From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 00:37:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB15bsv8032524 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB15bFhD069875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15bA4r058103; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:37:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15b9Tp058091 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t12so70060wxc for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Eg+2Wfw8HfCvj8ogdVcL2S9PwD6buROu7jNJvKjg/r3HRRnv9qyElDZfEX+VXv3dHZbrJwCMCr1yIFBltBtvf0qXctdF3DCFxEzQhOELbG4UoobkR+DkAkbx3CwCgToDoOz4dfgYuuSEhRpyjX+mgoqeU4AEiN8tkVa3xQtJ/LQ= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr656685qbn; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e14sm290465qbe.2005.11.30.21.37.08; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:37:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009d01c5f639$46735720$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At least the costumes look good in that one. Talking about the movie Geisha, of course... as I said to my bf tonight: "Well, if the only good things in the movie are costumes and sets, it'll still be worth watching!" I'm expecting eye-candy, but I'm not expecting accuracy - I don't think it would be realistic. They're having enough trouble as it is trying to reproduce our own ancestors, imagine trying to reproduce a culture so different from ours! -- and expecting to make money out of it. If I want to see nice Japanese movies... I'll just rent the Japanese ones... But I *still* like eye-candy, no matter how inaccurate :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 00:44:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB15i7Cv032647 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:44:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB15hZQu070533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15hYRp061330; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15hVum061303 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so94941wxc for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=L3A67PbfPduDjff4/B+g7kiioILvZaVKW1tBW3QxSAu0VIYv9GTs2Htupv7bOwbYbKFnBJxx93+Mpo10wem6YjXvG6hWxsygurVttPZnvIJN6LHpljcz67ln9+4gcNXLmO/cZOBN3F+nf/GijoBSH5kwW7nP1M7t7Ms/02Sx/OY= Received: by 10.64.232.11 with SMTP id e11mr643296qbh; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z21sm188231qbc.2005.11.30.21.43.31; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a801c5f63a$2a620490$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> 'Liz I preferred the big >>gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." > Other people react to that sort of outfit, too, not just the wearer. > Oh, I expect it's partly size, but it's also to do with obvious > complexity, near perfect tailoring, walking with dignity and killer > materials. Anybody on this list plays SCA in the East Kingdom? You know the... hmm... she's probably duchess now... Isabella? Those who've met her will know what I mean. Very tall, and imposing in "normal" clothing. Even when she's not playing SCA, she's probably the center of attention pretty often. First time I saw her, she was in full Elizabethan. All white, with a standing ruff and tons of pearls. Wow was she imposing. I took to moving away every time she came near, she was that intimidating. And... well... the clothing helps :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 02:30:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB17U5ZQ007694 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:30:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB17TS7L077149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB17TPcB007796; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB17TN9V007753 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120107291701300phe9me>; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:29:17 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:16 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:16 +0000 Message-Id: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] !5th Century coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" and the picture is on page 92; a pikeman is standing at the top of the page with a rust colored coat on. This is the first time I'm recreating a costume from a picture in a book. What I need to know is would the seam of the arm placed towards the back like many of the other clothes at that time? I'm going to have to make my own pattern for this coat - it's actually for my fiance' for Christmas. I have his measurements and a pattern made up for a similar piece that is form fitting. But wanted to be sure of the arm seam. Plus, I'm having problems determing how wide I need to make the whole sleeve - the sleeve in the picture is pretty loose. The pattern I have already; the sleeve is snug fitting with buttons from the wrist to the elbow. I hope that all made sense - insomnia is trying to get the best of me. :-) Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 05:41:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Af0mQ019867 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:41:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1AdY5o002383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1AdSLh097287; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1AdLHq097207 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:36:35 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:39:26 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <002701c5f663$80607f10$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2DMXjaLiQYC7vSNyrsVndIzenFQAVjHxg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 10:36:35.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A467EF0:01C5F663] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have absolutely no backing for this other than lots of dealing with typos, (which might in some ways parallel the early English spelling variations) but "counterfeit courtepy" might be counterfeit courtesy- i.e. fake clothing to look like one belongs? Re-use of cast-off livery to boost apparent status? Just my .000002 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Stephanie Smith wrote: > > Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils > > hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes > chescun ionr e nomement > > a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre > honour garder ne > > pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes > curtepies. > > "Command that your knights and see that your gentle > men wear your dress, that these same dresses be worn > by all during your meal and in your presence and to > maintain your honour they must not be old tabbards or > *soiled surcotes* a fake magpie(1) [would wear]" > > (1) uncertain "curtepies" might be the French plural of "courtepy," a type of surcote (Chaucer used the word in English, and there's a lot of overlap in English and French at this time). I don't know what a counterfeit courtepy would be. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 07:13:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1CDvOA006065 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1CDYJk019884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CDWm5049967; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CBDvA047707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0455100F3 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21875-02-37 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4765100F6 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:10:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <030c01c5f670$485afde0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a801c5f63a$2a620490$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet > > Very tall, and imposing in "normal" clothing. Even when she's not playing > SCA, she's probably the center of attention pretty often. > > First time I saw her, she was in full Elizabethan. All white, with a > standing ruff and tons of pearls. Wow was she imposing. I took to moving > away every time she came near, she was that intimidating. And... well... > the clothing helps :-) She is indeed lovely and imposing, although every time I have seen her she has been in Persian. I am in the process of making myself what I call my "Gown of Doom". Royal purple velvet Elizabethan, with pearls and cabochons all over it. I can't wait to finish it! (Lousy time to be moving, I want to SEW!!) Duabbe > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 07:32:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1CWjYc006459 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:32:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1CR5gN022621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CR15A057978; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1COA1s056486 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639FF3FE52 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb33.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4383ccfe.6fedf for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DjutqQkXLgAIAAAAB,5e2439896d20f972fc8623dc66abbcff Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20051201042410.BADEE6F3@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could you do the set-in sleeve *without* the epaulette, then make the epaulette separately and completely finish it, and then whip stitch it into place? That would certainly cut down on the layers within one seam. Joannah. snip --- Kimiko Small wrote: At 08:46 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's >been ages since I worked with the stuff. > >I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple >layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in >sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just >grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack >the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a >nasty squished mess. > >Got any hints? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes snip May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 08:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1DrScn008679 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1Dqg7A030760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Dqbug000442; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:52:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CC1nm048631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 28038 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 04:11:59 -0800 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust76.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO pericles) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 04:11:59 -0800 Message-ID: <002701c5f670$70f67fe0$6401a8c0@pericles> From: To: References: <200511301716.jAUHGBwt096944@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:12:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re:ironing/pressing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I've had good results ironing wool using a square of damp lightweight cotton over the top. I keep pieces of old sheets for the purpose. Also stops the fabric going shiny. I love ironing, especially linen! regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 08:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Dtc94008737 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1DtMEU030954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1DtMHD002072; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1DtHXW001958 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21c.452e9a3 (3699) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <21c.452e9a3.30c05abe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:55:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/30/2005 8:23:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: Can't you turn the seam allowance under for the elastic casing, and then leave that bit of the seam open when you sew the side seam? Lord, I hate people who just give negative reasons why such and such won't work, but, in this case, one of the garments has the little ruffle formed below the casing. The other has the casing at the edge but, in both cases, I plan to stitch the side seam and then serge it to finish it off. Also, the mother in Florida is sewing challenged and, if I leave it unfinished, I'm not sure it would get done. And the granddaughters have shown a desire in the past to put it on NOW, as soon as they see it. So I'll guesstimate from ready-made garments this time--I did find one garment with a puffed short sleeve that I could measure. By the way, one of the reasons I make clothes is that trying to shop for Christmas for Floridians here in Maryland is difficult. It's not THAT cold here in the winter, but everything seems to be long-sleeved, turtle-necked, or otherwise cold weather gear. Sometimes I do shop ahead in the summer (and hope they don't grow too much by December), or find things on the clearance racks. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:26:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1EQ0To009771 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EPTwl033185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EPQAB018819; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EPN9Q018742 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: <438F0866.4040409@msn.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:27:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <004001c5f603$b40bbc90$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <004001c5f603$b40bbc90$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 14:25:18.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DA54210:01C5F683] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet-beading pattern transfer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a fab idea! Sg > > > michaela wrote: This is also a really good way to transfer a beading pattern from one side to theother. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:42:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Egiv5010552 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EgCFe034742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EgAVf028945; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Eg628028852 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:42:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A28BFA2D for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:42:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:42:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <000601c5f5e9$ff737930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000601c5f5e9$ff737930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051201144200.B0A28BFA2D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I tried a bit of embroidery in knitting kotton no. 12 And I think I like it. Made a little sample http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/embroiderytest2.jpg Enlarged http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/embroiderytest3.jpg I find the DMC a bit to shiny But I will try it too. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Deredere, > I would buy a DMC cotton floss if i were you. Its stranded into 6 > threads. You can try to use one strand, two strands and 3 strands, and > deside wich you like! > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:40 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > > >> Hi, >> I am planning on making a regency gown. >> http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm >> And I have found the perfect cotton voile. >> >> But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. >> The discription says heavy white cotton thread. >> It looks not very tightly spun. >> Has anyone any idea what I could use? >> >> I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. >> There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my >> taste. >> Like the subtle smaller patterns better. >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:48:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1EmgsW010799 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EmMlW035296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EmLNw032908; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EmJaH032827 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:48:13 -0800 Message-ID: <438F0DC6.2020400@msn.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:50:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] !5th Century coat References: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 14:48:13.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[41A685D0:01C5F686] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any chance you could scan and post the picture (if you can scan it and send it to me, I can post it). I love construction challenges. Sg roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" and the picture is on page 92; a pikeman is standing at the top of the page with a rust colored coat on. This is the first time I'm recreating a costume from a picture in a book. > What I need to know is would the seam of the arm placed towards the back like many of the other clothes at that time? I'm going to have to make my own pattern for this coat - it's actually for my fiance' for Christmas. I have his measurements and a pattern made up for a similar piece that is form fitting. But wanted to be sure of the arm seam. Plus, I'm having problems determing how wide I need to make the whole sleeve - the sleeve in the picture is pretty loose. The pattern I have already; the sleeve is snug fitting with buttons from the wrist to the elbow. > I hope that all made sense - insomnia is trying to get the best of me. :-) > >Roscelin >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:59:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Ex8OP011591 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EvvcA036230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EvsJW038843; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1Evoen038701 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57183 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 14:56:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oh3XimOLcOj1aWdjdsq5/6YSOtMKLPh6q9V70yvaGdyG5Q0vYHV4oSVel8iIuHMhI80/7F0sZLwGSlqQTKvHCQAUMdYF5b9LNKjMGdLuQXbjnr7RBJrnMzGtxGnXShHkUkSnrQNkW2u/G+N1y0gImEDY5jpDA1ovOgY7WmnxOOk= ; Message-ID: <20051201145623.57180.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:56:23 PST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00a801c5f63a$2a620490$0302a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yep, I know who you mean and you're so right...Imposing is the correct word to describe Izzy :) Even my 6 yr. old, who is NOT intimidated by ANYONE, took a step back the first time she saw her in full regalia :) Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> 'Liz I preferred the big >>gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." > Other people react to that sort of outfit, too, not just the wearer. > Oh, I expect it's partly size, but it's also to do with obvious > complexity, near perfect tailoring, walking with dignity and killer > materials. Anybody on this list plays SCA in the East Kingdom? You know the... hmm... she's probably duchess now... Isabella? Those who've met her will know what I mean. Very tall, and imposing in "normal" clothing. Even when she's not playing SCA, she's probably the center of attention pretty often. First time I saw her, she was in full Elizabethan. All white, with a standing ruff and tons of pearls. Wow was she imposing. I took to moving away every time she came near, she was that intimidating. And... well... the clothing helps :-) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 10:18:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1FIdc5012290 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1FIGhS038852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FIC77053356; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FI3i5053220 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005120115175801500lidlle>; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:17:58 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:17:55 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Iron recommendation Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:17:55 +0000 Message-Id: <120120051517.9102.438F1423000A873A0000238E22092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've finally remembered to look at the brand of iron I got from Costco. It's Sunbeam. The linen and cotton settings are *awesome*. The iron has the auto off safety feature, but the warm up time to the high settings is super fast. And I really like the fact that I can choose to not have steam at the higher settings, for iron on stuff. So, now I have two great irons. One's for my costuming and the other is for my quilting. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* > ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) > and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. > > When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) > 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), > so it doesn't keep slipping out. > > I hope this helps! > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very > > lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie > > off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good > > solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an > > extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? > > > > Good luck, > > > > Theresa Eacker > > > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > > > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > > > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > > > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in > > Maryland, so > > > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > > > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > > > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > > > > > Ann Wass > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 10:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1FXE0u012684 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:33:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1FWk6l040376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWiSN064107; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWe2i064044 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21549 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:39 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:22 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX2BmzYDkkevPjyQuipH7Nilwm8SwAhSiWg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1FWe2i064044 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Camilla Townsend points this out in her biography of Pocahontas. The English viewed her as a princess, abeit a "savage" one. John Rolfe met a lot of criticism on the trip to England for marrying above his station in life, especially from no less than James I, that epitome of Divine Right and birthright. Townsend argues that the difference in status between Pocahontas/Matoaka as actually a daughter of lesser importance to Powhatan, and the English viewing her as royal, may have been one of the factors leading her to wed John Rolfe. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 10:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1FcQ7T012806 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:38:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1FWkuW040377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWivj064106; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWeX8064045 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21555 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:40 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:40 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX2ChzJPNukNqfpTZayH8OluqoZhQAf36Ag From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1FWeX8064045 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine in Omaha did the same-the little blurbs. Of course neither will be here well before Christmas. If you want a good preview of MOAG, try getting a look at Memoirs of a Geisha: Images from the Film. I got a used copy for $20 + ship and it is lovely eye candy. Using Chinese actresses for the female leads is the usual Hollywood thing--using "name" actors to get financing and pull in more viewers. Ziyi Zhang, Gong Li, and Michelle Yeoh are at least known names to financers and American audiences that are fans of movies like Croaching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero, and Raise the Red Lantern. The actresses that play young Chiyo and Pumpkin are Japanese. If you want strict accuracy on costume, makeup, and hairstyles, as always with movies set in previous times, check out the extras. And of course, in "The New World" Pocahontas can't go about accurately dressed and has to be at least teen-aged. It does look like the Powhatans will be treated with some accuracy and respect, while John Smith and Company will be seen as invaders. Nice change. For an excellent biography of Pocahontas and her people, check out "Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma" by Camilla Townsend. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 11:55:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1GtJhs020048 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1GsYXp051041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GsUxB031739; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GsPoi031582 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:54:20 -0800 Message-ID: <438F2B55.4010003@msn.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:56:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 16:54:20.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFBD0AD0:01C5F697] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I have been trying to set us up with a photo album at myphotoalbum.com What a PAIN IN THE YOU KNOW WHAT! I even bought a membership for us so we wouldn't have to deal with pop adds. (I am in the process of getting my money back). Does anyone have any other suggestions for a similar type of site? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 11:59:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1GxAML020558 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1GwShT051521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GwRRQ035203; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GwBHa035123 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DE8B1262813 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:58:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5f698$6a877010$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:58:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, Sorry if i posted this 2 times, but i have had problems with my emails. I would use a stranded cotton thread, DMC for instance wich is stranded into 6 strands. Then you could try to use as many strands at a time until you get the right "body" of your embroidery.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > Hi, > I am planning on making a regency gown. > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > > But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. > The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > It looks not very tightly spun. > Has anyone any idea what I could use? > > I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. > There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my > taste. > Like the subtle smaller patterns better. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 11:59:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1GxWId020605 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:59:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1Gx3wT051611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Gx3KG035806; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GwxlW035755 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so83963nzb for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=izvtGd1usRX4K5PVL6BUIhySQ7pVGutxKEDY+Lf5fr4HANHwIl4BLCBdXSQEAaLpxl6W6IpHIP8HbByO+IwNvyW6Cx8272pSPeS+JTu+O0suuKuAmZAilzl86eGU0bEl0FgGMacpTQXH13Dgu3UjaYWtOMg5NXGluaF3E8LcGy4= Received: by 10.65.189.16 with SMTP id r16mr947633qbp; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:58:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512010858s5a9a4907u31cdca3822a96b3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:58:58 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1GwxlW035755 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Smugmug.com An example of one of their albums is at ithaca.smugmug.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:09:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1H9RpQ021654 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1H3kSX052257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1H3iQ8039843; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:03:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1H3cu1039739 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4832C2628AD for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c5f699$2abc4d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth, Point ground lace. Bobbin lace made with a Tulle ground and motifs of flowers. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for > Hi everyone, I'm making a pair of engagentes for a c. 1860 gown and I'm > looking for some clues on what sort of lace I should use for the cuffs, > does anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on what > period lace looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. I'd > prefer an online resource, but if it's got to be a book I'll check the > libraries round about, my local public library has a surprisingly good > selection of costuming books and if that fails hopefully an Australian > author has written on the subject as then I'm guaranteed that the national > library will have a copy (Australian publishers are legally required to > give at least one copy of every book they publish to the national library) > Thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:10:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HAi6v021681 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HACLl053329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HAAEh045982; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HA5vw045885 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4051247FEFC for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:10:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006601c5f69a$17e0c490$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <003701c5f699$2abc4d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:10:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again, I got a little confused, do you mean lace for cufs or lace for engageantes? For cufs i would use a guipure lace. Engageantes you can use tulle ground lace. Guipure lace has more body and are more sturdy to make cuffs out of . Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for > Hi Elizabeth, > Point ground lace. Bobbin lace made with a Tulle ground and motifs of > flowers. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:20 AM > Subject: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for > > >> Hi everyone, I'm making a pair of engagentes for a c. 1860 gown and I'm >> looking for some clues on what sort of lace I should use for the cuffs, >> does anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on what >> period lace looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. I'd >> prefer an online resource, but if it's got to be a book I'll check the >> libraries round about, my local public library has a surprisingly good >> selection of costuming books and if that fails hopefully an Australian >> author has written on the subject as then I'm guaranteed that the >> national library will have a copy (Australian publishers are legally >> required to give at least one copy of every book they publish to the >> national library) >> Thanks >> Elizabeth >> -------------------------------------------- >> Elizabeth Walpole >> Canberra Australia >> ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >> http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HIC7n021841 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:18:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HHQic054378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HHO1A052343; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HHJOP052280 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0E9262834 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:17:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007201c5f69b$1b36d7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:17:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regency embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, I would buy a stranded cotton thread, like DMC. Its stranded into 6 strands. Then you can experiment with how many threads your embroidery want. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:19:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HJHjp021881 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:19:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HImGD054558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HIkx2053581; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HIgE5053528 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so383135wxc for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TcIZekORgrJx6H0mDFpzvZvaHdLGWiI4moIuB2K5zmZg1jBq4vkBYHodkrZkEWPw9/jEspsh4zh1bVh1NRXFY7Sb3GhFIHxN2Q6Ksx2JLE/24lo02p52lnXHPZs9gU+8lOs/h754C5zQQErhpjoxPVxb6M91S++9vlHJokcIeZ0= Received: by 10.70.129.8 with SMTP id b8mr2154908wxd; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.96.18 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:18:42 -0600 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1HIgE5053528 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use flickr.com Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:30:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HU0Ut022126 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:30:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HTRPX056240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HTMGh062927; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HTGjg062791 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so429825wxc for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gT44YfhgzL+VzfCsiTOxN21o0MuYasVn1pFHvgoAyg5QFLPR2BU39FoBWw84kzhMHNF3U0dSHI9FkP7fma6e79Y9YWqyjX6JEa79wYyJWjZYCdsB8CfxwSuLhK8VjGZoQA5UXCWr7FIfCLQwn2WFTmeSa27eW/Qymbvubfnry94= Received: by 10.70.50.19 with SMTP id x19mr1980950wxx; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.80.17 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:29:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:29:07 -0500 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB1HU0Ut022126 Status: RO I like photobucket.com but I haven't tried the others. -Irmgart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 13:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1IUk9Z023547 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1ITmWl064255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1ITcYn013673; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1ITU5B013492 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 51443 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 18:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 18:29:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201182624.01d2a480@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:28:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for In-Reply-To: <006601c5f69a$17e0c490$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <003701c5f699$2abc4d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006601c5f69a$17e0c490$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:10 01/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi again, >I got a little confused, do you mean lace for cufs or lace for engageantes? >For cufs i would use a guipure lace. Engageantes you can use tulle >ground lace. >Guipure lace has more body and are more sturdy to make cuffs out of . Many engageants I have seen are made of very fine white cotton with whitework embroidery, also known as Ayrshire work. Also seen a pair in all over broderie anglais. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 14:50:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1JoprS025492 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1JnOKH074275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1JnJTD083878; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1JnEY9083796 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i29so184451wxd for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:49:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qc6lkQctV1awyTyYbaqSwZWE4OBq9QICJyMX6GUPCn99cPMh10Pk1TpgbNZbiW6g6mu4U7um2TDqocnesGM1zczFeTXr40hxayPznSFD3qrDyg5APbj5TORG5kr9bEddcT4vXVTvEC+gUrxnNHhMF5LPeFKroLw407bhPruA4yk= Received: by 10.65.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr1081345qbm; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:49:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:13 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for In-Reply-To: <438E69AA.9050006@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <438E69AA.9050006@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB1JoprS025492 Status: RO > US publishers are also required to give free copies of every book to the > Library of Congress, at least if they get any cataloging data off the > LOC. But the LOC, being short of storage space, simply discards a great > many books, I don't know by what means. > > It means they put them on a shelf in the basement for a period of time. > They allow non-profit organizations to select any they can use. I was > allowed some for my Kingdom, using our non-profit status a few years ago. > They didn't have much at the time. Most of them were old copies of things > that had updated copies or well out of date. I don't know where they go from > there. > > -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 16:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1LdkWt028368 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1LcwQp089375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LclAr081166; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LcfOc081024 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 59432338F7 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:38:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:38:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20051201144200.B0A28BFA2D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO DMC carries lacing/tatting thread. 100% cotton. It is a 4-6 strand thread. Not shiny. If you loosen the twist, this would give you a smoother piece of embroidery if that is what you are wanting to achieve. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 18:03:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1N3JLS030263 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1N2c4D001073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1N2VVv056120; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51304.mail.yahoo.com (web51304.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1N2PcA055932 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37705 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 23:02:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bZZbwQ+0pO4wqKNxS0Ve/Kw7c/SE83FgNpIXERbRSZHZ62dqTo8vBOdkSkQuquUdkTenB5M6zh1la/svu5xO4fLUcmshKpavs7pi00QF1kBQKXTigHnft0Ct4usj3oQa0F5E0R0ZTt3s7Pk6IXOyQCV6/vZivtn9e5uGncZ799Q= ; Message-ID: <20051201230219.37703.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:02:19 PST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051201144200.B0A28BFA2D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cotton embroidery thread would not have been mercerized in the early nineteenth century; a British patent was granted to John Mercer in 1851. So, the cotton for your regency gown would be unmercerized; duller and not so strong. This may be difficult to find; the only source I have is the weaving store Webs http://www.yarn.com/ . Perhaps you may have a similar sort of store closer by you. Ann in CT > >> I am planning on making a regency gown. > >> > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > >> And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > >> > >> But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery > thread I should use. > >> The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > >> It looks not very tightly spun. > >> Deredere __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 18:07:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1N788K030391 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1N6eAs001634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1N6cpi059841; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1N6UJG059585 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27398 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 23:06:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=25zjowyw7fNf6tjcEmM3FY3SNkh+X9h8cSrxLTIR++oEb0xRFuo/8AYqjCiTts1m+2ANldqIJ2bUsslSX4uRq4kOxF68BB7vGeC0ColUSqBQrFaxM/2NC4LiEOHER94PHtHaVhFqpvvWP6c77oqqTHCTzq2TtEaKeyJoQFkzInA= ; Message-ID: <20051201230625.27396.qmail@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.138.134] by web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:06:25 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:06:25 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201182624.01d2a480@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dukes Leopards - new ebsite is now "live" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Suzi, you have I have exchanged occasional e-mails for a while, now; and I've learned a lot from your helpful comments to other questioners on the Lists to which we both subscribe. I thought you'd like to see some of what our Companie has managed to achieve since we had to reform hastily in early 2003, - after John Antill pulled-out in a tantrum, and left just 8 of us, with only our medieval clothes, and a very few weapons. Have a look at our new website at www.dukesleopards.org and see what you think. I thought you'd like to have a look at what we've been able to accomplish since John Antill pulled-out taking all his equipment with him. We now have over 40 Companions, 6 medieval tents, and have made ourselves a lot of equipment. Not bad for a group still lacking in sponsorship of any kind, most of whose members are either retirees or "blue-collar" workers, and nearly all "first-time re-enactors trying to climb a "steep learning-curve". The Site is still under development, - and as this is my first attempt at Site Design and layout - [the Programming was donated - a commercial CMS similar to "Joomla"] - critical comment will be welcome. Please make allowances for my lack of experience at this new Skillset, but everyone has to start somewhere - and at least our Company now has a "webpresence". I have included a "Links to Merchants" File, and taken the liberty of including your URL, since your work is generally held in such very high regard by the re-enactment community. I hope this does not offend you - I realise now I ought to have asked your permission first. If, on seeing the quality of what we display, as shown on our Website, you'd not care to have your name listed in the website, please tell me, accept my sincere apologies, and I'll remove your listing. Sincerely, Julian Wilson. Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 18:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Nlq7C031104 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:47:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1Nl09Y006333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Nkp4n094629; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1NkmFF094561 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so398028nzn for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:46:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=B4IA3YUlZsyhmxS4KMsenjQusO9eUNUkgUKEFcVScrDtkNtR05uqcattO5D3oQ/zThc3w869BzoZLVeNqPJ8fpRMxMav4LnT9cILCRLEzN8vY2tsJdlS4VgN1kwdwDRMJwWlSt1RQXVVuEyLdf94gIxnMJvCkQL9nRavvTA9bzM= Received: by 10.64.184.19 with SMTP id h19mr382663qbf; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:46:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512011546i305043c0qbd99817f0436b3b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:46:46 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: HCostume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1NkmFF094561 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks... I'm stumped and needing some help. My husband has a nice new dress shirt. But except for the neckline, which does fit, the rest of it resembles something ala Barnum and Bailey. This shirt is huge. How on earth do you approach taking 8 inches out of the waist and 4 inches out of the chest? Are we talking a total deconstruction job? Any help would be welcome. Thanks, Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 19:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB20KaOm031751 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB20Jxdj009820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20Jt0E018454; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB20JpsK018364 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50620 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 00:19:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X496pyRVJiJbIS4pd9wXdnt09a4eZn4+iKatR7TDg48fxCiGdrVTnsy94cc1vukqgvYxlhvNpjMnEBSuu9yM+cyGwNDWExy5uxEtK+8G763nj+oroGJUCB44ef6m16jqo9ZcMh8R18fpi34B+0hK5pYY3+HWYZDM8aJ6UHS6GnE= ; Message-ID: <20051202001945.50618.qmail@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.138.134] by web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:19:45 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:19:45 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Apologies - re-Duke's Leopards new website posting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sincere apologies to everyone for mis-posting that last message. It was intended to go "offlist" to Suzi Clark . So, to quote Lazarus Long, I "plead youth and inexperience, and long-and-faithful Service ". [Robert Heinlein] I prey you Pardon; and - as I do hope for Heaven - do trust that God shall move your hearts to Mercy concerning my Transgression. What more can I say? It's late, and I've had a loooong, hard day; and now I'm not-concentrating as well as I ought. Time to give-up and go to bed; - I have to be up at 0545 GMT, and I'm not as bright as I used to be, first-thing-in-the-mornings. Getting older really is "the pits". Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 19:40:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB20eAgr032067 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:40:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB20dkPH011493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20dhOl031331; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20deZC031245 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26b.13a258c (4539) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <26b.13a258c.30c0f1bd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:39:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maricelt@gmail.com writes: How on earth do you approach taking 8 inches out of the waist and 4 inches out of the chest? Are we talking a total deconstruction job? That is difficult, because altering the chest usually also means altering the armholes, and that is really difficult. You could, though, not only take in the sideseams, but also put front and back darts to help with the waist problem. {We used to have the opposite problem, "tapered" shirts, which had those darts, didn't fit the untapered menfolk in my family, so we had to steer clear of them.) I wonder if this oversized cut is part of the whole baggy clothes trend. Where did you buy the shirt? Maybe a more conservative menswear store might be a better choice? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 20:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB21PNiv000341 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:25:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB21NbC3015836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB21NV94058372; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:23:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB21NJsw058124 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:23:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051202012302015004de1ve>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:23:03 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:23:01 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:23:01 +0000 Message-Id: <120220050123.22826.438FA1F5000C1EED0000592A22068246939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sg, For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. Roscelin > Any chance you could scan and post the picture (if you can scan it and > send it to me, I can post it). I love construction challenges. > > Sg > > > roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > > I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" and > the picture is on page 92; a pikeman is standing at the top of the page with a > rust colored coat on. This is the first time I'm recreating a costume from a > picture in a book. > > What I need to know is would the seam of the arm placed towards the back like > many of the other clothes at that time? I'm going to have to make my own > pattern for this coat - it's actually for my fiance' for Christmas. I have his > measurements and a pattern made up for a similar piece that is form fitting. > But wanted to be sure of the arm seam. Plus, I'm having problems determing how > wide I need to make the whole sleeve - the sleeve in the picture is pretty > loose. The pattern I have already; the sleeve is snug fitting with buttons from > the wrist to the elbow. > > I hope that all made sense - insomnia is trying to get the best of me. :-) > > > >Roscelin > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 00:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB25t5MT004135 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB25sXOv039922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB25sTKo004174; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB25sOWr004114 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E91DD34BB1 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:54:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:54:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] need some input X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this portrait, what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 01:44:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB26iBAP004917 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:44:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB26hjwL043699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB26hflX028570; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB26hba5028507 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13589 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:10:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:10:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost nothing about periods after 15th c. What periods, if any, would these be suitable for: -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white -- silk noil I'm sure I'll find more; these are things that happen to be in my "use someday" boxes that I'm finally realizing I'll never have reason to use in my usual work. If I know what they're good for, I can perhaps make suitable gifts of them. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 02:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB27q3hb019452 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:52:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB27pTdR048269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB27pQCC059445; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB27pK6N059416 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F77734BA2 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:51:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:51:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) What is wrong with using these for medieval clothing? -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white Early tudor. One or more of the unicorn tapestries has a woman wearing what appears to be moire (the wood grain looking stuff) De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 03:45:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB28jOQ7002424 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:45:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB28j0iH051529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB28iwej086825; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB28iswv086791 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:44:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GPVAITySrY9Y+Uv5szJqG1eRNm0KCnwvgE33Lg2bd40BA3yfhNo/TIrXTlU9GT4C; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.125] (helo=boris) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ei6XF-00069j-R3 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c5f71c$bee71f50$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:45:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd485b9b898d78551ebbc691cc12fb4d6c95cd0c042b896368d8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.125 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've > bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval > clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be > useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost > nothing about periods after 15th c. > > What periods, if any, would these be suitable for: > > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) (snip) --Robin Oh, these would be great for early 17th cen. stuff. I've been amazed at the strong colors I've been turning up in paintings and written records. I've got a bright red dress jacket made up in linen and I'd like to get a petticoat done to match it, but didn't have enough fabric for that. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:04:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB294Ztk004890 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:04:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB293sCe052839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB293o39094754; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB293kup094688 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.23b.2aed3c8 (25098) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/05 8:48:38 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) Obviously depends on exact shades, but there's a version of hot pink that could be got in medieval times - and black, as everyone knows - just have to accept they're rich, and wouldn't have lasted that long. I'd guess it'd be the same with the others - not that you can't use them, just that you have to stop using before they look at all worn (not very likely if you're anything like me - my conquest chemise has just completed its tenth year of re-enactment ). failing that, later 19th c - post annyline (sp?) dye introduction - or got any goth friends - or a big vat of pre-dye? :o) > > -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) Fab for victorian > > -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably > rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white turn of the century (19th to 20th) - bang up to date! (rayon / viscose being manmade, not synthetic, (wood pulp or something - don't have the apparel textbooks to hand), and developed in the 1890s-ish) > > -- silk noil > um - bridal?? I've never really like noil, so not sure on this one. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:08:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB298cZn005226 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB298KIl053319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB298J0E097076; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB298Fgi097023 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CDD63262908 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:08:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002701c5f71f$f73798f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:08:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, To me i see that the embroidery on the portrait is made with 2 main colours. Yellow for flowers, green leaves and brown stems. If the stripes in your material is shot blue, i would also make the flowers that colour, and then make the rest of the embroidery like the original. My 2 cents Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: [h-cost] need some input >I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the > Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. > The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the > plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors > > http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm > > I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this > portrait, > what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29GrlW005902 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29GUQh053781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29GSUD002759; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB29GOg5002710 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43949 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 09:16:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZFg+qSd3LJo8VKqzwOTqvriNgA4uz3w/s4ffPePTZA0K1C/Oa+4uiBVnM/YshCKUlfr3g088Zh/F0gStWDGp0aUZQUDrxO6TvPZNuXvQsG+mahFS6v+xKRO+dCVuqhU1GWSQQAfKCC3dNtN/9bOqNROhCRYqShfe1h6YbSVNP2g= ; Message-ID: <20051202091619.43947.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:16:19 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:19 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sg I like fototopic.net - it's quite easy to organise and I've got loads of free space. 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Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:31:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29Vjma007956 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29VS3f056632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29VQtk009532; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29VNQL009494 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-183-44.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.183.44]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jB29SPdw028340 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:28:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051202032410.01d018d8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:26:24 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:10 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've >bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval >clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be >useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost >nothing about periods after 15th c. > >What periods, if any, would these be suitable for: >-- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) >--Robin I was thinking this would be great for 18th century. I believe in the discussion of quilted petticoats when I was looking for sources for glazed wool someone suggest glazed cotton instead. Certainly the colours would be suitable. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:36:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29a6P4009426 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29ZhLs057683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29ZiS5011264; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29ZdTN011191 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:35:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB29ZWC14680.; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:32 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:35:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:35:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apologies - re-Duke's Leopards new website posting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB29ZdTN011191 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No need to apologise, Julian - I'm sure we all enjoyed looking at your group's new website. Our music group is supposed to have one in preparation which, as Pepys used to say, I am "with child" to see! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> smnco37@yahoo.co.uk 02/12/2005 00:19 >>> Sincere apologies to everyone for mis-posting that last message. It was intended to go "offlist" to Suzi Clark . So, to quote Lazarus Long, I "plead youth and inexperience, and long-and-faithful Service ". [Robert Heinlein] I prey you Pardon; and - as I do hope for Heaven - do trust that God shall move your hearts to Mercy concerning my Transgression. What more can I say? It's late, and I've had a loooong, hard day; and now I'm not-concentrating as well as I ought. Time to give-up and go to bed; - I have to be up at 0545 GMT, and I'm not as bright as I used to be, first-thing-in-the-mornings. Getting older really is "the pits". Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" [Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War" ] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only mediæval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] Meet us at "> [input] - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29bmGs009846 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29bZcT058123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29bY69012120; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29bQO3012064 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14955 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright > red, black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > > What is wrong with using these for medieval clothing? Hmm, I guess it's been a while since this came up on the list. In very very brief (without rehearsing all the lengthy discussion), the available evidence strongly suggests that linen was not generally used for the outer layer of gowns (i.e. the fashion fabric). It shows up in documentary and archaeological evidence for many other things: (undyed) for chemises, shirts, and other body linens, as well as veils and aprons; (occasionally dyed?) for clothing linings; (again undyed) for a huge variety of household uses, such as bed linens, table linens, towels, plus (coarser) wrapping, sacking, sails, etc. I believe there's also evidence for some specialized occupational garments made of heavy linen, probably undyed, such as warriors' gambesons. And certainly some ecclesiastical garments were done of linen. However, I have yet to find a reliable reference to a colored linen gown/tunic/surcote/etc. from medieval Western Europe. This preference would be consistent with the assumption that period linens were unlikely to take period dyes with much depth/permanency, and colors were preferred in gowns. Before anyone starts sending me counterexamples: Note that I am *not* using an SCA definition of "medieval." My own work is strictly 11th to mid-15th c. (and mostly 13th/14th c.). I realize there are ample references from the later 16th c. to linen garments (other than body linens) -- that's not what I'm talking about. The economics and methods involved in clothing construction were very different in the Elizabethan era! I also would not be surprised if linen were used for garments in medieval Italy and/or Spain, which were warmer in climate, enjoyed more influences from the East and South, and had a rather different range of garment styles and construction approaches. However, those countries fall outside of my field of inquiry. There would still be the color issue (which perhaps accounts for the greater abundance of pastel shades in clothing depicted in Italian art, but that's simply a musing at this point). I am told that while people using medieval dye recipes today may have success in getting strong, durable colors in modern linen, this reflects the use of certain modern fiber treatments that make modern linen more amenable to dyeing. I am inclined to trust the fiber experts I know who say that period linens, lacking these treatments, would not have been so willing to accept and retain dye. And while there are extant examples of dyed linens, they seem to be used in places that do not get much light exposure (e.g. linings). I'm not absolutely wed to this argument, but I've been keeping an eye out for evidence to the contrary for the last decade or so, and haven't seen anything that strongly counters this hypothesis. On the other hand, there is an abundance of evidence for wool as the default fiber for the fashion layer of gowns/tunics/surcotes of all classes, as well as silk for the wealthy. So if I do eventually find a good reference for a linen garment, it would simply indicate that this is a highly rare, not typical, usage. So: I'm not saying linen was never used for body garments. But it does appear that it was not at all typical. And unless I find good reason to think that it was more than vanishingly rare, I don't want to use it for my work. (My main purpose in making medieval clothing is to test and then demonstrate construction methods, meaning I need to approximate the most likely/typical materials.) I realize that many re-enactors routinely recommend linen for garments, but I think this is a misreading based simply on the fact that linen was one of the two dominant fibers available at this time. Not all fibers were used for all purposes; they have different properties and were used in a specialized fashion. A lot of re-enactors also assume that wool = hot, so linen must have been the default for summer, and should be used for re-enactment in the generally warmer temperatures of modern America. I don't find this to be a valid argument for a variety of reasons (chiefly that a wool garment doesn't have to be hot!), but it's a common one. (Now: PLEASE don't anyone go saying "Robin Netherton says they never used linen in period!" As I've tried to make clear, I'm talking about a specific sort of use, of a specific kind of linen, in a specific region, in a specific time period. Funny how these sorts of nuances get lost when people go repeating things, and it comes back to me months or years later that I've said something was always/never done, without any of those carefully stated qualifications!) > -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, > probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white > > Early tudor. One or more of the unicorn tapestries has a woman wearing > what appears to be moire (the wood grain looking stuff) The moire-looking fabric there is actually watered silk, which has a puddle-ripple sort of design made from allowing water to pool on the silk; it's a rather different sort of look, and made by a different method. (When I did a display piece based on this, I actually found a damask with a woven pattern in that sort of shape; not the right texture, but the right visual effect!) It's true, though, that anyone happy enough with rayon satin probably isn't going to fuss about the shape of the pattern. But I am wondering when the wood-grain version, which is created by pressing the pattern into the surface of the fabric, was introduced. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 06:43:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2BhRjA008258 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:43:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2BgsXp078412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2BgkHt068102; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2BggcU068073 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 642855EE0AD for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:42:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 magic nuts?' This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe fashions two. Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 07:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2C5exQ011699 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2C56s1079816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2C53Jd077572; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2C4wmp077511 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so75790wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:04:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qdi+3BLF80AJPpcNE5jg7fgZPLRneZBpHoLSRSID+ut5rcCxKvPfDXnkulSdBQ8Fvx2irQcKIR5/jTlazFy9eBA1//EaW3a9CTgZuAxtR28jgQdb/F0MBF1bnNEMdnH6hpleWe5ru3Fv1say12osorwKdTMp+KHXjKaVVjnkCL0= Received: by 10.64.196.9 with SMTP id t9mr1416946qbf; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:04:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512020404n64017aa5lbdb408a0a13453f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:04:58 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt In-Reply-To: <26b.13a258c.30c0f1bd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <26b.13a258c.30c0f1bd@aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2C4wmp077511 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Ann... I was afraid of that. dang. The shirt was a gift, but a tag said JoS Banks I think. Yeah, Mike - my husband, is a weight lifter and has over the years developed a very inverted pyramid shape. He's got a 19" neck, so I think the buyers just went by the neck and arm, and certainly didn't get a tapered cut, hence the tentage. I'm afraid the shirt is going to get regifted... Thanks for the reply. Mari / Bridgette On 12/1/05, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maricelt@gmail.com writes: > > How on earth do you approach taking 8 inches out of the waist and 4 > inches out of the chest? Are we talking a total deconstruction job? > > > That is difficult, because altering the chest usually also means altering > the armholes, and that is really difficult. You could, though, not only take > in the sideseams, but also put front and back darts to help with the waist > problem. {We used to have the opposite problem, "tapered" shirts, which had > those darts, didn't fit the untapered menfolk in my family, so we had to steer > clear of them.) I wonder if this oversized cut is part of the whole baggy > clothes trend. Where did you buy the shirt? Maybe a more conservative menswear > store might be a better choice? > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 07:46:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2CkQiF012567 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:46:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2CjwW1082895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2CjqeC095151; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2CjmQj095088 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:45:44 -0800 Message-ID: <43904293.7080202@msn.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:48:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 12:45:44.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F560E40:01C5F73E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." Is it on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story " It is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the 1940's in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net stockings! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the > 3 magic nuts?' > This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the > costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch > of eastern europe fashions two. > Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood > when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, > strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 08:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2DvXrI013793 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Dup1G088844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DulkQ029813; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DuicM029793 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E0F534B9E for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:56:43 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:56:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm am not sure if it was the same movie but I remember a Cinderella type movie where Cinderella had shot down three magic nuts/acorns. Breaking a nut off from the cluster, would make a wish and then throw it over her should. The first wish was for archer's clothing. This was years ago on a program similar to "Kookla, Fran and Ollie" De -----Original Message----- Hi, Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 magic nuts?' This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe fashions two. Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:07:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2E7EuO013971 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2E6sxU089948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2E6qeR035238; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2E6kDR035190 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71C2E34BAE for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:06:46 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:06:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about an applique design on a Victorian or Edwardian gown? De -----Original Message----- > > -- silk noil > um - bridal?? I've never really like noil, so not sure on this one. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EHAOB014158 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EGpdm090874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EGnwd040651; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EGkLt040563 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b8.1338640 (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2b8.1338640.30c1b143@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: That is difficult, because altering the chest usually also means altering the armholes, Yeah...how are the armholes? Look at the construction. I'll bet the sleeve seam and the side seams were sewn last and at once. [Flat fell seams?] 4" is just 2" a side seam, which is 1" on the front piece and 1" on the back piece. IOW, if you fold the shirt on the side seam and come in 1"...and do that on both sides, you've got your chest prob solved...but you'll need to taper that pinch out to nothing in the sleeve seam. If there's oodles of room in the upper sleeve, you're OK. And then, like already suggested, 2 banana darts either side of CB that take up 1" at waist level and taper away to nothing quickly [like a 1970s shirt] will do the extra you want out of the waist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:26:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EQBsf014345 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:26:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EPsFb091664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EPqrs045685; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav6.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EPn2b045659 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.238.214.147 by BAY108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:25:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.238.214.147] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:25:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 14:25:49.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A957090:01C5F74C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] waxed canvas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2EQBsf014345 Status: RO Several years ago on a trip to England, I purchased a waxed canvas rain hat. Not only is it very cute, but has had a lot of use, as I live on an island where motor vehicles are prohibited and I bicycle or walk to work, rain or shine. However, it seems to be in need of "recoating" as it is starting to absorb rather than repel the rain, does anyone know what type of product I could use to renew it's rain repelling ability? Thanks, Kelly www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:28:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EStuX014385 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:28:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2ESWTU091957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ESWOn047202; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ESUeD047187 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so613704wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eYbFqy6G9HtADxMorD1dt0bIcgxVHd+DVHX70oZQTe6FYHezl+NOAlBcerd3Qweyl6UUCDoFT27SNZ4rKMacE3jUoUuu1QCsVFPU4x1MPaAI0i0/edfFjEZl2BEbB/qiKcxOv7amrtgO0TgcZp5aUKB2Sfh/26MIEpBSH+M5vwY= Received: by 10.64.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr1493601qbf; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:28:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512020628x5915824fr1dac1536e8544b44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:28:29 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt In-Reply-To: <2b8.1338640.30c1b143@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <2b8.1338640.30c1b143@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2ESUeD047187 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brilliant! I'll go look. Thanks! > Yeah...how are the armholes? > > Look at the construction. I'll bet the sleeve seam and the side seams were > sewn last and at once. [Flat fell seams?] 4" is just 2" a side seam, which is > 1" on the front piece and 1" on the back piece. IOW, if you fold the shirt on > the side seam and come in 1"...and do that on both sides, you've got your > chest prob solved...but you'll need to taper that pinch out to nothing in the > sleeve seam. If there's oodles of room in the upper sleeve, you're OK. > > And then, like already suggested, 2 banana darts either side of CB that take > up 1" at waist level and taper away to nothing quickly [like a 1970s shirt] > will do the extra you want out of the waist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EVn2L014442 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EVMhT092268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EVK3B048900; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EVGxn048863 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m131.in-tch.com [216.166.191.131]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB2ENek05906 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:23:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002401c5f74d$fdbea780$83bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:37:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the thing is, with the dyed linens, that there's not a lot out there supporting the existence of *dyed* *linens.* Dyed fabrics, yes, but not linens. Linens, yes, but not dyed. ;o) At least, not in the part of the world/time most often explored in the SCA. Really don't know much about the uses of colored linens after the introduction of coal-based dyes. (19th century, right?) That said, though, a lot of enthusiasts in my crowd use it as a reasonable alternative to wools for summer garb. Wool can be really hard for us to find at all (weird, considering the winter climate here), let alone in summer-appropriate weights, as we get temps unheardof in England or Ireland or some parts of Continental Europe. So linen shows up used for cottes or gowns or jackets or tunics or.... --Sue in snowy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 > In a message dated 12/2/05 8:48:38 AM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > > Obviously depends on exact shades, but there's a version of hot pink that > could be got in medieval times - and black, as everyone knows - just have to > accept they're rich, and wouldn't have lasted that long. I'd guess it'd be the > same with the others - not that you can't use them, just that you have to stop > using before they look at all worn (not very likely if you're anything like me > - my conquest chemise has just completed its tenth year of e-enactment ). > failing that, later 19th c - post annyline (sp?) dye introduction - or got > any goth friends - or a big vat of pre-dye? :o) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:36:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EaTua014537 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:36:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EZsNj092603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EZsR0051395; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EZnir051301 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.270.12ca316 (48552) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <270.12ca316.30c1b5bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2005 7:24:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Look at the construction. I'll bet the sleeve seam and the side seams were sewn last and at once. [Flat fell seams?] 4" is just 2" a side seam, which is 1" on the front piece and 1" on the back piece. IOW, if you fold the shirt on the side seam and come in 1"...and do that on both sides, you've got your chest prob solved...but you'll need to taper that pinch out to nothing in the sleeve seam. If there's oodles of room in the upper sleeve, you're OK. He's right, you know. Having tailored many a dress shirt for a boyfriend in the day, The last seam on the body of the shirt is always the underarm. If it really is a finely tailored shirt, it may be difficult to pick out all of the flat-felling, although most of it can just be cut away and replaced by a new flat-felled seam, save that which is near the cuff. Generally, in well-tailored shirts, the stitch size is miniscule in the flat-felled seams, which makes for a long life for the shirt. Also, the flat-felling in the armhole is a pain to do, although, again, you will only be doing the underarm. This seam is normally sewn and felled before the underarm, making in easier to accomplish and since you are taking in the underarm seam and the sleeve has already been set in the body, it will be trickier, although not impossible, especially if your machine has a free arm. Cheryl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 10:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2FOj6A015403 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:24:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2FKXlv097525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2FKP8T079226; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2FKLgn079077 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 38820113 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:36:36 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:20:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5f753$fd5f3ab0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2FKLgn079077 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's called Three Wishes For Cinderella (Tri Orísky pro Popelku), made in Czechoslovakia in 1973. You can get it from Amazon.com Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:43 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Hi, Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 magic nuts?' This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe fashions two. Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 11:29:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2GTwL4016749 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:29:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2GTIdI006176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2GT7T0029497; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2GSojW029389 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m145.in-tch.com [216.166.191.145]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB2GLDk07692 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:21:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003501c5f75e$69f24a00$91bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical development of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm guessing that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the simpler ones that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the top of my head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle ages/renaissance that I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on bushes/lawns, or else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped over them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as laundry goes. A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were developed by the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the 19th century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify it.... Thanks, Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 12:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2H12VZ017392 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:01:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2H06Ab009766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2H02QQ055190; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2GxvH5055081 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 31650 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 08:58:57 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31636, pid: 31639, t: 3.0482s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 08:58:54 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051202085728.030d3d90@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:59:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] waxed canvas In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:25 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >Several years ago on a trip to England, I purchased a waxed canvas >rain hat. Not only is it very cute, but has had a lot of use, as I >live on an island where motor vehicles are prohibited and I bicycle >or walk to work, rain or shine. However, it seems to be in need of >"recoating" as it is starting to absorb rather than repel the rain, >does anyone know what type of product I could use to renew it's rain >repelling ability? >Thanks, >Kelly >www.backwardglances.net Where exactly are you? If you have access to an REI or other sporting goods company, check into their weatherproofing products. You might not want something that is used on boots :-D, but I'll wager that there is something for canvas tents or wet weather gear that might work. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 12:05:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2H5IMH017493 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:05:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2H4V1X010310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2H4MHH058767; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2H4CDB058518 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3A9U4AHTHZJA for (sender ); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LA8VVP82; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:02:56 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:01:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Message-ID: <20051202.110142.-106500423.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-10,12-43 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 16:8:1006758956 X-MAIL-INFO: 2c89691c69c59ca1c59c0dac9c0d31189da9d8ecddf8a9b5d1e5dd71b579c1dcb591f1618901894d8c0de89c89ac X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77Vk/WiSEqZwB3k4Nsr9x3FIulBEyZnyjw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you do a Google search on clothespins and Shakers you will see that the clothespin is frequently attributed to Shaker innovation. The Shakers were responsible for a number of things that we consider commonplace today such as flat brooms, an early version of the circular saw, and paper seed packets. Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical > development > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > guessing > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the > simpler ones > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the > top of my > head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle > ages/renaissance that > I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on > bushes/lawns, or > else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped > over > them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as > laundry > goes. > A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were > developed by > the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the > 19th > century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify > it.... > Thanks, > Sue in Montana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 12:58:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2HwicM018764 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2HwBvm017116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Hw1L1004028; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2HvnNQ003812 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so140162wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:57:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LtZy0ACcXCw9jZpoWpabhE7odCgVg8IDjytNRvTb7oEYzmvKW8kJTYRBuKy/obNc+UJFw6+wXnp6hlqWmkpcq2X7R1dmpxaq1AbPkDp2a0glQvjPCzmXygdhhDDHIQjW5BCmPcDGjV2g90hz7anW5MBQugM+88OE0XAZ750yHVI= Received: by 10.65.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr1633640qbm; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:39:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:39:58 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2HwicM018764 Status: RO I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen tunic for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems before (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month doing run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the woolly one also by hand. I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich might leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would probably be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 13:20:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2IKhUM019384 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2IJx14019885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2IJhkC022826; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2IJVf1022557 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70006 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 18:19:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RfxzDmxZZR5kRu1UEJCna97Wy7+meTCb2fzlIPgZcgn6tubJ2ioBBLmrW6FCOt9+eobmj6bvJsiDvQAmXeefczwRNdAvxdfL6udpmbmon1/H62yyAPH7B9rv/cO11zkXVUlzUrGVUiqEEr3R0IeKdkaf7dYGj0fG6nmBm9rdQ1Y= ; Message-ID: <20051202181925.70004.qmail@web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.138.134] by web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:19:25 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:19:25 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] waxed canvas To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kelly, snap - I have just-such a rain hat. Waxed Cooton jackets and coats became something of a fashion item in the UK about 15-20 years' back as I recall. At the same time as "green Wellies", if memory serves. Most of the manufacturers of such garments - [and the most famous in the World must surely be the Australian Stockman's "riding Coat" referred to as a "Driza" - short for "dry as a bone", and almost unchanged in design and manufacturing for over a century ] - sell their own proprietary "dressings for when their garments need re-proofing. Other examples of Makers, "Burberry" have their own Line of waxed cotton / linen / canvas jackets, raincoats, and hats, - as, I believe, do "Peter Storm". Now, I don't know what the Merchants are like in your home area - but in England, you can find wax-reproofing preparations for this job in "The Scout Shops"; also in shops which sell equestrian equipment and clothing; and in such "camping / outdoor-equipment suppliers as "Millets" and "Field & Trek". I have a "Driza" - and the last time I reproofed it, I used a wax-reproofing liquid which I bought in our local Branch of "Millets", here in the Island of Iersey. So far as my "kitchen chemistry goes, - all such preparations carry wax dissolved in a liquid "vehicle" - which dries-out or evaporates after you've brushed or sprayed it onto the garment, leaving the wax behind in the fabric to repel the rain.. Regards Julian Wilson KELLY wrote: Several years ago on a trip to England, I purchased a waxed canvas rain hat. Not only is it very cute, but has had a lot of use, as I live on an island where motor vehicles are prohibited and I bicycle or walk to work, rain or shine. However, it seems to be in need of "recoating" as it is starting to absorb rather than repel the rain, does anyone know what type of product I could use to renew it's rain repelling ability? Thanks, Kelly www.backwardglances.net Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Check out the competition now _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:29:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2JTFeQ021114 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:29:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2JSbLX028149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JSULh079621; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JRWqb078736 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:27:21 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:27:06 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO None of the linen is period at all. You can send it to me :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:55:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Jtn8r021823 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2JtYf6031612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JtSJn001010; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JtM6j000903 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A681AF for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EE7940 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Thread-Index: AcX3c8327V9l4ZiRRZ2Q22AO1jZpfwABZMkA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 19:55:16.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[50E605D0:01C5F77A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2JtM6j000903 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've done both running stitch finishes on wool and whip stitch finishes on wool (also taken from looking things up in the Museum of London books :-) ). Here are my thoughts: 1) The running stitch definitely shows on the outside, but it's rather decorative, actually (and is kinda fun, to show off to other people who recognize the research :-) ). It's also rather interesting how much stronger the seam feels after you add the running stitch. 2 of the garments I've applied this too were rather bulky wools, and had some areas with many seams meeting/crossing -- the running stitch actually does a lot to reduce the bulk in those areas. 2) The whip stitch just fades into the fabric if you don't take big stitches though the outside layer. I use the whip stitch for my hems 'cause of this. If you want unobtrusive, this is actually a good one. Afraid I haven't tried any of the other options. -sunny > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:39:58 +0000 > From: Caroline > Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th > century woollen tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig > zag and do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand > sewn hems before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent > a month doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two > parallel lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the > whip stich might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam > would probably > be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Ju6Hp021830 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:56:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Jt2TC031561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Jsvul000607; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JsnLL000467 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 03C7E17A4FE; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:55:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.3]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DA47D17A123 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03cd01c5f77a$1bbba400$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:53:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet (I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part of the puzzle: Segreti per Colori, mid 15thC latinized Italian: --To make a green and red and purple dye for dyeing bones, cloth, thread, and whatever you like, &c. --Take as much as you like of strong white vinegar, and put it in a glazed vase, and add to it scales of copper and copper-filings of a good red colour, Roman vitriol, roche alum, and a little verdigris; let everything be well ground and mixed with the vinegar, and let it remain so for 7 or 8 days and nights, and this vinegar becomes a good green tint for dyeing silk, bones, ***linen*** cloth, and other things as well as for painting. And if in this liquor you put bones raw or boiled, and boil them and let them remain in the liquor for the space of a month, they will become green for ever. And note that scales of copper make the best tint when fresh beaten. In the same manner things may be dyed red and crimson, using vermilion or minium or verzino, and put whatever you wish to dye into the liquor, and it will dye it well. The same can be done in yellow, using orpiment and proceeding as before directed; and, if you like, you may put urine instead of vinegar. Allerley Mackel, Mainz 1532 by Peter Jordani --To dye yarn and linen cloth blue Take the black dwarf elder berries, dry them in the sun and soak them in vinegar for 12 hours. Squeeze them with your hands, strain them and press it through a cloth. Put ground verdegris and alum therein. If the color should turn out light blue then add more verdegris. Lay the yarn or the linen cloth therein. Or take blue bilberries, pour water thereon, let it soak for three or four days, put alum therein and boil it well together. --To dye yarn and linen cloth brown Take a pound of wild saffron and put it in a bag. Lay it a day and a night in flowing water; thereafter wash it until no more yellow color comes from it. Take then a pot and lay a layer of saffron therein which is not too thick. Strew thereon finely ground weyd ashes then again a layer of saffron and again weyd ashes, etc. Cover or stop it up well, and let it stand for seven hours. Take then eight mass of water, four mass vinegar and put the saffron and ashes in a pointed lye sack (long, pointed sack?). Let the warm water and vinegar run through 15 times, and this will be the last dye. Again take the same amount of water and vinegar, let it run through as before, and this is the second dye. Do it a third time, and this will be the first dye. Take this dye and warm it, and let the yarn lie therein for a night. Hang it up once its wrung out. Do the same with the second dye, and in the third let it lie for seven hours. The Secretes of the Reverend Maister Alexis of Piemont, 1580 --To dye threede, yarne, or linnen cloth into a sad browne. Take a pounde of bastrde Saffron, the which you shall put into a little bagge, and hang it in ryuer water a day and a night. Then washe it so muche, that it geue no more yellowe coloure: this done, make a ranke of Saffron ina potte not too thicke, then a rew of Saffron, and a rew of ashes, and couer it well, and let it stande seuen or eyght houres: then take eyghte pottes of water, four pottes of Vineger, and putting the Saffron with the ashes in a long bagge and sharpe pointed at the ende: strayne xv or xvi tymes the sayde water & Vineger thorowe it hote. And this is the last dying or coloure. Then take agayne as muche water and Vineger, & strayne it thorowe, and this shalbe the seconde dying. Do the lyke the thirde tyme, and it shalbe the thirde dying. This colour you shall heate, and lay your threede or linnen clothe in it, the space of a nyghte, then hang it up without wringing or rubbing it. Doo in like manner with the seconde coloure and with the thyrde, but let it lye in it seuen houres long. --To dye threede or linnen cloth blewe. Take the berries of Ebulus, very rype, and well dryed in the Sunne, laye them in Vineger, xii houres, then rubbe them with your hande, and strayne them throwe a linnen cloth, putting to them some Verdet bruised, and Alome alone. Yf the blewe be to be cleare put more Verdet to it, and lay your threede or linnen cloth in it. A Profitable Booke, translated 1605 from T Bouck va Wondre, 1586 --How to dye linnen or thread redde. As when ye will dye any Linnen or thread redde, yee shall take one pound of samfleure, and let it soke halfe a day and a night in water milke warme, then put it into a thicke bagge or sacke, and therein wash and rince it in the riuer till the bagge be therewith red, then wring the water well forth, and so take out your samfleure, and spread it uppon a faire bord or Table and make (as it were) a little thinne bedde thereof, then strew thereon of white ashes, in making beddes of your Samfleure, and when ye haue strewed them with ashes, ye shall take to one pound of Samfleure, a quarter of a pound of ashes, which ashes must be burnt and made of the lyes of white Wine, and it must be wel chaft betwixt your handes, the one against the other, then make thereof a small heape, and so let it rest the space of fiue houres. Then shal yee rubbe it againe til it ware warme, then haue readie a faire bason, and sette it under your stuffe, that it may runne therein, and also wring out the iuyce thereof into the sayd bason. Then cast therein a pinte of wine vinegar that is verie good, then yee may put therein a pounde of yarne, and it shal doe wel. But to dye your Linnen cloth, ye shall put it in before your yarne or fustian. Then lay it therein a day and a night, then take forth your linnen or yarne, and then put therein a gallon of ashes of the Ashe tree, and thereunto your linnen, yarne or fustian, and so let it lye therein halfe an houre, then take it out and wring it as well as you can, then by and by hang it in the sunne, then take that water that ye soked first your Samfleure in, and strayne it (as aforesayd) into the bason unto the other colour, then put therein a glasse full of Vinegar, and then you may put therein your yarne, fustian, or linnen cloth, and doe thereunto as is aforesayd. --Another way to dye Linnen in a faire rose To dye a faire redde Rose colour of Linnen, yee shall take to euerie iiii yards and a halfe of Linnen, half a li. of good gall nots, and seeth them in faire water all whole, the space of 2. Houres. Then take it from the fire, & poure that water into another vessell or fatte, then put your linnen into the sayd water, and let it soke therein the space of foure houres, then take it forth and wring the licour well forth. Then take faire water in a kettle, and set it on the fire, and put therein a quarter of a pound of Allom, and when it is readie to seeth, take it from the fire, and put your cloth therein as soone as ye haue wrung and strayned out your gals aforesayde, but lette it drie a night before first, and then turne it well therein the space of a quarter of an houre. So take it forth and wring it well, & then seeth two ounces of Brasill in faire water, the space of two houres, then take that from the fire, and hange another kettle ouer the fire, and put therein gruys water, so warme it a little, and cast therin two li. of grening wede, then put your linnen cloth therein, and looke that no Allom haue beene in that water. Then let it lye therin halfe an houre, and stirre it wel with a staffe and then take out therof the said linnen, ye may then cast away the same liquor, and wash your kettle cleane, and put therein of the clearest brasill water, and let it wel colour therein. Then take your Linnen and wash it wel in faire water, then take of faire water in a panne, with a little Allom and so seeth them both together: and therein seeth your linnen cloth fiue or sixe Pater noster whiles. Then take out the sayd cloth and wring it well, and after that put the sayd cloth into the kettle of brasill water and therin ye shal turne and winde it wel, the space of a quarter of an houre, then take it forth and wring it a little, and in like wise you shall do with the dying of fustian, but unto your fustian you must haue two parts more of Verdigreace and Allom, and that your fustian must lye therin halfe a day and a night, then wring it forth, and let it drie, then after yee may rayse his cotton with cardes meete for that purpose: if ye will haue your Linnen more fairer, cast into the kettle with your said brasill, some lye made of white Lime, then put your cloth therein, then turne and wind it therein the space of foure pater nosters, and then take it forth thereof, and wring it well, and so hange it up to drie. --To dye faire linnen with brasill. Ye shall take faire water, and heate it ouer the fire, then shall ye haue the powder of galles, and put thereof into the Kettle ouer the fire, and so let it seeth a quarter of an hower: then take it from the fire, and take another vessell and put therein so much cold water, as of the other in the kettle, and put that hote in the Kettle thereunto. Then put your cloth therein, and stirre it well up and downe therein, and as ye haue done so a while, then let it lye therein foure houres long in that gall water, then take your kettle againe with other faire water, and set it ouer the fire and make it hote, then put allom therein to the Kettle ouer the fire, and as that water is hot, and the allom melted, yee must then haue another vessell or fatte with cold water, as much as of the other hote water, and put the Allom water therein, then put your cloth therein, and stirre it as aforesayd, and so let it then lye therein foure houres long, so done, then yee shall wring it out and hange it to drie, or to drie in the ayre, but let it not bee too drie. Then shall ye take your brasill made in powder, and put it in the panne, and so let it seeth therein, the quarter of an houre, and before that brasill doe seeth, ye shall take wheat flower, & put therein, mixe it all together well in a dish, and put it into the kettle before it doe seeth: thus done, let it seeth, and as it hath sod, then take forth so much of the brasil, as ye may put in your cloth, and stirre it well about, as is afore declared, thus done, let your cloth rest therein a good while, then wring it forth, and hang it to dry, & as it is dry, ye shall take that liquor that it hath layne in, and put that away, then take againe so much brasill as before, and put that cloth therein againe, and then hange it to drie, and as it is drie, then put it in another licor, and hang it againe to drie, and then it is full done. And to know the quantitie of weight, which is, to euerie elle of linnen cloth, ye shall take a loot of gall powder so called in Dutch, & as much of allom, and to each elle of cloth one ounce of brasill. --A faire linnen cloth to dye blewe. For to dye a faire blew, ye shal take a pan of faire water, and hang it ouer the fire, & let it be seething hot, then must ye haue a vessell of halfe an Ame, so cald in dutch, or thereabout, & as your licor is hot, put thereto 3 pound of wheat bran, & 3 pound of ashes, and a pound of greening weede, stir all this in the pan, & let it seeth 3 or 4 paternosters long, then take of floray under halfe a pound, & soke it in faire water, & let it there rest a quarter of an houre couered, then take your clean vessel or Ame, & therein put your soked floray, then take the hot licor ouer the fire, but let it coole ere ye put it into the fatte, then put it in and stirre it well, & so couer it wel and close, and let it so rest sixe houres long, then uncouer it & stirre it well about a good while, then couer it close againe, & let it rest other vi houres, then uncouer it & stir it as before, & so stop it again, then uncouer it within 2 or 3 houres, and looke if the die begin to come, or begin to wax greene [Ed.note: in original, phrase here added: "Or if the scum from the bloom begins to appear"], if they do not, let it rest longer and stoppe it close, if ye see it be come, put therein some of your cloth that ye would die, and turne it well therein, then wring it out, and let it rest 2. or 3. houres: then put in again your cloth, & use it as aforesayd, and so stop it wel again, and let it rest so 2 or 3 houres, till ye shall see the dye begin to come, and the flower to lye aboue, & to euerie going that ye goe thereto, see if the colour be green ynough, or wax green, and when ye shall see it so, ye shal scom off the flower with a dish, and then put your cloth again therein, stirre it wel, and wring it forth, then stop it again wel, and thus ye must color three or four times a day. Then must ye take the dye in the vessell, and hange it ouer the fire againe, and there let it bee hot, and put therin two pound and a halfe of ashes. Then put it in the fatte, and so let it rest, but stoppe it well and close, so let it rest a night, but stirre it once in the night with a staffe, & see in the morning if the die be come, as aforesayd, & so put in your cloth againe, but let it not lye therein too long, that it coole not the die, and as yee haue thus dyed it foure times. Then shall ye make it hot agayne ouer the fire, putting therein two pound of pot ashes, & so let it rest all a night, & stirre it once in the night as aforesaid, and stoppe it close, and when yee goe thereto, see if the dye be come, and if it be come, yee may dye, as before, what yee thinke good, and when your colour waxeth a faire green, then is your die good and ripe, and the flowers will lye faire aboue, but as it beginnes to waxe yealow, then is it too ripe: and then must yee put in more cloth. --How to dye a faire Linnen with brasill. Yee shall take so much linnen as ye will, and to euery elle of linnen, take two ounces of gall nuts, or xii nuts: these nuts yee shall breake in twoo or three peeces, then put them into a kettle with water, and let them seeth together, and when they haue sod a quarter of an houre or lesse, then take it from off the fire, and take your cloth foorth thereof, and let it a little soake by, but let it not drie. As ye haue thus sod it, ye shall take another kettle with faire water, and put it ouer the fire and make it seething hote, then shall ye to euery elle of cloth, take twoo ounces of Allom which ye shall put in the said water, & as it is melted, yee shall take the foresaid cloth and put it into the said kettle to the Allom and let them seeth together a quarter of an houre, then take it forth of the kettle and wring it a little, then hang it to drie a little, but not too much. Then yee must haue your sod brasill as thus: ye shall take lye made of wood ashes, but see it be not too strong, and thereof so much in your panne as wil make your cloth weat, then put your brasill into the pan with the lye, and so let it seeth a quarter of an houre, then set it from the fire, and haue ready an earthen panne, and by and by put your liquor and brasill therein, then shall yee put your foresaid cloth therein, and stirre it & turne it well therin, but see that it be not too dry of the said Allom that it hath been sod with. Also to foure gallons of lye, ye shall put lesse then halfe a pound of brasill poulder small beaten. --To dye blacke Veluet or Linnen. Take of gals and coperas, & seeth them together, and put your linnen therein, if it be gray silke, then take of Elder barks, and old yron, and put all in a herring barrell or vessell. Then take gruis or swarte, this shall be a third dele [part] of the fat, the other two parts shalbe faire water, so let it stand three weekes long, & so stir it often well about, and put your gray silke therein, and as this is done, so shall ye hang it to drie, and so put it in againe, so often till that it be blacke ynough. In stead of galles ye may take barkes of Oke, and Shomakers blacke. [note: there are a lot of recipes in these and other manuscripts for dyeing 'whatever you like,' which may include linen but don't say so specifically.] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:58:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2JwBKm021885 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:58:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2JvG8N031805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:57:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Jv8nZ002387; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1J1Hbl041588 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d5.34921732 (3956) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:01:07 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/2005 12:12:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Guipure lace has more body and are more sturdy to make cuffs out of . Speaking of lace....[which I know nothing about] When does Battenburg lace....y'know, that we now mainly associate with table linen...when is it big. Haven't I seen an entire Crinoline gown made from it...in a Met Museum Magazine or something? When does it 1st appear? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:03:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K3qLP022013 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:03:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K3QUW032488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K3NgY007533; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:03:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au ([143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20meCA036410 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB20lxZr008325 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:17:59 +1030 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb012.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb012.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.22]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB20lxni008321 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:17:59 +1030 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb012.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:17:59 +1030 Message-ID: From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:15:43 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: mid 19th century lace what to look for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth: If you can get to Sydney, or have friends in Sydney, one of the museums there has a collection of some sort of lace from about elizabethen onwards. Patterns can be bought, apparently. I didn't go, but when I was in Sydney for KWDS in July some of the ladies went and came back raving about it. If you ask somebody in the SCA either locally or in sydney they might either know of it or know somebody who does. I think Mistress Miriam Galbraith was one of the people who went there... Sorry I can't be more help, Rebecca > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:20:17 +1100 > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" does > anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on > what period lace > looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:05:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K5Tel022068 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:05:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K563P032683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K4xJh008909; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB24GYoJ054129 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 185E6366D3 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:16:33 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <120220050123.22826.438FA1F5000C1EED0000592A22068246939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't this this list excepts attachments. De -----Original Message----- Sg, For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K7kbq022129 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K7HZN033119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K7DpF011012; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DSKkf016515 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:28:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 829510015 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:28:18 -0600 Message-ID: <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story > " It > is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the 1940's in > America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of stuff.....as I > recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized female manikin leg > complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net stockings! Which I saw, in last Sunday's local newspaper, that you can purchase for your very own! They will even send it in a wooden crate with bales of wood excelsior packing, in case you want the complete movie experience. http://theleglamp.com/signaturelamp.htm (I think the dad wins it as a prize, but either way...:-) My favorite is the Muppet's Christmas Carol. My children think I'm insane. My second favorite is the same movie (A Christmas Carol) with George C. Scott. In fact, I like nearly every version of that movie that I've seen, but George C. Scott is my favorite Ebenezer. Patrick Stewart a close second. Not a lot of costume content here, but one of my favorite holiday decorations is a collection of Father Christmas/St. Nick/etc figurines that depict him in traditional costumes of the past. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:08:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K85FF022149 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:08:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K7g07033179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K7fGq011414; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Dlbnq025315 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDD4262882 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:47:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c5f746$fc7d7920$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:47:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] extra stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have started to make an extra stomacher for the yellow dress. I made a pattern of my own, and made a serpentine with bullion roses........... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Now i am assembling the dress bit by bit, all pieces ready to be put together........ ahhhhhhhhhh Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:08:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K8FYY022157 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K7XWq033149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K7XG1011311; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DZMXK019522 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26d.12915c3 (3956) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <26d.12915c3.30c1a790@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:35:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2005 7:46:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story Yes, that is fabulous. It came out when we were living in southern Mississippi, and it really made me nostalgic for the Chirstmases I spent in colder climes. I mentioned last year the "Cinderella" that was done live on CBS in the late '50s, with Julie Andrews in the title role. Not strictly a holiday movie, but delightful nonetheless. It is costumed in Regency style; of course, it is black and white, as NBC had the patent on color TV in those days. Finally, much more recent, we watched "Elf" last week. It is good, too. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCBo7022267 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KBEdE033630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KBCWY014240; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KB97d014190 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19841 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:36 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > None of the linen is period at all. > > You can send it to me :). Nice try ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCeu9022279 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KC9q1033783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KC3OW014866; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ELWY4043294 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m131.in-tch.com [216.166.191.131]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB2EDuk03575 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:13:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If it were me, I'd be doing the camicia embroidery in gold, since the original looks to be gold. The colors of the gown look to me to be a gold and a darker gold (brown? black?) pattern, so gold would work nicely with the original fabric. With your possible gown fabric? Hmmm....dunno. Probably still do it in gold, but carefully choosing a "shade" of gold thread that best went with the mustard tones of the fabric. Or just *possibly* doing it in blue--I don't know of any extant camicia (or Italian portraits) that show blue embroidery (at least, not this early on a snowy morning), but there *IS* that boy's shirt from slightly earlier in the 16th century, which is now in theV&A. --Sue, looking forward to an unexpectedly quiet weekend--perfect for sewing on her new outfit (10th century Norse...decided to do it by hand ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] need some input > I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the > Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. > The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the > plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors > > http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm > > I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this portrait, > what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCmqj022283 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KCNXX033848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KCMlR015209; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ES1kM046811 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.240.2b4442b (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <240.2b4442b.30c1b3e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:27:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright redblack (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) ********************* You can always dip them down or change the color completely by dying...Ritt works well on linen....even the hot pink. -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) ********************** 18th century....especially for lining a caraco or something where you'll catch a glimpse of it...like a yellow silk jacket lined with the blue...or actually even the apricot. Tres chich! -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white ********************** Victorian. I see an 1895 ball gown with huge sleeves.... -- silk noil ******************* Hmmmmmm.... embroider it in coral red and make an early 1920s day dress or make a great 20s dress out of some brightly patterned china silk and a floater coat of the noil lined with the dress fabric. Also tres chich! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCtmE022288 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KCTvS033878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KCTfE015317; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Ecv0S053153 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.258.2aa7528 (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <258.2aa7528.30c1b66d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:38:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Of course it's Nutcracker time. I like the unorthodox Ballet West film of it with Maurice Sendak designs. The Arabian dance is turned into a peacock dancing....danced by the same dancer who plays Clara's mother.at the Act I party. I love that. Great costumes and stage magic! And there's Mark Morris' "The Hard Nut"...also on film. He puts it in the 1950s. The "Waltz of the Flowers" becomes the waltz of the house plants....that need watering. Too much fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:13:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KD8ps022300 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:13:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KCnbN033955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KCm0R015579; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ErAPv061568 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.12a.6b09644b (48552) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:52:56 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.6b09644b.30c1b9c8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:52:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, Joseph A. Banks is a good name, but, probably, cut on the generous side, for the, ahem, more mature male. I would try other stores, like Men's Wearhouse, and see if you can find a brand that fits him well. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KEjgi022368 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KDGkV034016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KDETe015976; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2F606u069366 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 996F55EE04B for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:05:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c5f751$f1727930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:06:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=50% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yes this is the film i am talking about. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie > I'm am not sure if it was the same movie but I remember a Cinderella type > movie where Cinderella had shot down three magic nuts/acorns. Breaking a > nut > off from the cluster, would make a wish and then throw it over her should. > The first wish was for archer's clothing. > This was years ago on a program similar to "Kookla, Fran and Ollie" > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:16:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KG1bT022410 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KEOsu034163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KEMFR016954; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2G4aV4009659 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jB2G4UT18164 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:04:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:04:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hiya, This is also my favorite Christmas movie without Bing Crosby, or that is not an animation by Rankin and Bass. :D But He didn't order the lamp, it was an award. a major award. Althea "It'll put your eye out" Turner On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:48 AM, WickedFrau wrote: > This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." Is > it on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? > > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60031127&trkid=189530>" It > is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the > 1940's in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind > of stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life- > sized female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish- > net stockings! > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and >> the 3 magic nuts?' >> This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the >> costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a >> touch of eastern europe fashions two. >> Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed >> hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever >> saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KIFeN022475 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KHju0034575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KHdRZ019660; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Gx29r054254 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB2Gwsl00283.; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:58:54 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:58:54 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:58:32 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2Gx29r054254 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Two-legged" clothes pegs (as I would call them) are shown in Beatrix Potter's "Mrs. Tiggy-Winkle" (around 1900?) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mooncat@in-tch.com 02/12/2005 16:35 >>> Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical development of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm guessing that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the simpler ones that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the top of my head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle ages/renaissance that I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on bushes/lawns, or else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped over them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as laundry goes. A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were developed by the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the 19th century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify it.... Thanks, Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KIUVL022482 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KIDAY034645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KIACH020091; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2H2gt3057369 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.140]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2782C47FE6D for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:02:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5f762$33bdf570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003501c5f75e$69f24a00$91bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:02:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=37% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sue, The oldest clothes pins i have seen were wooden sticks wich has a wedge in one end. You press the stick with your clothes between and onto the line. The tension of the wedge in the stick holds it in possition. These are still available here in Denmark. Have you seen The drafters contrakt? A lot of laundry is seen hanging in this film. (17th century) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical development > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > guessing > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the simpler > ones > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the top of > my > head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle ages/renaissance > that > I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on bushes/lawns, or > else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped over > them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as laundry > goes. > A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were developed by > the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the 19th > century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify it.... > Thanks, > Sue in Montana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:21:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KLBS1022555 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KKDFb034994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KK78t021722; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ISkkW030313 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 0769D143780; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.3]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C8F7143154 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03a901c5f76d$96b509b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:24:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > > -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) Ooooh, this is going to drive me crazy. I found something semi-recently that seemed to document black (well, blackish) linen; in fact, if I remember right, it said that the main colors that linens used for garment construction (presumably linings, facings, and accessories) were dyed are sky blue, gray/brown, and very dark brownish/blackish/gray. But I am completely blanking on where I read it, and am thinking that unfortunately it was in the I-am-an-idiot-and-forgot-to-write-down-the-name-of-the-book book that I recently photographed for lack of a scanner. It's a two inch thick book put out by some part of Oxford U that attempts to reprint every single document from England in the Tudor era, and part of a long series that attempts to do the same for every era of Britain's history. They fail, but they do have a ton of stuff. (Robin, it lives in the Covenant Seminary library on Conway Rd just west of 270.) I've got pictures of at least a third of the pages in the book sitting in a file on my computer waiting to be typed up, and they're a real nuisance to check through in that format because there's no way to search them. I'll look in my other files and see if I can find it elsewhere; I could be remembering wrong about how strong the documentation is, unfortunately. But er, anyway, even though the black is no doubt too pure a black to be hugely accurate, you might want to recheck whether or not it's useful. Or you know, give it to me. =} The glazed cotton should be hugely useful to 19thC people; it's the de rigueur lining material for bodices and dresses, at least in the 2nd half of it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:21:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KLtFU022587 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KLQBE035184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KLNvx022760; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JtRJR000902 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1F25388 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0446A96D for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Thread-Index: AcX3c8327V9l4ZiRRZ2Q22AO1jZpfwABZMkA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 19:55:16.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[50E605D0:01C5F77A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2JtRJR000902 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've done both running stitch finishes on wool and whip stitch finishes on wool (also taken from looking things up in the Museum of London books :-) ). Here are my thoughts: 1) The running stitch definitely shows on the outside, but it's rather decorative, actually (and is kinda fun, to show off to other people who recognize the research :-) ). It's also rather interesting how much stronger the seam feels after you add the running stitch. 2 of the garments I've applied this too were rather bulky wools, and had some areas with many seams meeting/crossing -- the running stitch actually does a lot to reduce the bulk in those areas. 2) The whip stitch just fades into the fabric if you don't take big stitches though the outside layer. I use the whip stitch for my hems 'cause of this. If you want unobtrusive, this is actually a good one. Afraid I haven't tried any of the other options. -sunny > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:39:58 +0000 > From: Caroline > Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th > century woollen tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig > zag and do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand > sewn hems before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent > a month doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two > parallel lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the > whip stich might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam > would probably > be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KMSaF022610 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KM4Yd035298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KLsFP023242; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JxMEB004142 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EiH3t-0007SQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: <29538468.1133553557853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:59:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical > development > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > guessing > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the > simpler ones > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? I don't have any information on when or where. But I would guess that the modern manufactured form of the "prong" clothespin descends ultimately from a simple twig, split partway up from the bottom. The natural springiness of the wood would easily keep the "legs" of a split twig exerting inward pressure, holding the clothes to a clothesline. I do have vague memories of seeing medieval clotheslines: the first place I'd look would be in the backgrounds of paintings, strung between buildings in a city scene. Progress from this form could consist of (1) applying a binding around the top of the twig, or (2) actually cutting out a slot in the twig rather than splitting it -- making it less likely that the stick would split all the way up to the top and fall apart (since splits along the grain tend to propagate). Splitting is still, IIRC, the most common form of "clothespin failure" with the modern sort. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:24:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KO2Cu022647 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KNW9U035469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:23:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KNUoh024285; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:23:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KNQ44024232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:23:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-156.sonic.net [209.148.113.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KNMcP014571 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:23:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4390AD42.9030904@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:23:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fairy /christmas book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not a movie, and not exactly about Christmas, but a good Christmas present for an adult or child: _Alice's Journey Beyond the Moon_, by R. J. Carter, Telos Publishing (UK) This is an Alice in Wonderland journey done in the style of Lewis Carroll, pretending to be a newly discovered manuscript and with pseudo-scholarly footnotes. The writing is very well done. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KR5Tc022725 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:27:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KQham035871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KQf7s026949; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KQZI4026791 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:26:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:23:51 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:26:43 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcX3aiieTy5vpRwDSMexmum24g9IeAAFAZ8A X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 20:23:51.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F206430:01C5F77E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped like a "Z"- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching only 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to the fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. HTH Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen tunic for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems before (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month doing run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the woolly one also by hand. I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich might leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would probably be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KUmAv022816 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KPPo4035711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KPIXh025801; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KP73w025638 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 11FA2BABD; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.3]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A1913B832 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:29:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03de01c5f77e$16e36b30$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:55:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" > None of the linen is period at all. > You can send it to me :). I'm closer! =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KUmH9022815 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KUHmB036366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KUDEn029909; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KSkaE028739 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20071 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:55:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:55:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) In-Reply-To: <03cd01c5f77a$1bbba400$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, E House wrote: > Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet > (I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find > these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that > linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part of the puzzle... Yes, there are certainly plenty of references to linen dyeing and linen garments in the 16th c. The Plictho would be another similar source; Drea has been collecting these for ages (and I'm guessing you picked these up from her site? let's give her credit for her great work in webbing all this material). So it sounds like I can justify most of my linen hues for 16th c.; I don't know if I can justify the deep intensity of the shades I have on hand, or whether they're correct for clothing :-( There are 16th c. inventories and other documentary references to dyed linen garments, but I'm not sure about the colors mentioned -- I haven't done any real study of this period. Your Italian reference is the earliest I've seen for a recipe, which supports what I said earlier about seeing some implications that dyed linen was in greater use in Italy earlier than points north. I once heard a scholar refer to legal restrictions on linen dyers in medieval Germany (something like not being allowed to dump their dyebaths in the local river), but I'd like to get a better citation before I take on faith that this wasn't a misreading of a restriction that mentioned both linen processors and dyers in the same ordinance, since both procedures do nasty things to water supplies. Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval Western Europe -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC -- and I want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen dyeing done in this period. But I don't think it's safe to assume from that that the linen was frequently dyed, and that dyed linen was typically used for the visible layers of clothing, which is what my focus was in my earlier post. Some time ago on this list, someone talked at length about evidence that linen in, hmm, 18th c America? -- I'd have to look it up -- being used almost exclusively in white, blue (often striped), and brown, but rarely or never in other colors, based on inventory evidence and surviving garments. So I wonder whether the use of more variously colored linens was something that went in and out over time, or came later to certain geographical regions. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KVqP0022870 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KVC80036468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KV6Vg030576; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KV0fZ030465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-156.sonic.net [209.148.113.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KUs8L016503 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:30:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4390AF06.5010805@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:02 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another fairy /christmas book References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <4390AD42.9030904@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4390AD42.9030904@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW, another one I'd recommend is Jeffrey Ford's _Cosmology of the Wider World_--it's sort of like _Wind in the Willows_ on hash. You can get it at www.pspublishing.co.uk. I've also got an extra copy of that and another book of theirs, Vera Nazarian's _The Clock King and the Queen of the Hourglass_. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KVr14022871 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KVLt9036489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KVKU0030758; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KVCqp030659 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so276868wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qken1KadYPAOgbZAs2vMZyjXe0ex4HEwZRupUR3P0SBLBW9SFB5gFldCeSj/NXUbZZV/+U1i0/Ly187095gu4VwlslEPbyVUKXsmGTI9FbGc9SxgIE3b44/QaNRn2pA3X32Wk+fGwSUvWzUbMcLLeevxtzd+7SWz+J15ToJ81QI= Received: by 10.65.59.13 with SMTP id m13mr1776814qbk; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512021231q5f2fae0v@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:31:09 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? In-Reply-To: <29538468.1133553557853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <29538468.1133553557853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2KVr14022871 Status: RO Many of the pegs bought in the 19th and 20th century were made by Roma gypsies. It's an interesting subject but Romany history is almost non existant in it purest (written text) form. Lot's to think about.... no easy answers. Oh don't forget peg dolls - I used to make them as a kid On 02/12/05, Chris Laning wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 "Sue Clemenger" > writes: > > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical > > development > > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > > guessing > > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the > > simpler ones > > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? > > I don't have any information on when or where. But I would guess that the > modern manufactured form of the "prong" clothespin descends ultimately from > a simple twig, split partway up from the bottom. The natural springiness of > the wood would easily keep the "legs" of a split twig exerting inward > pressure, holding the clothes to a clothesline. I do have vague memories of > seeing medieval clotheslines: the first place I'd look would be in the > backgrounds of paintings, strung between buildings in a city scene. > > Progress from this form could consist of (1) applying a binding around the > top of the twig, or (2) actually cutting out a slot in the twig rather than > splitting it -- making it less likely that the stick would split all the way > up to the top and fall apart (since splits along the grain tend to > propagate). Splitting is still, IIRC, the most common form of "clothespin > failure" with the modern sort. > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:32:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KWt3e022908 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:32:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KWc8N036655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KWV6k031732; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:32:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2KWJZj031549 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3BM3ZAK8L9N2 for (sender ); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LA89TXTQ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:41 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:30:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Message-ID: <20051202.143003.-106500423.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-38 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:207597530 X-MAIL-INFO: 2deaea9e8b0b8ec79eae8e9e270f27bbcbb77357fa97c3da4afaea1bde935b676a6b9e9373734f8e9e1e5bd71b2efb83fbba873fba87ef3787ef9e1b27b37bbb7f23b38fe72a7f0e8fd34e478f434b2f2e3a2ea7cfefe3872e37 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77Vk/WiSEqZwkgQaRO2xS6+NG2djttFp/g== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The most recent Signals catalog has both a large and small version of the lamp for sale. Let's hear it for kitch..... Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) "Diana Habra" writes: > > > This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." > Is it > > on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? > > > > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story > > > " > > It is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the > 1940's > > in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of > > stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized > > female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net > > stockings! > > Actually, he wins it by entering a sweepstake drawing. And even > though it > is hideous, he takes great pride in the fact that he "won" it. > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:38:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Kckr7023088 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:38:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KcKIH037687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KcC7P036722; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Kc5vK036610 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so281897nzp for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DmFMiRVcP1o6R0M/ADbTckX0PVCn8Ol8icvqEqftxnVNBL/RLAJbYEHftws7AkwHCRvC4fc1smyIoiR4P09lL1ofhgP7lUKxQG5xriIZlVRPFMH9+1sJWEWlxM/m2zgOar4Ans7+Fjqe2QmoladEWkoQcqnwnuRm7hekfrEuJ+c= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr1780462qbn; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:38:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512021238n464eb5d4p@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:38:03 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool In-Reply-To: <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2Kckr7023088 Status: RO Betsy - you have described my normal method of heming here. Visibility on the front is not necessarily undesirable - it certanly looks like some of the medieval stiches were both functional and decorative. I think I may go for a sewing the seams down with running stich. My only worry is that this will still allow the fabric to fray. I suppose if the tunic is never washed................. authentic but possibly a bit smelly. On 02/12/05, Betsy Marshall wrote: > > This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped > like a "Z"- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but > parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching > only > 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to > the > fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread > tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. > HTH Betsy > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Caroline > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen > tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems > before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month > doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich > might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would > probably > be rather bulky. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Kq898023401 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:52:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Kp3qi041622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KDtZQ016533; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2FXZc5088080 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 24755 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:24:03 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:24:03 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1092.67.188.164.116.1133537808.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43904293.7080202@msn.com> References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43904293.7080202@msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." Is it > on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? > > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story > " > It is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the 1940's > in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of > stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized > female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net > stockings! Actually, he wins it by entering a sweepstake drawing. And even though it is hideous, he takes great pride in the fact that he "won" it. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KqHRk023405 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:52:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Kps11041772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Kpotf048340; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KphQH048205 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20366 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: <240.2b4442b.30c1b3e7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright redblack > (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > ********************* > You can always dip them down or change the color completely by dying...Ritt > works well on linen....even the hot pink. If I needed it, yes, but since I have a ready source of inexpensive undyed/bleached linen, it seems silly to pay money to spoil some really nice colored fabrics if they can be used elsewhere. That's why I'm wondering where else they might be used; I'd like to give some of them to friends, and I'll sell the rest. Thanks so much for the thoughts on the others! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:00:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2L0OWr023670 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2L047Y042986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L02oH054764; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Kxtr0054535 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:59:48 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:59:35 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Favorite Christmas Movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Scrooge, 1951 version w/ Alastair Sims and We're No Angels, from 1955. The latter just came out on DVD so I will be able to watch it this year without the horrible editing it usually receives :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:02:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2L2Kps023780 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:02:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2L1j4j043266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L1iO4056304; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2L1eth056186 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7452 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 21:01:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3KAEKIrwjsE1DMRrlNg1qwzK/RJ4ymZg+rTECQK+pVM9TrdBJxf0s7ftZg/SMXL8C/dvASxiprq4Gokd3JVwYmr4U+ypqFQgDYjncZB02P/fAtDrTeXbSO30U3WJ+bWkdXHgXhBT4pysKSlKlAT0SKm9PtrFRpa7+bGrOhtzz4Q= ; Message-ID: <20051202210135.7450.qmail@web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:01:35 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512022030.jB2KRXOu027675@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: christmas movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So many good movies at this time of the year I like "A Christmas Story". Although it is from a few years before MY time, it seems to tell the story of My childhod christmases in the 1950's. I too was dressed in a snowsuit that made me fat as a tick, Tinsel on the tree, going to see Santa at a big department store and the displays in the windows. It just seems to be all there. In our house we watch all the Christmas Carols, the Muppett one a (a Muppett Miss Piggy/Mrs. Cratchett is too too much), the old 1950's one with Alaistair Cook, the newer one's with Patrick Stewart. It's always good, you can't really hurt a classic. (which is why it's a classic) This time of year they frequently play the movie about Handel writting the Messiah. not good costumes, not really accurate, kind of painted with a broad inspirational/religious/spiritual brush, but I still like it. Mainly because the Messiah is one of my favoite pieces of music. But Handel was a pip, in a true 18th century manner. He supposedly once threatend to throw a soprano out a window. I would have loved to see one of the original 1700 performances in a real 1700's theatre. Oh Bjarne, Can you imagine the clothing and the lights. THe cloths we do now are only pale imitations of the real things (well not yours) Mia in Chralottetown, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:09:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2L98Ha023964 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:09:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2L8lCv044273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L8j3x061864; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L8eB0061797 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB2L8cF9029597 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:57:54 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512021900.jB2J0UFF057249@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: clothes pins X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Clothes pins were invented by the Shakers in America. Or so they claim. One of their many cool and designy contibutions. I guess that would have been in the early 1800s. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:22:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2LMRFN024524 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:22:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2LLGdP045696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LLBE6071471; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LL25Y071304 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 796D334BC9 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000001c5f753$fd5f3ab0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! De -----Original Message----- It's called Three Wishes For Cinderella (Tri Orísky pro Popelku), made in Czechoslovakia in 1973. You can get it from Amazon.com Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2LMS1e024527 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2LLGIG045695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LLBoC071450; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LL076071296 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0B1834BD7 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:20:59 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001401c5f751$f1727930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I liked it very much. I keep my eyes open at the video stores in hopes to see if it will ever show up on their shelves. Though not my favorite, The Polar bear king isn't a bad movie. De -----Original Message----- Hi, Yes this is the film i am talking about. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2LcDA5025005 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:38:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2LbbeA047831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LbVBm084310; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LbO0D084185 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C673134BC9 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:37:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:37:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gee I can't think or spell. I don't believe this list excepts attachments. De -----Original Message----- I don't this this list excepts attachments. De -----Original Message----- Sg, For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 17:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2MHDse026260 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2MGmvQ053267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MGk3L015291; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MGgJo015173 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9D405B1 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:16:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4390C7E4.6000400@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:17:08 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 > magic nuts?' It sounds delightful. I like "White Christmas" and "Holiday Inn" with Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire. Not much fancy costuming, unless you like to look at clothing from the early 1940's, but the music and dancing is fun. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 17:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2MIl6d026309 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2MIQgr053519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MIQok016597; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [68.230.241.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MILCl016458 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051202221742.XSHE3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:17:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200512011900.jB1J0CnR040555@net.indra.com> References: <200512011900.jB1J0CnR040555@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <89539DD5-F32A-4CB2-A4F2-E46D8A2CC3B6@cox.net> From: Max Callahan Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:16:52 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: mid 19th century lace what to look for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'm kind of late on my emails... > I think Suzi got it closest. Here are some on Ebay...the first pair > are fancier and the second slightly plainer with just a cotton lace on the hem. Also have seen some beautiful ones with the sleeve body having the whitework covering it. It does give you some good options. http://tinyurl.com/7ugu2 http://tinyurl.com/dg49b -Debbie Callahan > > Many engageants I have seen are made of very fine white cotton with > whitework embroidery, also known as Ayrshire work. Also seen a pair > in all over broderie anglais. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 18:00:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2N0duE027744 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:00:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2N0Bqk058780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2N03SQ048653; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Mxw4p048504 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051202225952014005v4mse>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:59:52 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:59:51 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:59:51 +0000 Message-Id: <120220052259.6539.4390D1E70003B5D50000198B22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was trying to send it to Sg personally since I knew the list didn't except attachments. We found out what the problem is; for some reason Comcast.net is not allowing many of us to send messages to anyone with MSN. I'm going to try later today to see if Comcast fixed the problem. This week and next I am right in the middle of preparing for a large medieval Yule Feast that I'm autocrating, cooking for over 50 people, embroidering an heraldic tablecloth, a gift for that gift exchange, and a gift for this gift exchange. So, I'm fitting in H-costume stuff when I have a few minutes here and there Roscelin > Gee I can't think or spell. > I don't believe this list excepts attachments. > De > > -----Original Message----- > I don't this this list excepts attachments. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Sg, > > For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments > with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will > do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos > of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. > > Roscelin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 18:05:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2N5KbE027865 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2N4xSH059380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2N4v0V052280; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2N4rFU052219 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 7A837138550; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:05:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.75.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.75]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F32913850F for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:05:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <041b01c5f795$1c0981a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:07:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes! That was from Drea's site. By the way, I'm not saying that colored linen should be used for outer layers of outer garments (but I do, because I can look at a picture of fire and get over-heated) but rather that colored linen can be reasonably documented as a _part_ of an outer garment. A few more notes, some of which rely on translations by Katherine Barich: There's also at least one extant blue linen lining, Queen Margareta's dress if I remember aright. Yep, here it is: Blue hip-length linen torso lining dated to early 15th century: Drottning Margaretas gyllen kjortel i Uppsala Domkyrka (The Golden Gown of Queen Margareta in Uppsala Cathedral). Geijer, Agners, Anne Marie Franzen, Margareta Nockert. Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademien 1994 (1st print 1985). and also: Black, waxed full linen lining of a Burgundian man's coat (mid 15thc), Textile Conservation. Flury-Lemberg, Mechthild. Schriften Der Abegg-Stiftung, Bern, 1988. pp. 156-157. The 'Textiler Hausrat' by Jutta Zander-Seidel has inventories that reference (colored?) linens used in garments (sorry, my notes on this one aren't clear enough for me to understand them). TH certainly includes a reference to a black linen lining in 16thC Nuremberg, and the book includes a ton of excellent fabric terminology stuff, such as: 'Gugler' is a term for a type of linen used in clothing that could be sold either unfinished or dyed. A linen version of taffeta was available in 1582, as seen in a 1582 inventory of a newcastle merchant: "viii yards lennen taffety 12/." Damasks and velvets intended to imitate more expensive fabrics were also made with linen, and therefore would have almost certainly been dyed. TH (or possibly 'Das Nuernberger Kunstbuch,' below--unclear notes again) also has recipes for dyeing linen red, green, yellow, and brown. 'Das Nuernberger Kunstbuch,' 2nd half of 15th C, has another recipe for dyed linen, but I don't have a word for word translation of it--the key phrase at the end of the recipe is "vnd du mach leines oder wulleins also verben" which, not word for word, means "this is how you dye linen or wool." The Vision of Piers Plowman, passus 1 (B-text, written c 1376), mentions linen clothing: "1.003: A lovely lady of leere in lynnen yclothed" but of course there could be symbolic reasons for that one. According to someone who's read them (not me) the Rules of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem specify a habit of black linen for Hospitaller nuns in Jerusalem in the 12thC. >From natural dyers in general: Linen takes tannin-based dyes well, but not ones that require another mordant. So, colors achievable with tannin-based dyes, such as yellows, browns, and almost-blacks, would all be reasonable colors. > I once heard a scholar refer to legal restrictions on linen dyers in > medieval Germany (something like not being allowed to dump their dyebaths > in the local river), but I'd like to get a better citation before I take > on faith that this wasn't a misreading of a restriction that mentioned > both linen processors and dyers in the same ordinance, since both > procedures do nasty things to water supplies. Textiler Hausrat would be a good place to check for this, if you can find a helpful translator. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 18:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2NBsAF028074 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2NBHVV060056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2NBFrs056988; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2NBAGO056932 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EiK3Z-000DZa-6r for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:11:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:09:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> <37ee9e000512021238n464eb5d4p@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000512021238n464eb5d4p@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If the fabric is reasonably tight woven, and your seam allowances are not too narrow, it should be OK. When you wash it, it will fray a tiny bit, but it will also felt a bit to stick the frayed bits together. Of course, you don't wash it every week (I remember trying to explain to a colleague of my husband's that you don't wash wool jumpers every time you wear them!) but it will survive washing often enough not to be smelly. Jean Caroline wrote >Betsy - you have described my normal method of heming here. Visibility on >the front is not necessarily undesirable - it certanly looks like some of >the medieval stiches were both functional and decorative. I think I may go >for a sewing the seams down with running stich. > >My only worry is that this will still allow the fabric to fray. I suppose >if the tunic is never washed................. authentic but possibly a bit >smelly. > > > >On 02/12/05, Betsy Marshall wrote: >> >> This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped >> like a "Z"- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but >> parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching >> only >> 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to >> the >> fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread >> tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. >> HTH Betsy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Caroline >> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool >> >> I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen >> tunic >> for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the >> bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems >> before >> (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month >> doing >> run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the >> woolly one also by hand. >> >> I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems >> to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam >> allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on >> the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich >> might >> leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. >> >> Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I >> don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would >> probably >> be rather bulky. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > >-- >Caroline >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:12:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30CpSZ029339 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:12:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30C0iN067435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30BuUb098211; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30Bpjv098095 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1eb.477a1c88 (4328) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.477a1c88.30c23cbf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:11:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2005 3:33:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penhalion@juno.com writes: The most recent Signals catalog has both a large and small version of the lamp for sale. Let's hear it for kitch..... The movie is based on a number of Jean Shephard's essays, which I read years before the movie came out, including the one about the lamp. I recommend them to all. Some are from later in life, including his prom experiences, "Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories." Several years ago, I was in Charlotte, and read an article about a flea market there. One of the stands specialized in mannequins, and a featured customer was looking for a leg to turn into a lamp! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30E9WM029364 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:14:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30DglC067711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30DeiZ099419; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30Da73099305 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.64aef4b6 (4328) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <66.64aef4b6.30c23d25@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:13:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2005 3:08:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: as I > recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized female manikin leg > complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net stockings! No, he didn't order the lamp. It was a "major award" in a contest--evidently sponsored by Nehi Orange Soda (get it!) And that is why he was so proud of it, because it was a "major award." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30H1YV029421 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:17:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30FC7q068152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30FBsn000725; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30F8JL000642 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.299.e62802 (4328) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <299.e62802.30c23d80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:14:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There was a small exhibit at the National Museum of American History a few years ago about the history of clothes pins. Wish I remembered more details, but I seem to recall they date to the mid-19th century, because I was doing early 19th century laundry at the time and they would not have been appropriate. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30rOWb029895 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:53:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30qsWr072091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30qrbb021588; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30qnqR021511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32S3XK025933 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:28:03 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:55:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512021955.43575.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 02 December 2005 12:54 am, otsisto wrote: > I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the > Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. > The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the > plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors > > http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm > > I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this > portrait, what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? I'd go with gold--good quality metallic thread, if I could afford it; so-called gold-color silk if I could not. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30xPEB029982 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:59:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30x9DZ072631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30x8DY024822; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30x3vv024734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32YKeE026106 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:34:20 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:02:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 02 December 2005 9:28 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: [snip] > --Sue, looking forward to an unexpectedly quiet weekend--perfect for sewing > on her new outfit (10th century Norse...decided to do it by hand ;o) Oooh. When you finish it, will you put it on the Web somewhere, so that we can admire it? -- Cathy "lonely Viking" Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:01:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB311Ens030009 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:01:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3110a7072806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3110sf025826; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB310ukd025741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32aCVO026164 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:12 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:03:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512022003.53112.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 02 December 2005 2:55 pm, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: [snip] > 2) The whip stitch just fades into the fabric if you don't take big > stitches though the outside layer. I use the whip stitch for my hems 'cause > of this. If you want unobtrusive, this is actually a good one. I agree with Sunny. I've been using whipstitch on wools of various thicknesses, and it's pretty unobtrusive except, perhaps, on very very fine cloth--especially if you're using silk thread. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:12:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31C0JT030201 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31BHwZ074143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31BFA6031392; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31BBER031292 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.19f.41bda0da (3874) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.41bda0da.30c24aa4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:00 EST Subject: [h-cost] waxed canvas To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO have you tried contacting a company like Barbour in South Tyneside (UK - north east)? they do tins of the stuff, and should be able to let you know of a supplier where you could get some. (By the way, if anybody's ever near there, they have a fantastic factory shop, with huge discounts.) (which reminds me my Barbour needs re-waxing before next year - oh joy) Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:23:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31NbGL030440 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31M7Ra075073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31M5jA036902; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31M062036794 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.22e.3201156 (3874) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <22e.3201156.30c24d2f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:21:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Christmas - I'm a complete sucker for just about all of them, but White Christmas, (I fell in love with the red 'santa' dresses that Rosemary Clooney and Vera Ellen wear at the end when I was about three), Wonderful Life, and Miracle on 34th Street. And films that aren't strictly Christmas films, but that I associate with Christmas - Meet Me in St Louis, and The Shop Around the Corner. (Can you tell I do old Hollywood?) And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:26:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31QitM030494 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31QRmZ075531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31QPLQ039227; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31QLjt039153 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d9.32dc547a (58435) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:26:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie--OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/2/2005 8:22:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: Meet Me in St Louis, Ah, yes, because of the song "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." Anyone else notice that they re-wrote the lyrics to this song in the 1960s, so it was no longer bittersweet, but just a happy little ditty, that doesn't even make any sense? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:44:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31iZ1X030712 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:44:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31iGAV077192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31iE4u049046; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31iAZQ049019 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:44:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=V8OeyrcHw/Mq5p9ka1sPqKPDz+QigmiVq3b7T4+nnvBpVbIuz6Ac6iFz2YwzJPqj; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.13] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiMRd-00046y-Fi for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00ed01c5f7ab$0c7c05d0$0d399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22e.3201156.30c24d2f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b86168bb0d7c858c27316bb18ce8c8eb5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.13 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Debs wrote: > And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the > Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. I think you're referring to "Fairy Tale: A True Story". -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:59:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31xeD1030881 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31xLm7078559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31xJob056388; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31xFLi056329 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241043D082 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:59:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4390FC10.8060601@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:59:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was surfing http://movies.yahoo.com and noticed a few trailers for upcoming movies. _Pirates of the Caribbean 2_, of course. _Bloodrayne_, a fantasy vampire hunter movie, _Casanova_ 18th century Venice? Costumes look good, but it's not my period. _Memoirs of a Geisha_, visually appealing though it doesn't sound like the book I read. _The New World_, the Pocahantas movie. _The White Countess_ set in Shanghai in 1936, looks like a dramatic romance. All the trailers are up for viewing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 21:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB32T3x6031158 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32RTAl081353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32ROjp069126; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32RJHd069060 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m243.in-tch.com [216.166.191.243]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB32Jik27851 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:19:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:34:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That would be fun, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, I don't have a website. Some day, maybe.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input > On Friday 02 December 2005 9:28 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > [snip] > > --Sue, looking forward to an unexpectedly quiet weekend--perfect for sewing > > on her new outfit (10th century Norse...decided to do it by hand ;o) > > Oooh. When you finish it, will you put it on the Web somewhere, so that we > can admire it? > > > -- > Cathy "lonely Viking" Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 21:46:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB32kN7B031299 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32k5Xg083460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32k4SP078555; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:46:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32k0Qv078521 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IUW/S4n1I1yeGJ+3MzEmC4qiZysT2q8gT1vuSDHzSOD3HxUSUqaSeZvrbiy9Kuiw; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.124] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiNPT-0002dq-7T for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:45:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002401c5f74d$fdbea780$83bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> <002401c5f74d$fdbea780$83bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FEEC43F-6AC6-4608-B9A5-99F6BE5E8AD1@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:59:58 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff687f6f8a99148231a022c4ba24db2dad5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.124 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the perennial colored linen topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Dec 2, 2005, at 6:37 AM, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think the thing is, with the dyed linens, that there's not a lot > out there > supporting the existence of *dyed* *linens.* Dyed fabrics, yes, > but not > linens. Linens, yes, but not dyed. ;o) At least, not in the part > of the > world/time most often explored in the SCA. Really don't know much > about the > uses of colored linens after the introduction of coal-based dyes. > (19th > century, right?) > That said, though, a lot of enthusiasts in my crowd use it as a > reasonable > alternative to wools for summer garb. Wool can be really hard for > us to > find at all (weird, considering the winter climate here), let alone in > summer-appropriate weights, as we get temps unheardof in England or > Ireland > or some parts of Continental Europe. So linen shows up used for > cottes or > gowns or jackets or tunics or.... It's a recurring discussion, and it always ends up being important to distinguish between linen as a "fashion fabric" (i.e., an external intended-to-be-visible layer) and the question of "any colored linen at all". The two examples I find easiest to cite of colored linen in the later medieval period are a pinkish (sort of salmon-colored) linen lining used in some (or perhaps all) of the well-known Vestments of the Order of the Golden Fleece and a dark greyish-black linen used for the lining of the "satin coat of Charles the Bold". These examples speak to the technological question of whether dyed linens were available in certain parts of the medieval period, but they don't speak to the plausibility of using colored linen as a substitute for colored wool as a fashion fabric (which is what many people are looking for support for). Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 21:49:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB32ng0K031336 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:49:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32nMLc083828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32nNld080070; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB32m1SC079423 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66423 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2005 02:47:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lh6Iem5Ke3vHrQxdmXQhMGiZ2JQQY3EU5VJh/fvMbODsm0UoLa6d1MEofoXZnLBccP37iURD+/kPqvgegq+xnDfsakdFoCacOmktLQYjnO7pJ/o7w+EineDxb1aBAPXkmTeJka5tHUU9d+9mdH3spu/YZUDYGGc4FtXvv+4GVbs= ; Message-ID: <20051203024754.66421.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.251.89.14] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:47:54 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512021903.jB2J0UFG057249@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clothes pins??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here are some pics of 18th c. clothespins. Not sure how much earlier they go back, but these are surely the predecessor of the Shaker clothespin. http://www.marariley.net/laundry/ Also, it was fairly common to spread linen out to dry on bushes and stretches of lawn. -- Mara --------------------- http://www.knittingobsession.com - modern knitting stuff http://www.knittingobsession.blogspot.com http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 22:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB330sOs031465 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB330bp7085348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB330YQK085859; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB330WUL085791 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:00:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81296 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2005 03:00:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BD8StYtvonaUeLhVeQKzHpLWRVWWX3SZ7viLM6ojjamz3vUMeDBorChtBJwgjI/ZFBQU8/voBCTjq50EHke8ctWaXCl7nVqAAwaEgvj/0GsQfj1A/lYkVrimpa1fdYWfLlf0bxSmeDd76Hzrh2pJNd7kUdB3IUPFC8wK9Tv+/pk= ; Message-ID: <20051203030023.81294.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.251.89.14] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:00:23 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512022017.jB2KEYD2017130@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We've had some arguments on the 18cWoman list about dyed linen. There is definitely evidence for dyed linen being used for gowns, breeches, jackets, etc. in the 18th c., and these would obviously have been dyed with natural dyes. As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the wall (chimney?) of a house. http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html -- Mara --------------------- http://www.knittingobsession.com - modern knitting stuff http://www.knittingobsession.blogspot.com http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 23:36:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB34asVw032633 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB34aGo8095611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34aDh8029703; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34a8xC029616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB36BPo0032429 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:11:25 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Place to Post Pictures of Your Norse Garb (was [h-cost] need some input) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:39:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 02 December 2005 9:34 pm, you wrote: > That would be fun, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, I don't have a website. > Some day, maybe.... There's another costume-related list I'm on called MedCos; it covers the entire SCA period. It has a website you can access the list through and photo galleries for posting photos of members' garb projects. The site is at: http://slumberland.org/moodle/login/index.php You can just look at the site as a guest but to post you need to register (it's free). I'm the sub-moderator of the Early Period section of the site, and I would be delighted to have more members who are interested in Early Period topics (there's a preponderance of people into 14th-16th century). If you were to join MedCos, I could post pictures of your garb in the Early Period Gallery. :-) There's also a forum called "Show Us Your Stuff!" where people can post a picture of almost any historic garb for comments, constructive (we mean it!) criticism, and related discussion. Come check us out! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 23:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB34fpjG032692 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB34eRJu096188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34eRqi031706; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34eNBq031666 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XBseuXZ5fwvPnDlyXVgL3i2vmWOHjz1leS6NG1Cdr4zfPZRhw2/7W98i7qvAWtmz; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.124] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiPCA-0007zo-PF for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:40:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1BABB6E6-7720-409E-B28C-E943BD785ACF@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:40:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff6803f9842ff69e665a5643d3b29131c557350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.124 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Caroline wrote: > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century > woollen tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and > do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn > hems before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a > month doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel > lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip > stich might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would > probably > be rather bulky. I'm not sure if this will work with the sewing you've already done, but when I was researching my article on seam types found on surviving textiles by far the "standard" wool seam treatment from the iron age through the medieval period seems to have been a fell-type seam. Often these seem to have been designed so that there was never more than three layers of fabric at any one point. But the diagrams at the article may give you some other inspirations. If the wool is fairly springy or has much of a nap, I wouldn't expect the stitches to show unless they're fairly big. On the other hand, you could always treat any visible stitching as a deliberate design element! Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 00:03:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB353VUe000453 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:03:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB352uEi099167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB352sem041471; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB352o5u041444 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:02:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 2305 invoked by uid 16115); 3 Dec 2005 05:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.129.59]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Dec 2005 05:02:49 -0000 Message-ID: <439125AF.2090204@misc.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:57:19 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie References: <000001c5f753$fd5f3ab0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite holiday movie: Nightmare Before Christmas...Sally's patchwork dress is just so perfect for those days you can't decide what color to wear. She's got a cute feisty character, too! Theresa kim baird wrote: > It's called Three Wishes For Cinderella (Tri Orísky pro Popelku), made > in Czechoslovakia in 1973. You can get it from Amazon.com > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:43 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie > > > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 > > magic nuts?' > This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes > in > it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern > europe > fashions two. > Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when > she > goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that > it > wasnt a fashion made that way. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 00:38:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB35cNGq000860 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB35bduW001954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35bZfv056456; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35bUFX056363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB37ClaX001827 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:12:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:40:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 02 December 2005 3:55 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] > Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval Western Europe > -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC -- and I > want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen dyeing > done in this period. But I don't think it's safe to assume from that that > the linen was frequently dyed, and that dyed linen was typically used for > the visible layers of clothing, which is what my focus was in my > earlier post. I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle Ages. However, in an essay published in "Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe" Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic analysis of grave finds at Birka, which indicated that some of the linen fragments found did not come from a shift (i.e. underwear) but from a "caftan" or "mantle"--an outer garment. In a different essay (of which I've read reports but do not have a copy) she has posited that some of the outerwear layer linen fragments belonged to the so-called "apron dress". To my knowledge, however, the Birka linen fragments have not been exposed to the sort of analysis that would enable a determination of whether they had been dyed or not. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 00:50:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB35okPH001004 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:50:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB35oTSw003022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35oR1q061959; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35oOlC061936 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([141.152.140.47]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IQW00M31QVU8FE3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:50:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:48:39 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <01cd01c5f7cd$35fff390$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Of course Linen is not as durable in an extant situation as is wool. Ron Carnegie > > I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle Ages. > However, in an essay published in "Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe" > Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic analysis of grave finds > at Birka, which indicated that some of the linen fragments found did not > come from a shift (i.e. underwear) but from a "caftan" or "mantle"--an > outer garment. In a different essay (of which I've read reports but do > not have a copy) she has posited that some of the outerwear layer linen > fragments belonged to the so-called "apron dress". To my knowledge, > however, the Birka linen fragments have not been exposed to the sort of > analysis that would enable a determination of whether they had been dyed > or not. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 01:56:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB36unhM001725 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB36uErp007502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB36u9Wj089671; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:56:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB36u32x089637 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S0yPBz1gJcNU8zy57YH1G2klwCKuW0TT1ZWBKpgJPQxnYPhJR97R1Xmv3je24NcN; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.124] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiRJS-0007Jh-Mg for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:56:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:56:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff6868695bc439088013338cb654856c53cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.124 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Friday 02 December 2005 3:55 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > [snip] > >> Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval >> Western Europe >> -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC >> -- and I >> want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen >> dyeing >> done in this period. But I don't think it's safe to assume from >> that that >> the linen was frequently dyed, and that dyed linen was typically >> used for >> the visible layers of clothing, which is what my focus was in my >> earlier post. >> > > I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle > Ages. However, in an essay published in "Cloth and Clothing in > Medieval Europe" Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic > analysis of grave finds at Birka, which indicated that some of the > linen fragments found did not come from a shift (i.e. underwear) > but from a "caftan" or "mantle"--an outer garment. In a different > essay (of which I've read reports but do not have a copy) she has > posited that some of the outerwear layer linen fragments belonged > to the so-called "apron dress". To my knowledge, however, the > Birka linen fragments have not been exposed to the sort of analysis > that would enable a determination of whether they had been dyed or > not. It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current standard English term is for the not-an-apron dress.) Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 03:57:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB38vlU1019150 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:57:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB38u3tC016323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB38tuKo041974; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB38tnNq041913 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4850 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 08:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 08:55:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203085202.01d88cc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:55:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments In-Reply-To: <20051203030023.81294.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200512022017.jB2KEYD2017130@net.indra.com> <20051203030023.81294.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:00 03/12/2005, you wrote: >We've had some arguments on the 18cWoman list about dyed linen. >There is definitely evidence for dyed linen being used for gowns, >breeches, jackets, etc. in the 18th c., and these would obviously >have been dyed with natural dyes. > >As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- >well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the >wall (chimney?) of a house. >http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html > >-- Mara Surely there is no problem with linen outer garments in the 17th century? On Thursday I was at the Museum of London again, where I was able to look at a linen bodice embroidered with blackwork, and previously I studied another, earlier bodice, also embroidered linen, from about 1610 - 20 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 04:22:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB39MHFY024143 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 04:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB39LkVM017770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB39LioU051426; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB39LBxl051199 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so747461nzi for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:21:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hsGSAelkg2AEon6jMVaa6rzG4whjEuF0Wn4ktBNDjzWwK8P/TUpy2rIU1jPwI6B6WPrN16SYQGAERZEbsshtTIyHrQlqGzIbEvQ17oYB5gYriNzjx+noHNNZ64JVO6xChvI/qOwVyZNQsbBtAlZhpJVrNJyJ00HlCJp0Lpe3aFU= Received: by 10.65.237.13 with SMTP id o13mr1883377qbr; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:21:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512030121n45f61b17j@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:21:11 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool In-Reply-To: <1BABB6E6-7720-409E-B28C-E943BD785ACF@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> <1BABB6E6-7720-409E-B28C-E943BD785ACF@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB39MHFY024143 Status: RO Thank you Heather - your figures 9 to 12 and 19 through to 21 are most useful. Your figure 14 is essentially what I have done with the linen tunic - but it would be too bulky on the wool I have. I may use number 10 - it looks like the running stich is designed to be seen from the face as Sunny said in an earlier post. Jean I'd forgotton about the felting aspects - you are right we should wash wool only sparingly. Having said that I have a woollen cloak I only ever air and brush becaus it is simply too big to wash. On 03/12/05, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Caroline wrote: > > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century > > woollen tunic > > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and > > do the > > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn > > hems before > > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a > > month doing > > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > > woolly one also by hand. > > > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > > option seems > > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > > allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel > > lines on > > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip > > stich might > > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > > tried. I > > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would > > probably > > be rather bulky. > > I'm not sure if this will work with the sewing you've already done, > but when I was researching my article on seam types found on > surviving textiles archaeologicalsewing/index.html> by far the "standard" wool seam > treatment from the iron age through the medieval period seems to have > been a fell-type seam. Often these seem to have been designed so > that there was never more than three layers of fabric at any one > point. But the diagrams at the article may give you some other > inspirations. > > If the wool is fairly springy or has much of a nap, I wouldn't expect > the stitches to show unless they're fairly big. On the other hand, > you could always treat any visible stitching as a deliberate design > element! > > Heather > > -- > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > http://www.heatherrosejones.com > LJ:hrj > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 08:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3D2uAt005029 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3D1pxe050499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3D1i2E042326; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3D1c7x042287 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ed.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.237]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 173F026280A for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:01:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5f809$b1597070$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:01:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tissue paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that..... Bjarne who now are going to watch swedish television, they have a series of 17th century kingdom, where poor and rich chanllenges eachother. Rich has bathtubs, poor dont even have soap to wash.......... Costumes are ok, but only one of the rich ladies gown fits propperly. It is so difficult to dress a lady in a rented dress with a low cut boatshape bust if it doesnt fit....... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 08:28:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3DSqHx005460 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:28:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3DRx2X054707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DRuWQ053175; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DRrgI053145 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5817C831 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:27:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-121-245.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-121-245.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.121.245]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:27:51 +1100 Message-ID: <1133616471.43919d57ab15a@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:27:51 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Place to Post Pictures of Your Norse Garb (was [h-cost] need some input) References: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jeeze, I gotta start reading more goodly...at first I thought it said Nose Garb... -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 08:50:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3DobVM005964 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3Dnk24056242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DniDX063278; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DnfEr063206 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:49:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.265.15eb1ca (4254) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <265.15eb1ca.30c2fc6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:49:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:02:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that Tissue paper is the thin paper used for wrapping gifts. I would think calico (what we Americans call muslin) would work just as well, if not better. Tissue paper isn't very sturdy and might tear before you were done with your work. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 09:14:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3EEfFX006589 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3EEB71058286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3EE8lK074133; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB3EE3DG074066 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 85565 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 14:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 14:13:58 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203141012.01d86548@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:14:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper In-Reply-To: <265.15eb1ca.30c2fc6a@aol.com> References: <265.15eb1ca.30c2fc6a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:49 03/12/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:02:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > >Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, >cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. >Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that > > >Tissue paper is the thin paper used for wrapping gifts. I would think >calico (what we Americans call muslin) would work just as well, if >not better. >Tissue paper isn't very sturdy and might tear before you were done with your >work. > You could also use plain cotton bias binding, as this is also less likely to tear than tissue. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 11:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3GXDpY010437 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3GWX66070632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3GWTaK038688; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3GWPD5038630 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.252.28ff90e (17228) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <252.28ff90e.30c3228f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:32:15 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 772 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Ah, yes, because of the song "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." Anyone else notice that they re-wrote the lyrics to this song in the 1960s, so it was no longer bittersweet, but just a happy little ditty, that doesn't even make any sense?" My Nana (who brought me up) always used to watch it Christmas - and yes I had noticed they rewrote the lyrics - irritates me every time I hear the new version > "I think you're referring to "Fairy Tale: A True Story"." Yep - that's the one - thanks (I swear, I'd forget my head if it wasn't screwed on :o) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 12:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3HB1q2011644 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3H9Nkn074502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3H9LAG057549; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3H9Hvq057500 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28968 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:35:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:35:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203085202.01d88cc8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > >As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- > >well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the > >wall (chimney?) of a house. > >http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html > > > >-- Mara > > Surely there is no problem with linen outer garments in the 17th > century? On Thursday I was at the Museum of London again, where I was > able to look at a linen bodice embroidered with blackwork, and > previously I studied another, earlier bodice, also embroidered linen, > from about 1610 - 20 I don't think anyone has questioned the existence of linen outer garments from the 16th c. on. The only issue I'm aware of (and the one I summarized in response to the initial query) is whether colored linen was routinely used for the outer, visible layers of fashionable gowns in medieval Western Europe. However, whenever this subject comes up, there's a tendency for the thread to mutate to the point that some read the statement as somehow applying to (a) other times, (b) other places, (c) other garments, (d) the use of linen at all, or (e) the dyeing of linen for any purpose -- none of which should be at issue. Honest, folks, I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't asked me directly why I wasn't intending to use my stash of brightly dyed linen for medieval clothing -- a very specific question and a very specific answer. And I'm still wondering when the strongly-dyed stuff would have become available and fashionable! I'm thinking that I'd better use the cranberry-colored length for a modern dress... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 14:21:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3JLVkt018098 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:21:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3JKucB085299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JKndD024076; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:20:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JKkRM024055 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id F33451BCB55; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:20:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.7.124.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.7.124]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 423D11BCAF9 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:19:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:10:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > Honest, folks, I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't asked me > directly why I wasn't intending to use my stash of brightly dyed linen for > medieval clothing -- a very specific question and a very specific answer. At least for me, the reason I responded with the info I gave was that, to me, this question implies that you see dyed linen as useless for _any_ part of medieval clothing, rather than just for outer layer stuff. If you remove the fabric from your stash, then you can't use it for the reasonably-documentable non-outer-layer uses. I hate to see anyone give up fabric that they could be using! -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 14:44:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3JiS3b018960 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:44:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3Ji3K4088057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JhvSN036247; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3Jhs17035966 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyro@comcast.net) Received: from lightfoot (pcp04615791pcs.gambrl01.md.comcast.net[68.50.121.37]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005120319431301200lm8t2e>; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:43:13 +0000 Message-ID: <07d701c5f827$aa971c10$0400a8c0@lightfoot> From: "Lady Ro" To: References: <200512031900.jB3J07OM013412@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:36:09 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Name the garment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The part over her shoulders is a mantle, and it looks as though she attached it to what I know as a beguine. scroll down you will see some nice hoods here: http://www.medievaldesign.com/cappellieng.html here are some similar to what she is wearing: http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/mediator.exe?L=08100029&I=1&F=C HTH Ro Bright Hills, Atlantia I know in my heart that man is good, that what is right will alway eventually triumph and there is a purpose and worth to each and every life. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 14:55:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3JtkPG019370 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3JtLiS089316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JtEEA041998; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JtA5A041938 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB3Jt6F9003408 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:55:06 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:44:25 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512031900.jB3J07OM013412@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: christmas movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite is "Miracle on 34th Street," although this year I am revisiting my childhood and watching all my favorite holiday specials with my children, who are really enjoying them. Last night was "Santa Claus is Coming to Town." Earlier this week it was "Rudolf." And coming up are "Frosty," "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and "How the Grinch Stole Christmas." No costume content here. My daughter is begging me to buy her "White Christmas," which I've never seen. Gail Finke PS: I remember the first time I saw "Meet Me In St. Louis." I was so shocked by the Christmas song -- it was so sad!!! I can't hear it without thinking of the movie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 15:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3K0Lur019571 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:00:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3JxYH3089703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JxYwG044250; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JxQL6044127 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30369 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:58 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments In-Reply-To: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, E House wrote: > At least for me, the reason I responded with the info I gave was that, > to me, this question implies that you see dyed linen as useless for > _any_ part of medieval clothing, rather than just for outer layer > stuff. If you remove the fabric from your stash, then you can't use > it for the reasonably-documentable non-outer-layer uses. I hate to > see anyone give up fabric that they could be using! Don't worry -- it's only the bright/deep colors I'm not inclined to use. I have a variety of blues, pinks, and peaches, all of which I would use for linings. In any case, the dyeing references you gave were nearly all 16th c., when there does seem to be a lot more use of linen as the visible layers, and thus presumably more inclination to dye it, though there's still the question of intensity and hue. The one that wasn't 16th c. was Italian, again a different culture than what I was talking about. All these are of interest in the general study of linen, certainly, but not much use for my own needs in this case. So, back to the assumption of a limited color palette for any dyed linen that was used in medieval garments. The colors you mentioned earlier (sky blue, brown, off-black), the blue lining in the Golden Gown, and the ones in the extant garments Heather points to (salmon, off-black) are consistent with that assumption. Which leaves me with 8-10 yards or so of screaming red linen, the same of forest green, three yards or so of cranberry... The black I will probably keep and try to wash/bleach down into something more greyish, which probably is not something I could buy. The cranberry might make a modern dress, or a suit... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 17:12:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3MCVcc029737 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3MAuIh000995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3MAsXW011875; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3MAomF011788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NkA2f008335 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:46:11 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:13:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> <74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 03 December 2005 1:56 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the > possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or > hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current > standard English term is for the not-an-apron dress.) You're right, they don't rule out that possibility. Though Hagg's analysis of some of the finds suggest that at least some caftans were lined with silk--a detail I've always found hard to accept in light of the evidence that silk was rare enough to be used for trim. I'm not sure there is a standard English term for the "hanging dress". Most SCA types now call it an "apron dress", for want of a better term. Some people borrow the modern Scandanavian terms "hangerrock" (sorry, I can't put in the proper diacritical marks) or "traggerock." -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:16:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NGh4o006887 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:16:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NG7NH006595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NG2PM046990; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3ANsC4076730 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ed.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.237]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D5DEC262830 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:23:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004701c5f7f3$b3110d80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4390FC10.8060601@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:24:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am looking forwards to see Casanova, because its ben two long that we had an 18th century film last. This photo shows a bad pair of stays. I can se that it is not propperly boned, and why is it they almost always dont bone the tabs probberly............. http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808665919&cf=pg&photoid=592785&intl=us There was also a film i liked called The company of the Warewolf, or something like that. French but two bloody and two much fighting in it. Costumes are very nice though. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume movies >I was surfing http://movies.yahoo.com and noticed a few trailers for >upcoming movies. _Pirates of the Caribbean 2_, of course. _Bloodrayne_, a >fantasy vampire hunter movie, _Casanova_ 18th century Venice? Costumes >look good, but it's not my period. _Memoirs of a Geisha_, visually >appealing though it doesn't sound like the book I read. _The New World_, >the Pocahantas movie. _The White Countess_ set in Shanghai in 1936, looks >like a dramatic romance. > > All the trailers are up for viewing. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHKoY006908 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NGfKu006639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NGeJM047323; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB3Bn3cG012819 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 04:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86602 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 11:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 11:48:57 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203114122.01d25690@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:48:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> <20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London re Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To all who were interested. The Museum of London allows photography in certain galleries, but not, of course, in the Medieval Gallery, which is what I had asked about. I "might" have been able to sneak a couple, but as I am a regular, I don't want to cause waves, and get told I cannot see stuff when I want to. So, I have a very bad drawing done of the stocking foot - bad as I don't understand what I was drawing - I don't knit stockings any more and have forgot all I knew. Anyone who wants a copy, please mail me off list, and I will scan and send. Incidentally, because of the angle of the cases when I tried to get an idea of size of the mitten, I could only get an approximation. It is roughly 4.5" from top to bottom, the vest is roughly 16" from shoulder to hem. Would you believe I forgot to measure the stocking foot? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHcBv006921 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NH6jG006684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NH4v8047532; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DDRuX047241 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 830154736 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:13:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] name that garment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I have no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples and/or patterns. thanks! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHmTL006932 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NHRmt006752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NHRbO047820; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3FdBma013934 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:36:03 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] tissue paper Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:39:05 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004201c5f81f$b1476d10$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203141012.01d86548@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX4E/NOu6/DW5GmRBG/CQnOb0nk0gAC4EOw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2005 15:36:03.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[4519A3B0:01C5F81F] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or perhaps the cotton/medical tape? (Using a Spiral wrap) Might leave adhesive on your good hoop, though. Still better than masking tape... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper At 13:49 03/12/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:02:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > >Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, >cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. >Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that > > >Tissue paper is the thin paper used for wrapping gifts. I would think >calico (what we Americans call muslin) would work just as well, if >not better. >Tissue paper isn't very sturdy and might tear before you were done with your >work. > You could also use plain cotton bias binding, as this is also less likely to tear than tissue. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHxdP006939 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NHbih006782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NHbT2047911; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3GcLm9041289 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.249.2cb7880 (4254) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <249.2cb7880.30c323f3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:38:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 772 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/3/2005 11:33:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: and yes I had noticed they rewrote the lyrics - irritates me every time I hear the new version Went hunting last night and was reminded that James Taylor's 2001 version is almost the original lyrics. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:18:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NI6Fu006945 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NHfaB006803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NHfI3047959; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3Gi02v043851 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.be.355ad078 (17228) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:43:54 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:43:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/3/05 1:05:25 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". > Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? > Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, > cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. No, it's not kitchen paper - it's the stuff that expensive clothes, and breakable things (china, etc) are wrapped in when you buy them (in the UK at least). Picture here: http://www.morplan.com/ProductDisplay/Acid%20Free%20Tissue/84320/16251/656590 The reason to use tissue is that you can use a sheet and treat it as one with the fabric when putting it in the hoop, then tear away the middle bit, so that the work area is uncovered but the edges are still protected. But as long as you were careful when cutting away the middle bit, I don't see why you couldn't use calico. Or even kitchen paper for that matter. The main thing is to have something reasonably soft to stop the hoop making marks on the fabric, (which it does because the tightness of the grip). Also, if you're not using a stand, if you leave a bit of the protective material overlapping the edge where you're holding the frame it'll help to reduce the dirt from your fingers that gets onto the work, thereby meaning less cleaning when you're finished of course. Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 19:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB401ndA008787 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:01:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB401ME3010514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB401L1k069843; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB401IHL069789 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id A6406A0C39; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.1.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.1.3]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5509BA091F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <008201c5f865$d687b350$8d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:01:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is also that mid-15thC Nuernberg Kunstbuch dye recipe, which does get a bit closer to your culture of interest. But yeah, the screaming red linen and the other might not work so great, it sounds like. I did find one or two references to accessories (like that purse) of red linen, and household hangings in bright colors of linen, but it seems like brightly dyed linen would have been reserved for something that wouldn't need washing or wouldn't be capable of bleeding onto more delicate fabrics. I also got the impression, though certainly no solid proof of this theory, that the brightly dyed household linens would have been linen imitations of more expensive forms of fabric like damask, rather than the simple plain-weave stuff we generally have on hand. And to slightly change the topic, I'm now very interested in this: Black, waxed full linen lining of a Burgundian man's coat (mid 15thc), Textile Conservation. Flury-Lemberg, Mechthild. Schriften Der Abegg-Stiftung, Bern, 1988. pp. 156-157. especially given the recent discussion on here about refreshing the wax coating on something. Does anyone have any insights on this? Any indication of how common it might have been to wax a lining? It does seem like a reasonable precaution for a coat, now that I think about it, but I'm curious as to how common it was (whether done with black linen or with any other fabric). I'm also curious as to how they would have actually done the waxing! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:03:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB413pCa016841 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:03:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB413Ens015738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4138t4098874; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB412Wdx098619 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB40stk28176 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:54:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000e01c5f86f$58d77260$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:09:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cranberry colored linen would go very well for a modern dress for you, given your coloring , but if you just can't bring yourself to do it, feel free to send it to me! I would imagine that you'd have to coordinate several different tracks of thought--increased use of linen as outer garments, cross-referenced with times when strong, bright colors were fashionable, and then further refine it by the colors you own. I've got a whole bolt of pin-striped linen (black with narrow, white stripe) that I'm going to make into some sort of modern outfit some day. Just couldn't resist buying it, even though I had no (SCA) use for it. Ditto the bolt of linen with the mustard/gold background and 18th centuryish print on it that I got cheap. Might be okay for some 18th century stuff, but I don't *do* the 18th century! (lol!) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments > > And I'm still wondering when the strongly-dyed stuff would have become > available and fashionable! I'm thinking that I'd better use the > cranberry-colored length for a modern dress... > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB41FwEa018876 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:15:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB41FGNI016855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41FFCW004445; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41FBNg004400 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB417Vk00491 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:07:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com><74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:21:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here are either "apron gown" or "apron dress." "Apron gown" more commonly. Interesting, isn't it? how some words transfer into English (like "naalbinding"), and others do not.... --Maire, off to knit a shawl and listen to the radio, while the snow comes down on the dark streets outside, and the cats sleep on the hearth rug..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) > On Saturday 03 December 2005 1:56 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > [snip] > > It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the > > possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or > > hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current > > standard English term is for the not-an-apron dress.) > > > You're right, they don't rule out that possibility. Though Hagg's analysis of > some of the finds suggest that at least some caftans were lined with silk--a > detail I've always found hard to accept in light of the evidence that silk > was rare enough to be used for trim. > > I'm not sure there is a standard English term for the "hanging dress". Most > SCA types now call it an "apron dress", for want of a better term. Some > people borrow the modern Scandanavian terms "hangerrock" (sorry, I can't put > in the proper diacritical marks) or "traggerock." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB41MV8S019214 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB41MFYQ017284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41MDCC007578; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41MAxp007548 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8AD491BCA64; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.195.101.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.195.101]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D6461BCAC8 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00ab01c5f871$076d6590$8d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1><20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051203114122.01d25690@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London re Photos Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:21:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I definitely wouldn't want you to sneak photos on my behalf! But thanks for letting us know about the neat stuff they have. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB41sY43024637 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:54:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB41sHZ7019955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41sFkx021908; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41sB4a021846 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d6.3322cbad (25711) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:54:04 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] previous messages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just to say sorry, as I noticed when I got my last digest that I hadn't changed the titles - (sorry). See, like I said - head - screwed on! Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 21:23:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB42N8ij029414 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB42MUmu022090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB42MPwX034770; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB42MMFT034743 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=PDKGguyajrPjD9ADJ8wF2tvDjcgOfcslTl0JmCf8LzlMdA8jZk6cjbFNQR6d3IN3; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.27] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EijW8-0005xd-RZ for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <016d01c5f879$8c816a30$1b399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4390FC10.8060601@reddawn.net> <004701c5f7f3$b3110d80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bfaa6b7bd201ade6b229e406162a7089e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.27 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > There was also a film i liked called The company of the Warewolf, or > something like that. French but two bloody and two much fighting in it. > Costumes are very nice though. If it was released only a couple of years ago, you probably mean "Le Pacte des Loups", released in the US as "Brotherhood of the Wolf". You're right about the blood and the fighting; it is, more or less, an 18th c martial arts movie. (But I like those...) And it did have some nice eye candy... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 22:32:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB43W5Bo032322 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB43VUvm027416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43VQE0069592; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43VLX3069499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB456hCH017613 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:06:43 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:34:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com> <004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512032234.23017.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 03 December 2005 8:21 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here > are either "apron gown" or "apron dress." "Apron gown" more commonly. I never heard "apron gown" before, though it makes as much sense as anything else. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 22:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB43aZg3032382 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:36:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB43a88Y027784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43a8wr072438; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43a28i072381 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 28056367AA for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:36:02 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:36:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- I don't think anyone has questioned the existence of linen outer garments from the 16th c. on. The only issue I'm aware of (and the one I summarized in response to the initial query) is whether colored linen was routinely used for the outer, visible layers of fashionable gowns in medieval Western Europe. However, whenever this subject comes up, there's a tendency for the thread to mutate to the point that some read the statement as somehow applying to (a) other times, (b) other places, (c) other garments, (d) the use of linen at all, or (e) the dyeing of linen for any purpose -- none of which should be at issue. Honest, folks, I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't asked me directly why I wasn't intending to use my stash of brightly dyed linen for medieval clothing -- a very specific question and a very specific answer. And I'm still wondering when the strongly-dyed stuff would have become available and fashionable! I'm thinking that I'd better use the cranberry-colored length for a modern dress... --Robin I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten path I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed linen for outerwear. My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore is one of the reasons that extent garments made of linen have not been found yet in the Medieval Western Europe. You also have the garments used until rags and then sometimes became paper. Anyhow, this has been an interesting and informative discussion. Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 23:24:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB44OXno000599 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:24:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB44NpJj032373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44NmQl099315; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44Nk4E099248 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3D7E3 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB43FB43 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:23:37 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] name that garment Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C666@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] name that garment Thread-Index: AcX4PWRJajnKDgeQTtON19aPi38oIgATIjpw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 04:23:36.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EEFB0A0:01C5F88A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB44Nk4E099248 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! > http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 > > I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the > woman in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. It's a hood, or medieval hood. Sometimes it's called a lirpipe (sp?) if there is a long tail hanging off the back of the head. Though that term mutates to mean a (usually man's) rolled hat with a tail hanging down. If you need a pattern Medieval Miscellanea has an easy one. If you want a very period pattern the pattern chapter of the Museum of London _Clothing and Textiles_ has one. Hope that helps! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 23:29:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB44TCSD000669 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB44SmBN032878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44SmKN001587; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB44SiwJ001555 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24481 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 20:27:43 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24461, pid: 24462, t: 0.8331s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 20:27:42 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051203202003.030d5eb0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:28:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Survival of linen vs. wool, was RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:36 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >[snip] >I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten path >I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed linen for >outerwear. >My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore is one >of the reasons that extent garments made of linen have not been found yet in >the Medieval Western Europe. You also have the garments used until rags and >then sometimes became paper. >Anyhow, this has been an interesting and informative discussion. >Thank you, >De The issue is not that linen degrades faster than wool, but that the two fabrics survive under different conditions. What preserves wool (acidic conditions like the bog burials) literally dissolves linen; what preserves linen (basic, anaerobic conditions, like the Swiss lake deposits), destroys wool. About the only way both would survive would be to find them in extremely dry, arid conditions (which could be from a hot dry climate, like Egypt, or a cold dry climate, like Urumchi) or in frozen sites, like some of the fantastic sites in Mongolia (can't remember the names offhand, and the books have hidden themselves). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 23:48:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB44mhQg000960 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB44mHhG036165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44mDg5012649; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44mAIJ012594 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01726 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:14:43 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:14:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/back to medieval In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten > path I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed > linen for outerwear. > My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore > is one of the reasons that extent garments made of linen have not been > found yet in the Medieval Western Europe. You also have the garments > used until rags and then sometimes became paper. I wouldn't base the assumption just on the archaeological evidence, for exactly that reason -- not nearly enough scope of survivals to generalize about most things, not just this point. But the documentary evidence -- wills, inventories, sales records, domestic manuals, sumptuary laws, guild regulations, shipping records, letters, literature, poetry, chronicles, legal cases -- paint a pretty clear picture of what fibers are being made, sold, and used, and for what purposes. I place a lot of faith in these! There's loads of linen mentioned in these documents, but it generally appears in household and industrial uses, as well as very specific clothing uses such as underwear, caps, aprons, eccesiastical garments. References to fashionable/everyday clothing are overwhelmingly to wool, wool, wool (for all classes) and some silk (for the wealthy), and occasional blends that might have been part linen or cotton in cases, but otherwise wool or silk. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 00:22:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB45MgkJ001387 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB45MNJi042602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB45MLWe031907; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB45MHFA031836 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 38967688 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:38:55 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:23:12 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5f892$d2c44940$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO De wrote: "My perspective is that linen degrades faster than wool and therefore is one of the reasons that extant garments made of linen have not been found yet in the Medieval Western Europe. " I don't think that's true. Some of the oldest clothing in existence is linen from Egyptian tombs. Environmental conditions have more to do with whether a textile is preserved than the fiber it's made of. Kim _ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 08:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4DScmr021851 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:28:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4DRscP098685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DRmME029027; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DRj80028961 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:27:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4392EF6D.9040408@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:30:21 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Place to Post Pictures of Your Norse Garb (was [h-cost] need some input) References: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> <1133616471.43919d57ab15a@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1133616471.43919d57ab15a@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 13:27:40.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[8013FAD0:01C5F8D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You aren't alone! :-D stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: >Jeeze, I gotta start reading more goodly...at first I thought it said Nose >Garb... > >-C. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 08:40:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Dej33022187 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:40:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4DdvMe099530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DdtMh033665; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ddp1V033599 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4392F244.6040905@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:42:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 13:39:47.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[313C0A90:01C5F8D8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Caution when sending your Secret Santa gift! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Watch out! I inadvertently opened my Secret Santa gift yesterday assuming it was something I had ordered and forgotten about. (Yes it happens to me all to often). It might be advisable to write "do not open till x mass" or "H-Costume Secret Santa" on your outer package. Also, unfortunately mine wasn't wrapped and the accompanying note described the enclosed, absolutely beautiful, and beautifully crafted gift. So if you are like me and want to be surprised on Christmas morning be careful opening packages in the next few weeks! I won't reveal my Santa or the nature of the gift until after Christmass, but needless to say this was a great idea and a lot of fun on both the giving and receiving end for me! To my Secret Santa-please don't take this as criticism-I love what you have sent me and just wanted to caution others. :-* Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 08:48:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Dm2MO022344 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Dlcid000238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Dlbwj036874; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:47:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DlY5S036846 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m236.in-tch.com [216.166.191.236]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB4Dduk10049 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001e01c5f8da$37c14860$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com><004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512032234.23017.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:54:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO SCA regionalism, I'm guessing. Local custom/usage doesn't refer to the other articles of clothing as a "dress," either, but as a "gown/undergown" (women) or "tunic/undertunic" (both genders). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) > On Saturday 03 December 2005 8:21 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here > > are either "apron gown" or "apron dress." "Apron gown" more commonly. > > I never heard "apron gown" before, though it makes as much sense as anything > else. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 10:42:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4FgEwP024577 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Ffa0M010258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4FfX97083776; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4FfU2o083747 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.254]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A33C47FEF0 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm At the bottom............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:26:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GQI9Y025524 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GOZrq021493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:24:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GOXdP006359; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:24:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GOU1a006304 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:24:25 -0800 Message-ID: <439318DA.5040905@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:27:06 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:24:25.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[312A5FE0:01C5F8EF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As usual-beautiful work. I have a question. It looks like you chose to allow the edge of the sleeve to fray a little under the white trim. Did you do anything to stop the fraying past a certian point? I guess the sewing on the trim would stop it huh? Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for > showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. > They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > At the bottom............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GUZe9025619 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GPUVH021630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GPUdZ006777; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4GPRBJ006749 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 13276 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 08:24:26 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13262, pid: 13264, t: 3.7016s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 08:24:22 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204082109.03876450@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:25:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves In-Reply-To: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:41 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote: >As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me >for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. >They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >At the bottom............. > >Bjarne As usual, very pretty, Bjarne! Very inspiring. All these lovely embroidered clothes are encouraging me to get a slate frame to use for future Elizabethan clothing. I just need to decide how big it needs to be. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:34:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GYTeh025661 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:34:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GRRsj021889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GRRc5007700; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GRNsk007682 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF3E3FF80 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb13.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4383ccfe.86e9a for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDkxjqp8AxVAIAAAAB,2454205970d1d5276823d403d669ec4f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] Message-Id: <20051204082723.BAD007B7@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mind? You have got to be kidding. We love to see your beautiful work. I can't even begin to imagine how many hours you have spent on this fabulous gown. You are a true artist and I feel privileged to see your work in such detail. Thank you so much for sharing!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:27 +0100 To: Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm At the bottom............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:35:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GZOj4025672 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:35:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GZ2jM022833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GYxnK011869; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GYvrv011824 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: <43931B4D.3020605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:37:33 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:34:52.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6C56140:01C5F8F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of lingerie exhibit. They have an early American (1780) corset on display that has a feature I have a question about. The corset laces up the back, but across the front (now only on the point mostly) there are some very fine cords laced at very close distances (~3 mm) to one another. You can see that they extended all the way up the front at one time. The cord is a little thicker than upholstery thread and has been drawn through the fabric with a needle. The holes are not reinforced in anyway so I assume it didn't take much stress. Also in several areas on this corset and one from the 1890's there are areas up near the bustline where there are threads about 2 inches long which almost look like warp threads that have been purposely left out of the weaving. I am not sure how they do this because these threads run at a diagonal. On the later corset there are two sets which cross each other. They are the same plain white as the rest of the corset...I wonder if they had a function. On a corset of an even later period they appear as decorations in a contrasting color in "X's" here and there. The literature says they thought those were sexy??? Any thoughts? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:36:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GaX8n025693 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:36:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GaCoP022962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GaCsZ012471; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ga8Wc012369 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: <43931B95.20200@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:38:45 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:36:04.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[D176F200:01C5F8F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can any of you direct me to a text which might discuss in some detail the offices of maids of honor, ladies in waiting, privy and bedchambers in some detail? Thanks _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 12:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4H6ehI026234 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4H3vbf025650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4H3ssJ026359; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4H3pIk026319 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 19149 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 17:02:36 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:02:36 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:07:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1128.67.188.164.116.1133716022.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43931B4D.3020605@msn.com> References: <43931B4D.3020605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:07:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of lingerie > exhibit. They have an early American (1780) corset on display that has > a feature I have a question about. The corset laces up the back, but > across the front (now only on the point mostly) there are some very fine > cords laced at very close distances (~3 mm) to one another. You can see > that they extended all the way up the front at one time. The cord is a > little thicker than upholstery thread and has been drawn through the > fabric with a needle. The holes are not reinforced in anyway so I > assume it didn't take much stress. Maybe the lady did it because she got pregnant and needed more "room". Then she stitched it back together afterward? Just a guess... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 12:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Hhl7X027201 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:43:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4HhHPl029312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HhFH3047008; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HhBAx046981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-60.sonic.net [209.148.114.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HgcwY007398 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:42:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there a print catalog for that exhibit? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: > We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of > lingerie exhibit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 12:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4HxQ9O027554 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4HwaeA031224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HwYw9054274; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HwUQh054207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4HwQwS013576 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.55 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49685.64.156.242.55.1133719109.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> References: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is something we see on some stays of the 1780s and 90s - the functional lacing is in back, and there is a lacing with smaller holes (less reinforcement on the holes) from the waist up. It looks like a bustline adjustment, but some of them are lined so you really can't adjust it. Diderot shows pregnancy stays that are back lacing, with additional laced openings from the bottom to within an inch or so of the armscye. It's for adjustment, and I have not seen a set of extant stays made that way to know if the lacing holes are reinforced. It seems that the reinforcement is needed for the every day lacing holes - having a cord or tape dragged through them every time you put them on. Adjustment lacings are just that - occasionally adjusted, but not unlaced each time. Does that fit with what you saw? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 13:38:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4IcnE8028477 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4IbBcn034646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ib8C2075551; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GbJ0o012935 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:37:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43931BDC.4010608@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:39:56 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves-slate frame?? References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.2.20051204082109.03876450@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204082109.03876450@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:37:14.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBBAF3E0:01C5F8F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How is a slate frame used? Joan Jurancich wrote: > > All these lovely embroidered clothes are encouraging me to get a slate > frame to use for future Elizabethan clothing. I just need to decide > how big it needs to be. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 13:39:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Id4Pf028488 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:39:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Icjxm035002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4IcjVT076558; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4GbTHS013044 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail24.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3GG36AL8ZQNS for (sender ); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBDY6HD7; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:36:22 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:36:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:36:03 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051204.083622.24839.35748@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:31125938 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xVMyiK3nQdLXNnxoN/QJAdz4No/4SeQig== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.164|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB4Id4Pf028488 Status: RO Absolutely gogeous, Bjarne! Yellow usually isn't a color I like, but in this case I'd make an exception. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 13:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4IqdbR028749 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Il7fR036193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Il6DN082275; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Il1Fh082156 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:46:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43933A40.9050305@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:49:36 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions References: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> <49685.64.156.242.55.1133719109.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49685.64.156.242.55.1133719109.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 18:46:55.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[19415FA0:01C5F903] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > Does that fit with what you saw? > That could be. They were so tiny and close together. >Lavolta Press wrote: Is there a print catalog for that exhibit? >Unfortuanaly there is no catalog, but I know the curator personally. Maybe I could go see it and take some photos up close. > >Maybe the lady did it because she got pregnant and needed more "room". >Then she stitched it back together afterward? Just a guess... > >Diana > > Well, except the back looked way too high and broad.... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 14:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4JnjSV030079 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Jn09B042532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4JmsoH018627; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Jmmub018542 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24773.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.115]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D048247FE8B for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:48:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c5f90b$bf77c0a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:48:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace, The warp threads as you describes are stitched on. Some corsets had horizontal boning to make shape, and the stitching of these bone channels are visible at the front part of the stays. The lacing you have seen on the front is purely decorative, for the looks. The x stiches also are made for decorative purpose, but they also help to reinforce the stays. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions > We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of lingerie > exhibit. They have an early American (1780) corset on display that has a > feature I have a question about. The corset laces up the back, but across > the front (now only on the point mostly) there are some very fine cords > laced at very close distances (~3 mm) to one another. You can see that > they extended all the way up the front at one time. The cord is a little > thicker than upholstery thread and has been drawn through the fabric with > a needle. The holes are not reinforced in anyway so I assume it didn't > take much stress. > > Also in several areas on this corset and one from the 1890's there are > areas up near the bustline where there are threads about 2 inches long > which almost look like warp threads that have been purposely left out of > the weaving. I am not sure how they do this because these threads run at > a diagonal. On the later corset there are two sets which cross each > other. They are the same plain white as the rest of the corset...I wonder > if they had a function. On a corset of an even later period they appear > as decorations in a contrasting color in "X's" here and there. The > literature says they thought those were sexy??? > > Any thoughts? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 14:53:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4JrNvU030178 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:53:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4JqutV042978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Jqu5m021080; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4JqqTr021038 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24773.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.115]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AED7A47FEBB for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:52:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c5f90c$5908a630$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:53:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Debbie, Now i understand. Many thanks for your informations. You know we call this paper silk paper in Denmark because the ships that carried silks from china had them wrapped with this paper. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 > In a message dated 12/3/05 1:05:25 PM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >> Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". >> Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? >> Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, >> cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. > > No, it's not kitchen paper - it's the stuff that expensive clothes, and > breakable things (china, etc) are wrapped in when you buy them (in the UK > at > least). > > Picture here: > http://www.morplan.com/ProductDisplay/Acid%20Free%20Tissue/84320/16251/656590 > > The reason to use tissue is that you can use a sheet and treat it as one > with > the fabric when putting it in the hoop, then tear away the middle bit, so > that the work area is uncovered but the edges are still protected. > > But as long as you were careful when cutting away the middle bit, I don't > see > why you couldn't use calico. Or even kitchen paper for that matter. > > The main thing is to have something reasonably soft to stop the hoop > making > marks on the fabric, (which it does because the tightness of the grip). > Also, > if you're not using a stand, if you leave a bit of the protective material > overlapping the edge where you're holding the frame it'll help to reduce > the dirt > from your fingers that gets onto the work, thereby meaning less cleaning > when > you're finished of course. > > Debbie. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 15:04:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4K4vsR030561 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4K4Ujh044084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4K4O4c027640; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4K3ZZQ027151 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB4K3WF9000022 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:03:32 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:52:39 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512041800.jB4I0G1j055184@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne: Those sleeves are so perfectly sweet! I wish that just once in my life I could wear such a beautiful thing. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 15:18:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4KIqjL030850 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:18:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4KIMrb046318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4KIL2Q037373; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4KIHrL037312 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24773.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.115]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 364EF26286E for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:18:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003d01c5f90f$e7050a20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:18:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Gail, Thanks a lot, well yes i like them as well. I hope the lady i make it for, will remember to send me a picture with the dress. You know, i have made for many people now, but the only person who actually kept their promise was the wedding dress i made for Xenia, It is quite another story to see it on a real person. Unfortunately i cant work as speedy as i used to, also because of the winter season. When i get home from work its dark, and i am tired and dont have energy to pick up the work. So i only gets to make something of the dress in weekends. But now i have made the bodice with lining and pleated the back of the dress, so there is not long way till it is finished........... Baught some books with purses and bags, boy you just waite till i have sended this dress away, bags and purses are going to be made.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves > > Bjarne: > > Those sleeves are so perfectly sweet! I wish that just once in my life I > could wear such a beautiful thing. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 15:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Ktcv9031654 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Kt3CT050292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ksx4U059932; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ksubi059907 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB4KlEk07919 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:47:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c5f915$e9a8a420$bcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:01:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nope, but I'd sure enjoy lurking if someone else does! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? > Can any of you direct me to a text which might discuss in some detail > the offices of maids of honor, ladies in waiting, privy and bedchambers > in some detail? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 16:04:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4L4Xvg031855 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:04:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4L3Ds2051132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4L3BFN064477; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4L39bc064462 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB4KtVk09558 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:55:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003f01c5f917$11c64e20$bcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:09:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, I'm a 100% with you on that wish, Gail. I'm not a "pretty clothes" sort of person, generally, and certainly don't have a physique that would do such a gown justice, but oh, it's beautiful. I'd think anyone wearing such a dress couldn't help but feel like a queen. --Sue in snowy Montana, sighing in envy..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves > > Bjarne: > > Those sleeves are so perfectly sweet! I wish that just once in my life I > could wear such a beautiful thing. > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 16:51:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4LpD33000354 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4LoqmP055376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4LonXr090243; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4LokGS090167 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 58399 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 21:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAX.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@68.95.252.94 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 21:50:40 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051204154432.02276340@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:48:43 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment In-Reply-To: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:13 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 > >I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman >in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. > > >I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I >have no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples >and/or patterns. > >thanks! Yes, as Ro and Sunny said, it is a hood/mantle. It kpredates the first picture in most paintings, and is usually seen on women. The ones without buttons are the ones seen on men. I think it has to do with the fact that a woman would not want to pull a hood over her hair, while a man would be less concerned with messing up his locks. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 17:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4MjfMJ001337 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:45:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4MjFTY060357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4MjCGk016579; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:45:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Mj8SI016545 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:45:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:45:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.2] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512031304.jB3D1kLG042339@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:45:06 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 22:45:06.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FB4F200:01C5F924] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Just for fun... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this stuff into a form that would be useful. This is a test page. Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm I'd appreciate any suggestions. marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 18:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4NSkNf002133 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4NSQ4h064414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NSLtx038496; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4NSH7Z038460 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22986 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 15:27:00 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22969, pid: 22972, t: 2.1646s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 15:26:58 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204150116.0386c900@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:28:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:38 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote: >Can any of you direct me to a text which might discuss in some >detail the offices of maids of honor, ladies in waiting, privy and >bedchambers in some detail? > >Thanks I'm not aware of any single text that lays out this sort of information. From what information I have seen, there is a great deal of overlap amongst the duties of the various "offices". Basically, the maids of honor are young women of gentle or noble birth (sometimes as young as 14) who tend to the more public services; for example, carrying the Queen's prayer book when accompanying her to chapel, carrying her cup, serving at meals, etc. The maids of honor were often placed at court to find a husband (always tricky since the Queen considered all of her ladies and gentlewomen part of her "family" and disliked changes; her permission was needed to allow the young woman to marry). They were also expected to be able to read (aloud), dance, sing, and play musical instruments; these skills were useful in providing entertainment for the Queen in her own chambers. Ladies in waiting (noblewomen, married or widowed) and gentlewomen in waiting (of gentle but not noble birth, some unmarried, some married) provided more personal services in the Queen's bedchamber (the most private) and the privy chamber (the first public chambers; the Queen often met with ambassadors there). They would get her up in the morning, help her dress, do her hair, put on makeup, etc. At various times, different ladies would be assigned as record keepers for jewels, books, some clothes, etc. However, there were no rigid lines between the various tasks performed by the various offices. Some of the sources I have found useful are Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, the many biographies of Elizabeth I, Wives and Daughters, and any references that discuss the organization of the Court under the Tudors. If anyone does find other useful sources, I'd love it if they would post them here. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 18:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4NTR7e002148 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4NT8kv064453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NT73d038889; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NT4su038860 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E06D7C8DE for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:29:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:29:01 +1100 Message-ID: <1133738941.43937bbd7670b@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:29:01 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <439318DA.5040905@msn.com> In-Reply-To: <439318DA.5040905@msn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My Sunday afternoon with Stanley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, here's a tip for anyone in Melbourne, Australia, before January 9: ACMI (Australian Centre for Moving Image) is staging a Stanley Kubrick retrospective including props, costumes, scripts, notes, sketches and clips ranging from making-ofs to movie scenes. Included in the display are: Olivier's white armour from Spartacus (they had sewing machines in ancient Rome?); Senator's costume from Spartacus (with some interesting moth-hole patching); A selection of frock coats and gowns from Barry Lyndon (including a redcoat uniform had some interesting "repair" distressing here and there); Hooded Cape and masks from Eyes Wide Shut; Full ape, an ape mask, silver spacesuit and pack, and red space helmet from 2001; "Born to Kill" army helmet; and Plenty of others from the movies. There are lots of props, costume accessories, original costume sketches, reproductions of several costumes including Clockwork Orange pieces, set models (the miniature of the centrifuge still works!), and a great look at the obsessive research the director undertook (5 foot tall stack of books on Napoleon for an unrealised project, for instance, along with dozens of Empire/Regency sketches). The nice thing about the displays is most are on podiums, not behind glass so you can get your nose right up to them so long as you do not touch. The display is in conjuction with a couple of collections including Kubrick's estate so there are some hard-to-see inclusions. I know, I know, you'd prefer a considered review but hell, it's Monday morning and I am too busy avoiding clients to be in one place for too long. Maybe one day - - - -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 18:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4NvMc0002621 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4NupkR067484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NunD4052813; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4NukVh052774 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65913 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2005 23:56:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CWyDI5H0KCldzMjnhQ839v6ap7L2Wycw9O7jbsRnwVW9LW1cBVeLhXCG4AZ2JRGY0jwaxOTYAdQcw6wL5STJtYvL9JOjs81MyK175f0C1J8WPYIhJ+y6TvL+nlm67i31E/dPrbwinG+aWLW90LQw548Z7AC5nkIyOshSqbHrDnk= ; Message-ID: <20051204235641.65911.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:56:41 PST Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512041802.jB4I0G1k055184@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: finished sleaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Absolutely gorgeous!! Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:27 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm At the bottom............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 20:08:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB518hla004326 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB517qtV074646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB517nbC088095; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB517jbO088057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-26-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.26]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jB517gZm024733 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:07:44 +1100 Message-ID: <00a701c5f938$4c4df770$1af0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:07:42 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves > As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for > showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. > They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > At the bottom............. > > Bjarne > Wow! I can't wait to see the end result. Looking at such beautiful work makes me wish I had the patience for that sort of embroidery, but I can't even do simple blackwork because I get bored halfway through and put it away in a box for months on end. Making a dress is different I can see the results much faster and it's too big to be put in a box and forgotten. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 20:13:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB51D5J3004393 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB51CWa5075216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB51CVv4090628; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ns.partiallysane.com (ns2.partiallysane.com [69.0.209.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB51CSh0090556 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from laptoptraci (c-67-173-192-16.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [67.173.192.16]) by ns.partiallysane.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id jB51CLYe024969 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:12:22 -0600 Message-ID: <004701c5f937$4d046ba0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00a701c5f938$4c4df770$1af0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:00:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow. That has got to be one of the most beautiful gowns I have ever seen! I can't wait to see it finished! XxX, Traci ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves > As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for > showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. > They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > At the bottom............. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 20:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB51x522005089 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB51wgK7079893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB51wdJm014848; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB51wZFj014791 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22651 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 17:57:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22640, pid: 22644, t: 1.7498s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 17:57:31 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204175543.03875d60@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:58:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just for fun... In-Reply-To: References: <200512031304.jB3D1kLG042339@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:45 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote: >As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage >materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really >catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this >stuff into a form that would be useful. > >This is a test page. > >Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm > >I'd appreciate any suggestions. > >marc It looks pretty good so far. It would be useful to be able to search by dates and by type of item. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 21:16:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB52GXjA005369 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:16:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB52G0Be081440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52Ftfl024228; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52FpoN024198 for ; 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Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB52vmhg085269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52vjm5047334; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52vdGA047222 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AC9D027C; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:57:33 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 4 Dec 2005 21:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c5f947$d12cde20$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200511301716.jAUHGBwt096944@net.indra.com> <002701c5f670$70f67fe0$6401a8c0@pericles> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:ironing/pressing Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:58:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am a bit behind with this thread, but besides the ordinary press cloth, there are some new tech stuff that helps to handle the pressing needs of contemporary fibers. All of these I originally discovered in the Clotilde catalogue. 1. A teflon pressing sheet about 14x24". This is wonderful if you are trying to use any of the bonding fibers. It will take a fairly high heat. (Be sure and not store it absentmindedly with other heaps of Plastic) 2. There is a nylon(?) or maybe teflon mesh sheet about the same size as the above item. It is bound in blue, but looks something like a mesh laundry bag for delicate. This is a favorite for wools, rayon crepes, other delicate fabrics like polychiffon. It allows you to see exactly what you are trying to press, prevents shininess or scorching. 3.A special cloth for press ing trousers or such is a treated cloth that looks like any odd piece of cotton broadcloth but helps especially when changing press lines on hems. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] re:ironing/pressing > > Hello, > I've had good results ironing wool using a square of damp lightweight cotton > over the top. I keep pieces of old sheets for the purpose. Also stops the > fabric going shiny. > I love ironing, especially linen! > regards > Joy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53HBHs006288 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53GbmB087066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53GYwo057226; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53GVxI057114 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A10802E0; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:16:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 4 Dec 2005 22:16:18 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c5f94a$73ac6060$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:17:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 > magic nuts?' > This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in > it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe > fashions two. > Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she > goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it > wasnt a fashion made that way. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:21:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53LjMq006370 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:21:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53LQOU087754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53LOmh060257; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53LKRS060212 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [63.40.226.56] (1Cust56.tnt4.dca5.da.uu.net [63.40.226.56]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53LCcG027893 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:21:13 -0800 Message-ID: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:21:21 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] commercial serger use X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks, I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? Thanks in advance, Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:38:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53cJZH006608 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:38:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53bpwR089259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53bn42068707; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53bkvY068683 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-71-0-5-73.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [71.0.5.73]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8670C32C018 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] commercial serger use Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:37:18 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB53bkvY068683 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's older than you think! Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ >From the Smithsonian: http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF /single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not commercial production. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:38:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53cMm4006611 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:38:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53c4Yl089287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53c4Cr068843; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53c1Wv068808 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.178] (acty1178.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.178]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFDA5C52B for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:37:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4393B613.2000007@dandy.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:37:55 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] !5th Century coat References: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Roscelin. You might want to try and contact the Companie of Saynte George, since they put the book together based on their research on 15th cent. clothing. They are nice folks as well as top notch reenactors and researchers. Cheers, Mike T. roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:51:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53ps3B006775 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53pZ72090549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53pZv4076777; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53pVoQ076722 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [63.40.226.56] (1Cust56.tnt4.dca5.da.uu.net [63.40.226.56]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53pL6I029849 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:51:22 -0800 Message-ID: <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:51:29 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolann Schmitt wrote: > It's older than you think! > > Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ > >>From the Smithsonian: > http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF > /single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company > > The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not > commercial production. very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started (especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Thanks. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 23:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB54RBxB007328 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:27:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB54QdaI094255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB54Qa3q096373; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB54QXn1096238 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 40495 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 04:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 04:26:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4393C173.3040708@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:26:27 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Judy Mitchell wrote: > Carolann Schmitt wrote: > >> It's older than you think! >> >> Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ >> >>> From the Smithsonian: >> >> http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF >> >> /single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company >> >> The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not >> commercial production. > > > very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had > wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started > (especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have > no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor > (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Well, the local dealers might know more than you think. A long time ago, when I worked for a store selling both Viking and Bernina, we had to learn the history of our respective brands. I attempted to sell Bernina (only lasted a week or two but managed to sell myself on them) Of course, the history lessons might have been peculiar to that store. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 02:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB57dkYD018629 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB57dBTH009154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB57d68e088780; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB57d0x8088745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 3132 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 23:39:01 -0800 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust76.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO jon) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 23:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c5f96e$fbaa7be0$6401a8c0@ntlworld.com> From: To: References: <200512031301.jB3D1kLF042339@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:39:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Was the film 'Company of Wolves', Bjarne? regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 04:43:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB59hQ1T013521 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:43:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB59h0tc019175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB59gu5g044957; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB59gq8b044901 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB59gjV10934.; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:42:46 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:42:45 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:42:37 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB59gq8b044901 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Coming late into this discussion, I was going to say that my Swedish dictionary gives "silkespapper" for "tissue paper". Interesting to know the reason for the name. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 04/12/2005 19:53 >>> Hi Debbie, Now i understand. Many thanks for your informations. You know we call this paper silk paper in Denmark because the ships that carried silks from china had them wrapped with this paper. Bjarne ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:18:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BIcTn000896 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5BI0qi040615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BHtjw089564; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BHpW1089484 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.ee1212a (17377) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:17:41 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.ee1212a.30c57bd5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:17:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/4/2005 10:51:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judymitch@theoldforest.net writes: but they have no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Maybe not, but they might know how to contact the "home office." Our local Bernina dealer was very knowledgeable and had even been to the Bernina plant in Switzerland several times. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BR5Uq004410 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:27:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5BQa4H041224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BQYub094000; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BQVrr093912 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:26:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.68.59.113 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:26:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.59.113] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:24:45 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 11:26:25.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA2730D0:01C5F98E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB5BR5Uq004410 Status: RO Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:34:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BY5p2006959 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:34:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5BXl8i041520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:33:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BXkgW097209; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BXeoG097116 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28a.157e60c (17377) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:33:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:27:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nancy_kiel@hotmail.com writes: Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) I know this is a huge job, but you might consider taking pieces and making some kind of quilt for yourself, to preserve the memories. Putting the fabric out to air might help the smell. And sometimes, individually ugly fabrics make up quite nicely in quilts. Some of what you have might not be useful to anybody--I'm thinking if there are polyester knits from the '60s for example--except as samples. But if there are cotton prints, I imagine a quilters' group would like them. I've been going through my stash recently and weeding out all kinds of things--I used to work at two fabric stores. Mostly I take it to our local thrift store, where they do bag up fabric pieces to sell. A very few pieces I can offer to individuals. I gave pieces of cotton prints to a quilter for Christmas last year. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:36:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BaMUP008080 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:36:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Ba7oW041626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ba7cv098312; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB5Ba3Iu098229 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48756 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 11:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 11:35:57 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051205113415.01d43e30@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:36:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric In-Reply-To: References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:24 05/12/2005, you wrote: >Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps >to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble >throwing away any but the smallest scraps! My local centre for the less able (!) is glad of scraps and odd buttons and scraps of lace, braid and so on for their craft projects, as is my local junior school (5-11 years.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 07:04:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5C4qUO012198 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:04:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5C4OJh045728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5C4LuK012070; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5C4Hv2011994 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACBA023C; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:04:10 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Dec 2005 07:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c5f994$2d9bfa00$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:05:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And don't forget your local Senior Citizen center. They often have projects going that use a wide variety of scraps. Or assisted senior care facilities. Ours locally have a craft room that need to be "fed" on a regular basis. The art teacher at a local elementary school is always asking for my scraps that she uses on a variety of textile projects. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 08:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5DkOTl013909 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Djr7g064832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Djl9U061131; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5DjgEb061021 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A47F0264; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:45:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Dec 2005 08:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c5f9a2$58b37020$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c5f746$fc7d7920$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra stomacher Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:46:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I finally had time to look at the progress journal on this Gorgeous dress! Thank you for sharing it. I have friends and family who are not on the List and they too wait for the updates!! Not having the time to make the individual blooms as you are doing, I have been developing heavy texture designs for my stomachers with some of the commercial chenilles and other fibers and ribbon flowers that are being used to make the 'funfur' assessories that are currently popular, here. Into my second year developing these designs, your work has been a constant inspiration! When I finish the present project, I will try to get it together to share. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] extra stomacher > Hi, > I have started to make an extra stomacher for the yellow dress. I made a > pattern of my own, and made a serpentine with bullion roses........... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > > Now i am assembling the dress bit by bit, all pieces ready to be put > together........ ahhhhhhhhhh > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 09:42:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5Egps1014814 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:42:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Ea7gB072083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ea4Qx092935; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ea1sr092847 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:35:56 -0800 Message-ID: <439450EF.1040805@msn.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:38:39 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 14:35:56.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[33AD45B0:01C5F9A9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If this link works, *http://tinyurl.com/deyk5 *there is one towards the bottom of the page dated back to 1857. Is that the one you were refering to? Carolann Schmitt wrote: >It's older than you think! > >Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ > >>From the Smithsonian: >http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF >/single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company > >The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not >commercial production. > >Carolann Schmitt >cschmitt@genteelarts.com >www.genteelarts.com >Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 09:48:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5EmNP3014909 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Eksug074031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ekn6c000177; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5EkjE8000137 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so83727wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=iAlDPCkFF/uF6HESe9lSd8p1NJmJ+u2CW+vt/rsrsPeA/LtBeyRzuxib3HKGWgiQdN352ueYBNHEO4XqkW9OCD0OZ5bBqiAD7sXKzGWu0Jx+MLwkU8bLGeFTBMbDwq+x2Az7o48R0XK/UJ7WgbHLHb9EzOrhvmRhuYqBmwkM8PM= Received: by 10.65.59.13 with SMTP id m13mr2776523qbk; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f16sm1540908qba.2005.12.05.06.46.44; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <016d01c5f9aa$b9f2a290$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003d01c5f90f$e7050a20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, those flowers, how did you learn to make them? Do you have a book (in English, French or Spanish) to recommend? They're really amazing, sitting there just on the edge of the fabric... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 10:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5FNj5R015531 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:23:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FMC6Q079424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5FM9h7024907; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5FM4T3024839 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C19C4084E for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb08.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.9251f for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDlFsbHwILYAIAAAAB,d1154e3ad1c47221cf92d38b5ea2bc18 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] Message-Id: <20051205072203.BAD1CE4A@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about a little theatre group? I have used some truly ugly polyester stuff as a costume for the movie a friend is making. It isn't historical, but then the movie isn't either. Some little theatre groups put on plays from the 50's and 60's and the fabric would be great for them. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Lloyd Mitchell" wrote: From: "Lloyd Mitchell" Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:05:22 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric And don't forget your local Senior Citizen center. They often have projects going that use a wide variety of scraps. Or assisted senior care facilities. Ours locally have a craft room that need to be "fed" on a regular basis. The art teacher at a local elementary school is always asking for my scraps that she uses on a variety of textile projects. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 10:59:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5FxCwe016249 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:59:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FvI1q086255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5FvCgt054051; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB5Fv850053915 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66809 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2005 15:57:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VZyTzgZB+J5gv81bPGXfTnysii2/ZaWUlo9qzKxe0xWUuWC0heguweBcyIruc5JiicdOj3Xz3HobBkeFUNLwqGTMPTa9a/9uQumJNd4LGRIZO/dSjnndIlDuqvwM5/g2KXVjSJVrEJ7ewDvDJ0NmWGDK9IOp9fB832yzm2Rn+5c= ; Message-ID: <20051205155703.66807.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:57:03 PST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512050201.jB51x7W7015140@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ladies in wating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ladies-in-waiting : from the Tudors to the present day / Anne Somerset. by Somerset, Anne, 1955- New York : Knopf, 1984. I recentlyl read this book about ladies in waiting. It was OK. It was really about who they were, rather that what they did. (I need to know this, because my alter ego is Dappert, the dissolute ladies maid to an earls daughter. This helps us in Rev War 'cause then we have an excuse to interpret another social class (high, middle, low, we have then all in his majesties 64th of foot.) And the visitors seem to like discussing the difference in dress and status evident bewtween the nobility and the washerwomen) Mia in Charlotte --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 14:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5JLVhn020544 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:21:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5JJxt0029663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JJq8j026763; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JJkU6026628 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.164]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FA035EE0CA for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:19:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c5f9d0$df9e8970$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512031301.jB3D1kLF042339@net.indra.com> <001801c5f96e$fbaa7be0$6401a8c0@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Films Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:19:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Joy, Yes it was, sorry about this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] Films > Was the film 'Company of Wolves', Bjarne? > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 14:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5JUkCe020773 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:30:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5JPe32031516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5IaQem084219; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5IaHNE084037 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jB5IaDEq006025 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:36:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01bc01c5f9ca$c41fde20$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <7.0.0.16.0.20051204154432.02276340@justinanimator.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:35:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I, too, have heard that men's hoods did not button, but last January, I went to an exhibit at the Cleveland Museum of Art. There was a Burgundian themed exhibit which had some small statues of monks/lay men with hoods/mantles. One of them was pulled up and you could see buttons that were on the front opening. Very cool and quite exciting! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie Barrett" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment > At 07:13 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >>http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 >> >>I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman in the >>second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. >> >> >>I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I have >>no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples and/or >>patterns. >> >>thanks! > > Yes, as Ro and Sunny said, it is a hood/mantle. It kpredates the first > picture in most paintings, and is usually seen on women. The ones without > buttons are the ones seen on men. I think it has to do with the fact that > a woman would not want to pull a hood over her hair, while a man would be > less concerned with messing up his locks. > > Genie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 14:43:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5JhNKZ020974 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:43:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5JgbZ7036791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JgXvB048464; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JgTPQ048397 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjMEF-000JfK-91 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:42:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:41:20 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just for fun... References: <200512031304.jB3D1kLG042339@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks good to me (who knows nothing about research from extant materials). The thing I instantly wanted was a family tree to track who the items were made by, and for, and who was making the comment. Jean Marc Carlson wrote >As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage >materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really >catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this >stuff into a form that would be useful. > >This is a test page. > >Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm > >I'd appreciate any suggestions. > >marc > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 16:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5LKCRq022916 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5LJN6w056592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LJIPw037806; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LJDrx037735 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 665F136089 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:19:10 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:19:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wash it in Odor Ban. Use for drafts. If sturdy but light weight enough, use as interfacing. One dark colored dress that my Grandma made, she use a piece of fabric scrap from her quilting pile and used it for interfacing the collar. De -----Original Message----- Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 16:47:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5LlavP023504 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:47:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5LkiK6063210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LkY3C064668; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Lk0W2064132 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB5LjnF9009724 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:53 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:35:04 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512051905.jB5J5ILU012834@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: disposing of fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I echo everyone else's suggestions about places to donate fabric you can't use. But don't forget -- if it's really fabric that NO ONE wants (or, for that matter, ripped old clothes and things like that) then both Goodwill and the Salvation Army sell fabric scrap. So never throw anything fabric away! Give it where it will be used, even scrap is reusing. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 16:54:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5LsbRt023628 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Lrt7G064635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LrqmI071716; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LrjJX071571 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.36.47] (dialup-4.249.36.47.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.36.47]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Lrdke003663 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4394B6EA.8010008@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:46 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > If this link works, *http://tinyurl.com/deyk5 *there is one towards the > bottom of the page dated back to 1857. Is that the one you were > refering to? > Carolann Schmitt wrote: so... (not having any vintage clothes), how were commercially made seams for daily wear clothes treated in the mid-1920s? cut out with straight edges or pinked? serged/merrowed or standard? Was Europe any different than US? (yeah, full of questions!) -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 17:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5MK4bt024066 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5MID1R069829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI6FW094288; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI04E094135 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x7so922297nzc for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nsO3yJwan69zKDOhF7W28kVaOgEhioP6hDrAydoWL5hRGTsmuz5okKPNAazDlKS8rL3zbroaqGuey/3lvMfbCxyJupwDl7qB6B1/K2G3oA8tv2D7d8MbhFnjzrclzRTfO1D74DXMG6BEbpxWSru3Tkuiuee95Q9RJLV4BsVH8hs= Received: by 10.65.123.16 with SMTP id a16mr3342065qbn; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:17:55 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use In-Reply-To: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB5MI04E094135 Cc: h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace insertion. Katy On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi folks, > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > Thanks in advance, > Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 17:23:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5MNlsI024170 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:23:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5MIDTd069831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI7Ls094299; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI0As094142 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so179944wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nsO3yJwan69zKDOhF7W28kVaOgEhioP6hDrAydoWL5hRGTsmuz5okKPNAazDlKS8rL3zbroaqGuey/3lvMfbCxyJupwDl7qB6B1/K2G3oA8tv2D7d8MbhFnjzrclzRTfO1D74DXMG6BEbpxWSru3Tkuiuee95Q9RJLV4BsVH8hs= Received: by 10.65.123.16 with SMTP id a16mr3342065qbn; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:17:55 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use In-Reply-To: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB5MI0As094142 Cc: h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace insertion. Katy On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi folks, > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > Thanks in advance, > Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 18:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5N2CUP024848 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5N1lWw079413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5N1eiE035548; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5N1V9f035342 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20884 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:28:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:28:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > Use for drafts. I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. --Robin who woke up to the radio announcing 17 degrees temp outside today, with wind chill of 9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 18:16:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5NG4gk025183 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5NEUBx081891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NESbs047075; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NEOv9046925 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2a0.11fc352 (48624) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2a0.11fc352.30c623c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:14:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:02:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. Hey, but that works! We moved in to a rental house in Rhode Island, and noticed that our dryer just wasn't working like it should. That is when we discovered that the previous tenants, who must not have had a dryer, had stuffed a pair of shorts into the vent--I guess to keep out drafts! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 18:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5Nk3KA025784 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:46:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5NjR56088952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NjNrJ074270; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NjJIP074192 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Pm5Ak6ywB1g7Rr5792kxYxFuBJ4/cGZB5EJJHNXMJAPZWF2GzGUeAgMT6AZq0pOX; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.12] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjQ1G-0002oI-9y for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <028501c5f9f5$f1f5f8e0$0c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b64168d223341c1895b6402db30c059a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.12 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > >> Use for drafts. > > I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and > tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a > draft. > > Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. You're not the only one. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 19:54:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB60sY1N027071 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:54:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB60rMCV000522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB60rFg3025241; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB60rAcI025181 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x30so523770nfb for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NjrB133Jy9LzMdvWUdKiLJNmVdWq5hG5YNQtppgRJKnP1Zyqr1Ttih5qNJbfszihNpx8ySo9xuhYOKPgPy1FCJk+lSSyLJ/onOinS2gRiU92V4LleX1t4fnFYbS/N1OFzSpAAW3L6LgdufTiyGB4+LrPGif+S2BqTc6MuWnk8MQ= Received: by 10.48.241.6 with SMTP id o6mr133655nfh; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.161.5 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB60rAcI025181 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a long time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me :-) Thank you for any and all help. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 20:05:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB615q7Q027237 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:05:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB615Mp6001906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB61556v032871; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB614WmO032477 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.233.2f73c86 (3948) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <233.2f73c86.30c63d96@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:04:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 779 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine go to schools and a couple of self supporting disabled groups - they make cushion covers and pin cushions and thing - might be worth seeing if there's anything like that near you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 20:07:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB617lfg027265 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:07:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB617W6E002131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB617FeM034269; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB616qme033990 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3K3BDA6KC7RJ for (sender ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBHGQ2NE; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:06:21 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:31:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Message-ID: <20051205.183112.-610825.3.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-10,12-33 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2017384059 X-MAIL-INFO: 0c6871ec413c49280c19a5f921f93c39f98d583ce11df81d8558c9a5499d895de168355c9d9d98095d6c5dacace98cb1d525d5e9bc599168d5dcf888c9c8f88938f1c81c480d251c1c8d91a19c3cec1515155515fcb82579d5bd31ed7ced05112805115cf5115cd5bd7d010ca98d4901b800dc8d81b848991db885cda531913135ad5c751131f5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7yiqEflSYSDVHBD4XGoSJ/hSmm3Wfvc9XQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's called a regimental coat and you can find a pattern for it at : http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat59a.html If you look thru their pattern listings, you will find just about all the 18th century patterns available. The basic regimental coat was the same pattern for Yanks as well as Brits. Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 Thomas Hayman writes: > Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided > i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a > long > time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) > I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. > http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm > I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper > name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me > :-) > > Thank you for any and all help. > -- > Yours sincerely > > Thomas Hayman > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 21:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB62o3Ul029139 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:50:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB62nIwk012120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB62nEvc099262; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB62nBeB099172 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:49:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9D83D082 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:49:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4394FC66.8030502@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:50:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > -E House > (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr > old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has > to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the > grandma.) There is, or was, a market for vintage yardage. 1960-1970's ugly is back in style. If you can get the smell out and present it attractively, you may get some cash out of it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:34:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63Ycxg029854 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:34:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63X158016227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63WwtH024264; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63Wrle024195 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:32:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A65E01F0; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:32:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Dec 2005 22:32:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:34:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the dozens of dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use > Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, > from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as > I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace > insertion. > > Katy > > On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to > > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Judy Mitchell > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63f4HT029942 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63eeId017323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63eclY028871; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63ebOq028851 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so255392wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:40:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pFihfOUXna8ZEnC9qehciyl15U6vX/zjr4GnjF5pmbSRNV68sWkp4yotvW5lL8wSiizM/8EtIrnoCaL/Bqe1ALvkuYQwRcZy4mEFLZhneJhp7eH/JHy9eN6PcDMEeV8YSK7HnW+/RtT+WndaZZdnxHJn2FYR/ZholNCrt945U5o= Received: by 10.65.228.12 with SMTP id f12mr14583qbr; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070512051940v75a543f3n25f3eabe7958f1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:40:32 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use In-Reply-To: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB63ebOq028851 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't believe it has been altered in modern times. The serging is done in period looking cotton thread in a style different from modern serging, but it is definitely serging. If I can find it (won't be soon) I can put pics on my site. Katy On 12/5/05, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the dozens of > dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Bishop" > To: "Historical Costume" > Cc: "h-costume" > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use > > > > Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, > > from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as > > I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace > > insertion. > > > > Katy > > > > On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, > Jeeves...) to > > > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > > > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > > > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > > > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Judy Mitchell > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:53:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63rTTv030100 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63qhBu019203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63qcu8036850; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52206.mail.yahoo.com (web52206.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB63qaXk036786 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 190 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 03:52:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jHTKcpow/GnYDI30tAp6Gix9tO/dxqKWxg4IKJI3Pw2qMKs0AuNx8+kH9OIUSpYl75cFjKHiKkNqXg/qjYd0d0gCx0Y0YmHSjXdoBPmVAOHg49eHKWZcsxmg1MDVge5z454QroeztbvLxkWw3pLQw2fBLzDEQvNGazAYj6GskVI= ; Message-ID: <20051206035228.188.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:52:28 EST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:52:28 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Forcast here for tonight -17 only. The dog won't even go outside. Edith Robin Netherton wrote: On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > Use for drafts. I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. --Robin who woke up to the radio announcing 17 degrees temp outside today, with wind chill of 9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:57:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63vdYo030178 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:57:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63vDMS019739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63v9bt039242; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63v4CV039145 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:56:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.58] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512060343.jB63eerY028889@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:56:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 03:56:59.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B609CD0:01C5FA19] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Just for fun... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Jean Waddie >Looks good to me (who knows nothing about research from extant >materials). The thing I instantly wanted was a family tree to track who >the items were made by, and for, and who was making the comment. Yeah, you and me both :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 23:10:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB64AprW030402 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB64A79u021620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB64A1rC046721; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:10:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB649vW3046642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:09:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-1.sonic.net [209.148.113.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB649rFU003198 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:09:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43950F11.7020801@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:09:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a simple, otherwise ordinary, rather cheap looking white batiste "lingerie" blouse with kimono 3/4 sleeves from circa 1912, which has all of its seams serged except the application of the high lace collar and lace cuffs. I suspect the lace collar and cuffs (which, BTW, are the places that tend to wear out first on these) have been replaced because they were just sewn on with no seam finish at all, whereas the rest of the blouse is quite neat. If anyone altered the blouse recently they entirely remade it and resewed all the seams and the bottom hem---possible but not too likely. The blouse is also made of machine-embroidered fabric, BTW, which was definitely available well before 1912. As for it being commercially made, it may well have been--many lingerie blouses were, but the labels are usually gone by this point, if the blouse ever had one. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > >>Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, >>from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as >>I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace >>insertion. >> >>Katy >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 00:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB652qxB031242 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:02:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB652LF8026655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB652HPX076107; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:02:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB652E21076046 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.19] (acty3019.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.19]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343415C36C for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:02:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:02:05 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants it. Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember his name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public TV (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:27:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >nancy_kiel@hotmail.com writes: > >Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old >cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be >really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 04:46:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB69jvw1003650 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:45:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB69jTpX067159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB69jNPo015350; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB69jIGu015315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-103-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.103]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jB69jE9x008470 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:45:16 +1100 Message-ID: <005801c5fa49$c62b4bd0$67d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: disposing of fabric Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:45:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: disposing of fabric > > I echo everyone else's suggestions about places to donate fabric you can't > use. But don't forget -- if it's really fabric that NO ONE wants (or, for > that matter, ripped old clothes and things like that) then both Goodwill > and > the Salvation Army sell fabric scrap. So never throw anything fabric away! > Give it where it will be used, even scrap is reusing. > > Gail Finke > I know a lot of charity shops sell natural fibre fabric scraps to mechanics who use it to soak up oil around their workshops (I assume other people buy them too but Mechanics is the only group I've heard of) I don't know if they could use synthetic fibres in the same way as they wouldn't absorb much. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 06:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6BVZ2B027311 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:31:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6BV3cN075421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6BUwQb065173; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6BUs2q065087 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.68.59.113 by BAY20-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:30:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.59.113] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051205113415.01d43e30@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disposing of fabric Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:29:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:29:09 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 11:30:49.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[81C9A8B0:01C5FA58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB6BVZ2B027311 Status: RO And if it's just too hideous to inflict upon humans, your local animal shelter would welcome it to use for bedding or just rags. The shelter is also a good place to donate clothes, towels, and sheets that are too worn out for people but still have some use in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric At 11:24 05/12/2005, you wrote: >Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps >to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble >throwing away any but the smallest scraps! My local centre for the less able (!) is glad of scraps and odd buttons and scraps of lace, braid and so on for their craft projects, as is my local junior school (5-11 years.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 06:51:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6BpX6Q001116 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6BpA9W081884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Bp6kS076300; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6Bp19m076212 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74560 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 11:50:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PwAUtElTl839I2q6wPHX6nJ/79+fbYvDtSjOr9xjmbIQKdnXz3xtVFeKfGELZxz2S7h5oJeyatc9FJ7lQRnOuTVth206rWpkY4mm1w3lnw5y2//NVX5wNJz3vRSl8Yh0FDUa64npOnS2FWCCd9WrsMoArPqY+TU85QGtyVdtVJE= ; Message-ID: <20051206115057.74558.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:50:57 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c5f809$b1597070$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne. Tissuepaper is the same as Silkepapir. A thin crinkly paper, that you can get almost everywhere. I would get an acid free. I have a couple of sheets you can have if you want Tania Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that..... Bjarne who now are going to watch swedish television, they have a series of 17th century kingdom, where poor and rich chanllenges eachother. Rich has bathtubs, poor dont even have soap to wash.......... Costumes are ok, but only one of the rich ladies gown fits propperly. It is so difficult to dress a lady in a rented dress with a low cut boatshape bust if it doesnt fit....... 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X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Judy Mitchell wrote: > very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had > wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started > (especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have > no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor > (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Hi! I tried calling the Norwegian Husqvarna branch to ask, but they were clueless. Unfortunately I don't have time to pursue this right now, but he gave me the number to the Swedish factory (or so he said): +4636146000, if you would like to contact them directly. The Swedish website also gives an e-mail address for the Swedish branch: sweden.info@vsmgroup.com. I don't know if they would know the history at that particular address, but they should be able to forward it to someone who does. According to Husquarna's webpage, they started manufacturing sewing machines in 1872. No mention is made specifically of sergers/overlockers, but they do give a link to a museum that seems like it covers the enitre tchnological history of the area, including the arms manufacture but also the sewing machines: http://www.husqvarna-museum.nu/ Maybe they would know! :) Hope this helps, Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 09:18:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6EIcwo014991 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EHQKi004658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EHN7t053880; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EHK68053848 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.81.174] (dialup-4.249.81.174.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.81.174]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EHFqd026026 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43959D71.3080105@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:17:21 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the dozens of > dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! perhaps it has to do with the nature of the garment? Katy described hers as a 'lingerie dress with lace insertion' and Fran has a 'lingerie blouse' both of which have serged seams, yet Kathleen's regular dresses are not serged. Sounds like either the 'lingerie' nature got serged, or different companies were sewing different methods and the serging was just coming in but not everywhere?? Interesting. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 09:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6EK6tc015027 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EIL4O004796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EILxl054416; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EIIIb054388 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.81.174] (dialup-4.249.81.174.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.81.174]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EIEMb026094 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:18:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43959DAC.2060006@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:18:20 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great! Thanks, Ingrid. I'll follow up on that. -Judy Mitchell Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Judy Mitchell wrote: > >> very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had >>wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started >>(especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have >>no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor >>(who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! > > > Hi! I tried calling the Norwegian Husqvarna branch to ask, but they were > clueless. Unfortunately I don't have time to pursue this right now, but > he gave me the number to the Swedish factory (or so he said): > +4636146000, if you would like to contact them directly. The Swedish > website also gives an e-mail address for the Swedish branch: > sweden.info@vsmgroup.com. I don't know if they would know the history at > that particular address, but they should be able to forward it to > someone who does. > > According to Husquarna's webpage, they started manufacturing sewing > machines in 1872. No mention is made specifically of > sergers/overlockers, but they do give a link to a museum that seems like > it covers the enitre tchnological history of the area, including the > arms manufacture but also the sewing machines: > http://www.husqvarna-museum.nu/ Maybe they would know! :) > > Hope this helps, > Ingrid > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6F2ExA019433 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6F1VCh008603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:01:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6F1Tq8081390; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6F1Oel081337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.31] (pool180-31.patriot.net [209.249.180.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB6F1Fcd002113 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:01:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003301c5f83 e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051205113415.01d43e30@127.0.0.1> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:01:12 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disposing of fabric Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found a place in the Philadelphia area where I BOUGHT hideous fabric from the 1950s. Actually I think it's cool, a pink, black & gray (with a touch of turquoise) "modern" print for curtains. I agree that you should de-stink the stash and find the market for it. Otherwise you could be destroying something that is EXACTLY what someone else is looking for. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:24:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6FObFW022046 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:24:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6FIrq6010394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FIoLQ093068; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FIjmC093014 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.226]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8339B5EE035 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:18:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh, i found a new book wich is published in january. Its about embroidery teckniques of the 18th century. Amazon sells it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1133882199/sr=1-517/ref=sr_1_0_517/026-8705729-9238062 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6FQgVT022138 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6FPiNt011115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:25:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FPhpW097768; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FPdhD097657 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4395AE15.6070102@msn.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:28:21 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper References: <20051206115057.74558.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051206115057.74558.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 15:25:34.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D855E20:01C5FA79] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the hoop protected by the outer hoop? If it is the rest of the fabric you are worried about then I could see why you'd want to place a piece of tissue paper over the entire embroidery (with the inner hoop underneath) place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to work. Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light and easily torn). You could do the same I guess with a piece of calico (which I think we call muslin BTW) and cut a hole...maybe a little more expensive, but more durable. Sg > >Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, >Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6FqUOM022600 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6Fq0fM013971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FpuPt019272; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6Fpnp8019114 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3MN6QAC7A7ZA for (sender ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBJ3DDLF; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:51:17 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:38:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper Message-ID: <20051206.075031.1340.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 16:8:1581936383 X-MAIL-INFO: 5b01d960d9a1f50da1f54d09f54db441d4217d4430382174c4cd302574ad79557471c13901c00114d54d80f50109 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgrX3BtSmQAB+74uQhdf62Ps= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine too. I've heard of doing that with non-fusible interfacing, but have never tried it. Arlys On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:28:21 -0700 WickedFrau writes: > Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the > > hoop protected by the outer hoop? If it is the rest of the fabric > you > are worried about then I could see why you'd want to place a piece > of > tissue paper over the entire embroidery (with the inner hoop > underneath) > place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want > to > work. Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. > Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. > It > is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very > light > and easily torn). > > You could do the same I guess with a piece of calico (which I think > we > call muslin BTW) and cut a hole...maybe a little more expensive, but > > more durable. > > Sg > > > > >Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi, > >Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 11:08:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6G8fGw023095 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6G1uZ7015332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6G1oak027325; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6G1jI0027155 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95402 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 16:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 16:01:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051206160025.01d88b30@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:00:56 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century In-Reply-To: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:18 06/12/2005, you wrote: >Gosh, i found a new book wich is published in january. >Its about embroidery teckniques of the 18th century. >Amazon sells it. >http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1133882199/sr=1-517/ref=sr_1_0_517/026-8705729-9238062 Oh, that's gone on my wish list - I have a birthday soon! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:00:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6H0vCC028669 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6H0CvJ023529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6H04kF077076; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Gxk3Y076817 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E713D06C for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:59:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4395C3C9.2060904@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:00:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) > that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill > that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw > out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants > it. Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember > his name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public > TV (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) > That's probably Magic Mike. I remember when he started offering boxes on rec.quilting. Nice to know his charitable efforts are still being supported by the companies. His original supplier cut him off thinking they could sell the scraps since people wanted them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:12:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HCvBj028906 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:12:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6HCFNc025071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HBxm9087577; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HBn6Y087362 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 39190907 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:13:54 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:56:58 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c5fa86$124ac9a0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 4, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Interesting thread on the history of overlock machines. I can probably save you some effort in the Husqvarna department--as far as I know, sergers are not manufactured by sewing machine companies. They are all made in various factories in China, Korea, and perhaps Japan. When you buy a serger labelled Singer or Viking or Bernina, whatever, it has been made NOT in their facotry, but to their specifications by one of the serger manufacturers. Kim (ex-sewing machine and serger dealer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:15:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HFKru028958 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:15:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6HEwmj025432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HEsdp090190; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HEjm9090046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-136.sonic.net [209.148.113.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HEMXc031846 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:14:39 -0800 Message-ID: <4395C6EC.2090300@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:14:20 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> <43959D71.3080105@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <43959D71.3080105@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A "lingerie" blouse or dress was merely a name used in the late 19th and early 20th centuries for a sheer white blouse or dress, embroidered and/or decorated with lace in a way that resembled fancy undergarments. I've collected a great many of them (I have over 100 lingerie blouses alone), and this is the only one I've seen with serged seams. However, unless someone went to the trouble of taking the entire blouse apart and remaking it, the serging is original. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Judy Mitchell wrote: > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >> Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the >> dozens of >> dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! > > > > perhaps it has to do with the nature of the garment? Katy > described hers as a 'lingerie dress with lace insertion' and Fran has > a 'lingerie blouse' both of which have serged seams, yet Kathleen's > regular dresses are not serged. Sounds like either the 'lingerie' > nature got serged, or different companies were sewing different > methods and the serging was just coming in but not everywhere?? > Interesting. > > -Judy Mitchell > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:34:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HYpI1029286 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6HSAEr027116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HS7rw001757; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HRxqR001615 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.181] (pm5-181.eos.net [205.133.149.181]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB6HRsF9026117 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:27:56 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:17:10 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512061552.jB6FpvNb019282@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: pennsylvania charity guy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michael tartaglio wrote: > > Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) > that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill > that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw > out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants > it. Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember > his name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public > TV (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) The show was called "Pennsylvania Quilts" and is pretty good. The man Michael mentioned, though, no longer collects fabric. He used to get waste from mills and distribute it for free, but now he is disabled and there are no more mills where he lives. But it was an inspirational story nevertheless, one of several about quilters of various kinds and types (family quilters, Amish quilters, art quilters, etc.) in the state. Gail finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:54:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HsQFs029638 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6Hs1RV050001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hrt4L023290; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hrk4s023097 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jB6HreY09237 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:53:41 -0600 Message-ID: <4395D0CD.4000101@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:56:29 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century References: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooh, and my birthday is next month! Thanks for the info, Bjarne. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 15:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6KUYUN032673 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:30:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6KPnWa080615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hvxu3027424; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bellerophon.concentric.com (bellerophon.concentric.com [207.155.248.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hvom2027277 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by bellerophon.concentric.com id MAA22214; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:57:48 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200512061757.MAA22214@bellerophon.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:57:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200512061554.jB6FpvNc019282@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB6Hvom2027277 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] No Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently finished an embroidery project using reeled silk. What with my nasty rough hands and putting it into and out of the work bag I can certainly understand covering up all but the part being worked. The bag is gorgeous but snags like crazy. I keep it in a plastic food bag before putting it into my work bag. I'm afraid to wear it because it snags so easily. Julie ---- wrote: >> Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the > hoop protected by the outer hoop? If it is the rest of the fabric you > are worried about then I could see why you'd want to place a piece of > tissue paper over the entire embroidery (with the inner hoop underneath) > place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to > work. Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. > Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It > is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light > and easily torn). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 18:57:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6NvZH8004459 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:57:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6Nv9aO015618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Nuxxn040096; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6NuidO039863 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.19c.411ea2e8 (57341) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.411ea2e8.30c77d3b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:48:11 EST Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you want it to be correct for 18th century British army, you have to be very careful about the shape of the lapels (the turn backs). And the pattern of the lacing (the braid) can be quite tricky, too. (I think you'd be working from the 1740s clothing regs.) Would recommend contacting lace wars (the re-enactment group) - especially Mark, through the 18th century bit of the LH site. He's far more up on this than me, as most of the 18th C stuff I do is civilian. It's dead right that military clothing follows civilian in style, although for the average uniform there's a bit of a time lag. Of course, all this depends how accurate you want it to be - if you just think the general cut's cool and want to give it a shot, you don't necessarily have to worry about the regimental lacing and lapel shapes and all that. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70W9UQ004912 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70VYPT019368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70VYrT067518; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6GBlZx035599 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b4.19072b2 (15863) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df74395b82f291; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:11:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:11:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7C896D86237E1-10B4-24C@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: Received: from 24.136.228.26 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:11:26 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops...hit send before I finished saying what I wanted to say.... The coats we made were essentially just like a civilian coat except for the reveres [the folded back sections on the front] and the mariner cuffs. Ours were rather full in the back [because it was 1757] but the get narrower and more cut away as the century progresses. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a long time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me :-) Thank you for any and all help. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70W9OY004913 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70Vjov019423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70VjGm067652; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6HTlEv003257 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005120612290830904 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:29:08 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id jB6HShMA022192 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sergers-Juki? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What about Juki? Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kim baird Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:57 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] sergers Interesting thread on the history of overlock machines. I can probably save you some effort in the Husqvarna department--as far as I know, sergers are not manufactured by sewing machine companies. They are all made in various factories in China, Korea, and perhaps Japan. When you buy a serger labelled Singer or Viking or Bernina, whatever, it has been made NOT in their facotry, but to their specifications by one of the serger manufacturers. Kim (ex-sewing machine and serger dealer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:33:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70XMpW004929 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70X9Y7019698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70X7PU068799; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB704QRh046335 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d4.49b4c7b9 (57341) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.49b4c7b9.30c78103@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:04:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: tissue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've obviously missed a chunk of this somewhere along the line, so sorry if am repeating. > Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the > >hoop protected by the outer hoop? The main reason to use the tissue is to protect the fabric from the hoop itself, as it can cause indentations if working with a soft fabric. Also, if the hoop you have to hand is smaller than the overall piece, and you have to reposition it, the tissue will protect the work you've already done from being squashed by the hoop. Plus, I tend to find that my fingers always overlap the edge of the hoop (I use quite thin wooden ones), and the natural oils from my fingers will sooner or later mucky up the bit I'm holding. If I can manage to hold onto tissue instead that doesn't happen as much, so easier to clean. >If it is the rest of the fabric you > are worried about then I could see why > you'd want to >place a piece of tissue paper over the entire embroidery > (with the inner hoop >underneath) > >place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to > >work. That's exactly the way you're meant to use it. (But that's much better but than when I tried to describe it.) >Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > > >differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. Silk paper here (UK) is also quite expensive (couple of quid a sheet), and is the handmade stuff with raw silk in it - it's an art paper, and I wouldn't ever suggest using that (the uneven texture could in fact do more harm than good with a particularly delicate piece). > >Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It > >is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light > >and easily torn). That's what tissue is in the UK, too. Although we tend to use wrapping paper for gifts instead. As a guide, a ream (500 sheets) of tissue paper about A2 sized would cost me about 8 pounds (I think - something like that). I also always try to use acid free tissue, as well (although if only a quick job it wouldn't matter *that* much). I just tend to keep projects going for ages, so like to be safe! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:36:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70akXw004983 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:36:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70VMvT019326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70VGOo067277; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6G6lxX031205 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.287.149a028 (15888) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e104395b70b283; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7C8962AC55D55-10B4-1C1@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: Received: from 24.136.228.26 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why, that looks like the coats I made for "Last of the Mohicans". -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a long time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me :-) Thank you for any and all help. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 20:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB71SYWo005727 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB71PpLY025670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB719NYu094178; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB718EGJ092959 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.122] (acty2122.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.122]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0D5C515 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439635F4.7010903@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:08:04 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> <4395C3C9.2060904@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4395C3C9.2060904@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yep, that's the name I remember. I guess he is still in "business" so to speak...Can you reach him still at rec.quilting? Thanks, Mike T. >> > > That's probably Magic Mike. I remember when he started offering boxes > on rec.quilting. Nice to know his charitable efforts are still being > supported by the companies. His original supplier cut him off thinking > they could sell the scraps since people wanted them. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 22:05:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB734x4v007183 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:04:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB734KE7035011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB734F62067922; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB734B36067848 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 38288189 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:20:48 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sergers-Juki? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:04:26 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c5fada$ef73ded0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 8, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good question. I know they make sergers, but evidently they make other sewing machines as well as other industrial equipment. I THINK they may have gotten into the domestic machine market after their beginnings in industrial machines. Anybody know? Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:29 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] sergers-Juki? What about Juki? Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kim baird Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:57 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] sergers Interesting thread on the history of overlock machines. I can probably save you some effort in the Husqvarna department--as far as I know, sergers are not manufactured by sewing machine companies. They are all made in various factories in China, Korea, and perhaps Japan. When you buy a serger labelled Singer or Viking or Bernina, whatever, it has been made NOT in their facotry, but to their specifications by one of the serger manufacturers. Kim (ex-sewing machine and serger dealer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 01:03:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB763FKv009519 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:03:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB762hJd050987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB762eJu072846; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB762ZQU072806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0006.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.6]:2133 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EjsNu-0007aC-1r for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <43967AF7.1060201@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:02:31 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512051345.jB5Djm56061143@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512051345.jB5Djm56061143@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Using poly knits from the sixties. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I belonged to a ladies church group who were making lap robes for the wheelchair bound at a local nursing home. The nursing home requested polyknits such as you mentioned as useless because nothing stained them, they never wore out and they were just enough to protect from drafts and chills when backed with a cotton without any batting or fill. the poly knits were cut into 4 or six inch squares and sewed into about a 2'x3' or 2.5'x3' cover backed with a cotton which is also used for ties. there were yarn ties at each corner or maybe the center of each square and that was it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 01:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB76SY5x009803 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB76Rv9T053077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB76RpTg086079; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52213.mail.yahoo.com (web52213.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB76Rncn086005 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 36546 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 06:27:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y6tOLdgC3PFWxxAJ+OMz6ancRycfvQCYebj1tCZnjexok0L96vEHESS2LRyiKHunPJMp3v7oai1q8oyffmExSsGWpmT9goRpigALyOOiLvxTCXQo3wijPuNR/EGzu2OsVwNoci3QwTKWUwXZw0oQnS+uJwRrZe6VolvCuQSVasM= ; Message-ID: <20051207062743.36544.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:27:43 EST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:27:43 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <439635F4.7010903@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did a little searching and found this http://www.nepanetwork.com/magicmik/ Doesn't sound like he's doing that great health wise. Brin michael tartaglio wrote: Yep, that's the name I remember. I guess he is still in "business" so to speak...Can you reach him still at rec.quilting? Thanks, Mike T. >> > > That's probably Magic Mike. I remember when he started offering boxes > on rec.quilting. Nice to know his charitable efforts are still being > supported by the companies. His original supplier cut him off thinking > they could sell the scraps since people wanted them. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 02:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB77XIXq015896 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:33:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB77W7on057752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB77VqPU016660; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB77Vk36016527 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-1-199.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.1.199]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2005 15:31:40 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:38:45 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses for sale. Thanks, Aylwen Garden -------- Original Message -------- Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST From: ended@ebay.com To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au Dear cottager87, We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item listing(s): 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled. We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information: In Title: Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. 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Regards, eBay Trust & Safety _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 04:32:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB79W98c007663 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB79VVj6074058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79VQ0c075780; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79VNUS075693 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD1BE7BD for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:31:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:31:15 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century References: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051207093116.D6BD1BE7BD@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yum! That book is now on my wish list. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Gosh, i found a new book wich is published in january. > Its about embroidery teckniques of the 18th century. > Amazon sells it. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1133882199/sr=1-517/ref=sr_1_0_517/026-8705729-9238062 > > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 04:40:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB79eNdL008434 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB79dgcu076288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79deP2079830; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79daYe079766 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:36:37 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:39:38 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <003b01c5fb12$244e1fd0$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX7AQBjpp2zlLWyQaG46MxFU+I2EgAEMpHw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 09:36:37.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8068CE0:01C5FB11] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I might imagine it was because of the movies recently made or coming soon; the original P&P is surely out of copyright (author death + 75 yrs if IRC) Perhaps there is some sort of appeal process? Just my .02 lira, Betsy (Ebay buyer, not seller) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A & J Garden Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses for sale. Thanks, Aylwen Garden -------- Original Message -------- Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST From: ended@ebay.com To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au Dear cottager87, We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item listing(s): 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled. We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information: In Title: Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. This typically occurs when members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. * Use of Brand Names: Our policy does not permit members to include any brand names in the listing title other than the specific brand name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item being offered in the listing. * Custom-made items: Although an item may be fabricated to visually match a specific product line of a recognized brand name, members are not permitted to include the name of the product line, or the related brand name in the listing title. * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand names. This means that although a celebrity may have worn a similar item, or made such an item popular in current pop-culture, members are not permitted to use the names of these celebrities or known figures in the listing title. Our policy permits a seller to use *one* name as a comparison within the subtitle or description section of the listing. For more information on Keyword Spamming visit the following Help page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension. Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following locations: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html For more information on why eBay removes multiple item listings, or to write to us with questions, please review the following Web page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/listing-ended.html We thank you in advance for your cooperation. Regards, eBay Trust & Safety _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 06:29:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7BTcsF031855 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7BTDJL091088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7BT9tv037484; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7BSVj4036648 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.219.e98d4e4 (17377) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:28:13 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <219.e98d4e4.30c8214d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:28:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/7/2005 2:33:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand names. I can understand the author, I guess, even though Jane Austen has been dead quite a few years. So, I guess you can only use her name if you are actually selling a book she wrote. Guess you will have to stick to "Regency" era and hope people know what that means. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 07:29:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7CToHf012356 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7CTK0w095947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7CTE4j070764; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7CTAGd070679 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D47A319450 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:29:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:29:05 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051207122905.0D47A319450@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I understand wy ebay say's it is spam.. You sell regency style dresses and not a dress from the movie. And the dress is also not from Jane Austen. But you could say Jane Austen style in the discription of the item. But it is a bit weird that they are sending this now. It happends so often that people use a movie title to sell their costumes. And it makes it very difficult to get the right people to see you auction. But on the otherhand maby people will do a little more research if they want a dress in style of a perticulary book or movie. Not that I think that will happen. How many times people asked me to make a medieval dress and alway's start with telling me they want a hoopskirt..... A & J Garden wrote: > Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not > realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses > for sale. > Thanks, Aylwen Garden > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST > From: ended@ebay.com > To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au > > > > Dear cottager87, > > We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item > listing(s): > > 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown > > > However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming > policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all > associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated > with the transaction that it has been cancelled. > > We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of > your listing is not permitted. > > Your listing(s) contains the following information: > > In Title: > Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice > > > Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. This typically occurs when > members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title > or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting > members to a listing. > > * Use of Brand Names: Our policy does not permit members to include > any brand names in the listing title other than the specific brand > name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item being > offered in the listing. > > * Custom-made items: Although an item may be fabricated to visually > match a specific product line of a recognized brand name, members are > not permitted to include the name of the product line, or the related > brand name in the listing title. > > * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not > permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, > authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the > specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or > officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the > perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being > synonymous with brand names. > > This means that although a celebrity may have worn a similar item, or > made such an item popular in current pop-culture, members are not > permitted to use the names of these celebrities or known figures in > the listing title. > Our policy permits a seller to use *one* name as a comparison within > the subtitle or description section of the listing. > For more information on Keyword Spamming visit the following Help page: > > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html > > > Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in > forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account > privileges and account suspension. > > > Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the > following locations: > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html > > For more information on why eBay removes multiple item listings, or to > write to us with questions, please review the following Web page: > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/listing-ended.html > > We thank you in advance for your cooperation. > > Regards, > > eBay Trust & Safety > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 08:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7DLrwQ013367 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7DLN8v099583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DLI2R098652; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DLBn0098580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jB7DD2fN019594 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:13:02 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:13:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4396E1C6.7090107@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:21:10 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> <20051207122905.0D47A319450@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051207122905.0D47A319450@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > But it is a bit weird that they are sending this now. Probably people report suspect cases if they see them, but that means the enforcement is very random. There are many examples of bad keywords on eBay! One of my favorite titles I saw on eBay was "Medieval Amish Celtic Gown." It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides. Those Medieval Amish, those jokers! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 08:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7DSIwE013504 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7DRoo8000323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DRkkB002558; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DRh9s002526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.148] (pool180-148.patriot.net [209.249.180.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB7DRQlK012837 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:27:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:26:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm guessing the listing would have been fine six months ago, but now with the movie coming out it has become a brand name. Funny thing about celebrity names and fashion - I know exactly what Madonna boots are, or a Jackie-O pillbox. People's names become synonymous with a style. For e-Bay, I would know what someone meant by a Queen Elizabeth I style. If they said J-Lo, they could mean something J-Lo actually wore or owned, an original or a copy of her fashion line, or a copy of one of her red-carpet gowns. I suppose that's why they need to draw the line somewhere. Maybe it would be ok to use "Austen" in the description without the "Jane". Unfortunately we (historic costumers) use movie titles all the time, like Ever After and Shakespeare in Love. Not to mention the fantasy film inspirations! Does this mean you can't sell a Queen Amidalla style gown? And with artists: Watteau, Gibson and Vermeer all tell me something about the item. Your gowns will become popular because of the movie, perhaps with people who don't know terms like Regency, Federal, Empire, etc. Too bad they won't allow the keywords that will help people find them. -Carol >Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did >not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency >dresses for sale. >Thanks, Aylwen Garden >Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 09:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7E2xSk014055 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:02:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7E2Q9J002769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7E2Lch021380; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7E2IN2021305 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.f1edb97 (58550) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.f1edb97.30c84558@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:02:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:22:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1149513182.bbb5d7@thibault.org writes: One of my favorite titles I saw on eBay was "Medieval Amish Celtic Gown." It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides. Those Medieval Amish, those jokers! Hey, eBay isn't filtering for stupidity! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 09:24:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7EOVO4014470 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7ENoaE004544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7ENmnh034281; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7ENi8c034211 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8113C97C5 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD2811E8 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:23:38 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:38 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:37 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D9BCB5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 784 Thread-Index: AcX7MnIKwewLWcU+Rz+XYM8igDwV+gABrbhw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 14:23:38.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0A24410:01C5FB39] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB7ENi8c034211 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 784 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Good question. I know they make sergers, but evidently they make other > sewing machines as well as other industrial equipment. > > I THINK they may have gotten into the domestic machine market after > their beginnings in industrial machines. > > Anybody know? I have a non-industrial serger by Juki (bought last year). I assume this means they are in the domestic machine market as well :-) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 09:25:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7EP33N014492 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:25:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7EOkN3004607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7EOkiV034817; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7EOhNH034743 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:24:37 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:24:25 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th C plates on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This may have been mentioned already but just in case; http://cgi.ebay.com/1786-DIDEROT-LACE-MAKING-decorative-feathers-etc_W0QQitemZ6584496015QQcategoryZ29223QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Not quite my period but very interesting to look through anyway. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 11:15:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7GFeMD016469 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GAnjI016260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:10:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GAiNm007752; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB7GAe4H007697 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 14673 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 08:09:19 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14656, pid: 14658, t: 2.2256s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO Cyhiraeth) (69.4.129.166) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 08:09:16 -0800 Message-ID: <005501c5fb48$c05e74c0$6401a8c0@Cyhiraeth> From: "Joan Broneske" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:10:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is really odd! Maybe it's because you have Jane Austin and Pride and Prejudice together? Maybe if it was one or the other, or said "Jane Austin style dress" or "era dress"? I don't know...I've never seen anything like this. I would write to them right away and find out what the deal is. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 11:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7GMEba016714 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:22:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GHQNG017092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GHPtM013356; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GHJfr013187 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB7GHAU04764.; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:17:10 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:17:10 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:17:02 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB7GHJfr013187 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The proposed website for our Renaissance music group still hasn't got off the ground, but you can now see a couple of photos of me in costume on the Sealed Knot Living History Group website http://livinghistorygroup.co.uk/musicians.htm . In the first, I'm wearing a linen Hollar-style cap made from Kass McGann's pattern. I know the forehead cloth with it is probably not strictly correct, but it hides my thick fringe (bangs) which is inappropriate for the period. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:00:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7H0GW6017435 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:00:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GwtiY023139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GwsHP048369; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52203.mail.yahoo.com (web52203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB7GCBXk008835 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 37068 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 16:12:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AYVje/jCuJZY5c/+ijOAQ+1dxLmpyUDz8GmN1JLRa7wnoR0ITw3mjmskiQ3we6TgBdQL7UYf44LfIY+K3Op/SvHFTDFPiydxuRAkDJMdr1hnx5dg0n4C3xx+EjEgI1TwjXzZ9MJr1qjeXqz+MsF5zJlV/TnIRvcjTZbuUuncBnY= ; Message-ID: <20051207161205.37066.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:12:05 EST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20f.f1edb97.30c84558@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They drive me crazy I put 2 videos on tiling under tiling supplies, 60% the right catagory according to their system. I had one removed because I put video in the title according to ebay they have to go under movies and dvds??? Brin AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:22:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1149513182.bbb5d7@thibault.org writes: One of my favorite titles I saw on eBay was "Medieval Amish Celtic Gown." It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides. Those Medieval Amish, those jokers! Hey, eBay isn't filtering for stupidity! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:02:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7H2MiX017463 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:02:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GuH7R022499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GuAla045856; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7E4cpu022686 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.274.1a464fb (58550) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <274.1a464fb.30c845ec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:04:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:28:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: I'm guessing the listing would have been fine six months ago, but now with the movie coming out it has become a brand name Actually, the TITLE of the movie can't be branded--titles can't be copyrighted, and especially not when the original book was published 200 years ago. But it does seem there has to be a way around the particular wording--like, as someone suggested, Austen-style? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:04:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7H4F81017506 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:04:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GwcSO023067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GwbfW048150; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7FoEWP092329 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.27]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ek1Yb-0007lV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4575619.1133970613004.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:50:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Uh-oh. Where does that leave such items as Eisenhower jackets, Peter Pan collars, Eton jackets, Mae Wests (life preservers), and other eponymous garments? ;.} --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden Sent: Dec 7, 2005 2:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses for sale. Thanks, Aylwen Garden -------- Original Message -------- Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST From: ended@ebay.com To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au Dear cottager87, We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item listing(s): 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled. We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information: In Title: Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. This typically occurs when members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. * Use of Brand Names: Our policy does not permit members to include any brand names in the listing title other than the specific brand name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item being offered in the listing. * Custom-made items: Although an item may be fabricated to visually match a specific product line of a recognized brand name, members are not permitted to include the name of the product line, or the related brand name in the listing title. * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand names. This means that although a celebrity may have worn a similar item, or made such an item popular in current pop-culture, members are not permitted to use the names of these celebrities or known figures in the listing title. Our policy permits a seller to use *one* name as a comparison within the subtitle or description section of the listing. For more information on Keyword Spamming visit the following Help page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension. Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following locations: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html For more information on why eBay removes multiple item listings, or to write to us with questions, please review the following Web page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/listing-ended.html We thank you in advance for your cooperation. Regards, eBay Trust & Safety _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:39:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7Hdr86018072 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7HYOov029425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HY6JY080107; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HXj3G079816 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 846787948 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:33:42 -0600 Message-ID: <043501c5fb54$63e788b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <274.1a464fb.30c845ec@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:33:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the basic problem is that the words were in the TITLE of the auction. If you put similar words and phrases in a conversational manner in the description of the items, I think you would be okay. I think the main problem is they are trying to make the search results (for people who search by title only) more accurate. On the other hand, there seems to be little rhyme or reason why ebay does some of the things they do, because I've seen my share of completely bogus listings with clearly misleading titles and descriptions (like a pyramid scheme with the title "18th century Irish spinning wheel!) and no amount of complaining to ebay removed the items or the seller. If I were you, I'd re-list it with those words in the description, but avoid mentioning "movie". Like : "Are you a big fan of Jane Austen? You will love this stunning gown that is a modern example of the styles described in Pride and Prejudice." (or whatever). People who search by looking at titles *and* descriptions will still find this item, and you can assure people who *know* what they are looking for by using a very accurate title. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 13:04:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7I4msS018441 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:04:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7HtZFS032318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HtVLR099037; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HtPmM098829 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D453CF0D for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:34:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43971D3C.9010709@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:34:52 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> <005501c5fb48$c05e74c0$6401a8c0@Cyhiraeth> In-Reply-To: <005501c5fb48$c05e74c0$6401a8c0@Cyhiraeth> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joan Broneske wrote: > This is really odd! Maybe it's because you have Jane Austin and Pride > and Prejudice together? Maybe if it was one or the other, or said "Jane > Austin style dress" or "era dress"? I don't know...I've never seen > anything like this. I would write to them right away and find out what > the deal is. I'd be surprised if they answered. Ebay has really bad "customer service". What keywords are other people using to list regency clothing? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 13:14:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7IEFGM018577 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7I9jXJ034373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7I9XIh011774; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7I9Q7l011629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB7I9KuX024966 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.55 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49551.64.156.242.55.1133978964.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <043501c5fb54$63e788b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <274.1a464fb.30c845ec@aol.com> <043501c5fb54$63e788b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How did people work it out when selling Titanic era dresses? If someone was a fan of a period movie, they might search on the movie title to see what merchandise was available. They might not have thought about a repro gown until seeing it come up in the search. Why shouldn't someone be able to get that exposure? It sounds like they're making too broad a rule. When I rule the entire world, things will be different ... :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 13:33:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7IXOX8018875 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7IT9IG037414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IT5TC029418; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IT0qL029310 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.78.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.78] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ek42F-0005Dy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <43973701.1010300@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:24:49 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Juki home sergers References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D9BCB5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > > >>Good question. I know they make sergers, but evidently they make other >>sewing machines as well as other industrial equipment. >> >>I THINK they may have gotten into the domestic machine market after >>their beginnings in industrial machines. >> >>Anybody know? > > > I have a non-industrial serger by Juki (bought last year). I assume this means they are in the domestic machine market as well :-) > -sunny I adore my Juki non-industrial serger. I've had it for...let's see...14 years and have never had a problem. I've bought them for both academic costume shops I've worked in as well, and they've been great. They're more expensive than other brands, but they also work MUCH better. Melanie Schuessler Eastern Michigan University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 14:01:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7J1mJ0019468 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:01:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7IvVf6042428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IvPqx055846; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IvK2G055640 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:57:11 -0800 Message-ID: <43973088.1030308@msn.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:57:12 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 18:57:11.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[07989700:01C5FB60] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cool! I don't know about the correctness of the forehead cloth or not. Think I am remembering correctly- Fynn Morryson states that women on the continent wore forehead cloths "out and about" where as English women did not... Sg Kate M Bunting wrote: >The proposed website for our Renaissance music group still hasn't got off the ground, but you can now see a couple of photos of me in costume on the Sealed Knot Living History Group website http://livinghistorygroup.co.uk/musicians.htm . In the first, I'm wearing a linen Hollar-style cap made from Kass McGann's pattern. I know the forehead cloth with it is probably not strictly correct, but it hides my thick fringe (bangs) which is inappropriate for the period. > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 14:36:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7JaPgC019994 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:36:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7JVqgS047796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7JVhpX087648; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB7JVFdn087271 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28054 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 19:31:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oY1kdcA57CCygbSii3e8ic9G+1i6CSzhGpt8YpBSkA45hVDP02OjaCgh/HyBfn41BbV9oFXpCLKNGSPiJG/+C2+hN94wfR+nYJscYe1u2FHX41dpBb7clyMzemjlu9JccnocmOHjAgta8iULspplekp/0+rFb2fu7WJ3PfeMlOo= ; Message-ID: <20051207193109.28052.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:31:09 PST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512071903.jB7J0ChK058462@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Kate and the forehead cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO your forehead cloth puts me in mind of the cap and undercap combination worn by the early moravian settlers in North Carolina. (haube?) The interpreters in Old Salem up in Winston-Salem still wear them sometimes. It gives a very non-18th cent/non-american look 18 cent Mia in CHarlottetown --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. 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Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 7/12/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-43974FDC197C======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======AVGMAIL-43974FDC197C=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 16:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7LrI6T022195 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7Lhn5H066121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7Lhckj099078; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7LhRY5098861 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB7LhLFJ003370 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:43:21 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2005 16:43:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4h171h$1icqeok@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,226,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1691171604:sNHT23105222" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:43:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcX7dztesmUxzrPeQQOqTwGdzT7R7g== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 17:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7M7Nqk022602 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:07:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7Lw2aJ068239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7LvoFV011128; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7LvYPU010877 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120721572901300cch7he>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:57:29 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:57:29 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:57:29 +0000 Message-Id: <120720052157.4246.43975AC9000039DE0000109622058861729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rebecca, I always suggest "The Embroidery Stitch Bible" by Betty Barnden, ISBN 0873495101, to my beginning students. The other one I would suggest is "Encyclopedia of Needlework" by Donna Kooler, ISBN 1574861840. I had a few others, but I have doled those out to a couple of my needlework students. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > > ******************************************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 17:13:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7MD2wS022863 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:13:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7M8rQe069641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7M8m4g020361; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7M8deN020179 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 832964437 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:08:34 -0600 Message-ID: <055c01c5fb7a$cb395040$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <120720052157.4246.43975AC9000039DE0000109622058861729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:08:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rebecca, I have one I really like. Lots of step-by-step photos and it's spiral bound so it lays flat. A~Z of Embroidery Stitches from the publishers of Inspirations Magazine ISBN 0646320025 I haven't had it more than a couple of years, but I don't know if it's still available new. The copyright is 1997. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 21:31:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB82VSbR027337 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:31:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB82TPXo017943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB82TK7t012624; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB82TGOe012605 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m50.in-tch.com [216.166.191.50]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB82Lak28510 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:21:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006a01c5fba0$2088c2e0$32bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <120720052157.4246.43975AC9000039DE0000109622058861729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:35:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite suggestion would be Erica Wilson's Embroidery Book, but it's rather distinctly out of print. ;o( --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please > Rebecca, > > I always suggest "The Embroidery Stitch Bible" by Betty Barnden, ISBN 0873495101, to my beginning students. The other one I would suggest is "Encyclopedia of Needlework" by Donna Kooler, ISBN 1574861840. I had a few others, but I have doled those out to a couple of my needlework students. > > Roscelin > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > Rebecca Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 01:15:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB86F3d6030549 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB86C6Y1041397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB86BxX4031450; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB86BtMs031350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB87ldX1005678 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:47:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:14:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512080114.15660.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 07 December 2005 2:38 am, A & J Garden wrote: > Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not > realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses > for sale. > Thanks, Aylwen Garden I don't sell on EBay (though I often shop there) but my guess is that the following portion of their canned message to you explains the problem. [snip] > * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not > permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, > authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the > specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially > endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of > our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand > names. You mentioned "Jane Austen" in the heading, so it was probably flagged automatically by their system even though she's been dead nearly 200 years. :-) It may also be that their policy prohibits the use of movie titles in item captions also. > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html Might help explain too. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 09:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8E63Io002273 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:06:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8E4B64091047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8E44Fg083009; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8E41mE082949 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E697E18F4C for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb39.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.439476e7.252ea for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DmD1QATF+zQIAAAAB,246cade28479560dd92abe1449be5258 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051208060400.FBF2B658@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I felt so sorry for the 'beast' ...... poor thing..... But yes, there certainly was some eye candy. Joannah. --- "Helen Pinto" wrote: From: "Helen Pinto" Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:22:12 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies Bjarne wrote: > There was also a film i liked called The company of the Warewolf, or > something like that. French but two bloody and two much fighting in it. > Costumes are very nice though. If it was released only a couple of years ago, you probably mean "Le Pacte des Loups", released in the US as "Brotherhood of the Wolf". You're right about the blood and the fighting; it is, more or less, an 18th c martial arts movie. (But I like those...) And it did have some nice eye candy... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 09:51:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8Epolf003053 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:51:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8EhWLC095035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8EhU6R006663; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8EhR1i006627 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 17DC847FED9 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:43:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004101c5fc05$c22c5b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kate, How nice finally to be able to know how you look like. I surfed at your site and it looks great. It must be very fun to have such a group. I am very fund of early music including 17th century, and it is such a joy to hear it. Always admired people who could perform music, i never learned, but then again, you cant do it all - or what? Thanks for sharing.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last > The proposed website for our Renaissance music group still hasn't got off > the ground, but you can now see a couple of photos of me in costume on the > Sealed Knot Living History Group website > http://livinghistorygroup.co.uk/musicians.htm . In the first, I'm wearing > a linen Hollar-style cap made from Kass McGann's pattern. I know the > forehead cloth with it is probably not strictly correct, but it hides my > thick fringe (bangs) which is inappropriate for the period. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 10:46:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8FkmUp003871 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:46:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8Fgqm7002105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8FT5UV037435; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8FSwu2037316 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AA4826289E for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:28:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006601c5fc0c$21b60030$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1d4.49b4c7b9.30c78103@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: tissue Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:29:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for enlightening me, Well tissue paper is quit cheap here two, but i stick to calico. I have zigzagged a few pieces cut out for the right hoop frames, and i can wash them frequently. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: tissue > I've obviously missed a chunk of this somewhere along the line, so sorry > if > am repeating. > >> Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the >> >hoop protected by the outer hoop? > > The main reason to use the tissue is to protect the fabric from the hoop > itself, as it can cause indentations if working with a soft fabric. Also, > if the > hoop you have to hand is smaller than the overall piece, and you have to > reposition it, the tissue will protect the work you've already done from > being > squashed by the hoop. Plus, I tend to find that my fingers always overlap > the > edge of the hoop (I use quite thin wooden ones), and the natural oils from > my > fingers will sooner or later mucky up the bit I'm holding. If I can > manage to > hold onto tissue instead that doesn't happen as much, so easier to clean. > >>If it is the rest of the fabric you > are worried about then I could see >>why >> you'd want to >place a piece of tissue paper over the entire embroidery >> (with the inner hoop >underneath) >> >place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to >> >work. > > That's exactly the way you're meant to use it. (But that's much better > but > than when I tried to describe it.) > >>Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > >> >differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. > > Silk paper here (UK) is also quite expensive (couple of quid a sheet), and > is > the handmade stuff with raw silk in it - it's an art paper, and I wouldn't > ever suggest using that (the uneven texture could in fact do more harm > than good > with a particularly delicate piece). > >> >Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It > >> >is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light >> >and easily torn). > > That's what tissue is in the UK, too. Although we tend to use wrapping > paper > for gifts instead. As a guide, a ream (500 sheets) of tissue paper about > A2 > sized would cost me about 8 pounds (I think - something like that). > > I also always try to use acid free tissue, as well (although if only a > quick > job it wouldn't matter *that* much). I just tend to keep projects going > for > ages, so like to be safe! > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8JLqHT007681 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8JJ96T063161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JJ4cC048557; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:19:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JIwS2048490 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B3C6926282A for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:18:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c5fc2c$448ed8a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4h171h$1icqeok@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:19:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO DEAR Rebecca There is no such thing as a beginner (i hope not) You combine stitch and stitch and become at last Master embroiderer I would love to be gifted with a stitch dictionary If i didnt know anything at all. Then i would know something. You know i have still problems with my email Dont know what to do. Do i have to buy a new harddisk? My mother considers me a whit? jarne. From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > > ******************************************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8JOjgK007750 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:24:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8JNABl064919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JMwqN052129; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JMeQH051900 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5585A47FF03 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:22:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003a01c5fc2c$c8ed4280$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:22:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8JZKx8007976 for ; 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Message-ID: <20051208141044.94264.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:10:44 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006a01c5fba0$2088c2e0$32bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: My favorite suggestion would be Erica Wilson's Embroidery Book, but it's rather distinctly out of print. ;o( --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please > Rebecca, > > I always suggest "The Embroidery Stitch Bible" by Betty Barnden, ISBN 0873495101, to my beginning students. The other one I would suggest is "Encyclopedia of Needlework" by Donna Kooler, ISBN 1574861840. I had a few others, but I have doled those out to a couple of my needlework students. > > Roscelin > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > Rebecca Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8Jikfl008123 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8JcnQJ071053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JclLM066196; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB8JcgIC066059 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58202 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2005 19:38:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jWq2SAi53NCtv9OPma72ZJ5o9UOEH4p5RXEn0GUr6emVKhamRPCKLZEBsGdadhus84N0XU8jNEfZkbCaIYze8EfkoM3Hw9IOGCkSo5HhPve83ZfXdZrFhE2j2JbtYQ4G9U8D2ipOxyRBkEDlXMOJXbg0U8AOeuk5czW945jRRbI= ; Message-ID: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:38:36 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512081904.jB8J0b4e032555@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing it to Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking about the silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off white color. The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s black velvet mens suit and they had it displayed with some reproduction blonde frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I can't find here in North Carolina) 18c Mia in Charlottetown, NC, getting ready to go to a Back-county Carolinas Christmas. I'm Mrs. Judge Irwin, and will be helping him politic at the bonfire. (Think guns shooting, whisky and general noisemaking) I might try to do my hair 'a la mouton" this year, when one is ajudges wife, one leads the fashions. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! 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Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:02:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4398AF59.1000900@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:10:33 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Unicorn Tapestry & Mathematicians: upcoming lecture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is in Boston, but if they're taking it on the road, maybe they will go other places too: Y'all may remember a very interesting article a few months ago about the peculiar needs of the Met/Cloisters when photographing the Unicorn in Captivity series. The mathematicians involved are going to be giving a lecture about it on January 18th at the Museum of Science in Boston: Article link: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050411fa_fact MoS: http://www.mos.org/doc/1136 The The Unicorn in Captivity 7:00 pm, January 18, 2006 (Wednesday) Cahners Theater Series: 2005 When Science Meets Art To create an exact visual reproduction of one of the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s Unicorn Tapestries, digital cameras photographed every inch. When the hundreds of digital photographic files didn’t fit smoothly together, the Chudnovsky brothers with their supercomputer were brought in to figure it out. A limited number of tickets will be sold for seats in the theater with the speakers. Tickets: $10/night. Includes dessert reception. Advance purchase is strongly recommended. Limited additional seating in a separate theater with simulcast projection of the event will be available for FREE thanks to the generosity of the Lowell Institute. Free seating tickets to the simulcast available to the general public in the Museum lobby beginning at 5:45 p.m. the evening of the program; first come, first served. Featuring: David & Gregory Chudnovsky, Directors, Institute for Mathematics and Advanced Supercomputing -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 18:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8NDW6D011285 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:13:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8NBdk4007057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8NBSJV055214; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8NBGhG055067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:10 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote: >Sue Clemenger wrote: My favorite suggestion would be >Erica Wilson's Embroidery Book, but it's >rather distinctly out of print. ;o( >--Sue I see that book on eBay and half.com a lot for very little. It's worth a lookup. Also checkout addall.com for both used and new book searches. Sometimes the cheapest book may not be in the US, even with shipping added in. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 07:27:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9CQxLR006801 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:27:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9CN3gJ010941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9CMx72003499; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9CMruQ003406 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:22:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4399771E.4050805@msn.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:22:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2005 12:22:47.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[4391A6F0:01C5FCBB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bookfinder.com too. If you are looking for something with a foreign author, be sure to also check the other languages...they often pop up there, but not necessarily when English is selected. I have purchased a number of books from overseas and been very happy with service, etc. Sg Kitty Felton wrote: > try Bibliofind, I've found lots of books that have been out of print, > some even a century old. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 14:34:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9JYt8U013509 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:34:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9JYKZL063392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:34:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9JY9gE043537; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9JXovo043245 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.ff.217350ef (3890) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:33:37 EST Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Royal School of Needlework Embroidery Techniques, published by Batsford, ISBN: 0713488174 It's fabulous - covers materials, beginning, and there's a chapter each on black work, silk shading, goldwork, and crewelwork. It has a few simple projects to complete in each section, and covers a bit of the history. Each section is written by a 'graduate' of the RSN's apprenticeship. Also has some stunning pics from the RSN's archive. Debs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 16:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9L6rh5014844 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:06:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9L6DYc076724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9L69GD030524; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9L63na030427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-151.sonic.net [209.148.114.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9L5uYe012370 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: <4399F1D7.4020104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:06:31 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need cotton socks for dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've almost run out of Dharma Trading Company's "Men's and Women's Socks - 3 pack." It turns out Dharma is now out of stock and will not be getting any for the undefined future. Dharma also has some organic socks that they admit dye with a "heathered" effect, that is the elastic shows up as white bits. I've dyed some socks like that and don't like the heathering much. Thing is, I think 100% cotton socks are never really 100% cotton, they all have elastic in them that does not take Procion dyes. The good thing about the socks Dharma ran out of, is that the cotton covers the elastic so well you hardly see it. What I am getting at is, does anyone have another source for 100% cotton women's socks (men's are too big for me) that they know from experience, or a dyer's recommendation, do not have enough visible elastic to "heather"? Thanks for any info, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 17:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9MIYiu016028 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:18:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9MHtbD085253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9MHfdG093748; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9M6klq084399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EkqNk-0003aK-MN; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:06:24 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:06:24 -0600 Message-ID: <20051209160624.e66lo2e1edc0scws@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:06:24 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Kitty Felton : > try Bibliofind, I've found lots of books that have been out of print, > some even a century old. > > eBay. Erica Wilson shows up all the time on eBay -- as to several other good embriodery books. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 17:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9MilGY016442 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9MiJnb088740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9MiBSY016909; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:44:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9Mi1ux016805 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-128.cvip.net [129.8.204.128]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1B916934 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:43:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051209144015.0350a780@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:41:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print In-Reply-To: <20051209160624.e66lo2e1edc0scws@www.goldsword.com> References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> <20051209160624.e66lo2e1edc0scws@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:06 PM 12/9/2005, you wrote: >eBay. Erica Wilson shows up all the time on eBay -- as to several other >good embriodery books. > >Susan What other books on embroidery would you consider good ones? I have a few that have already been mentioned, but I am looking for something beyond beginner myself, and would love suggestions. Thank you, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 10 18:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBANqksc008211 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:52:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBANqCnE044690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:52:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBANq6gt040809; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBANq1ok040750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0079.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.79]:4942 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ElEVT-0002hk-CI for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <439B6A1F.8030109@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:51:59 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512101900.jBAJ08h3010402@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512101900.jBAJ08h3010402@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Embroidery books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Erica Wilson is a master embroidery expert and would be a good one to get for anyone interested in embroidery. she has many books out and any of them would be an encyclopedia for the rest of us. > > What other books on embroidery would you consider good ones? > > I have a few that have already been mentioned, but I am looking for > something beyond beginner myself, and would love suggestions. > > Thank you, > > Kimiko > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 10:48:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBFmH8r001513 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:48:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBFlc2A032950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBFlWhS078288; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBBFlQ85078204 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36369 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2005 15:47:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x9kPkGDjQp7mUDcTnIX0QIynps5wa2sbf8LtUqkzcxc8/ttud/UUsLjLXvWrqp3WPvP+w/1kEoGYErUvEotM4ARimtNkzkHJtzaFEBGS7ZQLTvB0TRLp6wcB7E571E3TCEpLFhYaQG7qFP5FdAmuSYYlrK3PSqw1Cohek4Kv5eM= ; Message-ID: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:21 PST Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The question posted earlier got me thinking that I need a dress form too. I know very little about them except that they can be quite useful. Which ones are the easiest to work with and adjust, and are some more compatible with adjustments for certain body types? Specifically - short back/long hip, small rib cage and waist but broad shoulders and largish bust. I took a quick peek online at Hancocks and they currently have one on sale for $99. This brought up the questions as this basic one doesn't look like it would adjust very well to what is required. The Prym-Dritz twin fit looks like it might be more amenable to the proper measurements. I'm looking for one that would be appropriate for both costuming and 'modern' clothing. What all is out there and what have been everyone's experiences? What would be considered a reasonable price? Thanks, Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 10:56:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBFusOE001734 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBFuNKQ033700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBFuM0F082398; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:56:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBBFuIFn082332 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:56:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27004 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 15:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 15:56:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051211155136.01d8d190@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:56:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions In-Reply-To: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:47 11/12/2005, you wrote: > The question posted earlier got me thinking that I need a dress > form too. I know very little about them except that they can be > quite useful. Which ones are the easiest to work with and adjust, > and are some more compatible with adjustments for certain body > types? Specifically - short back/long hip, small rib cage and waist > but broad shoulders and largish bust. > > I took a quick peek online at Hancocks and they currently have > one on sale for $99. This brought up the questions as this basic > one doesn't look like it would adjust very well to what is > required. The Prym-Dritz twin fit looks like it might be more > amenable to the proper measurements. > > I'm looking for one that would be appropriate for both costuming > and 'modern' clothing. > > What all is out there and what have been everyone's experiences? > What would be considered a reasonable price? I know a lot of people prefer them, but I really cannot get on with adjustable stands, The gap in front is always where I want to put pins. I personally recommend buying a stand one size smaller than you actually need and padding it with batting, or fleece, till it is the same shape as you, then covering with an old T-shirt. As a professional maker I only have three sizes, all solid. One is tiny, one medium, and one large, plus one male, medium, stand. These work for all the different sizes I have to cater for, with padding. As I am in the U.K. there is no point in me recommending a particular brand. I hope that helps you make your decision. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 11:11:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBGBuDp002062 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBGBQS5034855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBGBOED089907; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBGBLU3089863 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([70.50.38.92]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20051211161120.QUVD16473.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20051211110124.00b48c68@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:11:06 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] dress forms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi and I have conversed about this before. ;o) I use the adjustable dress forms combined with the "Fabulous Fit" padding system which ends up covering the gap caused by the adjustable panels. Cost is a major factor. The solid professional dress forms can be quite expensive if you don't have a second hand source for them. I own two adjustable forms - one "regular" sized, one "full figured" girl. I recently acquired a lovely solid form which suits my own figure very well. I would eventually love to own a man's form and a small sized form. I think, for you, it depends on weather you are sewing for others or only for yourself. If only for yourself, you really don't need to worry about adjustable sizing. I've *heard* that some of the squish-able forms (My Twin?) are excellent when working with corseted period clothing as they will somewhat mimic the body when corseted. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 15:34:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBKYfDA008085 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:34:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBKYBkq056550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBKY2oM031933; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBKXwhA031871 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D5E0FA0F63; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:34:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.198.117.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.198.117]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C62CBA08CC for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:32:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <002701c5fe92$0fde62c0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20051211110124.00b48c68@pop8.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress forms Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:32:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently got a Uniquely You dress form, which is one of the squishy foam types that you zip into a cover. I got the medium size, which according to the numbers should have been the right fit for me, but it decidedly wasn't. The bust was about 4-5 inches too low--and my bust isn't unusually high--which meant that no matter how well I fitted the cover, it would never work. In order to make it useable, I had to split the thing into front and back halves, alter it from the inside, and glue it back together. I then made a completely new custom fitted cover that laced closed front and back, since the foam body was so big that the zipper on the included cover simply could not be closed when the cover fitted properly. When I first got the thing, I thought I should have gotten a small instead of a medium; however, if I had to do it all over again now, I'd skip it completely and go for one of the pad-to-size types like Fabulous Fit. After all my altering, the one I've got is a 98% perfect duplicate, but oy--I'm not sure it was worth all the effort. I'd eBay for it, though, because those are pretty expensive! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 16:26:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBLQAwY009249 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBLPOPt062102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBLPLVN061195; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f25.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBLPGkL061113 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:25:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:25:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:25:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2005 21:25:12.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F1F10D0:01C5FE99] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All I have is your basic model. I'm a historical costumer by trade, working for museums, and this is all I ever needed for women's clothes. You can't really get one that adjusts to many different styles needed for the different time periods. Corsets mounted on a dress dolly can shrink the padding underneath, which makes getting an accurate fit difficult. I still rely on fitting on the person. I use the dolly to support garments while I hem them, hanging bias garments out, checking sleeve alignment, that sort of thing. I sometimes mount projects on the dolly to take photos and see how things are looking. I would like to upgrade to a professional hard tailor's dolly as they tend to be a little more stable and don't tip. I've used the foam ones, but don't really care for them as they tend to go out of shape and stay that way if you corset them, that and they off gas (smell). I'd get yourself a basic model. Often they can be found second hand for as little as $10. Then get a sloper fitted to you, and use that to pad out your dolly. Use non twill fabric in the sloper as it will streatch, and be prepared to re check the fit from time to time. Happy dolly buying, Kelly Grant (SCA estela du frayse) "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Kahlara >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume@indra.com" >Subject: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions >Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) > > The question posted earlier got me thinking that I need a dress form >too. I know very little about them except that they can be quite useful. >Which ones are the easiest to work with and adjust, and are some more >compatible with adjustments for certain body types? Specifically - short >back/long hip, small rib cage and waist but broad shoulders and largish >bust. > > I took a quick peek online at Hancocks and they currently have one on >sale for $99. This brought up the questions as this basic one doesn't look >like it would adjust very well to what is required. The Prym-Dritz twin fit >looks like it might be more amenable to the proper measurements. > > I'm looking for one that would be appropriate for both costuming and >'modern' clothing. > > What all is out there and what have been everyone's experiences? What >would be considered a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Annette M > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 19:59:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBC0xLQn013449 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBC0wdX6080360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC0wXoJ067303; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC0wJwE067173 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.174] (pm5-174.eos.net [205.133.149.174]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBC0wKED014309 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:58:20 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:46:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512111900.jBBJ07Uv081509@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] narnia movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, so who saw "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" this weekend??? The kids' 40s costumes looked good to me. The king and queen costumes at the end -- blech. There was a lot of great armour, and some really beautiful tents. Susan's first Narnia dress was particularly nice, the other kids' clothes passable. But what the heck was the White Witch wearing at the beginning? Some sort of prom dress gone bad, and I don't even know how to DESCRIBE what was going on with the shoulders. She eventually changed clothes, thank goodness. This is not a costume snob's description, either -- my 11-year-old daughter could not stop talking about how ugly it was. Plus she had dreadlocks, which look a bit weird on a blonde Englishwoman. I guess she turned all her hairdressers to stone. We enjoyed the movie immensely, despite quibbles about costume and other things. It was a lot of fun, very enjoyable. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 23:53:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBC4rv38017900 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:53:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBC4qMu0001215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC4qH9R082181; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC4psVm081978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from [168.144.251.224] (helo=M2W110.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ElffA-0008Vu-EA for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220051211245251156@M2W110.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 69.238.170.234 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "lizyoung@fenris.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:52:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] narnia movie X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBC4psVm081978 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Original Message: ----------------- From: Gail & Scott Finke gailscott@eos.net Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:46:20 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] narnia movie Okay, so who saw "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" this weekend??? The kids' 40s costumes looked good to me. The king and queen costumes at the end -- blech. There was a lot of great armour, and some really beautiful tents. Susan's first Narnia dress was particularly nice, the other kids' clothes passable. But what the heck was the White Witch wearing at the beginning? Some sort of prom dress gone bad, and I don't even know how to DESCRIBE what was going on with the shoulders. -------------------- I thought the king and queen costumes at the end looked very pre-raphaelite, just right for some odd reason. I finally came to terms with the witch's dress by deciding that it was a sort of a dress-shaped shell, like an icy coating. liz young -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 00:32:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBC5WPs9018491 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:32:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBC5W13E004745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC5Vx3S001888; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC5VuI9001828 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.207.ef1a562 (58435) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <207.ef1a562.30ce6540@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:31:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress forms To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Like Suzi, I have problems with adjustable stands - the gaps are *always* in the wrong places. That said, you can get some that have bits to cover the gaps, and they're fabulous (I used my Nana's to death when I was a kid). I do have an adjustable female form (small - medium) that I use occasionally, but I find myself more and more using solid ones (pinnable, and paddable), and padding them as necessary. A brand new professional solid dummy can cost quite a lot (as much as 800 pounds) - but you can get them second hand, and some shop display forms (the heavier duty kind) are quite acceptable for the kind of 'light' use most costumers put them through, which is nothing like what they'd get in a factory, (my male one even copes with padded armour). Quite a ot of shopfitting stores, etc have second hand ones (that's in the UK, but I can't see it being that much different over there). Ebay is also quite a good place for them, but find out what they're made from - avoid the cheap polystyrene kind like the plague - you'd really need the yellowy coloured moulded foam kind. Like Suzi, I obviously can't suggest a make or supplier, as shipping across the Atlantic is a bit pointless! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 06:13:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCBDEf5010895 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCBCYUu044805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBCS0i053873; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBCPe2053819 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CA1BE9E0 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:25 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an evening bodice for the dress. The dress is very simple and made from cotton. But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a dress for me. This is the dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 06:24:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCBOYu8014248 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:24:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCBO5BM046929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBO4TY058837; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:24:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBCBNwut058741 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42565 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 11:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 11:23:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051212112112.01d967d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:23:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question In-Reply-To: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:12 12/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to >make an evening bodice for the dress. >The dress is very simple and made from cotton. >But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband >and a dress for me. > >This is the dress >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html It is quite normal to have a second bodice for a dress in both bustle periods. I have usually seen them in silk, but I see no reason why you should not make one to match your skirt. It would only matter if someone in the group you are with took it into his/her head to complain. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 06:36:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCBaCLC018773 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:36:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCBZs1P047629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBZqUa064391; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBZmC8064376 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:35:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:35:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2005 11:35:48.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[32A7BB20:01C5FF10] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't see why you couldn't. There are extant examples of dresses with different bodices. Mind you, they are made of different material than cotton, but I think you would look and feel better if you were dressed in an appropriate style to match your husband's attire. People won't notice the cotton so much, especially from a bit of distance. Have fun at your event! Kelly/estela www.goldenoakinn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > Hi, > > I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an > evening bodice for the dress. > The dress is very simple and made from cotton. > But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a > dress for me. > > This is the dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 10:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCF7Qp3027377 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCF5wVL064291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCF5pGC072785; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCF5jec072669 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:05:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 39905198 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:06:06 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:05:39 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c5ff2d$83774490$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 13, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere-- I have seen many 19th century dresses with two bodices, one for day and one for evening. Looking at your dress, I wonder if you could leave the apron off the skirt for evening wear? That checked fabric is very "daytime," not formal enough for evening. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Hi, I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an evening bodice for the dress. The dress is very simple and made from cotton. But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a dress for me. This is the dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 10:19:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCFJ64s027778 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:19:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCFIakQ065540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCFIYjo081572; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCFIUp5081448 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IRE003FA55526B5@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:17:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:17:34 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I agree that the queen's first dress was majorly weird, but I actually liked how the dreadlocks looked, i thought they were cool. of course, I (a blond blue eyed white girl) had dreadlocks once so i obviously like them. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 10:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCFW13e028041 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kim's suggestion is a good one. You might make another 'apron' of, say, cotton moire that would dress it UP...whatever you choose for the second bodice. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > Deredere-- > > I have seen many 19th century dresses with two bodices, one for day and > one for evening. > > Looking at your dress, I wonder if you could leave the apron off the > skirt for evening wear? That checked fabric is very "daytime," not > formal enough for evening. > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:12 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > > > Hi, > > I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make > an evening bodice for the dress. > The dress is very simple and made from cotton. > But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a > dress for me. > > This is the dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 11:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCG46cI028625 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:04:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCG3jmV070243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCG3f0t016002; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCG3WNf015772 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e1.21a07954 (16098) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D43 (fwm-d43.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.19]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee2439d9f41ee; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Received: from 70.149.39.191 by FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.19) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:13 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.19 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere , Is there any way you could do an overlay for the top of the skirt, that way it would be a little more fancy. -----Original Message----- From: Deredere Galbraith To: Historical Costume Sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:25 +0100 Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Hi, I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an evening bodice for the dress. The dress is very simple and made from cotton. But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a dress for me. This is the dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 11:58:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCGwM9e029595 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCGvhNm077496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCGvcS5064658; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCGvZjK064592 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D5FAF1BCCE9; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.13.154.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.13.154]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 133DC1BD05E for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:48:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:48:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought the witch's dresses towards the beginning looked very odd (especially the weird sticking-out-six-inches-at-the-back thing) but I think the material it was made of was pretty well chosen; it looked more like it was sort of magically grown than made, which strikes me as right. I did like her last two dresses, though--the strapless dark brown one, and the maned chain mail battle outfit. Wonder how much that one weighed; to me it actually looked like chain mail rather than that fake metallic knit stuff that some movies use to impersonate chain mail. The mane was a nice touch. It seemed like something Jadis would do. I like both Susan and Lucy's Narnian dresses. Their coronation gowns... I didn't hate them, but I was hoping for something a bit more spectacular. >From a standpoint of what was right for the movie, they sort of make sense to me; this is supposed to be a country without humans, so they probably didn't exactly have a lot of human coronation gowns laying around, nor garment-makers with tons of experience at making human clothing. Where on earth were they supposed to have gotten those earlier Narnia dresses, anyway? The adult Susan and Lucy dresses disappointed me a bit, though I liked the purple/plum one. (I couldn't quite tell which one was Su and which was Lu there.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 12:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCHwneb030519 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCHw8WE086490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCHw2lG022422; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:58:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCHvtcZ022206 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB87BECEC for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:57:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:57:44 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. And I won't be able to buy new fabric. It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. But you all gave me some ideas. What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. And also use the lace on the evening bodice. And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. Maby that will do it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 13:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCI63mt030653 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:06:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCI5VLT087411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCI5Pq3029790; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCI5KDo029602 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bb.6624d8b3 (15887) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D17 (fwm-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.209]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f439dbbd4389; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500 From: morses3@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7CD5DB8922374-1E44-4D4@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.13.200.37 by FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.209) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:07 -0500 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.209 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Books on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I found a collection of costume related books this weekend at an estate sale and there were several that I aleady had (I had to buy them all as a lot), so I've listed the ones I didn't need on eBay under my seller id mayflower . There are several harder to find ones, including a two volume set of Davenport's THE BOOK OF COSTUME, THE MODE IN FURS, etc. There are also four huge lots of medieval and renaissance related books that I boxed up as lots that included some costume books as well. Thanks, I thought someone might be able to find something they've been looking for.......... Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 13:27:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCIRqL0030970 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCIRLX4089764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCIRFWX050304; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCIR7uK050131 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.142.52a35f0b (58550) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:27:00 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <142.52a35f0b.30cf1af4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:27:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/12/2005 10:07:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: Looking at your dress, I wonder if you could leave the apron off the skirt for evening wear? That checked fabric is very "daytime," not formal enough for evening. I agree about the checked fabric, but you seem to be stuck with it for the ruffle, unless you can face taking it off. If you have to leave it intact, yes, take off the apron, make one in a different fabric, and maybe use the check as trim on the evening bodice--a ruffle around a low neck, perhaps? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 14:48:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCJmmpr032569 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCJfnTY099701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCJfgdX020049; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCJfPkK019767 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501B33D082 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:41:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <439DD29E.9060603@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:42:22 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question References: <142.52a35f0b.30cf1af4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <142.52a35f0b.30cf1af4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I agree about the checked fabric, but you seem to be stuck with it for the > ruffle, unless you can face taking it off. If you have to leave it intact, > yes, take off the apron, make one in a different fabric, and maybe use the check > as trim on the evening bodice--a ruffle around a low neck, perhaps? > I agree with Ann above, if you have more of the solid purple use it to make some kind of drape for the back of the dress. Didn't evening gowns have trains? Lots of satin ribbon on the back drape, maybe some bows or something dimensional, too. Seems like a lot of sewing, but satin ribbon can all go on by machine. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 15:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCKLBPH000744 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCKKZvl004781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKKVlq055309; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKKSet055160 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.23c.3796252 (18251) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <23c.3796252.30cf3581@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:20:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > Seems like a lot of sewing, but satin ribbon > can all go on by machine. > > Not really since a plain ol' length of fabric can be gunched and bunched up with pins or tacking into a beautiful drape for the train. And lots of tortured bows can be pin on from behind too. It's a shame, since you already have the correct underpinnings and a pattern you know works, you cannot just get some fantastic fabric and make a plain gown to wear. Y'know, not a bunch of flounces and ruffles but a striking stripped down elegant gown is some fabric that is itself the design and the draw...a rich green cut velvet or a red and gold satin brocade. I bet you could whip it up in a matter of hours. But 8 to 10 yards of such fabric adds up fast! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 15:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCKXi9H000965 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCKX2g0006263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKWrfj066351; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKWkkt066181 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE640318; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:32:36 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 12 Dec 2005 15:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c5ff5b$6108ca40$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl><8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:33:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And don't forget, this was a period when fringes were popular! You can use cotton or chenille, 1"-3" would be suitable. I have been using some of the fancy yarns lately for color, texture, and economy to create my own trims. They emulate antique items in my collection. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. > And I won't be able to buy new fabric. > It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. > It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. > > But you all gave me some ideas. > What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. > And also use the lace on the evening bodice. > And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. > Maby that will do it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 18:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCNYbwF006068 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCNXwZ5029228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCNXrC0086695; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCNXlr7086611 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-4-185.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.4.185]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2005 07:33:33 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <439E0A77.6030409@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:40:39 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl><8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <002901c5ff5b$6108ca40$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002901c5ff5b$6108ca40$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love fringes and use them on all of my bustle gowns - have you had a look at the dresses on the Truly Victorian website - they can give you lots of ideas. I added black trim to my purple gown. http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/picturepro/nfpicturepro/index.php http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/photo.html Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.aylwen.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >And don't forget, this was a period when fringes were popular! You can use >cotton or chenille, 1"-3" would be suitable. I have been using some of the >fancy yarns lately for color, texture, and economy to create my own trims. >They emulate antique items in my collection. >Kathleen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Deredere Galbraith" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:57 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > > > > >>Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. >>And I won't be able to buy new fabric. >>It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. >>It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. >> >>But you all gave me some ideas. >>What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. >>And also use the lace on the evening bodice. >>And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. >>Maby that will do it. >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 21:15:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBD2FGr4009118 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:15:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD2Eb9O050233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD2EVpM095780; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD2ERn9095665 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.64d33792 (16930) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:14:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <66.64d33792.30cf887b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:14:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mrs Henderson X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Been meaning to add this for a few days now, and the narnia thread reminded me - went to see 'Mrs Henderson Presents' (about the Windmill Theatre) last weekend, and have to say that it was fabulous (and the costumes were wonderful). Judy Dench and Bob Hoskins were VG, and even Will Young wasn't too bad! Thoroughly reccommend seeing. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 22:50:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBD3o8Xt010694 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD3nDc6060758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:49:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD3n7Gr048642; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD3n3B2048567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD5P0JN012736 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:25:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:51:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512122251.37373.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 12 December 2005 12:57 pm, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. > And I won't be able to buy new fabric. > It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. > It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. > > But you all gave me some ideas. > What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. > And also use the lace on the evening bodice. > And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. > Maby that will do it. If I were doing it, I'd consider making a new apron, to completely cover the checked one, for evening wear. But if you can't find a suitable fabric, there goes that idea. (Have you considered solid white or ivory? That might work). -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 01:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBD6l7lh013640 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD6kbEb081823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD6kYkv042247; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD6kTSA042203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0148.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.148]:1785 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1Em3vj-0002nK-LD for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:46:32 -0500 Message-ID: <439E6E41.8010801@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:46:25 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512121758.jBCHwb42023083@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512121758.jBCHwb42023083@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Colonial costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I have a friend who wants to make a colonial costume. She is as heavy as I am, about as wide as she is tall in the body, but has a short upper body compared to mine. She wants to do a stomacher to minimize the width, and wonders how her skirt should look. I can't find any pattern sites with a stomacher for colonial patterns, and my best guess for her is to make an over skirt to draw the lace overlay from the stomacher to the skirt and keep the eye moving and not fixated on the width. Any other ideas? I'd like to be able to email her some photos or sites to help her visualize the ideas if anyone has anything to help her. thanks, Kitty Oh. she is basically doing an impression, not perfect accuracy. She's never tried a corset and I'm not sure if I should offer to let her try mine. LOL I think mine might be too long anyway. Any help gratefully recieved, thanks, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 05:44:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDAiLKk032042 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDAhxdr018075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDAhtED053226; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDAhncl053163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBDAZRfN031353 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:35:27 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:35:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:46 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > this is supposed to be a country without humans, so they probably > didn't exactly have a lot of human coronation gowns laying around, nor > garment-makers with tons of experience at making human clothing. Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have been supplies and skill of some level. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 06:19:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDBJtkE004675 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:19:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDBJbjE021781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDBJZoE071191; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDBJVxD071129 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28e.1fa0ca2 (2519) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <28e.1fa0ca2.30d00838@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:19:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:47:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, basyefelton@floodcity.net writes: She is as heavy as I am, about as wide as she is tall in the body, but has a short upper body compared to mine. There is evidence of some fairly large women in Colonial America. I'm thinking of a painting of a woman in a green damask dress--someone on this list probably knows the one I mean. I can't remember if that dress has a stomacher or not, but, if it does, I believe it is plain and of the same fabric as the dress. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 08:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDDcC4Q026990 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:38:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDDbeJU032770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDbWSe043722; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDbO4Y043604 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:37:18 -0800 Message-ID: <439ECEA0.3060401@msn.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:36 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another h-cost archive? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2005 13:37:18.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[5651AAB0:01C5FFEA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nice, but odd. I poked around a bit and can't seem to find a way to look at them by year and how far back they go...they say they have been "doing it" since 1998. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Robin Netherton wrote: >I have just noticed that h-costume has been archived at mail-archive.com >since August: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 08:45:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDDjAvB027294 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDDi3DR033528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDi08c047949; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDhvor047849 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: <439ED029.4050004@msn.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:09 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mrs Henderson References: <66.64d33792.30cf887b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <66.64d33792.30cf887b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2005 13:43:51.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[403D16F0:01C5FFEB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Trailer here! Looks Fab! Costumes fun too! http://www.mrshendersonthemovie.com/ Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >Been meaning to add this for a few days now, and the narnia thread reminded >me - went to see 'Mrs Henderson Presents' (about the Windmill Theatre) last >weekend, and have to say that it was fabulous (and the costumes were wonderful). >Judy Dench and Bob Hoskins were VG, and even Will Young wasn't too bad! > >Thoroughly reccommend seeing. > >Debs >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:03:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDE3E8P028138 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:03:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDE2Rdp035905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE2Obx059655; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE2Lcc059583 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:02:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1dd.4b821639 (15900) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M08 (fwm-m08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.72]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c439ed4622b5; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:07 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CE04F05EC8A5-12A0-1C90@FWM-M08.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:07 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not to mention that surrounding Narnia are countries where the predominant critters are humans. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Virtue To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie > this is supposed to be a country without humans, so they probably > didn't exactly have a lot of human coronation gowns laying around, nor > garment-makers with tons of experience at making human clothing. Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have been supplies and skill of some level. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:03:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDE3v4E028188 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:03:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDE3gUW036055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE3gpt060417; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE3cPm060373 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24793.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.147]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 114182628A8 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my knolledge i know is from studying portraits. Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has the same colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was .........well blonde in colour, and i think it is rarely used for mens shirts. I have read somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie Antoinettes favourite lace, but i think it was used for trimmings on dresses.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question > This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing it to > Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style > > Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking about the > silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off white color. The > exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s > black velvet mens suit and they had it displayed with some reproduction > blonde frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a > very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I can't find > here in North Carolina) > > 18c Mia in Charlottetown, NC, getting ready to go to a Back-county > Carolinas Christmas. I'm Mrs. Judge Irwin, and will be helping him > politic at the bonfire. (Think guns shooting, whisky and general > noisemaking) I might try to do my hair 'a la mouton" this year, when one > is ajudges wife, one leads the fashions. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:08:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDE8vXC028582 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:08:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDE8GMK036620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE8ENF063185; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE89Pe063094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.108] (pool180-108.patriot.net [209.249.180.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBDE7txe020195 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:08:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <439E6E41.8010801@floodcity.net> References: <200512121758.jBCHwb42023083@net.indra.com> <439E6E41.8010801@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:07:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kitty, First I would recommend the 18th century woman list which is a Yahoo Group - 18cWoman. There is a concentration of people who just do that century, so lots of knowledge and information. Approximately what year of "colonial" does your friend want? Stomachers went out of fashion around the time of the American Revolution, but were very much in use in the early part of the century. What class is the outfit, and any particular ethnic group? Is it to wear to a dance, as a volunteer for a historic site? A theatrical performance? Every-day or formal? help keep the shape. I'm not familiar enough with the patterns available to be able to talk about them (I tend to draft or drape my own from books such as Patterns of Fashion). Stays (18thC corset) really will help, especially if she is heavy. Otherwise she can make the stomacher stiff (with boning and interfacing, which they did in the 18thC), and use a substantial lining in the bodice of the gown to Style-wise, the gown and petticoat (underskirt) can be the same color with a different color for the stomacher. That will draw the eye up to the bustline. (But you don't want to be spilling out of the gown!) A different color petticoat is a sort of mix & match style sometimes seen in casual wear. (Back to the question of the purpose of her gown.) The stomacher should not match the petticoat. I'm not sure what you mean by a lace overlay on the stomacher. Some have a criss-cross ribbon pattern to look like the gown is laced overtop, and another style is a series of bows, as if the gown is tied over the stomacher. Lace is sometimes used to give the appearance that the item is embroidered. Some original stomachers are 3-D, with chenille embroidery, ribbon work, etc. They can also be plain fabric or a brocade, without extra embellishment. (Again back to the purpose/class of the gown!) If you look around the web for ideas, be sure you know what is original to the 18th century (portraits & clothing) versus people in repro clothing. Everyone makes their own changes and compromises, and it helps to know what you're looking at. -Carol >She wants to do a stomacher to minimize the width, and wonders how >her skirt should look. I can't find any pattern sites with a >stomacher for colonial patterns, and my best guess for her is to >make an over skirt to draw the lace overlay from the stomacher to >the skirt and keep the eye moving and not fixated on the width. > >Any other ideas? I'd like to be able to email her some photos or >sites to help her visualize the ideas if anyone has anything to help >her. > >Oh. she is basically doing an impression, not perfect accuracy. >She's never tried a corset and I'm not sure if I should offer to let >her try mine. LOL I think mine might be too long anyway. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDEh3oW000980 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:43:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDCrGAf028721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDCrEXs019532; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDCrA6q019483 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05359 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:20:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:20:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another h-cost archive? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have just noticed that h-costume has been archived at mail-archive.com since August: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html The buttons at the bottom get you to the messages. I don't know whether mail-archive found us on its own, or someone set us up there, or how long the messages stay. It is nice to have a way to read on the Web (I occasionally delete a message or three with the morning spam by mistake, or want to read while traveling). Obviously it will not replace the valuable resource that is Eric's archive, at http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ , which goes back forever and a day but is rather harder to search. Of more concern, I see that Eric's site is not responding this morning. I hope this is a temporary glitch. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 10:14:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDFE8mi006246 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDFCHBC045246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDFCCFX006786; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDFC6Fr006663 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e6.77d76260 (4468) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:11:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:20:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > There is evidence of some fairly large women in Colonial America. But of course! There're large women everywhere at every time. And mid 18th century is a period they look particularly good in...IMHO. I'd keep the gown dark and plain...trimmed with self fabric. The open robe...with a stomacher and petticoat showing...is a great silhouette for a large figure...but don't make the contrast too jarring. Either do it all out of the same fabric or choose two colors that are close in hue and saturation...like a burgundy and a dark blue....or a stripe [for the gown] and something the same color as whatever the prominent color the stripe presents [for the petticoat and stomacher]. Use a corset...like maybe the Simplicity [or is it Butterick] pattern. It needn't be made with steel boning [use Rigellene] or tight. Just snug to give the right shape. I doubt whether a large woman would go with hip pads or panniers unless at court or something. A bit of lace and a flower at the neckline of the dark mass of the [taffeta? Changeable taffeta?] dress to draw your eye to her face, and don't forget a white lace and linen cap...maybe some mitts.... She'll look great! It'll have great character! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 10:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDFl9rv010294 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:47:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDFa5F3048603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDFa26W024095; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBDFZx6x023990 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46532 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2005 15:35:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IBuvduFG+LVWintPsJnDEVaUZIhaTs/VOTw5aGJCsO5CdPsaSvBvNHjv5o7yPadQM1JRlwGlRREe7N0KzVhTKSKQF6JYj8djQPOgx9Nv+MZi8aHqUKwYOM2BefgfHMl5Gu7Xi2bcSeiF3OoDQk6GyZDWVLAoyDiqYyx2jziGGWk= ; Message-ID: <20051213153553.46530.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:35:53 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) From: Galadriel of Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512121758.jBCHw1C6022393@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: narnia movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, I LOOOOOOVED the White Witch's costumes! I remember thinking them a bit odd when I first saw them in trailers but after getting a bit used to the idea, I love them! I also read interviews with Tilda Swinton and the costume designer which were very interesting. Remember, Jadis is NOT human. I think encasing her in rigid clothing that exaggerated the form was a good way to indicate this. I must praise Tilda Swinton to the heavens for making this costume work on her! She moved about as if it were nothing, as if it really was what she wore every day! Good on her. I'd be so happy with her if I were the designer. Also, her hair was very cool - like roots in the earth. In fact, I think I remember Ms. Swinton saying something about how it was supposed to look earthy. Loved the melting icicle crown. Loved it! Liked the kids clothes. Agree that it is not what I would have chosen for coronation clothing, but then again, remember that they are CHILDREN so long trains wouldn't make sense for them. Also remember that the movie is made for children and is supposed to be fantasy, so perhaps what would have been more drool-worthy to our eyes wouldn't have been as pretty to little kids. I wanted a better view of the grown-up kids' clothing! Guess I'll just have to go see it again. SHUCKS! ;) --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 13:02:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDI2ZdW022597 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDI1QcS068012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDI1EYZ056440; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBDI13RW056166 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54929 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2005 17:54:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=emr7pXijpLelivC1T8MotKp1rQbK3g6A37taYRDHbcVeGoR8LFrt/izkCvPUuntz6d1ZuyBDtcmJFvAMb8df8PMSMsFLVhiLUbNiRFR6/1utYwXN9ZnxmRos63dXCuQsPigFoAn+WOlKCTmiSV8CZAi3Bv7rKydSe3HNVsr8FAA= ; Message-ID: <20051213175417.54927.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:54:17 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512131410.jBDE8HQ6063222@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:colonial costume questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alot of questions come up on this one. 1. What time?, "colonial" covers alot of ground 2. Where? US, 3. Whats the venue? a historic house? a play. just for fun, just because.... 4. What do you have access to? small pattern companies, only big pattern manufacturers? 18c cent Mia in Charlotteown, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 14:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDJW3dI004085 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDJV2XD080859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDJUuSg041127; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBDJUohP040866 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3935 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 19:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.214.129 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 19:30:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051213192656.01d27a50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:30:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question In-Reply-To: <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:03 13/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi > >I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my >knolledge i know is from studying portraits. >Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has the >same colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was .........well >blonde in colour, and i think it is rarely used for mens shirts. I >have read somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie Antoinettes >favourite lace, but i think it was used for trimmings on dresses.............. > >Bjarne >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:38 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question > > >>This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing >>it to Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style >> >> Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking >> about the silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off >> white color. The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in >> Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s black velvet mens suit and they >> had it displayed with some reproduction blonde frills/ruffles at >> the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a very fine white >> linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I can't find here in North Carolina) "Type of bobbin lace made in the 18th and 19th centuries from raw silk, which was usually a pale straw colour, but later black or white. It was very popular as a dress trimming, especially in the early 19th century, and some embroideries on the dresses of that time are worked i a pale straw coloured silk which resembles blonde." "The Needleworker's Dictionary" by Pamela Clabburn Suzi (I have some black blonde, as well as the straw coloured sort.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 16:24:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDLOQGV018889 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDLNeoX097866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDLNTx5045563; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:23:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDLNLIj045449 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.141.154] (dialup-4.249.141.154.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.141.154]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDLN5rl001034 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:23:06 -0800 Message-ID: <439F3BC7.7010406@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:23:19 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear > clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have > been supplies and skill of some level. I found it odd that the children were able to change clothes in the camp also. I mean, for the coronation sure! but how on earth did they get clothes that fit that soon. I mean, mostly it was talking beasts, merfolk, naiads and dryads - none of which wear human style clothing. Sure, there were dwarfs - but they weren't dressed in dwarfish styles! Problem with pointing out that all the outlying areas were human is that we only know about those in later books, after Lewis has explored them and decided to make them as people. None of them were in Narnia proper, or the prophecy could have been fulfilled long before. True, there were giants, but somehow they got short-shifted a lot. Rumblebuffin was credited but cut out. The queen, as was just pointed out, wasn't human - and was an adult. Actually, the problem with the queen's costume is that it was a concept costume. Apparently the concept didn't come through very well. Her gowns were so much made for her (regarding skill level) as they were formed of her own winter. Imagine glaciers and ice 'clothing' a being who rose out of it like a pillar of marble. I think that was what they were going for in that first outfit with the really odd neckline. Then as her power waned, the icicles that weren't so much a crown as actually growing from her head began to melt, and her whole gown changed - thinned and darkened as her magic changed. I think it was an interesting idea, but from the number of posts on different lists that I've read - it didn't seem to come across. I thought her battle outfit with her hair and that 'vest' looking like a lion mane was an interesting touch to the true supremacy of Narnia! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 21:49:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE2nLJm027462 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE2mhD4035857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE2mcMU085690; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE2mVr2085651 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.109.87.90]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051213192656.01d27a50@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:48:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could you show a picture of it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question > At 14:03 13/12/2005, you wrote: >>Hi >> >>I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my >>knolledge i know is from studying portraits. >>Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has the same >>colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was .........well blonde in >>colour, and i think it is rarely used for mens shirts. I have read >>somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie Antoinettes favourite lace, but i >>think it was used for trimmings on dresses.............. >> >>Bjarne >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" >> >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:38 PM >>Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question >> >> >>>This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing it to >>>Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style >>> >>> Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking about the >>> silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off white color. >>> The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in Charlotte, NC had a late-ish >>> 1700s black velvet mens suit and they had it displayed with some >>> reproduction blonde frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have >>> gone with a very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I >>> can't find here in North Carolina) > > > "Type of bobbin lace made in the 18th and 19th centuries from raw silk, > which was usually a pale straw colour, but later black or white. It was > very popular as a dress trimming, especially in the early 19th century, > and some embroideries on the dresses of that time are worked i a pale > straw coloured silk which resembles blonde." > > "The Needleworker's Dictionary" by Pamela Clabburn > > Suzi > > (I have some black blonde, as well as the straw coloured sort.) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 00:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE54tt1029828 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:04:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE54Nrt049932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE546hY057125; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE540XH057083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:04:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0074.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.74]:4893 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EmOo5-0004r5-3R for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <439FA7B2.80009@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:03:46 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512131408.jBDE8HQ5063222@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512131408.jBDE8HQ5063222@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Colonial costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the replies. carol asked From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume Hi Kitty, "Approximately what year of "colonial" does your friend want? Stomachers went out of fashion around the time of the American Revolution, but were very much in use in the early part of the century." Reply: I don't think she thought much about what year the costume is from, just colonial. Deb was on the 1976 wagon trains and her family continued to raise the horses and maintain a wagon for local events til she got married or later. We have a local antique crafts fair here in our area, a three day event called Mountain Craft Days. Her family has a booth where they make old fashioned apple cider, and every worker has to dress in Period but no one is real fussy about what period. Deb continued making and wearing costumes for this event and dressed her kids and husband for this as well. Her kids enjoy it so much that they would wear their costumes to church now and then and we have another family in the church who also participates, and I and my grand kids are getting into it. her girls all have a colonial styled costume, and she wants one too so they can wear them together. her girls costumes have a psudo stomacher, created with a V of lace on the front of the dress. My friend wants to use this design feature on her dress, to create a bit of distraction on the front of the dress to minimize her width. She has a large bosom, but the dress will in no way expose her, it has a jeweled neckline. She called me the other day to ask me what lines to add to the skirt to be most becoming to her keeping her size in mind. I am the most experieced sewist of our bunch and the oldest. so I somehow became the "expert" of our group. Question, " What class is the outfit, and any particular ethnic group? Is it to wear to a dance, as a volunteer for a historic site? A theatrical performance? Every-day or formal? help keep the shape." Reply, The dress will be to wear to church, should be modest and probably of modest means, since my friend uses cotton for her dresses. We are heavy and get hot easily, and since her family IS of modest means it would be hard to protray a rich woman. LOL We have never encountered any documentation of ethnic groups so she is probably just interested in doing a general dress. whatever pattern she chooses, I grade up and she makes it up for herself, and if she likes it, I try it on and then use the pattern for myself with the alterations I need. Your notes: Style-wise, the gown and petticoat (underskirt) can be the same color with a different color for the stomacher. That will draw the eye up to the bustline. (But you don't want to be spilling out of the gown!) A different color petticoat is a sort of mix & match style sometimes seen in casual wear. (Back to the question of the purpose of her gown.) The stomacher should not match the petticoat. (ME!) I'll tell her, I was thinking it SHOULD be different, so I'm glad I learned this before we made to many mistakes. I'm not sure what you mean by a lace overlay on the stomacher. A layer of lace fabric over the gown fabric to make the stomacher stand out as a design element? I'll bring up the ribbon lacing to her to see if she would rather try that. thanks for the ideas, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 01:11:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE6BQV6031028 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:11:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE6Arag055292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE6Am9h089488; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBE6AiDa089425 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40512 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 06:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.214.129 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 06:10:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051214060619.01d90430@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:08:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question In-Reply-To: <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051213192656.01d27a50@127.0.0.1> <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:48 14/12/2005, you wrote: >Could you show a picture of it? > >>>I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my >>>knolledge i know is from studying portraits. >>>Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has >>>the same colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was >>>.........well blonde in colour, and i think it is rarely used for >>>mens shirts. I have read somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie >>>Antoinettes favourite lace, but i think it was used for trimmings >>>on dresses.............. >>> >>>> Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking >>>> about the silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an >>>> off white color. The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in >>>> Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s black velvet mens suit and >>>> they had it displayed with some reproduction blonde >>>> frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a >>>> very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I >>>> can't find here in North Carolina) >> >> >>"Type of bobbin lace made in the 18th and 19th centuries from raw >>silk, which was usually a pale straw colour, but later black or >>white. It was very popular as a dress trimming, especially in the >>early 19th century, and some embroideries on the dresses of that >>time are worked i a pale straw coloured silk which resembles blonde." >> >>"The Needleworker's Dictionary" by Pamela Clabburn >> >>Suzi >> >>(I have some black blonde, as well as the straw coloured sort.) Sorry, not right now. I am very, very busy, and don't have time to search through the lace box. I am pretty sure it is Victorian though if that helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 03:21:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE8Lnx5018430 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:21:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE8Kt1f064229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE8Knlx048496; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:20:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE8KghQ048439 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2073F338C7 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:20:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:20:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you haven't found these sites; http://lace.lacefairy.com/ID/BlondeID.html http://blondecaen.chez-alice.fr/styles.htm#DENTELLES bands trimmed in blond lace http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/M14797.1-2?Lang=1&acc essnumber=M14797.1-2 http://www.refalo.com/bobbinlace/blonde.html http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9015687 http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.antique-lace.com/Laces&textiles/2403/2403.htm http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/regency/weddinggown.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 15:26:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEKQqEh011039 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEKOkpW079788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); 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Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:55:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:55:52 -0800 From: Gianetta To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: narnia movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBEKQqEh011039 Status: RO > > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:23:19 -0500 > From: Judy Mitchell > Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <439F3BC7.7010406@theoldforest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear > > clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have > > been supplies and skill of some level. > > I found it odd that the children were able to change clothes in the > camp also. I mean, for the coronation sure! but how on earth did they > get clothes that fit that soon. I mean, mostly it was talking beasts, > merfolk, naiads and dryads - none of which wear human style clothing. > Sure, there were dwarfs - but they weren't dressed in dwarfish styles! > > snippage > > -Judy Mitchell > actually, I was disappointed that Mrs. Beaver didn't get her new sewing > machine from Father Christmas in the movie. She gets a new one in the book. > It's been a long time, but I think she'd have the sewing skills to > make/alter clothes for the children. -- Joyce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 17:40:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEMeUvo013438 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEMc8Pr098248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMbavb093371; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMbXV8093236 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005121422361901300ce4fse>; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:36:24 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.173] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:36:18 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List), murmurs@baronyofaquaterra.org (Murmurs Aquaterra) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:36:18 +0000 Message-Id: <121420052236.1151.43A09E6200082BAF0000047F22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Humans in England, 700k years? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I happened upon an AP article that just caught my eye. Hopefully, I'm not sending out old news! But it looks like that they found 32 black flints, in river sediments in Pakefiield in eastern England, that dated back to 700,000 years. I think I need to find and re-read my Mummies of Urmichee (spelling?) book again. This find will make the re-reading much more enthralling (to me anyway)! I know this is *way* early for SCA (for those interested in SCA), but my research pathways have certainly expanded! I can hardly *wait* for the details of this find to be published, even if there's no mention of textiles, this is still useful for development of theories and conjectures. Elena/Gia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 17:52:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEMqcbR013605 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEMpBX4000346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMp52D005209; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMoxbN005112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBEMgYfN022690 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:42:34 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A0A1D0.1040303@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:50:56 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Houppelandes with tie fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was doing some bell-belt online searching today, and found this marvelous image from 1430: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z Note the two ties holding the skirt of the houp closed! I'd never seen that before, although I (and probably others) have theorized that they were open on the center front, but held closed somehow. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEN4N4B013859 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEMxhgj001531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMxdDK012407; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBEMxYkW012346 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5160 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 14:58:25 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5149, pid: 5154, t: 0.8450s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 14:58:24 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051214145844.02331128@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:59:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Humans in England, 700k years? In-Reply-To: <121420052236.1151.43A09E6200082BAF0000047F2200751090080907 0E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> References: <121420052236.1151.43A09E6200082BAF0000047F22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:36 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >I happened upon an AP article that just caught my eye. Hopefully, >I'm not sending out old news! But it looks like that they found 32 >black flints, in river sediments in Pakefiield in eastern England, >that dated back to 700,000 years. > >I think I need to find and re-read my Mummies of Urmichee >(spelling?) book again. This find will make the re-reading much >more enthralling (to me anyway)! I know this is *way* early for SCA >(for those interested in SCA), but my research pathways have >certainly expanded! > >I can hardly *wait* for the details of this find to be published, >even if there's no mention of textiles, this is still useful for >development of theories and conjectures. > >Elena/Gia >_______________________________________________ Here's the link to the BBC story. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4526264.stm Very interesting! Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:13:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENDrN4013971 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENDCaI003102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEND7jp022912; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEND04g022816 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E08D2338FC for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:12:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelandes with tie fastenings Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:13:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A0A1D0.1040303@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What nationality/county is the painting? unusual cuff on the under garment. De -----Original Message----- I was doing some bell-belt online searching today, and found this marvelous image from 1430: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z Note the two ties holding the skirt of the houp closed! I'd never seen that before, although I (and probably others) have theorized that they were open on the center front, but held closed somehow. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:15:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENFvKO014011 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:15:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENFciM003421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENFWgN024709; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBENFE0t024425 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4BKQRAH5GC2A for (sender ); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LB8FH6ET; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:07:39 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:53:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Humans in England, 700k years? Message-ID: <20051214.165338.-116170617.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,14-17,18-32767 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3225029997 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72Edidh9VbsiOp5E/zSt1Zh5FdKzyzYdXg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I actually hadn't heard about this but it's very interesting. At 700,000 years ago, the likely candidate for the maker of the flints is homo heidelbergensis who was an ancestor of homo neanderthalensis. At this point in time general concensus has it that our ancestors (homo rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about 4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China is so remarkable. Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENXYMN014242 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:33:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENWfEn005588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENWcqf038817; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENWW3Q038705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBENO7fN023215 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:07 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A0AB8D.80802@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:32:29 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelandes with tie fastenings References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > What nationality/county is the painting? > unusual cuff on the under garment. Dutch, I belive. There's more text at the website -- higher up the "tree" as it were. Websearches on her name turn up a lot, too. The draped undersleeve like that is seen in several other paintings of this time, most notably the Tres Riches Heures. > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENmI3L014446 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:48:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENlqXQ007612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENlmvC051064; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENlieC050981 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A2E94338D1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:47:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:47:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A0AB8D.80802@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So could the undergarment be exposed, used like a outer gown and the houppelande used like a coat? De -----Original Message----- Dutch, I belive. There's more text at the website -- higher up the "tree" as it were. Websearches on her name turn up a lot, too. The draped undersleeve like that is seen in several other paintings of this time, most notably the Tres Riches Heures. > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 19:02:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF02nXv014717 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:02:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF02LDZ010110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:02:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF02K18062418; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF02AGC062305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBENrifN023523 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:53:44 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A0B27F.6030507@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:02:07 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > So could the undergarment be exposed, used like a outer gown and the > houppelande used like a coat? I'm quite sure that most of the time a houppelande was like a coat, or maybe a sweater (jumper to you in the UK.) There was at least one outer gown under there, of several different potential types (one being the Van Der Weyden kirtle a la Mary Magdalen.) I don't know if the sleeve drape was like a lower circle sewn on, like you see on some young women's sleeves today, or if it was another sleeve like the angle-wing ones. This particular picture seems like it must be more like the circle-on-the-sleeve sort, but the TRH ones look a bit more like another big houp sleeve. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 21:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF2CvPk017214 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:12:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF2CMc6026572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF2CFUf046283; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF2CBEO046163 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.dd.34049f1d (4238) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:11:50 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas nighties X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear list, I shared with you all my frustrations on measuring elastic for children who were far away a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't able to incorporate any of your suggestions this time, but did find ready-made garments to measure for a guide. I believe I mentioned that one reason to send the garments completely finished, rather than having their mom try to finish the casings, is that they would want to put the garments on immediately. Well, that is what happened. Because the family will be traveling for two weeks at Christmas, they opened their gifts Monday night, and we watched via web cam. The did indeed immediately put on their nightgowns. (Also gratifying was that the older one instantly recognized that they were the same fabric I had used to make them pillows for their birthdays.) Ah, modern technology! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 00:09:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF59ClG019744 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:09:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF58dq2043757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF58Zhg047697; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF58UUp047622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.209] (pool180-209.patriot.net [209.249.180.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBF5809J009824 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:08:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <439FA7B2.80009@floodcity.net> References: <200512131408.jBDE8HQ5063222@net.indra.com> <439FA7B2.80009@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:05:34 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] Re:Colonial costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kitty, Ok, I think I see what you mean - two strips of lace form a "V" that suggests a stomacher. Which is not at all how gowns of the era were made. Also they typically had low necklines, not a jewel neck. A riding habit would have a high neck, but not a gown. To fill in the neckline (for style or protection from the sun) she can wear a handkerchief. That will also conceal the fact that the dress has a jewel neckline. Some 20th/21st century women like that the handkerchief offers modesty, but in the 18thC a nice bustline is fashionable and not immodest. I like Albert Cat's idea of a solid dark blue or green. Don't bother with lace on the front at all. Get a somewhat sheer cotton for engenentes (ruffles at the cuffs) and an apron, and you can make the handkerchief out of it, too. >her girls all have a colonial styled costume, and she wants one too >so they can wear them together. her girls costumes have a psudo >stomacher, created with a V of lace on the front of the dress. My >friend wants to use this design feature on her dress, to create a >bit of distraction on the front of the dress to minimize her width. >She has a large bosom, but the dress will in no way expose her, it >has a jeweled neckline. She called me the other day to ask me what >lines to add to the skirt to be most becoming to her keeping her >size in mind. I am the most experieced sewist of our bunch and the >oldest. so I somehow became the "expert" of our group. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 02:55:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF7tbcM000723 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:55:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF7t7iF058159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF7svqa033525; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF7spmT033462 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jBF7r7Z8022075 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:53:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the middle of the top... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 03:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF85vld003428 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF85J3s059303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF85Hgl039683; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF85DTI039632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBF7umfN028021 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:56:48 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:56:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:05:11 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Does anyone have a record > of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I > had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new > clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil > right in the middle of the top... Hair shampoo works fairly well as a first-pass; rub it in, wait a few minutes, throw in the washer. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 03:15:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF8FAUw005625 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:15:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF8EU84060171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF8EPNW044624; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF8EJWX044514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 16615 invoked by uid 507); 15 Dec 2005 19:14:18 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 19:14:18 +1100 Message-ID: <005801c6014f$8ae1b610$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon><4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:14:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did the same thing to my new expensive dressing gown last week. I just threw it in the heavy duty laundry soaker and fairly hot water, and it came out quickly and easily. Must be the week for it - I just dropped some tartare sauce on my top (eating prawns - the wonders of Christmas in Summer!), so I'll get that in the soak now. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric > Greetings, > > I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed > archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record of > these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I had an > encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, > naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the > middle of the top... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 06:49:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFBnO7p020026 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFBmie6096879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFBmbNu048910; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFBmYwM048850 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:48:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:48:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:48:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 11:48:29.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[77479200:01C6016D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My mother in law swears by cheap kid's bubblebath...kinda like the father in "my Big Fat Greek Wedding" and his 'Windex', the bubblebath will remove almost any stain. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Cynthia Virtue >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:05:11 -0500 > >Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >>Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they can >>email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding bottle of >>salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a >>large blob of olive oil right in the middle of the top... > >Hair shampoo works fairly well as a first-pass; rub it in, wait a few >minutes, throw in the washer. > >-- >Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 07:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFC2t4s023158 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 795 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/15/05 11:53:16 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I was disappointed that Mrs. Beaver didn't get her new sewing > >machine from Father Christmas in the movie. now that's just not fair - poor mrs beaver. a couple of weeks the telegraph newspaper (UK) were giving away a free cd of the story, and even though it's seriously abridged, she still got her new machine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 10:48:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFFmEkC028618 for ; 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format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 15:47:18.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[D41249F0:01C6018E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Karen R Bergquist >...rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about >4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian >rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China >is so remarkable. Except that it really shouldn't be.- it's not like they were found in the Yangtze basin. They're from an area where "Caucasians" were known to be historically; and a much shorter walk from the assumed areas where the "Indo-European" ancestors are supposed to be from than any of the other areas where we know they went to the west and south. Some going east makes perfect sense. We just tend to assume that if something happened in a particular geographical region, everyone in that region must be alike. It's similar to the current argueent that since Egypt is in Africa, Cleopatra must have been black, and ignoring the whole reality of regional ethnic types (and more so of their placement 2000 years ago). Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGUlBn029304 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGSCfE033739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGS9Zi033832; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGS3dp033648 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4DGNMAERWHDJ for (sender ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCAAY5TV; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:26:56 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:26:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:26:38 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051215.082656.12706.123302@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 3ae0607460e5bdf0e5bd7571bd75a57dd5c55569cd65c5518425cd055111906451800185e035e029157559bde071 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72Edidh9Vbsij7kLz/I/eYBjw97crq05yw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.165|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBFGUlBn029304 Status: RO Well, since the ethnic Chinese who discovered them and the locals in the area thought it was weird that the mummies were Caucasian, that's good enough for me. While the Silk and Spice Roads were known to be in operation 1000 to 2000 years ago, finding these people in that area put the whole timeline of the area back several thousand years. I have the book and it makes it quite clear that the AGE of the finds was what they found remarkable- more recent Caucasian remains wouldn't have been as odd. Also, these folks appear to be from a Celtic/Proto-Celtic (in the broadest sense of Celtic, I'm not talking about Irish!) people judging from their fabric. The fabric was found with a clear twill weave, something that the Chinese didn't use. Of course in retrospect it's clear that some people went east instead of west in the migrations that brought the Celtic people all over the Eurasian continent, it's just that these finds were the first evidence that a Celtic people moved that far east and settled there. Karen Seamstrix -- "Marc Carlson" wrote: >From: Karen R Bergquist >...rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about >4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian >rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China >is so remarkable. Except that it really shouldn't be.- it's not like they were found in the Yangtze basin. They're from an area where "Caucasians" were known to be historically; and a much shorter walk from the assumed areas where the "Indo-European" ancestors are supposed to be from than any of the other areas where we know they went to the west and south. Some going east makes perfect sense. We just tend to assume that if something happened in a particular geographical region, everyone in that region must be alike. It's similar to the current argueent that since Egypt is in Africa, Cleopatra must have been black, and ignoring the whole reality of regional ethnic types (and more so of their placement 2000 years ago). Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGZfoL029390 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGX3BD034363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGX2TT038148; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGWtei037947 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:33:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70163 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 16:32:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s9PfjPDn18HYZu4kvivXFGI8IJaUDosZuf3DIcLKtdew2/kfka+I6L29L/TfOh/o0yMGKPjDoL7Q6VhY6dKIWudKYZyHqJW+DuGyqwO5aZovPfqJs++P6NXaMxVAlRHgnOpeNPAg6gwqHci0VmdH4+y1k4T+ZeZLJnDO0odYvLQ= ; Message-ID: <20051215163249.70158.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:49 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512151150.jBFBnNAs049350@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:colonial costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, do try to get her to upgrade to a more authentic dress, instead of a costume. Bottom line, it looks better. you don't have to go the whole hog authentic route, many "adjustments" can be made to make it easier/faster/more accessible 1. wear correct underpinnings. That corset stays pattern that is still available in butterick (.99 cent on sale if your lucky) can be made pretty quickly. and it is a good shape. and it goes up to patterns size 22 (This one is on my ironing board to start making soon. at least I got it cut out!) It does not have many bones and could actually be made without any. AND IT"S WAY WAY more comfortable than ANY 20/21st century bra. WAY WAY MORE COMFORTABLE ( Yes I am shouting. I have HUM very large bosoms. I'd rather wear stays any day. You can't pick up things from the floor, but... it's way better than any bra) 2. Use the petticoat and dress variation. It makes a large behind and hippal area look OK, just like you have several petticoats on. The bodice attached to the waist makes things fit a bit funny 3. Linen is way better for hot than cotton. It can be hard to find linen sometimes. The combination of reasons 1 and 2 will give you a smooth line . The lace V over a modern underwear combination is kind of bloppy to me. One of the American 18 cent high flyers, (Barbara Delory I think, I will try to find that web site and cite it properly), did a side by side comparison of a women fully dressed out in 18 cent real stuff next to a woman in 18th cent costume (the bra look) Now I'm prejudiced, and an authenticity pusher, but Plus which she will be the center of good attention 18th cent Mia in Charlottetown, NC, Who wnats to replicate a painting for her next outfit. ONe of the figures George stubbs the haymakers ca. 1790 or so. Big Black bonnett, blue linen gown and petticaot. white apron) working class..... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGrUgR029689 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGpvZQ036959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGpqxL056021; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGpm30055880 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4DH2FAZ29LGA for (sender ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCACDLPZ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:51:13 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:51:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:51:08 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) 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Here's one of the pertinent passages. "According to Chinese historical documents, the Han Chinese themselves began to move into Central Asia only around 120B.C., struggling to open up regular trade with the West. So historians would not particularly expect Chinese mummies in Central Asia in the second millenium B.C. But why not Mongoloid? Archeologists and linguists alike had assumed that the Mongol-type peoples had 'always' inhabited this entire area, ever since the spread of Homo sapiens sapiens around the globe at the end of the Ice Age forty thousand years ago. They also assumed central and northern Asia to be the general homeland of the Altaic linguistic group, which today includes Mongol and the various Turkic and Tungusic languages. (Northern Central Asia was of course the heartland from which emanated the great invasions of Turks and Mongols during our own millneium.) To find Caucasians was a surprise." Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:57:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGvZSb029772 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGvH7G037652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGvEVe060545; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGvBbI060425 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80455 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 16:57:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kUIGs/d5ghaHPaIjvt/VNcX0d7RKEwXb/VFuqBh5MVExmL/q+RIXQSrY458JWFSPdzkVPsQKTwRnEj+7SDhRa/MSz1Zh0L17X/FpH4JLwZSZ0QjM8MNIYp6dutKdiIn2E6QvU3VfwYgc70uBi8hbMBxes+lYW65r7dSJ7jlBh08= ; Message-ID: <20051215165706.80453.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:57:06 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512151150.jBFBnNAs049350@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 795 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/18cnel/delorey5.htm This si old, so of course the picture is dead or something Mia in Charlotte, NC, now done trying to convert costume to clothes. as in "Wait, this isn't a costume, these are my clothes!" --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHJW69030153 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHJDBb040780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHJ8dq080673; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHIxF6080523 for ; 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Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:25:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:25:14 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CFB3A55042F0-11A8-B1AB@FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.237) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:25:14 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. ;-) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:19:14 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] historical action figures I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHdaR0030630 for ; 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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051215.085113.12706.123531@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mongoloid, I believe is a physical description not an ethnic description. Perhaps you are looking for "Mongolian"? Sorry I stand corrected: "A genetically and physiologically identifiable race of the human species. Includes people of north and east Asia, Malaysians, and American Indians. Orientals are part of this race." De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHjgxt030738 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:45:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHj440043919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHixml003826; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFHioUA003669 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52316 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.113.162 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215174404.01d95410@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:44:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures In-Reply-To: <8C7CFB3A55042F0-11A8-B1AB@FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com> References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> <8C7CFB3A55042F0-11A8-B1AB@FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:25 15/12/2005, you wrote: >I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: > >This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head >Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. I'm very taken with the lederhosen! http://www.mcphee.com/items/11138.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHwkw6030984 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:58:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHw20O045648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHw00L015464; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHvtnp015378 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C165F36086 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:54 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is the fiber content? If not silk, usually a pre-treatment of the spot or the whole blouse, in Shout, Dreft, oxi-clean, goop, Era, Woolite...etc. Wash in warm. Sometimes a second wash is needed (but rarely). De Who worked at a McDonalds for six years and had to deal with oil and grease on uniforms. -----Original Message----- Greetings, I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the middle of the top... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:59:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHxXFL031008 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHrlVc044993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHrdbB011465; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFHrTKs011162 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4DMLZAZHQLBJ for (sender ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCAFVED9; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:52:17 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:29:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) Message-ID: <20051215.112918.-581145.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-32 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 11:5:3886351656 X-MAIL-INFO: 0058993599cd75b9cd759d7c759d6c6d78452d28218d454908a921a549d9f90149e1b80c58885881059d8575587c X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72Edidh9VbsitPGph75RSSF6riBk6o6qjQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I actually did shy away from using that term, but it's a quote from the book. And I believe one of the reasons that what used to be called 'Mongolism' is now known as Down's Syndrome is to get away from unflattering ethnic comparisons. Besides, I have it on good authority that children with DS in the orient are thought to look more Caucasian....... Karen Seamstrix On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:55 -0600 "otsisto" writes: > Mongoloid, I believe is a physical description not an ethnic > description. > Perhaps you are looking for "Mongolian"? > > Sorry I stand corrected: > "A genetically and physiologically identifiable race of the human > species. > Includes people of north and east Asia, Malaysians, and American > Indians. > Orientals are part of this race." > De > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:13:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIDwUh031264 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:13:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIDDxx047629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFID8ON029217; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFICt9x028914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Emxap-0003D5-BJ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:39 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:39 -0600 Message-ID: <20051215121239.blbx4bes6lss08sw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:39 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >> Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they >> can email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding >> bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I >> need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the middle of >> the top... > I always had good luck with a commercial degreaser (Fuller-Brush makes one as does Shacklee) -- and the Shacklee Basic H. (my folks used to sell Shacklee at one time -- that's my only connection). Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:15:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIFJQc031299 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:15:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIEtC8047958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIEsSe031132; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIEnYi031055 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Emxcu-00044F-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <7472595.1134670488467.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:14:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In fact, the lederhosen is THE gift for my brother-in-law, who's usually quite difficult to shop for! Thanks for this site--I've dropped a few bucks but it was a lot of fun. I do wish Wilde had been more accessorized, but I'm not sure what I would have added. Perhaps a lace handkerchief. I direct a staged-readings series and wish I had had the Poe action figure to sit by our mailing-list sign-up when we did Jeffrey Hatcher's MURDER BY POE this past October! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke Sent: Dec 15, 2005 12:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures At 17:25 15/12/2005, you wrote: >I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: > >This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head >Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. I'm very taken with the lederhosen! http://www.mcphee.com/items/11138.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:24:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIOli9031499 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFINwOd049031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFINtlW039076; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFINpPE038965 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 21951 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 18:23:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Raypbzn40EwDjtH8Zf6wWGtZzuGku2OZgLjEuRqFXiEN+PxJdW1IaPC/n4rlkv3/xB6wWyaljvKu6METd/V10UTjI/sl2+24cXEVV5gFIUmIlI8esHfF0JwmZLf2RYj2FD0ZyCTJTbdpAP8Q9RoTW5l7O2u3DWaeeY5EzhFi4ys= ; Message-ID: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:23:46 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215174404.01d95410@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a guide. She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or not. any help give is much appreaciated. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:38:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIc4rq031743 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIbTuO050862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIbPxm050926; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIbK8V050818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.9] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.14.0-03) with SMTP id 3e7b1a34.1555241904.153110.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:36:54 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:36:53 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB65@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] historical action figures Thread-Index: AcYBpQGg1M9FAbAqT1Oi2EJBLKjc+QAAS7tg From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 18:36:54.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[85B776F0:01C601A6] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBFIbK8V050818 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. ;-) ~Kimberley ******************** Trust me, m'dear, you aren't the only one. ;) I may have to purchase the Casanova figure, so he can ride on my shoulder to the movie when it opens. It is a little disturbing to note that I am one cat short of the Crazy Cat Lady figure, though. :/ Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:53:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIrPMY032024 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIqioS052530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIqcP6063948; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIqYNB063864 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IRJ00554Z384W30@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:52:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:45 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43A1BE11.1070705@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had reasonable luck using dish washing detergent on such stains. Jeanine Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings, > > I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed > archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record > of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I > had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing > new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive > oil right in the middle of the top... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJ3Lhr032177 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIvZWr053245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIvWbR068145; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m105.mxlogic.net (p03m105.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIvRBI068053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m105.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.14.0-03) with SMTP id 99cb1a34.1429355440.193830.p03m105.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:55:31 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB66@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Woven Fabrics Website Thread-Index: AcYBqSEw5Y1QjepcQKi385mXHBDdgw== From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 18:55:31.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FB404B0:01C601A9] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woven Fabrics Website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBFJ3Lhr032177 Status: RO Hello! I was just perusing the web a bit, and ran across this: http://www.thistlehillweavers.com/ They do reproduction weaving of period fabric, which I thought might be of use to some. Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:03:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJ3dsN032185 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFJ2TF7054272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJ2OGd072699; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJ2JEU072577 for ; 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Received: from [4.155.21.60] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmyPH-0006LD-Cd for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:04:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01dd01c601aa$6a4b84c0$70159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:04:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b31a276cdbc2d5a947b345b6f608138fb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.60 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for that link; it certainly cheered up my day. Although I am not a big fan of unicorns, I could be persuaded to make an exception for the one on this site... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:40:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJe79d000471 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:40:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFJdf4E058896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJddOB004227; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJdZjv004190 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24799.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.153]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0963D2628F0 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:39:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:39:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Alexandria. It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the 1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies. The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question > During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I > think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of > doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the > doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and > didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a > better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a > guide. > > She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my > period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. > > Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in > England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could > be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the > 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or > not. > > any help give is much appreaciated. > > Alexandria > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJeXqt000478 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:40:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFJXbLb058276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJXZN6099372; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJXVHl099321 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24799.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.153]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 95EC7262833 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c601ae$6f1a2700$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, Its hillarious, Marie Antoinette has a removable head........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] historical action figures >I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:43:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKhDXa001720 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKgMCZ066282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKgEm5057066; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKg8CL056913 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.213.f5ee649 (4560) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <213.f5ee649.30d32f10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:41:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/15/2005 2:40:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know. *************************** I like the idea that girls selling bread in the market place would carry it in baskets on each hip, and throw their petticoats over the baskets to keep them protected....thus the name Pannier ["pan" is French for bread] But it is true that dome shaped hoops are seen early, like in the 1730s and at court they become very elongated and wide to display the unbelievably incredible embroidery on court mantuas in the 1740s and 50s. The style gets its best proportions in the 1760s [the style you most often see....like in films like "Dangerous Liaisons"] but starts to wane then so that they are old fashioned....or reserved for evening wear [and court] ...by the late 1770s and 80s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKjqWU001770 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjGkM066561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjGHu059656; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJhtQj007791 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:43:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Panniers question Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:43:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 19:43:50.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF51C360:01C601AF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Often, in the 18thC, dolls were used to portray the latest fashions from abroad. The dolls would then make their way to the hands of children to play with. But they usually started out as 'fashion magazines' for lack of a better term. You can usually rely on them to portray fashions of the period. There may be dress dolls closer to where you live that you can study further, as they were quite common. I'm not sure where you are located, but check your local museums. I know that there are some right here in the Maritime Provinces of Canada. As for dates...pannier are mid century. A good rule of thumb, the wider, the higher the class of dress. For hoops and panier anyway. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Alex Doyle >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) > >During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I >think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of >doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the >doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and >didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a >better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a >guide. > > She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not >my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. > > Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn >in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could >be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the >14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or >not. > > any help give is much appreaciated. > > Alexandria >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKkAuk001782 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjeBq066620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjd7i059991; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFKWnfd049102 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77015 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.113.162 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 20:32:42 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215195851.01d97cb8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:32:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question In-Reply-To: <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne wrote >It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the >1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened >and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew >smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies. >The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. >French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge >panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. >The english version, i dont know. The wide pannier continued at the English court, as Court Dress, until the death of Queen Charlotte (well in to the 19th century) as it was her preference. I believe the Prince Regent hated the fashion, and as soon as his mother was dead, ordered that it should not be worn again. I do not have chapter and verse for his feelings, but I do have fashion plates of Regency style bodices, with panniers starting under the bust!! Suzi >>During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll >>that I think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon >>the style of doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't >>have a date on the doll and of course I was deep in a whole other >>project at the time and didn't ask if there was more >>information. So now that I need to get a better date if possible, >>I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a guide. >> >> She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle >> thing-it's not my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. >> >> Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was >> worn in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a >> museum that could be using toys from the families that have lived >> in this house since the 14th century, but I don't know if this >> doll was a gift to the museum or not. >> >> any help give is much appreaciated. >> >> Alexandria >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKkC2q001786 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjpew066676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjos6060156; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFKhHCZ057866 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 36730 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 20:43:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gl/6qfYMipmEvzwL5S9HWjZrygFSb+UYdnSEeH6U6zEOr1jT9E7N9Wm8gvie+U8EbzS4Ss3QPiyaAvbFyPcVz2C+4m580zcWIG8Wt7s2+tGKoh1XQHsUdoiVxMA777Gcap5Ur3AK01SL9c5WrZlk4sDcR52dMxP0R8pkrDtayQQ= ; Message-ID: <20051215204307.36728.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:07 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this is the flatter and extending to the side style, so about the mid 1700's? I would have loved that this doll was earlier, but it does help establish that the doll styles stayed the same for quite some time, so that's good too. thanks alexandria oh, yes, last week I got this package from Denmark and my roommate wants to open it to see what it is. He especially wants the stamps from the package. :) told him was a christmas present and he couldn't touch it yet. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Dear Alexandria. It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the 1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies. The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question > During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I > think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of > doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the > doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and > didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a > better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a > guide. > > She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my > period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. > > Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in > England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could > be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the > 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or > not. > > any help give is much appreaciated. > > Alexandria > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKkCIs001785 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjsmR066684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjq1D060194; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjkls060088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBFKjY0B031223 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0500 Received: from 67.94.1.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21412.67.94.1.18.1134679538.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Naturally you tell us about this site AFTER we're finished shopping for the H-Cost gift exchange. A friend & I were recently discussing who is sexier, Ben Franklin or Elvis... -Carol > I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 16:03:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFL3oH4002041 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:03:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFL1pXC068668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFL1h18074228; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFL1Z3U074045 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12523 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:01:34 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:01:36 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] historical action figures Thread-Index: AcYBuRoO+jK/uiAcRtW2wKuFkV3SlgAAUukg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBFL1Z3U074045 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I vote for Ben Franklin--fascinating conversationalist probably and intelligence is always sexier. Men at the French Court must have been mystified with Franklin's popularity with females. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of aquazoo@patriot.net Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Naturally you tell us about this site AFTER we're finished shopping for the H-Cost gift exchange. A friend & I were recently discussing who is sexier, Ben Franklin or Elvis... -Carol > I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 16:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFLNc4a002355 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:23:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFLHuBn070675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLHpQn087834; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLHgEL087657 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:17:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512151824.jBFIO0pH039160@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:17:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 21:17:39.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA4C6D70:01C601BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "penhalion@juno.com" >Well, since the ethnic Chinese who discovered them and the locals in the >area thought it >was weird that the mummies were Caucasian, that's good enough for me. Glad to hear it. There are apparently plenty of Chinese records of the Tocharians being blond and red haired and blue eyed until the area was overrun by the Uighar (proto-Turkish) people in the 8th century. Since I can't read Chinese I can'g tell you that in fact the records actually SAY that, but that they are said to. >While the Silk and Spice Roads were known to be in operation 1000 to 2000 >years ago, >finding these people in that area put the whole timeline of the >area back several thousand >years. I have the book and it makes it quite >clear that the AGE of the finds was what they >found remarkable- more >recent Caucasian remains wouldn't have been as odd. Thank you, I have read the book. I have actually kept pretty current on the literature about the mumies from the whole Taklamakan/Tarim Basin area. >...Also, these folks appear to be from a Celtic/Proto-Celtic (in the >broadest sense of Celtic, >I'm not talking about Irish!) people judging >from their fabric. The fabric was found with a >clear twill weave, >something that the Chinese didn't use. Of course in retrospect it's clear > >that some people went east instead of west in the migrations that brought >the Celtic >people all over the Eurasian continent, it's just that these >finds were the first evidence >that a Celtic people moved that far! The Tocharians are "Celtic" in the sense that the Romans, Greeks, and Hittites are "celtic". To say they are "celtic" or even proto-celtic because of their fabrics suggests that no other Indo-European language peoples used those fabrics - and I'm pretty sure that we don't have the archaeological evidence to say that. It's a sexy over-simplication because people think Celts are cool and so by tying these folks to Celts means that they must be interesting to study as well. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 16:36:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFLa1M0002595 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:36:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFLZeiG072659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLZWmA003173; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLZOwh002890 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830D97608 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8FABB2 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:03 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:02 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Thread-Index: AcYBbuRddz+RzADMSOOTxclO9TUIeAATJhmw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 21:35:03.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[689D2BF0:01C601BF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBFLZOwh002890 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I don't know if the sleeve drape was like a lower circle sewn > on, like > you see on some young women's sleeves today, or if it was > another sleeve > like the angle-wing ones. This particular picture seems like > it must be > more like the circle-on-the-sleeve sort, but the TRH ones look a bit > more like another big houp sleeve. FYI, there is a Italian (I think) style (a bit earlier then the time of the Tres Riche Hours) that has what looks like circles attached to/acting as the cuffs of the gothic fitted dress's sleeves. There is a picture in _Parades et Parures_ by Odile Blanc. (it's the front piece. For those of you who read French [not me] the description is: 1. La seduction detournant de l'etude. Alors que le corps feminin reste enclos dans une veture continue et monochrome, la parure masculine rend le corps a une diversite des formes et des couleurs. (I had to drop all the accents - I hope it's still decipherable) Elsewhere in the book it attributes the picture to Boccace, "Des clereset nobles femmes". Page 59, 125, 173, 185 and 217 all show other pictures from the same manuscript (all of which give different views of the bell-cuffs. The last one shows a gothic fitted dress with the cuffs, without the houpelande). Page 193 also gives a picture of a long bell-cuff from a different manuscript, the "Bible historiale", no author given. It is my believe that this is a separate style from the "angle-wing" under sleeves you see in Tres Riche. -sunny Following on the discussion of this link: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z P.S. 2: I can't seem to find a link to an illumination of Boccaccio, "Concerning Famous Women" on line (which is what I'm guessing the translation of "Des clereset nobles femmes" is) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 17:03:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFM364O003069 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFM2RA5076720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFM2Gb2026880; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFM295F026702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1En1AW-0007ve-7I; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0600 Message-ID: <20051215160144.gmii6dlv8zkg8w84@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting sunshine_buchler@agilent.com: > > FYI, there is a Italian (I think) style (a bit earlier then the time > of the Tres Riche Hours) that has what looks like circles attached > to/acting as the cuffs of the gothic fitted dress's sleeves. There is > a picture in _Parades et Parures_ by Odile Blanc. (it's the front > piece. For those of you who read French [not me] the description is: > > 1. La seduction detournant de l'etude. Alors que le corps feminin > reste enclos dans une veture continue et monochrome, la parure > masculine rend le corps a une diversite des formes et des couleurs. > > (I had to drop all the accents - I hope it's still decipherable) > Elsewhere in the book it attributes the picture to Boccace, "Des > clereset nobles femmes". Page 59, 125, 173, 185 and 217 all show > other pictures from the same manuscript (all of which give different > views of the bell-cuffs. The last one shows a gothic fitted dress > with the cuffs, without the houpelande). Page 193 also gives a > picture of a long bell-cuff from a different manuscript, the "Bible > historiale", no author given. *cool* Are any of these images online anywhere? Thanks! Susan > > It is my believe that this is a separate style from the "angle-wing" > under sleeves you see in Tres Riche. > -sunny > > Following on the discussion of this link: > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z > > P.S. 2: I can't seem to find a link to an illumination of Boccaccio, > "Concerning Famous Women" on line (which is what I'm guessing the > translation of "Des clereset nobles femmes" is) > I know that there's *some* Boccaccio on a BNF site, but I don't speak french, so I have *no* clue as to how to go about finding them. *sigh* Jerusha, the linquistically illiterate ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 17:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFMPOfB003531 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFMOqZX080475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFMOmiF046709; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFMOipu046570 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 20639 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 22:24:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K3ZhuaYxgqO+xmypQkXrSFE5YLfAFP9MoV6MsvTZJJJ5UYfm9yOI81oMxZB53adeqPWooGLp5Heni7hsjbi8fLL5Mu3KIdFuLNKLZCPt/oGga64GYE1ZXuu50ngGHR/vazQzZhBj9MZ/v1ol0jmURFmzWwVs1Z/l0cSXbDOstp8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.29?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.29 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 22:24:38 -0000 Message-ID: <43A1ED2B.4070504@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:24:43 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB65@denpexmb01-dex-bup> In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB65@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- McClure, Kate wrote: > I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er > figure: > This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head > Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. For the 13th century geek like me, the Pope Innocent III action figure is da bomb. Someone out there knew which pope was considered to have reigned at the apex of the medieval papacy, rather than just picking one of those trendy popes like Julian II. The best part is the little Latin scroll that comes with him, which is not translated anywhere on the packaging. It reads, in English, "Kiss my a**, son of a Hohenstaufen." Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 17:30:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFMUAAg003607 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:30:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFMTF6Q081002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFMTEd7050365; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFMTAHv050296 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id E9581145AE2; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.66.184.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.66.184]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 482BB1455A6 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023201c601c5$337c7f60$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:15:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been pondering the long, circle-ona-fitted-sleeve type of early 15thC sleeves for a while, and I've noticed... there doesn't seem to be any seam between the circly type part and the rest of the sleeve. In other words, NOT a circle sewn on, but rather a dramatic flare starting at the wrist. Has anyone seen a painting/illumination/etc that seems to indicate a seam there? For example, in the recently posted painting, there seems to be no disconnect in the fabric's pattern... it looks like it was cut all of a piece with the rest of the sleeve. -E House, ponders too much for her own good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 18:48:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFNmGpV004861 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFNljOi090579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFNlfZM013895; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFNlc9i013831 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2327236164 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:47:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:47:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <023201c601c5$337c7f60$9b00a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Following on the discussion of this link: > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z +++ (snip) For example, in the recently posted painting, there seems to be no disconnect in the fabric's pattern... it looks like it was cut all of a piece with the rest of the sleeve. -E House, ponders too much for her own good. ===== E.H., I don't think you can use the above as an example for your theory (which is quite good) because where the seam would be is covered by the houppe's dagging on her right and well the left....hmmmm...can someone make out what is on the gold lining near her hand? Looks like a poor seam stitching. Anyway that attachment to sleeve seam is covered if it was there. The Marie of Hungary dress http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/hungarian_cutting.jpg shows a conical piece attached to the sleeve. This does not mean that the previous picture's "cuffs" are made that way but are more like to have been. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:02:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG02aSv005095 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG026pF092183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG022qw024168; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG01pC1024027 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733708B for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF81AF6 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F0601C@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Thread-Index: AcYBxNCiRFRFyBqHTvieAAAUzrjbOAADOVwQ From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 00:01:41.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4CFAAE0:01C601D3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBG01pC1024027 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > *cool* Are any of these images online anywhere? In my quick (~15 minutes) on-line search I didn't find anything. But I'm not very familiar with the on-line manuscript archives... My search was limited to goggling various terms. Sorry! I would've liked to have given links in my earlier e-mail rather then referring to page numbers in a fairly obscure book (at least obscure to us English speakers :-) ) > I know that there's *some* Boccaccio on a BNF site, but I don't speak > french, so I have *no* clue as to how to go about finding them. > > *sigh* It doesn't help that Boccaccio wrote in Italian, so I was attempting to come up with the English versions based on the translation from Italian into French and then trying to come up with the correct English term based on the French... Game of telephone, anyone? :-) The full attribution in the back of the book for the Boccaccio manuscript was: Paris, Bibliotheque nationale, ms. Fr. 598, Bocacce, Des cleres et nobles femmes, Paris, vers 1403, fol. 6v. The different pictures I referenced have different numbers for the Fr. 598 number, and different folio versions listed, though all have the 1403 date. -sunny P.S. for those of you seriously into the "high middle ages", about half the pictures in _Parades et Parures_ were not ones I recognized. I've felt the book was well worth purchasing despite my inability to actually _read_ it :-). I got mine from amazon.fr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:02:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG02aOa005096 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:02:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG01qc4092156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG01oJm024062; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG01kQu023977 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADC7400 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705E0AFE for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F0601C@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Thread-Index: AcYBxNCiRFRFyBqHTvieAAAUzrjbOAADOVwQ From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 00:01:41.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4CFAAE0:01C601D3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBG01kQu023977 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > *cool* Are any of these images online anywhere? In my quick (~15 minutes) on-line search I didn't find anything. But I'm not very familiar with the on-line manuscript archives... My search was limited to goggling various terms. Sorry! I would've liked to have given links in my earlier e-mail rather then referring to page numbers in a fairly obscure book (at least obscure to us English speakers :-) ) > I know that there's *some* Boccaccio on a BNF site, but I don't speak > french, so I have *no* clue as to how to go about finding them. > > *sigh* It doesn't help that Boccaccio wrote in Italian, so I was attempting to come up with the English versions based on the translation from Italian into French and then trying to come up with the correct English term based on the French... Game of telephone, anyone? :-) The full attribution in the back of the book for the Boccaccio manuscript was: Paris, Bibliotheque nationale, ms. Fr. 598, Bocacce, Des cleres et nobles femmes, Paris, vers 1403, fol. 6v. The different pictures I referenced have different numbers for the Fr. 598 number, and different folio versions listed, though all have the 1403 date. -sunny P.S. for those of you seriously into the "high middle ages", about half the pictures in _Parades et Parures_ were not ones I recognized. I've felt the book was well worth purchasing despite my inability to actually _read_ it :-). I got mine from amazon.fr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG0ocZo006011 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:50:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG0o0sZ098828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0nu8T055472; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0nqDa055432 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 85EC11BD3BB; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:49:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.120]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B4FF01BD45E for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:39:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:39:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bells on garments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The whole houppelande discussion got me in the mood for something: I think I wanna wear a bunch of bells on a gown. At the hem, or maybe tiny bells all over, like spangles. Funfunfun. Cold medicine. I'm thinking late 14thC/early 15thC would be the right era for it, but I've never really looked into anything involving bells before. Anyone know of a style (other than houppes, which I just plain don't feel like making) that would work well with this? Any literary mentions of it? Illuminations/paintings? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG0qIPd006070 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG0pnmK099214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0pmgY056836; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from atlas.concentric.com (atlas.concentric.com [207.155.252.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0piUK056793 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by atlas.concentric.com id TAA06277; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:51:44 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200512160051.TAA06277@atlas.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:51:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200512151900.jBFJ0NN1070697@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBG0piUK056793 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] getting out oil stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I worked with a lady who worked for a LARGE uniform/professional linens company. Their first line of defense was hair spray - the cheap kind. It's been great on pen ink. I have oil stains on silk...i'll be trying my Aqua Net Julie > I have had reasonable luck using dish washing detergent on such stains. > > Jeanine > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 20:03:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG13flT006411 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:03:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG13JFt000851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG13GI5063709; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG13BdN063659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBG0sjfN006177 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:54:45 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:54:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:03:09 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > The whole houppelande discussion got me in the mood for something: I > think I wanna wear a bunch of bells on a gown. At the hem, or maybe > tiny bells all over, like spangles. Funfunfun. Cold medicine. I'm > thinking late 14thC/early 15thC would be the right era for it, but I've > never really looked into anything involving bells before. Anyone know > of a style (other than houppes, which I just plain don't feel like > making) that would work well with this? Any literary mentions of it? > Illuminations/paintings? In some 30 minutes or so my updated bells-with-garb page will be live. Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html (If it doesn't have a picture of the Chaucer Squire at the top, it's the old version.) However, it doesn't directly address bells ON clothes, just bells WITH clothes. I don't think I've seen anything that looked like bells (or even bezants) on a hem. There were definitely instances of bezants all over one sleeve, and there's no reason you couldn't decide that they might have sometimes been bells. And sometimes they show up on the points of hoods, but not on the skirts, I think. As for houps vs. other, they do seem to be all houps, although some are the men's "aren't my cheeks cute" type of houp. The Museum of London Dress Accessories book has a number of citations, and you could check Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince for earlier. (Although I think I have looked there and found no bells.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 21:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG2Zg3C008995 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG2Yt2T010467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2YqdQ016952; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2Ylpi016898 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBG2R2e23542 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:27:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00a901c601ea$3aa05940$6cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:41:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe you could do a "masque" costume? (You know, you're in the 16th or 17th century, and the local high muckety-muck is having a fancy event, and people are encouraged to come in a costume--it'd be what someone *then* would think someone from the 14th/15th century would wear). Find some historical character, or biblical, or a saint associated with bells or something, and work from there? Or maybe, something based on the pre-Raphaelites? "Lady of Shalot" with little, tinkling bells on your sleeves, or "Queen Mab," or something the littlest bit...fey...or romantic? ;o) --Sue, just tossing out ideas.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] bells on garments > The whole houppelande discussion got me in the mood for something: I think I > wanna wear a bunch of bells on a gown. At the hem, or maybe tiny bells all > over, like spangles. Funfunfun. Cold medicine. I'm thinking late > 14thC/early 15thC would be the right era for it, but I've never really > looked into anything involving bells before. Anyone know of a style (other > than houppes, which I just plain don't feel like making) that would work > well with this? Any literary mentions of it? Illuminations/paintings? > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 21:40:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG2evHf009260 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG2eZJi010967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2eYlG020240; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2eWcB020213 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id BF70217A8B9; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.120]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D7017B1B2 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:32:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =} If the seam were far enough up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would be changed. Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the bias, a circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape as one that flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong. It'll take an extant garment or a clear image of the flared sleeve with a seam to convince me. Speaking of extant garments, I'm afraid the Mary of Hungary dress isn't enough, either! It's almost a century older than this painting and much more than a century older than some of the earlier renditions of this sleeve. And above all, it just plain looks nothing like the style of sleeve in question. There are mid-15thC paintings that show sleeves similar to the M of H sleeve, all stiff and structured. Why would they consistently portray the same type of sleeve two very very different ways? (That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look like stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining portion, near the edge. It looks more like some characteristic of the fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning. The black spots on the edging of her right arm sleeve make it look to me like they are ermine lined, but given the aging it's hard to be sure. Either way, it's at the wrong place/angle to be stitching between circle and tube; it's at about a 45 degree angle to the edge of the sleeve's hem, which just wouldn't make sense. Of course, it doesn't make much sense for ermine, either, but anyway...) Sorry. I'm difficult, I know! =} Especially when I'm trying real hard to not come down with a cold... -E 'Zicam' House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 21:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG2tvZx009494 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:55:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG2rsTn012237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2rqx5028113; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2rc2v027972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.86] (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBG2rWw6014447 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215195851.01d97cb8@127.0.0.1> References: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215195851.01d97cb8@127.0.0.1> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is an odd dress from the 1920s, I think in the Met - it has panniers and a train. It was worn at court, so I guess the order against panniers did not last forever! -Carol Suzi said, >The wide pannier continued at the English court, as Court Dress, >until the death of Queen Charlotte (well in to the 19th century) as >it was her preference. I believe the Prince Regent hated the >fashion, and as soon as his mother was dead, ordered that it should >not be worn again. I do not have chapter and verse for his feelings, >but I do have fashion plates of Regency style bodices, with panniers >starting under the bust!! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 22:12:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG3CNWB009863 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:12:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG3Bu97014018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3BtZO038281; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3Bp2D038245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:11:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.5]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1En60a-0000qF-35; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:11:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: sca-middle@midrealm.org, sca-bead@yahoogroups.com, spot@midrealm.org, BaronyFenix@yahoogroups.com, App list list , h-costume@indra.com From: jen funk segrest Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:11:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For the costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. I know I do! griz ========================================= verybigdesign.com | verybigblog.com | pixeldecor.com | ohikea.com domeorama.com | medievalbeads.com | macmentor.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 22:35:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG3Z8qG010882 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:35:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG3YewF016659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3YcPG050781; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3YZ71050754 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LdCWA1ckV3hYl6B+F9dBAr64VVDvKX7AFCdVvTWtsIs9r4vmrdvsQDPnL+1fcVjQ; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.33] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1En6Mb-0003AU-VB for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: <042701c601f1$a053cb30$70159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] For the costumers Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b93e31c017cada73b37d0d30f9ead03c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.33 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO griz wrote: > St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. > I know I do! That's two for today. Thanks, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 23:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG4Fi4j011898 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG4FHpQ020927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4FCNE072565; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4F965072522 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97BA636074 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh how tacky. The things people create to sell. -----Original Message----- St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. I know I do! griz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 23:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG4Fi4K011897 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG4FHV6020928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4FCk8072566; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4F9tE072518 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 117203606A for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bells on garments Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For some reason my system doesn't access the pictures as only three pictures show up and the rest are frames with a little box and red X in the upper left hand corner. De -----Original Message----- In some 30 minutes or so my updated bells-with-garb page will be live. Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html (If it doesn't have a picture of the Chaucer Squire at the top, it's the old version.) Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 23:54:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG4saEt012669 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG4rxoP024799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4rupw092797; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4rlAj092693 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3C2136089 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:53:47 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Houppelande cuff was:with tie fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =} If the seam were far enough up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would be changed. Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the bias, a circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape as one that flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong. *disagree. I have seen medium weight linen, lined circular cuffs hang this way. But my argument was of the strong possibility of an attached cuff with the Maria of Hungary dress as an example that such a thing was done. I am more inclined to believe because of the economical way they usually cut fabric, that it was a conical shaped cuff then the circular. Your theory of no seam at wrist is more feasible then the circular attached cuff but not necessarily the conical attached cuff. <<(That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look like stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining portion, near the edge. It looks more like some characteristic of the fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning. The black spots on the edging of her right arm sleeve make it look to me like they are ermine lined, but given the aging it's hard to be sure. Either way, it's at the wrong place/angle to be stitching between circle and tube; it's at about a 45 degree angle to the edge of the sleeve's hem, which just wouldn't make sense. Of course, it doesn't make much sense for ermine, either, but anyway...) -E 'Zicam' House Sorry I wasn't clear. I am not saying that the "stitches are the cuff to sleeve" seam but asking if it was a seam. Both "stitch" areas correlate to where seams would be on a straight sleeve. If these are seams, then it seems to strengthen to some point your argument for no wrist seam. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 04:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG9Gowb012208 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG9FxlH046583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9Fr8K023863; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9FnO1023822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBG97MfN010526 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:07:22 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:07:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A285C3.2010703@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:47 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > For some reason my system doesn't access the pictures as only three pictures > show up and the rest are frames with a little box and red X in the upper > left hand corner. Argh. It's not your system, it's my ($#@%!) editing program. Sorry. It will be fixed in a few hours. (For those who care, it often messes up the "image relative to page location" vs. "absolute" location pointer.) cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 04:36:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG9aBOK013831 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:36:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG9Zimr048441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9Zgn5032926; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9ZTsJ032829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBG9R3fN010725 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:27:03 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:27:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A28A60.9040008@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:35:28 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =} If the seam were far > enough up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would > be changed. Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the > bias, a circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape > as one that flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong. I'm sorry, I'm not sure which idea you're not buying? However, if it were flared on the whole length, it wouldn't be bunched up around her right hand like that -- it would trail back inside the red sleeve. Those folds are so even, I don't think a flare at the end would produce them, only a circle sewn on. What sort of flare are you thinking of? One which drops down from the arm, or one which also goes upward? Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg > It'll > take an extant garment or a clear image of the flared sleeve with a seam > to convince me. Sigh of general agreement! > (That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look > like stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining > portion, near the edge. It looks more like some characteristic of the > fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning. Agreed. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 05:50:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGAoqTC001089 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGAnEbB054074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGAnBnh068948; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGAn7CF068922 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:49:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:49:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.195.81.105] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512160416.jBG4G1Sl073040@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:49:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 10:49:07.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[56A06060:01C6022E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: keyword spamming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO With regards to the conversation a couple of weeks ago on keyword spamming on eBay, I wonder how this monstrosity, which looks NOTHING like anything even vaguely Austen-related, slipped through the net: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362341194 Perhaps the solution is to spell Jane Austen wrong?! (By the way, hello, I've been lurking for ages but couldn't post because my e-mail turns everything into HTML - think I've finally worked it out though). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 06:11:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGBBaYu003193 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGBBIrt055440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBBG98079466; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBBBDO079402 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e9.492340a5 (16781) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.492340a5.30d3fac7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:11:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] For the costumers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/15/2005 10:35:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: griz wrote: > St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. > I know I do! All I can say is, "Ewwwwwwww." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 06:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGBFihS003888 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGBFDI5055604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBFDn7081412; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBF7IK081320 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2bb.28321fe (16781) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:14:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2bb.28321fe.30d3fbac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:14:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: keyword spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:50:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrscakehole@hotmail.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362341194 Very, very vaguely late Victorian, maybe, but Jane Austen? Hey, maybe it was worn by somebody named Jane in Austin, Texas! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 08:06:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGD65cL019821 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGD3Ko9072585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGD3Eh9037785; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGD38Re037730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBGCsffN013979 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:54:41 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:54:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A2BB0A.8050604@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:06 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments (fixed) References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's fixed for the second, and hopefully final, time. Sorry about that, folks! > Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 09:05:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGE58Sf020998 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:05:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGE4Z6V085744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGE4URb072836; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGE4QBQ072778 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EnGC9-0001xB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20881752.1134741864949.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:04:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is an Unemployed Philosophers Guild product. They have a Beanie-Baby-style van Gogh doll with a detachable ear, a Global Warming mug that shows the predicted new coastlines when you fill it with hot coffee, a Scream pillow that does scream (and a Mona Lisa pillow that giggles), and Freudian Slippers with a sock-toe tongue protruding from Freud's mouth. Among many other punny, arch products. Character cards with stick-on appropriate quotations--including Jane Austen, fyi! They also have two different sets of Axis of Evil finger-puppets--choose according to your political inclinations.... They're constantly adding to their line, and revising it too, at least if you consider that the Shakespeare "Brainy Baby" is now on his fourth costume design. I've given my artist friend Frieda Kahlo as well as van Gogh. I've got Shakespeare (2 different outfits); a friend gave me the Great Writers finger-puppet set. I've given my niece Jane Austen and my sister, a biologist, Charles Darwin. I'm hoping somebody will give me Eleanor Roosevelt and Che this Christmas! If you like their sense of humor (and I confess I LOVE it with all my overeducated heart!), you can spend a lot of money with them. I haven't tumbled for the St. Sebastian pincushion yet, but it does look JUST like the painting, and I've found the painting perversely charming, with his faint little grin (ecstasy, I presume) and all, for years. As a Protestant/agnostic and lit major I take great pleasure in the various saints and feel free to find them bizarre. A friend of mine suggested that we start a pub on the Canadian border and call it the "St. Lawrence Bar and Grill." Talk about Eeeeeeuuuuuw! Anyway, I assure all that I have no connection with the Unemployed Philosophers Guild except as a chronic customer. They have a website, in case you want to revel in their wierdness--or spend some money to make your overeducated friends laugh. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: otsisto >Sent: Dec 15, 2005 11:15 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers > >Oh how tacky. The things people create to sell. > >-----Original Message----- >page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195> > >St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. >I know I do! > >griz > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 10:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGFFLjf022454 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFE2Ow091821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFDrDw017700; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFDlwe017628 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:13:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.52.250 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:13:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.52.250] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A28A60.9040008@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:13:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:13:49 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 15:13:46.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FB9B6F0:01C60253] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBGFFLjf022454 Status: RO Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg Great image - where and when is it from? Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 10:30:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGFU1wh022826 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:30:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFT99a094474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFT7eu029917; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBGFC6m9016323 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 88727 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 15:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.143.2.12 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 15:12:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051216150941.01d908f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:12:00 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments (fixed) In-Reply-To: <43A2BB0A.8050604@thibault.org> References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> <43A2BB0A.8050604@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:03 16/12/2005, you wrote: >It's fixed for the second, and hopefully final, time. Sorry about >that, folks! > >>Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html >_______________________________________________ I am sure I have seen bells on one of the "Tres Riches Heures" pages, but cannot access my pix right now. Also found beautiful bells on a gentleman in a painting in the Prado, Madrid in the summer. (This one is possibly later - I forget the date.) Will copy to you when I have a spare minute. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 10:34:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGFY359022891 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:34:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFXch0095033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFXc1H033639; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFXZT7033552 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.19]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051216153329.GTX12342.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:33:29 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051216085504.026b9df0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:29:26 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBGFXZT7033552 Subject: [h-cost] Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone seen this book or a review (preferably in English)? Le Vêtement: Histoire, archéologie et symbolique vestimentaires au Moyen Age (Cahiers du Léopard d'or) 332 pages Publisher: Léopard d'or (1989) Language: French ISBN: 2863770896 The title sounds interesting... Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 13:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGI7D6O027162 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:07:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGI6JEG014483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGI6Agw067215; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGI5xHn066999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBGHvUfN017526 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:57:31 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:57:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A30204.6020202@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:05:56 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A28A60.9040008@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: >> http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg Oh -- I forgot to say that iirc, "Hecyra" (in the URL) is the name of the main character for which this was an illustration in the story. That might help track it down. I tried looking further up Hope's website, but I didn't see it. Providing my memory is accurate! however, I think I found it via a discussion on this list some 6-7 years ago, so searching at the archives on the filename might find more info. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 14:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGJrg0d029921 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGJqUNa029633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGJqOKU078252; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGJqKtF078204 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.193]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 796B947FEE6 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:52:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c6027a$3d2701b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:52:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] email problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin i am very glad you sended the link with the new H-costume archive. It is very easy to use, and i discovered that i only gets a few of the posts sended to my own mailbox. I had the feeling something was wrong last week two. Mails just slit out of my mailbox, i can se they get in when i upload my outlook express, but only a few is to be seen there. ( a small arrow moves for each mail comming in) My computer works fine, so i think perhaps it is my webserver that have problems. Guess i have to call them for advise. But to all of you, if you have something important to tell me, please email me 2- 3 times, so that i am sure to catch one of the mails....... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:04:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGK4fp6030408 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:04:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGK4JDh031113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGK4H56088743; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGK4AC7088644 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.193]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 50706262860 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:03:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c6027b$e1e7b6d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:04:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarnes Sleaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Audrey Bergeron-Morin Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:49:31 -0800 Bjarne, those flowers, how did you learn to make them? Do you have a book (in English, French or Spanish) to recommend? They're really amazing, sitting there just on the edge of the fabric... Hi Audrey. The small flowers are very simple made with loops of chenille threads, with french knots in the middle. Larger flowers are stumpwork made with chenille thread. I make foundation leaves edged with tiny wire, stabstitched and later buttonhole stitch all way round. (in a hoop) Then the chenille threads are couched onto the leaves with a thinner thread. I have some stumpwork embroidery books, try to rent one in your local library, it is very fun and very amazing how you can create your own 3-dimentional flowers. I got the idea to make these flowers, when i studyed a particular 18th century dress wich seemed to be sprayed all over with small, dimentional, chenille thread flowers. Next week il promise you pictures of the finished dress, at last. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:21:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGKL9m7030625 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGKFW2L032531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKFDak098338; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKF4MV098084 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A041030C; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:14:57 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Dec 2005 15:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c6027d$90cf2560$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20881752.1134741864949.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] For the costumers Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:16:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am sooo jealous of your collection. I got Kahlo, the fridge magnet for Xmas last year and drool at all the other wonderful possibilities. Have not had such fun with this wearable/usable/own it yourself art since I discovered an artist's rendering of many famous paintings in which the human figure is replaced with Cats! A favorite on my wall is "OlymPUSS Apres Manet" Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers > This is an Unemployed Philosophers Guild product. They have a Beanie-Baby-style van Gogh doll with a detachable ear, a Global Warming mug that shows the predicted new coastlines when you fill it with hot coffee, a Scream pillow that does scream (and a Mona Lisa pillow that giggles), and Freudian Slippers with a sock-toe tongue protruding from Freud's mouth. Among many other punny, arch products. Character cards with stick-on appropriate quotations--including Jane Austen, fyi! They also have two different sets of Axis of Evil finger-puppets--choose according to your political inclinations.... > They're constantly adding to their line, and revising it too, at least if you consider that the Shakespeare "Brainy Baby" is now on his fourth costume design. I've given my artist friend Frieda Kahlo as well as van Gogh. I've got Shakespeare (2 different outfits); a friend gave me the Great Writers finger-puppet set. I've given my niece Jane Austen and my sister, a biologist, Charles Darwin. I'm hoping somebody will give me Eleanor Roosevelt and Che this Christmas! > If you like their sense of humor (and I confess I LOVE it with all my overeducated heart!), you can spend a lot of money with them. I haven't tumbled for the St. Sebastian pincushion yet, but it does look JUST like the painting, and I've found the painting perversely charming, with his faint little grin (ecstasy, I presume) and all, for years. As a Protestant/agnostic and lit major I take great pleasure in the various saints and feel free to find them bizarre. A friend of mine suggested that we start a pub on the Canadian border and call it the "St. Lawrence Bar and Grill." Talk about Eeeeeeuuuuuw! > Anyway, I assure all that I have no connection with the Unemployed Philosophers Guild except as a chronic customer. They have a website, in case you want to revel in their wierdness--or spend some money to make your overeducated friends laugh. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > >From: otsisto > >Sent: Dec 15, 2005 11:15 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers > > > >Oh how tacky. The things people create to sell. > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195> > > > >St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. > >I know I do! > > > >griz > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:27:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGKR3iM030714 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:27:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGKQaag033785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKQTJW008567; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:26:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKQJHD008435 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.147] (pm5-147.eos.net [205.133.149.147]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBGKQD1E007212 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:26:14 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:14:48 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512151824.jBFIO0pG039160@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: unemployed philosopher's guild X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Our art museum sells quite a bit of their products. I bought my brother a Freudian Sips coffee mug and a Freud finger puppet -- he comes with a couch finger puppet, which has a pop-up lady's head (for the patient's mother, who of course is behind all mental problems). My brother and his wife are both psychologists -- I bet their dinner conversation is fun! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGKoCNG031414 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:50:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGKm880036417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKm3RQ028578; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKlwLx028507 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA436361BD for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:47:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: keyword spamming Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:48:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2bb.28321fe.30d3fbac@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nice try but it says pride and prejudice before the name. :) Its a 1980s wedding dress (think Dallas) hmmm maybe your right about the Austin TX. :) De -----Original Message----- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362341194 Very, very vaguely late Victorian, maybe, but Jane Austen? Hey, maybe it was worn by somebody named Jane in Austin, Texas! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 17:02:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGM2PJk000597 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGM1l3N046204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGM1gpD088645; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGM1cTL088501 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:01:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Colleen.McDonald@comcast.net) Received: from 67.168.178.66 ([67.168.178.66]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005121622013301300oqjbse>; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:01:33 +0000 Received: from 192.150.22.150 (SquirrelMail authenticated user colleen) by 67.168.178.66 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8391.192.150.22.150.1134770493.squirrel@67.168.178.66> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Colleen McDonald" To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Clothing in Stuart England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought folks here might be interested in this. Looks like it's due out in February. Colleen Title: Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England Author: RIBEIRO, AILEEN Price: $65.00 ISBN: 0300109997 Description: New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2006. 28cm., cloth, ca 352pp., 80 color, 100 b&w illus. (Focusing on the rich visual culture of the seventeenth century, including portraits, engravings, fashion plates, and sculpture, and on literary sources?poetry, drama, essays, sermons?the distinguished historian of dress Aileen Ribeiro creates a fascinating account of Stuart dress and how it both reflected and influenced society. Supported by a wealth of illustrative images, she explores such varied themes as court costumes, the masque, the ways in which political and religious ideologies could be expressed in dress, and the importance of London as a fashion center. This beautiful book is an indispensable and authoritative account of what people wore and how it related to Stuart England's cultural climate) ^Available February 2006^. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 17:21:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGMLPWQ001122 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:21:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGMKkY5048848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGMKYEh003446; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGMKVsp003336 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter91.comcast.net ([204.127.197.191]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051216222026014008hp8se>; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:26 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter91.comcast.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 Message-Id: <121620052220.18285.43A33DA8000F0FEC0000476D22070208539C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beth, I know I have a French costuming book somewhere in my library, let me see if it is the same one or not. If it is, I like the book except for the fact it is in French - there was a chapter in it that I wanted translated, luckily I had an acquaintance who could translate the chapter for me. Must go and let arm and wrist rest, had a nasty fall last weekend. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Has anyone seen this book or a review (preferably in English)? > > Le Vêtement: Histoire, archéologie et symbolique vestimentaires au Moyen > Age (Cahiers du Léopard d'or) 332 pages Publisher: Léopard d'or (1989) > Language: French ISBN: 2863770896 > > The title sounds interesting... > > Beth Matney > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 19:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBH0Cvk3003442 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:12:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBH0CKxB063560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH0CG7l083736; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51315.mail.yahoo.com (web51315.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBH0CBaw083629 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26850 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2005 00:12:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OyDVRZblt21Yy1Cn3VU6fFU2mT/+eWbsryC+k6yTW/W7Qs9FL7Qp7pddTWT35e24oSVS57TIu5T+A151Hy61GwX2WwVBYHUfVVRj7aenUI9CY/qBr5PNYUDgkyZs0xfgHCs/FtTFlor59nwhVRLLQjFiefvLcyKzcxhHwFwoqWM= ; Message-ID: <20051217001206.26848.qmail@web51315.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51315.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:12:06 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg > > Great image - where and when is it from? > > Janet It is by the Orosius Master, ca. 1412: Laches accuses Sostrata. Paris, Bil. de L'Arsenal, ms. 664. fol. 213v. It was illustrating a Roman playwright's plays, but I can't find easily which playwright. The picture may be found in French Painting in the Time of Jean de Berry: The Limbourgs and Their Contemporaries (Plates volume), by Millard Meiss, George Braziller, NY. ISBN 0-8076-0734-7. The text volume does say which playwright, somewhere. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 19:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBH0KMEQ003556 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBH0K0eK064304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH0Jr5n088956; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51312.mail.yahoo.com (web51312.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBH0JpMJ088864 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46066 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2005 00:19:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kXmqM5TwCjXWJSfpY3sai1e6ZePXl2V9t83ms8k49nQbxhrp72geQaUtEWo5PLJCAXTF/vAmiQlWdrVtUvX91lsuaAquqq3/UgJZGNGeN/kvcL6ASSQZZTKOE78lTGqLd/kMVYy0H1A+KgryznOf1xACV3DFTwzLPiPQx3XJn+s= ; Message-ID: <20051217001947.46064.qmail@web51312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51312.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:19:47 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:19:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Wrist flare Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051217001206.26848.qmail@web51315.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, should have re-titled the previous message. ACt > > Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg > > > > Great image - where and when is it from? > > > > Janet > > It is by the Orosius Master, ca. 1412: Laches > accuses > Sostrata. Paris, Bil. de L'Arsenal, ms. 664. fol. > 213v. > Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 01:06:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBH66NTR009684 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBH65ruZ096313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH65kaf073213; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH65hk9073186 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09541 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:32:39 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:32:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update, my lectures in Portland, Oregon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I promised to post information on my upcoming lecture appearance in Portland, Oregon, when it became available. The registration information is now online here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classes&it=5433 or here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classes&it=5433 The date is March 25, 2006, and I'll be doing five lectures on women's dress of the 14th and 15th centuries. The event is part of an SCA university, but non-SCA members are welcome, and period dress is not required. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 06:58:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHBwQGu032099 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHBvuXk028434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHBvnZq036021; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHBvjsh035979 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c0.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.192]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BD41C47FEB3 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] light table X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I was thinking about wishing a light table for christmas and birthday. I have birthday in january and ususally wishes bigger things, and then combine the gifts this way. I was looking at a light table in a shop, and i wondered if any of you have any experiences with these. Could i use this to trace embroidery patterns on to fabrics? It could save me the work i have with transferring with graphite paper. Any thoaghts greatly apreciated. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 09:17:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHEHDAM015872 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHEGek8058062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEGVIv014080; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEGJwU013974 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:16:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43A41DB8.8020304@msn.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2005 14:16:14.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[70592F00:01C60314] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you only work on small objects they are great. I just use my large windows! I have also used a glass table with a lamp underneath it. Sort of depends if you have the room to store another gadget and don't have anything else to wish for! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 09:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHEojA0016403 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHEmoEF061162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEmmw4031737; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEmd3l031656 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.95.64.96]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20051217144838.NWIG8316.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20051217094108.00b9cb48@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:48:26 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] light table X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a light table and I love it. I use it for all sorts of things, and yes, it would be wonderful for transferring your embroidery patterns. I also use it for tracing my flat patterns and checking that seams match and notches line up. It's also helpful when I have draped a pattern and want to transfer it to paper. I also use it for the obvious re-drawing croquis. My advice would be to purchase as large a light box as you can afford. Mine is the same as the type used to view hospital x-rays and is roughly the size of a legal size page. I always wish it was larger something about 40 cm x 50 cm or larger would be ideal. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 10:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHF5PnH016600 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHF5588062377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHF5208040267; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHF4xW6040174 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:04:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43A42917.4020209@msn.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:04:55 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2005 15:04:45.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[374273A0:01C6031B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Casanova movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This looks like it will be fun at the very least. I don't know much about the period, but it certainly looks like it has potential as a costume movie. http://casanova.movies.go.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 10:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHFmOD2017216 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHFlsPg066334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHFlpeU064691; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHFlmHX064668 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=cY8GaE4HW+rTvbqtLldTBCI6d2mXYnwyDy9a/AS6hqN7LK/rrDgPHh/IHmiP2Mzu; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.227] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EneHi-0006LY-Mq for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c60321$39eec030$e3159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b6efc830175d1cb3566fe6c731bcef18d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.227 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne- While I use my light box primarily working on paper, I have also used it to transfer designs to cloth when making banners, small theatre drops, and wall hangings. The last time I used it on fabric, the 8W fluorescent lamp inside was able to make the design easily seen through heavy white cotton duck and colored felt. Mine is 24x30", and for larger projects, you just set up a grid and do it section by section. You may not need anything that large, and there are some small ones currently available in the craft departments that have the same wattage, and are available for less than $50US. Alternatively, you can use a sheet of glass or perspex propped up over a small under-the-counter kitchen kitchen fluorescent light, which costs about $13US. (Before I had a light box, I used to work on a glass-topped table with a desk lamp underneath it.) Used X-ray readers also work, and you might be able to find a used one cheaply. It's a wonderful thing to have, and makes a lot of work so much easier. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 11:33:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHGX0UU017864 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:33:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHGW6K3070643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGW2Nd089722; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGVxJn089643 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E21F211898 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02137-01-16 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 480E8211897 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013001c60327$5d9b6230$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22e.3201156.30c24d2f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi > Christmas - I'm a complete sucker for just about all of them, but White > Christmas, (I fell in love with the red 'santa' dresses that Rosemary > Clooney and > Vera Ellen wear at the end when I was about three), Wonderful Life, and > Miracle > on 34th Street. > > And films that aren't strictly Christmas films, but that I associate with > Christmas - Meet Me in St Louis, and The Shop Around the Corner. (Can you > tell I > do old Hollywood?) > > And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the > Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. > > Debs I'm coming in very late on this, due to the traumas of moving. We only moved two miles, but what a two weeks it's been! Sheesh!! My favorite Christmas movies are It's A Wonderful Life (I adore Jimmy Stewart) and Scrooge--a musical from about 1970=71, starring Albert Finney. After I watch it, I walk around for days humminh "I Like Life" and "Thank You Very Much"! Dianne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 11:36:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHGaxUd017944 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHGaS79070935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGaRLC092398; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGaNiw092300 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066C521017F for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03815-01-33 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3418211218 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a501c60327$fd9228a0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric > Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) > that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill > that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw > out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants it. > Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember his > name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public TV > (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) Was it Magic Mike? If so, I know he was very ill for a while. Good to know he's better. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 16:50:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHLo2O0022852 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHLiKPx002454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHLiGB4068126; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHLiCgp068013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EnjqB-0000Im-BH; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:43:43 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:43:43 -0600 Message-ID: <20051217154343.daepf0375lis8wk8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:43:43 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi, > I was thinking about wishing a light table for christmas and > birthday. I have birthday in january and ususally wishes bigger > things, and then combine the gifts this way. > I was looking at a light table in a shop, and i wondered if any of > you have any experiences with these. > Could i use this to trace embroidery patterns on to fabrics? > It could save me the work i have with transferring with graphite paper. > Any thoaghts greatly apreciated. > Oh, yes. I *love* my light table. I use it for all kinds of things -- not just needlework. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 20:49:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBI1nMp6027088 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:49:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBI1mudg026236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBI1mpSB080770; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBI1mmrr080731 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.124]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051218014842.CUUF12342.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:48:42 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051217194355.0281f890@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:48:35 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-Reply-To: <200512171632.jBHGW4iZ089745@net.indra.com> References: <200512171632.jBHGW4iZ089745@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh that hurts. I had a bad one on concrete about a month ago. Please let me know which one you have. I've been collecting quite a bit on archaeological textiles and costumes (SCA period), but need more on France. Take care. Beth At 10:32 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > >Beth, > > I know I have a French costuming book somewhere in my library, let me > see if it is the same one or not. If it is, I like the book except for > the fact it is in French - there was a chapter in it that I wanted > translated, luckily I had an acquaintance who could translate the chapter > for me. Must go and let arm and wrist rest, had a nasty fall last weekend. > >Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 10:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIFkIfj018878 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIFig7W018442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIFiaLx078661; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHLAp2Y048824 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20051217211046014008luqee>; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:10:46 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:10:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: aquaterratextiles@yahoogroups.com (Aquaterra Textiles), h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List), murmurs@baronyofaquaterra.org (Murmurs Aquaterra), AnTirMerchants@yahoogroups.com (Merchants An Tir) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:10:45 +0000 Message-Id: <121720052110.864.43A47ED4000F2AF60000036022007601800809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:44:35 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Sandra Davis Subject: [h-cost] OT: books for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forgive the use of bandwidth..but I'm beginning to sell my books. If I can remember where to post to the Historical Costume sell lists, I'll also post there as well. Below, please find the list and for those lists that don't block attachments, I'm attaching an excell spread sheet. Please email me privately at elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net or call me at 425-357-1779 (located in Everett, WA). For those books that have multiple interested parties, bidding off list could be arranged. TitleAuthorDate Published / CopyrightedISBN or LLCPrice:Note on Contents The World of Walls, the middle ages in Western EuropePolly Schoyer Brooks, Nancy Zinsser Walworth1966LCC 66-10039$20.00Gregory the Great, Rise of the Franks, Charlemange, William the Conqueror, Eleanor of Aquitane, Francis of Assis, Simon do Montfort, Chaucer, biblio, index History of Western Music Rev. Ed. Donald Jay Grout, Cornell Univ1973, 1960ISBN 0-393-09416-2$25.00Gregorian chant, polypony, frend italian music biblio, index The Scottish Country Dance Book # 25Music arranged by Margaret T W Rae1970none$35.00Published by the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society, includes dance figures and steps 2 COPIES The A cappella singer, # 1682, mixed voicesedited by H. Clough-Leighter1936, 1964none$25.00 EACHA collection of Motets, madrigals, chafons, carols, ayres, ballets, etc Fifth Book of SongsRobert Foresman1926none$35.00Includes folks songs Hungarian, Morvarian, German The Timetables of Women's History, a chronologyKaren Greenspan1966ISBN 0-684-81579-6$15.00paperback Medieval ReaderNorman F. Cantor1994ISBN 0-06-270102-9$15.00first hand accounts of the middle ages including letters essays, state and charch documents, poetry and ballads. Aauthros index. A Ceremony of CarolsBenjamin Britten1943none$10.00For treble voices and harp or piano Anglo saxon verseRichard Hamer1970ISBN 571 08765 5$10.00a selection and parallel verse translations Everyday life in Ottoman TurkeyRaphaela Lewis1971ISBN 7134 1687 4$10.00from the 5th cent, Glossary of turkish terms, index Chief Pre-Shekespearean DramasJoseph Quncy Adams. Cornell Univ.1924 (1st ed)none$35.00a selection of plays illustrating the history of the english drama from it’s origin down to shakespeare Medieval LondonGordon Home1994ISBN 1 85891 131 1$45.00history of london from 457 to date (1927) Costuming the Amateur ShowDorothy Lynne Saunders1938none$25.00info on the stage costume. Folk Ballads of the english-speaking worldedited by Albert B. Friedman, Harvard Univ.1968LCC 56-7084$25.00Ballads of England, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, US, West Indies, Australia The Notebooks of Leomardo da VinciEdward MacCurdy1954none$45.00excellent information History of CostumeBlanche Payne, University of Washington, Seattle WA1965LCC 65-10419$75.00From the Ancient Egyptians to the 20th Cent. Fashion Mila Conti1965LCC 65-20567$75.00From the Ancient Egyptians to the present (1965) Thank you for your patience and understanding... Gia --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 13:08:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBII8IL0022082 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBII7mcM034290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBII7hDe063224; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBII7eJ4063164 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eo2wd-000Map-7M for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:07:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:06:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote >I thought the witch's dresses towards the beginning looked very odd >(especially the weird sticking-out-six-inches-at-the-back thing) but I >think the material it was made of was pretty well chosen; it looked >more like it was sort of magically grown than made, which strikes me as >right. > >I did like her last two dresses, though--the strapless dark brown one, >and the maned chain mail battle outfit. Wonder how much that one >weighed; to me it actually looked like chain mail rather than that fake >metallic knit stuff that some movies use to impersonate chain mail. >The mane was a nice touch. It seemed like something Jadis would do. > >-E House > I haven't seen it yet, but I just noticed the chain mail dress on the poster at the bus stop I stand at every day (took me a week to notice it was mail!) I believe all the armour and weaponry was done by Weta Workshops, who invented plastic chainmail for the Lord of the Rings films. It's made from individual links, so it looks and moves like real mail, but the links are plastic, so it's really light. The main reason for using it was the logistics of trying to shift armour for hordes of extras all round New Zealand, but I guess it also allows you to do these kind of totally fantasy costumes. IIRC it even pools round her feet - do that with metal mail and you'd be completely immobilised! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 14:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIJqHcm024329 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIJpJa5043417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJpF5Y021283; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJpBnI021156 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20a.f6014b1 (15703) for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d5743a5bd962b5; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7D2237916954A-1ACC-3187@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Received: from 24.136.228.26 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.213 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I used to use a light table all the time when I did commercial art way back before computers took over. It was very helpful for a number of other things as well. But when I stopped working for the ad company and didn't have access to their light table, I rigged one at home. I just took a pane of glass I had, taped some wax paper to the under side of it[to 'frost" the glass], straddled it between two end tables and put a directional desk lamp under it pointing up. Worked fine. I didn't need it often so I would just set it up when I needed it....and if it was daytime, I'd just use a window! My friend and colleague Lisa, who used to free lance with me, would just put a light under her glass coffee table. I suppose we should have invested in a real light table, but the technology was changing fast and we just didn't need to use it as much. -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:55 +0100 Subject: [h-cost] light table Hi, I was thinking about wishing a light table for christmas and birthday. I have birthday in january and ususally wishes bigger things, and then combine the gifts this way. I was looking at a light table in a shop, and i wondered if any of you have any experiences with these. Could i use this to trace embroidery patterns on to fabrics? It could save me the work i have with transferring with graphite paper. Any thoaghts greatly apreciated. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 15:00:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIJxxoQ024470 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:59:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIJxKnj043939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJxJ9R024901; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJxG8u024864 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24810 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:26:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:26:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table In-Reply-To: <8C7D2237916954A-1ACC-3187@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 albertcat@aol.com wrote: > I just took a pane of glass I had, taped some wax paper to the under > side of it[to 'frost" the glass], straddled it between two end tables > and put a directional desk lamp under it pointing up. My usual workaround is to take the leaf out of my dining room table and lay a sheet of glass (leftover from a picture frame) over the gap. I've learned to put masking tape around the edges of the glass so I don't cut myself. Then a table lamp under the table. I like being able to spread out all my drawing equipment on the rest of the table! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 15:04:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIK4nqP024553 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:04:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIK4AJ5044232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIK4ANn027149; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIK46N7027120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBIJtYfN027825 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:55:34 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A5C0B4.7060700@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:04:04 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > My usual workaround is to take the leaf out of my dining room table and > lay a sheet of glass (leftover from a picture frame) over the gap. I've > learned to put masking tape around the edges of the glass so I don't cut > myself. Then a table lamp under the table. Likewise, but with plexiglas. (Two 4-yr-olds increases the chaos factor enough that it's worth a few bucks for the plastic!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Mindless entertainment is the handmaiden of fascism. -- Mo/Alison Bechdel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 19:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJ05wJ0032536 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ05Trs065177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ05OVL037477; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ05LeE037436 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.93.44] (dialup-4.249.93.44.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.93.44]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ05Eqg004120 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:05:15 -0800 Message-ID: <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:05:32 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > I haven't seen it yet, but I just noticed the chain mail dress on the > poster at the bus stop I stand at every day (took me a week to notice it > was mail!) I believe all the armour and weaponry was done by Weta > Workshops, who invented plastic chainmail for the Lord of the Rings > films. yes. they slice up pvc pipe and use it for the rings in the maille. It is very light and looks amazingly good. so much better than 'string maille'. It was striking in the way it draped, wasn't it! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 19:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJ0srJw001847 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ0nXKw069414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ0nSbW057640; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ0nOHi057612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBJ0eqfN030057 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:40:52 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:40:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A60392.2060400@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:49:22 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Judy Mitchell wrote: > Jean Waddie wrote: I believe all the armour and weaponry was done by Weta >> Workshops, who invented plastic chainmail for the Lord of the Rings >> films. > yes. they slice up pvc pipe and use it for the rings in the maille. > It is very light and looks amazingly good. so much better than 'string > maille'. It was striking in the way it draped, wasn't it! I saw the LoTR stuff when the show came through the Museum of Science in Boston. It was quite believable (I've seen a lot of metal mail of varying quality, some quite very good) aside from it having a square cross-section. Which mostly gave it a slightly weird air, not unreasonable in a Fantasy movie. And I had a giggle at the elastic loop yardage glued on the inside of Elrond's coronet, clearly for bobby pins or similar to anchor it on. Inventive, if a little mystique-bursting! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Mindless entertainment is the handmaiden of fascism. -- Mo/Alison Bechdel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 22:40:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJ3eQhG007204 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ3deD9085230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ3daQC044447; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ3dWVe044296 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051219033926.TIHL4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:26 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051219033925.EPTG1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:25 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.1/206]); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:34 +1300 Message-ID: <007e01c6044d$d435db10$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:32 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > yes. they slice up pvc pipe and use it for the rings in the maille. It > is very light and looks amazingly good. so much better than 'string > maille'. It was striking in the way it draped, wasn't it! Though there was string maille in the very background shots of LotR;) I know some people who wore it... Thus they never knew of the electroplated stuff. Someone pointed out to me that WETA now have a different process, which makes for smoother rings: http://www.wetanz.com/chainmaille/index.html michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 09:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJE3kMn018463 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJE3EWk035835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJE3Ate042902; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJE32oA042775 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F20DBE650 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:02:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:03:02 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051219140255.4F20DBE650@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Happy Holidays! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I wish you all Happy Holiday's! http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/X/XB2.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 14:05:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJJ5iHU023788 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJJ56nJ090457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJ4b9K001426; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJ4VSC001364 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.50]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EoQJC-0006ca-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <25136007.1135019070467.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT:wonderful weird headline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello the list. My attention was first drawn to this headline in a local (Stratford, CT) paper because of the faulty possessive noun and the interesting choice of singular verb. BUT my attention was then rewarded by realizing that this sports headline manages to use two words (out of a total of five) that also are items of women's historical costume. So I thought you would all enjoy pondering this: "STRATFORD GIRLS HOOPS STAYS UNBEATEN" For those of you unfamiliar with American sports lingo, the Girls' Basketball Team of Stratford High School continues its winning streak. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 14:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJJVmtu024142 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJJVJoY094095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJVDtq026602; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJV6Xn026480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.5]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EoQiv-00075k-77 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200512191900.jBJJ0CQO096834@net.indra.com> References: <200512191900.jBJJ0CQO096834@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61DC46F1-7496-4BC0-8989-C1A811A5BF6C@verybigdesign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jen funk segrest Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: light tables X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A fast cheap way is to get one thats pretty good... (thats more than a piece of glass across an end table over a light) of these display box frames. Target has them from 9x11 and larger... They have a glass wood framed hinged lid and can be hung up on the wall for displaying large items or a series of little 3-d things... I got mine for $9 or so. You can get (a cheap couple of tap lights for next to nothing or) a small plug in florescent for about $10. Cut a hole in the particle board back to pass out any cords, put on some rubber silicone feet. Velcro or screw in the lights inside the case. TAH DAH! You can tape some freezer paper, parchment tracing paper, or white wrapping tissue paper to back side of the glass... you really want some diffuser, even it's it's frosted contact paper for windows... there are also sheets of ghosted plastic at the fabric stores for quilting and stenciling... as well as art stores (sca people never seem to go to REAL olde tyme art stores, just craft stores) The whole thing can come in under $20 if you have a little time and don't need a HUGE one. And most times you don't. Other good ideas are finding a large frame and put two pieces of glass with sheet of your diffuser of choice in between, and keep it all in with the push down finegrs on the frame. Then go to the hardware store and get some 3 or 4" screw on feet... just enough to slip a trim small florescent under... this works nice as it can be all slipped under a couch. griz, designer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 17:46:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJMkc4Q027560 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:46:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJMjkar021815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJMONsd077744; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJMOA61077473 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e8.489739fa (57317) for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.489739fa.30d88cfe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:23:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT:wonderful weird headline To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/19/2005 2:06:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: "STRATFORD GIRLS HOOPS STAYS UNBEATEN" ************************ Well, both her stays and her hoops are FILTHY....and need to be taken down to the river and BEATEN on a rock! Talk about airy dirty laundry in public! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 12:19:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKHJnQW011715 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKHJKph047310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKHJA1Y043236; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKHJ6lG043069 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6B13D06C for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43A83D4C.4060701@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:20:12 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric shopping bargains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know most folks are probably shopped out by now, but I thought I would pass this along for the die-hards. :) My two local Joann's have placed a lot of those fancy Europa brand metallic woven trims on deep clearance. I just bought a bunch at .75 per yard. (Down from $4-6) They had some really nice wedding laces marked down to ridiculous prices too. It won't last. If you're a trim junkie, it's worth looking into. Also, mid/late-January is when Joann's typically puts the remaining spring and summer fashion fabrics on the dollar tables. This means there's a chance at cheap linen and silk. So if you need to start saving, now would be the time to set some money aside in anticipation. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 13:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKIxLL1014194 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKIwZM7060720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKIwWCt033105; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKIuggH031582 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:56:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 562E533893 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:56:41 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric shopping bargains Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:56:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A83D4C.4060701@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My Jo Ann's, after their 50% off clearance sale of Europa trim shipped it off to a sister store for their grand opening. Then at the beginning of Dec. shipped all of their spring and summer clearance to that store. So I will not be looking at any linen bargains this January. :( De -----Original Message----- I know most folks are probably shopped out by now, but I thought I would pass this along for the die-hards. :) My two local Joann's have placed a lot of those fancy Europa brand metallic woven trims on deep clearance. I just bought a bunch at .75 per yard. (Down from $4-6) They had some really nice wedding laces marked down to ridiculous prices too. It won't last. If you're a trim junkie, it's worth looking into. Also, mid/late-January is when Joann's typically puts the remaining spring and summer fashion fabrics on the dollar tables. This means there's a chance at cheap linen and silk. So if you need to start saving, now would be the time to set some money aside in anticipation. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 14:28:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKJSV9H014874 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKJS9AJ064608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKJS1IW059202; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKJRv5K059068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id jBKJRqL54146 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:27:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 20 Dec 2005 13:27:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:27:22 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:27:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fabric shopping bargains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know most folks are probably shopped out by now, but I thought I would pass this along for the die-hards. :) My two local Joann's have placed a lot of those fancy Europa brand metallic woven trims on deep clearance. I just bought a bunch at .75 per yard. (Down from $4-6) They had some really nice wedding laces marked down to ridiculous prices too. It won't last. If you're a trim junkie, it's worth looking into. Also, mid/late-January is when Joann's typically puts the remaining spring and summer fashion fabrics on the dollar tables. This means there's a chance at cheap linen and silk. So if you need to start saving, now would be the time to set some money aside in anticipation. :) Dawn ============================== I just have to try and get to them before Dawn does, since we share locale :). Cy's BIG sale is next Monday! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 17:42:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKMgSDW019256 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKMewBl088006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKMesm5017925; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKMenJP017793 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2005 06:40:40 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:47:43 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my poor tired brain with options? Mnay thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:03:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKN3o1c019874 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:03:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKN3F9q090671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKN3Ato036978; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKN2ubj036720 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE0AB353A0 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Frogs? -----Original Message----- I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my poor tired brain with options? Mnay thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:06:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKN6mY9019936 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKN66iH091163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKN653m039584; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBKN61Kk039539 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 9429 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9419, pid: 9424, t: 0.4451s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051220145018.02376758@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:59:16 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question In-Reply-To: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:47 PM 12/20/2005, you wrote: >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking >for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two >sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can >anyone help my poor tired brain with options? >Mnay thanks, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ Hooks and eyes are period. Just be certain to put them no more than 1" apart. Any farther apart and you will have gaps. And do sew down the hook side at the little loops at one end and at the hook end. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKNBYEX020060 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKNBFDY092295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNBC8i043825; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBKMwOlM032927 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4TDD2AD4HQAS for (sender ); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCPVB5PQ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:57:38 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:23:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Message-ID: <20051220.162348.-460187.3.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-17 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3565507695 X-MAIL-INFO: 0d13be5ebef7ab97f7abdadfabda0a4b2f43fb3aa78343371f8aa7ef375b33e337bb7e9b1317139f1ada2aab13df X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78l4OgDIQcztEixsrfJSek77u2K+K5Jp5A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hooks and eyes? On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:47:43 +1100 A & J Garden writes: > I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking > for > a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides > > just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone > help > my poor tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKNMWIx020380 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKNMEe6093674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNMBwM052707; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNM6DJ052615 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=JyKhnSyqdd1l67q1eO2podyfTudqSpZd2XV8q/309j0W4e3FPn2Z9Gc0G943VfsW; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.122.184.104] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eoqo1-0005oN-25 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:22:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c408f1330a58456bb85c6a951acea7667350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.122.184.104 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:47 AM +1100 12/21/05, A & J Garden wrote: >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking >for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two >sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can >anyone help my poor tired brain with options? Hooks and eyes? They're documentably period for front closures of men's doublets, as evidenced by the well-known portrait of (IIRC) Henry VIII's fool. They do have to be carefully placed in order to make the edges butt up against each other exactly, and don't hesitate to space them at 1 inch apart or even closer. Commercial hook and eye tape usually has its hooks spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately. Also, you need to bone, or at least reinforce, the edges they will be sewed to, in order to prevent buckling and gapping. If the tightness is due to the wearer's having gained a few pounds, it might be worthwhile to put a hidden lacing underneath, to pull the wearer's girth in just a bit (if he'll put up with that, or feels the weight gain is temporary). Then cover it with a plain cloth placket and add the hooks and eyes to the outer edges. I've sometimes heard it recommended that you alternate which side the hooks go on (i.e. the first pair would be hook on the left, eye on the right, and the next pair eye on the left, hook on the right). But I don't know whether that actually makes a smoother closure or not. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:31:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKNVH2a020685 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:31:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKNUsA0094661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNUnOu059103; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNUfSY058997 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i8YfxrU6Q+tVHo4csOf2maUn2CB3mUUL3Z7/8S8brSc9UfN08hzA0qmPhOTLMVLf; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.124.13] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoqwK-00010B-K7 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c605bd$67d380f0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:12:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4856cfbcd4ca91f14ab53503755d416368666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.124.13 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a >period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just >meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my >poor tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen I've got several pictures of doublets that lace or hook up the front. Most of them off the top of my head are leather, but I think there's a few that aren't. If you send me your e-mail I'll see about sending you a few of the pictures. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:02:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL02NEm021411 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL01XcD097978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL01OCl082295; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBL01J62082192 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 91744 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.117.59 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 00:01:13 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051220235505.01d91eb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:01:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question In-Reply-To: References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:22 20/12/2005, you wrote: >At 9:47 AM +1100 12/21/05, A & J Garden wrote: >>I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking >>for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two >>sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can >>anyone help my poor tired brain with options? > >Hooks and eyes? They're documentably period for front closures of >men's doublets, as evidenced by the well-known portrait of (IIRC) >Henry VIII's fool. > >They do have to be carefully placed in order to make the edges butt >up against each other exactly, and don't hesitate to space them at 1 >inch apart or even closer. Commercial hook and eye tape usually has >its hooks spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately. Also, >you need to bone, or at least reinforce, the edges they will be >sewed to, in order to prevent buckling and gapping. > >If the tightness is due to the wearer's having gained a few pounds, >it might be worthwhile to put a hidden lacing underneath, to pull >the wearer's girth in just a bit (if he'll put up with that, or >feels the weight gain is temporary). Then cover it with a plain >cloth placket and add the hooks and eyes to the outer edges. > >I've sometimes heard it recommended that you alternate which side >the hooks go on (i.e. the first pair would be hook on the left, eye >on the right, and the next pair eye on the left, hook on the right). >But I don't know whether that actually makes a smoother closure or not. When I worked in the theatre, alternate hooks and eyes, or rather loops, were important as they do not "spring" open as sometimes same side hooks and eyes/loops can. I know some people like and use hook and loop tape, and I understand it has improved since I was using it, but in the days when God was a lass the old fashioned hook and loop tape would come apart with monotonous regularity. What helps a tight join is to set the "nose" part of the hook back from the edge, and only have a small part of the loop showing over the edge. Also buttonhole stitching round the loop in a thread to match the doublet helps it to grip, and to blend into the fabric. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:02:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL02cf7021414 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:02:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL01kdI097999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL01iPe082597; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL01dLx082489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBKNr3fN032037 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:53:03 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:53:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A89B61.90304@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:01:37 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > Commercial hook and eye tape usually has its hooks > spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately. I suppose you could run two layers of it, if the thickness weren't a problem. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, travel in huge packs, and are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL05m5S021457 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:05:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL048ja098384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL048I7084530; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL044B7084353 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.285.29fc165 (4468) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <285.29fc165.30d9f5e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:03:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: light tables X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If anybody's got a theatrical lighting supplier near them, a frost gel (looks like frosted glass, but is plastic). Comes in white in different weights for different levels of light diffusion. Not sure what the US term is, but it's the stuff used in spotlights for 'soft focus'. Best of all, it's quite cheap, and you can cut it with scissors. Debs. (did stage lighting at college before costume!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL0ptig022952 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL0pWR8003333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL0pSsA015866; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:51:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL0pMTM015734 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2005 08:51:16 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43A8A8AD.2050405@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:58:21 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question - frogs? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen frogs at http://fingerloop.org/aglet.html - how far apart would these have been placed? Thanks, Aylwen otsisto wrote: >Frogs? > >-----Original Message----- >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for >a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides >just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help >my poor tired brain with options? >Mnay thanks, Aylwen > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 21:00:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL20mJu024271 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:00:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL20Ig4009150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL20Dbk056327; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL20BQ9056318 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so33423wra for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=X33j3Mk3ACTNM39Sn1eL33XosO91ktq2euZOH33Ou2SAc1E1iOJ6VfRsqkGtCDJORzSOk/3syKE3O8SVxtmMUt4YBdO5JR4HLG202YWQS9UG3WxQUysAFM+UsyTmna7BSaK+oHcYX6w6l3MHtHWV7CxiPPbJdcJt8GwRMAH7ODc= Received: by 10.65.181.18 with SMTP id i18mr139123qbp; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e17sm96721qbe.2005.12.20.18.00.09; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:00:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004b01c605d2$46d4a590$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:00:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can make button with loops instead of buttonholes, or simple hook and eyes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a >period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just >meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my poor >tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 21:19:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL2JpVQ024581 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:19:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL2JOcW012335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL2JNQN068037; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL2JELw067941 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBL2BNe15148 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:11:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002601c605d5$e266d200$81bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:25:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hooks and eyes. They're quite appropriate as closures on doublets, at least in the 16th century. --Sue in cold Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question > I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for > a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides > just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help > my poor tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 22:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL3Inuc025658 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:18:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL3HwMB020390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL3HtNj000126; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL3Hkjf099895 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f1.498402c2 (62976) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.498402c2.30da234c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:17:32 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 12/20/2005 9:01:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, audreybmorin@gmail.com writes: You can make button with loops instead of buttonholes, or simple hook and eyes. This is what I was going to suggest. In "Fashion in Detail" there is a doublet with lozenge shaped buttons and loops....the cord also being used for decoration in a frog-like manner. And I seem to remember something about two rows of buttons [one on each side] that are used to lace a doublet closes....looping the cord around the buttons. But that may be just for women's doublet bodices....though I don't know why. And of course hooks and eyes are period as has been pointed out. You can sew a button right on the edge of the opening over each hook and eye. I would recommend a placket underneath.....and underlap of the fashion fabric to make any small gaps not noticeable. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 23:30:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL4Uwsp027063 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:30:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL4UT8t027867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL4UR26038226; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL4UNjn038195 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 933E81C906 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:30:22 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] men's Elizabethan doublet question - frogs? Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:30:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A8A8AD.2050405@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't seem to find the pictures (one was definitely "Italian"). I have seen the second "frog" drawing on the site you provided. They were spaced approx. 1" apart (or a wee bit less). Would recommend that you go the hook & eye route if a picture can't be produce, especially if the doublet needs to be authentic in style. The "frog" length of each piece side looked to be 1 1/2" including the loop and button/ball. De -----Original Message----- I've seen frogs at http://fingerloop.org/aglet.html - how far apart would these have been placed? Thanks, Aylwen otsisto wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 05:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLA5LXZ000399 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLA4pxW075270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLA4jaW002819; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLA4f9Z002752 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2a1.28bcf3b (48552) for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2a1.28bcf3b.30da82b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:04:33 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] men's Elizabethan doublet question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Either hooks and eyes - alternately placed (hook then eye, then hook, then eye etc), in brass, bronze or iron (recommend Annie the Pedlar). Or buttons and loops - hand made loops in the old fashioned buttonhole stitch method better than cord, being stronger. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 06:21:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLBLSFN018912 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:21:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLBL0vt080774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLBKv55035975; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLBKrB0035920 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.245]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E4A347FE94 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:20:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:21:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greetings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello. First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, and i need to make everything ready for christmas. You can se it on my webpage here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Many greetings Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 09:00:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLE06oF005344 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:00:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLDxIiW091237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLDxF2I011781; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLDxCx4011739 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:59:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C3D72E2F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] greetings Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:59:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYGILo+ghCqxmk1QeqpKQdlQUnORwAFcH3A Message-Id: <20051221135912.45C3D72E2F@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I am in awe! That embroidery looks absolutely fantastic!!!!!!! Makes me wish I had a reason to commission a dress from you someday, the work is exquisite! I'm sorry we will have to wait for more updates, but I hope you have a very merry Christmas and enjoy your holidays. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:21 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] greetings Hello. First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, and i need to make everything ready for christmas. You can se it on my webpage here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Many greetings Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 10:12:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLFC9b7007170 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:12:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLFBDuK099738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLFB9hT057208; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLFB6Rg057126 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051221151101014008foohe>; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:11:01 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:10:59 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:10:59 +0000 Message-Id: <122120051510.22635.43A970830006513B0000586B22092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Awesome!!! Absolutely gorgeous! Now I want one! Thank you for sharing your gorgeous work. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Wonderful New Year to you! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hello. > First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the > best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, > and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. > I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille > embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the > finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, > and i need to make everything ready for christmas. > You can se it on my webpage here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 11:01:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLG1Vf0008232 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:01:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLG1EPG005496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLG1Btj094287; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLG0fxr093850 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA53D082 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:00:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43A97C25.8090601@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:00:37 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyes in History and Archaeology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband forwarded this to me ... "This is the name of the journal which contains papers presented at the annual meetings of Dyes in History and Archaeology, formerly known as the Association of Researchers into Dyes in History and Archaeology For availability of the journal, contact Archetype Publications " http://www.chriscooksey.demon.co.uk/dha/index.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 11:37:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLGbZmE009112 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:37:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLGaZUk009045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLGaUBE022365; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLGaLVN022136 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051221163613015004rr11e>; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:13 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:13 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:13 +0000 Message-Id: <122120051636.19538.43A9847D00059A9D00004C5222058891169C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Holiday greetings to you, Bjarne! 18th century costumes are on my list of one day creating. I just noticed that the pattern company Butterick is putting out patterns of this period now. Since, one day I also want to do some stumpwork and have several very good books on the subject, I was curious about some pieces you showed on your website. I noticed that you did several leaves of the same kind on one piece of fabric. Do you cut each of these leaves with the fabric still on the back of each one, then stitch them to the dress? Best regards, Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hello. > First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the > best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, > and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. > I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille > embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the > finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, > and i need to make everything ready for christmas. > You can se it on my webpage here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 13:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLICi5N011104 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLIC8S5021235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLIC4FC004456; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLHNXQB062408 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:23:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ep7gb-0005CN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <4931865.1135185813039.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:23:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Bjarne, I have the strongest possible faith in the ability of humans to do wonderful things, but it's still hard to believe that that gorgeous gown is the work of human hands in the year 2005! If I hadn't been fortunate enough to watch it being built patiently, piece by lovely piece, I'd be even more amazed than I am. It embodies not only your knowledge and your skill but also, quite obviously, your heart. Thank you for sharing this complex and wonderful project with all of us. May 2006 be as great for you as the work you do. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Dec 21, 2005 6:21 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] greetings > >Hello. >First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the >best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, >and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. >I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille >embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the >finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, >and i need to make everything ready for christmas. >You can se it on my webpage here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > >Many greetings > >Bjarne > > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 14:41:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLJfSQV012581 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:41:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLJdsmG031339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJdjX9013653; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJdfTw013559 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.203]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C7CD5EE0E5 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:39:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000301c60666$4f14ec80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:39:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re: [h-cost] greetings roscelinlimoges Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:44:08 -0800 Holiday greetings to you, Bjarne! 18th century costumes are on my list of one day creating. I just noticed that the pattern company Butterick is putting out patterns of this period now. Since, one day I also want to do some stumpwork and have several very good books on the subject, I was curious about some pieces you showed on your website. I noticed that you did several leaves of the same kind on one piece of fabric. Do you cut each of these leaves with the fabric still on the back of each one, then stitch them to the dress? Best regards, RoscelinDear Roscelin.Yes i have made all the stumpwork leaves, both green leaves and flower leaves on a silk dupioni.When i have made the foundation with stabstitching a small wire to the edge, and then buttonhole stitched the whole shape, i finally couch on the chenille thread to the foundation.Then each leave is cut out, and assembled to the embroidery.Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 14:48:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLJmqsi012695 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLJmRDb033140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJmP7K020693; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJmMnj020616 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.203]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9861A2628D6 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c60667$87c85890$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greetings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all. I want to thank you all for all the beautifull words you give me for the dress i made. I must admit that i some times have ben desperate because i have ben strugling with the dress. It has ben hard times, when the tedious work had to be made. Also my despare because i was so long time to make it. Luckily the lady i make it for, has ben very patiente with me, and have had understandings when i had to make some breaks in the work. This is the last robe a la francaise you will se from my hand. This is a desition i have made for the last year, i wish in the future to only make 18th century accessories, aprons, mittens, stomachers, and the like. Embroidery gives me so much more joy than sewing dresses............... Only costumes i shal make is for myself. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 00:40:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM5eU15022061 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM5dnft005593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM5dhrR091095; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBM5dfIg091009 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 22317 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2005 05:39:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=axvGO7jWs9bX0buNStPFoolXQ9g9kfPjw6kQKYzDjnzmW9uJg97YMr7tlNUZGxvRCvzxSjeR6UCDUPYTC5jZB2KcjWGkieBi6Oyzt0p+wymbju4Zi5nT7XAiPkEp8kbIGl/IaDNYfNrDnj3XZX+5EpRI4kHlLNKez20efHBFUAg= ; Message-ID: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:39:35 EST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:39:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] V&A Periodical X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy holidays to everyone on the list! I was wondering if anyone out there happens to collect the "The Journal of the Costume Society" published for the [Costume] Society, Victoria and Albert Museum. I am looking for a specific article in one of the volumes. If so, could I get a photocopy or a scan, and perhaps a review to see if having such a journal in my possession would be worth it, if that's at all possible? Thanks, Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 00:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM5tX7v022342 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM5sxSs006988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM5svDu098567; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM5srln098410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM7VqBN010346 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:31:52 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:58:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512220058.27812.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 21 December 2005 6:21 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello. > First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all > the best of a happy new year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too! > May the new year be prosperous and lucky for > all, and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. > I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille > embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the > finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, > and i need to make everything ready for christmas. > You can se it on my webpage here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Stunning, truly stunning, Bjarne. I envy your talent. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 01:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM6rg9j023175 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM6rAo9011250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM6r7lG024399; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM6r4ZR024374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-80.sonic.net [209.148.113.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM6r07E021166 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <43AA4D54.1060802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:53:08 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A Periodical References: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Costume Society of Great Britain's website is: http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/ I've been a member for years. I think they are well worth a membership/journal subscription, but if not they at least used to sell single copies of back issues. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Kathy Page wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone out there happens to collect >the "The Journal of the Costume Society" published for >the [Costume] Society, Victoria and Albert Museum. I >am looking for a specific article in one of the >volumes. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 02:41:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM7fpZl032708 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:41:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM7fBF7014951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM7fAId046153; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBM7f4lc046036 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56022 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 07:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.212.61 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 07:40:58 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051222073937.01d99780@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:40:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A Periodical In-Reply-To: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:39 22/12/2005, you wrote: >Happy holidays to everyone on the list! > >I was wondering if anyone out there happens to collect >the "The Journal of the Costume Society" published for >the [Costume] Society, Victoria and Albert Museum. I >am looking for a specific article in one of the >volumes. If so, could I get a photocopy or a scan, and >perhaps a review to see if having such a journal in my >possession would be worth it, if that's at all >possible? Kathy If you mail me off list I will see if I have the copy you want - I have about 30, in a run, and a few odd ones. 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Status: RO >From Cole's Encyclopedia of Dry Goods: "The first machine-made embroidery shipped to the United States was in the year 1853. The goods were consigned to a New York house by S. Hamel, of Hamburg, Germany,, who is directly responsible for the adoption in this country of the name "Hamburgs" as a descriptive term for Swiss embroidery. It is said he called them by this name in order to make the business world believe it was in Hamburg the goods were manufactured." - Cole, George S. _Cole's Encyclopedia of Dry Goods_. New York: Root Newspaper Association, 1900. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 Does anyone know exactly what Hamburg embroidery (edging, insertion) was? I know the basic dictionary "a kind of embroidered work done by machinery on cambric or muslin" but I'm trying to find out what distinguishes it from "Swiss embroidery," "fine embroidery" or simply "embroidery" - when describing cotton embroidered trims and mentioned in 1880s-1900 catalogs and books. What makes it different?? thanks, Melissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 00:01:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN51i4U009589 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:01:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN51ZZm022568; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBN2JQpU043932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBN2JISV084187; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50214.mail.yahoo.com (web50214.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBN2JGmh084120 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95098 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2005 02:19:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=clhaBHWGQhNgQ/iFug4YMI0XluAOHSCqgGAr/p73wiQ8BXRPMsZolsJ9fqgCKzIaQrdGDvtWtZMKYc8La48t8uizKmKiUwtIHr7JBHlUWBHx4niKjBo2Zw50k1S9guJVEE5Ju81KVt8USUwZl7Fx8/k4FQHHFCP33GjstnbWU+I= ; Message-ID: <20051223021911.95096.qmail@web50214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.40.23.112] by web50214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:19:11 PST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 1880s Hamburg edging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AB84B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, Does anyone know exactly what Hamburg embroidery (edging, insertion) was? I know the basic dictionary "a kind of embroidered work done by machinery on cambric or muslin" but I'm trying to find out what distinguishes it from "Swiss embroidery," "fine embroidery" or simply "embroidery" - when describing cotton embroidered trims and mentioned in 1880s-1900 catalogs and books. What makes it different?? thanks, Melissa --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Status: RO It's absolutely gorgeous. I can't believe you have the patience. I'm working on an 18th century coat (embroidered) -not for anybody, just for fun - and have been at it for about five years now because I keep getting bored with it and stopping for months at a time. 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Status: RO Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. Where they made of linnen? And in what colours? I get the idea that white was the most common colour. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 06:27:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNBQxnn006890 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:27:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNBQo8a025781; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:26:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNBQK58002596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNBQG2B047290; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:26:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNBQDxB047254 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97EA836152 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:26:12 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] gamberson question Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:26:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051223090219.2E5E3319109@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:26:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ABDEFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A gambeson is padding worn under the armour. Linen and wool were used, usually in the medium to heavy weight. If you are a part of the Society for Creative Anachronism, authenticity is encouraged but not manditory when it comes to garment fiber content. Try to go for the linen as it breaths better then cotton. As for colours I do not know. There are several sites online on how to make them. This one shows a white http://www.charlesfleming-sca.com/military/gambeson.htm http://www.liebaart.org/wambui_e.htm (?) http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/tillverkningstips/gambeson.htm Commercial Pattern http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp101.htm De -----Original Message----- Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. Where they made of linnen? And in what colours? I get the idea that white was the most common colour. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 09:21:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNELRWZ030442 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:21:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNELJO5014879; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNEHHAT015912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNEHD3E029360; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNEHAiA029278 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB0ABE8E8 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:17:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:17:05 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] gamberson question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051223141703.2DB0ABE8E8@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:21:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AC07DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks! That is very interesting. I am probaly going to use the period pattern since I have it. It is for a 15th century gambeson. And the person wil only wear a fiew armour parts. He wants it as korrect as possible. But likes it to have a colour. The only colour I have ever seen is red. But I don't now if a normal soldier would wear it in red. For filling I am thinking of using loose sheep wool or cotton batting used for making quilts. Just sew over the cloth with batting between it is much faster but would that be right? He doesn't want a very thick gambeson because he will also use the costume in play's and it will get hot under the stage lights. otsisto wrote: >A gambeson is padding worn under the armour. Linen and wool were used, >usually in the medium to heavy weight. If you are a part of the Society for >Creative Anachronism, authenticity is encouraged but not manditory when it >comes to garment fiber content. Try to go for the linen as it breaths better >then cotton. As for colours I do not know. >There are several sites online on how to make them. >This one shows a white >http://www.charlesfleming-sca.com/military/gambeson.htm >http://www.liebaart.org/wambui_e.htm > >(?) >http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/tillverkningstips/gambeson.htm > >Commercial Pattern >http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp101.htm > >De >-----Original Message----- >Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. >Where they made of linnen? >And in what colours? >I get the idea that white was the most common colour. > >Greetings, > Deredere > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 10:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFZfbf001604 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:35:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFZWBh008600; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNFWEIe022198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFW84P072083; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFW4bO071896 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20051223153146014008lmfne>; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:46 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] gamberson question Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:45 +0000 Message-Id: <122320051531.3057.43AC18610000CD8B00000BF122092246270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Caitriona Boone X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AC1944.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm not sure what colors would be used, but the wealthy folks (in period) who had armor might (and this is just conjecture) use their heraldic colors, maybe? Maybe some good places to look would be the paintings and illuminations with Italian City-State wars (or whatever those might be called). Maybe the painting sourses that have pavilions in them? I have a vague recollection of seeing paintings with gorgeous pavilions (french bells?) with men in various stages of armoring and fighting? My memory is very sketchy, so I welcome corrections! I have a few (ok, a *lot* of) construction tips that I found to be helpful when I made a gambeson for a fellow a few years ago. Try and use upholstry cotton for the batting. I found it to be thicker and it washed up pretty darn firm. I also found that once I determined each pattern piece of the gambeson, (front body, back body, upper arm, lower arm, skirt) I would draw each pieces' cutting line onto the lining fabric, leaving at least *2* inches of fabric space in between *each piece* all the way around. You should use non wash out marker that will not wash out (sharpie? I actually used a pencil, with a soft lead so it left a rather noticeable line and it didn't wash out) . And being on 'true grain' isn't really critical, as long as you are 'close enough'. You'll see why as you read further. Cut out each pattern piece at least *2* inches away from the pattern actual cutting line. Take the cut out lining pieces and lay on the outer fabric *wrong sides together*, and cut out the outer fabric using the actual cut edge of the pieces to cut around (same rules for grain alignment as lining). Lay the cut out pieces of *outer* gambeson fabric pieces, wrong side down, on the batting and cut. There is no actual 'grain' for batting, so lay out so as to not make any cabbage (waste); you can even piece the batting, too! Sandwich the outer fabric (wrong side to batting), batting and lining fabric (wrong side to batting). Quilt the each piece *individually*. Quilting each piece separately (front body sandwich, back body sandwich, arm pieces sandwiches) will make handling at the sewing machine a heck of a lot easier! I used a diamond (60 degree angle) quilting method because it would help with supporting the bias of the fabric, without actually reducing the any of the possible 'stretch' that activity would need. Zig Zag cut edges enclosing the batting. If you lay the pattern piece on the quilted pieces, you will notice that the pattern cutting line markings are just a tad to the inside of the pattern piece cutting line, because the quilting 'takes up' some of the materials. This is why one reason you need to mark the cutting lines on the lining. Do NOT assemble pieces yet!! Machine WASH AND DRY every separate piece (which is why you have the 2" all the way around and the cut edges are zig zagged to enclose the batting). The reason is so that each piece can be pre-shrunk without out the dreaded distortion that would pull adjoining pieces out of wack. This also *thickens* (fulls?) the batting so that it will be firmer, and more stable prior to the first wearing. This will also make the gambeson wash and wearable. Once the pieces are washed and dried, take the PAPER pattern pieces and lay on the OUTER fabric of each piece (make sure you flip the *paper* pattern piece if you have distinct right and left sides) on the outer side of each piece. Cut the quilted pieces around the *paper* pattern. Assemble the gambeson as desired, decorate and embellish as desired. Be sure to have several heavy duty sewing needles to hand. You might need to change them as they become dulled going through such heavy duty layers. I hope my tips will be helpful and reduce the difficulties of assembling a gameson that would shrink with the first washing! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > Thanks! > That is very interesting. > I am probaly going to use the period pattern since I have it. > > It is for a 15th century gambeson. > And the person wil only wear a fiew armour parts. > He wants it as korrect as possible. > But likes it to have a colour. > The only colour I have ever seen is red. > But I don't now if a normal soldier would wear it in red. > > For filling I am thinking of using loose sheep wool or cotton batting > used for making quilts. > Just sew over the cloth with batting between it is much faster but would > that be right? > He doesn't want a very thick gambeson because he will also use the > costume in play's and it will get hot under the stage lights. > > otsisto wrote: > > >A gambeson is padding worn under the armour. Linen and wool were used, > >usually in the medium to heavy weight. If you are a part of the Society for > >Creative Anachronism, authenticity is encouraged but not manditory when it > >comes to garment fiber content. Try to go for the linen as it breaths better > >then cotton. As for colours I do not know. > >There are several sites online on how to make them. > >This one shows a white > >http://www.charlesfleming-sca.com/military/gambeson.htm > >http://www.liebaart.org/wambui_e.htm > > > >(?) > >http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/tillverkningstips/gambeson.htm > > > >Commercial Pattern > >http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp101.htm > > > >De > >-----Original Message----- > >Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. > >Where they made of linnen? > >And in what colours? > >I get the idea that white was the most common colour. > > > >Greetings, > > Deredere > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 10:40:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFel3Y002227 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:40:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFedPI010628; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNFbm8X022661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFbkBY075842; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFbiAH075741 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:37:38 -0800 Message-ID: <43AC19DD.3040507@msn.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:38:05 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 15:37:39.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE356780:01C607D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Calling Susan Farmer of Knoxville Tn.. 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On 1/2 Jan. the music group will be playing in one of the old houses at the Weald and Downland Museum http://www.wealddown.co.uk/ Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 17:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNMVejN011612 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:31:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNMVWnL020451; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:31:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNMV5MH074711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNMV1Zh061899; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNMUvJj061855 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D9CDF36154 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:30:54 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] gambeson question Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:31:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051223141703.2DB0ABE8E8@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:31:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AC7AC4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Asked around. Though they had no docs. the outer layer was usually wool but sometimes linen or hemp (these last two where usually canvas like weight). They know for sure that the outer layer was in colors in later 1400s - onward. (story to this: The lord of the manor would buy in bulk the material so that most of those working for him would be wearing similar if not the same color) The inner lining is linen and it is commonly white/off white and a medium to heavy weight. The padding: Can be wool batting, a heavy weight wool or linen or if you want to take the time, hemp cording or rolled up linen pulled through the channels. This is for a corset but it's to give you a rough idea; http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/cording/cord.html If the padding doesn't matter to him then go for the cotton as it would make things easier for you with the sewing. This info is word of mouth and should be taken with a grain of salt for periodness A suggestion: You might want to make him a part of the sewing process and have him help with putting it together (especially if you go the hemp cord or rolled linen route). I find fighters appreciate the garment better and don't throw it down "any ol' place" nor let it rot in the bag for weeks on end without washing or even airing it out. De -----Original Message----- Thanks! That is very interesting. I am probaly going to use the period pattern since I have it. It is for a 15th century gambeson. And the person wil only wear a fiew armour parts. He wants it as korrect as possible. But likes it to have a colour. The only colour I have ever seen is red. But I don't now if a normal soldier would wear it in red. For filling I am thinking of using loose sheep wool or cotton batting used for making quilts. Just sew over the cloth with batting between it is much faster but would that be right? He doesn't want a very thick gambeson because he will also use the costume in play's and it will get hot under the stage lights. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 01:28:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBO6RxqX018046 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:27:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBO6RmmO015786; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:27:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBO6RLeN022065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBO6REHf073786; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBO6R8VV073696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eq2rd-0008Ae-7i; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:26:45 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:26:45 -0600 Message-ID: <20051224002645.0d5nb53547o8cwkw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:26:45 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting WickedFrau : > Anyone know Susan? Her secret Sanat gift is waiting for her at the > post office. I am unable to contact her via phone or email. > I'm here! I haven't seen a card from the Post Office, but will check it out in the morning. Thanks for letting me know. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 12:33:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOHXWC7027484 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOHXOI9019027; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOHWFNq078574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOHW8Nu035501; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOHW4iu035477 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EqDFP-0005vR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:31:59 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051224083640.02db9960@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:37:16 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200512231900.jBNJ040Y029474@net.indra.com> References: <200512231900.jBNJ040Y029474@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AD8664.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 15:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKfge6000675 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKfYYu006567; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOKf79r094784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOKf3aF026098; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOKf0JF026075 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.148] (pm5-148.eos.net [205.133.149.148]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBOKew1E007408 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:40:59 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:44 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512241900.jBOJ02bC073694@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADB27E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My husband has numerous gambesons/jacks/arming coats/whatever you want to call them. I am not a fan of the Period Patterns pattern, but it works and looks fine, and is a good place to start if you don't want to draft a pattern. My husband likes a much more fitted look, more like the Charles le Blois pourpoint, but the construction methods are similar: He draws the pieces he wants on the fabric, along with the quilting lines, and then cuts a generous (2 inches at least) around that. He quilts on the machine, using regular polyester quilt batting. This causes the pieces to shrink a bit, which is why you need all the extra fabric. He does not bother washing any of the pieces after quilting, but assembles and finishes them. As far as fabric goes, he has used all sorts, but usually uses cotton Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). He wants to make one that's brocade on the outside, and he has the fabric, but he hasn't gotten around to making it yet. The last one he made is quartered and painted in various heraldic charges -- very nice looking! I don't think your friend's plan to use this as a stage costume is a good idea. Gambesons get very dirty, and they often rip from repeated sword blows and (more likely) wear from armor. They are not beautiful garments for long, even if they start out that way! It is much better to wear a fine wool, brocade, or painted coat over the gambeson and armor. That takes a lot of wear, too, but it will not get as smelly or ripped, so it is worth more time, money, and effort. That has been our experience. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 15:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKruUM000862 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:53:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKrm00009852; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:53:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOKrXkG096233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOKrVnE031557; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBOKrSUN031477 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 5116 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 20:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 20:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c608cc$14780b80$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:53:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADB55C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Happy Chanukah to to everyone! and a very Merry New Year!!! angela+++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings > Happy Christmas to one and all! I'm signing off now as I shall be away > from my computer until 4th January. > On 1/2 Jan. the music group will be playing in one of the old houses at > the Weald and Downland Museum > http://www.wealddown.co.uk/ > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 16:40:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOLe37w003421 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:40:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOLdtss023674; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOLdaw3099955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOLdXiU050799; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOLdUtv050773 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:39:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:39:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.43] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512241900.jBOJ02bD073694@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:39:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2005 21:39:27.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[8397B5F0:01C608D2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADC02B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They require up to 30 layers of linen with a final layer of staghide. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 17:23:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOMNQ91005667 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:23:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOMNIRO003924; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:23:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOMMjf9004265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOMMgjc067335; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOMMe1o067320 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:22:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IS000CJZWTJK2I7@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:22:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:34:02 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:23:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADCA56.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wishing the best to one and all this holiday season. May the season be bright and the New Year be your best ever. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 18:02:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBON21g8007961 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:02:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBON1rYG014251; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:01:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBON1Nm2007371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBON1MdE082562; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51313.mail.yahoo.com (web51313.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBON1K4F082487 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73423 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2005 23:01:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xkd9aP5B+bx363i3+2+CHW5BMDI5YR6bYXVvCW2zFtP7agLaFu3taSLkvEbpHJt0BFai8pV340lh+7k3aV8Xn99Cy4Gfy5H9p7yMEDuhPayrMQvFX/ZY2qGN+yJhMOLStxx+sW79a+mcuOPsrQE5iQFFcIFMJkMLs2Za4I2HzPM= ; Message-ID: <20051224230114.73421.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51313.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:01:14 PST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:01:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADD361.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They > require up to 30 layers > of linen with a final layer of staghide. > > Marc Gosh, Marc, you come up with some of the most interesting sources. Thank you. And hopefully any source containing the ordinances will have footnotes & lead to more interesting sources. Ann in CT __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 18:29:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBONTw34009253 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBONToVO021386; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBONTRSv009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBONTOcG093172; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBONTNwC093163 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so920668nzn for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JKmdqG1YAIFhrzvH8C5/bJkiWOVWR2Sfo5ozs5I/RXvdAae4Yllw2tVsWIclwXMIGzEVmnGg4v13t6X87X5wYUdfxyG+7kyYyebhKvZ3W57s5QQ2UKCZCYUsbLAfR10JbBkHkob8hN/JUur+km4GZvRE5G+TAUOTLgGOUQBMFhs= Received: by 10.65.137.4 with SMTP id p4mr1277582qbn; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBONTNwC093163 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mysterious gift giver on Ringland Rd in Raleigh, NC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADD9EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Pardon me for using so public a medium to thank my gift exchange partner. I do not actually know the giver's name. I've received a lovely beaded purse that cannot possibly have been purchased for less than the $10 target. Wow! I'm thrilled and will happily add it to my very small collection of vintage bead and chain purses & reticules. Thanks so much, Dear Sir or Madame! I hope you'll choose to reveal yourself. Best Holiday Wishes to all h-costumers and may all your costumes be goregous! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 20:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1bBbr015237 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1b3gl026327; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP1agTu021666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1afiW042876; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1acji042854 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:36:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 01:36:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:36:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2005 01:36:38.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[A63B5820:01C608F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADF7BF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That'd be quite the garment...even with very fine linen! Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question > You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They require up to 30 layers > of linen with a final layer of staghide. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 20:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1bB9b015238 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1b3mM021300; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP1aLWQ021614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1ZeI1042501; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav6.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1ZbNj042485 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:35:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:35:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 01:35:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:35:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2005 01:35:37.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[818C0470:01C608F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADF7BF.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > call them. I am not a fan of the Period Patterns pattern, but it works and > looks fine, and is a good place to start if you don't want to draft a > pattern. My husband likes a much more fitted look, more like the Charles > le > Blois pourpoint, but the construction methods are similar: I too find the Period Pattern difficult to work with because of it's shape. The armhole is a little on the large and modern side. That and I had to take in a really large wadge of fabric at the back waist level to get it to hang correctly on my spouse...about a 15cm pinch. I haven't found a comercial pattern yet, that I'm happy with for this garment, but will keep looking. If using this pattern, make a mock up first, just in case.;-> > Gambesons get very dirty, and they often rip from repeated sword blows > and (more likely) wear from armor. They are not beautiful garments for > long, > even if they start out that way! The gambeson should be washable, to protect the wearer from any nasty fungi that grow on his armour. Pierre's is made of linen with a cotton wadding interlining, and is machine washable, hang to dry...which is a good thing as he soaks through it every fight practice. He has also taken to wearing the new underarmour, under the gambeson, but still washes his gambeson after every fight practice. ( I say this, because a friend almost lost his arm to a rather nasty infection due to unclean armour...it doesn't take much.) His has become rust stained in places, but that adds to the look, not detracts. As for it holding up...it's now over two years old and still going strong. It was hand quilted and seams were machine sewn, with the inside armscye hand finished...that's the only place that has needed a touch up. Get a good, tightly woven fabric and you should be fine...just read in Juan d'Alcega's book that quilters often take up three finger widths when quilting up...good rule of thumb, pardon the pun. Cut an extra seam allowance when quilting. Hopefully I make sense, I have a nasty migraine...UG! Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 20:48:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1mZSl016149 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:48:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1mRIr023849; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:48:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP1m5w7022381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:48:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1m0c8046843; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1lvSn046820 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7309633A16 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:47:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:48:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:48:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADFA6B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber content and get everything but the material. De -----Original Message----- but usually uses cotton Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 22:57:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP3v0mF022494 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:57:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP3uqC3023879; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP3tqIG033358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP3tlg8093178; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBP3ti9E093151 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 19:55:44 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24085, pid: 24093, t: 0.9405s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 19:55:43 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051224195403.02354318@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:55:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AE1884.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:48 PM 12/24/2005, you wrote: >For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed >that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." >This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. >Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber >content and get everything but the material. >De > >-----Original Message----- >but usually uses cotton >Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). > >Gail Finke "Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 23:06:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP46DW8023225 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP465Fi026118; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP45RWM034353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP45N87097189; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP45MIR097174 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aviendiora@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so723517wxc for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NwJM18RG+uUF2eobAvMMMGLx91YdMHZaX+n12ZEvEgxZJm6gCp0NtZ5domk0C8wBcMltxtnFpurJN+0ZfT1p3Y+w3s7bApas9jApxhcZRi+y3ezVxiEUayDLBicr5hnpDH8nBTT5rlMUSykVwdzSpUyFACLAFB+TVR4c2y1+DTc= Received: by 10.70.21.18 with SMTP id 18mr4690935wxu; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.130.12 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 From: Avien To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AE1AAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBP46DW8023225 Status: RO Whenever I've seen it at my JoAnn's, trigger is 65% polyester/35% cotton and duck is 100% cotton. On 12/24/05, otsisto wrote: > > For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed > that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." > This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. > Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber > content and get everything but the material. > De > > -----Original Message----- > but usually uses cotton > Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 09:00:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPE0g7C016150 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:00:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPE0Xch003719; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:00:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBPDxmSN097852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:59:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPDxSqg018569; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPDxOww018544 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) Received: from elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.41]) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EqWPE-0001Ml-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: <9134499.1135519163992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:59:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:00:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AEA601.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Trigger started out as the proprietary name for a bottom weight poly cotton. It has gotten generalized in the same way as Klenex or Xerox. Wendy Colbert Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah -----Original Message----- >From: Joan Jurancich >Sent: Dec 24, 2005 10:55 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question >"Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any >fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 12:07:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPH7SGd019114 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:07:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPH7Kmk024364; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBPH5UiG013882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPH5CmD085771; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPGTvir072803 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=H9UbFOi67nBqWjxMUHePRldWujNWkWmlfDVUdwaFXBtBgAwhtSIDrlaIpPXq0Tyr; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.186] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EqYku-00014g-4w for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c60970$6f825f40$ba159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:29:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bb7b0965a1b767e675be66948cc773e7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.186 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another mysterious gift giver X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:07:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AED1C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO All I know about my partner is that the package originated in the Netherlands, so I'll just have to thank you here for the nice beads and pendants, and wish you all the best for the holidays. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 18:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPNReka024371 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:27:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPNRWar007740; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBPNQqwq047429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPNQhjc035707; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPNQeGc035682 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B2FE735FCA for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:26:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:26:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <9134499.1135519163992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:27:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AF2AE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. This explains much. I also remember being told that Trigger was better then Duck in keeping it's colors because it was Polyester (I guess they should have said mostly polyester) Thank you for the clarification. De -----Original Message----- Trigger started out as the proprietary name for a bottom weight poly cotton. It has gotten generalized in the same way as Klenex or Xerox. Wendy Colbert Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah -----Original Message----- >"Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any >fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 19:47:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQ0lXYU026162 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:47:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQ0lPh4028123; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQ0kxIk054954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQ0ku5g067828; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQ0kqHG067766 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2cd.a247da (17526) for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2cd.a247da.30e09773@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:46:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: gamby question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AF3D9D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ooh, finally a subject I could talk you into the ground on. I make between 50 and a hundred bits of assorted padding a year. First of all, depending on which bit of the 15th century you're talking about, it's so much more likely to be either a padded jack or an arming doublet than a gamby / acheton - gambesons really died out in the 14th century in favour of garments similar to the 'coat armour' (my term - nobody's yet agreed on a definitive name) of charles IV of france, which were worn over the armour. The doublet (pourpoint) of charles de blois is often referred to as a piece of padded armour, but it's now generally accepted by most to be a civilian doublet that's padded to give it the necessary shape, and toughness to maintain its corset-like grip on the abdomen of the wearer. At the end of the 14th century and start of the fifteenth, padding was all colours under the sun (green, red, blue and grey seem to have been the most popular - but yellows, oranges and assorted others can be seen in manuscript illustrations, and the coat armour of the black prince in canterbury cathedral has the royal arms on it in velvet). These were gradually all dropped in favour of white for jacks - although arming doublets were still in colours - usually reds, blacks and greys. There are numerous illustrations of later C15th jacks, most notably the st ursula triptych, by memling, which shows one straight quilted and one knotted (one of them also has arm chains, though I can't remember which offhand). jacks can be worn with no armour, or with partial armour (for full harness, you'd need an arming doublet, as the stresses are completely different). there are quite a few references to padding at this time (late 14th - late 15th) - including: mention of 'northern soldiers' arriving in london during the wars of the roses, wearing jacks padded with flax, and another that mentions them being padded with 'tow'. there's a sumptuary law, forbidding the jack makers from using 'rotten linen' (some unscrupulous non-guilded types methinks). there are references in the clothing accounts of the black prince to fustian and 'cotton wool' (i.e. raw cotton fibre) being some of the materials used. references from the french of rows of english archers in white (though it's not 100% clear whether this refers to a white english livery, or a jack). a reference in the accounts of a polish count to the purchase of fustian, cotton and black velvet for the making of a padded coat - and chains to run down each quilted tube. records of a booming cotton industry in southern germany. entries in the records of the docks at plymouth receiving raw cotton in quantities that would fill containers today. records of padding all the way through the middle ages being soaked for weeks in assorted liquids to make it stronger / waterproof / more resistant to archery and swordblows (including oil, vinegar, wine, fish oil (they must have truly stunk to high heaven!!)). references to coverings of rich material or leathers (including deerhide, and deerhide soaked in various stuffs (as an aside, the chinese used rhinoceros)). obviously, the london guild was the company of tailors and linen armourers - thereby indicating that linen was the most frequently used material as to existing examples, I've already mentioned the two charles's padding, and the black prince's - there's also the rothwell jack, and the one in a collection at the met. (although they're now both believed to be 16th century - as are the fencing doublets in edinburgh and nurnburg). and of course, the lubeck and stendahl jacks, which are all mid 15th. the most interesting (because they're made for 'ordinary' people) are the lubeck jacks, which are made in fustian and cotton, and painted with some sort of black stuff (no one is sure what it is or why it's there, and it could have been added at any point in time - one can't be certain when). although the construction techniques and materials may have varied (silks and velvet outer layers for the rich, and fustian or flax for the poor, and different paddings - raw cotton, raw flax, tow, straw, raw wool, recycled ripped up cloth, layers of cloth (looseweave fustian or flax) - most of the existing garments I've mentioned, are made in exactly the same way, the only variation being the material of the outer layer. (I should reiterate that the lubeck / stendahl ones are soldiers jacks, not rich ones.) they're made up as two sandwiches - an outer one and a lining one, and using fustian with cotton padding. The inner layer is fustian, (raw) cotton, fustian, and the outer is fustian, (raw) cotton, fustian, and outer layer (either more fustian or something richer). The two sandwiches are made up as completely separate garments, each sandwich quilted through individually, using incredibly small stitches, and sewn together only around the edges when finishing them. I can't comment on patterns, as I use the old tailoring 'drawn on the cloth' technique, and cut everything from scratch based on measurements. now when making jacks I use either cotton quilt batting, and pre wash it all before cutting it (so much simpler than trying to cut it then wash), or woollen blanket type material (which would make a hand wash only jack). an average jack or gamby would have around four layers of wool, plus the outer and lining (I usually use linen or flax, again pre washed), or around 10 layers of quilt wadding (normal cotton soft and warm, as it comes on big rolls), made up in two 'sandwich' layers (won't go under the machine foot in one go). the cotton is far harder to stitch - the cotton's more dense - but gives the quilting a much better definition. I don't know if they're compatible with US machines, but I use schmetz needles in size 120 (the biggest) when making jacks. I also always hand backstitch in the sleeves using waxed flax thread (after I bent the needle carriage on my machine I do!). If you find the company of st george website (gerry embleton's group), you can download copies of their newsletter, the dragon, and I'm sure there's an article in one on how to make a jack. Also, if it has a front (or any other) opening, don't forget the port piece! Debs. PS some pics of padding are on my website at www.paddedarmour.com (the bit on the history of padding's not done yet (not enough hours in the day :o) ) PPS several european historians with an interest in this subject are currently trying to catalogue all surviving padding in the world. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 07:38:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQCcm0H003133 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:38:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQCceMo026127; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQCc6mg060473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:38:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQCZdfY076043; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f26.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQCZaX9076018 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:35:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:35:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.138.123.81] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512231900.jBNJ040Z029474@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:35:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 12:35:36.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEEEE990:01C60A18] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 1880s Hamburg edging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:38:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AFE450.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know if this will help at all, but these definitions are from The Dictionary of Needlework (1882): Hamburg Point - a lace made at Hamburg by Protestant French refugees, after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. The lace is now obsolete, but was a description of Drawn Work, like that described in Dresden Point. Dresden Point - [much historical info about Germany and lace removed here]... Dresden became celebrated during the last part of the seventeenth century and for the whole of the eighteenth not for a Pillow lace, but for a Drawn lace, an imitation of the Italian Punto Tirato, in which a piece of linen was converted into lace by some of its threads being drawn away, some retained to form a pattern, and others worked together to form square meshes. This Dresden Point was likewise embroidered with fine stitchery, and was largely bought by the wealthy during the time of its excellence. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 09:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQEwIHl006677 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:58:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQEwAbq001828; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:58:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQEvm5x093351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQEtMOF040215; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQEswaQ039984 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:54:53 -0800 Message-ID: <43B00460.6080004@msn.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:55:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 14:54:53.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[541B6C80:01C60A2C] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A place to put your Secret Santa pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:58:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B00502.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.PictureTrail.com/uid4238963 Okay....that is the URL...this is a trial account. If we like it, I'll pay for the first upgrade. Account: hcostume Password: indra2006. I have created two photo albums. One is a place to put a picture of your secret santa gift...the other is a place to put a picture and some information about yourself. I will be working on adding my stuff later today...gotta go out and try to buy a fake tree--blech...but that is what hubby wants! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 11:21:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQGL7pn010540 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:21:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQGKxPF027584; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQGJjBZ004354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQGJb80083983; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQFb2Fo061366 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:36:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43B00E3B.8040503@msn.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:37:31 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 15:36:56.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[33FE1550:01C60A32] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Basic Picture Trail Instructions: Was: A place to put your Secret Santa pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:21:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0186B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I guess I should have added this: From this url: http://www.PictureTrail.com/uid4238963 Click on Member Login up in the upper right hand corner of the screen username: hcostume password: indra2006 This will take you to the main member page To upload pictures: Click on Upload Pics Follow the basic instructions...especially on clicking only once on "Upload Pictures Now!" I have been successful in uploading from this page, but you can also download their Photo Editor and Uploader if you want. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 14:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQJK4rQ014372 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:20:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQJJtv2022619; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:19:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQJJVCA036356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQJJNge086520; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQJJ9iM086392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eqxru-00053x-NZ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:18:50 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:18:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20051226131850.a8h64ug3gcg0wcc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:18:50 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting WickedFrau : > > I have created two photo albums. One is a place to put a picture of > your secret santa gift...the other is a place to put a picture and > some information about yourself. I will be working on adding my > stuff later today...gotta go out and try to buy a fake > tree--blech...but that is what hubby wants! > We have an artificial tree -- I'm not crazy about it, but I don't spend the next month with a mondo case of bronchitis. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 00:42:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR5gFjw001702 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:42:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR5g76Z003150; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR5feEA098868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR5fbDK086119; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR5fWZ2086077 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2005 13:41:31 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:48:31 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:42:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0D42F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down. I've seen a child's dress at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it possible to make this for an adult? Last night I drafted up a bodice from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would it work in a brocade or should I use silk? Other images I like are: http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer Night's Dream Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period for when I might go to their events. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 01:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR635EQ002128 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:03:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR62vt5008242; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:02:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR62dr4000536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR62b9w094170; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBR62YSV094148 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8647 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 06:56:35 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:56:35 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:05:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1665.67.188.164.116.1135663516.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:05:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:03:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0D911.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for > extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look > grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me > to cool down. > I've seen a child's dress at > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it > possible to make this for an adult? Aylwen, The two dresses above are Italian, not Elizabethan. I am partial to Italians and if you can get away with it, either style would be lovely. > Last night I drafted up a bodice > from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton > brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would > it work in a brocade or should I use silk? You don't have to use silk, but do try to use all natural fibers. A fabric with even some polyester won't breathe as well. Even a thin wool will breathe better than a poly/cotton blend. I recommend all cotton for price and comfort. All linen would be slightly better because it "wicks" the sweat away from your body to keep it cool. And it is very sturdy. Silk would be lovely but if you plan to sweat a lot, silk may not be the best way to go. It can get sweat stains that may not come out. > Other images I like are: > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml > http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml > And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - > http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - The first one would get my vote! It is sexy and lovely at the same time. And it looks low cut enough to help you stay cool :~> Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 01:36:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR6aOAO002909 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:36:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR6aEoK016037; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR6ZsKh003026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR6Zq6l006477; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR6Zlve006440 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2005 14:35:46 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B0E269.6030405@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:42:49 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question References: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> <1665.67.188.164.116.1135663516.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1665.67.188.164.116.1135663516.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:36:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0E0DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ooops - yes, they are Italian Renaissance. Its a hot day here and I've just had lunch and am almost dozing in front of the computer - such a silly mistake! The brocade is essentially cotton, but the design is woven in polyester. My fabric budget is completely blown as I've got at least half a dozen men's Elizabethan outfits to make - my dress is from what I can scrounge from my cupboard! Thanks again, Aylwen Diana Habra wrote: >>I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for >>extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look >>grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me >>to cool down. >>I've seen a child's dress at >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it >>possible to make this for an adult? >> >> > >Aylwen, > >The two dresses above are Italian, not Elizabethan. I am partial to >Italians and if you can get away with it, either style would be lovely. > > > >>Last night I drafted up a bodice >>from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton >>brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would >>it work in a brocade or should I use silk? >> >> > >You don't have to use silk, but do try to use all natural fibers. A >fabric with even some polyester won't breathe as well. Even a thin wool >will breathe better than a poly/cotton blend. I recommend all cotton for >price and comfort. All linen would be slightly better because it "wicks" >the sweat away from your body to keep it cool. And it is very sturdy. >Silk would be lovely but if you plan to sweat a lot, silk may not be the >best way to go. It can get sweat stains that may not come out. > > > >>Other images I like are: >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml >>And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - >>http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - >> >> > >The first one would get my vote! It is sexy and lovely at the same time. >And it looks low cut enough to help you stay cool :~> > >Good luck! > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 03:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR839IP019552 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:03:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR831Jx004155; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:03:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR81v4b010187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR81rTm042544; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR81ofd042510 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC75F5D1CE for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS5004H6CYX3A@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:01:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:01:45 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gamby question In-reply-to: <2cd.a247da.30e09773@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B0F4E9.5070104@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <2cd.a247da.30e09773@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:03:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0F535.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where would I find documentation on this? Not questioning your statements - I'd like to know the sources for the information. I went to the site (http://paddedarmour.deborahloughcostumes.com/books.html), noted the four books mentioned; are those the sources for the information you reference below? Or are there others? I'm not interested in the padded armor - I'm interested in some of the other details. Roger Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >At the end of the 14th century and start of the fifteenth, padding was all >colours under the sun (green, red, blue and grey seem to have been the most >popular - but yellows, oranges and assorted others can be seen in manuscript >illustrations, and the coat armour of the black prince in canterbury cathedral has >the royal arms on it in velvet). > > snip >there are references in the clothing accounts of the black prince to fustian >and 'cotton wool' (i.e. raw cotton fibre) being some of the materials used. >references from the french of rows of english archers in white (though it's >not 100% clear whether this refers to a white english livery, or a jack). >a reference in the accounts of a polish count to the purchase of fustian, >cotton and black velvet for the making of a padded coat - and chains to run down >each quilted tube. >records of a booming cotton industry in southern germany. > > snip _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 03:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR85e34020215 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:05:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR85WVa004787; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:05:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR85ImA010591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR85HTo044130; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR85CeF044089 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 173A428575 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:05:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:05:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0F5CC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----Original Message----- <<<< I need the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down.>>>> * Low cut does not necessarily mean cooler. I've seen a child's dress at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it possible to make this for an adult? * These are Florentine. Here are more pictures. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html <<> *Silk is an insulator so for coolness the cotton/poly is better. 100% cotton or even better 100% linen would be my recommendation for the chemise. <<>> *This is French <<>>>> *Italian. The painting is just outside of SCA period but: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/portfolio.html These are working class garments and probably not something that would have been worn to a ball. Now a festive gathering, maybe. <<>>> *The are a few flaws in the design. It appears to have a section sewn into the skirt instead of a forepart. The bodice is a different color from the rest of the gown. Now you can make this and still wear it to an SCA event as in their bylaws it basically says an attempt at period garments, not full blown authentic recreations. This allows one to participate while working towards more "period" garments. (If that is the person joining's field of interest.) Recommend if you can afford it for future Elizabethan gowns http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm If you are interested in "Italian" perhaps something from Venice http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/TitianLaviniaC1560-65.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Coccina1571.jpg How this helps some. Good Luck and hope you have fun at the ball. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 09:01:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRE1eS5010880 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRE1WP6006776; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRE0wCX066935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRE0pcW094937; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBRE0m0W094899 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 26649 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 06:00:47 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26641, pid: 26642, t: 1.6593s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 06:00:45 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051227054516.02237758@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:00:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK autolearn=no version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1493C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:48 PM 12/26/2005, you wrote: >I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow >for extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet >look grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to >allow me to cool down. >I've seen a child's dress at >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it >possible to make this for an adult? Last night I drafted up a bodice >from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green >cotton-cum-polycotton brocade (from the curtain section of our local >Spotlight store). Would it work in a brocade or should I use silk? >Other images I like are: >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml >http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml >And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - >http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from >1575 - I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer >Night's Dream Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period >for when I might go to their events. > >Many thanks, Aylwen The two dresses from the 1540s are too early for "Elizabethan" (Elizabeth was on the throne from 1558 to 1603). The last sketch you showed is right in the middle of her reign, so it would be best. I would not recommend a partly synthetic blend for the gown if you are worried about heat; pure natural fibers are best; so silk would be better. And if at all possible use linen for your shift (it breathes better than cotton). And be certain that you get enough water (or fruit juice, but not wine or beer) and and eat light meals. If you are going to be out of doors for this dancing, you really should try to avoid the low-cut bodice unless you wear a partlet. The partlet will help reduce the direct sun exposure that would heat you up (though you can get a sunburn through a light layer of fabric), and it will help wick the sweat away, adding to your cooling. I've been doing Renaissance Faires in California for 25 years, so I am well versed in dealing with dry heat, often in the 90s F or even above. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 10:01:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRF1TPT011662 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:01:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRF1LiR022744; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:01:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRF0qam073322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRF0oKx028088; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRF0lj4027978 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.156.5e94ef3d (62952) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <156.5e94ef3d.30e2b115@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:00:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:01:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B15741.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Boy...we really like Italian don't we. [I must agree...I love it too] But I hate that last sketch. I hate purple...I hate the design, the way it's trimmed and why is the bodice a different color from the rest? As for the little girl's gown, they used to just dress the poor dears like adults so...go for it!. If you use silk, and I recommend it, be sure to make a linen chemise to go between you and the gown. Actually....do this whatever you make the gown out of. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 10:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRFfAhF012547 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:41:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRFf157000825; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRFeZpa078486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRFeIAR054277; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRFe5HZ054060 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:40:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:40:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:40:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 15:40:05.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEF24210:01C60AFB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:41:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1608D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Aylwen, To make a gown close to what you are asking for in regard to coolness in wearing, use natural fibres. Linen and cotton are best, silk is a warm fibre, so will keep you warm(think underwear for climbing Everest in the 19thC). Stay away from polyester at all costs, as it traps your natural body heat and moisture, not allowing your skin to breath. If for 'Costume' you could bone the bodice of the gown, and encorporate a hoop or bum roll within the skirts, this would mean fewer layers. I would still recommend a linen shift underneath the gown, as you will want a layer you can throw in the wash, that and linen is nice and cool next to your skin. Good luck Kelly/estela www.goldenoakinn.com "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: A & J Garden >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question >Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:48:31 +1100 > >I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for >extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look grand >for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool >down. >I've seen a child's dress at >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it >possible to make this for an adult? Last night I drafted up a bodice from >Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton brocade >(from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would it work in a >brocade or should I use silk? >Other images I like are: >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml >http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml >And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - >http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - >I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer Night's Dream >Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period for when I might go to >their events. > >Many thanks, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 12:31:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHVhfa014097 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:31:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHVXTm000923; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRHV6SE093905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHUvqI035895; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHUqnO035817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-224.sonic.net [209.148.113.224]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHUipG023836 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:30:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B17A75.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related gifts everyone got? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 12:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHt2eE014409 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:55:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHssV5007853; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRHsb4W097116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHsZLa052982; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHsSGI052859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBRHsNX2017993 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <53220.64.156.242.51.1135706061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B17FEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? Certainly - you start! My H-cost Secret Santa has not arrived yet, and I spent a cash gift on tea and tea toys. So nothing costume-related for me to talk about. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 12:57:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHv7gV014427 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:57:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHv076031339; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:57:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRHuVmH097459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHuVk0054483; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHuRFU054345 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.100.22cdf79b (17526) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:56:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <100.22cdf79b.30e2da43@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:56:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1806C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 12/27/2005 12:32:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related gifts everyone got? I'm ready! My husband gave me a paisley shawl in shades of brown, orange, and turquoise. I decided I "had" to go to G Street Fabrics (they extended their sale through Jan. 2) and buy some suitable wool for a period dress. Found a pretty good match--brown with hints of the orange. Sort of costume-related, I bought my husband a vintage Pendleton wool bathrobe on eBay. It looks new. I didn't want to get him the terry/velour style that everyone, even the expensive men's stores, seem to carry these days, so found this gem on eBay, and it was cheaper than many new ones! It is an ombre stripe in blues and greens, and is well-tailored--has a breast pocket in addition to the skirt pockets, and a faux buttoned cuff. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 13:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRIphCD015293 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRIpYMx025063; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRIov4H004322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRIopE3094687; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f29.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRIolm8094629 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:50:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:50:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 18:50:46.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[72BCCE00:01C60B16] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B18D36.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got Juan dálcega, Jean Hunnisett's medieval-1500, and a really good book on modern flat pattern drafting, I forget the Author sorry, and it's two flights up;-> A really good year for me! I never get books for christmas! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Lavolta Press >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts >Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:30:53 -0800 > >Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related >gifts everyone got? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 14:25:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJPUfr015794 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJPMLZ002917; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRJJYcJ008044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRJJX6x015750; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav18.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRDpLn5089830 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:51:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:51:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 13:51:19.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D8693C0:01C60AEC] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B19522.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Simplicity has several Renaissance patterns at local fabric stores. They are very similar to these and in adult sizes. Check there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question > ----Original Message----- > <<<< I need the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down.>>>> > > * Low cut does not necessarily mean cooler. > > I've seen a child's dress at > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it > possible to make this for an adult? > > * These are Florentine. Here are more pictures. > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html > > << from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton > brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would > it work in a brocade or should I use silk?>> > > *Silk is an insulator so for coolness the cotton/poly is better. 100% > cotton > or even better 100% linen would be my recommendation for the chemise. > > << http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml>>> > > *This is French > > > <<>>>> > > *Italian. The painting is just outside of SCA period but: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/portfolio.html > These are working class garments and probably not something that would > have > been worn to a ball. Now a festive gathering, maybe. > > << http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - > I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer Night's Dream > Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period for when I might go > to > their events. > > Many thanks, Aylwen>>>> > > *The are a few flaws in the design. It appears to have a section sewn into > the skirt instead of a forepart. The bodice is a different color from the > rest of the gown. Now you can make this and still wear it to an SCA event > as > in their bylaws it basically says an attempt at period garments, not full > blown authentic recreations. This allows one to participate while working > towards more "period" garments. (If that is the person joining's field of > interest.) > Recommend if you can afford it for future Elizabethan gowns > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > > If you are interested in "Italian" perhaps something from Venice > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/TitianLaviniaC1560-65.jpg > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Coccina1571.jpg > > How this helps some. Good Luck and hope you have fun at the ball. > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 14:43:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJhT5W016015 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:43:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJhL2U009346; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRJfqob010699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRJfnj7031791; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRJfjBv031692 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBRJfdDG027881 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:41:39 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2005 14:41:40 -0500 Message-Id: <4ks6db$1qcbmr0@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,297,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1959123808:sNHT31656200" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:41:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYLFpHNMxwHMv3HTUCuZSrR0uFPwwABrP0Q X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B19959.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got "Fashions of the Gilded Age" Vol 1 and 2 - just started to read the first one today :-) Also, a Barnes & Noble gift card that will most likely go to something costume related. Oh, and my secret Santa sent me lucet cords - just beautiful colors. I really have to learn how to do that for myself... ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > > > >Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > >costume-related gifts everyone got? > > > >Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 15:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRK47iA016315 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRK3v1r016105; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRK39Fb013357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRK32mu046937; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRK2vN8046878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-110.sonic.net [209.148.114.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRK2th2026525 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <43B19DFB.3@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:03:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> <53220.64.156.242.51.1135706061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <53220.64.156.242.51.1135706061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B19E2D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The best gift was from my husband--two bound annual volumes of _La Mode Illustree_, complete with all issues, pattern sheets, and color fashion plates, pristine, looking like they've never been opened before. My Secret Santa, Carolann Schmidt, gave me a couple of dozen like-new vintage Art Deco coat buttons, in several small sets. Other than that, I got a Christmas tree ornament of a woman in circa 1880 costume, except for a loose nylon skirt befitting its status as ornament rather than costume item. It's pretty, but you may have it if you like, since my husband and I never have a Christmas tree. And if you like I will wrap it in a modern medium red tussah-type silk scarf with black woven-in accents I also received--not my color combination. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > Certainly - you start! My H-cost Secret Santa has not arrived yet, >and I spent a cash gift on tea and tea toys. So nothing >costume-related for me to talk about. > > - > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 17:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMc52p018534 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:38:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMbvc5026672; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:38:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMbPgV032866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMbJfx057142; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMbGko057098 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 49481360A3 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:37:16 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:37:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:38:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C245.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes Simplicity has patterns that they have labeled Renaissance. IMHO, They work for when you need something in a hurry and just want something that sort of looks like 1500s gowns. If you know how to remove darts you can improve upon some of the patterns. With the exception of the kirtle and sideless they produced and silly them discontinued, you have to alter their patterns to make them more "period" in construction. (Only talking about their "Medieval" and "Renaissance" patterns) De -----Original Message----- Becky wrote: Simplicity has several Renaissance patterns at local fabric stores. They are very similar to these and in adult sizes. Check there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 17:48:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMmd2e018673 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMmVqj029284; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:48:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMm1DL034470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMlwXb064519; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+1NLn1U0t85T93bGbBWfMYm1/HjcFkE0E@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMlqwc064446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBRMlu5w017542 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:56 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jBRMlucr017540 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:56 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: <20051227224756.GA17448@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:48:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C4BF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got quite a bit of costume related stuff this year. 1. A set of 3 knit-in-the-round things I'm probably going to use for kumihimo looms. I can knit in the round faster than I can move yarn from one bump to another. 2. Ramdom fabric remnants. These aren't all useful for costuming because they have a lot of polyester in them, but are great for bag making. 3. A lighted seam ripper, you can never have too many seam rippers! 4. A package of Schmertz needles and finally, my favorite... 5. A knitting machine. It's inexpensive, but it's very cool for doing rows and rows of stockinette stitch! The next most popular category of present was "kitchen stuff" for me. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:00:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN0gZH018863 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:00:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN0Y3o032519; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:00:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMo79E034778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMo6e7065949; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMo3Ej065832 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS600LU4I39QGV6@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.35] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.218]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:49:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:49:57 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C792.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I must send an appology to my Secret Santa, due to working in a Dept Store these past few weeks, I sent out my box a few days after the deadline. All I'm telling is it was sent from NJ to CA. As for recieving a box - not yet,,, but I like surprises. On the Homefront - my hubby made me a Yarn Swift* (Mark 2), he disassembled the first one he made and tried to make another one - however he ran out of materials so I have to wait to use it till sometime Mid-January. Katheryne * a Yarn Swift is a piece of equipment for people who spin their own yarn, it helps turn a ball of yarn into a neat-and-tidy skein From: Lavolta Press My Secret Santa, Carolann Schmidt, gave me a couple of dozen like-new vintage Art Deco coat buttons, in several small sets. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:03:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN2vVs018896 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN2ntS000638; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMvVc9035515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMvTqR070441; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMvPDu070314 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2005 06:57:17 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B1C875.4050401@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:04:21 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C819.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a different brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean Hunnisett - I have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days of wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from Jean's book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with that, and a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be using a bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see if that works or make another. I already have a very natural bum/hip/roll! I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from experience that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked cotton blouse makes me overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick sleeves so will have to think about the style there. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN3GmX018901 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN395P019026; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRN2Yaj036031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRN2YqG073523; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRN2UOF073475 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:02:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EA72EF0 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20051227224756.GA17448@toysmakeuspowerful.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYLN69fC+O1NBRSSXK7FK6CVO/aSgAAax7Q Message-Id: <20051227230228.129EA72EF0@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C82D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got a Kromski harp table loom (24") so I can try my hand at simple weaving, and some knitting related stuff. A book on pattern draping. A very nice shawl from Myanmar. And a very fancy waffle iron (gotta eat, after all). -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNMfWe019230 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNMXRk005729; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNGvcM037856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNGqwG083170; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBRNGmHA083081 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5DU36ASSKD52 for (sender ); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LC9W5DZF; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:15:14 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:03:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Message-ID: <20051227.170343.-7461117.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,10-40 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:550819543 X-MAIL-INFO: 05ef370737bbbe13bbbef7afbef77a2b1b028fd3bf3e023b2fdbbfba3b63834e3b5a3f4bef5befcf2af733beefaf X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7+jETlkvpZKU69hxCf9atyDpYs8ZYe6sOw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1CCB9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm not sure if it will work with your design, but it was relatively common to put a light silk organza-type sleeve over an embroidered (blackworked) chemise. Karen Seamstrix On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:04:21 +1100 A & J Garden writes: > Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've > > decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a > different > brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean > Hunnisett - > I have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days > of > wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from > Jean's > book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with > that, > and a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be > using a > bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see > if > that works or make another. I already have a very natural > bum/hip/roll! > I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from > experience that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked > cotton > blouse makes me overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick > sleeves > so will have to think about the style there. > Many thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:34:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNYIZ8019377 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNYAx5008657; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNXpZQ039964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNXmVJ093634; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNXiip093548 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26232 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:01:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:01:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1CF72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Few people dare to get me costume-related gifts because I don't need fabrics/trims/patterns (I have a huge stash and extremely particular needs, plus I sew relatively few things these days). And I buy my research-related materials outright so I can deduct them on my taxes. So nearly all my holiday gifts were very routine (pleasure reading, cologne, etc.). The exception was my h-cost Secret Santa gift. I was delighted to find I was assigned to Jonnalyhn Hall, with whom I've already had a correspondence and who happened to buy some wool from me a while back, which ended up being part of her wedding costume. So for my gift she made me a handsewn pouch from a scrap of that wool, with a drawstring that I believe is hand-twisted from wool yarn. Inside the pouch were two lovely strands of gemstones (one malachite, one lapis) that I can use for my other hobby/business (jewelry-making). All in a little tin that stared at me evilly while I decided whether to open it early ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNqHVg019585 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:52:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNq9sO012856; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:52:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNkZuB041468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNkWKt001778; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNkTs5001698 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:46:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:46:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:46:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 23:46:25.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[C00EFA10:01C60B3F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:52:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D3AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm new to costumes or Renaissance clothing so it works for me. I can make just about anything I want to from a picture or sketch. I make my own patterns and styles from other sources. I use the patterns for the basis or beginning foundations of any design. I seldom make one without altering it to the situation. I don't do many message boards... what is IMHO? ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question > Yes Simplicity has patterns that they have labeled Renaissance. > IMHO, They work for when you need something in a hurry and just want > something that sort of looks like 1500s gowns. > If you know how to remove darts you can improve upon some of the patterns. > With the exception of the kirtle and sideless they produced and silly them > discontinued, you have to alter their patterns to make them more "period" > in > construction. (Only talking about their "Medieval" and "Renaissance" > patterns) > > De > > > -----Original Message----- > Becky wrote: > Simplicity has several Renaissance patterns at local fabric stores. They > are > very similar to these and in adult sizes. Check there. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:58:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNwZZe019678 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:58:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNwRaJ014173; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNuqX3042874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNumx8007911; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNujAB007827 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DFE8936166 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:56:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43B1C875.4050401@earthlydelights.com.au> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D523.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here is an exception to cotton, cotton velveteen (from my experience) is a warm material like corduroy (which is usually cotton). A handkerchief weight linen would be great for the partlet. The purple dress sleeves looks "Frenchish" in style. I think it is trying to be like this: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg You might want to pink or slash the sleeves for ventilation like this http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady47.jpg or http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg ("Italian") De -----Original Message----- Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a different brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean Hunnisett - I have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days of wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from Jean's book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with that, and a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be using a bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see if that works or make another. I already have a very natural bum/hip/roll! I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from experience that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked cotton blouse makes me overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick sleeves so will have to think about the style there. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS05wHO019798 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS05oEx016304; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS05T5O043921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS05PK2012837; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:05:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS05LT2012768 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.214.10660187 (4418) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <214.10660187.30e330b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D6DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 12/27/2005 5:48:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com writes: 3. A lighted seam ripper, you can never have too many seam rippers! Ohhhh, I've never seen a LIGHTED one! How cool is that! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:10:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0AJA2019840 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:10:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0ABvr017404; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:10:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS08dR2044179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS08cBD014499; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS08ab5014414 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.99.6d4bd311 (4418) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:08:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <99.6d4bd311.30e33172@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:08:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D7E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And I guess I need to say what my Secret Santa sent me, as I said I liked to play with trims--a very nice length of knitted lace, some olive green velvet ribbon, and a sheer trim with pink/olive flowers, all wound around a very nice European chocolate bar! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:17:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0HUiv019921 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:17:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0HNJl019514; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS0H5sE045025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS0H1C2019199; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBS0Gvau019159 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 25341 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 16:16:57 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25331, pid: 25332, t: 0.9977s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 16:16:56 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051227161544.022375b0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Abbreviation, was Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D993.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 03:46 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote: >I'm new to costumes or Renaissance clothing so it works for me. I >can make just about anything I want to from a picture or sketch. I >make my own patterns and styles from other sources. I use the >patterns for the basis or beginning foundations of any design. I >seldom make one without altering it to the situation. >I don't do many message boards... what is IMHO? >[snip] IMHO = In My Humble Opinion Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:58:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0wms1020469 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:58:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0we1w029248; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS0w0rE049205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS0vu7o039732; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS0vsv1039711 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so1171388wra for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Dh7bpBqS45ZerFTgXrfstL+JDRWzoEvBC3aLJIYX97gD5Qw4N0arx0Rw3AI4CYfd9Mim1rwPVBPlpp47S0KkU0cOiWmOPwnBsxbexxoEcjRBUgXsNByr5kX5581k0i4WJujWZ0HyA9HAx/B3/CW1G0+SxBSv0NPQuU5Yjbt32As= Received: by 10.65.228.18 with SMTP id f18mr1683914qbr; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:53 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBS0vsv1039711 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Elizabethan Gown question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:58:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E340.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for >extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look >grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me >to cool down. My favorite activity, too! I do alot of vintage (15th c - early 20th c) dance. All those who said "natural fabrics" are right. There is no other solution. Besides they look & feel wonderful. My Elizabethan, like your design, is open necked and I highly recommend it. I saw someone else write suggesting "false bummes". If you do one, fill it in COTTON batting or you will be horriblly damp where the roll rests. Do not use poly fiberfill even if you think it's lighter & wil be cooler. T'wont! If you can handle a drum fartingale, wow, this is the ticket. My 1600 dress was designed for a muggy August ball. Light & cool, amazing to dance in. Most people prefer the earlier, Spanish style conical farthingales. Headgear is your next ticket to cool dancewear. If you sport enough hair pile it high and cover with the lightest silk organdy veiling. It can be like a ruff, it could be on a jeweled band. Sadly, I'm forced to wear a wig. This is the warmest thing in my dance wardrobe. >I've seen a child's dress at >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to If you've got "Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" you'll know that QEI was fond of and vastly interested in gowns from many other countries, particularly France & Italy. If you like Florentine 16th c, get out your copy of "Stylo di Eleanora". There's contemporary pics and an extant 1560s gown worth copying. Also, in the interest of dancers & dancewear, there are cute embroidered linen drawers for women. No sticky legs! >... Last night I drafted up a bodice >from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton >brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would >it work in a brocade or should I use silk? Silk is a fiber, brocade a weave, so by all means use both. Actually, I wouldnt recommend any other fiber. Let's talk weaves. Taffeta is nice, it's lovely & crisp tho' QEI's contemporaries called it "sarceonet". Damasks are also lightweight when done in silk. Brocatelle will give you a bit of glimmer. Finally, what's Elizabethan without gobs of jewelry? Unfortunately for most dancers, it's a bouncing, clanking, dress-snagging, strand-of-beads-breaking-on-the-floor hazzard. Plan accordingly! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:24:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OdW0020799 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OVtN002410; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1MlsQ051548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1Mih4052526; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1MeeD052494 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C4DA34F87 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:22:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:23:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E94F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In My Honest Opinion. :) -----Original Message----- I don't do many message boards... what is IMHO? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OeXK020800 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OW2G029878; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1MsOY051578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1Msfp052623; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1Mota052599 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A149534F98 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:22:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:23:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E950.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah. I thought you were wanting the melons on a platter low cut. basically you want the average neckline, not a high collar neckline. Okay, I understand now. :) De ----Original Message----- <<<< I need the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down.>>>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:25:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1PUWt020811 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1PNWL002859; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1OC2P051682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1OCdi053182; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1O8FH053156 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74DC634F8D for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:24:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Abbreviation, was Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:24:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051227161544.022375b0@surewest.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E983.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And that too. :) -----Original Message----- IMHO = In My Humble Opinion Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:42:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1g6B7020964 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1fwie007000; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1fdLV053654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1faL5062083; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1fRdx062012 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-68-46-87.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.68.46.87]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C0B32C016 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:41:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:41:01 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1ED66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My costume-related gifts included several books, a lovely selection of ribbons and braids from my h-costume secret Santa, Ann Wass, and sock-knitting pattern software. I'm anxious to see how it interprets original mid-19th century patterns. :-) Carolann Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:06:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS26rcA021216 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:06:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS26jE3013772; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS26Itl056315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS26FNr074456; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS267Cs074398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-10-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.10]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jBS263uD023273 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:06:06 +1100 Message-ID: <002c01c60b53$434cb710$0ad6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B1C875.4050401@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:06:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:06:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1F335.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question > Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've > decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a different > brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean Hunnisett - I > have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days of > wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from Jean's > book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with that, and > a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be using a > bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see if > that works or make another. I already have a very natural bum/hip/roll! > I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from experience > that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked cotton blouse makes me > overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick sleeves so will have to > think about the style there. > Many thanks, Aylwen I'd say the poly/cotton brocade would create about the same heat as the cotton velveteen, but I'm aware of the difficulty of obtaining 100% cotton brocades (I've never seen a 100% cotton fabric with a period motif in any of the fabric shops around here and I've heard it's much the same elsewhere in Australia too) For cool sleeves there's always the ever popular Helena Snakeborg portrait that is so heavily copied by costumers http://tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg in which the sleeves appear to be made of the same fabric as the partlet. Much the same style can be seen in thse portraits of Queen Elizabeth http://tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth22.jpg (the famous Pelican portrait of 1575) http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Elizamin01.jpg (a miniature of 1572) http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza40.jpg (in which the sheer oversleeves are just visible) I'm not sure what you'd do about the embroidery but it would certainly be cool. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:32:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2Wg2a021488 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2WY7h019580; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2W7iY058801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2W5rX087138; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2Vpob087005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS49Lcg002531 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:09:22 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:35:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512272135.56398.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1F942.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 27 December 2005 8:41 pm, Carolann Schmitt wrote: > My costume-related gifts included several books, a lovely selection of > ribbons and braids from my h-costume secret Santa, Ann Wass, and > sock-knitting pattern software. I'm anxious to see how it interprets > original mid-19th century patterns. :-) Very nice. I got lucky this year too. I got copies of the following books: "Chinese Textiles," by Verity Wilson. "Nineteenth Century Fashion in Detail" (which has been discussed on this list) "A Perfect Red," by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used in textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) "Mauve," by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular dye) "Living Colors," which purports to be a manual of historically-used color palettes but is mostly good for its anecdotal details. In addition, my sister-in-law, who is working near Beijing as an art teacher, gave me a genuine pair of embroidered lotus shoes, a pair of embroidered antique Chinese baby shoes, and two embroidered pieces that I plan to have framed. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2Z4Cu021515 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:35:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2YuoP020007; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2YUfw059051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2YVte088319; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2YSmX088290 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBS2YPKI009180 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:25 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.70.157] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-70-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.157]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2c9sR014877 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:33:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1F9D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I didn't really get any costume-related holiday gifts. I got a lovely little 1906 how-to book on book binding, including how to make all those period-pattern marbleized papers. I'm also getting new glasses, which I'm having put into frames that are much more period-looking than the ones I have now. But nothing any more costume-related than that. I got a mysterious envelope with many cancelled stamps, for my collection, and two skeins of really interesting thread suitable for either doll hair or for making small crochet pouches with. Was that the secret Santa gift to me? I did finally get the Secret Santa gift I owed mailed today, to someone in Erie, PA, who says she likes non-usual SCA costumes. I hope she doesn't have anything like this... CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:38:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2cAVi021546 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2c2Y9020740; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2bZnU059341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2bYId089784; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2bUVb089742 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27596 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:05:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:05:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts In-Reply-To: <200512272135.56398.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1FA8A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > "A Perfect Red," by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used in > textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) > "Mauve," by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular dye) I heard an interview with the author of "Mauve" on NPR when the book first came out -- it sounded fascinating. I hadn't heard of the Red book; let us know how these are! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 22:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3nfv4022318 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3nV0P003606; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS3n065067017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3muXZ023744; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3mrJs023717 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id B1790138543; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.98.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.98]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D58813851D for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> <435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:48:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gift exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B20B4B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn, Could you give me the email address of my Secret Santa gift recipient? I just got an email from the vendor I bought the gift from, saying that Australian customs had refused to pass it through (though according to their rules, it should have passed). I'd like to email my recipient to see if the two of us can figure out how to get her the gift! My recipient's name is Sharon Nevin. Thanks, and sorry to bother you with this--it seemed better to do it off-list. Hope I was right. =} E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 22:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3tFBv022378 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:55:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3sx6V004924; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS3saEj067581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3sXYg026303; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3sTWX026235 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B433CEF1 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:54:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43B20C6C.70507@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:54:20 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gift exchange References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> <435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B20C93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO E House wrote: I'd like to email my recipient to > see if the two of us can figure out how to get her the gift! > Argh! Sorry to hear about the problem. Hope you can get it resolved quickly. sharon.nevin@gmail.com Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 23:31:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4Vae5022962 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:31:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4VQK8014453; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4V493071163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4V1QI043201; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4UvBM043168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.126] (pool180-126.patriot.net [209.249.180.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBS4UpTK024110 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:31:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2151E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 23:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4jOja023076 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:45:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4jGF0018062; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:45:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4ihsn072667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4ifM9049803; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBS4ibAb049705 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5EF9VAQM7X4J for (sender ); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDAHWBMR; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:43:25 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:29:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Message-ID: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,9-10,15-20,22-34,35-32767 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 8:4:684952859 X-MAIL-INFO: 38250dcc0d55d5e555d519fcd519a8c9ddc87108b5f1c8c54800b51cc50c5d59c59c8c4d252c25acb1196cd525fc8db5488c6c21bdcc490001488dfc493c0141e195492999b9ecac00a5f8413d75059d35b8257539ed0569b928eda9355db995a9 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7+jETlkvpZKUar5rAstpUb9QpoNU29vZBw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2185C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not too many costuming presents from friends and family although my friend Jay got me a really cool reproduction of a Mesopotamian cylinder seal designed to be worn as a necklace. My Secret Santa was Jayne Thomas from England who sent me some lovely lengths of fabric- one in a silky, dusty purple/lavender and another in a gorgeous red damask- I think this one is silk. She also sent me pictures of her family and a lovely letter telling me all about herself. Thanks so much, Jayne! Everything got here in plenty of time! Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:48 -0500 Carol Kocian writes: > > Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) > Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful > blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal > design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 23:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4o0km023116 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:50:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4nqv6019161; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4nVEN073304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4nTxQ052071; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4nQ1P052033 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBS4nTEV012796 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:29 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.70.157] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-70-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.157]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4n86Q240680 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051227204848.03561b58@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:48:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ?Holiday/Secret Santa gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B21970.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I didn't really get any costume-related holiday gifts. I got a lovely little 1906 how-to book on book binding, including how to make all those period-pattern marbleized papers. I'm also getting new glasses, which I'm having put into frames that are much more period-looking than the ones I have now. But nothing any more costume-related than that. I got a mysterious envelope with many cancelled stamps, for my collection, and two skeins of really interesting thread suitable for either doll hair or for making small crochet pouches with. Was that the secret Santa gift to me? I did finally get the Secret Santa gift I owed mailed today, to someone in Erie, PA, who says she likes non-usual SCA costumes. I hope she doesn't have anything like this... CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 00:24:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5OuPh023503 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5OnSl030606; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS5O1xJ076083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5NxkQ067802; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from 227.148.127.216.safepages.com (227.148.127.216.safepages.com [216.127.148.227] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5NsRW067743 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by 227.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 0C14B1BF6D; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:23:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.1.19.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.1.19]) by 227.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E85F1C18D for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:23:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <010d01c60b6e$e38f1130$a300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com><435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gift exchange Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:23:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B221A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OOOooooops. I sure did fail to do this offlist. Sorry, folks. E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 00:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5vUgE023859 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:57:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5vMTM009420; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS5uhhA079671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5udnG083302; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5uaft083279 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ErUId-0003Cz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:56:35 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051227231056.02e52298@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:23:26 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200512280058.jBS0vvWH039737@net.indra.com> References: <200512280058.jBS0vvWH039737@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:57:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B22942.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This was a literary Christmas for me - I got "Memoirs of a Geisha - a Portrait of the Film" which has lovely pics - I do a lot of oriental -inspired costumes so this will give me more ideas... I also got 3 books (2 wrapped and one still in transit) from my research list for my Empress Theodora costume I'm doing this spring. I got a lovely vintage-look tree ornament, and several modern paperbacks and one hard cover book in my favorite genres, military science fiction and alternate history. Plus a bookstore gift card. The only non-literary gift besides the ornament was a new set of sheets (needed - but it's still 'fabric' ). Reference alternate history - one of those I got was part of a series by Harry Turtledove - who is an historian by education and when he's not writing fiction. The series is called "Crosstime Traffic" and deals with a company which sends observers across dimensions to places where Earth's history came out differently. This one I got postulates that the Kaiser's Germany never fell and rules North America (this from the back cover). The previous ones did give some interesting insights into how the historical culture might have evolved (or stagnated), along with details like cooking, commerce, clothing, etc. Fun reads! Happy New Year, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 08:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSDPkf6028155 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:25:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSDPc49026223; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:25:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSDP7Qr040279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSDP1mv092393; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSDOqQ3092279 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:24:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051228132446015004v0nqe>; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:46 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:45 +0000 Message-Id: <122820051324.21614.43B2921D0005E0B60000546E22073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B29252.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello! My gift was from Carol Kocian, who gave me the book by Mara Riley, "Whatever Shall I Wear?" and several small lengths of basic cotton and linen "twill type" tapes. And also pieces of a pale green toile cotton for my quilting, too! Since I have decided to start playing in the era generally associated with the civil war of the US, I'm definitely going to be using everything! Thank you Carol, for these thoughtful gifts! Elena, Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Carol Kocian > > Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) > Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful > blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal > design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 09:04:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSE4Ipl028922 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:04:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSE4Bgu005818; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSE3qYt043749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSE3nWB012167; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:03:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSE3jEu012103 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:03:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m2.in-tch.com [216.166.191.2]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBSDtnb12225 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:55:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60bb8$7963a7e0$02bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:10:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:04:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B29B5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Glad it arrived safely! I was horribly late in sending it--we've had really vile, icey weather (although it's mostly just drippy/wet now), and it made navigating my way to the post office a bit difficult! --Sue, in rapidly thawing Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts > > Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) > Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful > blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal > design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 09:20:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEKHsg029422 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:20:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEKALP010438; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSEJcg4045526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEJbXf021872; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEJV0P021797 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24754.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.84]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B7FFB5EE01B for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:19:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c60bb9$b7c16d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:19:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holliday gift exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:20:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B29F1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My gift exchanger, Tara Broadway got an embroidered purse with a Shorleyker pattern, mirrored and flipped to make a motif for renaissance use. It was embroidered on ivory silk taffeta with silk threads. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries19.htm I didnt get her gift yeat, she emailed me and told me she had broken a leg and therefore my gift wasnt send until last monday. But always nice to waite for surprises. >From Leif i got a ligtbox, wich i have already taken in use, drafted pattern for a ladys gusset bag embroidered with silk pansies, if it gets nice, i want to give it for my sister. Then i finally will be able to send away the francaise dress at the end of this week for the lady i made it for in New York. So i will be looking forwards to a time without any bonds........ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 09:26:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEQXvb029524 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEQQMM012303; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSEPdUv046043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEPamP024940; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEPYd6024889 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:29 -0800 Message-ID: <43B2A059.6040308@msn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:29 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 14:25:29.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D91C100:01C60BBA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2A092.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO So far all of my gifts from friends and family have been for the geeky side of me. (I will be meeting with my sewing/costume friends this Friday) I got an MP3 player and a new printer/scanner/copier/fax. But my Secret Santa, Diana Habra, sent me the most beautiful German goller made from black wool and linen, decorated with a hand stitched border of luscious fawn colored silk! I will put pictures of it up soon on the h-costume picturetrail! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 10:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFE00f030527 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:14:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFDqg1026936; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSFCGSH051259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFCDFh052117; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFC9pi052076 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m2.in-tch.com [216.166.191.2]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBSF4Db23980 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:04:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005d01c60bc2$077c85c0$02bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:18:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:13:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2ABB0.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I didn't really get any this year, and haven't yet received my Secret Santa present from the list exchange. I got lots of other very nice things, though...several kinds of chocolate, a nice teapot, cat toys for my kitties, a historical cookbook, etc. Oh, wait....I did buy myself a kit from Philosopher's Wool for a Fair Isle Cardigan. Luscious, luscious colors...mmmm....Not "costume," but definitely clothing, if that counts. And my sister's MiL sent me a hand-dyed silk scarf from Bejing. I gave a couple of textile-related things as gifts--one friend got a small purse done in a fair isle pattern (knitted), and my BiL got a seaman's scarf (knitted). My SiL, Beth, who is the other knitter in the family, is getting handspun yarn from me for her projects. Oh, ack, wait....I actually *did* get something costume-related. A friend gave me some wood-carving tools. I'm wanting to learn how to do basic pewter casting, so I can make my own buttons for fitted gowns, and maybe some pilgrims' badges, and you can use the carving tools to carve your stone molds. --Sue in drippy-cold Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 10:49:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFnOpS031330 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:49:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFnGge006160; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSFmir5055761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFmfWW076038; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFmaoO075985 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.24]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ErdXX-00058I-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <14651773.1135784915561.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:48:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2B3FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Costume-related: one of my sisters gave me half a yard of deep claret cotton velvet "for costumes"--she said it was an odd present, but I can already think of three ways I could use it for this summer's production! Textile: my other sister gave me a throw, Lord Ganesha batiked on hand-woven cotton (made in India)--Ganesh happens to be this agnostic's (i.e., my) favorite god and also looms large in my legend since I have directed two productions of Terrence McNally's A Perfect Ganesh. Sewing: my sister-in-law gave me a small three-drawer chest which will sit on my sewing table and hold, probably, 1) snaps, 2) hooks, and 3) decorative fasteners. MOST EXCELLENT: Kimiko Small was my h-cost santa. I'll post a picture of what she sent so that all can enjoy it; for now, I'll quote the description she included: "The sweet-bag style purse is hand made by me. It is made of black cotton velvet, with gold metallic dupionni silk applique, couched by hand with red silk cord. Freshwater pearls, red glass seed beads and a dark red garnet bead add final touches to the applique. The gold cording closure is held in place by hand-sewn loops. The bag is lined with red silk shantung." I will carry this when I serve as Queen at a medieval/ren banquet fundraiser late in January. As a creation and as an accessory, its value to me goes FAR beyond the h-cost exchange "limit"! Ending of semester (English prof!) plus a holiday production outpaced my imagination, and I santa-ed a gift certificate from a supplier I'm confident my partner can use. But wish I had been able to rise to the level of creativity I'm seeing in so many of the gift descriptions! In the next few days (as soon as I get the thing uploaded) I'll be posting a link to a photo I took after our recent (early December) snowfall. It will serve as my holiday greeting card to you all.... Meanwhile, ho ho ho! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lavolta Press >Sent: Dec 27, 2005 12:30 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts > >Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what >costume-related gifts everyone got? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 10:58:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFwYTJ031603 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFwR5d009121; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSFvhAP056845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFvdLx082029; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFvV8x081917 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24754.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.84]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 36B1C47FED2 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c60bc7$6f6dc4a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor taylor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2B623.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I found this information on living history uk. Its a new book released the coming spring, and i recon that many of you would be interrested: http://www.tudortailor.com/ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 11:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGCP28031891 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:12:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGCHtU013580; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:12:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSG6jJ4057921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:06:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSG6eIj088393; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSG6LLW088058 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6693298 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:06:16 -0600 Message-ID: <00dc01c60bc8$b1144c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c60bc7$6f6dc4a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor taylor Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:06:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:12:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2B962.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tudur Tailor I ordered 2 just before Christmas one for me one for gift next christmas. Lori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 11:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGjMpW032615 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:45:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGjDxX024408; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSGib1T062460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGiYRo015718; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGiNbN015601 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS700HZLVTTHSWK@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:44:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:44:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth Western Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor taylor In-reply-to: <000501c60bc7$6f6dc4a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Tudor taylor Thread-index: AcYLzfE6L37VTXfBEdqFqQAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2C11A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I ordered mine just before Christmas and am really looking forward to receiving the book. LJ users got the notice of the site going live last week. ELizabeth On 12/28/05 10:57 AM, "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > Hi, > I found this information on living history uk. > Its a new book released the coming spring, and i recon that many of you > would be interrested: > http://www.tudortailor.com/ > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 11:48:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGmt5T032666 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:48:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGmlHg025571; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSGmYYG062872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGmXxV018791; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGGact095556 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IS70074AUIO9UD2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:16:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:27:51 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. 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Status: RO We moved my website to a new server and had a problem getting the mail working. Please accept my apologies for any bounced messages and to those who get this more than once. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 12:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSH1SCS000434 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:01:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSH1KXB030771; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:01:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSH0EOn064844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSH07T1028353; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGxvsH028152 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB743D473 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43B2C48A.7000604@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:54 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts References: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:01:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2C4E0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My husband thoughtfully gave me several books from my costuming wish-list, "The Little Hat Book", "How the West was Worn", and a book on making victorian style ribbon trim (coincidentally I had been drooling over the very title a week before because I bought it for my exchange recipient). Cynthia, from the list, sent a box of assorted quilting fabrics and some nifty buttons, for my other textile hobby. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 13:07:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSI786P004059 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSI70ki020361; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSI6YCZ073397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSI6VW9077868; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSI6SmD077826 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IS700ADPZM84IFO@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:06:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:18:00 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts In-reply-to: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B2D6D8.6020404@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2D444.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I received a box from Germany that contained a lovely porcelain Faberge egg. I'm having tourble figuring out the giver's name. Thank you Secret Santa, who ever you are. The closest costuming item I received was that my daughter & I spent part of the weekend updating my website and moving it over to a new server. The only down part was the problem getting the e-mail reestablished, I had 2 dayswith no mail hopefully there weren't that many bounced messages. As soon as we found the problem I changed all (where possible with out unscribing) my list settings to no mail. A thought for next year if we do this again. I included a copy of the information I submitted to Dawn in the package that went to my gift recipient so she would get to know a bit about me. Jeanine in MA Karen R Bergquist wrote: >Not too many costuming presents from friends and family although my >friend Jay got me a really cool reproduction of a Mesopotamian cylinder >seal designed to be worn as a necklace. > >My Secret Santa was Jayne Thomas from England who sent me some lovely >lengths of fabric- one in a silky, dusty purple/lavender and another in a >gorgeous red damask- I think this one is silk. She also sent me pictures >of her family and a lovely letter telling me all about herself. Thanks so >much, Jayne! Everything got here in plenty of time! > >Karen >Seamstrix > > >On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:48 -0500 Carol Kocian >writes: > > >> Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) >>Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful >>blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal >>design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! >> >> -Carol >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 16:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSLZLUx014495 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSLZCj1029828; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSLY4XU006942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSLXuVd035166; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:33:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42407.mail.yahoo.com (web42407.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBSLXtZG035068 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62980 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2005 21:33:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=254l+kw7n9poLA0848GUZQTvYaPeenvYYAWhHYvOr7h1l893BAyBxiHkaa/O04dp2q7CuYFkYGOHuiNdcBtEngf0TURdnK9dqd5n3lxBuJBEZpJhOd7kdRvsQnheVo5rlWxp5NZPtZD075/bYaoaSG6jaFzM0p9A55g9gs0JnmA= ; Message-ID: <20051228213348.62978.qmail@web42407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.65] by web42407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:33:48 PST Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B30511.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I received a child mannnequin from my parents this Christmas, so I now have a 'set' - the baby, toddler and child. I also received a copy of 'The Tudor Housewife' by Alison Sim, which has a chapter on housework, which includes the Tudor way of doing the laundry and stain removal! I got a copy of 'Shakespeare in Love' as I like Judi Dench, and of course, the costumes! My secret Santa present hasn't arrived yet (the Royal Mail can be so slow sometimes!), so I have something to look forward to! Wishing everybody the best for 2006! Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 18:56:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSNur7N017637 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSNujXg017935; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSNuCgB032927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSNu8ae041358; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSNu6x0041330 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17CA405FE for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb08.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.43aa525b.36030 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDsyYV0RxCDwIAAAAB,0bc94c9a44e30363064a11bd4fdb39c3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3263D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I received a book on beading, and my secret Santa gift was a beautiful bookmark from Rebecca Schmitt. It is done in meticulous blackwork and is too pretty to use (but I will probably use it carefully - maybe in QEW Unlocked). Most of my gifts were more cat than costume oriented. Oh well, most of my friends and family know I love cats and they don't know much about costuming. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 21:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2Fo5V020238 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2FgG1006411; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT2FCWb051279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2F80J021628; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2F5nU021588 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.106.34.135]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c60c1d$ac81a400$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051228213348.62978.qmail@web42407.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B346CE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am embarrassed to say that I threw the box away before I had a chance to copy the name off it. I think she was from Oregon or Washington. It was a great fur shrug like they have in all the stores now. The ribbon was a chartreuse color. I just love it. If you recognize yourself, please email me and thank you for your lovely gift. Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 21:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2UtOK020432 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:30:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2UmK1012076; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:30:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT2P09B052953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2OxvC028017; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2OuBV027982 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ooSYKDHpABbT9p+rWtTzl9SbVM6G0LlWhxLgsZ+JIpGiFel8hXUlOb20ZGOF9upC; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErnTL-0004sU-2s for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <016001c60c1f$19d1fef0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051228213348.62978.qmail@web42407.mail.yahoo.com> <005501c60c1d$ac81a400$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:25:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48fed4669fbe8ec3e7bd17c467715f4fca773bb16c9ad91485350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:30:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B34A58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My secret Santa was Catherine Kinsey, who made the most wonderful needlebook out of handdyed linen, with a mermaid embroidered in silk floss. As if that wasn't enough, she enclosed a brass pin dating from the late 1600's. Since I do a LOT of handsewing, I've already put both items to use, and am the envy of my sewing friends. The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've used them both already and they really do make handsewing easier. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 21:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2jFeS020719 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2j74G017407; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT2dbut054290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2dZ6Z035497; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2dRre035425 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05940 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:04 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: <016001c60c1f$19d1fef0$0400a8c0@boris> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B34DB3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction > sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to > my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've > used them both already and they really do make handsewing easier. What is a sewing bird? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3MsET021356 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:22:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3MkZD030284; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3Lquc059697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3LllO056139; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3LhrO056076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EroLq-0003lO-CY; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:14 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:14 -0600 Message-ID: <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:14 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO IL got two dress forms -- a nifty one for my sewing table from SaraGrace (thanks!), and a Uniquely You for *me* from eBay. and books -- embroidery books, mostly. :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:28:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3SYBO021642 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3SQME032251; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3S8bY060657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3S7EY059322; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3S4k5059291 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NafbToJ3jcQ4nehFyG/Zym6eAJLHukBb1O49WS4L5Dryj/7jK0WH3HFkFsn/5Xf+; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EroSR-0006mj-8L for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: <017101c60c27$ec07cd70$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:28:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48fed4669fbe8ec3e755318211a4752aa3f83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B357DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > What is a sewing bird? > > --Robin It's a clamp that fastens onto a table or counter, with a bird shaped clamp on top of that. The bird holds the edge of the fabric in its beak (clamp), acting as a third hand. It makes handsewing much easier and faster, especially things like hemming. This is what I have, one in brass, one in silver. http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/n_sewingbird.html#LV10 Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3c6Rw021866 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:38:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3bwa0002725; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:38:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3bXEq062012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3bVsh063476; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3bSXB063446 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Mpb3cNmJwlMmhEFz2fKB3jUuapIHT0v6AFhBb9ctMseb2gBNBg9koTSjGR153Qyp; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.120] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErobW-0003qN-7B for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c60c29$2eae5fd0$783c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:37:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b573f40f7a5cd03f3d487eb20f39a1f73350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.120 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Was gifts, now sewing birds X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:38:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B35A16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin wrote: > What is a sewing bird? > They're also known as sewing clamps or "third hands". They go back at least as far as the 18th c. in the west and also turn up in traditional Japanese sewing. It's a clamp which is attached to a stationery object, like a table. The clamp holds one end of your sewing, while you hold the other end taut with your non-stitching hand. You get some tension control and it speeds up the hand-sewing. There are some incredibly fanciful antique ones out there, a lot of which look like birds- hence the name, I guess. I have a couple of modern ones made by Clover- they came from Clotilde. http://www.clotilde.com/cl/product_group.asp?listtype=search&searchterm=third+hand&dept_name=Search+Result%3A+third+hand&g_id=146919 I that URL doesn't work for you, just go to Clotilde and look up "third hand". -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:47:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3lpRd022037 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3lhI4005756; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3lRJ4063610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3lQQS068868; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3lOba068828 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so1045508nzf for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=VPxzfRyDUkr0gNhgmVnpp2dpbFHj6ObscjekHJLVTKAMkZ47l2VCqBnaIbx06Upme2aNjqNvrf7mYJe6tbzLzCiMK5iBK8ZbBulETk6r4PN5J5nE5JWU/c8hDgI08DbEhP6S9bzvNr2zpKzFKXlFl5vaTDa4QzB+jWXOZzlG+OA= Received: by 10.64.84.12 with SMTP id h12mr744125qbb; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a29sm3773263qbd.2005.12.28.19.47.23; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ae01c60c2a$94dfea20$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B35C5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? I got Nora Waugh's Cut of Men's Clothes! Yay! But that's all for costume-related stuff. Non-costume, I got A Series of Unfortunate Events tomes 4-5-6, the whole Narnya series, a couple of DVDs, Japanese tea cups and chopsticks, and cooking books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:52:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3q4et022102 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:52:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3puTc006915; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3pK5F064159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3pK9p071008; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3pF8F070961 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06319 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:18:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:18:54 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: <017101c60c27$ec07cd70$0400a8c0@boris> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:51:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B35D5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > What is a sewing bird? > > It's a clamp that fastens onto a table or counter, with a bird shaped clamp > on top of that. The bird holds the edge of the fabric in its beak (clamp), > acting as a third hand. It makes handsewing much easier and faster, > especially things like hemming. Oh, that sounds so useful! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 23:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT4IoqN023089 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:18:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT4IgTa014570; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT4FkIV067552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT4Fh4v084146; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT4Fcrf084077 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m47.in-tch.com [216.166.191.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBT47db06484 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008501c60c2f$79714360$2fbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:22:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:18:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B363A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's a fancy clamp-thingy, that functions almost as a third hand, to help you with some sorts of handsewing tasks, when a third hand would be really handy (no pun intended, truly...just feeling the lack of a good vocabulary tonight). I don't own one, but I've seen them in the occasional catalogue over the years. I *think* they're Victorian in origin. --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts > > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > > The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction > > sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to > > my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've > > used them both already and they really do make handsewing easier. > > What is a sewing bird? > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 04:25:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT9Ppit028824 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT9PhvB004973; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT9PIg5011738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT9PDCm026879; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT9P8WY026812 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBT9P5KI009300 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:05 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.70.157] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-70-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.157]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT9T9WH018689 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051229011645.03a3ae80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:19:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was gifts, now sewing birds In-Reply-To: <011101c60c29$2eae5fd0$783c9b04@HELENPINTO> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3AB97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>What is a sewing bird? > >They're also known as sewing clamps or "third hands". They go back at >least as far as the 18th c. in the west and also turn up in traditional >Japanese sewing. Sailors, or at least the sail-repairers on sailing ships, used a hook to hold the work taut. These have a length of twine at the non-hook end, so they can be tied to something. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 05:26:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAQo8L010650 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:26:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAQgdF026657; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTAQEHN023353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAQ8Zh059014; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42409.mail.yahoo.com (web42409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBTAQ6hu058935 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19022 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2005 10:26:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jnJF9QezmzxxAGSK6usfZfyzECvY+BLv/NVDjXE4eOzc4bVdm/wxQwbULuLR0y/4ooQ1IXQgG/nUTm1b1N1NfhO8sdiH0vVVZOv4sFVLShkHL6vUOAO4DtjJVBrbQPe4N1bQjCyFKZOsGV6/i0HULUVRfGVX0UKI1A/p0rwF6/w= ; Message-ID: <20051229102601.19020.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.116.67] by web42409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:01 PST Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:26:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3B9E2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I would like to make a flamenco dress for my 3 and half year old daughter, sort of a mini version of the Folkwear pattern I have seen on their site - with a small split at the front and a tiny train. I doubt whether anyone produces anything like this that small, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions of a pattern I could easily adapt (I need something to ease me back into sewing, as I have had to put all my sewing stuff away to make room for the Christmas tree, so I haven't done anything for a few weeks!). Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 05:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAW5ue012456 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:32:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAVvqS028640; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:32:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTAVUku023878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAVSCm061940; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAVMvc061900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-141-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.141]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jBTAVKHS005879 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:31:21 +1100 Message-ID: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:31:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th century polonaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3BB1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Merry Christmas and Happy New year to everyone, A freind of mine has just gotten engaged (3 days ago) and has decided she wants to base her wedding gown on an 18th century Robe à l' Anglaise (I think her main source of inspiration is Pirates of the Carribean) she doesn't really want an authentic reproduction but she asked me to recommend some books to help her work out how to do it. So far I've suggested Jean Hunnisett's _Period_Costume_for_Stage_&_Screen_1500-1800_ Janet Arnold's _Patterns_of_Fashion_1_ (1660-1860) As I've used both of these books in the past (although not for this era) but is there another source you would recommend, keeping in mind that she doesn't really want an authentic reproduction and her sewing skills are still fairly basic (I can't help her hands on as she lives in another city but she's got SCA friends there who can help her if her skills aren't up to it). Pattern suggestions are also welcome, I don't know how authentic she wants this dress to be but I'd like to show her that there is an alternative to the butterick patterns with princess seams. Also is there a good collection of images from this period other than www.marquise.de ? I haven't got around to making anything 18th century (yet) so my research on that era has barely advanced past skimming over that section of Patterns of Fashion on my way to another era. thanks Elizabeth P.S. on the topic of holliday gifts, I got Henry V (the version with Kenneth Branagh) and Sense and Sensibility (the version with Emma Thompson) on DVD but nothing specifically for costume making. -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 05:53:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAqwu9017253 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:52:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAqo6q004419; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:52:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTAqSE6026726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAqPC2072983; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAqJea072883 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-104.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.104]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2005 18:52:13 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B3C184.2070607@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:16 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th century polonaise References: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:52:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3C002.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you want to drop around, I've got quite a few books on 18C costumes with patterns - have a look and you might then be able to recommend some to your friend - I've got Fitting and Proper and Costume in Detail and more but forgotten their names. As for patterns, I like Millfarm patterns, have used Period Impressions and others. Can show you them as well. And- you can see the fabric I've finally chosen for my elizabethan - but I may start making that tonight. Itchy fingers - just been swimming at Casuarina Sands and feel nice and fresh after today's heat. Cheers, Aylwen Garden Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Merry Christmas and Happy New year to everyone, > A freind of mine has just gotten engaged (3 days ago) and has decided > she wants to base her wedding gown on an 18th century Robe à l' > Anglaise (I think her main source of inspiration is Pirates of the > Carribean) she doesn't really want an authentic reproduction but she > asked me to recommend some books to help her work out how to do it. So > far I've suggested Jean Hunnisett's > _Period_Costume_for_Stage_&_Screen_1500-1800_ Janet Arnold's > _Patterns_of_Fashion_1_ (1660-1860) As I've used both of these books > in the past (although not for this era) but is there another source > you would recommend, keeping in mind that she doesn't really want an > authentic reproduction and her sewing skills are still fairly basic (I > can't help her hands on as she lives in another city but she's got SCA > friends there who can help her if her skills aren't up to it). Pattern > suggestions are also welcome, I don't know how authentic she wants > this dress to be but I'd like to show her that there is an > alternative to the butterick patterns with princess seams. Also is > there a good collection of images from this period other than > www.marquise.de ? I haven't got around to making anything 18th century > (yet) so my research on that era has barely advanced past skimming > over that section of Patterns of Fashion on my way to another era. > thanks > Elizabeth > P.S. on the topic of holliday gifts, I got Henry V (the version with > Kenneth Branagh) and Sense and Sensibility (the version with Emma > Thompson) on DVD but nothing specifically for costume making. > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 08:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTD2vI4002832 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:03:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTD2nYc019816; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTD295a050201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTD22le036560; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTD1wIh036497 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5587.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.135]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AEFC2262814 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:01:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c60c78$0f215790$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th centurypolonaise Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:01:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:02:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3DE79.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Elizabeth. I have some few pictures uploaded on how i made a robe anglaise last year. It was made for a masquerade, so dont mind the vivid colour. The base of this pattern is original anglaise dress. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th centurypolonaise > Merry Christmas and Happy New year to everyone, > A freind of mine has just gotten engaged (3 days ago) and has decided she > wants to base her wedding gown on an 18th century Robe à l' Anglaise (I > think her main source of inspiration is Pirates of the Carribean) she > doesn't really want an authentic reproduction but she asked me to > recommend some books to help her work out how to do it. So far I've > suggested Jean Hunnisett's _Period_Costume_for_Stage_&_Screen_1500-1800_ > Janet Arnold's _Patterns_of_Fashion_1_ (1660-1860) As I've used both of > these books in the past (although not for this era) but is there another > source you would recommend, keeping in mind that she doesn't really want > an authentic reproduction and her sewing skills are still fairly basic (I > can't help her hands on as she lives in another city but she's got SCA > friends there who can help her if her skills aren't up to it). Pattern > suggestions are also welcome, I don't know how authentic she wants this > dress to be but I'd like to show her that there is an alternative to the > butterick patterns with princess seams. Also is there a good collection of > images from this period other than www.marquise.de ? I haven't got around > to making anything 18th century (yet) so my research on that era has > barely advanced past skimming over that section of Patterns of Fashion on > my way to another era. > thanks > Elizabeth > P.S. on the topic of holliday gifts, I got Henry V (the version with > Kenneth Branagh) and Sense and Sensibility (the version with Emma > Thompson) on DVD but nothing specifically for costume making. > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 09:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTE7K44004063 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:07:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTE7C6Y011498; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTE6Xv8057458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTE6UlC071817; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTE6QPa071771 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5587.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.135]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E01F7262816 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c60c81$09fa9750$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:07:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3ED90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Today i received my gift from Tara Broadway. A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. and also a Blanket Capote Pattern. The shirt book has lots of gorgeous patterns, this came in right after my heart. Thankyou soo much Tara for the wonderfull gifts. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 12:33:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHXFSp007020 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHX75V027390; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTHWMkg086511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHWHAP020571; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTDMq4h046969 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F02D34F62 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:22:51 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:22:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051229102601.19020.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B41DD3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO folkwear pattern #140? http://birchstreet-folkwear.com/fw_140.gif Dress styles to get a rough idea https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/shop.php?&op_shop=shop&id_cat=12 http://www.onstagedancewear.com/allproducts.asp?svl=Ad&category=flamenco -----Original Message----- Hi! I would like to make a flamenco dress for my 3 and half year old daughter, sort of a mini version of the Folkwear pattern I have seen on their site - with a small split at the front and a tiny train. I doubt whether anyone produces anything like this that small, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions of a pattern I could easily adapt (I need something to ease me back into sewing, as I have had to put all my sewing stuff away to make room for the Christmas tree, so I haven't done anything for a few weeks!). Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 12:55:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHtOKa007398 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:55:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHtGn1003968; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTHsZMS089866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHsXFx038179; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHsTCl038068 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.158.5e688b82 (18403) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:54:17 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <158.5e688b82.30e57cc9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:54:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:55:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B42304.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/2005 12:38:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Look at Simplicity 4445--it may be too costume-y for what you want, but maybe you can use it as a starting point. I think true flamenco costumes are modified sheath dresses with the ruffles and train added, and I don't think there is a little girl's sheath dress pattern to be had, or you could start there. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 12:57:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHvLhs007428 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:57:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHvDRw003923; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:57:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTHumTt090238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHukwl039988; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHugm4039860 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.201.fad4cd1 (18403) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <201.fad4cd1.30e57d53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:56:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. 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Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:09:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. This is a great book! I understand the author, Bill Brown, is working on men's coats now. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 13:17:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIHHd8007728 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIH9Le014608; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTIGdH8093150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIGXUe055941; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIGJUd055688 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.7]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051229181613.XCZH8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:13 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051229121320.029fa230@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:11 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tudor costuming book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B42825.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thought that I'd pass this new book along: http://www.tudortailor.com/sales.htm Usual disclaimer: Don't know the people and have never done business with them. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 13:24:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIOxOE007859 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:24:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIOp0q017304; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTIORfP094472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIONHU061911; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIOI58061825 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:24:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43B429D1.5010401@msn.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:17 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 18:24:13.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[11E4C3E0:01C60CA5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:24:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B429F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The dress form is actully a pincusion and the rest, a sewing caddy...didn't know if you realized that. The soft sculpted jester head comes off the spool holder, the beaded chain is for clipping a pair of small scissors to, the glass & wire cup (actually a votive candle holder) is to hold small items like hooks & eyes, buttons etc, and the little wooden cup holds "Thread Heaven" to condition your thread. I use mine alot when spending that wonderful "quality" time with my husband in front of the boob tube. He watches, I sew! Sg Susan B. Farmer wrote: > IL got two dress forms -- a nifty one for my sewing table from SaraGrace > (thanks!), and a Uniquely You for *me* from eBay. and books -- > embroidery books, mostly. :-) > > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 13:48:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIm7GT008253 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:48:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIlxmj025220; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:48:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTIgMKn097133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIgDPp075615; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smapp00.siteprotect.com (smapp00.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIg7IT075540 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from smapp00.csee.chicago.hostway (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smapp00.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968C22E8014 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:06 -0600 (CST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:06 -0600 X-Uidl: 201.fad4cd1.30e57d53@aol.com X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-Id: <20051229184206.968C22E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBTIg7IT075540 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:48:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B42F5F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe the title of Bill's next book is "Thoughts on Men's Vests". However, he will be speaking on men's coats c.1800-1870 at the Conference in 2006. Further details may be found in the link in the signature line. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 On Thu Dec 29 12:56 , AnnBWass@aol.com sent: > >A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. > > >This is a great book! I understand the author, Bill Brown, is working on >men's coats now. > >Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 14:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJIKWb008733 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:18:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJICBh004226; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTJHqCC002356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJHmKd002997; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJHiWK002836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id jBTJHav17620 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 29 Dec 2005 13:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:36 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B43674.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My secret Santa was Catherine Kinsey, who made the most wonderful needlebook out of handdyed linen, with a mermaid embroidered in silk floss. As if that wasn't enough, she enclosed a brass pin dating from the late 1600's. Since I do a LOT of handsewing, I've already put both items to use, and am the envy of my sewing friends. Melusine ========================= Glad you liked it, the mermaid was fun to do :). I received a set of reproduction stitching tools from DH for Christmas. I finally decided I wanted all the little toys to play with in my stitching box :). Subscriptions to Piecework and Sample & Antigue Needlework were also renewed. And it looks like the cash from the in-laws may be going to that new Tudor Tailor book........ Happy Holidays to everyone and Best Wishes for the New Year! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 14:47:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJlZiL009121 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:47:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJlSVa015845; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:47:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTJl8Cd006457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJl08S025100; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJkubH024950 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:46:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7063194B8 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:48 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:47:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B43D50.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. You may use them for peronal use. If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. I'll try to answer them as best I can. Endjoy looking! http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 14:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJphsn009185 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJpZ8x017423; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTJpEPG007061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJpBFC028057; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJp5ul027938 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9738EBE664 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:50:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:51:00 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another mysterious gift giver References: <001301c60970$6f825f40$ba159b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <001301c60970$6f825f40$ba159b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229195058.9738EBE664@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B43E47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am glad you like them! Greetings, Deredere Helen Pinto wrote: > All I know about my partner is that the package originated in the > Netherlands, so I'll just have to thank you here for the nice beads > and pendants, and wish you all the best for the holidays. > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 15:10:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKAi2J009484 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:10:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKAbiS024406; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTK51m0009085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTK4uW7037931; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTK4q5e037805 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8231946A for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:04:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:04:48 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229200446.A2C8231946A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:10:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B442BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got The Cut of womens clothing and The Cut of man's clothing by Nora Waugh from my husband. A nice book from a special exebithion Rijk Gekleed (well dressed) and visited it (the pictures are from there) From my mother in law a dremel (small hand drill machine) perfect for making moulds for casting or jewelry. And some more power tools. Not really for making historical costumes but perfect for a centour costume I still would like to make... Bought myself very nice batist for a regency dress. Made myself a beautifull coat. I can wear it over a bustle dress but I like to wear it also as my "normal" winter coat. I'll have to make pictures of it. It is black wool so it is a bit difficult to make pictures of. But it is probably going to snow some more tomorrow :-) . And From my secret Santa I've got a nice piece of old lace and a handmade bowl from fabric and thread. Thank you Pamela! And my bunny got a x-mas hat and scarf and a very little stuffed Icebear ;-) Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 15:38:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKcAMS009838 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKc3hA001851; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTKbcJM014320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTKbXgr062823; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTKbT5F062720 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55a8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.168]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 41F885EE064 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c60cb7$b49267c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4492B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Deredere, You almost make me cry! One of these dresses has ben something i have dreamed of must excist, and now i know it excists. Oh boy, and i have ....well actually i desided to stop making costumes, but when i se this dress, i dont know! This was the best gift i got this christmass, thanks a lot! By the way wich museum was this? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all > Hi, > > I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. > Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. > You may use them for peronal use. > If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. > I'll try to answer them as best I can. > > Endjoy looking! > > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLCa6N010464 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:12:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLCSTw013546; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLBffg018984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLBZxs087149; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBTLBUPi087029 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 169 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 21:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 21:11:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051229211041.01da6800@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:11:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all In-Reply-To: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4513C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:46 29/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. >Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. >You may use them for peronal use. >If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. >I'll try to answer them as best I can. > >Endjoy looking! > >http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Thank you so much for a lovely gift. I shall enjoy looking more thoroughly later. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:42:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLgjAP011003 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLgbcL023488; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLeuQF023387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLerdM008655; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLeneD008608 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 50D3E35043 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:40:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:40:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20051229102601.19020.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4584D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Simplicity 4721 You could adapt this pattern. Butterick 4385 Add gores? B3920 Could use to figure out the ruffles M4907 Lengthen the skirt and add ruffles. -----Original Message----- Hi! I would like to make a flamenco dress for my 3 and half year old daughter, sort of a mini version of the Folkwear pattern I have seen on their site - with a small split at the front and a tiny train. I doubt whether anyone produces anything like this that small, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions of a pattern I could easily adapt (I need something to ease me back into sewing, as I have had to put all my sewing stuff away to make room for the Christmas tree, so I haven't done anything for a few weeks!). Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Best Wishes Jayne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:51:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLpqsk011112 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:51:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLpjEs026287; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:51:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLpGvr024951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLpDe8016768; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLp9C5016705 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1602673wri for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:51:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tONPxYApX32ej4yZCIwcr4JU3DSJMEhkJdmcasydzMrOpd7SjKA0tej30I6J87SDkaX9NXk+k8MJJkxbsAf+1832B6DbL7CyIrp7VkVcTTHZwBwhtOXhPsxJ201eaUK+6LsP0346aIssLwRACSnW9znoPtgawJjNxf+KUa3m2RU= Received: by 10.65.116.6 with SMTP id t6mr1502354qbm; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e18sm3643123qba.2005.12.29.13.51.04; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:51:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:49:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:51:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B45A71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" > I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. > Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. > You may use them for peronal use. > If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. > I'll try to answer them as best I can. > > Endjoy looking! > > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Great but... uh... where were they taken? It would help me at least to be able to name the folder correctly :-) They're amazing, by the way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:55:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLthUS011151 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLtZfR027429; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLtKAX025523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLtI3d019548; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLtFuQ019460 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BAB404E2 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb22.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.43aa5261.4050b for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDtFs9Pcl42wIAAAAB,7e0fdf111e2d60cb57e7e1d2fc2127b4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20051229135509.5155D5A9@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B45B58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Great pictures. Where is this museum? Wish it was close to me. Thanks for sharing. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Deredere Galbraith wrote: From: Deredere Galbraith Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all Hi, I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. You may use them for peronal use. If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. I'll try to answer them as best I can. Endjoy looking! http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 17:53:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTMr9AN012082 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTMr0lR014125; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTMqRFv033635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTMqNPT059415; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTMqK0N059325 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E663CBE7AE for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:52:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:52:16 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> In-Reply-To: <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229225214.E663CBE7AE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B468CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It is a small museum in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It is in a 17th century canalside house on the Gentelmans Canal. It is a special exebithion that runs to the 22 of January. The Willet-Holthuysen museum is part of the Amsterdam Historical Museum. The book from the exebition is called " Rijk Gekleed, van doopjurk tot baljapon 1750-1940" by Annemarie Dekker ISBN 90 68683985 it is in Dutch. Publisher http://www.thoth.nl/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 18:01:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTN1ij1012212 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTN1aTY016726; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTN19pE035536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:01:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTN16ga066418; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTN13Gm066243 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B239FBE7D4 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:00:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:00:58 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> <20051229225214.E663CBE7AE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051229225214.E663CBE7AE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229230057.B239FBE7D4@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B46AD0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The url for the site is http://www.willetholthuysen.nl/tentoonstelling.php?id=8 Deredere Galbraith wrote: > It is a small museum in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It is in a 17th century > canalside house on the Gentelmans Canal. > It is a special exebithion that runs to the 22 of January. The > Willet-Holthuysen museum is part of the Amsterdam Historical Museum. > The book from the exebition is called " Rijk Gekleed, van doopjurk tot > baljapon 1750-1940" by Annemarie Dekker > ISBN 90 68683985 it is in Dutch. Publisher http://www.thoth.nl/. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 18:42:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTNgnSc012755 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:42:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTNgftL030777; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTNgM3O040978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTNgGe8094961; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTNgDfb094923 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 860476904 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:42:12 -0600 Message-ID: <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net><20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:42:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dress form / sewing caddy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:42:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B47471.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The dress form is actully a pincusion and the rest, a sewing > caddy...didn't know if you realized that. The soft sculpted jester head > comes off the spool holder, the beaded chain is for clipping a pair of > small scissors to, the glass & wire cup (actually a votive candle holder) > is to hold small items like hooks & eyes, buttons etc, and the little > wooden cup holds "Thread Heaven" to condition your thread. I Do you have a photo on-line somewhere? I'd be very interested in making something like this. Thanks Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 20:21:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1LZ4W014220 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1LRZj029502; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU1KjxY051957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1Kgo5053225; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1KZOx053187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBU1BffN031724 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:11:41 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:11:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B48B61.5010600@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:20:33 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More costume notes 1662 Pepys X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B48B97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Today's episode: After they were come in, I went down and got through the croude almost as high as the King and the Embassadors, where I saw all the presents, being rich furs, hawks, carpets, cloths of tissue, and sea-horse teeth. The King took two or three hawks upon his fist, having a glove on, wrought with gold, given him for the purpose. The son of one of the Embassadors was in the richest suit for pearl and tissue, that ever I did see, or shall, I believe. And later: ... being in great pain that my wife hath never a winter gown, being almost ashamed of it, that she should be seen in a taffeta one; when all the world wears moyre (mohair); so to prayers and to bed, but we could not come to any resolution what to do therein, other than to appear as she is. More at: http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1662/12/29/ The notes there have another account of the same ambassadors: John Evelyn’s Diary “To Lond: Saw the Audience of the Moscovy Ambassador, which was with extraordinary state: for his retinue being numerous, all clad in vests of several Colours, & with buskins after the Eastern manner: Their Caps of furr, & Tunicks richly embrodrd with gold & pearle, made a glorious shew: The King being sate under the Canopie in the banqueting house, before the Ambassador went in a grave march the Secretary of the Embassy, holding up his Masters letter of Credence in a crimson-taffaty scarfe before his forehead: The Ambassador then deliverd it, with a profound reverence to the King, the King to our Secretary of State; it was written in a long & lofty style: Then came in the present borne by 165 of his retinue, consisting Mantles & other large pieces lined with Sable, Black fox, Ermine, Persian Carpets, the ground cloth of Gold and Velvet, Sea-morce teeth aboundance, Haukes, such as they sayd never came the like: Horses, said to be Persian, Bowes & Arrows &c: which borne by so long a traine rendred it very extraordinary: Wind musick playing all the while in the Galleries above: This finish’d & the Ambassador conveyed by the Master of Ceremonies to York house, he was treated with a banquet, that cost 200 pounds, as I was assured, &c:..” ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/humanities/John_Evelyn/#Evelyn -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 20:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1eXhn014479 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1eQGD003260; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU1dvSc053785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1dtgO062366; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1dqud062303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Es9Ex-0006nE-8j; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:39:31 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:39:31 -0600 Message-ID: <20051229193931.qh1nmwzo5ps04wkw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:39:31 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4900A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting WickedFrau : > The dress form is actully a pincusion and the rest, a sewing > caddy...didn't know if you realized that. The soft sculpted jester > head comes off the spool holder, the beaded chain is for clipping a > pair of small scissors to, the glass & wire cup (actually a votive > candle holder) is to hold small items like hooks & eyes, buttons etc, > and the little wooden cup holds "Thread Heaven" to condition your > thread. I use mine alot when spending that wonderful "quality" time > with my husband in front of the boob tube. He watches, I sew! I wasn't sure about the stuff in the little wooden "flower pot/thimble" thingie. Everything else, looks like I was right on. I've never used that kind of thread. How is it to work with? I have it in my brain that it's primarily for machine embroidery -- is this truth? I don't know if SaraGrace has a photo, I'll see if I can get a picture taken and posted. I think it's *nifty* Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 21:22:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2MoFh014995 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2Mhse016217; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU2MC37058047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2M9ot082604; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2M5Ya082540 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISA003I4H8O2W00@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.41] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.25]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:00 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B499F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO wwwaaaaaaaahhhhooooooooo!!!!!! My package arrived today... All I can say is WOW!!! Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! I am already planning what to make out of the fuscia (lined - cause I'm alergic to wool), and I'm already a 1/4 of the way through the book. The book is even more meaningfull because it is written by someone with the same last name as my parents (Maeder). This seems to be an unusual spelling of a Germanic name and I have seen very few people with that particular spelling. Hmmm now I am wondering where I can get fuscia linen to make something for an event on Jan 14th.... Katheryne who is wondering if my secret santa in CA opened her box yet..... I forgot to make notice that it was from h-costume...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 21:34:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2XxJu015155 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2XqRb019361; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU2XSjJ059495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2XQuF088504; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2XNQw088465 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16928 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:01:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:01:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:33:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B49C90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! Who was your generous giver? (Still waiting for my recipient to check in...) > Hmmm now I am wondering where I can get fuscia linen to make something > for an event on Jan 14th.... I have loads, leftover from the infamous Fuchsia Linen Stampede of a few years back. If you can't find something, e-mail me and we'll work something out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 21:37:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2bh26015265 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2bZdK020235; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU2b614059957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2b58r090474; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2b29N090413 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISA00AWVHXLBLO8@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.41] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.25]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:36:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:36:57 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B49D6F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO uummm sorry..... rummage....... rummage....... now where is that box?? AH!! Agnes G. from Seattle WA Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > > Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! > > Who was your generous giver? > > (Still waiting for my recipient to check in...) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 22:46:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU3ktOA016192 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU3kkHq006180; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:46:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU3kFsa068477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU3kBXF025902; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.209]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBU3k8r2025845 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 4163 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 03:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 03:46:01 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229213527.01d37fd8@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:39:43 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:46:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4ADA6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, I got an awesome assortment of Eterna Silks. A very appreciated gift since I have decided I can't stand the way cheep cotton floss lays when embroidered. Sorry, the name was on the wrapping paper and my hubby threw it all away before I could write it down. Thanks, though Genie (My person still hasn't checked in either, Robin :) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 23:59:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU4xilD017678 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:59:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU4xas0023911; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:59:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU4x9O6076747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU4x6bm062590; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52114.mail.yahoo.com (web52114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBU4x4Up062533 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 65069 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 04:58:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dJRlm/cinOBNHktwqeDaroABW0C/qE1SMq8nJ7T+nUFrIcoAWO4TDG8ZoD8Af7AGjPFkv/9WOfqRlU1/WrDhOb23cGQBbrX3a3YIDMnWFgi7EkYfBg/V4pwLir5ndRubO+stfMwoJg27NDFbmlsz81PR2JrfDeI+lVIW4gMCKlg= ; Message-ID: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:58:59 EST Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:59:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4BEB8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have any clues? http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 00:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU5KKnx018015 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:20:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU5KCnS029203; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU5JsI2078843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU5JqA1072669; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU5Jm6e072582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsCfo-0005dn-48; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:28 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:28 -0600 Message-ID: <20051229231928.8hjy3tn4urfk0cgc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:28 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Kathy Page : > I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that > given the language the citation I can't read below the > painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with > this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the > painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in > vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have > any clues? > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me about the book? I've looked at enough Italian paintings to be able to pigeon out the title and stuff. "Attributed A. Jean Bahuet -- Portrait of lady of the court of Isabella -- dated ? before ? 1540 -- Palazzo Ducale, Mantova (Ducal Palace, Mantova). I can't wait to see if you can track down a color copy! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 03:17:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU8HsRg007438 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:17:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU8HkBq007323; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU8H0bD004218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU8GrYC051254; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU8GnSS051226 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19181 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:44:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:44:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kathy Page wrote: > I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the > language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. > *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely > anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of the painting > in vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have any clues? > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the portrait; the face seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. I can't tell from the online version whether it is an engraving, but that should be obvious from the book itself. At worst it is a forgery, but that is less likely than the alternatives. At best it is indeed c. 1540, and just an unusual style for the time. A citation for the book you found this in, with year, might be useful. I can't find Jean Bahuet in my dictionary of artists, nor on a websearch, save in 18th and 19th c. geneaologies, which might of course be referring to some other Jean Bahuet(s). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 05:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUASZlt003900 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:28:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUASRrD012304; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUARtDb018843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUARq6X005881; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUARk0I005819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBUAIqfN002325 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:18:52 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:18:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B50BA0.8070003@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:27:44 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the portrait; the face > seems Victorian. That was my first thought, due to the face, but the rest of it seems less so. > It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. That would be my guess -- a tantalizing lead for the real painting. What marvelous sleeves! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Mindless entertainment is the handmaiden of fascism. -- Mo/Alison Bechdel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 07:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUC3qqs024213 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:03:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUC3ixw009201; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUC3CJb028367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUC35N9047119; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUC31RR047018 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:03:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.248.482d762 (3310) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:02:51 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <248.482d762.30e67beb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:02:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. 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Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:45:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cschmitt@genteelarts.com writes: However, he will be speaking on men's coats c.1800-1870 at the Conference in 2006. Further details may be found in the link in the signature line. Thanks, Carolann--that's where I read about the coats, of course! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:01:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD1s17025211 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD1jdR028249; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUD079Y040368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD03kh077249; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUCxxDE077172 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DDE9136073 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:59:58 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO -----Original Message----- > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg <<>>>>> *** Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many of his paintings are in a private collection in Mantua. http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/march_04/gallery_center.htm l "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes in the exhibition." De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:09:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD9Ci4025282 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:09:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD94fJ030906; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:09:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUD8c6I046027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD8adT082444; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f10.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD8WdV082411 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauradi7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:08:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:08:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.163.105.146] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lauradi7@hotmail.com From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:08:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 13:08:31.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[2217B720:01C60D42] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] "Casanova" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B53171.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw it, and liked it as eye candy. It's not a time or place (1753, Venice) that I know much about, but superficially the costumes seem OK (and pretty). I was curious to hear opinions about accuracy. Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:11:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDBhrh025329 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:11:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDBahv031759; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:11:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUD9NjL046486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD9NmD082919; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from 223.148.127.216.safepages.com (223.148.127.216.safepages.com [216.127.148.223] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD9KD1082886 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by 223.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 6E6AC9076F; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.32.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.32]) by 223.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D3E99062E for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:09:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <009b01c60d42$3ead3860$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO I don't know how much this will help, but here's the museum mentioned in the caption as its home: http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm I couldn't find any info about it on their English site (couldn't get the Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try emailing/writing them. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDK8Wo025484 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:20:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDK0Mi002247; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:20:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDJYDR052955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDJX99089475; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav13.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDJUp5089439 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:19:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:19:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> <20051229231928.8hjy3tn4urfk0cgc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO To: Kathy, The artist is also knows as Giovanni Bahuet, a Renaissance painter. http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/march_04/gallery_center.html I looked for Bahuet and Renaissance painting in a search. The place is the same in the listing and other paintings look similar. I hope this is the same peson. At least I found a really neat site for additional costumes and ideas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that >> given the language the citation I can't read below the >> painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with >> this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the >> painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in >> vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have >> any clues? >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me about the book? > > I've looked at enough Italian paintings to be able to pigeon out the > title and stuff. > > "Attributed A. Jean Bahuet -- Portrait of lady of the court of Isabella > -- dated ? before ? 1540 -- Palazzo Ducale, Mantova (Ducal Palace, > Mantova). I can't wait to see if you can track down a color copy! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:22:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDMDpu025595 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:22:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDM5JY017251; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:22:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDLiXd054412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDLiBn090811; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav7.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDLfPN090777 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:21:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> <20051229231928.8hjy3tn4urfk0cgc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Also: http://www.rsa.org/pdfs/RNN-XV-2.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that >> given the language the citation I can't read below the >> painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with >> this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the >> painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in >> vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have >> any clues? >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me about the book? > > I've looked at enough Italian paintings to be able to pigeon out the > title and stuff. > > "Attributed A. Jean Bahuet -- Portrait of lady of the court of Isabella > -- dated ? before ? 1540 -- Palazzo Ducale, Mantova (Ducal Palace, > Mantova). I can't wait to see if you can track down a color copy! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:26:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDQjSS025753 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDQbZ2004729; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDQ22i057454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDQ1vw093419; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51701.mail.yahoo.com (web51701.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUDPxGs093319 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:25:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22133 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 13:25:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I17qlmnojlONd1pMoiaCOZx71PckGGftEamYSItnS61rXFROQyN4d37dsMy0u9DxH0DikkCu+aa91BjxWVrQ7kn1CqnKvzokIrWWg1pl40v2ip8gDC1RAm2WOQA7nFPnKTHpIZXoMq6xCOUOFI+wHCt2pjJg4VtgSMcf3iPkE1U= ; Message-ID: <20051230132553.22131.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:25:52 PST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512300222.jBU2M9BP082611@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Secret Santa and Christmas Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5358D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My Secret Santa, Justin Barrett, sent me a lovely purse made from black silk with beautiful butterflies on it and containing a very useful small pair of scissors. Thank you, Justin! My husband has given up on trying to find which costuming books I want. (Despite the fact that I make a list on Amazon for him.) He gives me books about the period. Last year it was The Structures of Everyday Life by Fernand Braudel and Power and Profit: The Merchant in Medieveal Europe by Peter Spufford, both of which are very interesting. This year I'm looking at moving into Victorian. So he gave me What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew by Daniel Pool, Queen Victoria by Elizabeth Longford, the Victorians by A. N. Wilson, Queen Victoria at Home by Michael De-la-Noy, and Design for Tea: Tea Wares from the Dragon Court to Afternoon Tea by Jane Pettigrew. I think I'm just an excuse to run rampant through the book stores. My daughter gave me a book on Japanese Lolita clothes, with patterns. I'd write down the title, but it's in Japanese. I hope everyone is ready for a new year of costuming. Love, Kay __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:32:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDWg0K025832 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDWZJF007208; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDWIhe061181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDWHb9097297; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDWDoq097264 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3CDEF1434A1; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.32.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.32]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CAA14341D for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00b001c60d45$71376c80$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:32:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tristan & Isolde X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:32:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B536F3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of Casanova, does anyone have any thoughts on the Tristan & Isolde movie coming out soon? Their website doesn't show the costumes any better than the commercials did, or in fact much at all: http://www.tristanandisoldemovie.com/ >From what little I've seen, the costumes strike me as very Pre-Raph, which frankly works pretty well for me. I associate T&I more with the Victorian romantics than with the actual original medieval stories. Am I just weird? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 09:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEbLnd027176 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:37:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEbEa8030121; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUEaqvW072472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEamol032600; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEahVo032444 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:36:38 -0800 Message-ID: <43B545FC.1010106@msn.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:44 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress form / sewing caddy References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net><20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 14:36:38.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[71318A00:01C60D4E] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:37:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5461A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here is the tiny url: *http://tinyurl.com/dxjmd* and the regular one in case that doesn't work: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=8892003&uid=4238963&members=1 This is like the one I sent Susan except the colors are different...I forgot to take a picture of hers! Doi! I made the pattern up from an old purchased dress form that they now want $24 for! The pattern for the little jester head comes from Julie McCullough's Fisherman pattern (http://dollmakersjourney.com/mccullough.html you'll have to scroll about 2/3s of the way down the page) The most of the rest of it is/are wooden parts from a craft store like Jo Annes, or Michaels. Wooden candlestick, mini flower pot, wood cap, dowels etc. If you would like a copy of the pattern I used I will send it to you - contact me off list. Of course, unfortunately I can't give Julies pattern away....it is worth the money though...I have made several of these fisherman for gifts...they are delightful. I gave away partially used spools of thread on them so folks would understand what the little dowell/jester head was for. Yes, Susan-that is machine embroidery thread...not great to hand sew with, but it looked good with your caddy! :-) Land of Oz wrote: > Do you have a photo on-line somewhere? I'd be very interested in > making something like this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 09:55:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEtYQg027823 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:55:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEtQC0003924; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:55:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUEtCSG075036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEtAPT044278; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEt6Pb044206 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.13e.2232820d (3948) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.2232820d.30e6a440@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:54:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tristan & Isolde To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B54A5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:34:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: >From what little I've seen, the costumes strike me as very Pre-Raph, which frankly works pretty well for me. I associate T&I more with the Victorian romantics than with the actual original medieval stories. Am I just weird? ************************ Nah...Of course you associate it with Victorians...because Wagner gets more play than the original...which we had to read in school [did you know there are 3 Isoldes?] The trailer looks like 1000 other trailers. It all looks like they could've just pulled it from "Lord of the Rings", "Kind Arthur" and "Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves" leftovers. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 11:07:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUG7MkC030749 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:07:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUG7EAQ030331; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:07:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUG6gQk084831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:06:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUG6aio091375; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:06:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUG6Wg5091265 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2da.a9614 (16098) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d35 (mblk-d35.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.219]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee243b55afe394; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7DB721CE5B918-444-677C@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200512301335.jBUDYmrc098418@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200512301335.jBUDYmrc098418@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.219 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Christmas presents X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B55B32.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, I think you're a little mixed up. I sent you your gift, but you were supposed to send a gift to someone else. You sent it before I e-mailed you, so I'm sure the correct person got the lovely little purse... sigh.... I got a wonderful Elizabethan hat, though! I think it's called a tall hat with an arched brim. It's made of black velvet, and it may be just the spur I need to finally make myself an upper-class Elizabethan. I also got some gorgeous fabric scraps and some great pictures of my Santa and some costumes she has made. Unfortunately, I'm at work as I write this and the stuff with her name on it is at home, so I've forgotten who it was. I do plan to send her a nice long e-mail of thanks, just as soon as my in-laws go home. :) Tea Rose/Tara Broadway _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 11:33:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUGXdaB032209 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:33:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUGXWxu007520; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:33:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUGWhlQ088340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUGWdAV009564; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUGWW2u009352 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.193.4ed3486c (15877) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d35 (mblk-d35.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.219]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0543b5610fde; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7DB75B8659608-444-690C@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200512291900.jBTJ0K8v089799@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:11 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200512291900.jBTJ0K8v089799@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.219 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holliday exchange gifts. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:33:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5615C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Figures, I missed the digest with Bjarne's reply to my gift before I sent my last message. Oh well. I'm glad you like the book, Bjarne! I wanted to get you something American, and the local reenactors' shop is mainly American Civil War, which is too late for your period of interest, so that book was the only thing they had that I thought you would like. And I believe the capote pattern is within your period, so if you ever get bored with court dress and want to do a Native American costume, or if you have to dress an eccentric character, you'll have something to start with. If not, at least it's probably something you hadn't seen before. :) Happy Holidays! Tea Rose/Tara Broadway ========================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:13 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. To: Message-ID: <001601c60c81$09fa9750$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Today i received my gift from Tara Broadway. A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. and also a Blanket Capote Pattern. The shirt book has lots of gorgeous patterns, this came in right after my heart. Thankyou soo much Tara for the wonderfull gifts. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 12:15:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHFgfC001747 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:15:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHFZkk023706; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUHEulm096901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHEgVd042159; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHETq5041979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsNpW-0002n3-LF; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:14:14 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:14:14 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230111414.h7dj2c6416o08k80@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:14:14 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kathy Page wrote: > >> I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the >> language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. >> *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely >> anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of the painting >> in vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have any clues? >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the portrait; the face > seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. At worst it is a forgery, but that > is less likely than the alternatives. At best it is indeed c. 1540, and > just an unusual style for the time. A citation for the book you found this > in, with year, might be useful. I have to say that I've given up trying to "feel" out paintings. There are more than a few that I've seen that individually "feel" like later works (and I can't call any to mind at the moment, I'm sure that they'll come to me -- ah, this one by Paris Bordone http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BordoneHandkerchief.jpg has a Victorian feel to it, but so do many of his other works) but when taken as a body of work, it's easy to see that it's probably just a stylistic thing. > > I can't find Jean Bahuet in my dictionary of artists, nor on a websearch, > save in 18th and 19th c. geneaologies, which might of course be referring > to some other Jean Bahuet(s). Actually, it's Giovanni Bahuet. He also did this portrait of Vincenzo Gonzaga http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm And according to the program booklet for the "Splendors of the Renaissance: Prncely attire in Italy" exhibit, "the most spectacular is the cronation regalia of the 25-year old Vincenzo, who was invested as Duke of Mantua on 22 Septamber 1587. His sumptuous and extremely costly costume is described in a contemporary chronicle by Federigo Amadei (see p. 14). It is precisely recorded in the official coronation portrait by Giovanni Bahuet, which memorializes the significant event and the clothing worn for it. Knows as "Giovanni Fiamengo pittore," Bauhet was a noted Flemish portratist who was in Vincenzo's service from 1585 to 1597 (Pagani)." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 12:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHrVf2003253 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:53:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHrNJn004076; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUHr1r5002538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHqsaK069782; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHqgv1069582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsOQQ-0005fO-VE; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:52:22 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:52:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230115222.4yrfsls91hc4ksw8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:52:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress form / sewing caddy References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net><20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57413.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting WickedFrau : > Here is the tiny url: *http://tinyurl.com/dxjmd* > and the regular one in case that doesn't work: > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=8892003&uid=4238963&members=1 > > > This is like the one I sent Susan except the colors are different...I > forgot to take a picture of hers! Doi! Mine is red and black instead of blue/green. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:26:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIQsY9005351 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:26:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIQkp9015068; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:26:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIPV1s007044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIPS57093269; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUIPL9R093095 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 54673 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 18:25:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k3qO43e6Y6tw3rZdicHIXNM71yOPk9Sk/IIdiVNtaULdH2/TYXOmHne/o+IqTXYdBWVHkJwaerhFfXL8TcVzYl7Ug4SO03PsEIYuyeHKPhl+V++z9CDRdtAcMQIZ32YXPRAa1zyZNwFeLbuRXlul4GdAq8PsoLz5vgf9ka2vtO0= ; Message-ID: <20051230182503.54663.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:25:03 EST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512301334.jBUDYmra098418@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:26:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57BE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan wrote: > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me > about the book? Storia del costume in Italia by Rosita Levi Pisetzky. Volume 3 or 4, IIRC. Milano : Istituto editoriale italiano, 1964-1969 I can't wait to see if you can track down > a color copy! Me too! It would help clarify an awful lot. Robin wrote: > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the > portrait; the face > seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps > if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended > to show the painting. It *is* attributed, so it may be possible. I don't think it an engraving though. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is > an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. It looks pretty much the same. The paper is typical glossy print. None of the other paintings in this tome are engraved; they are all originals, to the best of my knowledge. On another list I posted this request to, someone said the caption below it discussed mostly jewellry. She offered to translate it for me, which I'll take her up on and see just what it's referring to this painting for. At best it is > indeed c. 1540, and > just an unusual style for the time. I have found pretty much the same stuff as the others whom had responded, and apparently he had done another court painting of note. I'd very much like to find a larger image of that painting and compare the artist styles, even if to satisfy myself that his style is simply unique. Cynthia wrote: > That would be my guess -- a tantalizing lead for the > real painting. > What marvelous sleeves! Yes! That is what caught my attention. That and the rather unsual flat front bodice that appears to run down the length of the gown, yet the hips are clearly fuller. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the engineering of this silhouette based on contemporary styles from other paintings. De wrote: > Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many > of his paintings are in > a private collection in Mantua. I just wish they had a few more in an online gallery for comparative purposes. > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo > Gonzaga's attire for his > 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua.... Having done a dig on Gonzaga I finally found a pic of that painting large enough to get a general feel for his style - it seems relative. And since this painting is solidly dated... well, *shrug* http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro5.jpg It's interesting that they used Bahuet's painting as being more correct than Reubens' work. However it's important to note that the painting I am searching for and this one are nearly 40 years apart and his style may have evolved. They seem reasonably close at this point though. I found this too, for anyone interested in a complete series of costumes made based on Gonzaga's marriage portrait: www.a-mantova.com/News/kingstudio.html It looks like the Toledo repro is in there too. For some reason this collection looks suspiciously familiar. E House wrote: > http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm > I couldn't find any info about it on their English > site (couldn't get the > Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try > emailing/writing them. Absolutely. I had found this too, but my only reservation is that in the past I have had extremely poor luck getting a reply to any of my queries in Italy. I have tried on repeated occasions to locate items, ask more information on a painting, all answered with silence. Most frustrating. Not that I won't bang my head yet again against this particular Italian wall... Becky wrote: The artist is also knows as Giovanni > Bahuet, a Renaissance > painter. The thing I find most odd about this is that this painter apparently worked in Gonzaga's court his entire career. My first thought was this was a woman from Vincenzo's childhood - his mother's court, but that isn't possible since his mother was Eleonora von Habsburg, from what I can find she is from the Viennese branch (looks like she was born in Wien?). *does a little rummaging* Ohhhhh.... I know who the Isabella is they are talking about. It's great-great grandma, Isabella d'Este (1474-1539), married to Francesco II Gonzaga (1466-1519). This puts this painting, and the rather young woman sitter right at the very last days of Isabella's life. Moreover, the painter's last name rings familiar to French, not Italian. And if he did such notable sitters, why does this painter not exist historically in his own right? He must've seriously annoyed someone to have been this well erased from history. Having read over the history of the mantova ducale, it mentions that a good portion of the paintings they have are not at all related to the history of the palace since Vincenzo II spent Mantua into oblivion. Now that I found the Isabella connection, it is indeed related, it just took several hours of rooting to find it. Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIUZDH005431 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIUS9D016365; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIOpYY006992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIOjFD092859; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIOgpC092794 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23604 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:52:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:52:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57CC4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO De and others wrote: > ... Giovanni Bahuet ... That would explain that! I wonder why an Italian book used the French form of the name. > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for > his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was > necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in > contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet > (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made > of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with > an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes > in the exhibition." Looks like that might be this? http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg The few other portraits by Bahuet I can find online are too small for me to get a sense of the style. But I'd be interested in knowing the date of the book that has the b/w version of the portrait. More than once I've seen 18th and 19th c. books show an engraving of a work and cite the work to the original artist -- often these reproductions are very faithful, and it's usually the face that gives it away. This makes sense before photography; however, sometimes these b/w engravings are reprinted in much later books, with the credit to the original artist, and no indication that it's essentially a redrawing. Ouch. Also, it's worth seeing if there's a list of image credits in the front or back of the book. This is more common in more recent books, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIVnEl005453 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIVg4w029458; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIVDnf007819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIV94a097453; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUIV42q097327 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 78708 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 18:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 18:30:58 -0000 Message-ID: <00aa01c60d6f$2ca5c470$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:30:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57D0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was there when they were shooting the movie. My husband and I walked out of our hotel across the little courtyard and into St. Mark's Square one morning, and there were folks in costume everywhere! We mused that it might be some sort of Italian "Renn" Faire (in another time period of course) or he even thought perhaps Venice always has people dressed in costume for tourists. Shortly afterwards, we found out that they were shooting a movie. Took a few more days to find out it was "Casanova" and didn't realize it featured Heath Ledger and Sienna Miller until we arrived back in the states. I took oodles of pictures of the extras, there was one little boy in particular who was absolutely darling in his period attire, but who was constantly torturing pigeons by kicking at them while they ate. Face of a saint, though. We took the tour of Casanova's cell and the Doge's palace, the day they were shooting scenes in front of it. It will be fun to reminisce since we watched a bit of the shooting. I did get a giggle out of everyone being in costume, what with me having left mine at home.... My DH and I will probably catch the movie on Monday. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Dickerson" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] "Casanova" > I saw it, and liked it as eye candy. It's not a time or place (1753, > Venice) that I know much about, but superficially the costumes seem OK > (and pretty). 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Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > I have to say that I've given up trying to "feel" out paintings. There > are more than a few that I've seen that individually "feel" like later > works (and I can't call any to mind at the moment, I'm sure that > they'll come to me -- ah, this one by Paris Bordone > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BordoneHandkerchief.jpg > has a Victorian feel to it, but so do many of his other works) but when > taken as a body of work, it's easy to see that it's probably just a > stylistic thing. It's still fun, even if I end up wrong. ;) The one you cited -- the skin tone on the hands vs. the chest & face is so different, I'm wondering if there's any chance it was redone at a later time? One of my favorite paintings had some rework done on it at some point -- St. Elegius and the lovers had a halo put on St. E. but it was taken off in conservation a few years ago. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:18:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJIfx8007038 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJIWv1032561; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJHEmn014199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJHAD2031292; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUJH9lL031227 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 76619 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 19:17:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IkMIw/fvfOuvc9raj/aIdbjtmv64E6cLrBZfgV2BETuft+BDW/P0sZw/+728ueCGNgIIE76NiaW+lQwUfoS4dXGCAYFK+ioLjedmrCwIB5QWR2qaB7maE4JeZPrwgMOuwv5NHJ8iRNZOLmHKVINCCOMHiVsBiyEExzJ46V/s/5g= ; Message-ID: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:17:03 EST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:17:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512301334.jBUDYmra098418@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B58808.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone on another list just presented a really compelling comparison: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm It supports the opinion that my version is a later copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The details have been exaggerated it would appear if this is true. One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as well. I'm gonna throw a reallllllly wild thought out there : would the "A" in the Jean Bahuet attribution have some relevance?! Doubtful, frankly. I think trying to unearth who this Bahuet guy is will give me most of the answers. I did find an Alfred-Louis Bahuet Born in Paris, France, 1862 listed as a largely unknown artist, but that's it. I have him listed in a collection that has him with their Engravings, Etchings, Lithographs and ­Prints. There is another one though. http://www.comanducci.it/english/Risultati.asp?Ricerca=bahuet Also shows a Jeannin Bahuet, in the 16th century. Okay, my head is spinnning. time to go have a shower and go see Narnia with my daughter. :-) Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:31:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJVTeA007330 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:31:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJVLKp004711; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJUnhD015678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJUkw3040771; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJUf4S040638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsPxH-0004og-29; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:23 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230133022.cp31i8nv8aow4oc0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > >> "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for >> his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was >> necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in >> contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet >> (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made >> of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with >> an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes >> in the exhibition." > > Looks like that might be this? > > http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg That would be it. This page http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm shows the original painting and the reconstructed costume. I'm pretty sure that I have some other things with similar sleeves -- I'll have to have a look and see. > > The few other portraits by Bahuet I can find online are too small for me > to get a sense of the style. But I'd be interested in knowing the date of > the book that has the b/w version of the portrait. More than once I've > seen 18th and 19th c. books show an engraving of a work and cite the work > to the original artist -- often these reproductions are very faithful, and > it's usually the face that gives it away. This makes sense before > photography; however, sometimes these b/w engravings are reprinted in much > later books, with the credit to the original artist, and no indication > that it's essentially a redrawing. Ouch. Yeah. I'm with you there. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:36:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJa06b007828 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:36:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJZrs7006222; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJYNoP016210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJYMpw043312; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:34:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJYIh0043191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:34:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsQ0o-0005Hm-3b; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:02 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:02 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230133402.a36xlwajtnqoswc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:02 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Kathy Page : > Susan wrote: > >> Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me >> about the book? > > Storia del costume in Italia by Rosita Levi Pisetzky. > Volume 3 or 4, IIRC. Milano : Istituto editoriale > italiano, 1964-1969 > > I can't wait to see if you can track down >> a color copy! > > Me too! It would help clarify an awful lot. > > ooooh. I've heard about that book. My university library doesn't have it, so it was going to have to come from ILL and I don't have the time to spend right now going through it! However, ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJoxKB008309 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJopQs011558; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJoT5w018442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJoQQQ055326; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJoMrD055196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsQGJ-0006Yd-Of; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:03 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:03 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230135003.xq28cjryvw5cskcs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:03 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Cynthia Virtue : > Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >> I have to say that I've given up trying to "feel" out paintings. There >> are more than a few that I've seen that individually "feel" like later >> works (and I can't call any to mind at the moment, I'm sure that >> they'll come to me -- ah, this one by Paris Bordone >> http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BordoneHandkerchief.jpg >> has a Victorian feel to it, but so do many of his other works) but when >> taken as a body of work, it's easy to see that it's probably just a >> stylistic thing. > > It's still fun, even if I end up wrong. ;) Oh, but yes! > > The one you cited -- the skin tone on the hands vs. the chest & face > is so different, I'm wondering if there's any chance it was redone at > a later time? You know, it could be. I had originally assumed that she was wearing gloves, but it doesn't appear to be so. Most of his other women's overall "shape" is boxier that this lady, but that could just be the play of the shadow as well. *sigh* I'd like to know where Bella got that particular image. Most of the Bordones that I have in my e-collection are B&W, so I don't know if they're still around or if nobody's done a recent "study" so we can have pretty color pictures. > > One of my favorite paintings had some rework done on it at some point > -- St. Elegius and the lovers had a halo put on St. E. but it was > taken off in conservation a few years ago. Some of the newer conservarion efforts are undoing the changes that had been done over the years. And you know there is still the occasional controversy over the restoration of the Sistine Chapel. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 15:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKFkcQ009928 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKFcEQ020071; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUKEjxb021652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:14:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUKEhAl072490; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUKEcmM072424 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B7110262808 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:14:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c60d7d$b594f8b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:14:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5956A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Laura. I am dying to se this movie, but it wont get to the danish cinemas until march, so i have to be patiente. My swedish friends of the gustavian society are going full dressed to the premiere opening in Stockholm later in january because the director is swedish. They were invited to come because they are so well dressed. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Dickerson" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Casanova" > I saw it, and liked it as eye candy. It's not a time or place (1753, > Venice) that I know much about, but superficially the costumes seem OK > (and pretty). I was curious to hear opinions about accuracy. > Laura Dickerson > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 15:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKKolg010422 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:20:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKKgLg021798; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:20:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUKKMRK022228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUKKKNG076407; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJvVJM060449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsQNC-00072Z-9j; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:10 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:10 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:10 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Kathy Page : > Someone on another list just presented a really > compelling comparison: > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm > > It supports the opinion that my version is a later > copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The > details have been exaggerated it would appear if this > is true. > One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori > apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as > well. *snippage* Allori was Bronzino's pupil -- and Bronzino was made his guardian as well so there was a close relationship between the two. In fact, if you see an attribution of Allesandro Bronzino, it is in fact Allori rather than Agnolo Bronzino who was the artist. He is known to have taken Bronzino's name from time to time. Here's a brief bio. http://www.wga.hu/bio/a/allori/alessand/biograph.html and one for Bronzino http://www.wga.hu/bio/b/bronzino/biograph.html Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM2TCY015411 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:02:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM2LgU030871; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUM1rmT035017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM1cQ5046397; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM1Wgi046314 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.212]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 61DD626285A for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:01:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c60d8c$9e3035e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512301335.jBUDYmrc098418@net.indra.com> <8C7DB721CE5B918-444-677C@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Christmas presents Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:01:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:02:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5AE6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Tara, How typpical of me to compleately misunderstand everything. I think i have learned now :-) Thanks Tara............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Christmas presents > Bjarne, I think you're a little mixed up. I sent you your gift, but you > were supposed to send a gift to someone else. You sent it before I > e-mailed you, so I'm sure the correct person got the lovely little > purse... sigh.... > > I got a wonderful Elizabethan hat, though! I think it's called a tall hat > with an arched brim. It's made of black velvet, and it may be just the > spur I need to finally make myself an upper-class Elizabethan. I also got > some gorgeous fabric scraps and some great pictures of my Santa and some > costumes she has made. Unfortunately, I'm at work as I write this and the > stuff with her name on it is at home, so I've forgotten who it was. I do > plan to send her a nice long e-mail of thanks, just as soon as my in-laws > go home. :) > > Tea Rose/Tara Broadway > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:06:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM6NWa015602 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:06:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM6FUo032175; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUM5aVH035424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM5aQu048863; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM5XIF048832 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.212]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BED26283E for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:05:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Hi, I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at the top, where is the rest? Is it laced at the back? http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Someone on another list just presented a really > compelling comparison: > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm > > It supports the opinion that my version is a later > copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The > details have been exaggerated it would appear if this > is true. > One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori > apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as > well. I'm gonna throw a reallllllly wild thought out > there : would the "A" in the Jean Bahuet attribution > have some relevance?! Doubtful, frankly. I think > trying to unearth who this Bahuet guy is will give me > most of the answers. I did find an Alfred-Louis Bahuet > Born in Paris, France, 1862 listed as a largely > unknown artist, but that's it. I have him listed in a > collection that has him with their Engravings, > Etchings, Lithographs and ­Prints. > > There is another one though. > http://www.comanducci.it/english/Risultati.asp?Ricerca=bahuet > Also shows a Jeannin Bahuet, in the 16th century. > > Okay, my head is spinnning. time to go have a shower > and go see Narnia with my daughter. :-) > > Kathy > > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:16:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMGoEO016166 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:16:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMGhoJ003058; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:16:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMFpjT036817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMFnJ8054934; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMFkwC054816 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:15:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:15:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the Internet for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than I knew about and still now that are this one picture. I''ve looked under all Renaissance artists around 1540 and not look close. It looks like the Flemish artists and Ruebens paiintings but not the same background treatment. So as an art teacher, this has me baffled. I'd like to know more about the Renaissance Period of art is my favorite. I have lots to learn about the clothing of that time. So now it has become a mission to learn more about this wonderful period of art. Please keep us informed about this painting. Where did you get the picture? Can you write the publisher for more information? Maybe they can refer you to the original owner or museum. It's worth a trty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> Someone on another list just presented a really >> compelling comparison: >> >> http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg >> http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm >> >> It supports the opinion that my version is a later >> copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The >> details have been exaggerated it would appear if this >> is true. >> One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori >> apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as >> well. > > *snippage* > > Allori was Bronzino's pupil -- and Bronzino was made his guardian as > well so there was a close relationship between the two. In fact, if > you see an attribution of Allesandro Bronzino, it is in fact Allori > rather than Agnolo Bronzino who was the artist. He is known to have > taken Bronzino's name from time to time. > > Here's a brief bio. > http://www.wga.hu/bio/a/allori/alessand/biograph.html > and one for Bronzino > http://www.wga.hu/bio/b/bronzino/biograph.html > > Jerusha > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:22:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMMqN5016256 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:22:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMMie3004891; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMM43X037533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMM1x1058875; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s1.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s1.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMLxdY058793 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.56.83]) by omc1-s1.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:21:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:21:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Was there a specific area of Europe that had this kind of slashing and ribbon flaps The hair style might be a clue to it's origins. I never had to look so close to clothing before. I'm making a Renaissance costume for myself but now I don't know what period I want to reconstruct. I have 10 yards of a wine velvet with gold arebesque scrolls all over it. I am looking for a more glamour damask or brocade for the front panel. Any suggestions? I like the puffy sleeves and the chemise showing through. I don't like the high necklines of the later periods, and am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some said earlier. I want to make sure the hat and hair match the period of my dress. I like the hair pulled back and the bejeweled snoods but also the French cap with the veil (the one that looks like an upturned duck bill, but with embellishments to make it richly decorated). Anyone got a picture that might inspire me and guide me to a magnificant costume.. BEFORE I cut my fabric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? > -----Original Message----- >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > << seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. At worst it is a forgery, but that > is less likely than the alternatives. At best it is indeed c. 1540, and > just > an unusual style for the time. A citation for the book you found this in, > with year, might be useful. > I can't find Jean Bahuet in my dictionary of artists, nor on a websearch, > save in 18th and 19th c. geneaologies, which might of course be referring > to some other Jean Bahuet(s). > > --Robin>>>>>> > *** > Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many of his paintings are > in > a private collection in Mantua. > http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/march_04/gallery_center.htm > l > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for his > 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was necessary > to > recreate a costume which is described at length in contemporary chronicles > and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet (private Collection, Mantua) > and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made of white satin, embroidered > gold, > silver, and pearls and topped with an ermine cape, it is the most lavish > and > costly of all the costumes in the exhibition." > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:23:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMNPPB016264 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:23:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMNHvc010859; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:23:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMMnaL037654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMMmtW059332; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUMMOKg059107 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 3611 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 14:22:23 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3603, pid: 3604, t: 3.8813s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 14:22:19 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:22:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm > >Bjarne My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the actual closure is by hooks and eyes. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:49:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMn77p017441 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:49:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMn0b9012992; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:49:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMhdTb040116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMhZsu071446; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMhTj1071331 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-67-101-53-168.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[67.101.53.168]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20051230224321113005vjope>; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:43:22 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051230143600.02054ca8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <200512302222.jBUMMn0Y059341@net.indra.com> References: <200512302222.jBUMMn0Y059341@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5B95C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip some space : : : : : : : : : : : : At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to see her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:00:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUN0SNF018338 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:00:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUN0K6T015834; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:00:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUN00Bq042225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMxuXX080373; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMxqg7080267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsTDc-0002js-Al; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:28 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:28 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Becky : > This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the > Internet for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than > I knew about and still now that are this one picture. Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in Italy. http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 Gorgeous book -- lots of paintings that I've never seen any where else. In fact, most of them I'd never seen before. This painting http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/byswr is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. It's almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently under discussion. This other painting http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoWorkshop_PortraitWoman-landinFig57.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/dunbm is attributed to "Workshop of Bronzino" Susan, Florentine junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNSNWX019416 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:28:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNSF4w022379; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:28:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUNRpZk045592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNRm9g095448; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNRjI5095397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsTeX-0004S4-NN; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:27:17 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:27:17 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230172717.4vrsqsk9qjkgwk0g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:27:17 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Becky : > Was there a specific area of Europe that had this kind of slashing > and ribbon flaps The hair style might be a clue to it's origins. > I never had to look so close to clothing before. I flunked Art History as a college freshman a hundred years or so ago; but I've learned more in the past few years looking at paintings for clothing details. *snippage* > Anyone got a picture that might inspire me and guide me to a > magnificant costume.. BEFORE I cut my fabric. There are 2 sets of web sites to see -- both have Italian Gallieries, but neither one of them cover the Florentine period from 1550-1580 like the "Mda a Firenza" book does. The first is Jen Thompson's Festive Attyre. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/index.html You want the first four pages under Image Galleries -- she does have a "working woman" from 1575-1600 Gallery that I had forgotten about. Most of her stuff is oriented towards Florentine Fashion. The "court" galleries cover the period from 1475-1550. If you want to go the Venetian route (and I don't care for the later period Venetian fashion), you need Bella's site. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/wardrobe.htm Here she has galleries that span 1490 to post 1600. I really like the early Venetian stuff. And do poke around both of those sites. I just included the link for the top of the "Gallery Stuff." If this is the style that you like, do get a copy of "Moda a Firenza." ILL it first if you're not sure that you want to spend the money. I still like Tudor and early Elizabethan -- and I want to make Viking, and a bliaut (whatever it really was) and a GFD -- but my heart has been stolen by Venetian and Florentine fashion. There are another couple of books that folks reference for the Italian Renaissance -- one is by Birbari. I looked at this one, and decided it wasn't for me. It was earlier than my primary focus. The other one is by Jacqueline Herald -- it's *wonderful* There's a set of books at my university library (in Italian) by C. Bestetti, C. (published in 1962.) Abbigliamento e costume nella pittura italiana: Rinascimento. Or maybe it was this set by Pirovano (pub 1987) La pittura in Italia. (these are done by century) Unfortunately, most of the paintings in here are in B/W (as in the two other books). Bernard Berenson has some nice books -- agian mostly B/W; Italian pictures of the renaissance: Venetian School; Italian pictures of the renaissance: Florentine School; and Central I talian and north Italian pictures of the renaissance. Other books that have some nice Italian paintings in them (in addition to books about specific artists) Brown, D.A. 2001. Virtue and Beauty: Leonardo’s Ginerva de’ Benci and renaissance portraits of Women. Campbell, L. 1990. Renaissance portraits: European portrait-painting in the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. Thornton, P. 1991. the Italian Renaissance Interiors: 1400-1600 Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:44:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNioGm019701 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNigh1026729; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUNgdjm047416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNgbvU003439; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNgYKf003412 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.156] (pm5-156.eos.net [205.133.149.156]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBUNgW1E006615 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:42:32 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:31:24 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512302019.jBUKIvqi075412@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Duke of Mantua costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5C66B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO on 12/30/05 4:19 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >> "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for >> his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was >> necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in >> contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet >> (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made >> of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with >> an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes >> in the exhibition." > > Looks like that might be this? > > http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg WOW!!! Thanks for posting that. And Deredere, thanks for posting your photos from the museum. That must be a wonderful exhibit to see in person! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:54:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNsGvu019842 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNs9TA029243; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUNrZ2Q048739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNrY6S009195; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNrVca009179 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1684234wra for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cL7sGfDyPgmfRSSt21RPzReHG5dwVKXbpYxqxOoaC079cqy5XOhRfiFpfOi2p3RKVE0sKxyRxE1GAwcU3QUkm7nb7aTRkgDEUXuFJ8NGwFdTLwvyjOuRv2ZQPC/ql8Vua377riQaoDdxDzVQZfZmydmcRhrQnFnV1YKFoR8NkW4= Received: by 10.65.137.4 with SMTP id p4mr3684991qbn; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:30 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO >I don't know how much this will help, but here's the museum mentioned in the >caption as its home: >http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm >I couldn't find any info about it on their English site (couldn't get the >Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try emailing/writing them. I was at both the Palazzo Te & Palazzo Ducale in Mantova this summer. I was not impressed with the collection or the staff in either location. There was no catalog for sale either. Apparently the Gonzaga heirs quietly got rid of/ sold off all the stuff. There's nearly nothing remaining of the once vast collections. The city owns both palazzos and runs one as a museum, the other as a semi-outdoor concert space. There had been one the nite before; the place was absolutely trashy. Some of the frescoes remain, others are in the early stages of restoration. A whole lot of work remains. Someday it will be a lovely site, I hope. As for the paintings, the gown is quite similar to most every other one in the 1560s. I'm sure you'll find something equally wonderful, if not more so. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 19:29:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV0TJWX020848 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV0TBJ5005447; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV0SjVa052788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV0Sg0E026592; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV0SMrf026380 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231002816.UFLR22847.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:16 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.187.125]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231002816.LZAN16143.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:16 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20051231002815.JGVF27457.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:15 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:19 +1300 Message-ID: <009101c60da1$19b16630$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO http://www.vivoscuola.it/us/dlllsn3095/alad/030527.htm A quick search for bahuet and ritratto found this. No more info, but it gives an Italian spelling of his name. He seems to be variously called Giovanni and Gioninni. Jeannin and Jean would be the French spellings of his name. It all makes sense, in English it would be John;) Or some diminuitive? The original imge looks like it just had the wrong date for it. Possibly it was also taken from a photogravure. It's an early photogrpahic process that is a little grainier. I have several books from the start of the 20thC that uses this process. http://www.curtis-collection.com/process.html http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/photography/processframe.php?processid=pr017 > Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of > these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence > of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. > It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL > copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in > Italy. Sigh, I so need to get this book out on ILL. I "do" German and Netherlands, but it's always exciting to see good clear images from other countries as well. > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > http://tinyurl.com/dunbm Thanks for those:) Actually I spotted a few more in that style on bildindex. I did a search for bildnis with the date ranges 1500 - 1600 and trawled through over 3000 images;) http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/be00068a05a.jpg Niederlande?, Bildnis der Lavinia Fontana, 1501/1600?, Bild, Brüssel, Sammlung unbekannt http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00235e12a.jpg Bronzino, Agnolo (Zuschreibung), Bildnis einer Dame, Bild, Berlin, Sammlung Schmidt, Carl (?) http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_2577027b.jpg Bronzino, Agnolo (Nachahmer), Bildnis einer Frau / Bildnis einer Frau (Bianca Capello?), Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 3473 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/it00148g08a.jpg Bronzino, Agnolo, Bildnis einer adeligen Dame, Bild, Florenz, Galleria degli Uffizi, Pinacoteca Ya, got me, she's not at all dressed the smae;) I just like her partlet. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO Thank you so much for sharing ...what wonderful gowns and what a great way to display them. What museum is this? 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Status: RO Quoting michaela : *snippage* > >> Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of >> these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence >> of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. >> It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL >> copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in >> Italy. > > Sigh, I so need to get this book out on ILL. I "do" German and Netherlands, > but it's always exciting to see good clear images from other countries as > well. > > >> http://tinyurl.com/byswr >> http://tinyurl.com/dunbm > > Thanks for those:) Actually I spotted a few more in that style on bildindex. > I did a search for bildnis with the date ranges 1500 - 1600 and trawled > through over 3000 images;) Cool. I haven't figured out how to search that site yet. At one time, I was pointed to an enormous collection of Sofonisba Anguissola paintings there, but everything that I pull up on her now from that site has much fewer paintings. How did you set up your search? > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/be00068a05a.jpg > Niederlande?, Bildnis der Lavinia Fontana, 1501/1600?, Bild, Brüssel, > Sammlung unbekannt I like Lavinia. :-) the gown is black, the underskirt is gold, and those are pearls on her sleeves. > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00235e12a.jpg > Bronzino, Agnolo (Zuschreibung), Bildnis einer Dame, Bild, Berlin, Sammlung > Schmidt, Carl (?) One very similar to this on is in the book (attributed to Pulzone) -- looks like the same face. The body of the gown looks like it might be needlepoint or cross-stitch in the book image. > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_2577027b.jpg > Bronzino, Agnolo (Nachahmer), Bildnis einer Frau / Bildnis einer Frau > (Bianca Capello?), Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 3473 There's one similar to this by Allori. The sleeve puffs are different -- in the Allori portrait, they're not lined up. The fabric in the Allori portrait is black with a gold stripe in it. > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/it00148g08a.jpg > Bronzino, Agnolo, Bildnis einer adeligen Dame, Bild, Florenz, Galleria degli > Uffizi, Pinacoteca > Ya, got me, she's not at all dressed the smae;) I just like her partlet. This one is in color in the book. Isn't that partlet just too cool? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:03:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV23eC8024606 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV23WNB028411; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV22mNT064323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV22imU072715; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav7.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV22fG6072678 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:02:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:02:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO My daughter LOVES the blue one with the lace collar or frilly collar. Do you have a complete view of that one? I love the picture of Elenora http://www.polistampa.com/asp/se.asp?id=106. That is how I want the top of my dress. Thanks for the link I will go see if I can find it at the local bookstores... we have so many around here. One might actually have the book or be able to get it for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Becky : > >> This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the Internet >> for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than I knew about >> and still now that are this one picture. > > Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of > these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence > of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. > It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL > copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in > Italy. > > http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 > > Gorgeous book -- lots of paintings that I've never seen any where else. In > fact, most of them I'd never seen before. > > This painting > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > > is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. It's > almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently > under discussion. This other painting > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoWorkshop_PortraitWoman-landinFig57.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/dunbm > is attributed to "Workshop of Bronzino" > > Susan, Florentine junkie > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV27MIU024652 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV27F8H029298; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV26nX7064734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV26miV074621; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV26jHU074592 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF935D69F for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:06:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051230173810.0375fa80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:05:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5E7D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all I am just now catching up on emails, and still have a lot to go through. To Ruth Ann, you are most welcome. I hadn't made anything like that before, and I really enjoyed making your gift, that I am going to make one for me, too, ... someday. I received the Secret Santa gift from Katheryne Grossberg that came in today. She sent me a beautiful silk knitted purse, 2oz of hand dyed romney wool from red onion skins, a box of miniature ornaments, and they all came wrapped in a bit of fabric that will go great with a costume idea I've been collecting fabric for that will get into three dimensional fabric imaging (flames, lots of flames.) Thank you so very much Katheryne! I really love the gifts you sent. I did a little happy dance that made my husband and friends look at me funny. As for what else I got for Christmas that is costume related... not much. My husband got me garnet earrings and a garnet and opal bracelet from my favorite jewelry store (The Dragon's Treasure - www.dragont.com). They will go well with my faire costume, and for special nights out. Otherwise, I mostly got gift certificates and cash that I've spent buying costume and embroidery books. Even with a wish list on Amazon.com, people are scared I won't like what they chose for me. These are the costume or faire related books I just ordered. They are all in transit, so I hope they will come in next week or sooner, like yesterday! _Nineteenth-Century Fashion in Detail_ by Lucy Johnston _Pleasures and Pastimes in Tudor England_ by Alison Sim _Hispanic Costume, 1480 - 1530_ by Ruth Matilda Anderson _German Renaissance Patterns for Embroidery (1568)_ Nicholas Bassee _The New Carolingian Modelbook, Counted Embroidery Patterns From Before 1600_ by Kim Brody Salazar For us, the main gifts are for our kids, and they got plenty. My son so loves Thomas the Tank Engine and he got plenty on that. I also made his first Christmas stocking with a Santa Pooh Bear. I have to finish my husbands, and then come up with something for me and for our daughter. Speaking of which, my little girl is up and needing my attention. Happy New Year everyone!! Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ot8R025948 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ol8s030882; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV2oRme069759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2oRvm095238; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2nsYM094912 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISC00AL6D6ZBL7A@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5F207.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hooks and eyes? This is Francesco de Medici, Cosimo I de Medici and Eleonora de Toledo's oldest son. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a .htm > >Bjarne My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the actual closure is by hooks and eyes. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ot3N025947 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ol7Q007040; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV2oNrT069747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2oKcg095181; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2oGDc095107 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISC00AL6D6ZBL7A@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Duke of Mantua costume In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5F207.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw this costume in New York . It was pretty spectacular. Janet Cox Rearick was the organizer of the exhibit. It also had the famous black white gold Eleonora of Toledo gown and Federico Gonzaga outfit among others. The fabric was amazing the reproduced it for the exhibit... Sigh.... The women in charge of the exhibit let me play with the Eleonora gown....Double sigh... Dame Catriona Mac Duff. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Duke of Mantua costume on 12/30/05 4:19 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >> "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for >> his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was >> necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in >> contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet >> (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made >> of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with >> an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes >> in the exhibition." > > Looks like that might be this? > > http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg WOW!!! Thanks for posting that. And Deredere, thanks for posting your photos from the museum. That must be a wonderful exhibit to see in person! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 22:10:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3AvBp026637 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:10:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3Ai8Y012340; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV3AH5A072378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV3AFWQ004535; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBV3AC1k004480 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5M7WAARQYDRJ for (sender ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDH3QM7C; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:35 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:08:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Hooks and eyes are a perfectly period closing for the 16th century- why wouldn't Francesco de Medici have a doublet that closed with hooks and eyes? Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500 monica spence writes: > Hooks and eyes? This is Francesco de Medici, Cosimo I de Medici and > Eleonora > de Toledo's oldest son. > Dame Catriona MacDuff > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Joan Jurancich > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this > painting? > > > At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. > >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at > >the top, where is the rest? > >Is it laced at the back? > > > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb 81a > .htm > > > >Bjarne > > My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the > actual closure is by hooks and eyes. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 22:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3LVas027563 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3LNGk014689; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV3L7Up073538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:21:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV3L69W009175; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV3L23R009151 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:21:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:21:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:21:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest I've found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of pattern I'd need to make it? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Becky : > >> This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the Internet >> for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than I knew about >> and still now that are this one picture. > > Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of > these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence > of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. > It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL > copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in > Italy. > > http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 > > Gorgeous book -- lots of paintings that I've never seen any where else. In > fact, most of them I'd never seen before. > > This painting > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > > is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. It's > almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently > under discussion. This other painting > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoWorkshop_PortraitWoman-landinFig57.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/dunbm > is attributed to "Workshop of Bronzino" > > Susan, Florentine junkie > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 23:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4IhVI030804 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:18:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4IZID030608; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV4HtuJ080135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4HqHu035785; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4Hl3a035722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV5tXjL009857 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:55:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:20:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512302320.48312.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:18:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6069B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 27 December 2005 10:05 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > "A Perfect Red," by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used > > in textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) > > "Mauve," by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular > > dye) > > I heard an interview with the author of "Mauve" on NPR when the book first > came out -- it sounded fascinating. I hadn't heard of the Red book; let us > know how these are! I will. I've started "Red" and it looks somewhat lightweight and more interested in the politics of cochineal importation than I wanted. I have higher hopes for "Mauve." -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 23:54:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4sA1u031492 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:54:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4s2Al007121; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:54:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV4rBNu083452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4rAS9050715; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4r3Z6050658 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m142.in-tch.com [216.166.191.142]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBV4j4b12591 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:45:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Hi, Becky. That is an amazing portrait, isn't it? I got to spend some time with the book this summer (ILL is *such* a gift from the costuming/research gods!), and got some scans of it. I'd use the pattern taken from the extant "Eleanor," if I were doing the dress in the portrait. It's in Janet Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion, 1560-1620_. Similar dresses show up in Alcega, if I'm not mistaken (it's been years since I've looked at my copy). Alcega and Arnold would also be pretty good sources for ideas on how to make the overgown/surcoat. You might check out the Realmofvenus website (not sure of exact web addy, but someone else might have it). The owner/host specializes in Italian stuff--more heavily oriented towards Venetian, but lotses and lotses of yummy ideas, nonetheless! Good luck with the outfit! --Sue, still tempted to rejoin the "dark side" of 1500 ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest I've > found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of pattern > I'd need to make it? > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 23:58:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4wbEg031714 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4wTJ9008246; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV4wGJe084113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4wGYe052885; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4wCvm052838 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XTdHVMlmg9tgNgVR0DN6iw7GxK45JjJzzQUraQNSu3oPBwQCoXOEVZVS2Y86kXRq; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.93.51] (helo=camelot01) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsYok-0006Y5-3P for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:58:32 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYNxtjBKC2RJiT2Tai+6+P76bxo0g== Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120a4c074d5b225a2ec818c71f27429a83ba14edb6c4c3f426e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.93.51 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas presents X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B60FF5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have to chime in here and thank my secret Santa-Stephen--- for the lovely trim. Although He apologized for being late, the package came at just the right time: Christmas Eve around four in the afternoon. I have not decided what to do with the French trim yet and fortunately (or unfortunately) one of my best friends saw the roll of blue with silver trim and is trying to claim it for her wedding gown she wants me to make for her. We'll see: I have some lovely blue velvet that I am envisioning a new gown with that trim for myself. Thank you very much Stephen. I will try to get pictures so you can see what I end up making with the trims. And, Tara, the hat was made by me. I hope you like it. I feel totally inadequate compared to the rest of the members on this list. Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 00:01:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV51sHA031821 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:01:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV51kbV009308; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:01:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV5115Z084534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV5107t054107; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV50vCl053977 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6547047 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:00:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c60dc7$3b46b360$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen thispainting? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:01:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:01:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B610BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>>You might check out the Realmofvenus website (not sure of exact web addy, but someone else might have it). The owner/host specializes in Italian stuff--more heavily oriented towards Venetian, but lotses and lotses of yummy ideas, nonetheless!<<<< Here is the url for the site. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 00:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV5gO54000810 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV5gDlD019956; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV5fRWb088523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV5fNu1070955; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBV5fLYr070890 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 20742 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 05:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 05:41:15 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051230233744.02268db8@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:40:22 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Secret Santa and Christmas Gifts In-Reply-To: <20051230132553.22131.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200512300222.jBU2M9BP082611@net.indra.com> <20051230132553.22131.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B61A35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The highway billboard showed Kay Shelton smiling proudly and saying: >My Secret Santa, Justin Barrett, sent me a lovely >purse made from black silk with beautiful butterflies >on it and containing a very useful small pair of >scissors. Thank you, Justin! Um.. That's actually me... Genie Barrett. Don't know how you got his name.... GRIN >snip >This year I'm looking at moving into Victorian. So he >gave me What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew >by Daniel Pool, Awesome book! I read it from cover to cover, as it was a library book, and wish I had it for a reference every time I read a book from the time period now. I'll have to get myself a copy one of these days. Have a great new year, and one can never have too many pairs of scissors. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 01:06:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV661Sc001192 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:06:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV65pX9025643; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:05:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV64utJ090487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV64s6u079937; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV64ps1079921 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8E3933AF3 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:05:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B61FBF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Don't worry, everything will work out. The melons on a platter was what I originally thought you were saying you wanted when you said low neckline. I now understand that you were wanting the average neckline. Please look through the sites given and you will find that most of the gowns are not high neckline. Besides the two "Italian" sites recommended to peruse for style, time, and location, here are a few paintings non Italia. for ideas. A bit early, 1535, Saxony. http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/7/04prince.html The puff and slash look is very Saxon early 1500s. 1505 http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=620 French 1540(?) http://www.picassomio.com/poster/c9250,i142938/en/ This is from the Realm of Venice site http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Music1560s.jpg You mentioned wine colored velvet with scroll/arabesque. Perhaps this style would be nice. or this http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fresco2.JPG Good Luck with your gown. De -----Original Message----- Was there a specific area of Europe that had this kind of slashing and ribbon flaps The hair style might be a clue to it's origins. I never had to look so close to clothing before. I'm making a Renaissance costume for myself but now I don't know what period I want to reconstruct. I have 10 yards of a wine velvet with gold arebesque scrolls all over it. I am looking for a more glamour damask or brocade for the front panel. Any suggestions? I like the puffy sleeves and the chemise showing through. I don't like the high necklines of the later periods, and am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some said earlier. I want to make sure the hat and hair match the period of my dress. I like the hair pulled back and the bejeweled snoods but also the French cap with the veil (the one that looks like an upturned duck bill, but with embellishments to make it richly decorated). Anyone got a picture that might inspire me and guide me to a magnificant costume.. BEFORE I cut my fabric. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 02:15:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7F0Ct004561 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:15:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7EjQB010098; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:14:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV7E80H097007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7E5pv007415; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7E1BJ007397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-217-240-235.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.217.240.235]:62397 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Esaw7-0004He-4w for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:13:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:14:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B62FE5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I should have chimed in earlier: Helen Pinto sent me a lovely Christmas gift! A beautiful pair of earrings, some matching freshwater pearls, in the neatest decorated paper box. I'll have to take pictures; I can't possibly describe it. Thank you again, Helen! I'm still waiting on the rest of my costume related gifts. One is this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-2702716-3235141 along with several other costume books from my long wish list; I just don't know which yet. My Christmas present to _me_ is 16 meters of the most beeyootiful gold-on-red damask which is shipping from the UK and will probably be here sometime around Valentine's day. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 02:58:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7wXkP012774 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:58:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7wPhX019920; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV7vuIA001263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7vtRw027411; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7vqRF027394 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3515D4D1 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:57:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051230235110.0377e5c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:53:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> References: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:58:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B63A21.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:13 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >I'm still waiting on the rest of my costume related gifts. One is this: >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-2702716-3235141 Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor And Stuart Period Finds C. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside Sites in Southwark (The Way We Were) (Paperback) by Geoff Egan Oh? I hadn't seen this one before, and it isn't released yet I see. Would you mind telling us more about what you know about the book? Thank you. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 03:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV8sSRU029190 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV8sKBM031762; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV8rWHg011876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV8rTtU049100; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV8rQnC049087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-217-240-235.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.217.240.235]:62903 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EscUP-0004gJ-4g for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:53:25 -0600 Message-ID: <016901c60de7$a96e1c50$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.1.2.0.20051230235110.0377e5c0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:53:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6473C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know much more about it than what shows up on Amazon and on Oxbow, except that Robin Netherton asked the publisher about it, and heard that they're hoping to get it out by the end of the year. Hopefully it will be close to that, because I'm very impatient! Here's the Oxbow description: "Material culture in London in an age of transition is a major new illustrated catalogue of a rare assemblage of items from the Tudor and Stuart periods, mostly from waterlogged riverside sites. Objects of leather, bone, wood and glass as well as metal (with metallurgical analyses) include clothing and accessories; household equipment, fixtures and fittings; and items attesting writing, reading and leisure pursuits, as well as textile working, non-ferrous and ferrous metalworking, leather working, woodworking, bone, antler and glass working, ship building and fishing. There are weights; coins, tokens and jettons; pilgrim souvenirs and secular badges; horse equipment, arms and armour fragments. The discussion considers specific chronological trends as well as more general aspects of production, trade and changing styles." -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 04:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV9aZ7u006823 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:36:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV9aR69010665; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:36:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV9aAKT025681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV9a8Ci066306; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV9a5qG066273 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29492 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:03:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:03:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <016901c60de7$a96e1c50$e800a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:36:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6511B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, E House wrote, about Geoff Egan's new Tudor artifacts book: > I don't know much more about it than what shows up on Amazon and on > Oxbow, except that Robin Netherton asked the publisher about it, and > heard that they're hoping to get it out by the end of the year. And now you all know what I know ;-) We'll be reviewing it in the next issue of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, along with a bunch of other new releases, most of which have been mentioned here already. One that hasn't is a new history of the Mercers' Company of London, by Anne Sutton: https://www.ashgate.com/shopping/title.asp?key1=&key2=&orig=results&isbn=0%207546%205331%205 At that price, not for everyone! I just got my review copy and am saving it for my trip to Portland in March. I'll have 8 hours of plane travel each way, so I should be able to make a dent in it. (It's 670 pages, and not large type either.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 06:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBlq3j006163 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:47:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBljIT012754; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVBlEJb038699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBlA9O025083; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBl6kN025016 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D22131970C for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:47:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:47:02 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More info museum pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:47:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B66FE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Some more info on the pictures http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html It was great to see the clothing. They were so tiny! But maby I am just tall. In F1 you see me standing beside a dress. And the stiches were much smaller than my machine can make them. Most of the costumes where displayd so that you can see all sides. I can't wait to next year when I hopefully go to the Kyoto museum. Willet-Holthuysen museum It is a small museum in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It is in a 17th century canalside house on the Gentelmans Canal. It is a special exebithion that runs to the 22 of January. The Willet-Holthuysen museum is part of the Amsterdam Historical Museum. http://www.willetholthuysen.nl/tentoonstelling.php?id=8 The book from the exebition is called " Rijk Gekleed, van doopjurk tot baljapon 1750-1940" by Annemarie Dekker ISBN 90 68683985 it is in Dutch. Publisher http://www.thoth.nl/. All the clothing are real and not reproductions. Most of the pieces are given to the Amsterdam Historical museum from private collections. I tried to translate some info on the costumes. A1-3 Robe a la francaise 1755-1760 West European, Handpainted silk. More than 80 different flowers, 11 butterflies, some insects and a bird. The interesting thing about this dress is that the painting is not random but carefully placed on the pattern pieces. B1-7 Robe a la Francaise 1770 Silk with woven stripes and embroidered flowers. Body lined in linnen C1 Robe a la Francaise 1775 (altered Around 1900 used for costume balls) Silk with woven pattern. It is made shorter and the bodice a bit looser. But basic shape is left intact D1 Robe al la langlaise 1770 (altered around 1900 used for costume balls) This gown has changed a lot! E1-4 Robe a la Francaise 1780 Silk with satin applique petticoat and stomacher are not the original. In the musee Les Arts Decorative in paris is a simular gown wich is complete. F1-2 1750-1775 Ribsilk, top part body lined with linnen G1 European stamped cotton lined in linnen H1-H6 Robe al la langlaise 1780 (silk 1760) (Gebrocheerde)?? silk damast, Tablier?? woolen lining, body lined in linnen. Probably Altered from a gown from 1760 I1 Two piece dress 1795-1800 Hand painted cotton Probably an alteration from a Robe a la Francaise from 1770 J1 1795-1800 Silk damast from 1750-1760 Altered K1-2 1795-1800 Silk embroidered with gold en silver thread and sprangles lined in linnen Silk from 1785-1790 Altered Sorry forgot to take pictures of whole dress :-[ . It is in the book. L1-10 Empire dress 1800-1815 Cotton batist Note the very tiny seams. About 3mm. La1 Lb1 I don't have any information from these dresses M1 Stamped cotton 1838 N1-4 Changeant silk with woven stripes. 1840 Note. Front is knife pleated back is carderidge pleated. Na1 No information O1-2 Silk woven stripes, cotton lining 1847 From Geertruide Springer-ten Cate (1819-1902) Note. Front is knife pleated back is carderidge pleated. P1-2 P2 is on the bottom of page stamped cotton 1855 Q1-2 three piece dress 1865 Tafetta silk *machine embroidered!* R1-4 1870 Linnen S1-4 three piece bustle gown 1873 Cotton, brodery anglaise T1-4 wool and taft silk U1 No info on adult dress Childs dress 1880-1890 Ribsilk cotton lining V1-3 silk 1895 Body and skirt don't belong togheter. W1 Velvet, oistrich feathers Original it had short puffy sleaves but was alered to wear the gown for a different ocasion. Lacing in the back X1-3 ribsilk 1902 Y1-2 silk voile woven flower motif, machine made lace. Uw1-Uw3 Corsets 1875-1900 Uw4-5 Dobble crinoline 1865 Cotton with metal hoops. It is one small hoopskirt for walking and trevaling. And a "tail" piece that is attached to buttons on the smaller crinoline for evening and ball dresses. The circumference is 3,5meter Uw6 Under skirt 1725-1775 Linnen 1M Empire 1800-1815 silk with linnen, Linnen lining 1M2-3-4-6 1770-1810 1M5 Habit a la francaise 1800 Velvet, silverthread, silk sprangles (Coat) Silk with linnen lining (trousers) Satin, silverthread, Sprangles linnen and silk lining (vest) 1M7 1780-1790 Silk, laken silk lining Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 06:52:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBqRDU007090 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:52:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBqIDt014361; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:52:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVBprEX039036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBprhC026972; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBpUxg026825 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4622733AEB for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:51:29 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:51:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:52:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B670F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The high collar is a part of the partlet. She is wearing a kind of coat over a gown. Something a kin to this ensemble. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/countesslivia.JPG or this http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg only a little more fitted in the bodice region. Will this be a problem? There is this pattern that can be adapted http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/loosegowns.html and I know there are some dress diaries online that deal with making the "coat" (sorry it's my bed time and brain is shutting down) Note just because a dress is a solid color does not necessarily mean you can't use your material to make that style, unless you are entering is in a competition where authenticity is a part of the score. De Whos not sure she's making sense. -----Original Message----- I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest I've found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of pattern I'd need to make it? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 08:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVDtceL023543 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVDtSOn012795; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVDsn2P050107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVDsiDt078255; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVDse1V078173 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:54:34 -0800 Message-ID: <43B68DA2.8050002@msn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:42 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 13:54:34.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB0B4A30:01C60E11] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B68DD0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on this site that I've not seen before: One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm Wish I'd known that boy! (Ahem! Did I say that outloud?) Very cool...sure would love to see the colored ones! There are several other interesting areas, but one of the easiest ways to get to some of these is here: http://www.kleio.org/frauenrenaissance.html Click on the person of interest and then look for links (especially those with the abbreviations Abb. #) Sg Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >> How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >> the top, where is the rest? >> Is it laced at the back? >> >> http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm >> >> >> Bjarne > > > My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the > actual closure is by hooks and eyes. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 10:22:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFMfns025588 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFMXn0003705; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVFM6PM057943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVFM2Zh014887; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVFLxdh014857 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBVFLu1E000521 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:21:57 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:10:57 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aQ066313@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: memling book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6A239.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Has anyone seen the book "Memling's Portraits"? It's a catalogue of an exhibit at the Frick Museum, which I just heard about today. Today is the last day of the show, which is a traveling exhibit of 30 Memling portraits making its only US stop. The Frick's website lists the book in its shop section, but doesn't say how much it is. There are about 8 or 9 images of the portraits on the site. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 10:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFZ7v5026436 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFZ0UY006974; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVFYVdT059091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVFYTKS020539; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVFYQoT020463 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48317 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 15:34:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EOxUaBugOKaXsA29YGYMqDsxKkLSgMtmKwtKASWskAK1muxYXYcWcoDcPMFP3Q968KU2xpThfaLwx1rbzGwi2HQ/c2mrMB/TrjIzzfc1Wvz7YYt1uoE7I8E2dd7sMuZ693A1k8ALc5FIWoDSmO5O4gVNLXDCSodZ8sK37a1AUvM= ; Message-ID: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:34:21 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512310250.jBV2oN84095210@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6A524.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I found this image on IMDB: Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru it!!) ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip some space : : : : : : : : : : : : At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to see her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. Julie «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:15:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGFeVN027500 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:15:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGFWO9020332; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGFA2q063546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGF8mC039749; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGF3lH039697 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01FC3CEF1 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:15:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:15:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO otsisto wrote: > or this > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg > only a little more fitted in the bodice region. What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something else? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:21:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGLjQt027571 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGLbO0022085; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGLDpP064370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGLDUp042680; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGL5CD042551 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C145BE74D for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:21:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20051231162059.2C145BE74D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B011.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Looks like the corset is made out of foam. Mary wrote: >I found this image on IMDB: > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru it!!) > > ~mary > >h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) > >I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the >most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one >rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip >some space >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, >petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The >style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly >outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to >tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why >it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you >left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two >layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to see >her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a >comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're >trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? > >I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm >curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. > >Julie > > > > > > >«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > >"Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." >~ Jane Austen > >"Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGPddK027609 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:25:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGPVP4023057; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:25:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGP3Ho064828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGP1VG044405; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGOw1A044369 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:25:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24709.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.9]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E03262814; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c60e26$c4a2af60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: , , <18cWoman@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:25:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stays question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B0FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, sorry for the crossposting. In Revolution in Fashion on page 100 there is a pair of stays wich always has made me wonder how it was worn. Its a covered pair of stays very beautifully covered with a floral brocade. It has tied on sleaves and it closes in the center front with lacing. Only the tabs are not covered with brokade. My gues is that it was worn to show. But how would they put the skirt to it. If only the tabs are going to be hided under the skirt, you would have to have the skirt opening very big. How would they have kept the skirt in place? Could the skirt have ben pinned to the tabs somehow? I definately think it was supposed to show the full busk piece in the front, it would be a shame to hide it away under a skirt. This has always made me wonder how on earth it would have ben worn. Could someone please enlightening me? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGUMDk028063 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:30:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGUF3N024311; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGTx76065344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGTxsr046945; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGGH7T040312 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24709.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.9]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D1025EE037 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:16:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c60e25$8b5b8ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:16:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:30:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B217.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Mary, It definately shows, how odd. I think not they have boned the stays, at least not in the front. You can also see the fabric is wrinking on the stomacher point. Perhaps they think they wore stays without bones? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) > > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 > From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) > > I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the > most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one > rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip > some space > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, > petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The > style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly > outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to > tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why > it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you > left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two > layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to > see > her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a > comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're > trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? > > I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm > curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. > > Julie > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGZKwd028370 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:35:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGZCHS025683; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:35:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGTlZD065309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGTkOe046814; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51705.mail.yahoo.com (web51705.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVFltDo026954 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 658 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 15:47:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kw9/cNClZIb9C+0T0awSf4r6Dz4nAkSjf5gGuYePcMYPgy0zn0DWNbMLwSqC+A8xksOCovQ5gejZMfmiYPxBPVOBazI8sOBsLvM58EPDobQOridZE/A05YZZNI9E0DYDIOT+3yE+f42kowwA2g3JJIFZNFEf1Hf0IG6FgD1pUsM= ; Message-ID: <20051231154749.656.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:47:49 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:47:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aR066313@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ecret Santa and Christmas Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:35:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B340.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Whoops! Well, Justin's name is the one that was on the shipping label. And I certainly didn't want to be sexist about this. We have several talented male costumers on the list. But I want to be accurate (that research thing coming up again) and thank you, Genie. And I am enjoying What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew. It's a fun read. Craig and I went to a magic show/seance last night for our anniversary. I looked at the picture of the spirit guide and thought, "Hum, that dress doesn't look right for a Victorian child." Historic costuming coming to the fore. Kay The highway billboard showed Kay Shelton smiling proudly and saying: >My Secret Santa, Justin Barrett, sent me a lovely >purse made from black silk with beautiful butterflies >on it and containing a very useful small pair of >scissors. Thank you, Justin! Um.. That's actually me... Genie Barrett. Don't know how you got his name.... GRIN >snip >This year I'm looking at moving into Victorian. So he >gave me What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew >by Daniel Pool, Awesome book! I read it from cover to cover, as it was a library book, and wish I had it for a reference every time I read a book from the time period now. I'll have to get myself a copy one of these days. Have a great new year, and one can never have too many pairs of scissors. Genie __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:37:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGbr0p028421 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGbkL9026344; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGbVjV066137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGbU2k050316; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52803.mail.yahoo.com (web52803.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVGbQ2t050249 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8206 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 16:37:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PwiBWgv6lp4i1bhEzLsitBmw2kbdPsPEO2DvqnxOfqplK1FLUUMBrIxo8ef8dZdCmos2rqFsEIP6Gf3YlYP+FYDb/HYoouK1G7X2dBgId6n4X0CUiYK7WDCtinnAGkx/yZUsFvGE5CbBTLqoJ+BnhRw4nd3X/nK91Hjk/mzGqJ8= ; Message-ID: <20051231163716.8204.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:37:16 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B3DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Leonardo looks a little Orlando Bloom-ish, doesn't he? Especially around the eyes. WickedFrau wrote: If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on this site that I've not seen before: One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm Wish I'd known that boy! (Ahem! Did I say that outloud?) Very cool...sure would love to see the colored ones! There are several other interesting areas, but one of the easiest ways to get to some of these is here: http://www.kleio.org/frauenrenaissance.html Click on the person of interest and then look for links (especially those with the abbreviations Abb. #) Sg Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >> How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >> the top, where is the rest? >> Is it laced at the back? >> >> http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm >> >> >> Bjarne > > > My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the > actual closure is by hooks and eyes. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:06:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVH6Do0029816 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVH654P001608; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVH5iZG069395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVH5fvb063813; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVH5cYl063787 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 847161844 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:37 -0600 Message-ID: <0beb01c60e2c$82a466c0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051231162059.2C145BE74D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:06:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6BA7D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>I found this image on IMDB: >> >> >> Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru >> it!!) It looks like girdle-weight lycra stretched tight. Her bosom is certainly squashed, and it certainly doesn't leave anything to the imagination! Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:35:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZHIA030251 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZ8qQ008479; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHYTIf072906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHYDrR078420; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHY8LU078394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBVHY0Q9014775 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:34:08 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:34:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55198.64.156.242.51.1136050440.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200512310250.jBV2oN84095210@net.indra.com> <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:34:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C14C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, that picture! I saw it earlier online. When Julie first described it, it sounded like the thing was sheer! But I see what you mean about seeing the outline of her breast. It definitely looks like it's made of fabric only with no boning. Yes, Hollywood costumers know better - there are plenty of movies out there with decent stays and corsets! Something exists in the 18thC called jumps - described as "lightly boned stays", although there are lots of questions about various extant items and what, exactly they were and who wore them when. Anyway, I have not seen the movie, but from the ads it seems that she is an upper class lady? The less shaping, the lower the class, unless of course she was relaxing at home and would not ordinarily have been seen in public that way. Obviously it is shaping her somewhat. I think it's unattractive, especially for a leading lady. My take on it (as an 18thC type) - that type of thing may well have existed. She is not "properly" dressed wearing it (maybe she is not supposed to be "proper" in that scene or she is not a "proper" sort of character) or it's possible that it's not used correctly. Also Venice was it's own animal and some of the conventions of costume we have (from predominantly English sources) don't apply. I wonder how much research the costume designer did? Don't let it ruin the movie - at least she's not wearing powder blue eyeshadow. :-) -Carol > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:35:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZWqV030254 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZPkZ000314; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHZBj7072997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHZBAx078845; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHZ8nr078826 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=rOtCpWwhrumunISGw2lI6e0y6jXYuRP81BH10XpZPshCbRMzhJWK1X5fMvALRRQT; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.140] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EskdH-0000im-7n for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c60e30$89435c30$8c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info museum pictures Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bd3fea9e0a5aaea6df0dea5db1ee3380b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.140 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C15D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the pictures and the extra info on the garments. It was great to see. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:43:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHhPgN030804 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHhIoI010782; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHh3bQ074012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHh1s3082842; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHgtp1082801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:42:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBVHXwfN030662 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:33:58 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:42:53 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Dawn wrote: > otsisto wrote: > >> or this >> http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg >> only a little more fitted in the bodice region. > > > What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part > of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something else? Really narrow hanging oversleeve? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:44:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHiVY0030818 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:44:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHiN0K003465; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHi999074213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHi9HM083512; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHi5PQ083492 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:44:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:44:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:44:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 17:44:05.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB6F1940:01C60E31] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:44:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C377.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. Hi Becky, I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. Make sure when you are working on your stays, not to have a shelf at your bustline, this means your stays are cut too short and possibly too tight, this will also aid you in not having the melon effect. You want a nice rounding from the edge of your stays over your bustline, but not as much as with an 18thC corset. Your nipples should also sit lower in your stays than for an 18thC corset. And before you cut your fabric, make sure all of the underpinnings are finished and fit you well...otherwise you'll never be happy with the dress. I am battling this right now, as I am building a new outfit that is slightly earlier than the time period I usually dress, so new stays, farthingale first, before I get to start the fun stuff. My Mum wants to know what kind of jewelery I'd like to have, but I can't even think about that until I get the other bits done! It's be like putting on your makeup, before you've showered! UG! Kelly/Estela www.goldenoakinn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHk4KN030851 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHjuOC011504; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHja3C074420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHjaoo084313; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHjVPP084266 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:45:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=JERU3y1NTI4VDlWqNBBCha7i7qWTvicstgSpdkkuhPV5htqiKlxm2edn7o7zwbg9; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.140] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsknK-0005x4-K0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:31 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c60e31$fccb5c10$8c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" , "E House" References: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b22fcc316a5f0bd3eb7c0c31bc8f6461d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.140 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C3D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Elena wrote: > , in the neatest decorated paper box. The box has a great back-story. It's called a "Mrs Yabe box" and I learned the pattern from Barry Morentz, another calligrapher. He was studying paper-making in Japan for several months, and when he left, his landlady (Mrs Yabe) gave him a gift of those Japanese sweets that are just too beautiful to eat, in a box she had made herself. Of course, he took it apart when he got home- the stiffener was a recycled yoghurt container. The pattern's been getting passed along ever since. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:46:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHkkKh030862 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHkd36004341; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHkEYI074502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHkEpd084617; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHkCmK084592 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:46:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:46:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 17:46:11.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[16C63540:01C60E32] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C3FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>Is it laced at the back? >> >>http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm >> >>Bjarne Hi Bjarne, I haven't yet seen a doublet that laces up the back, doesn't mean they didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any. My thought is that the fastening is up centrefront, but hidden, possibly hook and eyes. Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:55:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHtiAn030963 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHtaHW015021; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHtGgk075600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHtEoD088969; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHtA6E088938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBVHkDfN030878 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B6C5FC.9060402@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:08 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C618.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO kelly grant wrote: > >> am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. I'm not the person to do it, but someone may have the time, someday, to do a photo essay about corseted bosom shapes through time, starting with Tudor and going up through some of the less, er, skilled tailoring of newer-to-historic-costuming folks where the bosom seems to be supported as if horizontal acreage was key. It would probably help a lot of newer folks to know what they were aiming for. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:07:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVI7TLK031588 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVI7M0I018713; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVI756j077001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:07:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVI74dt094588; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVI70dI094539 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:06:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:06:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:06:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:06:56.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCC49DF0:01C60E34] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C8DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Doesn't look well boned enough for the period! That and it's fitting wonkie through her mid section, which also could be the result of not enough boning. I hate it when modern veiws are voiced in period movies. Like a woman in the 18thC would think about going without her corset in public if she was of society. it would be considered loose, or beneath her station, unfashionable. Most of society was trying to appear higher than their station. Sure we complain about our bras, but the idea of comfortable clothing is a really modern idea...like less than 40 years. UG! I'll still see the movie, I enjoy the comedic plotline. My spouse even wants to go! Kelly/estela > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:17:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIHIJx031775 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIHB9C021213; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIGlIA077979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIGjSO099105; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIGgYb099065 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:16:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512310250.jBV2oN84095210@net.indra.com><20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <55198.64.156.242.51.1136050440.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:16:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:16:41.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[5944ECF0:01C60E36] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CB27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sometimes it's not up to the designer, or the costumier...as a former theatre type, I've witnessed actress throwing temper tantrums over costumes. It's not pretty, but sometimes happens, and if the actress had the producers or director in her back pocket, she may have gotten away with a lot. Kelly/estela > Also Venice was it's own animal and some of the conventions of > costume we have (from predominantly English sources) don't apply. I > wonder how much research the costume designer did? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:21:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVILKO7032119 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:21:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVILDv6022283; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIKlPm078694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIKmh0001661; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIKjAd001627 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:20:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B6C5FC.9060402@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:20:41.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8732180:01C60E36] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CC19.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I could probably put on my 18thC stays, and the earlier ones I've made, and put photos up on the website, it may take a little bit of time, as I have been feeling trashed of late and so the website is slow to update with my stuff...Pierre can only mind read so well. Long and short, let me see what I can do. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? > kelly grant wrote: > >> >>> am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. >> >> I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, >> as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more >> tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher >> bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than >> earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > I'm not the person to do it, but someone may have the time, someday, to do > a photo essay about corseted bosom shapes through time, starting with > Tudor and going up through some of the less, er, skilled tailoring of > newer-to-historic-costuming folks where the bosom seems to be supported as > if horizontal acreage was key. > > It would probably help a lot of newer folks to know what they were aiming > for. > > cv > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:27:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIRmCa032502 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIRf5C023869; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIRFmT079532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIRFcb004482; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIRBej004440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EslRJ-00012i-Ra; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:49 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:49 -0600 Message-ID: <20051231122649.yyqvlfjcc1wks0k4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:49 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Color copies (was Re: [h-cost] Other paintings) References: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CD9D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Saragrace said: > If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on > this site that I've not seen before: > One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : > http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm There's a color copy of this one at http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* > And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! > http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm > Wish I'd known that boy! (Ahem! Did I say that outloud?) > Very cool...sure would love to see the colored ones! > I looked through my (well the libraries copy) of Renaissance Self-Portraiture and it's not in there. It's not in my copy of Campbell's Renaissance Portraits either. Neither one of those things really means anything. I've never seen that painting either -- and of my sources, those are the places where I'd expect to find it. He's alleged to have used his own face for the Mona Lisa. He's also supposed to have been the model for Donatello's David. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:33:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIXfdL032555 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIXX83025319; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIWVcZ080206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:32:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIWRZG006795; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIWOC2006732 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-64-105-26-120.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[64.105.26.120]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005123118321811100o0jpce>; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:32:18 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:32:17 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200512311705.jBVH5gtR063827@net.indra.com> References: <200512311705.jBVH5gtR063827@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:"Casanova" (possible spoiler) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:33:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CEFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:05 AM 12/31/2005, you wrote: >I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary Yes!! That's it exactly. And that's as good a look at the corset as any you get in the movie. You can see =very= clearly what I'm complaining about. The costume designer is Jenny Beavan, who certainly knows better. She =knows= how to make a proper corset, she's proved that countless times. So the error isn't through ignorance. The only thing I can think of is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Francesca states earlier in the film that corsets are abhorrent and terrible, and so on. Maybe by putting her in an unboned corset they were trying to reflect that character trait. But if that's the case, I wonder why they put her in a corset at all? The way they compromised (if that's what it is) looks just awful. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 14:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJUILJ001734 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJUAI7007320; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVJThkK086645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJTen0034674; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJTalF034631 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00632 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:57:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:57:27 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Dawn wrote: > otsisto wrote: > > > or this > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg > > only a little more fitted in the bodice region. > > What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part > of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something else? I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino (sable pelt, sometimes called "flea fur" modernly). I've just sent this URL off to Tawny Sherrill, who has spent many years cataloguing images of zibellini. (She has an article about them in the next volume of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, due out in the spring.) She will confirm whether I've got it right; I'm *not* an expert in reading this period's paintings. I would be very tickled if I've managed to spot one that she doesn't already have! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 14:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJqkw1002460 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:52:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJqdGP012678; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:52:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVJqNUG089444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJqLLU046018; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJqIJr045994 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00814 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:12 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino ... Nope. Tawny points out that when you blow it up, you can see clearly it's fabric. I didn't see that on my browser, but when I saved and enlarged the image, I could see clearly that it loops up behind her hand, and you can see a little of the embellishment of the dress fabric in the front of hte fold. I think it's a fold of her skirt that she's lifting. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKCdQm003182 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:12:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKCVCW017130; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:12:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKBtx7091624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKBqDN055075; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKBmeX055011 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00966 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:39:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:39:39 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > This painting > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > > is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. > It's almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently > under discussion. By George, I think you've got it. Note especially the little curl of hair in front of her left ear -- only in the b/w image, it goes down along her neck. I'll go out on a little limb here. Here's my guess at a scenario: The b/w image started as an engraving (photogravure) made for a French book in the early 1800s. The engraver used the image Susan cites as a base, but made some adjustments/embellishments based on other portraits (including the addition of the dog, jewels on the sleeves, etc.). The French book captioned the image with the French version of the name of a Renaissance artist who was at that time thought to be the artist of at least one of the prints the engraver worked from. Levi-Pisetsky picked up the engraving, and the attribution, without verification, and analyzed it as though it were an accurate original. The "a" in the attribution is a leftover preposition from the original French caption. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:13:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKDUxn003189 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:13:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKDMYV022493; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKCikY091755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKCi3r055535; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKCetw055436 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: <43B6E640.7000505@msn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:48 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Color copies (was Re: [h-cost] Other paintings) References: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> <20051231122649.yyqvlfjcc1wks0k4@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20051231122649.yyqvlfjcc1wks0k4@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 20:12:35.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A33ADA0:01C60E46] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:13:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6E662.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > There's a color copy of this one at > http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html > > and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* > Ooooo! Thanks! Yes the sleeves are great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKGqbj003250 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKGjfH018066; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKGJUM092129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKGJxX057104; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVKGFPu057009 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5P3ZQANQEFTS for (sender ); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDKWDWKB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:14:49 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:12:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO My tuppence on this one is that it is a decorative, vestigial hanging sleeve. You can see something like it in Queen Elizabeth's Pelican portrait. I agree that it is fabric and not fur, but I don't think it's part of the skirt. Karen Seamstrix On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:10 -0600 (CST) Robin Netherton writes: > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino ... > > Nope. Tawny points out that when you blow it up, you can see clearly > it's > fabric. I didn't see that on my browser, but when I saved and > enlarged the > image, I could see clearly that it loops up behind her hand, and you > can > see a little of the embellishment of the dress fabric in the front > of hte > fold. I think it's a fold of her skirt that she's lifting. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:43:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKhIjU003921 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKhAwh024293; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKgixp094586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKgfbV068811; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:42:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53205.mail.yahoo.com (web53205.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVKgeF5068768 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69439 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 20:42:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N5MfQyJ5W7IiOnBVLw2p/vU6nzB0gQafgFbeVnCDhzQ21QTacOPVeAOi9TPbdnJd7QtNDb5nNop9y2Ps8t91uVdUPyKZars6qtk6qjVF8iN7ZSc1+YoFjUqQ/+Hstd51c6PXFTWdJN55J5xLy2GvI3ITd7UbmO5/5nMPHGNjeTE= ; Message-ID: <20051231204234.69437.qmail@web53205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.65.155] by web53205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:42:34 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:"Casanova" (possible spoiler) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6ED5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The first thing I thought of when I looked at the picture was that the actress bought into the corsets are horrible arguement and insisted on something different... because it looks like a compromise like Julie says. Just my 2 cents. Kathy Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: Yes!! That's it exactly. And that's as good a look at the corset as any you get in the movie. You can see =very= clearly what I'm complaining about. The costume designer is Jenny Beavan, who certainly knows better. She =knows= how to make a proper corset, she's proved that countless times. So the error isn't through ignorance. The only thing I can think of is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Francesca states earlier in the film that corsets are abhorrent and terrible, and so on. Maybe by putting her in an unboned corset they were trying to reflect that character trait. But if that's the case, I wonder why they put her in a corset at all? The way they compromised (if that's what it is) looks just awful. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:51:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKpRDh004008 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKpJcu026269; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKot9Y095355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKosEv072280; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKopPX072233 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.265.3594728 (58435) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <265.3594728.30e8491f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:50:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5121 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6EF47.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got this packet from Australia two weeks before Christmas and had to put it away so I would be good and not open it before I was supposed to. My secret Santa was Sharon Nevin who sent a cross stitched beaded Christmas card (very lovely) and a hand made green velveteen pouch with gold tassels (such elegance!) and inside were (wrapped in tissue) two strands of freshwater pearls that will definitely be used to adorn something on my next Elizabethan gown. Thank you muchly Sharon! Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:08:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVL8hSU004575 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVL8ZYJ030697; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVL89Db097654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL85s7080383; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL82PP080305 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-64-105-26-120.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[64.105.26.120]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20051231210756113005vm5ne>; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:07:56 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231125325.0203c810@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:55 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <200512311900.jBVJ03a3020056@net.indra.com> References: <200512311900.jBVJ03a3020056@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6F353.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:00 AM 12/31/2005, you wrote: >Oh, that picture! I saw it earlier online. When Julie first >described it, it sounded like the thing was sheer! But I see what >you mean about seeing the outline of her breast. > > It definitely looks like it's made of fabric only with no boning. >Yes, Hollywood costumers know better - there are plenty of movies out >there with decent stays and corsets! > > Something exists in the 18thC called jumps - described as "lightly >boned stays", although there are lots of questions about various >extant items and what, exactly they were and who wore them when. > > Anyway, I have not seen the movie, but from the ads it seems that she >is an upper class lady? The less shaping, the lower the class, >unless of course she was relaxing at home and would not ordinarily >have been seen in public that way. > > Obviously it is shaping her somewhat. I think it's unattractive, >especially for a leading lady. > > My take on it (as an 18thC type) - that type of thing may well have >existed. She is not "properly" dressed wearing it (maybe she is not >supposed to be "proper" in that scene or she is not a "proper" sort >of character) or it's possible that it's not used correctly. > > Also Venice was it's own animal and some of the conventions of >costume we have (from predominantly English sources) don't apply. I >wonder how much research the costume designer did? > > Don't let it ruin the movie - at least she's not wearing powder blue >eyeshadow. :-) Well, for what it's worth (and this includes spoilers) the character of Francesca is definitely upper class, I think her family is supposed to be old Venetian nobility, the kind with lots of blue blood but no money. And the scene where she wears that corset is on the scaffold. She (and Casanova) have been condemned to death and this is what she's wearing/allowed to wear to her hanging. If you look at the picture, she's wearing a lovely quilted petticoat, and even the corset itself looks to be constructed accurately. Just no bones and I think the wrong kind of material (it almost has to be for it to shape itself so closely to the actress's curves). It didn't ruin the movie for me, but it did kind of yank me out of the scene. And being a costumer all I could think of was "what WAS she thinking???" (the costumer, I mean). I would really like to contact the costume designer and ask about this. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:14:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLEXlT004645 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLEQPc032240; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVL97o0097742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL96bV080840; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL92v7080804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBVL8wuC013778 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:09:01 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6F4B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real life, but we're talking about the ideal. And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could keep covered. And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, ethnicities, yadda yadda. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLV7vY005103 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:31:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLUxjP004302; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:31:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLUdPl000219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLUbP7090776; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLUYIP090683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsoIn-0002qO-Lp; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:30:13 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:30:13 -0600 Message-ID: <20051231153013.73cjd3wknnvos00k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:30:13 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >> This painting >> http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg >> or >> http://tinyurl.com/byswr >> >> is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. >> It's almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently >> under discussion. > > By George, I think you've got it. Note especially the little curl of hair > in front of her left ear -- only in the b/w image, it goes down along her > neck. > > I'll go out on a little limb here. Here's my guess at a scenario: I think you've nailed it spot on (as my overseas friends would say). Every now and then you'll see a painter do more than one copy of a given painting that's slightly different -- Artemesia Gentilishi's "Judith with the head of Holofernes" comes to mind. You'll often see a student copy a teacher -- I've seen them, but I can't call them to mind. But this does remind me very much of the very similar copies that you can see in Braun and Schneider and some of the other Victorian books of historic costume. You can usually/frequently identify the original painting -- sometimes they are virtually identical, othertimes they've been embellished. High fives! (we need a smiley for that!) :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLjL6s005336 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLjEgl008086; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLikag001928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLiiq0097129; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f14.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLieuQ097108 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauradi7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:44:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.163.105.146] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lauradi7@hotmail.com From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:44:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 21:44:40.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[673DB6D0:01C60E53] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] "casanova" includes marked plot spoilers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6FBEA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The stays or corset or whatever it is in the picture may be foam lined, but for the rest of the movie, most of the women have the right shape for those clothes, so they are wearing something underneath that makes them smooth instead of bumpy, shall we say. We don't see much in the way of undergarments, or nudity for that matter. For an R rated movie, it's very tame, and I saw the conjecture somewhere that it's rated R because of blatant anti-Catholic sentiment. Hard to believe. plot s p o i l e r s There are parts of the movie in which the character played by Sienna Miller disguised as a man, including a glued-on mustache. Her chest is flat enough during those parts that she must have had something binding her breasts, but we don't see what. Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:47:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLl0ql005473 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:47:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLkrUS020262; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:46:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLkb2Q002122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLkaID098103; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLkWP4098050 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231214623.JVVN22847.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:46:23 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231214623.XMUV1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:46:23 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:46:30 +1300 Message-ID: <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:46:29 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:46:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6FC4D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > >>Is it laced at the back? > Hi Bjarne, > I haven't yet seen a doublet that laces up the back, doesn't mean they > didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any. My thought is that the fastening > is up centrefront, but hidden, possibly hook and eyes. There is a jerkin in the Met Museum that laces in the back. I don't know if there is a photo of the back of it, but you can clearly see that it does in the pattern (first ed. Blanche Payne's History of Costume.) I have not seen it mentioned whether it is for a man or woman, it fit me with but a few tweaks, but I don't know if that proves anything;) http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:57:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLvoqa005568 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLvhDe011359; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLvJNv003223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLvHR4003071; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLvCVS003001 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231215707.ILBF4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:57:07 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231215706.TZN14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:57:06 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:57:13 +1300 Message-ID: <007f01c60e55$286c6800$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:57:13 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6FED7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on > this site that I've not seen before: > One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : > http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm > And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! > http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm Yep. This is the new site of someone I link to frequently in my Frazzled Frau site: http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-29.htm http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/bilderkatalog/habsburger/abb10s.htm The new site is easier to remember for sure;) > There's a color copy of this one at > http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html > > and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* Oh yes:) I've had a copy in my book on Henry VIII for years. It's on my to do list;) There is a portrait of the middle-late 16thC in Koeln that has undersleeves just like it. Except the whole ensemble is in dusty pinky grey shades. I'm thinking I could wrangle two gowns with a pair of undersleeves;) I even have a goodly number of glass pearls for this one as well..... michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 17:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMKQmh006053 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMKIXR017610; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVMK1oi005900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMJxRu012434; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMJo4U012321 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:19:44 -0800 Message-ID: <43B7040A.5000401@msn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 22:19:44.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DACD0C0:01C60E58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Brown Velvet Jerkin-was: Man's Doublet closure X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B70423.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ooooh Ahhhh, I didn't realize this one had metallic bobbin lace on it! Yeah! Justification! Weeeee. Sg michaela wrote: >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 17:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMObuA006115 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMOTYC018698; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVMJ5KT005831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMJ3J1012067; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVMIxgB012014 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 49100 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 22:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 22:18:53 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051231161605.0225e0d0@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:18:45 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:"Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.at t.net> References: <200512311705.jBVH5gtR063827@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B7051D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Another take on the movie, is what Heath Ledger says in the first five minutes of the first clip on this page... http://movies.aol.com/movie/main.adp?tab=trailers&mid=22797 Basically, he wasn't trying to portray the character historically since the movie wasn't. I don't think they wanted to make it perfectly period. It's a problem with a lot of movies these days. They are more concerned with making a good selling film rather than an historical one. Thus, they didn't care if the corset looked, or even was, right. Sad fact about most movies these days. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 17:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMe2rh006437 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:40:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMdt6s022807; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVMdXoE008143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMdVG2020585; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMdSPw020542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k010HImd015832 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:17:18 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:42:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512311900.jBVJ03a3020056@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20051231125325.0203c810@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231125325.0203c810@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512311742.32963.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:39:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B708BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Saturday 31 December 2005 4:07 pm, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > At 11:00 AM 12/31/2005, you wrote: > >Oh, that picture! I saw it earlier online. When Julie first > >described it, it sounded like the thing was sheer! But I see what > >you mean about seeing the outline of her breast. > > > > It definitely looks like it's made of fabric only with no boning. > >Yes, Hollywood costumers know better - there are plenty of movies out > >there with decent stays and corsets! Indeed there are. But what she's wearing in the still to which the URL was provided looks like it was made of spandex to me. :-( [rest snipped] -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:12:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNC603007008 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:12:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNBwgK031272; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNBURT011452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:11:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNBRKd034019; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNBOWe033986 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:11:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO Very cool! thank you! You didn't actually have it on your body did you??? Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure,was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? >> >>Is it laced at the back? > >> Hi Bjarne, >> I haven't yet seen a doublet that laces up the back, doesn't mean they >> didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any. My thought is that the > fastening >> is up centrefront, but hidden, possibly hook and eyes. > > There is a jerkin in the Met Museum that laces in the back. I don't know > if > there is a photo of the back of it, but you can clearly see that it does > in > the pattern (first ed. Blanche Payne's History of Costume.) > > I have not seen it mentioned whether it is for a man or woman, it fit me > with but a few tweaks, but I don't know if that proves anything;) > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm > > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:13:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNDtKm007047 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNDmQs017357; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNDZ3N011720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNDYbo034826; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNDUj9034767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EspuR-0000M0-T8; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:13:11 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:13:11 -0600 Message-ID: <20051231171311.plee0uahsiysks48@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:13:11 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <007f01c60e55$286c6800$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <007f01c60e55$286c6800$0401010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:13:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B710AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting michaela : >> If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on >> this site that I've not seen before: >> One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : >> http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm >> And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! >> http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm > > > Yep. This is the new site of someone I link to frequently in my Frazzled > Frau site: > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-29.htm > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/bilderkatalog/habsburger/abb10s.htm Do you know if there's a color copy of this painting around anywhere? I have the idea that the girl's dresses are red .... > > The new site is easier to remember for sure;) > >> There's a color copy of this one at >> http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html >> >> and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* > > Oh yes:) I've had a copy in my book on Henry VIII for years. It's on my to > do list;) There is a portrait of the middle-late 16thC in Koeln that has > undersleeves just like it. Except the whole ensemble is in dusty pinky grey > shades. ooooh, Do you have a link (or search string) to that picture? I'd *love* to see it! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:17:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNHl6v007090 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNHeGG032552; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNHMt4012287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNHKUF036656; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNHGRp036546 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISD000J1Y0MOWKN@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.252]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:10 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B71194.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just sent my Secret Santa what I had around the house. I haven't even gotten to making my first Tudor Bodice or even thinking of my 6 sets of Choli's from India that I want to make. I feel inadequate compared to you - you actually made a HAT!! I haven't done anything more complex than a drawstring skirt with gores. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Maynard > made by me. I hope you like it. I feel totally inadequate > compared to the rest of the members on this list. > Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume