From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 04:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA19sGFN011066 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA19re98032638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA19rZ4C057015; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA19rVK2056986 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5E63FF05 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.435c578f.6f68d for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DZzsZ0NqXpQIAAAAB,8b2b63977cb95b96ff97a22b8f05dc74 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051101015329.20B32BF3@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm interested. But I would probably have to make sure that I mailed it no later than the very beginning of December - living on the other side of the world from most of our fellow listers combined with the Christmas postal rush could make its' timely arrival chancy, otherwise. ( And may still do, regardless. ;-P ) Joannah ( in Australia ) --- Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:35:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a holiday idea Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 05:44:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1Ai9Q4022030 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:44:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1AhqHf042277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AhpEe075264; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AhkaE075190 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.199.4aaaf3a6 (25305) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <199.4aaaf3a6.3098a0d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:43:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/31/2005 8:07:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific pattern I may have over looked? Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 05:47:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1AlSPo022375 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1AlEgd043095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AlFuk076488; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AlCPn076442 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f5.5d84481c (25305) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/2005 5:44:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? Their website is: _www.kwiksew.com_ (http://www.kwiksew.com) Look at pattern 3150. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 06:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1BBt3O026260 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1BBOXC049454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1BBM7u085116; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1BBIsM085076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07A4D825B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 02807-07 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 55888D8180 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006801c5ded4$f608ebe0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net><0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> And finally, one of my new favorites: >> http://www.photo.rmn.fr/ >> The search utility here isn't anywhere near as good as bildindex's, but >> it's got a lot of great paintings. Click 'recherche' at the top to do a >> search. The dating info on this website makes it hard to pick a date >> range, but if you're patient you'll find some great paintings. Of >> course, the paintings are largely French, but you can get some useful >> details nonetheless; the French hoods, if nothing else, are very similar >> to what was worn in England. I'd suggest doing a search for Corneille de >> Lyon (you'll get an option of him or of his atelier; look at both) as >> you'll find some great, detailed portraits from around the right time >> period. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> -E House Thanks for this link! I've been putting off working on French hood for a while now---I had a sudden attack of laziness!-but I find it verrrry interesting (said in best Arte Johnson voice) that the painting of Catherine de Medici clearly shows a narrow white strap holding on her hood. My hair is very soft and slippery, and normally trying to keep on a hat of any kind drives me nuts and makes me cranky, so anything that makes it easier is welcome. Dianne back to look at more pictures! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1E7UtQ008760 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1E6sfm074571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1E6mRT066562; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1E6iRY066456 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A66B0234; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:06:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Nov 05 14:06:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:07:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1E7UtQ008760 Status: RO Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the development of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used in ancient times by shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool into garments. Other references I have turned up give notice to tambour work, guipuire Maltese laces and such. Is there any direct documented use of this form of lace making in the 18th C? In any case, it seems to relate to more primitive and coarse lace work. Comments? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:27:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1ERkRl009128 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1ERLAX076569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1ERJT6077740; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1ERDNj077664 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13547 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:27:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101142259.01cfebb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:27:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet pattern needed - modern (O.T. sorta) In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathleen's recent mail has reminded me that I would love a pattern for one of those crochet hats that are so fashionable. Here they are in heavy "wool" with a cap back part, and a brim, like a butcher boy cap, or what we used to call in the 60's (God I'm old!) a Donovan cap, or like you see in Dickens costume dramas on Oliver Twist and so on. Anybody any ideas? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:43:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1EhBR9009322 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1Egnnr078037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Egj0H086523; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1EgfRI086472 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24458 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 06:42:08 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24447, pid: 24453, t: 1.0803s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 06:42:06 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051101063020.01eaa560@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:42:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:07 AM 11/1/2005, you wrote: >Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the >development of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used >in ancient times by shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool >into garments. Other references I have turned up give notice to >tambour work, guipuire Maltese laces and such. Is there any direct >documented use of this form of lace making in the 18th C? In any >case, it seems to relate to more primitive and coarse lace work. >Comments? > >Kathleen This subject has come up numerous times (and on other lists) over the years. Unfortunately, the earliest evidence I've ever seen for crochet is sometime in the 1820s. There are no surviving examples that pre-date the 19th century. It was popular during the mid-late 19th century to claim ancient roots for many forms of needlework; Warren and Pullan are not credible historic sources. What has been claimed to be crochet from "ancient times" has turned out to be naalbinding, which can have a superficial resemblance to crochet or knitting but is made in an entirely different fashion. The earliest patterns I have found are for fine thread work done in imitation of more expensive lace. By the 1850s patterns were available for wool work for hats, mittens, vests, and shawls. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1F1RDV009623 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1F12G0079584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F0s5d096595; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F0nQG096501 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:00:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:00:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 15:00:44.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AC23A0:01C5DEF5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are some minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. Thoughts? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:07:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1F7JfF009739 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:07:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1F6pkM080149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F6np2000267; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1F6iFj000105 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40113 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 15:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 15:06:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101150342.01d5acf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:06:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:00 01/11/2005, you wrote: >I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair >of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since >there are some minor details that were left out in the construction >(like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice >heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such >needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees >behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* >my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms >up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to >actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > >I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area >to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders >idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the >problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with 18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. Suzi (who's just making two such pairs of breeches.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:14:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FEMGB009901 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FDjss080811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FDeqo004425; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FDZL3004338 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IPA00L0E7LD1UE0@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:49 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <20051030114422.w2208a7g0v8kw4k4@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most late period sleeves tied or buttoned into the armhole. That puffy (shirred) sleeve is attached to the gown, the undersleeve ties under it at the armhole. It is a practical consideration also. A woman could have a "new" gown with the addition of a pair of sleeves! BTW-- I've done this gown (gown: black wool and sleeves:maroon wool) The sleeves have mega pieces... Yes, Luara was a very famous poet, married to a famous architect who worked for Duke Cosimo I de Medici of Florence. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 Quoting monica spence : > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff > I knew that Laura's gown was brown and black (did you know that she was a Famous Poet?) -- but how can you tell that the maroon lower sleeves on Lucrezia's gown tie into the armhole? Jerusha, the sleeve junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:17:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FHgmu009977 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FH5tI081151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FH4m8006670; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FH1tE006576 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.166]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A32D95EE054 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:16:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c5def7$529c98d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:17:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, Yes i will confirm what Suzi said. Split up the back seam, and make it about 1 inch smaller, 1/2 inch each side. Also split up the center back of the linning, and make lace holes in each side. I have this in all my period breeches! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question > I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of > what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are > some minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). > When my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they > fit great. They do all the shifting and such needed so I can squat and > sit comfortably and even wrap my knees behind my head without them > binding (assuming I could actually *get* my knees behind my head...) My > problem is that as the linen warms up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't > tie them tightly enough to actually stay on (which can be somewhat > embarassing). > > I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to keep > them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, which is > possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem really since > I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > Thoughts? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FejIG010432 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FeLGD083777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FeK90022537; 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Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:01:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0c6601c5defd$3d151090$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.2.20051101063020.01eaa560@pop.surewest.net> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:59:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: Thai Silks website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thai Silks is taking a survey to improve their website. Since I'm constantly frustrated by the lack of information, the lack of good photos, and the inconvenience of their sample system, I'm hoping to get as many people as possible to fill out the survey so that they'll fix what annoys me. =} http://www.digisurvey.com/login.php?u=thai&p=silks Not affiliated, yada. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1H2wUq011792 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1H2NRo094140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1H28TY003729; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1H1xti003543 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD18A3CEEF for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:01:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43664E41.1050507@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:02:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange - Sign-up Ends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last chance... sign-up ends today (Nov 1) at midnight EST. 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1HDLT3011986 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1HCsaq095527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HC1Pm011669; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HBsKd011494 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.199.4ab3b701 (4560) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <199.4ab3b701.3098fbcc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/2005 10:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Split up the back seam, and make it about 1 inch smaller, 1/2 inch each side. Also split up the center back of the lining, and make lace holes in each side. And for future pairs, make the waistband in 2 pieces, with a seam at center back, where you an leave the opening, then put in the lace holes. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1HQYah012230 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1HQ2bj097264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HPvMF022307; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1HPsQa022212 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56158 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 17:25:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5b/gU6Tb1UOSEGRM5mAEIUxsYCh7X403BwKx2NeWAKhTyQIoBqr2GrtPG4BxIKRtkgoA9k6umQEJCFI8/PgjT+KadJJStxMnbjIPUy/1sApRMZCy+6UHWe1rLS21D6BqzdAfbqBDSrf2+9Nn+UO0YPqlNa/6WO2wPnB1WghMcWs= ; Message-ID: <20051101172547.56156.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:25:47 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange - Sign-up Ends To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43664E41.1050507@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, Sorry for the very late post. I'd love to participate and as for time periods, mine are Anglo-Saxon - Viking and 1870-1915. Not sure what else you need from me. I must have inadvertantly deleted the 'e' that explained what info. you were specifically looking for. Chris G. Dawn wrote: Last chance... sign-up ends today (Nov 1) at midnight EST. You will have received a confirmation from me if you are "In". If you think you signed up and did not get a confirmation, check your junk email, and if necessary, re-send your address and introduction. Everyone who is signed up will receive their exchange assignment on Wed., probably in the evening. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JDUvU014091 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JCxQp013148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JCsRf011473; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Cp2E3030446 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4AD0298; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.152 ([209.131.80.152] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Nov 05 12:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c5dee3$069b2320$985083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:51:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ettiquite question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1JDUvU014091 Status: RO Not quite costume question, but can anyone point me to a source that documents or refers to the social occasion of women leaving the dinnertable and retiring elsewhere while the men continue their after dinner conversations, etc? I have always understood this was a Victorian convention but am now being told this was also the "Thing" in the 18th Century. When did the post parandial begin? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:15:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JFada014150 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:15:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JF4Q3013541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JEt7D013368; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F07mO096021 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IPA00EAI6ZSRP2N@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:52 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <004001c5ddaa$7531e470$6501a8c0@Duncan> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks for the info on this, Kate. Don't feel odd about the inarticulate noises... When I saw Eleonora of Toledo's wedding portrait (The deep pink (crimson) gown) at the Philly art Museum, after an hour of staring at it, I was trying to figure out a way to take it home with me... :-) And then there was the time that my friend Anna and I ammost got tossed out of the Metropolitan Musueum of Art in NYC trying to see the back of the leather fencing doublet that is on permanent display. Not a problem you would think until you realize that it is displayed in a glass case against a wall on a form... Sigh! Why can't museum people learn to display clothing correctly so it can be seen all the way around? (At least pit a mirror in the back!) Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JGCBf014173 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JFmQT013852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JFisi014080; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FgPj5023873 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m100.in-tch.com [216.166.191.100]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jA1FZCM03080 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:35:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004b01c5defb$c5eb0ac0$64bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051101150342.01d5acf8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:48:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's similar to what I have to do with my ItalianRen dresses that are made of linen. I scootch up to a friend and get them to help me tighten the bodice lacing (I can't reach). Doesn't do much for the "drop" I've experienced with the skirt, though, the times I've worn them in the summer, and gotten them damp or wet, and had the skirt "grow" several inches....;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question > At 15:00 01/11/2005, you wrote: > >I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair > >of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since > >there are some minor details that were left out in the construction > >(like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice > >heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such > >needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees > >behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* > >my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms > >up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to > >actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > > > >I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area > >to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders > >idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the > >problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > > Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > 18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > Suzi > (who's just making two such pairs of breeches.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:35:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JZwfR014591 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JZWMc016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JZTtu029557; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1JZGMK029422 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBYRS4NA6J7XSJ for (sender ); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:34:36 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K8RB7A8C; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:33:36 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:39 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-15 80 X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051101.113336.21710.55883@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 4c002d8d2dbd1d41bd1da5491da559ac69a125e10de9a1199c850d7d193179ec19456d78002800213ca5011d0049ed0d9c6d41dc0c993531b9852cc9f97528b98185f5e9b928eda9355db995a9edd8d8 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7wp68GVwydFQFjwpJKb4UvlPhfaB9Y4krw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.165|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1JZwfR014591 Status: RO When the Medici exhibit was in Chicago, the Art Institute hired several of us frm Bristol's Guilde of St. George to do Italian Renaissance Court dances (in full kit of course) as part of the entertaining for the gala opening. After our performances were done, we all got to go thru the exhibit- after the paying patrons but before most of the public. Of course we were all fascinated by the portrait of Elenora and her son and we were all clustered around it cooing and ahhing over all the details we could finally see. After a few minutes I noticed that the gallery was very quiet and I realized that all the patrons had moved back against the opposite wall and were standing there watching us with rapt attention. I also realized that we must have made just the most incredible picture ourselves- a group in full 16th century court dress, still partially in our characters, in the midst of all the 16th century objects. Wish I could have gotten video of it. Karen Seamstrix -- monica spence wrote: Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks for the info on this, Kate. Don't feel odd about the inarticulate noises... When I saw Eleonora of Toledo's wedding portrait (The deep pink (crimson) gown) at the Philly art Museum, after an hour of staring at it, I was trying to figure out a way to take it home with me... :-) And then there was the time that my friend Anna and I ammost got tossed out of the Metropolitan Musueum of Art in NYC trying to see the back of the leather fencing doublet that is on permanent display. Not a problem you would think until you realize that it is displayed in a glass case against a wall on a form... Sigh! Why can't museum people learn to display clothing correctly so it can be seen all the way around? (At least pit a mirror in the back!) Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 16:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1LwanE017121 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:58:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1Ll020032807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1LgGki028539; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Lg8BM028340 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:40:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 21:40:56.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0BF9690:01C5DF2C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Suzi Clarke >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be the only real answer. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 19:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA209PcT019355 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:09:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA208SQ7055398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA208NVZ045167; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA208Hfq045083 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67983 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051102000302.01d09cb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:08:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:40 01/11/2005, you wrote: >>From: Suzi Clarke >>Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the >>opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with >>18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that >>I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th >>century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > >It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible >to alter the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's >possible that may be the only real answer. Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie? I feel sure I have seen a buckle and strap on the body of the breeches, not just the waist, but can't call to mind if they were a pair of court breeches from the 19th century, or a pair of 18th century. Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides. Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside of the waistband, also to give grip. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 19:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA20Uls0019748 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA20UP7E057431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA20UKIk058522; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA20UBCX058424 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 08:30:07 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:38:13 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How long is your shirt underneath? If it is as long as it might have been in period times it should also help anchor the breeches up. Is it cotton or linen? Linen has more gripping power than cotton IMO. And don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of suspenders....... Regards, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, at 02:00 AM, Marc Carlson wrote: > I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair > of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since > there are some minor details that were left out in the construction > (like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice > heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such > needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees > behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* > my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms > up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to > actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > > I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to > keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, > which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem > really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > Thoughts? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 20:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA21mQXv021115 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA21li8D064281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21ld0f098154; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21lWGt098108 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lGam1lmJGIW+xs/wuRRs93xCRSySjd6tIy+AOlQI1UxXPcl1a53BDuP7CB6Ci2Ff; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.18.224] (helo=camelot01) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX7is-0005Pk-Bm for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:47:31 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: FW: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:47:36 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXZk6YYBIRtVhZHSBCx8dzrSRaQvgFu6CDg Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120762d80684c09f7cd0d85c08ff224244323e8b68dc13c4fd4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.18.224 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to forward without permission but, it looked like some did not know where to sign up. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Welcome to the 2005 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is November 1st. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.19th. _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Plan to mail your gift in early to mid December. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 5. After the sign-up period I will create a mailing list for all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 6. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. Additionally, someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends November 1st. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA235c4Y022414 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2356wg070309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2351wN033370; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f30.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA234vka033316 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:04:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:04:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 03:04:56.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[34536B20:01C5DF5A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:34:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23YomQ022838 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23YVQd073216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23YQ4B046099; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23YIqX045993 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 11:34:12 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:42:19 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". Regards, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate > coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The > pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at > the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:39:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23d2Mt022907 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23ca9E073697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23cZp4048185; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f40.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23cVAW048101 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:38:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:38:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:38:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 03:38:26.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[E26077E0:01C5DF5E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I appreciate it! :) >From: A & J Garden >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:42:19 +1100 > >I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". >Regards, Aylwen Garden > >http://www.regencyreproductions.com > >YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > >>Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? >>Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats >>look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top where >>the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:48:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23mmdG023038 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:48:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23mVqJ074276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23mRUE052424; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23mNut052364 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E39F3CEEE for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:48:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:49:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It looks something like this, http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. Dawn A & J Garden wrote: > I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". > Regards, Aylwen Garden > > http://www.regencyreproductions.com > > YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The >> pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at >> the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 00:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA25j8DB024505 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA25iApM083711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25i0LM003085; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25hs2K003038 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 13:43:36 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:51:41 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got my book as a remaindered library book - its the small hardback early edition - but everything inside is just the same. I found another pattern online that has the fold lines marked - http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg Cheers, Aylwen Dawn wrote: > It looks something like this, > > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm > > find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a > Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" > > Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. > > > > Dawn > > > A & J Garden wrote: > >> I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >> Clothes". >> Regards, Aylwen Garden >> >> http://www.regencyreproductions.com >> >> YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >>> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? >>> The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth >>> at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >>> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 00:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA25pR88024594 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:51:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA25oSxr084207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25oQN8005701; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA25oMS9005627 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19323 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2005 05:50:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rbVEc7TxmDdb4yiPKBOViz/5HdSuwOqAIju59Q/8zdSr9FiiZTtNDq6GJtQDLuUM7hhR3MaFhoXHoqa7Da99XkZ7LGYr7g+mtEo1sg5R+YPvrqP+fBB2InXTELVIU8ntAlwYAn57qHlgOGQZS0aiIi2WOotARS6celvS4F8ZpC4= ; Message-ID: <20051102055016.19321.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:50:16 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: children's sizing - very OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Kim and Ann - that is perfect! Annette M >>Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific >>pattern I may have over looked? > > > >Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 01:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA26wRRk025493 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA26vd8S089517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA26vYX5035677; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f14.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA26vUqj035478 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:57:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:57:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:57:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 06:57:23.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD4806B0:01C5DF7A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks so much! >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat >Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:49:29 -0600 > >It looks something like this, > >http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm > >find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a Jutaucorps >[sic] with pagoda sleeve" > >Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. > > > >Dawn > > >A & J Garden wrote: > >>I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >>Clothes". >>Regards, Aylwen Garden >> >>http://www.regencyreproductions.com >> >>YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >> >>>Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? >>>Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats >>>look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top >>>where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >>> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 03:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2855a2009283 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:05:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA284WMI094283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA284T9S064766; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA284OZt064719 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CF331915D for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:04:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:04:19 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051102080418.60CF331915D@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I used that pattern for my Captain Jack Sparrow cotume. And a pattern from I think Sinmplicity for the size. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18man/Jack/Jack.html It worked quite well. A & J Garden wrote: > I got my book as a remaindered library book - its the small hardback > early edition - but everything inside is just the same. > I found another pattern online that has the fold lines marked - > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg > Cheers, Aylwen > > > Dawn wrote: > >> It looks something like this, >> >> http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm >> >> find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a >> Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" >> >> Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> A & J Garden wrote: >> >>> I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >>> Clothes". >>> Regards, Aylwen Garden >>> >>> http://www.regencyreproductions.com >>> >>> YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >>>> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? >>>> The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay >>>> smooth at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 07:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2CfWR8029079 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2CexHA028993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2CerID068190; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2Cemtt068139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-50-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.50]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jA2CejFN025530 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:40:47 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:40:39 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So, what do you think? I have done so much reading that my head is > spinning with details. I don't see a lot of recreation in 1530, moreso in > the 1540 range, where there are some changes. I wish I had more non-royal > sources as I really don't need to be that high of class and I'd like to > know where I can legitimately skimp on the details. I'm just looking for > some feedback and corrections as needed because I want to go fabric > shopping within the week. > > -- > Elinor Salter OK, I've been looking through my files and for an example of a 1530s non royal portrait I've found this 1536 portrait of Elizabeth Widmerpole by Hans Holbein (I couldn't resist it as it's so close to my own name) http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/1536_Widmerpole.jpg it shows a definite wrinkle beneath her bust which shows that unboned bodices are period. This sketch of Mary Zouch from the 1530s shows the French Hood as worn in England at that time http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/maryzouch.jpeg (as the 1540s style of hood is slightly diferent as is the French version and the only other reference is Anne Boleyn) I can't work out where I got these images from originally so I've put them up on my website, apart from the wrinkle under the bust the portrait of Elizabeth Widmerpole is very similar to the portrait of Mary Boleyn I posted in my last message http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Boleyn,Mary.jpg and in all three the kirtle's neckline is not decorated (if you run short on time or money to bead your kirtle's neckline). http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/h/holbein/hans_y/index.html and look at Holbein's sketches (though only a few of them are on this site, I used to know a site that had all of them but I've changed computers and haven't transfered my favorites yet) These are all the non royal 1530s portraits I can find, but if I come across any more I will let you know. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2E1BYc030405 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2E0ZM4039439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2E0V7f005421; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2E0Qne005358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA2E0OjG031549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: <4368C636.9040800@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:59:18 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holbein at Portland, was re: Planning my first Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good news for Holbein fans in or near Portland, Oregon. NYTimes has an article today on the current exhibit at the Portland, Oregon museum of Art: "Madonna With Basel Mayor Jakob Meyer and His Family," is on view in the United States for the first time in a widely anticipated exhibition at the Portland Art Museum in Oregon." (That would be this one: http://www.portlandartmuseum.org/asp/special_exhibitions/exhibitions.asp?exhibitionID=39 "The show, "Hesse: A Princely German Collection," provides both a rare public glimpse of one of the finest private art collections in Europe and an indirect primer on German laws governing cultural patrimony: six paintings in the show, including the Holbein, are on that country's list of "unexportable national treasures." Also mentions some 15th century Flemish tapestries but doesn't specify. Runs through March 19. Full NYTimes article at: (free registration may be required to read article) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/02/arts/design/02hess.html?pagewanted=2&th&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1130938652-nNlXwHi5AgBqUkb/wV7oDA Information about the exhibit at: http://www.portlandartmuseum.org/asp/special_exhibitions/exhibitions.asp?exhibitionID=39 catalog and links to some images of the objects - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EJAFM030747 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EInPn040720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EIlgW014718; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EIi6Z014640 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AABD0144; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:18:37 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Nov 05 14:18:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c5dfb8$73975040$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:19:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had occasion to tighten such construction of the back band and solved the problem by cutting the back band at equal distance to the center,remove about an inch from the slit areas and rejoin the band ends. Since there is usually some ease already at this point, your re-adjust the gathers and should get a better fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter > the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be > the only real answer. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EKKkP030770 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:20:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EJkHB040822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EJkqW015280; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EJeKm015178 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AAF60174; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:19:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Nov 05 14:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5dfb8$92e3b420$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:20:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, the last message attached re band adjustment was from Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter > the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be > the only real answer. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EU4Is030984 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:30:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EThHg041605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2ETg54020514; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2ETbu1020410 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.235.2af012 (16781) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <235.2af012.309a2745@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:29:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/2/2005 12:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg > Great pattern Looks 1740s I made my pirate coat more like 1700-17-teens and used Norah Waugh. There's a justicorps where the side back comes out at about a 90 degree angle from the CB piece. No actual pleating required, it just falls into folds. Very easy to make but not a full as the pattern you posted....but still looks great. There's plenty of fabric. The cuff on the sleeves is real too...not added. The long bell shaped sleeve actually folds back and buttons to the upper part. The pocket flaps [and pockets] are low down on the coat. Very easy to make _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 10:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2FBa2H031710 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2FB8DX045158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2FB4D1045216; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2FB25W045194 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 10CC2B6BF; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.5.85.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.5.85]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 03202B561 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0cce01c5dfbf$ebb12590$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:13:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't checked out the legitimacy of this, but it might interest some of y'all: > Fwd: > From: Paladin Music & Entertainment > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:04:41 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [EKSouth] Casting Call of Interest to SCA Members. > > IMMEDIATE CASTING CALL > Paladin Music & Entertainment, Inc. is seeking > families for an ABC TV Reality Show. The families must > live the Renaissance, Fantasy or Medieval > lifestyle. Perfect for rennies, SCA, Markland, etc. > who have a love and passion for this way of life. > > Families must have one or more children ages > 5 - 19 and all live together. No criminal records. > > NO ACTORS. REAL FAMILIES ONLY PLEASE. PAY. Serious > inquiries only. For further details, please respond > to: Mr. Chris Lance at paladinmusic@yahoo.com with > full name, contact phone number and best time to > call. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 12:36:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2Haf5w001870 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2HZrOb063690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2HZg1s059822; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2HZbXZ059706 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:35:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:35:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511020804.jA284T7i064774@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:35:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 17:35:34.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4295820:01C5DFD3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: Suzi Clarke >Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?... No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, but I'll have to start looking at that. >Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two >pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and >slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides. I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something. >Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside >of the waistband, also to give grip. Another possiblity, thank you. ------------------------------ From: Garden >How long is your shirt underneath? Knee length, Linen. >...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as >you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist >and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of >suspenders....... Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm thinking for this very problem :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 14:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2JLL4P004031 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2JKlnc076844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2JKeXi048161; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA2JKVIB047868 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3635 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 19:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 19:20:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051102191513.01d62f68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:20:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200511020804.jA284T7i064774@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:35 02/11/2005, you wrote: >From: Suzi Clarke >>Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?... > >No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, >but I'll have to start looking at that. > >>Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone >>two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of >>course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give >>"grip" at the sides. > >I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict >stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something. > >>Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the >>inside of the waistband, also to give grip. > >Another possiblity, thank you. > >------------------------------ >From: Garden >>How long is your shirt underneath? > >Knee length, Linen. > >>...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same >>problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up >>higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although >>I'm starting to think of suspenders....... > >Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm >thinking for this very problem :) The earliest genuine trousers with buttons for suspenders (English translation - braces) that I have seen are c.1830. There are earlier ones, c.1760-1810, but as these, though genuine, are from a theatrical context, I cannot be certain that the buttons were not put on at a much later point in their history. Trousers buttoned on to upper garments were, of course, worn by late 18th century boys - the so-called skeleton suit. And 16-17th century hose/trunks/breeches were laced or hooked to the upper garments. It seems odd that only the 18th century breeches were intended to be self supporting. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 17:38:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2McETv007814 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2MbRqP003891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2MbKQA010997; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA2FK7Qu051038 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:20:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58986 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2005 15:19:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qkxmrn0sAOCi5nVrKhuZT7pn7Ytmjsyx/fHxxuKHtJQ63PgiIpNU0p6RO2sShvr4IwbPEIGTq0PF9TY62j3GfdrojkSBi4iC87abdpctl+XIWkQOF2HXCeiiPLuWXKY6U9eJVJlbB7Y8PUD5aCt0idCrSnwLSR7dlseXzndv1Q8= ; Message-ID: <20051102151959.58984.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:19:59 PST Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0cce01c5dfbf$ebb12590$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... E House wrote:I haven't checked out the legitimacy of this, but it might interest some of y'all: > Fwd: > From: Paladin Music & Entertainment > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:04:41 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [EKSouth] Casting Call of Interest to SCA Members. > > IMMEDIATE CASTING CALL > Paladin Music & Entertainment, Inc. is seeking > families for an ABC TV Reality Show. The families must > live the Renaissance, Fantasy or Medieval > lifestyle. Perfect for rennies, SCA, Markland, etc. > who have a love and passion for this way of life. > > Families must have one or more children ages > 5 - 19 and all live together. No criminal records. > > NO ACTORS. REAL FAMILIES ONLY PLEASE. PAY. Serious > inquiries only. For further details, please respond > to: Mr. Chris Lance at paladinmusic@yahoo.com with > full name, contact phone number and best time to > call. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 18:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2NVssh008672 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:31:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2NVSM3017343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2NVKll053110; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2NVFId053053 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 82486203FA; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.3.20.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.3.20]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 827DF2034B for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d4e01c5e005$c960f4c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051102151959.58984.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:33:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Seeing as I have no children and therefore won't be applying, do you know anything about this that you could tell us? My local list was briefly very interested in it, and then for no apparent reason decided it was a hoax. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" >I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, >he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 23:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA34Acp2013074 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA34A1lv050326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA349sFP013110; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA349ppp013047 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD21C3CEF9 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:09:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43698D8F.1080209@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:09:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051025205024.7577.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051025205024.7577.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] attn: Lynda Boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynda, Please email me your address for the Gift Exchange. I don't think my mail to you is getting through. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 08:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Dmnm0023901 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:48:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3DlspC012820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3DlnQ1078905; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Dlidb078820 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: <436A1548.5080607@msn.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:48:56 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , Dawn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 13:47:39.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[27CEDF50:01C5E07D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we have a lot in common! Good match Dawn! Sg I have posted this to the site too Dawn, I figure if I have this question, so will others. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 09:24:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3EOMha024976 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3ENvpY022285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3ENtEJ000471; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3ENpgl000410 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.164]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 42BFA5EE0AC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:23:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:23:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found such places? Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 10:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3FrRb3031680 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Fqpi1043906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3FqkAo057499; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA3Fqfvx057328 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37592 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2005 15:52:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IIOa/CZpLBly7ar5yneZjcISXiwUZhnd7E6fhyTCVXByV2eEKkyD6whJhY3m9Uow2+LNNYs2JehLkoqNgP8VLEIl+7RRpJyFuofazUumyksUUgl12tdsI2XKBN+f/upivsXIHVf111TKvs+zpp+PRGFxCSre4dDCXvUHf0RVshg= ; Message-ID: <20051103155235.37590.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:52:35 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0d4e01c5e005$c960f4c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Morning, No, sorry I don't. I can only suggest that you call Chris. He WILL call you back even if it takes a day or so. He's very good about that. Also, don't be put off by his nonstop talking :) The man has far more energy than one person should have and gets so excited about all the projects he works on. Feel free to cut him off and ask questions :) E House wrote: Seeing as I have no children and therefore won't be applying, do you know anything about this that you could tell us? My local list was briefly very interested in it, and then for no apparent reason decided it was a hoax. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" >I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, >he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:16:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GGDg1002761 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3GFYSS046796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GFPh4075021; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GFEaM074846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.164] (pool180-164.patriot.net [209.249.180.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA3GF3up012056 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:15:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:15:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds >like we have a lot in common! >Good match Dawn! I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the gift. But not beforehand. I imagine there will be a lot of talking once the gift-giving is done! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GJ38J003274 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3GIWTk047153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GIUZ0077389; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3FAVeA028832 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6126E3CEF3 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:10:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436A286F.5040006@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like > we have a lot in common! > Good match Dawn! You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a bit cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you need more info before chosing a gift, feel free. Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out today. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:41:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GfUTU008196 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Geuvo049997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GeoUM094630; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GeMte094354 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EC5DC1ECE37; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.198.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.198.120]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 28DCD1ECCDC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:39:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d6601c5e095$6da05460$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:41:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" > So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we > have a lot in common! > Good match Dawn! I second the question (great match). And since I'm now realizing how scanty my intro info was (I also like beads and jewelry-making! a lot!) I expect whoever got me might want to ask at least something or another. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 12:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3HYAPR013597 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HXXC9058484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HXQNG038608; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HXLn7038515 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27914 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:58:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Carol Kocian wrote: > >So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > >"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds > >like we have a lot in common! > > I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the > gift. But not beforehand. I imagine there will be a lot of talking > once the gift-giving is done! I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 12:41:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3HfJ6K014445 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:41:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HefRI059588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Heclw044710; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HeWF8044551 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28017 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:05:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:05:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does > anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens > jackets, are embroidered with? ... > Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Not sure about the spangles, but one huge source of glass beads would be Fire Mountain, at http://www.firemountain.com . They ship internationally. Be sure to check the "Outlet store" and "Great Product" sections of the site for bargains, as well as the main catalog. They might have something that works for spangles under metal beads or findings -- there's a lot of sterling, silverplate, and pewter. Warning: You can spend hours here. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 13:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3I2Fgj016501 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HuFPR061859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Hu2n9057656; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA3HtsmW057478 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46506 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 17:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.214.16 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 17:55:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051103175401.01d0ec58@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:55:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:23 03/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have >wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver >spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? >Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what >things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of >such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute >couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you >ever ben to paris and found such places? >Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! > >Bjarne Try http://www.creativebeadcraft.co.uk/pdf/BeadcraftPriceList.pdf#search='Ells%20and%20Farrier' or http://www.debbiesiniska.co.uk/beads/links.html You may not know all the people on the links page, although I am sure you know Ells and Farrier. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 13:19:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3IJYbx018456 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3IHQZl064892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3I0j4D061747; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f10.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3I0YPt061511 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:00:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:00:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.104.46.28] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <436A286F.5040006@reddawn.net> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:00:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 18:00:21.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[74F4B2F0:01C5E0A0] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I keep getting someone elses messages, I think you have the wrong email address. >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 > >WickedFrau wrote: > >>So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >>"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we >>have a lot in common! >>Good match Dawn! > > >You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be >completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. > >I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a bit >cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you need more >info before chosing a gift, feel free. > >Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out today. > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:25:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JPQra000301 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:25:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JO72I074658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JNnCk029742; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JNeNE029621 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9562338F2 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Hi, After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found such places? Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Bjarne Reply: http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=53 0-900-000 These are circular and not oval. I can't seem to find the papillon site back to see if you were really meaning circular or not. Crazy Crow Trading is a good company to deal with. If you have the time you may browse their site for other goodies.:) Their sequins/spangles come in two sizes, 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (roughly 1 1/2 cm ?). Brass and silver. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:28:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JSjHQ001385 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JRa8m075142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JRZhK032539; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JRTXH032361 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:27:16 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:26:59 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! --Robin ===================== Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something about the period? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JhVq0003468 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JbiOn076843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JbdAI040918; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JbUig040697 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29173 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:02:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and > now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good > choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! > Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something > about the period? Tee hee. Just did. It took me a while to figure out who, though. I don't pay much attention to post-1500 threads. I think I'll also take a spin through the archives. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:50:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JogdS004036 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:50:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JnteZ078243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JnldO050150; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Jnd7m050035 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EE2185EE05A for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:49:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c5e0af$b841dd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. I looked at your link and found this: German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does > anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the > mens > jackets, are embroidered with? > Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things > i > mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for > sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with > Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found > such places? > Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! > > Bjarne > > Reply: > http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=53 > 0-900-000 > > These are circular and not oval. I can't seem to find the papillon site > back > to see if you were really meaning circular or not. > Crazy Crow Trading is a good company to deal with. If you have the time > you > may browse their site for other goodies.:) > Their sequins/spangles come in two sizes, 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (roughly 1 > 1/2 cm ?). Brass and silver. > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JqiP7004167 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:52:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Jq1T5078475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JpqtY051836; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JpkZ4051776 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CD0B47FE9F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:51:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c5e0b0$0d982d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:51:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am going to do that two, and i hope it is allright to do this. New period, very exciting to try it out! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and > now > I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- > since I can't post my questions to the list! > > --Robin > ===================== > Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something > about the period? > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 15:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3KUcfN007963 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3KU3TO083797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3KTwbb082785; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3KTo2Y082675 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 336CA3390F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:29:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003201c5e0af$b841dd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. De -----Original Message----- Hi, It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. I looked at your link and found this: German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 16:26:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3LQAHh016688 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3LMnUf092156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3LMhfu026111; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3LMX2t025903 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF9102F4; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:22:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Nov 05 21:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c5e0bc$cfb44ae0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:23:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:01:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3M1W11022974 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3M0xtj099644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3M0rER056416; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3M0loo056229 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.183]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051103220040.SFOB28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c5e0c2$4cba9260$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Emery boards for fingernail filing work very well for delicate things like this, I use them for smoothing out the edges of plastic jewels and glass shisha mirrors for dance costumes. Added bonus, a pack of the disposable ones is usually very cheap. Sheridan > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:13:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3MDGub026098 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3MCpCW001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MCiRT065398; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MCYTT065202 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EXnJu-00051c-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:12:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been experimenting with making similar things -- see this page for my first attempts: http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm None of the things I've sewed these onto so far have seen much wear, but the edges of the metal are definitely _not_ sharp enough to cut fingers, and they don't seem to be doing any damage to the fabric they're sewed onto. The 32-gauge soft brass sheet I've been using can be cut with ordinary scissors and pierced by a needle, but I would not expect a punch designed to work on paper to be sharp enough or sturdy enough. A leather punch does work (the kind that is mounted on a straight rod that you hit with a hammer). One of my friends tried using some scrapbooking embossing-templates on this metal, and found that while she could get a design, the plastic template wasn't sturdy enough and got pretty well mashed in the process. Ideally, of course, one would use jewelry-making tools of hardened metal, but the softer metal tools designed for leather do work, though they probably won't last as long. If there's interest, I have a longer article on bezants that I can post on that web page as well. -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Nov 3, 2005 1:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Mw604030203 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3MvhfJ009688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Mvdwg000796; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MvWnh000663 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.25d.1cf20a (48624) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From some curious folks, myself included. Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? Thanks. Nancy On the Norsefolk list, a gentleman posted to ask whether the "Viking and Saxon" commercial costume patterns at http://www.caliverbooks.com/general/patterns.htm were worth buying. Has anyone seen these patterns? How accurate historically are they? Was there any documentation and if so was it any good? Were they easy to use or not? I'd like to solicit feedback that I can take back to the Norsefolk list. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Bright Hills, Atlantia "But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3NjAbP032644 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3NiRvr018588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NiOq1036621; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NiJFp036563 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B791836081 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:44:18 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:44:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001301c5e0bc$cfb44ae0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The stationary punches don't work real well with metal. What works to a degree are leather punches, dies and stamps. Smoothing the edge is recommended as the edge cut and will cut fabric, embroidery floss and your fingers. And it not cut snag you fabric and embroidery, as well as prick your finger(s). Emery board, metal file or dremil tool works. You don't have to do the whole thing, just where it is sharp. -----Original Message----- Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:49:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3NnGq7032721 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Nmqfe019896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NmpZb040322; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NmkCN040165 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA3NnGq7032721 Status: RO hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Nq68a000324 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Npju2020545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NphZl042732; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NpaDT042593 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A282019C; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:51:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Nov 05 23:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c5e0d1$a7f587c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You have probably saved me another hour of tinkering. I am quit amazed at the new tools for dealing with paper and wish someone would produce the same sort of thing for textiles! I remember the discussion on re discovering pinking tools and could yet hope that historical costume interest would come up with something that would more than "DO". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > I've been experimenting with making similar things -- see this page for my first attempts: > http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm > > None of the things I've sewed these onto so far have seen much wear, but the edges of the metal are definitely _not_ sharp enough to cut fingers, and they don't seem to be doing any damage to the fabric they're sewed onto. > > The 32-gauge soft brass sheet I've been using can be cut with ordinary scissors and pierced by a needle, but I would not expect a punch designed to work on paper to be sharp enough or sturdy enough. A leather punch does work (the kind that is mounted on a straight rod that you hit with a hammer). One of my friends tried using some scrapbooking embossing-templates on this metal, and found that while she could get a design, the plastic template wasn't sturdy enough and got pretty well mashed in the process. > > Ideally, of course, one would use jewelry-making tools of hardened metal, but the softer metal tools designed for leather do work, though they probably won't last as long. > > If there's interest, I have a longer article on bezants that I can post on that web page as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lloyd Mitchell > Sent: Nov 3, 2005 1:23 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > > Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently > the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and > have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the > fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins > will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a > problem. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > > > > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the > edges. > > > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi, > > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > > I looked at your link and found this: > > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th > century > > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA405PuI000621 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA404s8U022783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA404pK1051570; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA404k6v051499 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017004025F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:46 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.92ee9 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDaqWd2DoaXQIAAAAB,317296a0696f618db57d1e3b1db7eda3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: From: "jessica lynn potter" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:14:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40E415001683 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40DhI2023677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40Dg7k056916; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40DdoY056843 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.189 ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005110400132901400qlaoce>; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:13:29 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.189; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:13:28 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:13:28 +0000 Message-Id: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings everyone, This is a question for those who do blackwork. I've only done samplers of blackwork. Now, I would like to make myself a coif and do some blackwork on a shirt for my finace' for his Elizabethan garb. I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found several sites on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should do an outline of the coif pattern on the material then do the blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Also, I've noticed that many of the fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has like 28 or 32 count pieces of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the coif or should I buy regular even weave linen fabric? I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've figured out how to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any other part of the shirt. Thanks for any assistance. Roscelin BTW, thanks to everyone who gave suggestions about Elizabethan patterns for my future mother in law. It seems she had picked up a pattern the same day she asked me to get recommendations. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40SdNh002058 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:28:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40S8hg025633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40S5Rt065752; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40S1ec065683 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32541 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's a preliminary class list up at http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century V-neck gown. Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister by Nov. 9. If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:39:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40dXrR002276 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40dBec027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40dAs5072256; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40d76X072162 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.208.d6038f2 (15703) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57436aad9d2f3; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:38:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:39:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA40dXrR002276 Status: RO Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. Would appreciate any help and/or input. Thanks all, jessica -------Original Message------- From: Lalah Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: From: "jessica lynn potter" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:41:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40fcnp002344 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40fNNO027201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40fNmZ073453; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40fJSM073384 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE290224; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:41:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Nov 05 00:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436B127A.000001.30419@PHILLIPH> Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do try e-bay for older parts! Had great luck finding pieces for my older (and Beloved) Kenmore, recently Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40s9JA002604 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40rWAI029085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40rTPk080051; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40rQxZ080023 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so162469wra for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HfzI3K+LzrsFrq9imQF2MGft4eHErP/w9kJeSbh+BO0SOYDdpOAFlx/yVB7DsG4ZY7QUqA7n1CKO6F/L09/kt2SdkTiOxGtsDfQHol9LRSyE7CgRuqz5ULnYb9Q61oMSUV1eEms9y9MlRnvTMlYw0EXF8H2GJCfChNN3+Q8rX7o= Received: by 10.65.107.11 with SMTP id j11mr1211547qbm; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:53:25 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA40s9JA002604 Status: RO > > > I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found several sites > on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should do an outline of the > coif pattern on the material then do the blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Draw the outline of the coif on the linen. It is one piece. Then put the embroidery design on the coif. If you are willing to use modern methods, cut out a piece of tracing paper in the shape of the coif and trace the developed design onto the paper with a transfer pencil and iron it on the outlined coif. Or if you want to be period, draw it on (cartooning) on draw it on butcher paper and poke holes in it and sprinkle charcoal in the holes. I recommend the first. Also, I've noticed that many of the fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has > like 28 or 32 count pieces of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the > coif or should I buy regular even weave linen fabric? You can use this, but I use medium weight even weave white linen. Either way, I line it with white linen. I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've figured out how > to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any other part of the shirt You can count threads on the coif and shirt, or on the shirt you can use waste canvas. Instructions come on the package and you can get it at Michael's. 14 count is the most common. That means 14 stitches to the inch, but you can get a higher count (smaller design.) Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40sXZY002619 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40sGSd029170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40sGUB080499; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA40s0HT080329 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5199 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:53:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5175, pid: 5191, t: 1.5276s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:53:32 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165106.030a6cc0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines In-Reply-To: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The first thing I would do is call my local Singer sales/repair shop. Your machine is not so old that the parts may not be available. Joan At 12:39 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the >bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. > >Would appreciate any help and/or input. > >Thanks all, > >jessica > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Lalah >Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >--- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: >From: "jessica lynn potter" >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >hello everyone > >we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable >condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, >machine style number is 201k3e > >can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old >machines i can buy > >thanks all > >jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40uIH7002647 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:56:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40tooT029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40tov0081418; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA40tlpJ081391 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5597 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:55:20 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5589, pid: 5590, t: 1.3066s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:55:19 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165400.03099940@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:55:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09 010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:13 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote: >Greetings everyone, > > This is a question for those who do blackwork. I've only done > samplers of blackwork. Now, I would like to make myself a coif and > do some blackwork on a shirt for my finace' for his Elizabethan garb. > I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found > several sites on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should > do an outline of the coif pattern on the material then do the > blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Also, I've noticed that many of the > fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has like 28 or 32 count pieces > of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the coif or should I buy > regular even weave linen fabric? > I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've > figured out how to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any > other part of the shirt. > Thanks for any assistance. > >Roscelin > >BTW, thanks to everyone who gave suggestions about Elizabethan >patterns for my future mother in law. It seems she had picked up a >pattern the same day she asked me to get recommendations. The best way to do it is to outline the coif on your fabric; put it in the frame and work your pattern. Do not cut it out until you are done with the embroidery. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:25:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41PZKN003200 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:25:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41OwLk036718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41Otox099139; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41OpXq099034 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.230.4d7f52 (15898) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a436ab8531a4; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:24:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B28F9.000003.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:25:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165106.030a6cc0@pop.surewest.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41PZKN003200 Status: RO I will contact them and see what they have to say. Thank you, jessica & vicky -------Original Message------- From: Joan Jurancich Date: 11/03/05 16:54:29 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines The first thing I would do is call my local Singer sales/repair shop. Your machine is not so old that the parts may not be available. Joan At 12:39 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the >bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. > >Would appreciate any help and/or input. > >Thanks all, > >jessica > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Lalah >Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >--- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: >From: "jessica lynn potter" >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >hello everyone > >we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable >condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, >machine style number is 201k3e > >can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old >machines i can buy > >thanks all > >jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:28:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41SXoA003242 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:28:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41SHM6037305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41SGEi001005; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41SA0A000925 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.244.2dccee (16112) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef0436ab9201b9; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:28:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B29C5.000005.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:28:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41SXoA003242 Status: RO Thank you but we have never heard of this particular sewing machine and we are curious about it's age, you happen to know the year it was made? And yes we will have a look on ebay. Thanks, jessica & vicky -------Original Message------- From: Lloyd Mitchell Date: 11/03/05 16:44:07 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Do try e-bay for older parts! Had great luck finding pieces for my older (and Beloved) Kenmore, recently Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41VQoM003295 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41V5jQ037644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41V4oS002537; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41V1ma002462 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.140.4fef2f9b (16087) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed7436ab9c832e; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:30:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:31:26 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41VQoM003295 Status: RO Hello, can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? thank you, jessica & vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:37:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41bGec003382 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:37:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41ax2M038362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41av6W005653; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41aqYg005589 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m91.in-tch.com [216.166.191.91]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jA41Tbn23864 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:29:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00fc01c5e0e1$26782a80$5bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:43:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen it on any of the SCA lists I'm on, that I recall. Will be glad to forward.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. > > As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's > Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I > promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's > a preliminary class list up at > http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html > > I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, > the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century > V-neck gown. > > Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 > for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister > by Nov. 9. > > If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know > the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. > > And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, > and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm > in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture > brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41dnn5003443 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41dW8s038681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41dW1f006914; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41dQtO006839 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.119]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2005 09:39:21 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <436ABDB0.1040908@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:47:28 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> In-Reply-To: <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One place is http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ and the site has lots of info to read about it all as well. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com jessica lynn potter wrote: >Hello, > >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > >thank you, > >jessica & vicky >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 21:43:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA42h6ZF004667 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:43:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA42gRKV048207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA42gMwT037413; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA42gHpX037326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA44Ev5V010219 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:14:58 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:43:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511032143.15359.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 November 2005 5:57 pm, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > From some curious folks, myself included. > Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? > Thanks. I don't know, though I've run across the website in question before and I too am curious. Apparently "Petty Chapman" has his own website, here: http://www.pettychapman.co.uk/ He appears to be a vendor selling mainly to UK reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 23:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA44GLHK006408 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA44FhOh059362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA44FZLh079480; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA44FRxw079404 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a4.434a529e (3890) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:17 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can "google". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 00:18:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA45IiJL007327 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA45HW5Y067134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA45HQGC008134; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA45HM5o008045 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AED90284; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:17:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Nov 05 05:17:08 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e0ff$286ad720$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:18:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or Greenberg and Hammer Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: > > can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline > dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could > anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > > > > > try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can > "google". > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 01:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA466knr007766 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4654Xi071694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4651L0029778; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA464vNF029714 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E48F3394E for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:04:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:05:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200511032143.15359.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA464vNF029714 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Petty Chapman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe petty chapman is also a "title" of someone who sells small items. Sadly all the sites that I could find that sell petty chapman patterns don't have a picture and on one site they say that it is a book and not patterns. -----Original Message----- On Thursday 03 November 2005 5:57 pm, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > From some curious folks, myself included. > Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? > Thanks. I don't know, though I've run across the website in question before and I too am curious. Apparently "Petty Chapman" has his own website, here: http://www.pettychapman.co.uk/ He appears to be a vendor selling mainly to UK reenactors. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 02:22:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA47MqA7013910 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 02:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA47MPAr078994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA47MK3C062349; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA47MH83062318 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45868 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2005 07:22:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iTe+vXat8rgzsw9vwVLZ6aRetMQUqrd8AHj714XOne2Ou/l60YEe6B+zH6owsxSe5Uk/GBtyo3/xY571fPN+/JT5p2nJ6naRLpD7784wS1JVbS/RBM/y33/lkAkxiUThXFyuWl4LfEqLmWAw6QyohmKR0ppuoLl3ZN4+HgPGKTM= ; Message-ID: <20051104072212.45866.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:22:11 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511040416.jA44GMts079850@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wish it wasn't so far away from me - those sound like exactly the ones I would want to attend. Annette M Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's a preliminary class list up at http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century V-neck gown. Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister by Nov. 9. If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! --Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 05:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4A5SaA018067 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:05:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4A512E010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4A4w54023912; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4A4nrH023840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id D97C0849AB; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE6846D9 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:16 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000a01c5e127$310ee100$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200511040416.jA44GMtr079850@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-132.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA4A4nrH023840 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Use regular evenweave linen, of the best quality you can find. Use a filament silk thread. Mark the coif pattern on the linen, allowing yourself at least a 2" border all around. Mark on the embroidery pattern; however, if you can do the outline of the coif and the embroidery marking all in one go that's best. Don't fuss about the embroidery transfer being washable. In period the cartoons (embroidery designs) were marked in blue India ink and thus indelible. For the shirt you can choose to appliqué or work directly on the fabric. I'd choose the latter. Bind the edges of the fabric with a twill tape to protect the edges, then stretch on a roller bar frame, not a hoop. Go nuts. After you've finished embroidering unframe the items, cut them out and hand-sew together. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4C2SHe012089 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:02:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4BuoJN020487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4BuknG064802; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4BudO9064696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7A11CD578 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 32395-02 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C40A1CD566 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018301c5e136$c9ae3cd0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > Not sure about the spangles, but one huge source of glass beads would be > Fire Mountain, at http://www.firemountain.com . They ship internationally. > Be sure to check the "Outlet store" and "Great Product" sections of the > site for bargains, as well as the main catalog. > > They might have something that works for spangles under metal beads or > findings -- there's a lot of sterling, silverplate, and pewter. > > Warning: You can spend hours here. > > --Robin > And lots of money. I just bought some things to make a girdle, and spent $60 in under ten minutes! Would have been a whole lot more, but I already had the pearls. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:14:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CEucn012281 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CEbOM022818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CEaHI071096; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CEWbM071051 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a7.432e8822 (48552) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.432e8822.309caaa0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:24 EST Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clot To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Caliver books (run by Dave Ryan) are regulars on the UK re-enactment trading scene. So is Petty Chapman (Dave Rushworth). I've never used any of the patterns sold by Caliver, (I cut my own), so can't say how accurate or otherwise, or how easy to use. Did once use some of Dave Rushworth's patterns once, at a customer's insistence - will never do it again. Over complicated, and seemed to be completely arbitrary whether you got instructions or not! I worked it out, but as I cut my own patterns already, I'm pretty advanced - anyone with less experience may have problems. Have heard that others have had problems too. These are of course, my personal experiences, and others may have had no problems at all, but just thought I should mention it. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CWai5012632 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CWDUx024202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CWCvT077908; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CW7wB077821 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e8.1fabefc0 (15901) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d436b54ba3ca; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:31:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC562.000003.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:32:34 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <436ABDB0.1040908@earthlydelights.com.au> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4CWai5012632 Status: RO hi Aylwen thanks this is worth looking into, as i am now starting work for the first time on crinolines and hoopskirts thank,s jessica -------Original Message------- From: A & J Garden Date: 11/03/05 17:39:47 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses One place is http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ and the site has lots of info to read about it all as well. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com jessica lynn potter wrote: >Hello, > >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > >thank you, > >jessica & vicky >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CYPZ7012696 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:34:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CYADl024427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CYA72078844; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CY6UY078774 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.dc.31a69f8d (16086) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6436b5523231; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:33:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC5C8.000005.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:34:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4CYPZ7012696 Status: RO hey hun thanks i will have a look into thias as soon as i have 5 mins to spare hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Cheryldee@aol.com Date: 11/03/05 20:16:26 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can "google". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ECDAU014526 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EBhep034268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBeET020043; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBaH9019977 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:26 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I second the recommendations to use linen and draw the pattern for the coif directly onto the fabric. I would recommend regular linen from a good fabric store, slightly heavier than a weight you might be using for the shirt. I don't know how much embroidery you have done but if you are wanting a counted type pattern on the shirt, give a try at just eyeballing it :). Also, a lot of the shirts, and the coifs, were not done in counted patterns but used a variety of stitches. Stem/outline stitch was very commen. There is a Blackwork group on Yahoo that also might be able to help. As stroll through the picture files will give you a lot of inspiration too. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ECf9a014539 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4ECLB5034372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4ECKYx020372; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBgdt020048 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06262 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:36:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:36:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <018301c5e136$c9ae3cd0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > Warning: You can spend hours here. > And lots of money. I just bought some things to make a girdle, and > spent $60 in under ten minutes! Would have been a whole lot more, but > I already had the pearls. You got off easy ;-) I shop the sale stuff once or twice a year, when there's enough to make a big order. I made an order last week; it came to $450. (Well, when you're at 90 strands or so, it makes sense to go for the even hundred and the 10 percent discount.) This is because I know I will return half for inadequate quality. I have learned how to work with their return policy! Of course, half of 100 strands is still 50 strands... They're by no means my favorite vendor. My favorite is South Pacific. --Robin jeweler on the side _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4EH4jF014643 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EGkON034822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EGjN0022758; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CZJFw079351 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.74.60501d96 (16086) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6436b5578356; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC4F5.000001.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:30:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <001d01c5e0ff$286ad720$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4EH4jF014643 Status: RO hey kathleen , thanks for that, it will be useful, ,as i am starting crinoline dress making for the first time as such, and its not like my usual sewing work, so all you tell me i absorb, thanks jessica -------Original Message------- From: Lloyd Mitchell Date: 11/03/05 21:18:25 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses Or Greenberg and Hammer Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: > > can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline > dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could > anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > > > > > try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can > "google". > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:59:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ExTqN015637 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EwiOx039262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4Eweuf045503; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EwaCJ045390 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:58:27 -0800 Message-ID: <436B7764.8090707@msn.com> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:59:48 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vovvie@msn.com, "h-costume@indra.com" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 14:58:27.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[366291F0:01C5E150] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Attention Yvonne Schnyder-H-cost list wrong address X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Yvonne, it is not clear who you are adressing this to. Dawn, me (Sg), or the list? YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > Hi, I keep getting someone elses messages, I think you have the wrong > email address. > > >> From: Dawn >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 >> >> WickedFrau wrote: >> >>> So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >>> "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds >>> like we have a lot in common! >>> Good match Dawn! >> >> >> >> You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be >> completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. >> >> I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a >> bit cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you >> need more info before chosing a gift, feel free. >> >> Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out >> today. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 11:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4GCBeY016911 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4GBT7a047542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GBPsx095655; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA4GBLqJ095600 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15940 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:10:16 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could help me...... I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's through the 1800's but it is more expensive. I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not sure if the price is reasonable or not. If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I will do so. Happy Sewing, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 11:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4Guuhv017754 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4GuUGs054093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GuQNJ032053; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GuO7B032011 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so332181wra for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MguWN7jJFkOW303Ew/To6VnbmzlJgw9IdmNItX9HAJp4bkUh5SVA5Ksnzy5ku4Vka3xTv0Kupn0P+OF6+rZJrPMfZVllVS07VP8JedEBOYkM619dwWuXwSAQJUc5COEbCsyaRyL2p7CDBcSsMFLGqv+k8g8N0OUDurfYG6rf/uQ= Received: by 10.65.241.14 with SMTP id t14mr2311494qbr; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:56:23 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4Guuhv017754 Status: RO > > > I don't know how much embroidery you have done but if you are wanting a > counted type pattern on the shirt, give a try at just eyeballing it :). I don't recommend this as the pattern could become way off. Also, a lot of the shirts, and the coifs, were not done in counted > patterns but used a variety of stitches. Stem/outline stitch was very > common. Holbein, or double running stitch is much more common outline stitch and more authentic for a simple design. For more elaborate designs braid stitch etc. If you aren't much of an embroider I recommend the Holbein.You can find good simple designs at www.blackworkarchives.comand http://aeg.atlantia.sca.org/index.htm can give you patterns and refer you to other places. There is a referal page on each to sites with period patterns. There is a Blackwork group on Yahoo that also might be able to help. > As stroll through the picture files will give you a lot of inspiration > too. I recommend it. I'm a member. Also look at the photogallery for ideas. -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 12:30:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4HU8wC018479 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4HNDFF058069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4HN4JY052088; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4HN0Ai052022 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24788.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.136]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8955447FE89 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:22:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5e164$68359b50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net><436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:23:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Diana, Silk taffetas comes in 2 main types. One is heavy weaved, very stiff and stout, and another is much lighter. So it depends what you want to use it for. I would say that the thinner quality, is useable, for bodices jackets and the likes, if you interline it with a stiffer fabric. The heavy sort is my ideal for costumes. Skirts drapes very beautifull with this. Prices varies a lot here in Denmark. I can easy pay up to 1000,00 kr. wich is about 160 dollars a meter. This is a very fine silk shop, and you pay extra because they have a huge amount of colours and different kinds of silk fabrics to choose from Another cheap fabric shop sometimes have taffeta, but it is a lesser fine quality, but the same weight and stiffnes for about 25 dollars. Mostly they only carries the colours you choose for bridal wear, different whites. This sort has some weave faults, but only little. Finally i found another shop wich sells this fine quality for 350,00 kr. wich is about 58 dollars, but they only have a little colour range. Happy sewing to you two! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta > Hello everyone, > > I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could > help me...... > > I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical > costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta > is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's > through the 1800's but it is more expensive. > > I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not > sure if the price is reasonable or not. > > If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What > colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please > respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) > > Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I > will do so. > > Happy Sewing, > > Diana > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:07:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4J7rsS020595 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4J6La2072053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4J6Bo7029771; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4J2abj027011 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so313663wri for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QCVkYmrRjDTaHhAF+YWzHHUdA261AVlupDGCzaHL0prtqD7HTnZH+TIdZrx5ST1sCnEYjB1FtC14Bl6Z74DB77M3gfNjequ41yx+N/mgKAy6vd2R8XmpPwAq7uQvPZXIEMBf53Ku2b6BY+aR7/3yGxbf2vbVrt15QsiM4q0DIjk= Received: by 10.65.240.7 with SMTP id s7mr2473834qbr; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.10 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA4J2abj027011 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? I'm fond of www.Greenberg-Hammer.com Look for hoop wire in the boning section. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:20:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4JK0m0020880 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4JJbwW073480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JJWQR038948; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JJRXo038847 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246B6210187 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12422-01-97 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76658210186 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a401c5e174$a489fe10$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > You got off easy ;-) I shop the sale stuff once or twice a year, when > there's enough to make a big order. I made an order last week; it came to > $450. > > (Well, when you're at 90 strands or so, it makes sense to go for the even > hundred and the 10 percent discount.) > > This is because I know I will return half for inadequate quality. I have > learned how to work with their return policy! Of course, half of 100 > strands is still 50 strands... > > They're by no means my favorite vendor. My favorite is South Pacific. I actually felt guilty spending that much--we are on a VERY tight budget, which is going to get tighter, since we just were told that we need to be out of our house within 30-60 days. (No, we didn;t do anything wrong. The house is owned by a mall company, and they are going to demolish it to put up a sign.) And my husband found out Monday that the radio station he works at was just sold to Cumulus. So, I think my fabric and gem buying is going to be severely limited for a while! (Thanks heavens I just indulged my wool yearnings recently!) Anyhoo, I considered just passing on the girdle for now, but I've been wanting one for a long time, and I plan on entering this one in the East Kingdom A&S comp at 12th Night, so I need plenty of time to get it done!! I haven't ordered from South Pacific yet, though I drool copiously over their catalogs. Just waiting for the mailman to come to the door... I was so good, and so focused--I wanted to make garb, and only garb. Then I made friends with a jeweler, and a spinner. Now I want to make the jewelry for all my garb, and spin and weave the wool, and use handspun silk as laces for my gowns..ACK! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:39:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4Jd0e9021353 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:39:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4JcNxa077371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JcK9Y053499; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/zSY3jTTW+uAtj9ljJjmpHI3s2QdZ9gSI@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JcDNd053421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA4JD1Od007806 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:01 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jA4JD014007804 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:00 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20051104191300.GA7696@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <200511041656.jA4GuTRv032077@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511041656.jA4GuTRv032077@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta (Diana Habra) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dupioni (or something similar) was sold historically, so it CAN be used. Here's a website about that: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/silk.html But to answer your other questions, I like shot silks. I'd like to pay less than $15/yd for an 18mm taffeta. Kate > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello everyone, > > I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could > help me...... > > I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical > costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta > is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's > through the 1800's but it is more expensive. > > I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not > sure if the price is reasonable or not. > > If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What > colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please > respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) > > Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I > will do so. > > Happy Sewing, > > Diana > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 17:57:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4MvBJo025325 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:57:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4MuaGX006516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4MuQcN004062; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA4MuNhw003962 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75375 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2005 22:56:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zx/Xk7zlyKX/oXuweTIjHgYrI49/hYrCBTEzLveOuine7h9EC1C9fCeGFreVEpMfT1Gs8pT9RQQHyxtn64PJlWsEuw9RVOSpuVzY/GOFADEjAq6lT3EtQH9HGYuc1M5om98fB8q9Zy/v1z741wHqdX1DI4ScX66SFzGoNYp2UKc= ; Message-ID: <20051104225617.75373.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.27] by web51301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:56:16 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <436B127A.000001.30419@PHILLIPH> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I strongly recommend bringing your machine to a Singer or multiple brands repair shop that isn't in a fabric store. My 1951 Singer cast-iron monstrosity got a new bobbin case that fit only after I tried several; all the bobbin cases were class 15, as is my machine, but the cases are machined to very close tolerances, which don't match every machine. The store isn't a store-front any more, or I would recommend them highly. Ann in CT --- jessica lynn potter wrote: > > > hello everyone > > we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and > its in reasonable > condition, but we are in need of a new or decent > bobbin case, > > machine style number is 201k3e > > > > can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap > reliable old machines i can > buy > > thanks all > > jessica > > -------Original Message------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 04:27:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA59RLpM021353 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:27:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA59QS6E080046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA59QOIc088697; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA59QLJs088634 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 7.1b8.1f9bd503 (57365) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:26:12 EST Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd normally expect to pay anything from about 15 GBP (wholesale) or 25 GBP (retail) to over 200 GBP, depending on the weight, and where it's woven (obv. if woven in China or India it's cheaper than if Western European, because of lower labour cost). (That's something like 25 USD - 350 USD.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 05:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5A9uMC030640 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5A9UFi091857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5A9Tx8008889; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA5A9OJF008836 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 10947 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 10:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 10:09:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051105100620.01d76c28@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:09:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta In-Reply-To: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> References: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA5A9OJF008836 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:26 05/11/2005, you wrote: >I'd normally expect to pay anything from about 15 GBP (wholesale) or 25 GBP >(retail) to over 200 GBP, depending on the weight, and where it's woven (obv. >if woven in China or India it's cheaper than if Western European, because of >lower labour cost). > >(That's something like 25 USD - 350 USD.) And how much you buy. It's always cheaper to buy in bulk. Also if you are buying by mail order, you have to factor in mailing costs, and the iniquitous VAT which goes on these as well as the goods. (Debs where do you buy at £15.00? Please mail me privately if you have time.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 06:33:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5BXrDg016810 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5BXKoh005033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BXF3Q047341; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BXBRi047258 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.244.4f1596 (15877) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbd964b.ipt.aol.com [172.189.150.75]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e05436c986928; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436D0914.000001.40155@PHILLIPH> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:33:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051104225617.75373.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.150.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA5BXrDg016810 Status: RO hey ann thanks for that advice, yes i fully understand, i personally prefer the older machines to the latest modern stuff, somehow, as they seem to suit me better hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Ann Catelli Date: 11/04/05 14:57:56 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines I strongly recommend bringing your machine to a Singer or multiple brands repair shop that isn't in a fabric store. My 1951 Singer cast-iron monstrosity got a new bobbin case that fit only after I tried several; all the bobbin cases were class 15, as is my machine, but the cases are machined to very close tolerances, which don't match every machine. The store isn't a store-front any more, or I would recommend them highly. Ann in CT --- jessica lynn potter wrote: > > > hello everyone > > we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and > its in reasonable > condition, but we are in need of a new or decent > bobbin case, > > machine style number is 201k3e > > > > can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap > reliable old machines i can > buy > > thanks all > > jessica > > -------Original Message------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 06:40:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5BeRJr017897 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:40:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5BZJRk005318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BZJgo048343; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BZFi6048276 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.140.50096736 (15864) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbd964b.ipt.aol.com [172.189.150.75]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df8436c98e0312; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436D098C.000003.40155@PHILLIPH> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:35:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.150.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA5BeRJr017897 Status: RO hi cynthia yes thanks that will be useful, as i am now embarking on hoopskirts for the first time, and i expect to make a few disasters on he way this link will be really useful. thank you hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Cin Date: 11/04/05 11:07:24 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? I'm fond of www.Greenberg-Hammer.com Look for hoop wire in the boning section. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 13:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5I6GxX012537 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5I4H5c079552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5I4BvU091524; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5Hj7io082479 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5HbxLs010267 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:37:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:37:46 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, This is a 'Plantive Cry for Help' .... Can anyone out there direct me to a site or give me some hints on the best way to construct the giant hoop skirt needed for Mother Ginger in Nutcracker? The director would like a wide 18th Century oval/pannier style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. (Mother herself will be standing on a ladder under the dress and will be pulled across the stage on a dolly.) Low cost and speed of construction is, as always, a major consideration. What would be sturdy enough not to twist? Or is that helped by putting actual panniers on the "hips"? Storage through the rest of the year is also problematic. If I used the hoop connectors from Farthingales and their hoop steel, could I take it apart after the performances and store it in pieces? I'd greatly appreciate any help from anyone who's done this costume or even peeked inside one! Thanks Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60HL5K018472 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60G10P029793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60Ft6w044490; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA60FpkP044432 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92624 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 00:15:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oSG9zQyylj2zNDS1W9E8wST98gtWubMYGJJVYY0P6CqlHmALo9p0DsJgu7RnremscBfPSyiSeOnCSCL+n7+obl2JJu+GvohD0jXF5DlElZoLjvtrbrtp6p8VezHmgDXMT4J6Y0yz1bPN0Ym/4e/1Oa3RvadfGAjLPl0un+J+5IQ= ; Message-ID: <20051106001545.92622.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:15:45 GMT Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:15:45 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] UK silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >(Debs where do you buy at £15.00? Please >mail me privately if you have time.) >Suzi I'd love to know too - if it is ok, could you tell me too?! Pretty pretty please. Katherine de la finding reasonable wholesalers thin on the ground. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60J9qS018499 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60IprM029957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60Ipo9045623; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60ImNN045578 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA263CF00 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:18:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D4C02.9010300@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:19:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy Hoover wrote: > The director would like a wide 18th Century oval/pannier > style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. Sounds like a tent. And for cheap tent supports we used to use plastic plumbing pipe and connectors from the hardware store. Goes together like tinkertoys. The thinner piping should be bendable, to a degree. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:24:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60OAXM018569 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:24:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60NoOT030346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60NlrT047618; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60NiHM047559 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E1C3CEFD for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:24:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 20:43:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA61hnw5019789 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:43:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA61h5Z6037754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA61h2eD079434; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA61gwx8079346 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF9B0250; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:42:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 01:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:43:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which adds interest to the bias cut in back. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 21:36:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA62aGSn020505 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:36:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA62Zh3J043672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA62ZdV4002001; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA62ZZkJ001968 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A8B236154 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:35:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:35:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was guessing the pattern looks late 30s. The 20s usually had a drop waist or no waist. I found this comes close to a late 20s. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V8070=x&T I=20009&page=1 This one is weak but passable for 20s. http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4995.htm?tab=costumes&page=1 20s style http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4093=x&TI=10 013&page=5 Passable http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T I=20003&page=8 -----Original Message----- Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which adds interest to the bias cut in back. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 22:01:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA631k5L020915 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:01:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA631O2p045439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA631LZV011110; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA631HLG011035 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDE03CF02 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:01:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:01:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > Kathleen > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern doesn't have that option. I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:04:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA654lON022618 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA654FgU054269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA654Bak054054; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6547XK054014 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AEC00258; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:04:00 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:03:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:05:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same pattern... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > > Kathleen > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern > doesn't have that option. > > I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at > CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster > outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:16:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65GfEs022813 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65FuVr054935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65FtnE057865; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65FpbC057835 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1800264; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:15:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:15:39 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c5e291$494ac7a0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:16:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are looking at the 1920s, The first Vogue pattern conforms best for the necessary hipline, which should "touch" but not necessarily bind or reveal. The other two have some of the elements of the design but are too retro and use far more fabric than the simplicity and economy of line that is more faithful to the era. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > I was guessing the pattern looks late 30s. The 20s usually had a drop waist > or no waist. > I found this comes close to a late 20s. > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V8070=x&T > I=20009&page=1 > This one is weak but passable for 20s. > http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4995.htm?tab=costumes&page=1 > 20s style > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4093=x&TI=10 > 013&page=5 > Passable > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T > I=20003&page=8 > > -----Original Message----- > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65KIBn022915 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65JtUb055180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Jttw059240; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Jn4i059187 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A26E0224; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:19:42 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:19:37 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c5e291$d6e20880$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:20:42 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Having just caught the 'occasion', the last Vogue is a good choice, I think because it does treat the hips in the manner that evolves from the simpler columnar line of the 20s. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > > Kathleen > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern > doesn't have that option. > > I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at > CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster > outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65X34o023168 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65WclH056145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Wb8Z064005; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web40429.mail.yahoo.com (web40429.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA65WajN063972 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10854 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 05:32:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K3SasEZSu6UAgNO66Lw92iWr9xCjw+XvN4rRuqK6nmJ1RGsI1pf11Irp+HFgD3VZLOtakDjKb3L8/BdJZtccOblzEAvsQcZJrVKHJ6mgomWhG/Zs7GI05M9MI1TQrf3dFGnA69oPBU0ecBaQ2LE/tz8aQjqsnuN0WlmLg+XStd4= ; Message-ID: <20051106053230.10852.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web40429.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:32:30 PST Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511051900.jA5J0HFs016007@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hoops for Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Mother Ginger costume for my daughter's ballet company has a frame made from plastic plumbing pipe (the white kind, about 2-3" in diameter). It's a very large pannier shape, which is attached to a suspender-type contraption. (We have a very tall woman to play MG, she also wears platform shoes.) Our MG can hide about 10+/- kids under her skirt. The MG dress is in two pieces, the skirt which is attached to the framework and the bodice which MG wears. The skirt has a basque to slide under the bodice to make it look like one piece. Hope that helps... ~mary > From: "Kathy Hoover" > Subject: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger > > Hello all, > This is a 'Plantive Cry for Help' .... > Can anyone out there direct me to a site or give me some hints on > the > best way to construct the giant hoop skirt needed for Mother Ginger > in > Nutcracker? The director would like a wide 18th Century > oval/pannier > style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. > (Mother herself will be standing on a ladder under the dress and > will be > pulled across the stage on a dolly.) Low cost and speed of > construction > is, as always, a major consideration. What would be sturdy enough > not > to twist? Or is that helped by putting actual panniers on the > "hips"? > Storage through the rest of the year is also problematic. If I > used > the hoop connectors from Farthingales and their hoop steel, could I > take > it apart after the performances and store it in pieces? > > I'd greatly appreciate any help from anyone who's done this costume > or > even peeked inside one! > > Thanks > Kathy Hoover > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 02:03:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA673B5j025396 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA672ggX061409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA672ceZ095023; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA672ZWZ094996 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 528E53393F for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:02:34 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:02:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004301c5e291$494ac7a0$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was suggesting patterns to Dawn. The first one does come close. I am in the planning stages with this one. The lining will be black satin with a red semi opaque material with black flocked(?) tendril design for the outer part. Trying to decide whether to have the vee at the collar the red with a black satin insert or a black satin vee with red insert. It's been a loooong while since I created sleeves for a sleeveless dress pattern. Anyway, the McCall's as I said is a weak design for the 20's but has elements akin to Erte'. The butterick is similar to a dress from a late 20s fashion plate. (Sorry, don't have a URL, was just working on a design more then looking to make it authentic) The underdress in the plate was a bit shorter and the sleeves were slightly different. The last Vogue has darts in the overdress and zipper in the back which I have yet to see in a 20s era dress. The underdress is great. De -----Original Message----- If you are looking at the 1920s, The first Vogue pattern conforms best for the necessary hipline, which should "touch" but not necessarily bind or reveal. The other two have some of the elements of the design but are too retro and use far more fabric than the simplicity and economy of line that is more faithful to the era. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 02:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA67hEQC025975 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA67goHO063935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA67gmc8009159; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA67gjSE009133 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E53C634D06 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:42:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:42:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Look what I found 1934 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2609=x&T I=20006&page=2 1928 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2535=x&T I=20006&page=3 1931 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2241=x&T I=20006&page=3 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 10:14:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6FEfHa013840 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6FE17j003745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FDvpg058258; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FAKSg056997 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839233CF02 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:10:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436E1CFA.8010808@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:10:50 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > Passable > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T > I=20003&page=8 Oooh, yummy! Thanks for the link, I wouldn't have thought to look at Vogue. I love the lace overlay and that it has a sleeved version. I get cold with exposed shoulders. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 10:27:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6FRMU5013948 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6FQvAf008881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FQuDW062975; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FQqaO062928 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E4C3CEF0 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:26:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436E20E0.5030109@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:27:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same > pattern... > Kathleen Hmmn. I will have to take a better look at it next week when they go on sale. The pattern info on the website only shows yardage for one dress. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 15:14:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6KEnk6019382 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6KE1AF035348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6KDrnr082232; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6KDlUC082193 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYqtd-0003a9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <6001025.1131308024986.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:13:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you looked at FolkWear? I just put the Monte Carlo dress-- http://www.folkwear.com/264.html --up on stage on Lucy, in a 'twenties production of Dracula. In ivory satin, with ivory chiffon for the overpiece, it's very 'twenties, very slinky, very wow. I'd imagine those qualities would persist or even intensify in other colors! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Sent: Nov 6, 2005 10:27 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same > pattern... > Kathleen Hmmn. I will have to take a better look at it next week when they go on sale. The pattern info on the website only shows yardage for one dress. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 02:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA77b2Xc006281 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA77aPo1092857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA77aKu2057458; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA77a0Op057323 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051107073512.BMZI29216.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:35:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-Id: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> From: Max Callahan Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:34:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 03:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA789MYU014595 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 03:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA78925P095653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7890S8071772; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA788u7L071747 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.12]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B6C8B5EE04F for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:08:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:09:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Debbie, Gosh this must be an unknown bodice to us! I have never seen or heard of it before. Also beading and feather pattern, is very interresting, and pink two. My guess is that it looks similar to the pale blue bodice of the London museum. It is a joy to all of us, that events like this still is happening, to fill out the gashes of mystery. Yesterday i was at an antique fair in Copenhagen (huge one) and found a german costume book, wich i never have seen before. Its from 1919, and even that the black and white pictures are lousy, they are very valuable to me.There is a drawing in it of the caraco jacket in Köhlers book, both the front and the back, and a striped redingote with huge buttons from the late years, and and........ Most of the costumes, are german from collektions wich dont excist any more. The eldest garment is a mans italian renaissance doublet, with multi puffed sleaves. I never saw that either, it is mid 16th century and the book claims it is a mixture of the italian and spanish fashion. Title of the book is Kostümkunde für samler. Thanks for posting this, i would die to se a picture of that bodice, and i hope it will be sold to a museum, so that we shall get more informations of it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Callahan" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > Hello all! > I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across > an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know > more about. I found an article on the net ... > > http://tinyurl.com/brxjg > -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ > archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... > > It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design > of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This > sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing > from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less > pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a > temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the > bottom > of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance > and > I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they > have updated info... > Hopefully, one of the links will work! > Thanks for any help, > Debbie Callahan :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 07:54:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Cs3H1001031 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7CrJmZ032294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7CrGXk077601; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7CrBV7077581 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.146.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.146] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EZ6Un-0002nN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:50:31 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. " I assume that last was meant to be "bulletin board." PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 08:59:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Dx14g001791 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7DwIIx038690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DwFXK007018; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DwBkh006961 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.12]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EBF355EE042 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c5e3a3$62cd18f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net><005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Could it be because the bodice was sold last year, and they have then removed the picture for more bandwidth? What happened to the bodice, who baught it? I think the list is very quiet, are everybody making hooliday gift exchages? I am, almost finished with mine! Bjarne who cant postpictures, it is a seacret you know! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of this > item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. > Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect > either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. " > I assume that last was meant to be "bulletin board." PA Picselect said > there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to > locate the PA bulletin board. > > Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GFtZ9004466 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:15:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GFGPc053691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GFAsl090758; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA79CJJ5096039 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jA79C3H11474.; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:12:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:12:03 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:11:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA7GFtZ9004466 Status: RO I would love to see a picture of this. I see it was more than a year ago, but I've never heard of it before. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mcallahan@cox.net 07/11/2005 07:34 >>> Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:17:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GH6tS004480 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GGhK5053879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GGfY8091995; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DNmUV090923 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:23:42 -0800 Message-ID: <436F55B6.1020305@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:25:10 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 13:23:42.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7949BA20:01C5E39E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You did better than I did. I couldn't find either the folder or the bulletin board. I just registered for the site too. Waiting to get confirmation. Melanie Schuessler wrote: > One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of > this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA > Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts > section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through > the PA bulleting board. " I assume that last was meant to be > "bulletin board." PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS > folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. > > Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > I ju _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:17:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GHWnn004487 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GH9O4053974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GH8q3092355; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DfPVN098071 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A97F0190; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Nov 05 13:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:42:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) I just entered the" picselect" site that someone reports as a visual source for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen" bugles' and 'feathers' as a design feature for this period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Callahan" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > Hello all! > I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across > an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know > more about. I found an article on the net ... > > http://tinyurl.com/brxjg > -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ > archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... > > It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design > of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This > sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing > from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less > pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a > temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the > bottom > of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long > distance and > I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if > they > have updated info... > Hopefully, one of the links will work! > Thanks for any help, > Debbie Callahan :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:24:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GOqxl004724 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:24:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GOQF6054931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GOMWS098083; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GOHDU097954 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <436F8005.4030907@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:25:41 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 16:24:12.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[B05B4920:01C5E3B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they decide! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 12:46:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Hktb6006228 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7HkGrM066783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7HkA4J065997; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7Hk4CO065862 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: <436F932F.4020901@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:47:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 17:45:59.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D1AF140:01C5E3C3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Picselect no longer has the images. I have sent an email to the Dept. of Media, Art and Sport to see what else they can tell us. I'll keep you updated. Sg WickedFrau wrote: > I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further > information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they > decide! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 14:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7JrHiJ008201 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:53:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7JqgKZ083766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7JqZ2i069134; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7JqUjw069060 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EZD2b-000B1v-7r for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:52:29 +0000 Message-ID: <7GVcBACBB7bDJwhg@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:51:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The bodice is not a fantasy, since we have a government press release saying it has been held back from export (I don't believe everything the government tells us, but I don't think press officers make things up that are so far from the headlines). Since the owner is not identified, I would guess it is from a private collection and may never have been displayed or referenced. The "picselect" site seems to belong to the Press Association, so maybe they just put pictures up for a short time while they are current. Jean Lloyd Mitchell wrote >Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) > > >I just entered the" picselect" site that someone reports as a visual source >for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are >interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that >this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen" bugles' and >'feathers' as a design feature for this period. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Max Callahan" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM >Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > > >> Hello all! >> I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across >> an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know >> more about. I found an article on the net ... >> >> http://tinyurl.com/brxjg >> -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ >> archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... >> >> It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design >> of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This >> sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing >> from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less >> pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a >> temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the >> bottom >> of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long >> distance and >> I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if >> they >> have updated info... >> Hopefully, one of the links will work! >> Thanks for any help, >> Debbie Callahan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 15:38:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7KcsPL008900 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7KcMua090671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7KcHs9006584; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7KcADo006340 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051107203715.MJEI776.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:37:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Max Callahan Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:36:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the quick replies everyone! I'm fascinated that there may be this newly found piece out there somewhere that might add clues as to construction and technique. Makes me think of a Costume College I went to and Sally Queen was teaching. She said something akin to the fact that every time she made a new discovery about costumes that it felt like Christmas! I so agree! : D I hope that if this is the real thing, it turns up where we can see pictures of it ...(hopefully yummy close-up ones) -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 17:20:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7MKcL8010545 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7MJrAv021321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7MJnHa091471; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7MJiSu091411 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPL00JQBVCB2ZV1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:19:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:30:05 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <436FD56D.9030205@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: >Look what I found 1934 >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2609=x&T >I=20006&page=2 > > > I used that pattern for my CC22 "Think Pink" entry last year. There is no zipper, it uses hooks & eyes in the side seam. I would make it again if the need came up again. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 18:34:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7NYxRK011733 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7NXu48039786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7NXjLW049848; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.198.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7NXdMn049672 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter76.comcast.net[204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051107233319014006f147e>; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:33:19 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:33:18 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:33:18 +0000 Message-Id: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 19:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA80PpLc012476 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:25:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA80PR6k049406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80PNJD084232; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA80PJpI084189 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 2853 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 16:24:57 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2841, pid: 2844, t: 0.7992s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1162 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 16:24:56 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:25:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns In-Reply-To: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:33 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's > costume. We are needing to find patterns for these > items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us > in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >Roscelin If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 19:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA80rJWl012840 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA80q9Ik051736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80q6oG098276; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80pxK3098166 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FD83CED2 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:51:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436FF6CC.1090602@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:52:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > I found these easily with a Google search of "_______ pattern". Also: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/ Looked like an interesting site for your friend to take a look at. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:05:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA834un2014467 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:05:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA834Rt2063950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA834DI6064540; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7N7Dsf029075 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.123]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051107230707.CMGU12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:07:07 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051107170011.02a46ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:06:54 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are a limited number of copies of NESAT 6 available from Lena Falk at the Archaeology Dept of the Goteborgs Univeritet even though it is listed as out of print at the bookshop: http://www.hum.gu.se/ark/. You can contact her at lena.falk AT archaeology.gu.se Hope that this is of interest. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836BQT014487 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA835vTr064244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA835vIV065447; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80AiBv075811 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.27] (206-124-5-27.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.27]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jA806v921087 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:06:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8b6d8be554c5fa05e237bb12492d0380@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:10:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think Folkwear still has a pattern for hakamas. Sylrog On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:33 PM, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. > We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, > and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it > would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836LW2014491 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8365RV064277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83647J065510; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80l6vw095581 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA80lrjN013482 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:47:53 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA80kq52151250 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:46:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051107164502.03331090@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:46:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We >> are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and >> hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be >> greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. http://www.folkwear.com/asian.html #112 Japanese Field Clothing #113 Japanese Kimono #129 Japanese Hapi & Haori #151 Japanese Hakama & Kataginu CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836PvN014494 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA836BE1064301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA836B9W065570; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from skunk.apca.gc.ca ([205.206.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80vvF2001708 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Anita.Campbell@pc.gc.ca) Received: from rat.apca.gc.ca ([167.33.57.24]) by skunk.apca.gc.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id jA80vo4b001240 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: From asc-notes.apca.gc.ca ([10.3.0.51]) by rat.apca.gc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1131411513218; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:58:33 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: Anita.Campbell@pc.gc.ca Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:57:43 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ASC-NOTES/SVR/PC/CA(Release 6.5|September 26, 2003) at 11/07/2005 08:57:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Thanks, Anita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836d7D014497 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA836FNM064317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA836FQf065605; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA81T3O6017500 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A23E362DA for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:29:03 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:29:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <436FD56D.9030205@woollycat.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] CCs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC is "hell freezing over" would that be the theme of the contest? De -----Original Message----- I used that pattern for my CC22 "Think Pink" entry last year. There is no zipper, it uses hooks & eyes in the side seam. I would make it again if the need came up again. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836faV014504 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA836KaL064348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA836KIw065659; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA81fpUR024286 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D526B36351 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:41:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:41:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <436FF6CC.1090602@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What era? And I am not 100% sure but I think a manchira is an upper torse piece of chainmail. Is that what you are think when you say manchira? Various info and some patterns. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/briefhistory.html http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_8.html http://www.japan-zone.com/culture/kimono.shtml http://www.geocities.com/anne_liese_w/Japanese/japhitatare.htm http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/5.htm http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/29.htm http://www.samurai-archives.com/clothing.html http://sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/graphics/patterns/hitatare.PDF http://www.marubeni.com/gallery/gallery0205.html http://brian.hoffert.faculty.noctrl.edu/TEACHING/Samurai.html http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2133.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:24:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA83OrSP014768 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:24:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA83OSP3065925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83OQ64074105; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83OLoG074031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA84vNC5009042 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:57:23 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:25:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511072225.39301.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 07 November 2005 7:25 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 03:33 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: > > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's > > costume. We are needing to find patterns for these > > items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us > > in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > >Roscelin > > If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. You can find the information on how to make your own patterns (since these items are made of rectangles of various sizes, appropriate dimensions are all the information you need) may be found for at least some of these items in a book called "Make Your Own Japanese Clothes" by John Marshall. It's published by Kodansha International; Amazon sells it here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/087011865X/qid=1131420042/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9908496-1648834?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 Here's the relevant information in case the URL has gotten butchered: # Paperback: 130 pages # Publisher: Kodansha America; 1st ed edition (November, 1988) # Language: English # ISBN: 087011865X -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA83Z6nw014983 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA83Yi19066958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83Yg6u079100; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA83Yb1C079070 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:34:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 16810 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 03:33:31 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:33:31 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:38:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1230.67.188.164.116.1131421099.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:38:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Hello, > > Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century > fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the > fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Anita, If you can wait for a few months....I will be carrying Duran Textiles starting in Februrary. If you haven't seen the website, it is really great (especially the photographs that Laila takes)! Here is a link: http://www.durantextiles.com/ I will be starting with the cotton prints and eventually hope to carry the full line. And next to each style of fabric she says where the original pattern was found. Very cool! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:39:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA83dT5j015045 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:39:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA83d5ua067391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83d4b1081185; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83cxoU081150 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.52] (acty3052.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.52]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351FD5C17A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:38:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43701DC9.2070402@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:38:49 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought I remembered seeing a garment with bugle beads in either "Fashion in Detail" or QEWU, but I couldn't find it in either? Another book perhaps? Mike T. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 23:06:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA846I3M015429 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA845fQr069740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA845ZNV093732; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA845Uh9093663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:05:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA85cWhE010551 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:38:33 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:06:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <1230.67.188.164.116.1131421099.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1230.67.188.164.116.1131421099.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511072306.49370.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 07 November 2005 10:38 pm, Diana Habra wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century > > fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose > > the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Have you heard of Reproduction Fabrics? They claim to sell reproduction patterns dating between 1775 and 1970, some of which are genuine indigo prints in period designs. Most of them appear to be cotton prints, if that's what you're interested in: http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/index.php > -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 23:30:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA84UT03015721 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:30:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA84TmQI071943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA84TfPf004379; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA84Tb9K004269 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [207.206.136.182] (HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 346699821 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:31 -0600 Message-ID: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:09 -0600 From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a "theme of the contest". I'll explain in further detail. Costume Con has 3 competitions: a. a design folio for future fashions (judged and printed before the convention; people construct designs from the folio for a fashion show at the con) b. a Science Fiction and Fantasy masquerade c. a Historical masquerade There are NO requirements about following any specific theme; that stifles artistic expression - if you have an outfit you're aching to do, but it doesn't fit any of the upcoming themes, then what would you do? Part of the joy is not knowing what costumes will show up. Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is "Epic Movies", and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a "meet and greet". For CC25, the social is meant to be "a gathering of rock stars after a concert". People will come as rock stars past or present, or backstage crew, or groupies, or whatever. It's just a fun time. Karen otsisto wrote: >Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC >is "hell freezing over" would that be the theme of the contest? >De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 00:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA85fgKW016551 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:41:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA85f7E2078147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA85f2mn033876; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA85ewEW033829 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EZME5-0001OP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:40:57 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107233710.02f70c60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:40:01 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> References: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: CC's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:30 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:09 -0600 >From: Karen Heim >Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs > >Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows >the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is "Epic >Movies", and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in >keeping with that). > >The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's >Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a "meet and >greet". > >Karen And CC 24's Friday Night Social theme is: "An Evening with the Stars" - think pre or post Oscar party. Sandy >otsisto wrote: > > >Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC > >is "hell freezing over" would that be the theme of the contest? > >De "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. 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' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 02:32:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA87WYuP025422 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 02:32:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA87VgKT086215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA87VbgX075752; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA87VUSx075688 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE1E0362CC for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:31:26 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] CCs Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:31:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have never been to CC and hope to go to the one in St. Louis as it will be close and I have relatives near there if budget is tight and can't hotel it. For now I am hoping to find time to finally make a costume for Archon (if not more). :) Thank you, De -----Original Message----- As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a "theme of the contest". I'll explain in further detail. Costume Con has 3 competitions: a. a design folio for future fashions (judged and printed before the convention; people construct designs from the folio for a fashion show at the con) b. a Science Fiction and Fantasy masquerade c. a Historical masquerade There are NO requirements about following any specific theme; that stifles artistic expression - if you have an outfit you're aching to do, but it doesn't fit any of the upcoming themes, then what would you do? Part of the joy is not knowing what costumes will show up. Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is "Epic Movies", and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a "meet and greet". For CC25, the social is meant to be "a gathering of rock stars after a concert". People will come as rock stars past or present, or backstage crew, or groupies, or whatever. It's just a fun time. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 05:06:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8A6CLB026813 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 05:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8A5Nkr097416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8A5JDV031951; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8A5EQB031914 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5549.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.73]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DD0747FEBE for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:05:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c5e44b$edbf3b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:05:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps the english journal of the Costume Society, have some more informations of the bodice? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 15:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8KbTNp022145 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8Kad88064477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8KaVFJ027010; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8KaOLO026843 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051108203533.IHNH29216.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:35:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> References: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C531A8E-BAA2-4AEF-AA82-2106DD3A758A@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Max Callahan Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:34:55 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 711 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I thought I remembered seeing a garment with bugle beads in either > "Fashion in Detail" or QEWU, but I couldn't find it in either? Another > book perhaps? Mike T. I looked in Fashion in Detail and didn't see it. You may be thinking of a pair of sleeves with beading, and I unfortunately don't own QEWU. I looked in other books of mine but couldn't find anything there either... -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 16:54:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8Ls3Lh023681 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:54:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8LrWu2077798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8LrR9p088770; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [68.230.241.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8LrI2q088607 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051108215252.EQWT16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:52:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> References: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Max Callahan Subject: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:51:50 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Perhaps the english journal of the Costume Society, have some more > informations of the bodice? > > Bjarne Good idea, Bjarne, I hadn't thought about that... okay after looking at their site, I didn't see any information about it. Maybe Saragrace's inquiries will bear fruit. I've emailed them also. (hmm.. my last reply I believe I forgot to change the subject header. : p) -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 17:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8MH8Lt024156 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8MBQCk080435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8MBCTc003134; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA8MB2To002903 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59911 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 22:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 22:10:54 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051108220620.01d6ada8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:10:55 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice In-Reply-To: <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> References: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:51 08/11/2005, you wrote: >>Perhaps the english journal of the Costume Society, have some more >>informations of the bodice? >> >>Bjarne > >Good idea, Bjarne, I hadn't thought about that... okay after looking at >their site, I didn't see any information about it. Maybe Saragrace's >inquiries will bear fruit. I've emailed them also. > (hmm.. my last reply I believe I forgot to change the subject > header. : p) As far as I remember there has been nothing in the journal of the Costume Society about this garment. If it is private property, and was put on hold there would not have been time to publish in the latest copy received July/August this year. If money was being raised to prevent this historic garment from leaving England I feel sure that members of the Costume Society, The Art Fund and The Friends of Fashion of the Museum of London would all have been asked to contribute, and as I am a member of all three I would have had some notification. I have had no such notification. I too will be awaiting further developments. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 21:27:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA92RWnQ028565 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA92QtXO057764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA92QndQ055721; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA92Qj6p055695 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPO009JF1G1Z076@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:26:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:37:13 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: Historic Costume Message-id: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 22:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA93559w029168 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:05:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA934aTQ060953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA934XRe073261; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:04:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA934V9E073207 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 68797 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 03:04:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wSZsNptmHCoIkxjHaTyPMENJDOINUpKtzxuxiWCoheCLZiPEcBDZNoVSKjzqikBu25wQ6vC3s4gXQvrXglwise3ImWmGxOOLh0f4mt7bmw2wN+FjJVCARRrePQBx7STVdiwaDpXX8zUHp9NaRVvjE2I1LK9nxKU5wKErOzR0wLU= ; Message-ID: <20051109030424.68795.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:04:24 EST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Searching for a photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings once again, I have come across a nifty little photo, but it doesn't show the object in question either in total, or large enough. http://www.ntpl.org.uk/zooms/00000000103/103281.bro Is what I can find for The Garter of Maximilian I, King of the Romans, c. 1489. It is held at Anglesey Abbey, catalogued through the National Trust ref #103281. I'd like a photo that shows the entire garter if at all possible, and if it had dimensional references, I would be in heaven. I have a partial photo in "Art of Embroidery: History of Style and Technique" by Lanto Synge, which is where I came to know this item in the first place. Anyone out there have a pic? Thanks so much! Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 05:06:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9A6FEq008588 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:06:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9A5c85094049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:05:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9A5Swc035998; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9A5OWn035974 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D4DD26287A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:05:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:05:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I hope somebody can help me a little. I am draping the toille of the sack backed yellow chenille dress. Then i have a little problem with the sleave fitting. Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at the top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top and wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the shoulder straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. Any ideas greatly apreciated, thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 05:44:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Aic91017421 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:44:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9AiHfr096382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9AiFPd048632; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:44:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9AiAAs048574 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61857 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 10:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 10:44:05 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109103730.01d29c20@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:44:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Searching for a photo In-Reply-To: <20051109030424.68795.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051109030424.68795.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:04 09/11/2005, you wrote: >Greetings once again, > >I have come across a nifty little photo, but it >doesn't show the object in question either in total, >or large enough. > >http://www.ntpl.org.uk/zooms/00000000103/103281.bro > >Is what I can find for The Garter of Maximilian I, >King of the Romans, c. 1489. It is held at Anglesey >Abbey, catalogued through the National Trust ref >#103281. I'd like a photo that shows the entire garter >if at all possible, and if it had dimensional >references, I would be in heaven. I have a partial >photo in "Art of Embroidery: History of Style and >Technique" by Lanto Synge, which is where I came to >know this item in the first place. Anyone out there >have a pic? This looks to be similar in dimensions to a 1930's copy of a Garter I have, (from the British Order of the Garter). This is made in blue velvet, and is about 1" wide, and long enough to buckle round under the knee. This length seems to have been variable, dependant on the size of the leg. The decoration and words are in gold bullion, with small cross like symbols between each word. The motto of course is "Honi+Soit+Qui+Mal+Y+Pense" (as written.) The buckle is gilt metal, probably gold in the original. I saw an early black "Garter" somewhere, possibly Belvoir Castle, but I thought that was also a British Garter. Sorry I don't have a pic though - you could try contacting the National Trust. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 07:47:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9ClLIx002786 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9CfcjF005907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9CfYMi091354; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9AbDQC046410 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 11184 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 10:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 10:37:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109103417.01d73098@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:37:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping In-Reply-To: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:05 09/11/2005, you wrote: >Hello, >I hope somebody can help me a little. >I am draping the toille of the sack backed yellow chenille dress. >Then i have a little problem with the sleave fitting. >Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at >the top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top >and wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the >shoulder straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. >Any ideas greatly apreciated, thanks > >Bjarne Bjarne If you have, or can get, a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett published by Players Press, you will find that she has clear instructions for draping a mantua and for a sack, with clear drawings (by Janette Haslam). The title is misleading, as all the patterns are based on thorough research of original garments wherever possible. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 08:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9DSLvZ003379 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9DRxJL009834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DRuJG012604; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DRpDB012564 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e0.48b6e820 (58677) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.48b6e820.30a35350@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:06:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at the top? Of course it is. The gown is the gown and the stays are the stays. What if the gown were worn with different stays? I mean not all gowns have stays made just for them. Worry about what the gown looks like. That's my advice anyway.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 08:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9DTcBa003408 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9DTLZT009910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DTLPX013206; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DTHS8013139 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:29:12 -0800 Message-ID: <4371FA06.1020701@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:30:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice References: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 13:29:12.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[92BE2420:01C5E531] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So far, nothing back from either the ministry or the costume society! I'll keep everyone posted. Max Callahan wrote: > Good idea, Bjarne, I hadn't thought about that... okay after looking at > their site, I didn't see any information about it. Maybe Saragrace's > inquiries will bear fruit. I've emailed them also. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 08:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9DcQv8003540 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Dc55O010637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Dc5gb017021; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DbwWT016958 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:37:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4371FC0E.5070107@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:39:26 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 13:37:53.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9083150:01C5E532] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is this a "fashion" question (i.e. does it make the silhouette wrong?) Not sure I am following you completely, but you you are talking about the edge of the armscye towards the sleeve (correct?). By over lapping you mean that the cut of the armscye is "so deep" that (when the sleeve is not inserted) the stay strap is visible, or do you mean that the cut of the armscye extends beyond the shoulder? Got a picture you could post? I love engineering problems! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at > the top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top and > wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the > shoulder straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 09:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9EEA3F004154 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9EDVPZ013571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9EDR5D032281; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9EDOsT032201 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96182 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 14:13:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=09k9T0tpuCB3Ghlr8NkI5P5uW9KwLeOb/4Pzmaa1BSbFLUJvLdhrT1WS/SnkG49sEEGvQ5ajmqbS8bRbGFNQbEprDdMsPDrKPrFKYO0VtkEh+5deSD+2c9YyVxhSvCgsdWrfrukVwGqhRS14851UaCPF9d1So1dF5fJ7SFganEk= ; Message-ID: <20051109141315.96180.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:13:15 PST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO FYI all :) Beth, thanks so much for this information! If my calculations are correct, the total for book/shipping is $38 Chris G. Lena Falk wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:26:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available From: "Lena Falk" To: "Chris" Dear Chris, Thank you for your mail. Yes, we still have copies of the book left. The price is SEK 150 plus postage, about SEK100. If you are interested, please just give me your address, and I will send you the book. Best regards Lena > Good Afternoon Ms. Falk, > > Per the e-mail below, have all the copies of NESAT VI been sold and if > not, what would the cost be to purchase plus ship to New Jersey in the > United States? > > Thank you very much for your time, > Chris Gallucci > > Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:06:54 -0600 > To: > From: Beth and Bob Matney > Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available > > There are a limited number of copies of NESAT 6 available from Lena Falk > at > the Archaeology Dept of the Goteborgs Univeritet even though it is listed > as out of print at the bookshop: http://www.hum.gu.se/ark/. > > You can contact her at lena.falk AT archaeology.gu.se > > Hope that this is of interest. > Beth Matney > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. > Dr. Seuss > > Our greatest glory is not in never failing, > but in rising up every time we fail. > Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:11:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FBVjf005190 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:11:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FB1OI031750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:11:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FAwQV064083; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52206.mail.yahoo.com (web52206.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9FAucD063983 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 92807 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 15:10:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b4l7kZhJrBm74qcAvwcX3omRBhEY+/b5iYV8l9UNsDxw/57AMeExcmZQlhccMZFmxILYRWxdCp3hkizUO2mTNVJJTVZzPO8DKz9T6VqHsiYGDxbYvjWEaAVrQHRNmJWY6mFCgYZetStPjDoXZvc5IHEKLYQgazKMsi3bwqoV04U= ; Message-ID: <20051109151050.92805.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:10:50 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh you lucky girl! I couldn't believe the selection of fabric available. Some of the shops reminded me of chinatown shops everything stacked as high as possible. First time I bought fabric by the pound very interesting. I didn't get rid of my stash before I went so I couldn't buy much. I can hardly wait till next year so I can go again and this time I'm going to make sure I have lots of room. The fabric district is between St. Laurent and avenue du parc about 7700 to 9200. Try this link for some cheap ideas?? http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/assg/assg5.html While I was there the university had a book sale but it was total chaos. We were lucky and got a three day pass that covered all our metro plus museums. Because we were going to be there several weeks I also got an Entertainment coupon book so we could try lots of different restaurants cheap. I got several pamphlets from Quebec tourism including maps and places to shop etc. these are free for the asking. When planning I usually contact the tourism or commerce of the town or area. They usually have great coupons for attractions and other info like the metro/museum passes. The museum pass I think got you into 21 or more museums for free but were only for sale for a short time. I couldn't believe how many restaurants just sold hot dogs some as cheap as 3/$100. Take out lunch isn't chinese or pizza it's hot dogs. Edith "Jeanine E. Swick" wrote: I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FRtut005496 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FR9Y7036303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FR6Rh073652; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52202.mail.yahoo.com (web52202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9FR4bb073587 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 48990 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 15:26:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vn9g1oj0BPuGpueRcnUOeckW8JD+CFoq3EbaRDs9Azg5jf1fFq3ZcQRqiXnOqPVv8ZP4q/x7Bq6FOmAGdWn5pntsHIF3iwr+OA508fF0KPib1WYqZVcntmINy22Nffrw+Ct+0Q5Vd1rOnaV4tzTpff9Nwv75EqK5VPzdZn9xsrc= ; Message-ID: <20051109152658.48988.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:26:58 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:26:58 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So you don't have to search forever try this and I seem to have mislaid the one for Quebec tourism. http://www.tourisme-montreal.org/B2C/00/default.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1 Edith "Jeanine E. Swick" wrote: I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:36:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FaqDX005726 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:36:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FaOMt037111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FaNlY079384; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FaJlO079285 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:36:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:36:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:36:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 15:36:12.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[50A4BBF0:01C5E543] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's a great Science museum in the Port too. You can also try the Stewart museum. http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need the address, let me know). I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in general. Some very fashionable stuff too. If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. Entrance is free. Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal activities. If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets around are a real feast. Literally :-) For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - and even down to Papineau. But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my shopping for those things online! Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by now... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some > good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... > > Jeanine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:38:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FcVos005742 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Fc5M5037364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fc2gC080455; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fbp2V080316 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 606D05EE081 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:37:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:38:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace, Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich are bigger than the armscye in the stays. It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping > Is this a "fashion" question (i.e. does it make the silhouette wrong?) Not > sure I am following you completely, but you you are talking about the edge > of the armscye towards the sleeve (correct?). By over lapping you mean > that the cut of the armscye is "so deep" that (when the sleeve is not > inserted) the stay strap is visible, or do you mean that the cut of the > armscye extends beyond the shoulder? Got a picture you could post? I > love engineering problems! > > Sg > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at the >> top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top and >> wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the shoulder >> straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:46:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FkbCl005878 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FkBIj038268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fk9AC086236; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fk4uZ086108 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from JAzo478796@aol.com) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.232.c8f06a (16781); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <232.c8f06a.30a373ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:45:50 EST To: kdesmarteau@apparelmag.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] geac/diesel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Kathy: There is still no answer at Antonio's phone number and I haven't heard back via email from either Brian at Geac or Holly Dewar at Fitzgerald. I believe it may be time to pick up the phone and call one of them: do you prefer I call Brian at Geac or Holly at Fitzgerald. Please advise. Thanks, Julia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FlmQv005899 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Fl5lH038375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FkwrM086752; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52205.mail.yahoo.com (web52205.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9Fkmd5086580 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 7694 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 15:46:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QlqAcuDbqmHUDjDvv5CdHLrZI+XAakd+7UtBUrC/5CVUPvO8BUX3jxlDbCw/0WVb2X1jf7KNEAGDekGNmWEi+eOucFAgeSWa/rbEvsZqRpMQuweDtJaSo06RRsOK6dpoWPUF+RILtaw0l4zwXpAeBMY4Z1jtNm2RLpdwaKlzQas= ; Message-ID: <20051109154634.7692.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:46:34 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes that is where I went St. Hubert Lots of good deals. The metro is fast and easy to use in Montreal as parking will also cost you a small fortune. Edith Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:Hi, If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's a great Science museum in the Port too. You can also try the Stewart museum. http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need the address, let me know). I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in general. Some very fashionable stuff too. If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. Entrance is free. Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal activities. If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets around are a real feast. Literally :-) For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - and even down to Papineau. But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my shopping for those things online! Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by now... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some > good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... > > Jeanine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:08:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9G8GV9006260 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9G7kSv040766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9G7cLh001810; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9G7KfG001623 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:07:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:07:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051109151050.92805.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:03:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 16:07:14.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[A65C6940:01C5E547] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, it's me again, Of course, most of the references I gave are in the Eastern Montreal. Not that we don't mix up with the other side, just that it's far enough that stores just don't have the same clients. > http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/assg/assg5.html That's a great link thanks! Take note that, in this article, they almost always stop at St-Laurent, or St-Denis, but you can also in most instances push more towards the Eastern part too and find interesting things - I'm thinking mostly of Mont-Royal street here, but it's true of others as well, if you don't mind bad English. > I couldn't believe how many restaurants just sold hot dogs some as cheap > as 3/$100. Take out lunch isn't chinese or pizza it's hot dogs. Uh, well. Not true of everyone. IMHO, most of those hot-dogs they sell for 1$ don't qualify as food, although some people seem to think they do :-) But if you want real hot dogs for 1$, you have to go to Montreal Pool Room (1200 St-Laurent). It's THE hot-dog place. Me, I hate cheap hot dogs. There's lots of 1$ pizza places. Don't be afraid to take advantage of them. And lots of cheap Chinese/Thai places. And lots if Indian, Pakistanese, Italian, Greek, Japanese (including take-out sushi), Mexican, Libanese, French (though those are usually more expensive), etc. restaurants. No need to eat cheap hot-dogs :-) Ah, another thing I dislike but you might enjoy - smoked meat. The world-famous place is Schwartz. 3895 St-Laurent. There's ALWAYS people there. Looks really crappy, but they supposedly make the best smoked-meat in the world. Also - no street food vendors in Montreal. Personnally, I think we could do with a few, but there's a silly law against it. But there's always food in shopping malls. Edith mentioned the metro. It's great for going almost anywhere in town - at least downtown. You can buy a weekly pass. If you want to know easily how to get from point A to point B, go to www.stm.info and find the "Tous Azimuts" link. Of course, it won't help you in a hotel room without an Internet connexion, but it will at least allow you to know your main routes before you leave. I use it regularly, and it has never been wrong before. Costume contents? Uh... well... that was in the first message. All of this is to GET to the costume stuff... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GS7Ym006701 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:28:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GRY4Z043490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GRS5f018081; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GROvi017943 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.227]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051109162718.EYJ6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:27:18 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109101542.02c8a9e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:27:16 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available In-Reply-To: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4l079434@net.indra.com> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4l079434@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lena is excellent to deal with and very helpful. The price and shipping for NESAT 6 is quite reasonable. and arrived VERY quickly. There is only one minor problem that you should be aware of.... payment must be in SEK (Swedish Kronors) and by wire transfer/ direct deposit to their bank or cheque.. or by cash. I ordered SEK from my bank and mailed it directly to the Archaeology Department (contact Lena for the correct address) as International Wire Transfer fees were excessive from my bank. Beth At 09:36 AM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:13:15 -0800 (PST) >From: Chris >Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available >To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >Message-ID: <20051109141315.96180.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >FYI all :) Beth, thanks so much for this information! > >If my calculations are correct, the total for book/shipping is $38 > >Chris G. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:39:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GdLLB006946 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GcoSN044774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GckxM026921; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:38:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GchSo026833 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:38 -0800 Message-ID: <4372266B.9010502@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:40:11 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 16:38:38.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[08FDE7A0:01C5E54C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rats, I guess I was hoping for something more difficult! Yes, I think I get it now. I would not worry about this situation. I would worry if the situation were reversed, i.e. the dress armscye were smaller than the stays because you can get some fleshy lumps and bumps sometimes. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Saragrace, > Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich are > bigger than the armscye in the stays. > It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:39:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GddCa006956 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GdNcq044841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GdMtN027407; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GdJXq027366 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D88847FEEC for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:39:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:39:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again, Forgive that i have another question. I want to make the sleave ruffles of the yellow dress with scalloped edges. I dont have pinking tools, and i just want to cut it with ordinary scissors. How could i make the edge of this, so it wont fray? Should i make buttonhole stitches? I want to add small bouquets of chenille flowers here and there! Could i turn the edge, about 1-2 mm. and perhaps cut it each top? I dont want to make tiny ones, but scallopes about 5 cm. wide Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:49:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Gn4UL007124 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GmKFb046099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GmJRo034363; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:48:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GmETc034233 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:48:09 -0800 Message-ID: <437228A7.2080209@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:49:43 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 16:48:09.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D8AB0E0:01C5E54D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What little I know of these styles, they did use raw edges on the scallops right? You don't have a set of pinking shears? You can also apply a very light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try to find a link of all these things is you don't have them "over there." Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Gojcp007176 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Go3PD046279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Go3O5035573; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9GnxFv035442 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20556 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 16:49:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ME9zttzMFg+yPm2N5StieW/mCSM8A4y0HNMskaXtCs2qL5ENnDKs3R2myujW2GlVFaxNMEyT5b/lAXCn6ibyPBo0C0fxkK/6ShgtzUZadZaZEdOnD3nt6wMdIaMJ47KyZlLcVT+hcR4PBlmpcCS/iBQzvv4nvVoCSdxYGzS4mYw= ; Message-ID: <20051109164953.20554.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:49:53 PST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:49:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109101542.02c8a9e0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, VERY good to know. I'll send her another 'e' for her address. Thanks again Beth! Beth and Bob Matney wrote: Lena is excellent to deal with and very helpful. The price and shipping for NESAT 6 is quite reasonable. and arrived VERY quickly. There is only one minor problem that you should be aware of.... payment must be in SEK (Swedish Kronors) and by wire transfer/ direct deposit to their bank or cheque.. or by cash. I ordered SEK from my bank and mailed it directly to the Archaeology Department (contact Lena for the correct address) as International Wire Transfer fees were excessive from my bank. Beth --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:55:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GtSZD007291 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:55:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GswNP046961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GsrjI039340; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GsjPm039105 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.227]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051109165431.BCYI6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:31 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109102958.02c87ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:54:30 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The quote below is the earliest dating that I have heard for knitting and crochet in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or deny using other archaeological sources? There is, of course, the possibility of translation error in the article and that they are referring to naalbinding or some other technique. Beth Matney "That knitting has an old tradition in the Baltic states is evident from archaeological data of Latvia and Estonia (Peets 1987, 105-16; Zarina, Caune 1980, 60-9). In cultural layers of Riga, dated to the 12th-15th centuries, woollen gloves and mittens were found. Some of them were knitted and others were crochetted with a small bone needle." ( from pg 283, "Holiday Clothing of Lithuanian Country Women in the 15th-16th centuries" by Saule Urbanaviciene in NESAT 6) This references: Peets J., 1987: 'Totenhandschuhe im Bestattungsbrauchtum de Esten und anderen Ostseefinnen'. Fenoscandia Archaeologica. IV. Helsinki. 105-16 Caune A., Zarina A., 1980: 'Rigas 13.-15. gs. vilnas cimdi'. Latvijas PSR zinatnu akademijas vestis, Nr.1 (39), 60-9. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9HLQWo007759 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HKoH9050249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:20:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HKlmB059784; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52105.mail.yahoo.com (web52105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.108]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9HKjbY059675 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 84941 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 17:20:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=szBv2xmH7Xq6Rb3xjxy0zNDz3HoPNFsDkSzvgw370Wak1Mfi/2yXnNOEvFud34IpfNKUh9fj2FAg3VbKh2v7TUoUlIPu/vhVoxZ1IkSWhGzZexqF2fVSBqBnN2MDzsbmEQkQiabDoYdv0+isc41HKUicisSGajLJSbG6ZKfAyUg= ; Message-ID: <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:20:39 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:20:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Searching for a photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This one is blue silk, what looks like grosgrain with silver gilt thread embroidery, gold buckle and enamelled Tudor roses in place where your crosses would be. This is the oldest known surviving Garter from that Order. Apparently it was sent by the King of England to Maximilian to confirm his support of his marriage proposal. This item was eventually sent with Maximilian's representative to I think her name was Anne, IIRC, for the first proxy marriage ceremony. I have come across pictures of both you are speaking of on a Russian, of all places, website. The Goldworked one had a lovely picture, the black one wasn't as detailed since they took the pic of the black garter atop black moire taffeta - artistic, but not useful for detail purposes. National Trust has a photo purchase section, I was just hoping not to have to go that far. This was a little side adventure for me. I guess I'll make it the size of the available buckles - again though, buckle purveyors might be very interested in the buckle for repro purposes anyway. I wouldn't be looking forward to packing all of this into anything smaller than one inch, however. Incidentally, for the purposes of trivia, the garter I am looking for has "pense" spelled wrong on it - "pence", however it could be a more period spelling as I have found multiple references with that same misspelling. Additionally, the other photo I have of this item _appears_ to have something else on it, or some really wild looking gothic script, I can't tell. The buckle end has either "POM--", "HOM--" or "BOM--" on it, depending on which way you turn the photo. Someone either couldn't spell, I can't read, or a combination of the two. :-) It's possible too that I am mistaking the "M" for a really tightly packed "NI" based on the script style. This item looks surprisingly long for a garter and seems to have a decorative section at the strap end. Perhaps I can get a museum card description from them... who knows. Thanks Suzi! Kathy > This looks to be similar in dimensions to a 1930's > copy of a Garter I > have, (from the British Order of the Garter). This > is made in blue > velvet, and is about 1" wide, and long enough to > buckle round under > the knee. This length seems to have been variable, > dependant on the > size of the leg. The decoration and words are in > gold bullion, with > small cross like symbols between each word. The > motto of course > is "Honi+Soit+Qui+Mal+Y+Pense" (as written.) The > buckle is gilt > metal, probably gold in the original. I saw an early > black "Garter" > somewhere, possibly Belvoir Castle, but I thought > that was also a > British Garter. Sorry I don't have a pic though - > you could try > contacting the National Trust. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:40:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9HePU5008075 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Hd7IE052923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HcxWL074159; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52208.mail.yahoo.com (web52208.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9HcntP074018 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 75560 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 17:38:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JqSeiytFroKQ+rxo2QTYlPkgDkQvgB1NaFLTMqoeOBywvEc0a2U+/SAf5RbEFhv3xGJVTIvJFvj6Rjp2JohObyqP3eIR2bDP8dO8FHlxMJY13BXv6zxsiVnO9JT8Snpi1Avs5aeoEhBHcGbpL+cqIgDzFCKXMfDtRghxnMjKQmM= ; Message-ID: <20051109173844.75558.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:38:43 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most of my husbands family lives in Eastern Montreal and that is where he used to live. You have such a choice of fabrics at wonderful prices. We have a Fabricland and Walmart for a population 100,000 people. Vancouver has about the same selection except for little india. I buy most of my fabric from Walmart, second-hand stores or off the internet. We all know that we can get cheaper fabric on the internet but shipping to Canada can be $17.+. I ordered Linen 10 yds. from an online stores once and by the time I got it I paid $10. a yd. for what turned out to be junk. I love sellers that say it's linen and they are selling cotton. I don't buy linen now unless I can see it and feel it. Edith Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Hi, it's me again, Of course, most of the references I gave are in the Eastern Montreal. Not that we don't mix up with the other side, just that it's far enough that stores just don't have the same clients. > http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/assg/assg5.html That's a great link thanks! Take note that, in this article, they almost always stop at St-Laurent, or St-Denis, but you can also in most instances push more towards the Eastern part too and find interesting things - I'm thinking mostly of Mont-Royal street here, but it's true of others as well, if you don't mind bad English. > I couldn't believe how many restaurants just sold hot dogs some as cheap > as 3/$100. Take out lunch isn't chinese or pizza it's hot dogs. Uh, well. Not true of everyone. IMHO, most of those hot-dogs they sell for 1$ don't qualify as food, although some people seem to think they do :-) But if you want real hot dogs for 1$, you have to go to Montreal Pool Room (1200 St-Laurent). It's THE hot-dog place. Me, I hate cheap hot dogs. There's lots of 1$ pizza places. Don't be afraid to take advantage of them. And lots of cheap Chinese/Thai places. And lots if Indian, Pakistanese, Italian, Greek, --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Ht82f008366 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:55:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HsXif055065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HsVdR086626; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HsPQd086526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.204] (pool180-142.patriot.net [209.249.180.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA9Hs82h017229 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:54:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:53:14 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As long as there are no strange bumps or ridges, it doesn't matter. I'm reminded of the construction of some originals - rather than setting the sleeve into an armscye, it seems that the sleeve tops are eased into place and then the strap or robings are applied on top of them. So perhaps you'll have the opportunity to ensure the sleeves go smoothly over the straps of the stays, and the actual position of the seams on the gown will not matter. -Carol >Dear Saragrace, >Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich >are bigger than the armscye in the stays. >It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9HxnGP008544 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:59:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HxDQF055999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HxDQg090726; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav12.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Hx7kh090579 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:59:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:59:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109102958.02c87ec0@mail.alltel.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:58:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 17:59:02.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[444C6560:01C5E557] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The quote below is the earliest dating that I have heard for knitting and > crochet in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or deny using other > archaeological sources? There is, of course, the possibility of > translation error in the article and that they are referring to > naalbinding or some other technique. > > Beth Matney Well. I can't do so using archaeological sources, but I can tell you that "crochet with a small bone needle" is a weird way of phrasing things. Is it crochet or naalbinding? I'd guess naalbinding. Is it a bone needle or a bone crochet? Again, I'd guess bone needle, which would again lead to naalbinding. It references sources in another language, which makes it very possible that the translator used what he thought was a generic word - knitted - for what we think of as a specific term. Unless someone can read the original and let us know, I'd put a big warning on the text if you want to use it as proof that knitting existed. > "That knitting has an old tradition in the Baltic states is evident from > archaeological data of Latvia and Estonia (Peets 1987, 105-16; Zarina, > Caune 1980, 60-9). In cultural layers of Riga, dated to the 12th-15th > centuries, woollen gloves and mittens were found. Some of them were > knitted and others were crochetted with a small bone needle." > ( from pg 283, "Holiday Clothing of Lithuanian Country Women in the > 15th-16th centuries" by Saule Urbanaviciene in NESAT 6) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 13:00:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9I0hBc008583 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:00:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HtK0w055286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HtJ6j087396; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HtDS3087205 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79E63CED2 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:55:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437237FF.3070608@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:55:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs References: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> In-Reply-To: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Karen Heim wrote: > As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by > stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a "theme of the contest". > I'll explain in further detail. Karen, Info on the web site is a little thin. Can you tell me what the con weapon policy is (costume weapons of course) or point me to a website where it might be outlined? A couple of the costumes I'm considering involve the use of toy guns as accessories. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 13:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9IN7Gf009052 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:23:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9IMcbZ059342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9IMZFA010483; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9IMPtk010344 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9INFjN013656 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:23:16 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9IM7q2088720 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:22:18 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:10:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109102958.02c87ec0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >were crochetted with a small bone needle." Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:17:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JHcIc010245 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JGfvZ068101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JGbp0055704; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JGWlp055627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JGUtq031085 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:16:30 -0800 Message-ID: <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:16:32 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've seen the term "crochet needle" in English-language 19th-century crochet instructions, as a synonym for "crochet hook." BTW< I also just came across an early 19th-century reference to "knitting wires," for stockings, which I believe just means fine knitting needles. While I'm all in favor of giving things the correct terms, it is important to recognize that languages just naturally use different names for the same thing and the same name for different things. This is especially true when you're dealing with older versus modern English, and with a field like fashion, where makers and promoters of various goods intentionally apply a new name to the same old product or style just to make it seem more fashionable. If I were trying to judge whether a textile was crocheted or knitted or whatever, I'd look at a photo or drawing of it (the original probably not being available to me), before making any judgments. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> were crochetted with a small bone needle." > > > Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your > source must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from > crochet. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JOA8S010371 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JNmrh068936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JNkac061141; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JNZGk060930 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 71B6847FEDA for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:23:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c5e563$1ac7c570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:23:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Caroline. Perhaps its the translation. In Denmark wich is part of Scandinavia and Finland, a croched hook is called a croched needle. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet > >>were crochetted with a small bone needle." > > Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source > must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:31:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JVM2i010502 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:31:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JV1T0070194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JUnnt066761; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JUaLk066578 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9JVOjN001985 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:31:24 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JUQiM103456 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:30:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109112336.026c89f8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:27:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >I've seen the term "crochet needle" in English-language 19th-century >crochet instructions, as a synonym for "crochet hook." >>>were crochetted with a small bone needle." >>Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source >>must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. I didn't like how the source lumped knitting and crochet together under the same name of implement and in the same phrase, hence my reaction. My guess is that either the writer got his dates and techniques very wrong or that the technique in question is actually naalbinding, which superficially resembles both knitting and crochet and is done with a needle. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JXD5A010547 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JWp0K070434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JWhjY068105; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JVq9O067567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JVofk005154 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: <43724EA9.5050106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:31:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question for leather dyers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com OK, so I bought a leather handbag with very attractive (but not super deep) tooling all over it. This was from a discount source that does not accept returns. The picture on the website showed a darkish-reddish-brown bag with a cooked-artichoke-green strap, outer pocket, and piping on the bottom--a very Art Nouveau color combo. What I got was a fuschia bag with chartreuse accents. Yow. I should've known better. But now I want to dye it the colors I thought I was getting. Or at least some kind of acceptable earthtones. The bag has a bright red lining and zipper that I don't want to try replacing, but at least they're not too visible and I'm hoping a reddish brown dye will work OK with the zipper. I've never dyed leather before. (It is leather, not suede.) I'm looking at the dyes on this website: http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/leather/leather.html Does anyone recommend any dye brand in particular? If I want to keep the green accents (aside from the piping, which I'm willing to forego), how do I keep a dye (I'm leaning a bit to sprays but can be swayed) from going where it shouldn't, and get neat demarcations between the reddish brown and the grayish green I hope for? Finally, it looks like I shouldn't have trouble buying some kind of reddish brown dye. But the grayish green looks problematic. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JbAdh010611 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:37:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JaQwF070983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JaNVb071101; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JaGco071001 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E10947FE66 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:36:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003601c5e564$dd80c020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <001d01c5e563$1ac7c570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:36:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sorry i misspelled your name, i ment off cause Carolyn. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JfEb8010671 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JdQYY071452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JdP11073623; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JdKFC073533 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B6077262885 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:39:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:39:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Saragrace, Perhaps this would be a good idea. Ill try to ask in my shops if they have this stuff over here. I am most conserned because i want to apply (embroider on) some chenille flowers on the edge, and i am afraid if they will "run out" But it would be the best solution to do, for authentic look! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles > What little I know of these styles, they did use raw edges on the scallops > right? You don't have a set of pinking shears? You can also apply a very > light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try to find a link > of all these things is you don't have them "over there." > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:44:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JiEj7010731 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:44:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JhhUA072393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JhffD077283; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JhbBW077236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JhZJH009489 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:43:36 -0800 Message-ID: <4372516A.4090909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:43:38 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051109112336.026c89f8@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051109112336.026c89f8@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Maybe, but there is no way to know the writer is "wrong," without seeing the textile or a close-up illustration. Fran Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I didn't like how the source lumped knitting and crochet together > under the same name of implement and in the same phrase, hence my > reaction. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:49:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Jne73010853 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JmwtX073135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JmsnP081292; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JmmNE081222 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:48:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:48:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 19:48:47.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[993DB470:01C5E566] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yes, but crochet needles usually are very, very fine and pointy. That's what they use for tambour work, because they need to pierece through fabric. Not at all like like the ones we use for crocheting. The problem here is that we're dealing with a translation, not with an evolution of English. The book was dated 1980, but the info came from sources in another language which I couldn't identify. Knitting terms haven't evolved that much since 1980, but a LOT can be lost in translation. And, from what I heard, naalbinding looks very similar to knitting. Just looking at a picture of the item might not be enough to differentiate between knitting, crochet and naalbinding. We weren't making any judgements. Just saying that there were some weirdly formulated things in the text that would make it preferable to reserve judgement about the validity of the text. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet > I've seen the term "crochet needle" in English-language 19th-century > crochet instructions, as a synonym for "crochet hook." > > BTW< I also just came across an early 19th-century reference to "knitting > wires," for stockings, which I believe just means fine knitting needles. > > While I'm all in favor of giving things the correct terms, it is important > to recognize that languages just naturally use different names for the > same thing and the same name for different things. This is especially > true when you're dealing with older versus modern English, and with a > field like fashion, where makers and promoters of various goods > intentionally apply a new name to the same old product or style just to > make it seem more fashionable. > If I were trying to judge whether a textile was crocheted or knitted or > whatever, I'd look at a photo or drawing of it (the original probably not > being available to me), before making any judgments. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >>> were crochetted with a small bone needle." >> >> >> Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source >> must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 15:46:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9KkkKF011911 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:46:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Kk72Q082039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Kk1Ip025273; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Kjnqg025064 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:45:44 -0800 Message-ID: <43726057.4080102@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:47:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 20:45:44.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E5A4110:01C5E56E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fraycheck, microbrushes and Pinking shears: Was: scalloped sleave ruffles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Microbrush picture: http://www.internettrains.com/micdisap.html A Netherlands dealer: http://www.americanho.com (Believe it or not!) A picture of Pinking Shears There are many makers of pinking shears...there are some fancy shaped ones, but I think they are mostly used for paper...not sure you could justify them historically anyway. A UK source for Fraycheck Be sure to make a test on a scrap and apply very sparingly. The microbrushes work well for this kind of work. Trying to apply it straight out of the bottle will make a big mess. Cheers! :-D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LHKns012389 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LGrTN086919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LGneK050327; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JSHYx064855 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B7F147FEF9 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:28:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c5e563$c6c94790$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:28:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Carol, Yes you are quite right, this is what i do. Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping > As long as there are no strange bumps or ridges, it doesn't matter. > > I'm reminded of the construction of some originals - rather than > setting the sleeve into an armscye, it seems that the sleeve tops are > eased into place and then the strap or robings are applied on top of > them. So perhaps you'll have the opportunity to ensure the sleeves > go smoothly over the straps of the stays, and the actual position of > the seams on the gown will not matter. > > -Carol > > >>Dear Saragrace, >>Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich >>are bigger than the armscye in the stays. >>It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? >> >>Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LHnHa012398 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LHElf086964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LHEBk050684; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JWD9Z067729 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8e.327dfe64 (4539) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:32:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.327dfe64.30a3a8b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:32:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quite a few originals have just raw edges, and have frayed quite badly (a yellow on springs to mind, but I can't remember where from). But any of the suggestions would work - just depends what you're happiest with. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LHwUD012403 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LHXs6087066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LHRbj050834; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9JqeV2083952 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56544 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 19:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 19:52:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109195052.01d7dba0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:52:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles In-Reply-To: <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 19:39 09/11/2005, you wrote: >Dear Saragrace, >Perhaps this would be a good idea. Ill try to ask in my shops if >they have this stuff over here. >I am most conserned because i want to apply (embroider on) some >chenille flowers on the edge, and i am afraid if they will "run out" >But it would be the best solution to do, for authentic look! > >Bjarne If I don't want to use my pinking tool, I usually cut my scalloped ruffles with pinking scissors, - gives a "period" look. Sometimes I use fraycheck - depends on the fabric. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:18:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LIRcM012413 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:18:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LI4EP087123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:18:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LHvFs051270; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9K03E4089632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9K00Mb007648 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: <43725544.7010004@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:00:04 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's always preferable to reserve judgment about the validity of everything in every text, but without ever having an agenda of proving anyone "wrong." That's what objectivity is. Anyway, a picture might not show everything one needs to know but without it one knows even less. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > We weren't making any judgements. Just saying that there were some > weirdly formulated things in the text that would make it preferable to > reserve judgement about the validity of the text. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:19:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LJL9u012426 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:19:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LIqSp087231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LIhTd052046; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9L5E0o040448 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.205.169 ([204.127.205.169]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005110921050801300leqk0e>; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:05:08 +0000 Received: from [12.148.252.66] by 204.127.205.169; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:05:07 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for leather dyers Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:05:07 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052105.17043.437264830009B2830000429322028887449D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fran wrote: > Finally, it looks like I shouldn't have trouble buying some kind of > reddish brown dye. But the grayish green looks problematic. Any > suggestions? > When my late brother was doing leather work professionally, green was the hardest color to use and control. You know how the 18th century costumers have all those "ick" greens to play with prior to the advent of aniline dye because there was no reliable one-step green dye and the blends all faded or were otherwise fugitive at different rates and stuff? It's a problem that hasn't been fully solved for leather (or, should you be interested, for papers, either) and so there is less control and less reliable outcome and etc. In addition for some reason the green dyes seem to interact with the leather color more, so you can't guarantee that the color on your sample will be the color on your bag ayway. Green is just tricky. So if you want a specific grayish green, you may have to mix your own, or try to find something translucent that will mute or drab the green you've got rather than finding the right green dye. Good luck! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LrVWD012987 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LqTh3091660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LqO35078524; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LqFKE078411 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPP00CGNJEAOGD1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:51:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:02:39 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <437271FF.7040507@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Guess I should have said the U.S. Thanksgiving, I know Canada's is in Oct., but didn't think of that when I posted. We'll be there from Nov. 26 to Dec. 3rd. My husband has a conference there and I'm going along to play tourist. I should be able to navigate the Metro there even though I don't know much French. I managed the trains and subways in Japan a few years ago - not all the stations use dual text (kanji (sp)& roman) on their signs. I saw a reference to the McCord Museum costume collection. The link will be helpful. Thanks, Jeanine Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Hi, > > If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best > bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as > well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and > they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. > > The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology > museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the > first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more > recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by > date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the > museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, > so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a > little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's > a great Science museum in the Port too. > > You can also try the Stewart museum. > http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but > very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, > IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. > > If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north > of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a > couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for > example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. > http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need > the address, let me know). > > I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been > swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's > out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a > few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of > St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in > general. Some very fashionable stuff too. > > If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens > that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very > interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine > food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. > Entrance is free. > > Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal > activities. > > If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not > easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets > around are a real feast. Literally :-) > > For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French > side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about > St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between > Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French > on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the > English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent > street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also > try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - > and even down to Papineau. > > But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, > Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I > don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, > costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my > shopping for those things online! > > Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) > > Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by > now... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" > > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM > Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > > >> I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be >> some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... >> >> Jeanine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 17:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9MCBPZ013277 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:12:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9MBTSE094558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9MBOa2093945; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn4.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9MBKLP093840 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 8D7295C2FC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:11:12 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [207.161.62.102] by mprdmailfe6.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:11:12 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 4cf57aa02c02add209534b2289cdec3b From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051109221112.8D7295C2FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:11:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elvis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I got a request from an Elvis impersonator to make him the '68 leather jacket (young sexy Elvis not fat, dead on the toilet, Elvis). I don't have the time to draft a pattern and haven't been able to find anything appropriate at Fabricland (Butterick and friends seem to think men would be better both naked). Any suggestions? Thanks Wendy _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 17:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Moc4l013877 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:50:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9MnvKq099468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Mnr7P024295; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Mnmgq024188 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:49:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.118]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051109224941.LSJL6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:49:41 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:49:39 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> References: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sorry, the source makes it obvious that they know knit from crochet.. and that they make it clear that they are talking about two different techniques. This is the NESAT (Northern European Society of Archaeological Textiles). This is a peer reviewed scholarly journal... they are extremely well versed in textiles. There is quite possibly a translation problem as English is not the author's native language. The question lies in the terms "crochet" and "needle", after all, knitting "needles" don't have holes in them either! The possibility exists that the term "needle" as used here, may have been used instead of the American English "crochet hook". Yes, naalbinding was sometimes confused with either knit or crochet in museums in the early years of archaeology and I brought up the possibility in my post. Now if the author had specified that the needle had an hole, the question would not have been raised and I would assumed that naalbinding was intended. The textile produced is the final arbiter, but the Baltic States (Latvia, etc) is just a bit far for me to personally examine the textiles (assuming that I could even gain access). The intent of my question was to determine the correct two different techniques mentioned in the article. Sorry that I was too esoteric. The h-cost community is extremely diverse and knowledgeable and I was hoping someone might have seen something that I haven't. I will ILL the two references. "Crochet" is generally considered a 19th century technique, but I have not found anything creditable on it's early evolution... just speculation. It is possible to go from sheep to "crocheted" textile using only a spindle and whorl by plucking a staple ("rooing"), spinning with a drop spindle, removing the whorl and "crocheting" with the spindle. Not that that I know that this was done in early period in any country, but it IS possible. It is also impossible to detect a difference between a spindle with a notch (without whorl) and a "crochet hook". Thanks to everyone who commented on the question. Beth Matney At 03:14 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:10:29 -0800 >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet > > > >were crochetted with a small bone needle." > >Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source >must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 17:59:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9MxKMT014049 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9MwpLn001307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9MwlSv031474; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Mwfs3031326 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.67.51014c92 (48576) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:58:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <67.51014c92.30a3d901@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:58:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elvis To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:12:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, emmajean@myway.com writes: I don't have the time to draft a pattern and haven't been able to find anything appropriate at Fabricland (Butterick and friends seem to think men would be better both naked). Any suggestions? Once again, will any of the Kwik Sew patterns do? None for leather specifically, but perhaps you could modify the denim jacket or one of the other styles. Since Butterick has been bought out by McCall's, they seem to have slim pickings. And, yes, men's patterns in general are scarce, and almost every jacket/coat (men's AND women's) is made out of fleece. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Njg8J014761 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:45:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nihla007555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NieLP067036; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:44:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NiZM1066961 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01154 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:09:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:09:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There is quite possibly a translation problem as English is not the > author's native language. The question lies in the terms "crochet" and > "needle", after all, knitting "needles" don't have holes in them > either! The possibility exists that the term "needle" as used here, > may have been used instead of the American English "crochet hook". It strikes me that if only the textile is extant, than there's no way of knowing what the instrument was that made it, except by extrapolation from the product. So, it doesn't make sense that the author would have been describing a specific needle/hook/etc. It may simply be that in the original source, the language requires specifying "technique done with a needle" as a means of describing the particular technique, without any implication that the instrument was extant. A Danish-speaking costume scholar has pointed out to me that there are far fewer words in Danish than in English -- something like only one-fourth, IIRC -- and in turn, many of the costume terms she is accustomed to using in English have no equivalents in Danish. So, it's possible that in the source language, the way of specifying naalbinding would be something like "a looping method done with a needle" as opposed to another sort of looping method. If the word for "looping method" is the same for several different methods, then a translator (or an English-speaking scholar struggling to read the original paper) might easily end up with a literal, word-for-word translation such as "crochet made with a needle," which is quite confusing in English and perhaps not representative of the actual meaning of the phrase in the source language. I'm not intending to speculate that's what happened here, simply to point out that when dealing with translation of technical terms (particularly from a Scandinavian language to English), it's wise to be very suspicious of terminology. There's probably no way to be certain from the English, and you are on the right track to order the original sources. However, you may also need a textiles expert who is a native speaker of that language to tell you what the source phrase means in reality, not just word-for-word! Bear in mind that the NESAT papers are recent, and the scholars currently active. They are often quite receptive to courteous queries. Of course the scholar who cited the works may not have seen the original textile pieces, and may simply be taking the word of the quoted papers -- and because you've got a secondhand reference, there may be more than one level of translation involved! -- but it's quite possible that the scholars who made the original papers are still available and accessible as well. I would also encourage you to contact Anne Marie Haymes, an American researcher who is a naalbinding specialist and has seen many of these items. (Anne Marie is also active in the SCA under the name of Sigrid something-or-other.) She is a professional translator as well as a textile expert and may be able to help you with the source documents even if she isn't familiar with the specific finds. She is well aware of the frequent miscataloguing of naalbound examples in museums and is always on the lookout for specific examples. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:54:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9NsSEO014856 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Ns9de008687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Nromd073612; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NrGbX073260 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9Ns7jN001744 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:07 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nr5hF138846 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109154146.026bc068@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:44:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Yes, but crochet needles usually are very, very fine and pointy. Please say hooks. > That's what they use for tambour work, because they need to pierece > through fabric. Not at all like like the ones we use for crocheting. Yes, actually, the two tools are pretty much interchangeable. And many early crochet hooks are built like tambour hooks, with a wood handle with the metal bit stuck in the end. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:54:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9NsVQZ014860 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Ns90O008685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Nrotw073610; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NrFgt073252 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9Ns6jN001729 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:06 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nr5hD138846 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:53:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109154005.026bdeb8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <003601c5e564$dd80c020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <001d01c5e563$1ac7c570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA9NrFgt073252 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Sorry i misspelled your name, i ment off cause Carolyn. No problem. I probably didn't even notice it was supposed to be me. I usually go by "Kayta", or "Käthe". CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Nsvoc014868 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9NsW9L008756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NsVst074111; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NrHdU073268 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9Ns8jN001776 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:08 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nr5hH138846 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:53:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109154533.0366f378@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:48:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> References: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Sorry, the source makes it obvious that they know knit from crochet.. and >that they make it clear that they are talking about two different >techniques. This is the NESAT (Northern European Society of Archaeological >Textiles). This is a peer reviewed scholarly journal... they are extremely >well versed in textiles. Glad to know they know. It didn't sound like they knew, to me, from just your snippet. >"Crochet" is generally considered a 19th century technique, but I have not >found anything creditable on it's early evolution... just speculation. And there are no extant examples before then either, so it all has to be speculation. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 19:22:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA0Muvf015206 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:22:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA0MJdQ011780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA0MFRn090944; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA0MChp090915 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x30so100735nfb for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZHktk1XERvULVt3NPsxIJyqzGPrIGM5Hpr+xyOaSfeyiFcof9xYAFSO8HjajKwx2J1mTpAYR1zG8MHft7S60305TLBFs9V5ylf6S2ggErwM694c38H5GLDc7HswrvXCc5BwNKaXQHtME4Dngh7PepL/Ps/xiJxsTGcpV8S+f59I= Received: by 10.48.234.2 with SMTP id g2mr57745nfh; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:11 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAA0MChp090915 Subject: [h-cost] Hello/ questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello there, i found this place from a forum and thought i'd introduce myself with some questions. I am a member of a high fidelity 15th century group. Onto the questions. Aside from this group, i enjoy the 16th cenutyr and its clothing, puffed and slashed especially. I am mainly looking for links to construction ideas for puffed and slashed clothing. Mainly a doublet/jacket of some kind to start with. Any and all help you can provide would be fantastic. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 20:13:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA1D6Hq015940 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA1CgOr016559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA1CfuC018557; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA1CZ6N018518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0093.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.93]:2478 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1Ea0zU-0006pM-CH for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <43729E80.5000301@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:12:32 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi again, > Forgive that i have another question. I want to make the sleave ruffles > of the yellow dress with scalloped edges. I dont have pinking tools, and > i just want to cut it with ordinary scissors. > How could i make the edge of this, so it wont fray? Should i make > buttonhole stitches? I want to add small bouquets of chenille flowers > here and there! Could i turn the edge, about 1-2 mm. and perhaps cut it > each top? I dont want to make tiny ones, but scallopes about 5 cm. wide > > Bjarne > Hi Bjarne, It seems to me that it's nearly impossible to make a narrow hem on a 5cm scallop. When scallops were popular fifty years ago, scallops were hemmed by laying a hem band together with the fabric, cutting the scallops, sewing them together on the scalloped edge with a narrow seam allowance, turn and hem the hem band to the reverse of the fashion fabric. hope this helps, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 21:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA2R69E016984 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:27:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA2QUOX022841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA2QPfb054232; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA2QLF8054164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA3xXUV030948 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:59:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:27:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511092127.49169.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Wednesday 09 November 2005 5:49 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Sorry, the source makes it obvious that they know knit from crochet.. and > that they make it clear that they are talking about two different > techniques. This is the NESAT (Northern European Society of Archaeological > Textiles). This is a peer reviewed scholarly journal... they are extremely > well versed in textiles. [snip] Speaking of the NESAT, the same Polish archaelogical institute that published NESAT 8 is the publisher of Irena Turnau's history of knitting. It costs, I believe, 19 Euros and you can order it from them. Shipping is 6 Euros (because they ship by the Polish equivalent of book rate) and it thus takes about 2 months to get to the US, but the book seems well worth the money. I'm thinking about ordering it eventually. I cannot find the institute's catalog right now, otherwise I'd post the ISBN and other information about it. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:03:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA53caw019717 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:03:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA536XG037526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA52w7A026361; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA52o0P026316 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:02:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC3E73394E for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:02:49 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello/ questions Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:02:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Perhaps this? http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/german.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:07:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA57V9k019737 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:07:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA57CLb037887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA57CUf028168; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA578iG028124 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ea4eR-0004eg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:07:07 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:06:42 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> References: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fran, Also try: www.tandyleather.com They are a U.S. company - the cosplay site is Canadian, so shipping might be an issue (I'm assuming you're in the U.S.). You will need to use a deglazer (page 2 of dyes on the Tandy site) before dyeing - otherwise the dye will only sit on the surface and not penetrate, making it streaky. I've only used the Tandy ProDye, but that was on raw leather I tooled myself - it is specifically for vegetable tanned leather. The Fiebing's is a good brand - but I would apply it with a wool dauber (also available) rather than trying to use one of the sprays. Once the item is completely dry, then re-glaze it with one of the finishes. The dye will dye the zipper, no problem. For the green, perhaps use a very light tan dye - it won't quite be gray-green, but it will mute the chartreuse. Since these are chemicals, be sure to have good ventilation, and cover your work surface (it WILL go where you don't want it if you don't ). HTH, Sandy At 03:53 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:31:53 -0800 >From: Lavolta Press >Subject: [h-cost] Question for leather dyers > >OK, so I bought a leather handbag with very attractive (but not super >deep) tooling all over it. But now I want to dye it the colors I >thought I was >getting. Or at least some kind of acceptable earthtones. I'm >hoping a reddish brown dye will work OK with the zipper. >I've never dyed leather before. (It is leather, not suede.) I'm >looking at the dyes on this website: > >http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/leather/leather.html >Does anyone recommend any dye brand in particular? If I want to >keep the green accents (aside from the piping, which I'm willing to >forego), how do I keep a dye (I'm leaning a bit to sprays but can be >swayed) from going where it shouldn't, and get neat demarcations >between the reddish brown and the grayish green I hope for? > >Finally, it looks like I shouldn't have trouble buying some kind of >reddish brown dye. But the grayish green looks problematic. Any suggestions? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:24:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA5OqlQ019916 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:24:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA5OScJ039583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5ORvA035273; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5OO2D035229 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:24:17 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:24:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.51] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511091739.jA9Hd5cI074278@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:24:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2005 05:24:17.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF41D440:01C5E5B6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looping the Loop (please forward) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com A friend asked me to help pass this around the net. -------------------------------- ‘LOOPING THE LOOPS’, RESEARCH BY THE EARLY KNITTING HISTORY GROUP Saturday, 11th March, 2006. at The Courtauld Institute of Art Somerset House, Strand, London, WC2. Following its former successes the Early Knitting History Group is to hold a one-day seminar of continuing research into knitting and similar non-woven fabrics up to the year 1600. This will be in collaboration with Medats at the Courtauld Institute at Somerset House on the above date. Papers will cover the history, techniques, excavation, conservation, collection, recording and depictions of early handknitting, with samples and demonstrations throughout the day. For further details see www.medats.org.uk or contact Kirstie Buckland, at 01600-712469 or ‘kb@qualitycaps.co.uk’ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA5rVMA020173 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:53:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA5r8qU042325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5r4Av046123; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5r0lZ046093 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA36A12EAB0 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:52:58 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:52:58 +1100 Message-ID: <1131601978.4372e03ace821@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:52:58 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <20051109221112.8D7295C2FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> In-Reply-To: <20051109221112.8D7295C2FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elvis OT-ish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > I got a request from an Elvis impersonator One of my pro-wrestler clients was taken to the hospital with a suspected broken rib a few weeks back. In the next cubical was an Elvis with a broken arm and his wig hanging floppily over the edge of the stretcher. Just thought I'd add that for no reason, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 01:44:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA6ikof020767 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:44:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA6iDYW046462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA6i8xS063778; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAA6i2Gn063654 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66771 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 06:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 06:43:56 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110063844.01d8fe88@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:43:15 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looping the Loop (please forward) In-Reply-To: References: <200511091739.jA9Hd5cI074278@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 05:24 10/11/2005, you wrote: >A friend asked me to help pass this around the net. >-------------------------------- >'LOOPING THE LOOPS', >RESEARCH BY >THE EARLY KNITTING HISTORY GROUP >Saturday, 11th March, 2006. >at >The Courtauld Institute of Art >Somerset House, Strand, London, WC2. > >Following its former successes the Early Knitting History Group is >to hold a one-day seminar of continuing research into knitting and >similar non-woven fabrics up to the year 1600. This will be in >collaboration with Medats at the Courtauld Institute at Somerset >House on the above date. >Papers will cover the history, techniques, excavation, conservation, >collection, recording and depictions of early handknitting, with >samples and demonstrations throughout the day. > >For further details see www.medats.org.uk or contact Kirstie >Buckland, at 01600-712469 or 'kb@qualitycaps.co.uk' Just for information - this is a sub-group of the "Medieval Dress and Textiles Society" which is inexpensive to join. If you are in or near, (or can get to) London they hold whole day meetings regularly on many dress and textile related subjects. The last one I went to was on "Narrow Wares" and the last one, a two day seminar, was about the use of gold and silver thread. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 04:05:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA95dZF017610 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA959cu056666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA953qJ016629; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA94vPH016585 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E18E262870 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:04:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008401c5e5d5$d80d1d20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:05:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] treatment of scalloped edges X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, A lady on another list i am on, told me she used spray glue on the backside of the fabric both for scalloped sleaves and scalloped edge of a polonaise skirt. Then she sprayed the edges with hairspray. I think i will try this, on some samplers first. Many thanks for all your advises.......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 05:54:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAAsv0V008141 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAAsM9s077878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAAsIAu056261; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAAAsElf056199 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 94263 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 10:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 10:54:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105105.01d7ae88@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:54:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Searching for a photo In-Reply-To: <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 17:20 09/11/2005, you wrote: >This one is blue silk, what looks like grosgrain with >silver gilt thread embroidery, gold buckle and >enamelled Tudor roses in place where your crosses >would be. This is the oldest known surviving Garter >from that Order. Apparently it was sent by the King of >England to Maximilian to confirm his support of his >marriage proposal. This item was eventually sent with >Maximilian's representative to I think her name was >Anne, IIRC, for the first proxy marriage ceremony. > >I have come across pictures of both you are speaking >of on a Russian, of all places, website. The >Goldworked one had a lovely picture, the black one >wasn't as detailed since they took the pic of the >black garter atop black moire taffeta - artistic, but >not useful for detail purposes. > >National Trust has a photo purchase section, I was >just hoping not to have to go that far. This was a >little side adventure for me. I guess I'll make it the >size of the available buckles - again though, buckle >purveyors might be very interested in the buckle for >repro purposes anyway. I wouldn't be looking forward >to packing all of this into anything smaller than one >inch, however. > >Incidentally, for the purposes of trivia, the garter I >am looking for has "pense" spelled wrong on it - >"pence", however it could be a more period spelling as >I have found multiple references with that same >misspelling. Additionally, the other photo I have of >this item _appears_ to have something else on it, or >some really wild looking gothic script, I can't tell. >The buckle end has either "POM--", "HOM--" or "BOM--" >on it, depending on which way you turn the photo. >Someone either couldn't spell, I can't read, or a >combination of the two. :-) It's possible too that I >am mistaking the "M" for a really tightly packed "NI" >based on the script style. This item looks >surprisingly long for a garter and seems to have a >decorative section at the strap end. Kathy The "garter" should be longer that is normal. There is a long piece after the end is threaded through the buckle, which threads under the strap, leaving a loop, through which the leading end is then threaded. So there is not only a buckle but a tie as well. If this doesn't make sense, I will make you a diagram, or take a photo if one made up with ribbon. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 08:52:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAADqTKx026141 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAADpquv099492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADplNY025057; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADphYj024994 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bb.6479a81f (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:51:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/9/2005 11:39:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Forgive that i have another question. I want to make the sleave ruffles of the yellow dress with scalloped edges. I dont have pinking tools, and i just want to cut it with ordinary scissors. They do make scalloped pinking shears.... if you can find them! On "Last of the Mohicans" for the girls' "frilly frocks" they just cut the ruffles in a scalloped pattern with regular pinking shears and then covered the pointed pinking with either a fancy braid or a ruffled ribbon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 08:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAADtG4d026183 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAADstSg099800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADstIY027149; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADsp2L027098 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:54:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e5.20381b1b (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:54:41 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:54:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/9/2005 11:53:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: very light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try to find a link of all these things is you don't have them "over there." In lieu of "Fray Check", watered down glue [Sobo glue is a white glue we have here that doesn't dry clean or wash out] will do. But both these substances can leave a dark mark on silk [or even acetate] taffeta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 09:08:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAE8Jbh026381 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAE7vUb001323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE7tDH033421; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE7qHp033388 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1883D5EE075 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:07:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005b01c5e600$3505fae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:08:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] scalloped again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sorry i keep on with this. In Patterns of Fashion there is a Pet en Láir 1745 50 from Snowhill manor wich has a few scallops in the sleave ruffle, and the edge is rolled gently up and stitched. I didnt notice that, and as a matter of fact this was what i wanted to do, but i was only conserned if it was period. I know i said i would make the scallopes about 5 cm, but i realise this is two small. But i could make bigger scallopes and roll up the hem as i liked to do......... So i have asked all you in vain, sorry about that. Its me that dont know much about anything isnt it! I think i must read some more.................. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 09:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAE8ZNx026387 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAE8AIv001344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE89gN033536; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE7uuT033386 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.e0308e7 (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:07:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.e0308e7.30a4ae35@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:07:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greenberg & Hammer carries Fiskar scallop fabric shears [9891] and wavy fabric shears [98920] _Greenberg & Hammer, Inc. shears_ (http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?CatID=47) I'm sure they'll ship to Europe.....won't they? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 09:10:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAEA2VU026414 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:10:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAE9lDu001608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE9lQm034318; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE9gH2034253 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.223.25fbfd5 (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:09:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <223.25fbfd5.30a4ae90@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:09:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The Greenberg & Hammer address again.....I forget you can't just drag things into the list so I don't know if the link will post in the other message I sent. _http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?CatID=47_ (http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?CatID=47) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:19:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGIxl0028466 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:19:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGIDV1017551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGI7cn012620; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:18:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5t9c4046944 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=rANMqcMt2T2AS2HXAyfkzauFOtjE+zoMYecR9DcVoFucCLKFTXytYO2c3DDjy8c3; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.233.65.53] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ea5Ou-0002dS-Bu for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:55:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:53:03 -0800 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c0251c72ed69ed8be0595390b4a780a7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.233.65.53 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Re: early Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Beth wrote: >The quote below is the earliest dating that I have heard for knitting and >especially crochet in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or deny using >other archaeological sources? There is, of course, the possibility of >translation error in the article and that they are referring to naalbinding >(given the reference to a small bone needle) or some other technique. > >"That knitting has an old tradition in the Baltic states is evident from >archaeological data of Latvia and Estonia (Peets 1987, 105-16; Zarina, >Caune 1980, 60-9). In cultural layers of Riga, dated to the 12th-15th >centuries, woollen gloves and mittens were found. Some of them were knitted >and others were crochetted with a small bone needle." >( from pg 283, "Holiday Clothing of Lithuanian Country Women in the >15th-16th centuries" by Saule Urbanaviciene in NESAT 6) Knitting in Europe in the 13th century is well known from other European sources: not common, but certainly in existence. The Historic Knit list had a reference to a 13th-century piece outside Spain, for instance, though I don't recall the specifics (and don't have access to them here). So I would not be terribly surprised by a 12th-century piece, if that's what it is. There are knitted pieces in Egypt that are probably older. The "crochet", on the other hand, I would suspect of being a misinterpretation: I'd be totally unsurprised by naalbinding, but I wouldn't take this citation as evidence for crochet without seeing and analyzing the actual piece(s). My reasoning is this: (1) The earliest other pieces I know of that do indeed turn out to be crochet are early 19th century. (2) In the past, a lot of non-specialists have identified a variety of non-crochet techniques as "crochet" -- it seems to be the default term for "this clearly isn't knitting but I'm not familiar with the technique." Now this article seems to be by a clothing specialist, so I'd expect that in this case this is not the problem. (3) Many people would _like_ crochet to date back to the Middle Ages, for various reasons: because it seems logical, because they want crochet to have ancient and romantic origins, because they do historical recreation and would like to include crochet, and so forth. So there is something of a tendency for people to seize on the slightest indication and crow "See! Crochet is period!" (not that I think Beth is doing this!) (4) As we have seen in the translation of Irena Turnau's book (from Polish), some of the less Western-European languages (the Slavic group definitely, and perhaps the Baltic and Finno-Estonian groups as well) may not "map" the word "crochet" in exactly the same way we do. We've been told, for instance, that Polish has two completely different words that are both translated "crochet" -- although I don't know whether these are just two names for the same thing, or two different techniques that we would lump together but that Polish may separate. All of this leads me to think that, of all needlework terms, "crochet" is the most likely to turn out to be a mistaken translation of a word in another language -- possibly referring to a quite different (and NOT crochet) technique. As others have said, the most likely candidate for this is naalbinding. IIRC we _do_ have considerable evidence for woolen gloves and mittens done in naalbinding from these centuries and even earlier ones. Of course this doesn't prove that this is _not_ crochet, but it explains why I think many of us are suspicious of this citation. >This references: > >Peets J., 1987: 'Totenhandschuhe im Bestattungsbrauchtum de Esten und >anderen Ostseefinnen'. Fenoscandia Archaeologica. IV. Helsinki. 105-16 German: roughly translated as "Burial gloves in funeral customs of Estonia (?) and other Baltic Sea Finnish people." >Caune A., Zarina A., 1980: 'Rigas 13.-15. gs. vilnas cimdi'. Latvijas PSR >zinatnu akademijas vestis, Nr.1 (39), 60-9. Latvian(?): it looks like "13th to 15th century [somethings] from Riga." ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/PJ_qlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ---------------------------------------------------- This is the Authentic SCA eGroup Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Authentic_SCA/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Authentic_SCA-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGK6Xs028488 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGJjrf017770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGJigu013800; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAAB0wSU058771 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:01:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34221 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 11:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 11:00:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:00:52 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] British Order of the Garter with pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 17:20 09/11/2005, you wrote: >This one is blue silk, what looks like grosgrain with >silver gilt thread embroidery, gold buckle and >enamelled Tudor roses in place where your crosses >would be. This is the oldest known surviving Garter >from that Order. Apparently it was sent by the King of >England to Maximilian to confirm his support of his >marriage proposal. This item was eventually sent with >Maximilian's representative to I think her name was >Anne, IIRC, for the first proxy marriage ceremony. > >I have come across pictures of both you are speaking >of on a Russian, of all places, website. The >Goldworked one had a lovely picture, the black one >wasn't as detailed since they took the pic of the >black garter atop black moire taffeta - artistic, but >not useful for detail purposes. > >National Trust has a photo purchase section, I was >just hoping not to have to go that far. This was a >little side adventure for me. I guess I'll make it the >size of the available buckles - again though, buckle >purveyors might be very interested in the buckle for >repro purposes anyway. I wouldn't be looking forward >to packing all of this into anything smaller than one >inch, however. > >Incidentally, for the purposes of trivia, the garter I >am looking for has "pense" spelled wrong on it - >"pence", however it could be a more period spelling as >I have found multiple references with that same >misspelling. Additionally, the other photo I have of >this item _appears_ to have something else on it, or >some really wild looking gothic script, I can't tell. >The buckle end has either "POM--", "HOM--" or "BOM--" >on it, depending on which way you turn the photo. >Someone either couldn't spell, I can't read, or a >combination of the two. :-) It's possible too that I >am mistaking the "M" for a really tightly packed "NI" >based on the script style. This item looks >surprisingly long for a garter and seems to have a >decorative section at the strap end. http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/Garters.html Information and a picture of the modern "Garter", for your interest. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGKaX6028499 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGJMeV017674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGJLZl013446; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52207.mail.yahoo.com (web52207.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAA7HMB0075888 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 58696 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2005 07:17:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5z1bbR6uTFrjny7UOUuMdV1gSVba4sa2iKZ/N6TeHczO38iRTzF7Swpjrgii149OtESB14Uznklsuv9xICV1i46RdKX7kOs1PNbMkrAtqmlwvkIURR+ykCpjZHLyS13Hro2cMNGrsVwejfJoVcqq99dGC6IWfnDdOPWU2exgVyA= ; Message-ID: <20051110071715.58694.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:17:15 EST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:17:15 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <437271FF.7040507@woollycat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I hope you enjoy your trip as much as I did. We went to the McCord Museum to see my husband's grandfathers picture collection when it was on display there. The romanian gypsy outfit looked great in his photos and then I got a book "Cut my Cote". In this book from the Royal Ontario Museum is a picture of almost the same outfit. The book states that the outfit is Roumanian, North Moldavia, Late 19th Century. Surprising that there was a young women wearing the almost exact outfit in the nothern interior of BC in the 1920's.The outfit is so ornate with it's embroidery, woven belt, black wool wrap-around skirt and white linen & cotton shirt. She was photographed outside on a wintery day so the darker color really pop from all that white. Yes, she got her money for not putting a curse on the family and offering goodluck instead.. Edith "Jeanine E. Swick" wrote: Guess I should have said the U.S. Thanksgiving, I know Canada's is in Oct., but didn't think of that when I posted. We'll be there from Nov. 26 to Dec. 3rd. My husband has a conference there and I'm going along to play tourist. I should be able to navigate the Metro there even though I don't know much French. I managed the trains and subways in Japan a few years ago - not all the stations use dual text (kanji (sp)& roman) on their signs. I saw a reference to the McCord Museum costume collection. The link will be helpful. Thanks, Jeanine Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Hi, > > If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best > bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as > well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and > they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. > > The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology > museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the > first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more > recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by > date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the > museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, > so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a > little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's > a great Science museum in the Port too. > > You can also try the Stewart museum. > http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but > very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, > IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. > > If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north > of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a > couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for > example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. > http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need > the address, let me know). > > I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been > swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's > out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a > few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of > St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in > general. Some very fashionable stuff too. > > If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens > that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very > interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine > food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. > Entrance is free. > > Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal > activities. > > If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not > easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets > around are a real feast. Literally :-) > > For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French > side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about > St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between > Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French > on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the > English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent > street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also > try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - > and even down to Papineau. > > But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, > Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I > don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, > costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my > shopping for those things online! > > Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) > > Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by > now... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" > > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM > Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > > >> I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be >> some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... >> >> Jeanine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGKgEV028505 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:20:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGK2XC017837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGK0IF014086; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADQFfm014890 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D5B4147FF25 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:26:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Melanie, I hope not it is two nosy of me to ask, but where did you get that Trebizond cord that you used in your Elizabethan embroidery doublet? If i understand it correctly you used it for the branches or stems of the oak leaves? How thick is this cord? http://www.faucet.net/costume/black.html Nomatter what you say, it is totally gorgeous embroidery, i think its one of the best i have seen yeat for Elizabethan reproduktion. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGNt3t028559 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:23:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGK83T017864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGK8Yw014239; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE0bZk029695 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A7D5B262807 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:00:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005301c5e5ff$32f69850$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:01:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=23% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Thanks for your help. I dont want to make a fringe on the edge of the scallopes, and a lady from the gustavians, told me she had used a spray glue on the backside of the silk and then a hairspray on the edge, and it worked very well. Ill try this out, also because this is things i can get here, and i dont want to waite for a month for an order overseas. Thanks anyway........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles > > In a message dated 11/9/2005 11:53:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > wickedfrau@msn.com writes: > > very light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try > to find a link of all these things is you don't have them "over there." > > > > In lieu of "Fray Check", watered down glue [Sobo glue is a white glue we > have here that doesn't dry clean or wash out] will do. But both these > substances > can leave a dark mark on silk [or even acetate] taffeta. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:29:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGTl5R028647 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:29:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGTIoj019162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGTFjr021149; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGTAhA021029 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.190]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051110162904.TFTB12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:29:04 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051110102406.02a386e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:29:00 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200511101617.jAAGHT20012140@net.indra.com> References: <200511101617.jAAGHT20012140@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: early Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thank you, Robin! I'll try and find her. She probably has already resolved the question. Beth At 10:17 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >I would also encourage you to contact Anne Marie Haymes, an American >researcher who is a naalbinding specialist and has seen many of these >items. (Anne Marie is also active in the SCA under the name of Sigrid >something-or-other.) She is a professional translator as well as a textile >expert and may be able to help you with the source documents even if she >isn't familiar with the specific finds. She is well aware of the frequent >miscataloguing of naalbound examples in museums and is always on the >lookout for specific examples. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 12:17:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAHHVq5029473 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAHGPoI026530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHGNuD057511; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHGHSW057396 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kat@redtrollforge.com) Received: from katscomputer (ip32.4.dsl-acs2.ptldor2.iinet.com [198.145.4.32]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176F37A1B2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:16:11 -0800 (PST) From: kat@redtrollforge.com To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:16:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: early Knitting and crochet Message-ID: <43730FD7.23845.150C580@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.0.0.22.0.20051110102406.02a386e0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200511101617.jAAGHT20012140@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > At 10:17 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: > >I would also encourage you to contact Anne Marie Haymes, an American > >researcher who is a naalbinding specialist and has seen many of these > >items. (Anne Marie is also active in the SCA under the name of Sigrid > >something-or-other.) She is a professional translator as well as a > >textile expert and may be able to help you with the source documents > >even if she isn't familiar with the specific finds. She is well aware > >of the frequent miscataloguing of naalbound examples in museums and > >is always on the lookout for specific examples. > > > >--Robin Anne Marie is aka Sigrid Briansdottir. She's currently living in, I believe, North Carolina. (Atlantia in SCA terms anyway. And we in the Pacific NW miss her terribly.) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 12:41:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAHfSdu029899 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:41:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAHevaP007263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHeqrv076988; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHekTJ076890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-30.sonic.net [209.148.113.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGfGjO009571 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:41:16 -0800 Message-ID: <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 References: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks very much for your help. Not having planned to take up leather dyeing, and therefore not having researched it, I was not aware that I had to deglaze the purse, dye it, then reglaze. If you are dyeing the same item two different colors in different areas, do you use masking tape or something to protect the edges of one color when you are doing another? Like masking off the edges of a wall when you paint the molding another color? Thanks a lot, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Fran, > > Also try: www.tandyleather.com > They are a U.S. company - the cosplay site is Canadian, so shipping > might be an issue (I'm assuming you're in the U.S.). > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 13:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAIV60P030744 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:31:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAIUFjg014007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAIGt8j005347; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAIGhJN005104 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21a.25f04b1 (58435) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <21a.25f04b1.30a4e86a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:16:10 EST Subject: [h-cost] Hello/ questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hey Thomas, Welcome, and have you tried the Costumer's Manifesto? might have links to info sites (although haven't looked personally for C16th lately). www.costumes.org Also, Janet Arnold's book may help (Patterns of Fashion - from Paul Meekins or Caliver in the UK) - although it doesn't give instructions so much as descriptions of the originals. You could also try contacting the Goodmans (Ruth and Mark) (can't remember their trading name, but will check market website when in less of a rush, and post it if noone else has). Ruth does restoration, and both were *extremely* helpful when a client and I were trying to decipher an obscure C16th Irish woodcut earlier this year! Debs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 16:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAALFLnw001003 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAALEmkG044754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAALEVB2041598; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAALEKnp041403 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l24so158358nfc for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GBYcSxqrc0gm9wjY2AGLodvIOSQReJ5M3m1L9r4PlKokjFltHGr4y5sLu5Jgtck8D5eZvRhGevBy40uqghE/yYvhK+dG5SNeLrNy5TvTiYI6xBDOUj4mkJZ/VpXNGESmBJhP5NFk/6PbSRvRTB4J5K81FXJVV0fhUORsulGleJU= Received: by 10.48.236.15 with SMTP id j15mr123927nfh; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:14:11 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello/ questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAALEKnp041403 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thank you everybody fr the welcome and links. I'll poke around those sites or now and come back when i'm stuck (probaby not that soon) :-) -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 17:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAMcLY9002657 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAMblPG056361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAMbZc0006664; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAMbS9Y006586 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB09151DBD for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:37:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110143609.035ee1c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:42:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello/ questions In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 04:22 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Aside from this group, i enjoy the 16th cenutyr and its clothing, >puffed and slashed especially. I am mainly looking for links to >construction ideas for puffed and slashed clothing. Mainly a >doublet/jacket of some kind to start with. Any and all help you can >provide would be fantastic. Hello Thomas, What nationality for cut/slash work are you looking for? What time frame of 16th century? I am very familiar with some of it, as in English and a bit of German military. If you are interested in German, there is a yahoogroups list you might want to check out. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GermanRenCostume/ I've done a couple of German styles, and have dressdiary style entries on my web site German Dopplesoldier's Slash & Puff Doublet http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/dopplesoldier/index.html German Captain's Waffenrock http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/CptnWaffenrock/index.html And I did an English doublet for my husband where I made part of it slashed. It was in black velveteen with red silk showing under the slashes. My entry for his doublet is here, and I do show some of the inner construction (although not all of the details). http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/ElzbthnPeascod/index.html hth, Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother Personal site: http://www.kimiko1.com LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/~sstormwatch/ "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." - Eleanor Roosevelt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 18:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAANVO3m003592 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAANV5nu063131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAANV2n2045075; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAANUvtn044965 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.6d.5178ec82 (4459) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.5178ec82.30a53226@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:30:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather dying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Not big on dying leather myself either, only have one tip - result of a friend's learning experience - if using tape to mask, make sure it's low-tack!! (Friend made huge mess) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 19:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB0KwwF004598 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:20:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB0K2AD069535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0Jx05079947; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0JpCL079847 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:19:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.129.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.129] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EaMdy-0003Ur-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: <4373E2FD.8040306@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:01 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler References: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Melanie, > I hope not it is two nosy of me to ask, but where did you get that > Trebizond cord that you used in your Elizabethan embroidery doublet? I got it from Rising River Thread Express http://www.threadexpress.com/ but I can't now find it on their site. You might email Jean and see if she still carries it. She's tremendously nice. It's not hard to find, though. A short Google search turned up these and more: http://store.apneedlearts.com/trebizond.html http://www.elainemagnin.com/silks.html http://www.nordicneedle.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=I18-00-00 > If i understand it correctly you used it for the branches or stems of > the oak leaves? How thick is this cord? Yes--all the stems are Trebizond. In most places there are two cords right next to each other. The cord itself is fairly thin (1 mm in diameter), but with two side-by-side, it works. I tried thicker twisted threads (couldn't find any thicker silk cording), but it looked too bulky. If it was in colors on a pale background, the stems might look too thin, but since it's black silk on black velvet, it's more the texture that's important. > http://www.faucet.net/costume/black.html > Nomatter what you say, it is totally gorgeous embroidery, i think its > one of the best i have seen yeat for Elizabethan reproduktion. I'm blushing!! Thank you. There are aspects of it that I wish were a little different, but at least I'm getting plenty of practice! When I finish, decades from now, I'll post a pic of the completed outfit. ;) Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 19:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB0TbT5004787 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB0T4du070648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0T3LO085477; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0Sx5t085433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0477.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.223]:3238 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EaMmp-0001gi-0O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4373E5C6.1000108@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:28:54 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 References: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Fran, I'm pretty sure that we used to use contact cement to mask off areas of the leather, then rubbed it off. I might be wrong though, it was 36 years ago. If you try it, try it on an inconspicuous area first before you use it on the whole purse. Kitty Lavolta Press wrote: > Thanks very much for your help. Not having planned to take up leather > dyeing, and therefore not having researched it, I was not aware that I > had to deglaze the purse, dye it, then reglaze. > If you are dyeing the same item two different colors in different areas, > do you use masking tape or something to protect the edges of one color > when you are doing another? Like masking off the edges of a wall when > you paint the molding another color? > > Thanks a lot, > > Fran > Lavolta Press _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 19:48:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB0muvI005098 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB0masj072400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0mYxq095627; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAB0mUQt095540 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11464 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 00:48:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nBx6MONFZX13W1N3pPyfIOfb2jVs4Dnc8RC++gLMT/VIo7wxvhP7//ZF1qFi87V/AHK55rfEQzeeYHy9yrPKT+ayIHyO4zDRDdxKtc/7yNwCP+zQqtX7n+ybaynM8M8IE9/tpfKdM0EV1sPfPia5hyssMRxOXFk9EqwwiIvJtpE= ; Message-ID: <20051111004824.11462.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:48:24 PST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fran, I don't know if this will be suitable for your use, but I think you would have more reliable results if you dulled down the entire purse with one color of dye, say a medium brown, than trying to overdye two separate areas. If the dye you use is a red-brown, than you'll get the duller, greyer green, and the deeper but muted red you were looking for (iirc). Ann in CT > If you are dyeing the same item two different colors > in different areas, > do you use masking tape or something to protect the > edges of one color > when you are doing another? Like masking off the > edges of a wall when > you paint the molding another color? > > Fran __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 22:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB34t4e007774 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB34NeZ084642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB34G2d062038; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB34CYI061954 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.250.c53d9c (16930) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to buy hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good site? I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. So... I went with friends to the DC Eagle, a leather bar [what a bunch of crazy and great guys! So what if they want to parade around in a harness and leather jock strap. Whatever get's you thru the night, y'know] and met a guy there who was gonna buy a leather "kilt" for $200 from the local leather fetish shop. He knew I had made a kilt for my friend Bill and wanted me to check out the leather version at the shop. So the next day we walked over to the shop. What a piece of junk! It was made of coat/vest weight black leather. It had an apron and under-apron like a kilt....and closed with straps and buckles like a kilt. But it had a basque that went to hip level where the pleats started. It only had pleats on the sides, the CB was flat for about 8". And to top it all off, the hem was a couple of inches above the knee. It looked like an S&M cheerleader skirt. I talked him out of wasting his money. [even though it probably woulda gone over big at the bar] But it could work. Why not make it out of light/shirt weight leather and just do it like a real kilt? Make the pleats go all the way across the back....a little more than full return deep. And cut it [why they turned a hem on the other one I'll never know] to knee level. I think instead of binding the top edge, I might put it on a wide [slightly curved] waist band to imitate the belt of a real kilt. I'd use lots of hardware too. It could work.....and look good. One thing I did learn from the cheerleader skirt: Each pleat and its return was a separate strip. The seam holding it to the next strip was at the back of the return, making sure it stayed in the right direction. The front of the pleats were edge stitched too to keep them folded in the right direction. All that top stitching actually helps the look. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 22:18:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB3I5rr008082 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:18:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB3HnTe085974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3HkCo068755; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3Helc068698 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9588E51C43 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191203.0366b528@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:14:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 05:26 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >Dear Melanie, >I hope not it is two nosy of me to ask, but where did you get that >Trebizond cord that you used in your Elizabethan embroidery doublet? >If i understand it correctly you used it for the branches or stems of the >oak leaves? How thick is this cord? >http://www.faucet.net/costume/black.html >Nomatter what you say, it is totally gorgeous embroidery, i think its one >of the best i have seen yeat for Elizabethan reproduktion. > >Bjarne Thank you Bjarne for posting this on the list. Melanie, I, too, love the work you have done on that doublet. You have inspired me to follow suit, as soon as I can find some time and a suitable project to work on. Ah, perhaps the glove gauntlets I keep wanting to do, since small and portable must be a part of the criteria. Please Melanie, keep us informed on your progress. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 22:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB3IJjM008085 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:18:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB3I1sO086006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3I1Kk068897; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3Hv2d068865 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E999051C09 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191659.03658e50@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/Garters.html > >Information and a picture of the modern "Garter", for your interest. I also have this site bookmarked on the modern Garter. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Order-of-the-Garter Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 23:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB4jYFx010012 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB4ixY0093671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB4ivNh009091; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB4ir7Q009071 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EaQmR-0002iA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:44:51 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051110222028.02e18ea8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:24:56 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511101900.jAAJ0ls7040418@net.indra.com> References: <200511101900.jAAJ0ls7040418@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fran, I think you would only have to mask if you're spraying the color on. Otherwise, just use a small brush along the edge, and dye with the lighter color first. If you wanted a really sharp line, you could do it in two stages, re-glazing the lighter color along the edge (again with a small brush) before dyeing the darker color. The glaze would act a little like a resist. If the leather is fairly smooth, the dye doesn't really bleed all that much. Sandy At 01:00 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0800 >From: Lavolta Press >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 > >If you are dyeing the same item two different colors in different areas, >do you use masking tape or something to protect the edges of one color >when you are doing another? Like masking off the edges of a wall when >you paint the molding another color? > >Fran >Lavolta Press "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 01:46:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB6kJxY012857 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB6javK004208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB6jW66058546; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAB6jSkG058477 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66861 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 06:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 06:45:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051111064348.01d735d8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:44:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191659.03658e50@64.87.54.245> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191659.03658e50@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 03:17 11/11/2005, you wrote: >>http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/Garters.html >> >>Information and a picture of the modern "Garter", for your interest. > > >I also have this site bookmarked on the modern Garter. >http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Order-of-the-Garter > >Kimiko That is terrific - it shows the knot I was trying to describe perfectly. Thanks Kimiko. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 02:57:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB7vHUZ027215 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB7uOMd011317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB7uH1n090077; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52210.mail.yahoo.com (web52210.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAB7uF50090039 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 59380 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 07:56:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hbw250jcO87CrewXV8PI1hVkjBVZVFVtS7/6jvXcJXovxsGZacTCiV7ApdSyGQnWhlNoeSwGE56Gac9Pm3O2N7/pD+8zTPUdz230UHApXrlSdI3zfO0sMBUHXoyNli9+06kiw9f46H8sWS6uFiiwLfuj1v3qlMtWHARvrLUD4mk= ; Message-ID: <20051111075610.59378.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:10 EST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Try some of these I seem to have misplaced some of the best sites. http://whttp://www.diycostume.com/leather_intro.php http://www.diycostume.com/leather_intro.php http://leatherunltd.com/leather/oak/oak.html http://www.leatherfactory.com/ http://www.brettunsvillage.com/leather/suede.html http://www.florilegium.org/ Crafts then leather dye or leather Need to put detailed designs on Leather use "Sharpie" felt pens and then use a good leather sealer. I've seen a bag 25 yrs. old done with sharpies and the colors were still great but it must be resealed about every 5 yrs.. Edith AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to buy hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good site? --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 03:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB8M7mZ000499 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:22:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB8LjGf013240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB8Lhiv000579; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB8LcUS000539 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24737.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.55]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E89075EE054 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:21:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5e698$f1c11eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello/ questions Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:21:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Thomas, I also welcome you here. I'm not so much into renaissance, but 18th. century, but recently i got an old book from 1919, german called "Costumkunde fur Sammler" It has a photo of a roman renaissance doublet, with a mixture of the italian and spanish style. Its got a lot of slashing in the sleaves, and a lot of puffed layers two. Very elegant, but this is only a photo of the jacket, no pattern, but perhaps it could be an inspiration for you. If you would like, i would not mind scanning it and send it for you! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hayman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello/ questions > Thank you everybody fr the welcome and links. I'll poke around those > sites or now and come back when i'm stuck (probaby not that soon) :-) > -- > Yours sincerely > > Thomas Hayman > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 09:12:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABEBxhV020102 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABEBKPu057104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEBFfH039753; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEBBVj039720 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.147.53] (dialup-4.249.147.53.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.147.53]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABEB6eh001384 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <4374A66D.1010107@theoldforest.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:10:53 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying References: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how > the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to buy > hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good > site? > > I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. Try the leather pages at while the main focus of the site may be lord of the rings movie costumes, there's a whole lot of info about sewing and leatherwork in general. This page will take you to ones on how to estimage leather for a project, what weight for what sort of project, terms and definations, how to make some things that aren't leather look like it, and a bunch of methods of working with the leather. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 09:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABEZqro020661 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABEZRNk059504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:35:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEZQKm052656; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEZNaV052629 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E15C40654 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.436af616.606df for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DdKwqrGwCIQIAAAAB,cd5fce78b39213767fadb743dcff5f68 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-15 80 X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051111063522.59D4B626@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Karen, What a wonderful story! I've saved it, it delighted me so much. Smiling still, Joannah. Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABFE0EV021544 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABFDXsU063038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABFDPR0073848; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f23.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABFDLfa073747 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:13:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511111435.jABEZQbt052655@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:13:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2005 15:13:15.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[705B00E0:01C5E6D2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather dying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how >the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to >buy >hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good >site? Not a *good* one. You can find bits and pieces here and there though. And I know *I* will be perfectly happy to answer questions. You might also try asking at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medieval-leather/ It's a good list, but a bit moribund lately. Just as a fair warning - there is a tremendous amount of folklore and "traditionally handed down" information in the leather world - if you see people saying authoritatively "you should never do this or that" be aware that it probably won't hurt to do it whatever way they suggest, but the reason they give may not be the whole story. They are often just repeating what they were taught in good faith. However the sites that others have been suggesting are definately worth taking a look. >I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. First you need a pattern :) >leather jock strap. Whatever get's you thru the night, y'know] and met a >guy >there who was gonna buy a leather "kilt" for $200 from the local leather >fetish >shop. That's cheaper than a good wool one - which should tell you something right there. >What a piece of junk! It was made of coat/vest weight black leather. It had >an apron and under-apron like a kilt....and closed with straps and buckles >like a kilt. But it had a basque that went to hip level where the pleats >started. It only had pleats on the sides, the CB was flat for about 8". >And to top >it all off, the hem was a couple of inches above the knee. Well, I will say that if you were going to do a leather kilt, the first thing to keep in mind is that puppie's going to be *heavy*. The more pleats you put in it, the heavier it will be (not to mention hard to sit on). Ok, leather thickness is usually (in the US at least) measured in "ounces". Garment weight leather is about 2-3 ounces, which means that a square foot weighs 2-3 ounces (an "ounce" is *I think* about 1/64" (.4mm) but this will vary slightly by type of leather, tannage, the weather, how well it was split). Now if we assume a full wool kilt is made with 6 yards as a minimum and 2.5 feet from hem to waistline - this is an estimate for illustration, only. That's (6x3x2.5) 45 square feet. 45*2.5 (a median point for 2-3 oz leather) that's 112.5 ounces of leather, or slightly over 7 pounds of leather. And that's not counting the weight of the thread and other attachments. >But it could work. Why not make it out of light/shirt weight leather and >just do it like a real kilt? Make the pleats go all the way across the >back....a >little more than full return deep. And cut it [why they turned a hem on the >other one I'll never know] to knee level. I think instead of binding the >top >edge, I might put it on a wide [slightly curved] waist band to imitate the >belt of a real kilt. I'd use lots of hardware too. It could work.....and >look >good. Give it a try. They probably turned the lower hem to give it a more finished look. Raw leather edges can be *so* tacky :) >One thing I did learn from the cheerleader skirt: Each pleat and its return >was a separate strip. The seam holding it to the next strip was at the back >of > the return, making sure it stayed in the right direction. The front of >the >pleats were edge stitched too to keep them folded in the right direction. >All >that top stitching actually helps the look. I can see that Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 10:22:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABFM2ru021757 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:22:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABFKqAK063778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABFKpuH078547; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:20:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jABFKkuM078411 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 51369 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 15:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 15:20:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051111151728.01d778a8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:20:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <200511111435.jABEZQbt052655@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Braces - rerun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Marc Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 11:24:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABGOo6C023348 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABGNojJ070923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABGNfRP021940; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jABGMpQx021216 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:23:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 80518 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 16:22:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0JItGd/4a0wqpvA+UM15dynOD28rsVfSgeH+5WL3nmRwYLvnyy2tsJVT0gORhsxMRUWzQUr9P3mn76LCsV2NRhvL6iDw2vkEK8yFfeXPsE0BQe3QSem9WXQhxuKM9JQx+fBdASAFDAzwY13FUEC9P6H+C9kX6Ia0BiDOQj/CBTI= ; Message-ID: <20051111162233.80516.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:22:33 EST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:22:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511111435.jABEZQbr052655@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Kimiko and Suzi, Ohhhhhhh.... *that* knot. Okay. I knew that is how it would be worn. It was more a matter of what decorated the terminal end of the garter. Y'know, all that repro information jazz. :-) I have heard back from the House Manager at Anglesey House. He is going to send me a copy of the photo from the Museum of London Gothic art book (gods only know it's a popular book title, but for the life of me I can't remember it's name!) and since it's going out on loan very soon, said he would take a picture of it's baskside for me. I hope that he puts some kind of dimensional reference in there for me. I also have a metalsmith interested in reproducing the buckle and roses for me in brass. If we can pull up enough dimensional detail for it so that the repro is faithful to the original, he may just put it into production in his collection. That would be cool. :-) Kathy > > I also have this site bookmarked on the modern > Garter. > http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Order-of-the-Garter > > Kimiko > > That is terrific - it shows the knot I was trying to > describe > perfectly. Thanks Kimiko. > > Suzi It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 13:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABImR0W026194 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABIlsSJ095380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABIlm80033347; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABIliBd033295 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d4so200020nfe for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YPYQcrrMQs1oRbqMYnjPOAsUzC9V2B9Xt0dKs8WA+zLlO3pXAw8CETgHqU8hGtYQ2CaCG3o6ddjMneOa2gEkJQgThsqDDVUyy3hN1o4rHt9FZEwCakdYk7zGA2i4dIAyN5bgX6wQlkbeJqinlMvcfMyU/HlxQyk7XQ38ipyMtNM= Received: by 10.49.4.16 with SMTP id g16mr150301nfi; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:47:43 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jABIliBd033295 Subject: [h-cost] re: Hello/Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thank you for all the links and welcomes everyone. Its is the German style of puff and slash that i enjoy the most. I'll give your site a try and see how i go with different pieces. I am also joining the German ren costume list. Bjarne, i would love it if you could send me that scan. I welcome all help :-) Thank you. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 14:20:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABJK9H5026943 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:20:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABJJd75001058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJJbr9057329; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f6.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJJU6D057188 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:19:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:19:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511111900.jABJ0bHd042955@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:19:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2005 19:19:26.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4DF2650:01C5E6F4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >From: Suzi Clarke >Marc >Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally >while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to >be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote >exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I >am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume >items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" Yes that was me. Please. Whenever is convenient for you would be fine. I'm thinking the least complex guess is going to be a pair of fabric tapes with button holes, and attach some buttons to the breeches. But I'd like to actually *know*, if such a thing is possible. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 14:42:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABJgH7f027309 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABJfrFp004719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJfjVe073611; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJfcxk073422 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.219.de726f2 (57293) for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <219.de726f2.30a64de9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:41:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/11/2005 10:14:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marccarlson20@hotmail.com writes: that's 112.5 ounces of leather, or slightly over 7 pounds of leather. And that's not counting the weight of the thread and other attachments. Lord....After making a real kilt out of wool, I'd never do a leather one that full. I mean, there's no tartan to match up so you can make the pleats as shallow as the look will allow. That's why I thought just a little more than full return. So if the hips are say 40" and you had like 20 1" pleats in the back with maybe 2" added to each return, that would be 20 X 3 + (20 x 2) = 100" or a little over 2 and 3/4 yards in the back [it does add up, doesn't it]. So the whole thing might be about a 4 yard or less kilt.....like a utility kilt. On "Last of the Mohicans" Daniel Day Lewis's shirt was cut just like any 18th century shirt out of a soft leather the weight of washed cotton. That might be a good weight to use....or a little heavier...just a little. We also made an 1740s coat out of elk hide for a trapper in the film. Boy was it beautiful! and heavy. But the weight made those back pleats swing gracefully. It was something I would have nicked at rap if I could've! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 16:22:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABLMF9E029224 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:22:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABLLEem025013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABLL9KT047021; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABLL4w2046881 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB390148; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:57 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 11 Nov 05 21:20:51 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c5e705$f4181980$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:21:57 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Don't know your period, but there are lots of patterns and ideas for making bracers in the 19th C. They seem to be one of those needle work items to gift the men on your 'list', along with caps and wallets. Seems probable to me that the need for such an assessory was not a "new" thing at that time period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Marc > >Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally > >while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to > >be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote > >exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I > >am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume > >items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" > > Yes that was me. Please. Whenever is convenient for you would be fine. > > I'm thinking the least complex guess is going to be a pair of fabric tapes > with button holes, and attach some buttons to the breeches. But I'd like to > actually *know*, if such a thing is possible. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 00:10:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAC5AOnW006263 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:10:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAC59nXI073509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC59gXu086320; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC59c55086287 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Eandx-0006KH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:09:37 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051111224421.02f86868@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:51:27 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511111435.jABEZQbs052655@net.indra.com> References: <200511111435.jABEZQbs052655@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My favorite source for all kinds of animal-source products: Moscow Hide and Fur http://www.hideandfur.com/ They do have a page where they describe how they grade and describe leather, plus what someone else said - one ounce leather is about .4 mm thick. They mostly carry the heavier cow leathers, but they have all sorts of exotic leathers. For anyone doing buckskinning, or other types of costume where you need natural materials, they also have feathers, horns and antlers, furs, teeth, claws, etc. They are located in Moscow, Idaho, USA, and everything they sell is either farmed or legally hunted in the state it came from. We've gotten bear teeth and claws, buffalo horns, and other things from them. They will also send you a letter of origin if you need one for your state (good to have when traveling with the costume). Sandy At 08:35 AM 11/11/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 EST >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying > >BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how >the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. >Where to buy >hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good >site? > >I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 04:43:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAC9hi2v002234 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:43:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAC9hJLC090490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC9hEBo080762; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC9hAY0080742 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24797.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.151]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C63147FE76 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:43:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:43:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi marc I dont remember if i told you that the gustavian weadding suit i made, had strips attached to the waistcoat shoulders and to the front breeches. This is 1766. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun > >From: Suzi Clarke >>Marc >>Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally >>while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to >>be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote >>exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I >>am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume >>items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" > > Yes that was me. Please. Whenever is convenient for you would be fine. > > I'm thinking the least complex guess is going to be a pair of fabric tapes > with button holes, and attach some buttons to the breeches. But I'd like > to actually *know*, if such a thing is possible. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 05:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACASjbx008101 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 05:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACAS3iM097214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACAS1wN095365; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACARuXH095306 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 29958 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 10:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 10:27:51 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112101129.01d76258@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:27:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun In-Reply-To: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 09:43 12/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi marc >I dont remember if i told you that the gustavian weadding suit i >made, had strips attached to the waistcoat shoulders and to the >front breeches. This is 1766. > >Bjarne Yes, but are they original? There are several garments in the Danish costume books that have braces, but there is no guarantee they are contemporary with the garments. The ones I am thinking of have been used later for theatre performances, having been donated to the theatre after they were finished with. In all likelihood the braces were added by later wardrobe staff. Quote from "The Guide to Historic Costume by Karen Baclawski, published in 1995 by Batsford (ISBN 0 7134 6060 1) "Braces Two straps of ribbon, leather or webbing etc., usually connected, passing over the shoulders and secured at both front and back waist of a garment to keep it in place. Braces were introduced into fashionable circles in the 1780's when the waistline of men's waistcoats rose and unsightly gaps exposing the shirt were not desirable. From the early 19th century braces were used with trousers but remained concealed by waistcoat. In 1814 Jane Austen commented on the appearance of braces in women's fashion, but they were not generally adopted until the late 19th century. " Earliest noted item is female and dated 1810-20. Earliest male braces noted are 1830-5. These are items in museum collections and not necessarily the earliest known items. Suzi (Karen Baclawski holds an MA in the History of Dress from the Courtauld Institute. Aileen Ribiero was technical advisor to the project.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 06:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACBt0qA028764 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:55:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACBsUCr011089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACBsR3h029472; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACBsMFG029437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-106-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.106]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jACBsK31012042 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:54:21 +1100 Message-ID: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:55:10 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi everyone, I found a heringbone weave silk which I was planning to use for a Tudor Kirtle, but then I had a really vague recollection that somebody on one of my lists said the herringbone weave fell out of favour during the high middle ages and didn't turn up again for several centuries. Ordinarily I'd probably buy it anyway on the basis that it's plausible they did occasionally use it (as it's not a hugely complex variation on a twill) and rely on the lack of evidence is not evidence of lack theory. However this fabric was specifically intended for a competition entry, as the theme of an upcoming competition for the Tailor's Guild of Lochac (in the SCA) is 'pink' and this was the best pink fabric I could find. However if it's an inappropriate weave for my period I will probably opt for a black satin I saw for a similar price and not enter it into the competition. So can anybody answer my basic question, is there any evidence for the use of a herringbone weave in the 16th century, with a simple yes (there are extant pieces of herringbone weave fabric from the 16th century) or no (there is no evidence for herringbone weave for X many years either side of the 16th century) thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 08:05:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACD5N5j013241 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACD4sQ3027288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACD4mr8052543; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACD4icV052483 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DC2BF646 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:04:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:04:42 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html I know what I would like to make for myself. I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg Would this be right for regency? I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. Are those of any use? Or is there a better male pattern? Ireally don't know anything from this period. I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to pleat it to the bodice. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 08:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACDZJjo013768 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACDYueP029550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACDYtpT062316; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACDYoX4062252 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 85572 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 13:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 13:34:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112132708.01d76230@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:34:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 13:04 12/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. >http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html Lucky you - Christina is a lovely lady. >I know what I would like to make for myself. >I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > >For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. >I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg >Would this be right for regency? It would be correct for day wear, but might be a bit bright, and could be a bit smoother I think. I usually use "Venetian" a pure wool fabric readily available in England. The original coats I've examined are very smooth wool, Melton being one of the cloths used. Also available - v. expensive - here.) >I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. >Are those of any use? >Or is there a better male pattern? >Ireally don't know anything from this period. Patterns for men can be found in "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) and Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume Cut and Fashion, (R.I Davis) both English. Then there are the wonderful American patterns in "Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Closeup". These two also have women's patterns. You should also look at "Cut of Women's Clothes", "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909", Jean Hunnisett (patterns from original garments in spite of the title) and "Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860" Janet Arnold. All of the above have to be scaled up, but are accurate patterns of the fashions worn at the time. I am not sure about commercial patterns as I never use them for period stuff. >I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern >and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg >I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to >pleat it to the bodice. Hope that helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 11:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACG3JIS016526 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:03:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACG2v4x044158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACG2qPw023072; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:02:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACG2miA023023 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f557a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.122]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F4C05EE042 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:02:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c5e7a2$86edb250$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112101129.01d76258@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Suzi, This is original weadding suit, not ever altered. It was embroidered in Paris and sewed together in Stockholm for the weadding between the future Gustav III and princesse Sophia Magdalena in 1766. Its a french costume maker from royal swedish opera that drafted the pattern after the original. He didnt alter a thing to it! It was in the middle of my cut out of the pattern, i realised this about the breeches attaches, and i was very surprised two! And remember its only on the fronts, there are no "braces" in the back! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun > At 09:43 12/11/2005, you wrote: >>Hi marc >>I dont remember if i told you that the gustavian weadding suit i made, >>had strips attached to the waistcoat shoulders and to the front breeches. >>This is 1766. >> >>Bjarne > > > Yes, but are they original? There are several garments in the Danish > costume books that have braces, but there is no guarantee they are > contemporary with the garments. The ones I am thinking of have been used > later for theatre performances, having been donated to the theatre after > they were finished with. In all likelihood the braces were added by later > wardrobe staff. > > Quote from "The Guide to Historic Costume by Karen Baclawski, published in > 1995 by Batsford (ISBN 0 7134 6060 1) > > "Braces > > Two straps of ribbon, leather or webbing etc., usually connected, passing > over the shoulders and secured at both front and back waist of a garment > to keep it in place. Braces were introduced into fashionable circles in > the 1780's when the waistline of men's waistcoats rose and unsightly gaps > exposing the shirt were not desirable. From the early 19th century braces > were used with trousers but remained concealed by waistcoat. 20th century content> > > In 1814 Jane Austen commented on the appearance of braces in women's > fashion, but they were not generally adopted until the late 19th century. > " > > Earliest noted item is female and dated 1810-20. Earliest male braces > noted are 1830-5. These are items in museum collections and not > necessarily the earliest known items. > > Suzi > > (Karen Baclawski holds an MA in the History of Dress from the Courtauld > Institute. Aileen Ribiero was technical advisor to the project.) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 12:15:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACHFd7o017943 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:15:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACHEv48052023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACHEgkj055154; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACHEbVn055102 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30722 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 17:13:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:13:30 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1116.67.188.164.116.1131815894.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Hi, > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html I am SOO jealous!! We don't have wonderful places like this where I live (California). It is beautiful! > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > Are those of any use? > Or is there a better male pattern? > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to > pleat it to the bodice. Actually, if you look closer at the embroidered white dresses, they use a very light cotton fabric and leave it smooth across the front. Then start your pleating around where the arms hang and the majority of the pleats are in the back. It is much more flattering than pleating or gathering all around the top of the skirt. The Museum of Bath has an exhibit of "Jane Austen" dresses right now that you can see online. If you look closely at the seam lines and adjust any of the patterns you already have, you will be fine. Here is a link to the Bath exhibit: http://snipurl.com/jtdw If you can't get the snipURL to work, just go to www.museumofcostume.co.uk and click on "Special Displays and Exhibitions". Have fun!! You do such nice work I am sure you will look fabulous! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 15:58:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACKwoSX022755 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACKwMS5084885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACKwFNO057841; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACKwBs0057680 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.ba.7d41a99a (3850) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:58:04 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:58:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/12/2005 8:35:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: It would be correct for day wear, but might be a bit bright, and could be a bit smoother I think. I usually use "Venetian" a pure wool fabric readily available in England. The original coats I've examined are very smooth wool, Melton being one of the cloths used. Also available - v. expensive - here.) >I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. >Are those of any use? >Or is there a better male pattern? >Ireally don't know anything from this period. Patterns for men can be found in "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) and Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume Cut and Fashion, (R.I Davis) both English. Then there are the wonderful American patterns in "Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Closeup". These two also have women's patterns. You should also look at "Cut of Women's Clothes", "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909", Jean Hunnisett (patterns from original garments in spite of the title) and "Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860" Janet Arnold. I agree that the blue fabric looks very bright--a dark or midnight blue would be better. Unfortunately, there aren't any really good men's coat patterns on the market, so your best bet, if you can do it, is the scale pattern in Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion"--last time I checked, this book was still available from DramaBooks. For all that it has some good patterns, "Cut of Men's Clothes" does NOT have an early 19th century men's coat--just an overcoat. If the Butterick patterns you are referring to are the "Regency" ones they came out with several years ago, they aren't very good. And it would have been so easy to make them better! The bodices are all right, but the skirts are raised-waist A-line style--looks like they pulled them from the "bridesmaid pattern drawer." Waugh's "Cut of Women's Clothes" does have a good ballgown pattern--the skirt is basically a rectangle back and front, and gored sides. And, yes, it should be smooth across the front, with the fullness concentrated towards the back. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 16:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACLbSFO023410 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACLb8CI088397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACLb0q1072902; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACLaqLS072822 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78418 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 21:36:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112213235.01d79080@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:36:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > >It would be correct for day wear, but might be a bit bright, and >could be a bit smoother I think. I usually use "Venetian" a pure wool >fabric readily available in England. The original coats I've examined >are very smooth wool, Melton being one of the cloths used. Also >available - v. expensive - here.) > > > >I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > >Are those of any use? > >Or is there a better male pattern? > >Ireally don't know anything from this period. > >Patterns for men can be found in "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) >and Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume Cut and Fashion, (R.I Davis) >both English. Then there are the wonderful American patterns in >"Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Closeup". These two also have >women's patterns. You should also look at "Cut of Women's Clothes", >"Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909", Jean Hunnisett >(patterns from original garments in spite of the title) and "Patterns >of Fashion 1660-1860" Janet Arnold. > > > > >I agree that the blue fabric looks very bright--a dark or midnight blue >would be better. Unfortunately, there aren't any really good men's >coat patterns >on the market, so your best bet, if you can do it, is the scale pattern in >Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion"--last time I checked, >this book was >still available from DramaBooks. For all that it has some good patterns, >"Cut of Men's Clothes" does NOT have an early 19th century >men's coat--just an >overcoat. Sorry to disagree but there is a late 18th century pattern that is perfectly suitable for the dates given for the ball - 1790-1810. Men's fashions had begun to fossilize, and evening dress in particular became uniform. I have studied several coats at the Museum of London, and one of them, dated c. 1820 was almost identical in style to the one in "Cut of Men's Clothes". The same style can be seen in many of the fashion plates of the period - I have some on my web site. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 17:14:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACMEu0p024132 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACMESMH091963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMEObq088172; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMELaH088157 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71E7D3654F for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:14:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:14:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Though Regency is not my period. Here are some things I ran across when I was trying to get a feel of the period for some material I have that screamed at me "Regency!" after I had washed it. :) Day dress http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm 1830s formal(?) http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_292.htm 1800-1810 formal(?) with Spencer jacket http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_333.htm 1800 casual dress http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm 1780-1790 men's http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_205.htm 1820 corset http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_256.htm 1830 evening slippers/shoes http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_494.htm Gallery with some regency http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm The first dress is formal and is gathered in front. As for the Butterick patterns, they're only good for in a pinch need. Site for some Regency patterns http://www.regencygarderobe.com/New%20Patterns.htm Hope this helps. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 17:22:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACMMlET024320 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACMMWPY093194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMMTaQ091706; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMMQ7f091683 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F265B36491 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:22:25 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:22:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com -----Original Message----- Just in case, each site has more pictures with details if you scroll down the page. 1830s formal(?) http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_292.htm 1800-1810 formal(?) with Spencer jacket http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_333.htm 1800 casual dress http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm 1820 corset http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_256.htm 1830 evening slippers/shoes http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_494.htm Gallery with some regency http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm The first dress is formal and is gathered in front. Hope this helps. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 17:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACMNoeP024350 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:23:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACMNPog093323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMNPca092147; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMNLbT092092 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f5.16c666b6 (18555) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f5.16c666b6.30a7c54d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:23:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/12/2005 4:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Sorry to disagree but there is a late 18th century pattern that is perfectly suitable for the dates given for the ball - 1790-1810. Men's fashions had begun to fossilize, and evening dress in particular became uniform. Do you mean Diagram XXIX? I guess it would do. I, however, interpret mostly the 1810s, and I would prefer a double-breasted front, and would not at all do that shaped pleat overlay with buttons, or the large pocket flaps with the buttons underneath, or that shape of collar. I prefer the large M-notch collar in "Evolution in Fashion." Another good source for men's wear, albeit it also requires some skill in interpretation--R.L. Shep's "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819." And we do play fast and loose with "Regency," don't we? Technically, the English Regency was 1811-1820. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 20:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD1ocEm027663 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:50:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAD1nwPI018002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:49:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD1nqDM075819; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:49:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACJp0P9026143 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ab.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.171]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EC9B47FEA8 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c5e7c2$6ee832f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:51:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Deredere, In Koehler´s book, there is a nice cut of a gentlemans garment for this event. Its from 1804. This is not one of the coats that is cut straight over at the front, but has the curves from previous fashion. This is the glory of high tailoring and very elegant. This pattern you have to scale up, but i know you are used to this. There is no pattern of the gillet (waistcoat) but this is the easy part, so you could find it somewhere else. I wished i had the money to go to this, and the clothes, but my clothes are much two oldfashioned for this. I wish yoy good luck! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency question > Hi, > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > > I know what I would like to make for myself. > I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > > For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. > I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg > Would this be right for regency? > > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > Are those of any use? > Or is there a better male pattern? > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to pleat > it to the bodice. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 20:51:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD1p6Pc027674 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAD1onGJ018238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD1om85076245; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACNNqIp015449 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-1-240.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.1.240]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2005 07:23:46 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <43767B23.1000704@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:30:43 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am in the middle of making some Regency tailcoats - I have been scaling up patterns from RL Shep "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819". If you want to chat while you're putting it together I'm only an email away. Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > > I know what I would like to make for myself. > I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > > For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. > I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg > Would this be right for regency? > > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > Are those of any use? > Or is there a better male pattern? > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to > pleat it to the bodice. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 21:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD2TRfu028289 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAD2T6Mw022986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD2T46F091909; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAD2T13U091890 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12547 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 02:27:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:27:53 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:32:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > > Day dress > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm Wow! I got lost on this site for about an hour. And 100 pages of printer paper later.....I have up-close pictures and information about real antique clothing! Even though the garments are for sale, this website has better detail pictures than any costume museum website I have seen. If you like to look at details and figure out "how they did that" from the 1750's onward....spend some time and look through this site :~> My favorite detail picture is from the 1800-1810 apron front dress: http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm It is an "apron front" dress where the front of the bodice "flips up" in to place. Scroll down to the second-to-last picture. They have splayed the dress out so that you can see exactly how it was constructed and how it all goes together. Awesome!!! Sorry to get all weirdly excited....but I love finding out how things are truly done on period clothing ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 07:49:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADCneCH017815 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADCmolS090686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCmj0V012351; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCmfwL012316 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6220188; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:48:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Nov 05 12:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e850$b71595c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1f5.16c666b6.30a7c54d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:49:40 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Think that the one I have and have used is from Rockinghorse Farm(?), It is double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes before I cut it out. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question > > In a message dated 11/12/2005 4:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > Sorry to disagree but there is a late 18th century pattern that is > perfectly suitable for the dates given for the ball - 1790-1810. > Men's fashions had begun to fossilize, and evening dress in > particular became uniform. > > > Do you mean Diagram XXIX? I guess it would do. I, however, interpret > mostly the 1810s, and I would prefer a double-breasted front, and would not at all > do that shaped pleat overlay with buttons, or the large pocket flaps with > the buttons underneath, or that shape of collar. I prefer the large M-notch > collar in "Evolution in Fashion." > > Another good source for men's wear, albeit it also requires some skill in > interpretation--R.L. Shep's "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819." > > And we do play fast and loose with "Regency," don't we? Technically, the > English Regency was 1811-1820. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 07:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADCrJXu017873 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADCqmKX091038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCqnDi013725; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCqj9V013661 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A7160200; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:52:38 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Nov 05 12:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c5e851$4881fa80$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <001a01c5e7c2$6ee832f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:53:43 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com re the waistcoat, the present one from McCall's is quite comparable. I have two waistcoats that are of the First Q 19th C and this pattern follows the correct line. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question > Hi Deredere, > In Koehler´s book, there is a nice cut of a gentlemans garment for this > event. Its from 1804. This is not one of the coats that is cut straight over > at the front, but has the curves from previous fashion. This is the glory of > high tailoring and very elegant. This pattern you have to scale up, but i > know you are used to this. There is no pattern of the gillet (waistcoat) but > this is the easy part, so you could find it somewhere else. > I wished i had the money to go to this, and the clothes, but my clothes are > much two oldfashioned for this. > I wish yoy good luck! > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deredere Galbraith" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Regency question > > > > Hi, > > > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > > > > I know what I would like to make for myself. > > I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > > > > For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. > > I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg > > Would this be right for regency? > > > > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > > Are those of any use? > > Or is there a better male pattern? > > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to pleat > > it to the bodice. > > > > Greetings, > > Deredere > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 08:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADDUd7R018480 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADDU6xj094172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADDU4Pi025735; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADDU1Fj025666 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f2.16d54f1c (58435) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f2.16d54f1c.30a899ce@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:29:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:50:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: It is double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes before I cut it out. How are the directions? That seems to be the biggest shortcoming of some of the period patterns. They assume you know how to put a coat together and skim over, or omit completely, details such as constructing the lapel and those pleats. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 09:46:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADEkqJV019886 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:46:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADEkRT3001317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADEkP6g052300; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:46:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADEkKqw052262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jADEk8xD004613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:46:19 -0500 Message-ID: <43775169.7080300@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:44:57 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Diana Habra wrote: >>Day dress >>http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm > > > Wow! I got lost on this site for about an hour. And 100 pages of printer Yes, isn't that a wonderful site! I also found this one quite helpful: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/realvict/ Seeing the construction details are marvelous. One thing I did find challenging about these "extant gown" sites, though: very often they display the clothes on modern mannequins or dress forms. It gives one an improper impression of how the gown should hang, usually because the bust is lower and shaped differently than a corseted figure. Just something to take into account when making the gown... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 12:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADHH8xj026911 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADHFiVs015306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADHFdDF013936; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jADHFaeg013923 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8839 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 17:14:28 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:14:28 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:19:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1133.67.188.164.116.1131902351.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43775169.7080300@uvm.edu> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <43775169.7080300@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:19:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > > > Diana Habra wrote: >>>Day dress >>>http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm >> > >> Wow! I got lost on this site for about an hour. And 100 pages of >> printer > > Yes, isn't that a wonderful site! I also found this one quite helpful: > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/realvict/ The main thing that I liked about the site was that it had *many* detailed pictures of the same garment. Often an extant garment will be pictured but usually only the whole front (and maybe the back) will be shown. And I haven't seen any of the museum sites offer a look at a gown or outfit unfastened so that we can see how it really works. That was what I liked the most :~> > Seeing the construction details are marvelous. One thing I did find > challenging about these "extant gown" sites, though: very often they > display the clothes on modern mannequins or dress forms. It gives one an > improper impression of how the gown should hang, usually because the > bust is lower and shaped differently than a corseted figure. Just > something to take into account when making the gown... I totally agree with you on this however I am fairly familiar with how these styles should look already so it wasn't too much of a problem for me. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 13:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADIALL9030282 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:10:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADI9rTA019902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADI9p2P037548; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADI9lD6037482 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 817907020 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:09:45 -0600 Message-ID: <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:09:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > Not clothing related, but please humor me. :-) On the web page above, there are two photos of the interior of the ball location. Can someone tell me the original purpose of the inset alcoves shown in both photos? Are these closed up fireplace or stove alcoves? Statuary settings? I'm curious because the items placed in these areas don't seem to fit, exactly, but I don't know enough about the period to know why. Thanks Denise B in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 15:28:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADKSV1m009515 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADKRmZj032709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADKRheh098665; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADKRd5i098600 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1B30230; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:27:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Nov 05 20:27:29 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c5e890$d53ce680$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1f2.16d54f1c.30a899ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:28:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I will search out this pattern tomorrow and see if I can put together the directions for you. This pattern company (for me at least) also assumes that the sewer will already know the finer points of construction). If you have ever done any tailoring, like for a suit or coat, you will have no problem in being able to follow the progression. One thing I have learned in my 30yr. plus costume generation is that once you have the right shapes and the right cuts re alignment of grain and bias, you have already done 2/3s of the work. Adding the proper interfacings that are often omitted from contemporary costume making (in the popular vein) will help you to turn even a minimalist pattern into a credible period garment. All the recent volumes like "The Cut of..." give lots of wonderful details re style and construction that can make a success of your own attempts of "getting it right". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question > > In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:50:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > It is > double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. > This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary > patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes > before I cut it out. > > > > How are the directions? That seems to be the biggest shortcoming of some of > the period patterns. They assume you know how to put a coat together and > skim over, or omit completely, details such as constructing the lapel and those > pleats. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 16:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADLsu9Y011146 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADLsLfa041486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADLsHAM038118; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADLsDkn038009 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.92.32c3548b (3858) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <92.32c3548b.30a90ff7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:53:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/13/2005 1:10:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: Are these closed up fireplace or stove alcoves? Statuary settings? Look like statuary niches to me--for neo-classical casts, perhaps? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 17:16:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADMGPvg011561 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADMG7Ge043952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMG4i7047972; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMFwCJ047872 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:16:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:15:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2005 22:15:48.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCD48110:01C5E89F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think the dark things in the alcoves are stoves. On the second picture, it looks like there are tiles inside and around the alcove - look at the way the reflexion of the light is broken on the tiles in the second pic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question >> My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. >> http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html >> > > Not clothing related, but please humor me. :-) > > On the web page above, there are two photos of the interior of the ball > location. Can someone tell me the original purpose of the inset alcoves > shown in both photos? Are these closed up fireplace or stove alcoves? > Statuary settings? I'm curious because the items placed in these areas > don't seem to fit, exactly, but I don't know enough about the period to > know why. > > Thanks > Denise B in Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 17:58:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADMw9Ni012141 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADMvkmU049344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMvf0x066509; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMvcv9066439 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.19d.4125e5a3 (3858) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.4125e5a3.30a91ed6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:57:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/13/2005 3:29:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: I will search out this pattern tomorrow and see if I can put together the directions for you. This pattern company (for me at least) also assumes that the sewer will already know the finer points of construction). If you have ever done any tailoring, like for a suit or coat, you will have no problem in being able to follow the progression. One thing I have learned in my 30yr. plus costume generation is that once you have the right shapes and the right cuts re alignment of grain and bias, you have already done 2/3s of the work. Adding the proper interfacings that are often omitted from contemporary costume making (in the popular vein) will help you to turn even a minimalist pattern into a credible period garment. I was asking for our original poster. I've had enough experience with what I call modern classic tailoring, both men's and women's, that I can finally proceed fairly well. The hardest part for early 19th century coats, in my opinion, is how the front edge/tails/pocket sacks are handled. When I made my first coat, I had never seen a real one, and had to muddle through that part. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 19:41:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE0frui013712 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE0fDpT062426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0f2D9011219; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0evk4011186 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAE0etVT021349 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:40:56 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:29:52 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511131715.jADHFegR013940@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wow, that is an amazing site! The details are wonderful. Thanks so much for posting it! The back of the indigo regency dress is just lovely. I am surprised (because this is not a period I've ever studied) to see all the very practical "drawstrings" on these dresses, some of which are not even hidden. Now for my question. On the bib-front dress: http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. So how does it work? Gail Finke Thinking about an Easter dress for the 11-year-old for next year... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 19:52:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE0qAwE013913 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:52:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE0ptu0063562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0psgh016005; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0pp3Q015946 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.197.4b78c5fa (3866) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <197.4b78c5fa.30a9399d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:51:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:41:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. So how does it work? It may have all been pins. The white lining flaps probably pinned shut, and sometimes the bib was pinned in place, as well--sometimes. though, it buttoned, with thread or, rarely, fabric, loops. If you can examine the actual garment, you can often see marks from repeated pinning. I pin my flaps now, although some folks opt to substitute snaps, instead. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 19:51:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE0pSJu013896 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:51:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE0p2nM063458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0p13Q015649; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAE0ovoF015623 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 29412 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 16:50:14 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29401, pid: 29404, t: 5.2318s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 16:50:09 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051113164903.030a22c0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:50:50 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress In-Reply-To: References: <200511131715.jADHFegR013940@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 04:29 PM 11/13/2005, you wrote: >Wow, that is an amazing site! The details are wonderful. Thanks so much for >posting it! The back of the indigo regency dress is just lovely. I am >surprised (because this is not a period I've ever studied) to see all the >very practical "drawstrings" on these dresses, some of which are not even >hidden. > >Now for my question. On the bib-front dress: > >http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm > >How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice >construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, >that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, >and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. > >So how does it work? > >Gail Finke > >Thinking about an Easter dress for the 11-year-old for next year... It looks like the fronts should pin closed, then the bib comes up and is pinned at the corners. That's how I'd do it. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 20:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE13d3g014075 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE13Im8064620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE132JW020661; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE12vu7020584 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-154.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.154]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2005 09:02:50 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <4377E3DD.7060308@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:49 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I copied this dress a few months ago and put up a few pictures on my webpage http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/regency4.htm - its the red-checked dress. I also referred to my copy of Costume in Detail. regards, Aylwen Garden --------------------------------------- http://www.aylwen.com Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >Wow, that is an amazing site! The details are wonderful. Thanks so much for >posting it! The back of the indigo regency dress is just lovely. I am >surprised (because this is not a period I've ever studied) to see all the >very practical "drawstrings" on these dresses, some of which are not even >hidden. > >Now for my question. On the bib-front dress: > >http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm > >How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice >construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, >that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, >and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. > >So how does it work? > >Gail Finke > >Thinking about an Easter dress for the 11-year-old for next year... > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 05:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEAHEqF030920 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:17:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEAGkMt034537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEAGeqh050242; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEAGbHk050197 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5373192C9 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:16:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:16:33 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20051114101632.3F5373192C9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Thank you for the response! I'll try to answer all the emails at once. I will hopefully get the "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) and the Cut of Women's Clothes as a X-mas present from my husband. I already read in a revieuw that the patterns are from pre-1780s and the other half from 1840 on. But I am also planning on making a 1860 or 1885 "Dickens fair" costume for my husband. I have the Laughing Moon 109 men's frock coat for that. It will be the fhirst time I will make something tailord as that and the pattern looks quite difficult. Diana Snipp<< Actually, if you look closer at the embroidered white dresses, they use a very light cotton fabric and leave it smooth across the front. Then start your pleating around where the arms hang and the majority of the pleats are in the back. It is much more flattering than pleating or gathering all around the top of the skirt. >> I think I'll do that. Thanks for the idea. I hadn't noticed it before. Bjarne Snipp<< In Koehler´s book, there is a nice cut of a gentlemans garment for this event. Its from 1804. This is not one of the coats that is cut straight over at the front, but has the curves from previous fashion. >> That book is on my wish list too. I would love to make a beautifull embroidered 18th century costume for my husband like the ones you make. And I probaby will some day. Because of that I think it would be more interesting for me to make a more different costume for this period. Ann Wass Snipp<< Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion" >> I have a copy of a part of that book. Unfortionally only untill 1585 De Snipp<< Gallery with some regency http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm >> Yum!!!!!!!!!!!! Aylwen Garden Snipp<< I am in the middle of making some Regency tailcoats - I have been scaling up patterns from RL Shep "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819". If you want to chat while you're putting it together I'm only an email away. Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights >> You make beautifull costumes! "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819" Looks like an interesting book. But it looks like it is out of print :( Kathleen Snipp<< Think that the one I have and have used is from Rockinghorse Farm(?), It is double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes before I cut it out. >> I have never used Rocking horse farm patterns. Do you mean the dragoon Uniform pattern? http://rockinghorse-farm.com/ The others are only the waistcoats. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 09:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEE9StT028245 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:09:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEE8e79078000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEE8WAZ052838; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEE8Pri052688 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86617 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 14:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 14:08:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051114140605.01d8f358@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:08:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question In-Reply-To: <20051114101632.3F5373192C9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <20051114101632.3F5373192C9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Deredere You might also be interested in some research I did into Regency coats, a little later than you are planning, but the tailoring is very similar. I wrote an article on the research for Vintage Connection. http://www.vintageconnection.net/archives/RegencyCoats.htm Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 13:38:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEIcI27002510 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:38:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEIaroG014665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIacxl057881; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIaSM3057711 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1017751wra for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=M9etvD7mH379W6+al+R/vBLYlNwLA5G5hCUxdSx+wOIocQavV1gkuE1RCY8TCRTwoMBWP6JPeEPgcp/gwzprVU8RiQxs9YJfGf2nftHXTjSSYEbHYb88RFvnndIF//5PzgGCBYg0G2LSJsM0Mb3isR1vND9OBQ1Nz0XqF2E3J9c= Received: by 10.65.83.18 with SMTP id k18mr3985514qbl; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.204.8 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAEIaSM3057711 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 13:51:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEIpuLX002905 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEIpXrK016919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIpUxw070912; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIpNmS070820 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1020548wra for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:51:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uXHyUsnDd2QU74vkNpFxdFZ0rpFe0TtgZXaUDPkfIrVIOVxaKXjz1w9VSz+UZDQlZp0NwFBM1PplZtZ74FR2AF9mPkbsh9FGjIkZpIHjPL9OvpsYK2QlGkdB9ZRST/FoMgiJb4DY7OfwDugx5V8xLcX2/N+1JCX+Oye26imjiFc= Received: by 10.64.210.17 with SMTP id i17mr3210937qbg; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:51:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:22 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAEIpNmS070820 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com A German coat a'la 1580. Front opening fitted bodice, skirt pleated in the back. Made of rust fulled wool, lined with black Muppet fur. The long sleeves end in hefty turned back cuffs, and a black silk cord is couched along the entire circumference. Just for fun. Didn't even bother to hand sew this one. Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:08:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJ8Tis003178 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:08:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJ870F018985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJ81dU084355; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJ7ufX084197 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.238.13c90be (16111) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D39 (fwm-d39.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.15]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef4378e0851e5; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:49 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.15) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:48 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 14877 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.15 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am making Vogue 2607 in an iridescent burgundy silk dupioni from fabric.com, and commissioning a pearl and garnet necklace from Israel to wear with it. My husband plans to wear a black jacket with charcoal mock turtle neck and black pants, as the perfect foil for my eye popping attire. Of course, between now and then, I have to complete his 16th century Italian outfit, make gifts for the 5 kids and wrap up about a dozen other projects, classic underachiever that I am. ;-) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Cin To: h-cost Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJCbVk003228 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJC62U019615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJC1vI087849; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m105.mxlogic.net (p03m105.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJBoAa087658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m105.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.4-07) with SMTP id a71e8734.1868958640.140940.p03m105.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:36 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F9FB@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcXpTdzqqrOfL1KCSJyCYQBfsmXFFgAAH9fQ From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 19:09:36.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[F47D7230:01C5E94E] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAEJBoAa087658 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have two, one of which is my size, the other is my Great-Great-Grandmother's size. (Well, it was her mannequin, after all! ;) GGGramma's is wearing a tricked-out full-length leather coat, with shiny antique buttons. My size is wearing a conglomerate of things, including a star-spangled skirt in need of a new waistband, some half-finished bat wings, and a cream colored nearly-done cloak which is holding the bat wings in place. When *those* get done, I'll be working on a mid-1500's German gown. Theoretically, at least. ;) Kate McClure aka StitchWitch Beads? What beads . . . ? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:15:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJFHXt003292 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJEujX020182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJEn3s090467; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJEfnQ090257 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:14:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECF93A1F8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:14:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4378E252.1050206@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:15:30 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Cin wrote: > So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? LOL! Cat hair... well, it would be if I had one. I'm "between projects" right now, nothing on the calendar for about 3 months. I've got mending and alterations to do to several costumes from previous events and I'm busy picking horrible little 3-d flowers off a perfectly good bolt of linen I bought on clearance a couple months ago. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJQf2B003557 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJQ8JD021703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJQ4Nb000482; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJFUVY091166 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558e.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.142]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E962D5EE0C1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:15:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:15:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Well as you all know, the yellow dress. . But for myself, cant use my dressdummy for something for myself , i have ben wanting to make me a cavallier outfit. 'There is an opera masqued ball in february again and i have this grey damask wich is a cotton/(dont remember the name) blend. I also have this reproduktion reticella lace i baught from England for the cuffs and standing band. I want to make it an early cavallier style. I even have enough fabric to make a female outfit two, for my niece if she wants to go because i emptied all the shop for this bargain fabric. Newyear is cavallier time............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the > dummy and > *then* tell us about it. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 16:53:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAELr4GA006786 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAELqPai045148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELqF4j028375; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELq3kY028180 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B72140014 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb03.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.436af616.8516d for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDeQb+8M247wIAAAAB,28313f252d0c3700044917c55b0fbdc6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.72] Message-Id: <20051114135158.59D97A68@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Cin wrote: From: Cin Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 16:55:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAELtpRB006857 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:55:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAELsYZS045500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELsSSu030513; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELqr9u029041 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1D8404C4 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.436af617.858f1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDeQc0R5R8/gIAAAAB,64b41fb6d06e4302869ec7ff8e5781a6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.72] Message-Id: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Whoops - I hit the send button instead of the tab. Mine is wearing an almost completed Regency gown I am making for a friend for Christmas. It is soft white lawn with tiny pink rosebuds and very delicate moss green vines and leaves. And I wanted to find a ribbon to match the green, but so far have been out of luck. I may have to go with the pink. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Cin wrote: From: Cin Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 16:56:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAELun7H006883 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAELuYhv045755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELuT2e032169; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from astros.uttyler.edu (astros.uttyler.edu [206.76.228.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELuDsx031948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vicki_betts@mail.uttyl.edu) Received: from ([198.213.56.77]) by astros.uttyler.edu with ESMTP id KP-GGD45.5639783; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:40:29 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: From: Vicki_Betts@mail.uttyl.edu Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:43:41 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dark blue faille 1882 bustle dress (kick pleat skirt and cuirass bodice), with inset dark blue figured velvet panel down front of skirt and on front of bodice; cuffs and standup collar also figured velvet. White lace at wrist and top of collar. About a dozen dark blue "jewel and gold" buttons down the front. Very small black silk on buckram bonnet with faux jet and ribbon trim sitting on top, that goes with the black cotton velvet talma which has "jet" beading along the upper edge of the deep looped fringe. I wore it to an 1883 reunion of Civil War veterans. Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:03:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEM3SXx007046 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEM2BYD046400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM1wdu036586; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM1o4P036385 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92613BF96E for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:41:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:41:11 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051114214115.92613BF96E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Well.... One of my dummies is wearing a very pink dress. It is finished but it reminds me that I am going to make it again but then with a long skirt and in very pale blue. I will be wearing the blue gown to the X-mas/New years party from my husbands job. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Fantasy/Chii/Chii.html And on an other is a black and purple gothic version of a robe a la francaise. Wich I will hopefully sell next weekend on a Gothic and Fantasy fair. http://mystictimes.nl/Verkoop/Verkoop.html Don't have any pictures of the gown yet but I really like it. I am working on a corset from the butteric pattern. I only adjusted the angle of the schoulderstrap on the front. Now it is a bit more like the original pattern in Corsets and crinolines. It promeses to be a very comfortable lightwaight corset. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:05:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEM5H4B007102 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:05:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEM51Zh046720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM4v10039046; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM4p3Y038908 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m229.in-tch.com [216.166.191.229]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAELvOk22925 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:57:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002a01c5e968$59cffa40$e5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4378E252.1050206@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:11:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I did exactly the same thing (picking off horrid flowers) a couple of months ago. The final result was a whole ziploc bag full of little black linen flowers, which I passed on to a friend, who can actually *do* something with them, and a bolt of perfectly nice, medium-weight, white linen. Cost? Less than $2/yd (on sale at JoAnn's) Satisfaction? Priceless..... --Sue, who doesn't have a dress dummy, but if I did, she'd probably be wearing cat hairs, since just about everything else in this house does as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > Cin wrote: > > > So, what's your dressmaker's > > dummy wearing today? > > LOL! Cat hair... well, it would be if I had one. I'm "between projects" > right now, nothing on the calendar for about 3 months. I've got mending > and alterations to do to several costumes from previous events and I'm > busy picking horrible little 3-d flowers off a perfectly good bolt of > linen I bought on clearance a couple months ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEM9ZDk007248 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:09:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEM75do046985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEKqnoa076972; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEKpvDX076204 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1956 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2005 20:51:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rprxco/JtNiZVjm2VH9AK41yl3sV4vjKF2dDzfdKGk2cnMUfLg079aWRb9rvef64QCr0Hv4y+psfG1mSmYJ7J3MU/eu04iNilVrTN+wQwvik3pJAKWtAvQPu/G9q9jKu0pW12uxCJXabFbZ1p4p3VdbNEI6Qz2c8utBHazhc5Ac= ; Message-ID: <20051114205150.1954.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:51:50 PST Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:51:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=48% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine quite brazen, she's only wearing a circa 1897 petticoat...my male friends have been warned to mind their manners :) Chris G. Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:13:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEMDAlG007364 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEMCZCi047688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMCUZd045249; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMCM6A045124 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=W4O+Im7QElclTifs/FwJDIW4w5b1eCMSkLlS+QyOXvYgUwmO8+0ZQdif0n7FBiEO; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.128.125] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EbmYm-0004UG-Aw for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01eb01c5e968$9ccc6a40$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ce92b0e67a4501b39c91057ddb45e60cd10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.128.125 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Right now mine's topless. On her bottom half she's wearing the red with yellow fleur de lis skirt that will be the lower half of my new 1635 Cavalier gown for 12th Night. The bodice is cut out, but I'm embroidering it with gold thread and pearls before I sew it together. She also has a leather bat-wing-horned-looking mask sitting on top of a white irridecent veil where her head would be if she had one, mostly because I can't find a place to put the mask and I need to remember to return the veil to its owner. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:23:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEMNpqH007660 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEMNOE9049074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMNFgI053553; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMMlaE053119 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200511142222510140012f0de>; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:50 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:50 +0000 Message-Id: <111420052222.20636.43790E39000C32F10000509C22007507849C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I wish I had a dressmaker's dummy. If I did have one, I believe I would have a 16th century German dress on it. There's a dress on the front of a pattern from Period Patterns that I just adore. The color would be emerald green. Maybe Santa will be nice to me this year. Sigh..... Roscelin > --- Cin wrote: > From: Cin > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 > To: h-cost > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might > even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the > reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy > on the dummy and > *then* tell us about it. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN6Nb7008628 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN5oQp055896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN5k2A089027; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN5fN4088863 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.257.1050217 (25305) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <257.1050217.30aa723b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:05:31 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: Right now mine's topless. And mine is bottomless. She is wearing the bodice of a shawl overdress based on an 1810 French fashion plate. I bought 2 silk paisley shawls at El Corte Ingles in Madrid a couple of years ago. The project is taking longer than I hoped, though. First, the two shawls did not match exactly, so the skirt looks kind of wonky, but I'll live. Then, I sewed the collar on upside down. Fixed it now, though. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN7P2K008650 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:07:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN79wv056115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN75hp090099; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN6um2089912 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.9f.6c50fbdb (25305) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.6c50fbdb.30aa7285@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:24:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net writes: I wish I had a dressmaker's dummy. I scrounged one of my dummies out of a trash can. It needed a fitting to hold the base together, but I went to my local hardware store, where they fixed me up. The other I bought for $5 at a yard sale. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:08:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN88pm008665 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN643Y055926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMSRo9057847; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEMS2Kt057435 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 92611 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2005 22:27:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jlji42uc1Yp92sgw53iFmc1mEOPC68qIVbwiL/XyPFRzAodGgvDb3FmXiBX4S1/BIK3xn6+ojKWu1zL0L+JBypiVjsC/fjBPjUdBiQDkFRjjDhl4ucq8Qrz/8UoFm29pedQZmwP++HaycRHL7of1pbGoxbefLM4CEimtGbUBI2s= ; Message-ID: <20051114222756.92609.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.127] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:27:56 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My son has armor draped on it. I made a duct tape dummy lost weight and moved it to the garage. My son needed some place to hold his leather tunic with metal plates while he works on it, and look, there's a dummie in the garage, just for him, he thinks. alex Cin wrote: It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:09:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN9rZ9008712 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN8oeD056423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN8j1R091513; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN8aBw091370 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8e.32f75300 (25305) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.32f75300.30aa72ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:27:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: cant use my dressdummy for something for myself You need to get a male mannequin, too! I bought a torso from a shirt store that was closing for $10. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:28:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAENSFV3009193 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:28:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAENRkK5060492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAENRfP1007724; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAENRZZJ007566 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail64.nyc.untd.com (webmail64.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.204]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBZUHKBA6YEN5J for (sender ); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:26:25 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail64.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K9S8M4DD; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:25:57 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail64.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:25:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:25:11 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051114.152557.24072.79021@webmail64.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 20c8487148b59168b591694d91692c7c99b9bc159d5cb9dd75a19dd8dd6cd928dd38f8a8c8b1c861f1698891c84d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn73d08NL2Cs1kw6cPziVg2VOVuBOAXI3c/w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.204|webmail64.nyc.untd.com|webmail64.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAENSFV3009193 I have two forms, one is not at all my size (I wish!) but it's good enough to display gowns on. It's an antique style with the seperate plates. The other is modern foam with cotton cover. It's not exactly my size, but ti's closer than the other one- got it when a fabric store was closing for cheap. The antique form has my vamprie character, Sadie, on it right now. She's based on the 1880's 'late bustle' style, but with very little regard for period construction. She's all purple bridal satin with black trim and sequins. I made her to work Fright Fest at Six Flag's Great America a few years back and decided I really liked her so I trot her out periodically. I just wore her for the WindyCon masquerade competition and won 'Best in Show'.....which makes me feel like I should be trotted around a ring on a leash and then rewarded with a doggie biscuit....but maybe not..... Karen Seamstrix -- Alex Doyle wrote: My son has armor draped on it. I made a duct tape dummy lost weight and moved it to the garage. My son needed some place to hold his leather tunic with metal plates while he works on it, and look, there's a dummie in the garage, just for him, he thinks. alex Cin wrote: It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAENxn69009941 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAENs0jE064698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAENrwa4027690; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAENrr93027626 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.150.177] (dialup-4.249.150.177.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.150.177]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAENriBh009937 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:53:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43792380.8050008@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:53:36 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Cin wrote: > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin One is wearing Bilbo's shirt and party vest in progress (and no trousers!), the other is wearing a bodice mockup of a 1927 shirt dress (gotta fix the armscye) and a long red pleated skirt so the cats can play under it. I had to take off the Regency dress from one because Bilbo has to take precedence right now. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 19:12:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF0CUxf010260 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:12:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF06wjj066133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF06rXw036383; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF06nxO036315 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1075823wra for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L5CCzwlVIpdxuptXfnVEDJq1E4t6d4CNsKKQzFPEzoONvhb+CZfVIwXljHxJFwLyKlcyOOQTZtDat2dUOt+/VHPey62YwPmdd1WFUz6YNEzMXkxAHPFslqvwzkVoe0of543wGvtt1yvfwxawiviG3HbuGQBjys3ED8oLY1nOXr8= Received: by 10.65.244.12 with SMTP id w12mr28963qbr; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.204.8 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAF06nxO036315 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: >Right now mine's topless. Both mine are in a shocking state of deshabille! Euphrosnia, the strumpet, sports a copy of the Verney Gown, a forest of quilt pins and not much else. The gown's armholes are ragged, as is the neckline. The gown is fully lined and she wears it inside-out waiting for binding to beautify, support & conceal rough shoulder seams. Possibly she wears her coat inside out to repulse pixies. Adonis, exhibitionist that he is, wears only a black gilet that belongs under a Charles de Blois style pourpoint. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 20:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF1rT2c012840 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF1qiOH080411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF1qfLO001128; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF1qbG8001029 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c4.35ad8105 (4459) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.35ad8105.30aa995d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:52:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com right now? dust _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 21:03:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF231q9013078 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF22gih082188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF22g2C006728; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF22b91006633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF3aG1N006585 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:36:17 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:04:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511142104.30952.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Monday 14 November 2005 2:07 pm, chindora@aol.com wrote: > I am making Vogue 2607 in an iridescent burgundy silk dupioni from > fabric.com, and commissioning a pearl and garnet necklace from Israel to > wear with it. My husband plans to wear a black jacket with charcoal mock > turtle neck and black pants, as the perfect foil for my eye popping attire. Wow! Sounds really sharp. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 21:04:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF24crF013123 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF24PpB082552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF24OLc007797; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:04:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF24KfK007679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF3bxs3006621 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:38:00 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:06:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511142106.13570.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Monday 14 November 2005 1:51 pm, Marie Stewart wrote: > A German coat a'la 1580. Front opening fitted bodice, skirt pleated > in the back. Made of rust fulled wool, lined with black Muppet fur. > The long sleeves end in hefty turned back cuffs, and a black silk cord > is couched along the entire circumference. Sounds lovely. But what is "Muppet fur?" -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 21:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF2rdgS014535 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:53:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF2r4b0088483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF2r2s8033948; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF21Q9X005945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF3Z5jq006567 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:35:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:03:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511142103.19479.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Monday 14 November 2005 1:36 pm, Cin wrote: > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? I don't have a dressmaker's dummy. Never have. But the clothes hanger that is taking the place in my life of a dressmaker's dummy is wearing the first few parts of a 10th c Lithuanian costume I am attempting to recreate--the (completed) tunic and the (incomplete) shawl. The overskirt, veil and circlet I've made are done too--but those don't stay on a hanger very well. :-) I have socks, Baltic-style slippers, and a wool sash that I've purchased. Once I finish the apron and shawl and obtain a suitable set of stickpins, I'll be done! :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 22:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF37Tmm014850 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:07:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF35iSs089990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF35gfl040599; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF35aZA040538 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.181.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.181] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ebr8Z-0002Pf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <43794FC3.6080708@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:02:27 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler References: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191203.0366b528@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you Bjarne for posting this on the list. > > Melanie, I, too, love the work you have done on that doublet. You have > inspired me to follow suit, as soon as I can find some time and a > suitable project to work on. Ah, perhaps the glove gauntlets I keep > wanting to do, since small and portable must be a part of the criteria. That sounds lovely! > Please Melanie, keep us informed on your progress. I will, of course, though progress is slow. Perhaps in a year or two I'll have something more to show than more of the same. For right now, I'm 3/4 through the embroidery and applique on the doublet. Next panel on the frame will be the other half of the front plus the short uppersleeve pieces, then a panel or two of skirt guarding. THEN I can begin construction! Slowly but surely (mostly slowly), Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 23:23:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF4Mtnn016666 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:23:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF4MIP8099106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF4MDYg084055; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF4M8QD084019 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE417395D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005301c5e99c$bed5cda0$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:26:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com One is wearing an Edwardian outfit in a great shade of purple (it was a pink I overdyed with blue) with white lace trim around the neck, decorating the top, and the bottom of the sleeves. The skirt has white insertions where the side panels met the front panel, all of this needs ribbons laced through it, but I haven't find a color I liked yet. I made to wear to an event this summer and liked the way it turned out. the other is wearing: a crinoline, a silk ruffled petticoat, a scarlet lace tiered petticoat, a bright purple underskirt, and a black silk and lace tiered skirt. On top she has a black lace blouse with leg-o-mutton sleeves. and a bright red 7" wide belt that is tied with red satin ribbon. The skirt is tucked up so all the layers show. I was seeing if I liked the look, and I do, now all I have to do is find some place to wear it :-) Susan in Bellevue > So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 00:32:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF5WMpN018278 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF5VrXf006193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF5Vngr020733; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF5VjQB020702 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EbtQ0-0006hT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:44 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051114232604.031dd420@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:31:18 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511142307.jAEN763t090103@net.indra.com> References: <200511142307.jAEN763t090103@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com We don't have a dummy either. But, the DH is busy making 2 teddy bears and 2 shoulder wraps out of an old mink coat. A co-worker of mine had this old coat from her grandmother, and she asked if we could make bears and wraps out of it for her granddaughters. So, I spent about 2 weeks carefully picking the whole thing apart, now the re-construction begins. The wraps will be lined with the original coat lining, and there were some monogram appliques on the lining that will be applied to one of the wraps as well. We'll probably put the original coat label on the other wrap. My project for the next 1.5 months will be baking holiday goodies and the various holiday dinners. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 02:01:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF71QO1020494 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:01:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF70lJ3013414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF70gnC058350; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF70T04058235 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAF70oil012293 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:00:50 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.63.213] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.213]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF70L3W062212 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:00:27 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051114225034.026b5400@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:53:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company >dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be >planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, >costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's >dummy wearing today? I'm storing a couple of hats on her right now, including my basic Harry Potter's World hat. Other than that she's just wearing a t-shirt with the bones of the human torso and hips printed on it. It belongs to her actually. I used to take her to schools to put costumes on, for historical talks, and the little kids would giggle when the clothes came off. But they don't giggle when they see bones underneath. (It ain't no sin to take off your skin and dance around in your bones.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 04:53:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF9qwlj027578 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:52:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF9qPtR043402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF9qLUi030426; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42406.mail.yahoo.com (web42406.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAF9qH3p030378 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95282 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2005 09:52:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1UBeERWPg1zYC6K+Wv853MhNNF96Tc8PvSdxWX7NWl8H9EGkzReQbPllQOqVzWE4URusO84pDqWOyvU+QUILS72wadxUJaXxLk0gKK/lr8S+4SGUFT9Bek5G/lT9bvQ1HRoLN9uY4fGyTn/lkmSvvZ5qf2DV8UD2uV5HaQqMmhk= ; Message-ID: <20051115095212.95280.qmail@web42406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.66] by web42406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:52:12 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi! My toddler size dummy is wearing a Christmas Fairy costume; I just need to cut out 200 holly leaves!! I wonder if my 3 year old daughter will appreciate all the hard work?!! All the best Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 04:55:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF9tol4028076 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF9t1l3043486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:55:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF9t1Rm031313; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:55:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF9stXB031213 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE5121016A for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24923-03-8 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DB6C210168 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:54:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <015801c5e9ca$806ed560$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <257.1050217.30aa723b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:53:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > > In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: > > Right now mine's topless. > > > And mine is bottomless. And mine is naked as a jaybird. I'm collecting the last of the materials for my Pelican gown and I refuse to start anything else until that dress is DONE. (slaps hand that is wandering toward that oh-so-tempting pile of fabrics..) I'm also preparing to move---have to be out of this house by January 1, before the wrecking ball hits...so starting any more projects right now would a bit...silly. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 06:02:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFB1vOo010288 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:02:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFAxxwV049155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFAxt2H059269; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFAxqIE059231 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21f.2cf9797 (57365) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <21f.2cf9797.30ab199f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:59:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/15/2005 4:53:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I just need to cut out 200 holly leaves!! I wonder if my 3 year old daughter will appreciate all the hard work?!! I appreciate it! I would never do it--I would use ready-made leaves, myself. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 07:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFCpIMJ028184 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:51:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFCoQdE057667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFCoJrg007223; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFCoHTF007200 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so1222598wxd for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:50:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lZwVhxIThFCH30zZJIbLaXTJcqgrvxqtBi4xT1lNShORipZl4JwG49YXSpjHPCiqqIVushqpZOrI142LhhIZz8/KPDDs7mi7lLqpDPTFRxsFgZLj8xjIKGwzfcDuUPouyHa7ldtqqHdiA7XKbYC8BX30jUZpCLryOFYKzEthmjE= Received: by 10.65.153.12 with SMTP id f12mr7088996qbo; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:50:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:15 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAFCoHTF007200 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Muppet Fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> http://www.fabric.com/Webdata/Product/d4ebf93b-829b-405c-b49d-68a951920948/Images/Medium_AK-781.jpg Mari On 11/14/05, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Monday 14 November 2005 1:51 pm, Marie Stewart wrote: > > A German coat a'la 1580. Front opening fitted bodice, skirt pleated > > in the back. Made of rust fulled wool, lined with black Muppet fur. > > The long sleeves end in hefty turned back cuffs, and a black silk cord > > is couched along the entire circumference. > > Sounds lovely. But what is "Muppet fur?" > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:14:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDEirq028808 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDE7l3060050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:14:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDE26c019217; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42404.mail.yahoo.com (web42404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAFDE1S3019157 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30334 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2005 13:13:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=32dP1Hlfov+7JydN5UaxRe3ESqQq6g/PvWcHdxVl+fpS0rmVPpuj2SBXaNn+2CqQp3mMiSdltLhov26mzqmxwk5kmVA1WafAdgA+wdggGOAb71AZli82hgyZzJDzMY3/KRnvxzNd6gZlf5eEpgpuluvSr0Oxs5gm8CmxR0NtjGM= ; Message-ID: <20051115131355.30332.qmail@web42404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.116.137] by web42404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:13:55 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi! Ann I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), and I have to budget for gift shopping for Santa (I'm one of his elves in disguise!! lol), so the DIY option was the cheapest. Hubby has promised to cut some out though! Better find that extra pair of scissors....! All the best Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:22:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDMOmS028970 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDLwkb060909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDLudo023207; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDLncf023126 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.73.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.73] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ec0ks-00045u-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:46 -0500 Message-ID: <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:18:36 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Marie Stewart wrote: > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDfVhw029361 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDeuDo062640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDesQJ032461; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDep74032426 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2476f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.111]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ABCE5EE00A for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:40:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c5e9ea$36b99c00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:40:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Now we are talking about fur. Yesterday they had a bargain in my Mall. I could get a silverfox with head, legs and tails, you know how these looks like, for a bargain. Very fine quality. Could i use such a fox and sew on my 18th century cloak? I would consider it a shame to remove the head, legs and tail, but would this be period? My cloak has a wide falling collar made of faux fur! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:43:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDhDjg029408 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDgOlS062753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDgOg9033152; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDgIq5033090 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so1129426wxc for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:42:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yz0AtizW/9O2z2RHnGYMR14W994UK5JsXNK7hG34YyKYOqYU/1YY3UUrwElaDqGZhQn8lDtJ/6E8lYcCG0cifwPtSyIFaC0fQgiMlolgOAxDCobqY13pOJZHlhHb4nTEVAgDK09zjf5AKmZWf0egiHzahBSRLSpLDO1QZdpUlLU= Received: by 10.65.218.2 with SMTP id v2mr7020975qbq; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:42:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:42:18 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur In-Reply-To: <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAFDgIq5033090 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I misremembered the date. Portrait of Young Woman Artist: Hans Holbein 1517 http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/5wife.jpg On 11/15/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Marie Stewart wrote: > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your > inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you > might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which > was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining > in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) > > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:54:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDsXG1029645 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:54:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDrooU064555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDrldM039303; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDriNq039202 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:53:38 -0800 Message-ID: <4379E8CF.5090902@msn.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:55:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 13:53:38.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAE78370:01C5E9EB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine is wearing a draping of a black wool skirt with an overlay of silver/grey burnout velvet (black background) in a cool scrollie pattern. I'm not sure what it will be yet. I am just playing with fabric at the moment. Sg Other than that it periodically holds my new ruff for the upcoming presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum. SG > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEOIAU030390 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:24:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFENvVx067774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFENs0o054937; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAFENnx7054864 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50218 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 14:23:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051115141749.01d74998@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:23:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: References: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine has one small hip pad, and one slightly larger, (as the lady has one hip higher than the other,) and a petticoat from the costume which I made a year or two ago. I am now making a quilted petticoat to go under the caraco jacket. There is a tape measure, an Indian cap with sequin and embroidery - from when I was "into" elephants - now it's dragons. It also has pins and safety pins in the neck, and a piece of elastic tied round the waist to checking skirt lengths. Also a tape measure pinned to the back neck and waist, and hanging down the back to give me a height when I need it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:30:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEUigh030488 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEUJc3068374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEUIR2058446; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEUEv2058370 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 818985878 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:30:12 -0600 Message-ID: <016c01c5e9f1$1a34df70$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:30:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Muppet fur is what you get when you skin a dead muppet! Preferrably a prime pelt like Cookie Monster, Elmo or Snuffalupagus. Kermit and the Count never have prime pelts, so not worth the bother. Is Sesame Street old enough to be on-topic for a historical costuming list? Denise B in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:44:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEi40B030753 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEhYmL070005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEhWKi065911; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEhSqZ065877 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m174.in-tch.com [216.166.191.174]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAFEa3k21413 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:36:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005e01c5e9f3$dd53ab60$aebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com><4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Nice portrait! It'll be great to see the outfit when you finish it. This whole use of fur prompts an odd question for me, though. I'm aware, from all the years of costuming I've done in the SCA, and all the conversations about it, that the heat/perspiration/cooling properties of fabrics can vary enormously depending on whether they're natural or man-made materials, let alone, what kind of natural materials. Does anyone have any similar experience to share about the differing properties of real and faux furs? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > misremembered the date. > > Portrait of Young Woman > Artist: Hans Holbein > 1517 > > http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/5wife.jpg > > On 11/15/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Marie Stewart wrote: > > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > > > Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your > > inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you > > might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which > > was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining > > in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) > > > > Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEpBjX030962 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:51:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEoVT1070740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEoS1R069916; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEoPHI069885 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAFEoOug006727 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:50:24 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.63.213] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.213]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEoDQ2060668 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:50:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051115064613.035ea2f8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:50:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051114225034.026b5400@mail.frys.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >>It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company >>dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be >>planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, >>costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's >>dummy wearing today? > >I'm storing a couple of hats on her right now, including my basic Harry >Potter's World hat. Other than that she's just wearing a t-shirt with the >bones of the human torso and hips printed on it. It belongs to her >actually. I used to take her to schools to put costumes on, for >historical talks, and the little kids would giggle when the clothes came >off. But they don't giggle when they see bones underneath. (It ain't no >sin to take off your skin and dance around in your bones.) I forgot to mention that mine has a head I made out of a cut-down Styrofoam wig head. I added a hollow neck of poster board, that fits over her original neck, then I paper mache-ed over the whole head/neck thing. I can take her head off so I can put clothes on her body, then I can replace it so I can try out the head-wear with the clothes. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 10:21:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFFLuYU031692 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFFLRYM074796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFLLxP090747; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFLGq0090649 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.12f.6987040a (4246) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.6987040a.30ab56de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:21:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com one's wearing the fabric for a coat I'm making the other half for christmas - one's wearing a victorian corset (or the beginnings of it anyway - one (child sized) is wearing a part made British army Crimean uniform (child sized, obv.), and the other is naked, but soon to be wearing an 18th century embroidered coat. well, you did ask.... debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 10:34:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFFYX9t031867 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:34:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFFXLJ3076226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFXGG4099079; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFXCaT099029 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1193461wra for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XvGIW2gWCOdJ8sR6+2xq9EkhFNJgGjkJPHfnga61Tb2lHpgbhi+UyGstkaKlTkvAALGbF2kzt6Cri2LnQhGzomDBrMlc4TInv9XIGslJQ8DBvJusAbs7nrlv4+GPXbhTaP47fyxVka+N2FGrvSF8RkbG7ylOWDktrvhD1UU1b1A= Received: by 10.65.44.7 with SMTP id w7mr930531qbj; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511150733v50724059xb14575e5b1957baf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:33:11 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur In-Reply-To: <005e01c5e9f3$dd53ab60$aebfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c5e9f3$dd53ab60$aebfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAFFXCaT099029 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com That's part of my experiment! Cool. I'm trying to see how well the fluff of the acrylic fur will trap heat. I'm betting that my natural sheep skin will do a better job, but... just have to give it a try. Bridgette On 11/15/05, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Nice portrait! It'll be great to see the outfit when you finish it. > This whole use of fur prompts an odd question for me, though. I'm aware, > from all the years of costuming I've done in the SCA, and all the > conversations about it, that the heat/perspiration/cooling properties of > fabrics can vary enormously depending on whether they're natural or man-made > materials, let alone, what kind of natural materials. Does anyone have any > similar experience to share about the differing properties of real and faux > furs? > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Stewart" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:42 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > > > > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > > misremembered the date. > > > > Portrait of Young Woman > > Artist: Hans Holbein > > 1517 > > > > http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/5wife.jpg > > > > On 11/15/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > Marie Stewart wrote: > > > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in > black. > > > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > > > > > Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your > > > inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you > > > might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which > > > was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining > > > in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) > > > > > > Melanie Schuessler > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 11:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFGdOTi001618 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFGaJr0085408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFGEt1H031387; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:15:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFGEiK5031124 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cf.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.207]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9745F262873 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:14:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c5e9ff$b0c044d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:14:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] chemise construktion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I am a little embarrased to ask, because i really aught to know and have made this before, but actually i never made a chemise before because i always just edged my dresses with lace. But i want to construkt after Jean Hunniset's chemise. My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches for movement. Is this correkt? Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i just sew it to the dress sleaves? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:05:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFH5QIq002420 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFH4eUD089141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFH4cPp072985; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFH4YvI072879 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.fd.211bc295 (4552) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:04:21 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/15/2005 11:21:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches for movement. Is this correkt? ***************************** I'd add more that 2". Remember, in the period the cut reflects a time when things were not really cut as we think of it today, but came off the loom in rectangles and squares. Not all chemises add the triangular pieces for extra room in the hips and at the hem. It would then be a straight tube the measurement of the hip area and hem. You don't need to be THAT primitive....shaping is allowed. But I'd go a little fuller than usual. It all gets smashed under the corset, true, but sometimes the neck of the chemise gets drawn up by a cord in a casing ... Not as much as a ruffle...but a bit. *************************************** Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i just sew it to the dress sleaves? *********************************** Both is done in the period. I'd put them on the dress....unless you see some chemise sleeve peaking out from under the dress' sleeve.....which you do in the 1780s and 90s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:29:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHTTlJ002988 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:29:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHT4nm092585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHSxAf093680; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHSq8w093579 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cf.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.207]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C3A047FE47 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:28:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5ea0a$0ca79910$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:28:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Thanks for taking the time for this. I also have ben thinking it would be silly to add the engageantes to the chemise, as it always is going to be washed after each use, and therefore would be more labout to iron the laces of the sleaves. I want to make a casing for a drawstring along the neckline, so that it can be perfectly fitted to the dress neckline. I will use 2 inches extra, Thanks for this Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion > In a message dated 11/15/2005 11:21:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I > suppose > this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches > for > > movement. > Is this correkt? > ***************************** > > > I'd add more that 2". Remember, in the period the cut reflects a time when > things were not really cut as we think of it today, but came off the loom > in > rectangles and squares. Not all chemises add the triangular pieces for > extra > room in the hips and at the hem. It would then be a straight tube the > measurement of the hip area and hem. You don't need to be THAT > primitive....shaping > is allowed. But I'd go a little fuller than usual. It all gets smashed > under > the corset, true, but sometimes the neck of the chemise gets drawn up by > a > cord in a casing ... Not as much as a ruffle...but a bit. > > *************************************** > > > Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i > just > sew it to the dress sleaves? > > *********************************** > Both is done in the period. I'd put them on the dress....unless you see > some > chemise sleeve peaking out from under the dress' sleeve.....which you do > in > the 1780s and 90s. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHduSM003255 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHdHNm094366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHdEqM003138; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHd74e002936 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.164.25]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051115173900.MJFT11606.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <008101c5ea0a$ddf32840$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:34:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Unfortunately, I have nothing coming up that I can play dress-up at. I'm in a bit of a no-man's land by way of costuming, and any Christmas parties coming up are very informal. *Sigh* So instead I'm using the time to repair and update some of my dance costumes. Presently my dummy is looking all disco-sparkly in a lovely three tone gold Bedlah set, which I am in the process of adding more gold and holographic gold pailletes to. Base fabric is a dark almost tarnished looking matte gold, the silver-lined beads and sequins are orange and bright gold with a smattering of holograpic sequins and paillets in the mix. I usually make all of my own applique's, these ones are simple geometric shapes. I have also added some more large orange jewels, which I have 'set' with gold and orange beads. It's soon getting to the point where I will have to wear sunglasses to finish it. :-) I also need to finish off the set with some accessories, arm bands of some sort and something for my hair. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:48:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHmqDI003495 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHmZsr095459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHmU9t011036; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHmMbe010840 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8.7529a6d7 (16930) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <8.7529a6d7.30ab7953@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 728 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/15/05 5:30:41 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > It also has pins and safety pins in the neck Forgot about the assortment of pins, bits of fabric pinned on to mark CF and CB, and wastlines etc, and the remnants of a mock up of a cage crinoline that I haven't got round to taking off yet :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHodjK003534 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:50:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHoHhL095722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHoCVg012640; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHo2Fs012417 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.251.1147b38 (3956) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <251.1147b38.30ab79c1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:49:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAFHodjK003534 In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 14:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFJDshe005775 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:13:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJDJOg006326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJDACp080070; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marlborough.concentric.com (marlborough.concentric.com [207.155.248.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJCwqk079845 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from fruitbaum (66-105-235-2.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.2]) by marlborough.concentric.com id OAA10588; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:12:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200511151251.jAFCoKdR007233@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 thread-index: AcXp47vy0U4DZHbmRX6UBqTp0DzhuAANIriQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine's just wearing the canvas cover since I never got her to remotely resemble me...with an instructor's help. How do you model rounded shoulders and a hollow chest? A friend and I are planning on making duct tape doubles. Any better suggestions? I know that pinning will be more difficult and pins will get sticky. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 14:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFJQfEI006106 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJPkBJ008072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJPajX090320; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAFJPU4e090120 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 79345 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 19:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 19:25:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051115190005.01d77298@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:07:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion In-Reply-To: <000901c5e9ff$b0c044d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000901c5e9ff$b0c044d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 16:14 15/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I am a little embarrased to ask, because i really aught to know and >have made this before, but actually i never made a chemise before >because i always just edged my dresses with lace. >But i want to construkt after Jean Hunniset's chemise. >My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I >suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces >then + 2 inches for movement. >Is this correkt? >Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should >i just sew it to the dress sleaves? Your lady may need a little more in the width of the main pieces Bjarne. Jean's chemise is made to fit a 91-96 cm chest, (36"-38") and you will find anyone bigger needs a bit more or it is very snug. Because you are making a corset, and there should not be a lot of spare fabric under it, 2-3" maximum should be all you will need. You will not need extra for ease or movement because of the corset. Do also check the sleeves, as I find that they are rather snug too. You can use a casing for a draw string, but it also helps to put the corset on the unfinished chemise, pull down the extra, and cut the neckline once the corset is on. The sleeves sometimes have a draw string too, or the ends are left loose on the binding and tied. Do contact me off list if you want - I make these all the time. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 14:58:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFJwo2F007035 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJwGDs012066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJwDim017447; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJw5v9017299 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAFJw1ug024018 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:58:01 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.63.213] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.213]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJvwwp012156 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:58:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051115115529.032b45a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:56:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> References: <200511151251.jAFCoKdR007233@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >A friend and I are planning on making duct tape doubles. Any better >suggestions? I know that pinning will be more difficult and pins will get >sticky. Make a snug-fitting fabric cover for the duct tape one, and only pin to the cover. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 15:29:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFKTVhT007777 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFKSq6Y015958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKSkXd042046; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKSbOe041901 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.25]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ec7Pu-0002Fu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:28:34 -0500 Message-ID: <14243279.1132086514853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:28:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne, my reply about the lace frills is from a costumer and considers practicality rather than necessarily being authentic, but for what it's worth: I always edge the chemise in lace rather than sewing the lace to the dress, because the chemise is much easier to launder. With the actresses in make-up, the lace gets soiled easily but the dress usually stays pretty clean, and if the actress perspires this also affects the chemise much more than the costume, so washing the chemise keeps the whole costume looking clean and smelling fresh. Depending on how carefully the actress dresses, the lace edging may or may not be as precisely lined up with the sleeve and neckline edges as you'd want, but the ease of care is more important to me. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Nov 15, 2005 11:14 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] chemise construktion Hi, I am a little embarrased to ask, because i really aught to know and have made this before, but actually i never made a chemise before because i always just edged my dresses with lace. But i want to construkt after Jean Hunniset's chemise. My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches for movement. Is this correkt? Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i just sew it to the dress sleaves? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 15:49:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFKnlLB008322 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:49:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFKnPRh018506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKnKHM058308; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKnCex058209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0038.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.38]:2900 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1Ec7jt-0003Ld-5z for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <437A49BF.1000100@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:49:03 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Julie Tamura wrote: > Mine's just wearing the canvas cover since I never got her to remotely > resemble me...with an instructor's help. How do you model rounded shoulders > and a hollow chest? > > A friend and I are planning on making duct tape doubles. Any better > suggestions? I know that pinning will be more difficult and pins will get > sticky. > > Julie > I've heard of paper packing tape dummies, and they sound usable, whatever you make, I think a fitted canvas cover on it would give you something to pin to that won't make things difficult. I'm going to make one for mine. And since my duct tape dummy is fifty pounds ago, I'm going to make my canvas cover to fit me as I am now and then stuff it. Again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 15:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFKsGi0008455 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFKrrIl018923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKrrsU062096; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKrmNp062021 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5033E34D06 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:53:47 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] chemise construktion Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:53:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <14243279.1132086514853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am assuming that this is a 1700s outfit. (got in the topic late)a suggestion and not this is how it's done. If you have a double row of lace/ruffle on the sleeve, you could have the lace/ruffle that is near the skin sewn to the chemise and the top lace/ruffle sewn to the dress. -----Original Message----- Bjarne, my reply about the lace frills is from a costumer and considers practicality rather than necessarily being authentic, but for what it's worth: I always edge the chemise in lace rather than sewing the lace to the dress, because the chemise is much easier to launder. With the actresses in make-up, the lace gets soiled easily but the dress usually stays pretty clean, and if the actress perspires this also affects the chemise much more than the costume, so washing the chemise keeps the whole costume looking clean and smelling fresh. Depending on how carefully the actress dresses, the lace edging may or may not be as precisely lined up with the sleeve and neckline edges as you'd want, but the ease of care is more important to me. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 17:49:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFMnWPh011547 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFMmt9J034408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFMmlnv054374; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFMmgE5054203 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.129.6934ae3f (3956) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <129.6934ae3f.30abbfbe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:48:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Absolute must - my Nana spent hours making me a medieval princess dress when I was little, but we didn't get any pics - all I can remember is that it was gorgeous, purple, and had a big pointy henin! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 18:49:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFNn4Dh013056 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFNmejw041857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNmbUK099478; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNmWrN099355 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3C80398; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:48:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.153 ([209.131.80.153] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 15 Nov 05 23:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c5ea3f$35e70920$995083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <251.1147b38.30ab79c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The last time I did this sort of project, after cutting the first 10 leaves, I began to cut the rest free-hand. This made the chore more interesting (as to repeating the shapes from a given piece of felt), The assembly thereafter was Much more interesting. Pick your best flick and enjoy the evening. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 18:50:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFNoUd3013099 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFNo9AE042039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:50:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNo7Em000668; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNnvrJ000487 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A41F03A4; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.153 ([209.131.80.153] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 15 Nov 05 23:49:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5ea3f$6d07e3c0$995083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <251.1147b38.30ab79c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:50:55 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com OH, (from Kathleen)again, given you daughter's age, you may not need all 300!! KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 19:11:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG0B9L2013621 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG0AWA1044441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG0AS72014941; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG0AMnX014806 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-138.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.138]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2005 08:10:15 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <437A7A8A.30003@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:17:14 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <129.6934ae3f.30abbfbe@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <129.6934ae3f.30abbfbe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Well, my male dummy has a regency shirt, waistcoat and a tailcoat and is waiting for a cravat, and the female has a brown taffeta 1830's bodice waiting for a skirt. My other three dummies are standing rather lonely in the shower bay - where I store them to keep them out of the way. Cheers, Aylwen Garden ------------------------------------------ http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 21:59:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG2xARG017902 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:59:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG2wgLn062549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG2wbcJ007335; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG2w3EM007052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG4VmmE022648 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:31:48 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:00:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511152200.01828.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Tuesday 15 November 2005 7:50 am, Marie Stewart wrote: > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> I thought that might be what you meant. Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 22:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG3UftC018575 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:30:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG3UII8065468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG3UFef022567; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG3Tb5c022131 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A79A03B8; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:29:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 16 Nov 05 03:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c5ea5e$1b673060$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <200511152200.01828.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:30:33 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Just made my 3yr old granddaughter her new winter coat and hat from this stuff. Shocking pink, she chose. Too cute!!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > On Tuesday 15 November 2005 7:50 am, Marie Stewart wrote: > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > I thought that might be what you meant. Thanks. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 00:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG5pJAq020589 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:51:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG5ogPg081236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:50:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG5oado095602; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG5oVaf095580 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EcGBj-0002Wd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:50:31 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051115234544.02e2cd80@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:50:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511151914.jAFJDv9u080638@net.indra.com> References: <200511151914.jAFJDv9u080638@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAG5oVaf095580 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holly leaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com That's what I was going to suggest - getting a large 'silk' holly garland and peeling off the leaves. They usually come off very easily. This is how we did the angel wings from one of our painting reproductions (fantasy) - got every bit of silk greenery from the local craft store that had the right shape leaves, and peeled them off. We lucked out - the store had all silk flowers/greens at 50% off that day only. Sandy At 01:14 PM 11/15/2005, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:49:53 EST >From: AnnBWass@aol.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > >>glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: >> >>I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come >>across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know >>what that is in dollars!), > >Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot >cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? > >Ann Wass "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 01:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG6X2MJ021251 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:33:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG6WgrH085680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG6Wd7Q015774; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG6Wa3x015744 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so1554332wxc for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o/Q9wbDrjFdVTum8Jji3k6SM+AukDlJdpxhhlBQN/og1uy0gzo21Wy15ghS8LHhtCAWrdYDvHUsB3GQkLl59LwsgzRJzD4Jp3gR0mh4sLbVTyrclKO3LZNQLuxlX588+4jABufLhS+a8wVQ6GpufeyHPU9TmUAXqAW9HmgiI61Q= Received: by 10.70.54.2 with SMTP id c2mr3662697wxa; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.31.14 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0511152232w6b213cak1910df5830ee611c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <20051115131355.30332.qmail@web42404.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051115131355.30332.qmail@web42404.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAG6X2MJ021251 Jayne, what a great project! I hope you'll link us to a picture once you're finished. I made elf wings a few years ago, about three feet long and two wide. I purchased a bunch of silky maple leaf bushes from JoAnn Fabrics, stripped them from the branches and hot-glued them to to wings. I have also purchased silky holly branches to use for a different project. Michael's also carries these silky bushes. Best wishes on your project! LynnD On 11/15/05, Jayne Thomas wrote: > > Hi! Ann > > I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come > across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know > what that is in dollars!), and I have to budget for gift shopping for Santa > (I'm one of his elves in disguise!! lol), so the DIY option was the > cheapest. Hubby has promised to cut some out though! Better find that extra > pair of scissors....! > > All the best > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 04:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG95V1j018886 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:05:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG94qMx001862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG94lwi085495; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:04:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG94hq4085435 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jAG94ae29587.; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:04:36 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:04:36 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:04:19 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAG94hq4085435 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> ruthanneb@mindspring.com 15/11/2005 20:28 >>> wrote: >I always edge the chemise in lace rather than sewing the lace to the dress, because the chemise is much easier >to launder. With the actresses in make-up, the lace gets soiled easily but the dress usually stays pretty clean, >and if the actress perspires this also affects the chemise much more than the costume, so washing the chemise >keeps the whole costume looking clean and smelling fresh. ...which of course is exactly how it worked in period. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 06:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGBOaii015320 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:24:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGBO2QE029770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGBNudr044950; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGBNqUc044922 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24712.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.18]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A3F4262814 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:23:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5eaa0$429c1780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:24:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, in case some of you dont know, there is a 4 hour long Marie Antoinette movie on TCM right now! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 07:33:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGCX1hV001526 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:33:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGCWcFJ034192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGCWZoJ072237; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGCWUoV072208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-191-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.191]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAGCWS80030649 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:32:29 +1100 Message-ID: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:32:25 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com hello to the list, I know we discussed this pattern when it first came out, but I was wondering if anybody has actually looked at it and worked out if it's designed to be worn over the corset (the pictures on the website aren't clear)? If the bodice is cut to be worn over a cone shaped foundation it could be really useful as a base for several time periods. Whilst the skirt may not be to everyone's taste a bodice that's already got the period silhouette right without needing to get rid of the curved princess seams could be a valuable pattern to have, and certainly a much better starting point for beginners than the ones designed to be worn over a bra. Obviously the back seams are in the wrong place for all the periods I can think of but it's still a better starting point than any of the other big 3 patterns. I ask because I was thinking of teaching a class on removing princess seams so people can create an Elizabethan bodice from a commercial pattern, but if this one is already in the right shape I'd probably recommend it as a bodice pattern. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 08:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGD6edG006811 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:06:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGD6K3U036138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGD6JHk085634; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGD6CQS085548 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6786 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 13:06:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051116125847.01d08150@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:06:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000801c5eaa0$429c1780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000801c5eaa0$429c1780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Braces, yet again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I just retrieved an old copy of "Costume 4" (the journal of the U.K. Costume Society) and there is an article on Old Deerfield, by Adele Jay-Filene. Among the black and white plates is a photograph of "Suspenders" - these are the same as English braces are they not? The article states (written in 1970) "The costumes in the collection are virtually limited to the eighteenth century and consist of men's and women's suits and dresses, children's suits and dresses, church vestments, accessories such as men's embroidered night caps, undergarments, shoes, stockings, purses, pockets, garters and suspenders. (my italics.) Perhaps someone could contact the curator and find out more? It's a bit pricey to phone from my side of the pond! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 10:30:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGFUD5R014031 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGFSsKV049603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFSdCB069881; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFSYOL069752 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005111615282901400nqoe6e>; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:28:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:28:31 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the "Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, too. Has anybody played with these toys? The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info would be appreciated. Thanks! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 10:45:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGFjuul014288 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:45:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGFjZYE051656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:45:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFjXEh082908; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFjTt1082765 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B40BE879 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:45:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:45:26 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051116154523.B2B40BE879@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I never used one myself but saw someone using it. It is very easy to make rope with it. For small cords I use a hair twister the braid X-press. Like this one http://www.bodydeco.co.uk/acatalog/Hair_Briading.html. Bought it secondhand for 1 Euro. For two to four strands. Greetings, Deredere Lauren Walker wrote: >Hi, >Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the >"Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is >supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? > >I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to >decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell >that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, >too. Has anybody played with these toys? > >The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether >they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info >would be appreciated. > >Thanks! >Lauren > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 11:39:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGGdp8C015064 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:39:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGGd64l059458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGcxRg026366; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGcnM5026154 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:38:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:38:36 -0800 Message-ID: <437B60FB.2030606@msn.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:40:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atenveldt , Aten Arts , "h-costume@indra.com" , TheRenaissanceTailor , Crofters@yahoogroups.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 16:38:36.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[30CBFCB0:01C5EACC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum-Suitable Gown for her Majesty-Dec-15th, 7:00 pm X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi all, sorry for the cross posts. Thought some of you might be interested in this: We will be presenting the "Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" again at the Phoenix Art Museum in conjunction with the exhibit Lingerie: Secrets of Elegance on Thursday, December 15th at 7:00 pm. So for those of you who missed it last year, here is another chance! I will be presenting a short slide show of costumes which includes a color slide of a rarely seen portrait by Frederigo Zuccero. (This portrait appears in Max Von Boehn's _Modes and Manners_ and was formerly thought to be a picture of Mary Stuart.) It is particularly interesting for it's huge mahoitered sleeves. *_Thursday nights at the museum are free!_* So you can see the whole museum and the presentation for the price of gas! Hope to see you then, Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 11:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGGgRV4015091 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:42:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGGfvqY059853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGfu3i028762; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGfpWQ028659 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96493FB7C; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.437a9487.6fb; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5De2FOCF39yQIAAAAF,277ae372e9ac17f52690954ff179e11d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List , TheCostumersManifesto , Authentic SCA , Reconstructing History , The Renaissance Tailor X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051116084150.96D4AD3B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anyone dealt with this company? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello, All, Please forgive if you receive more than one of these messages - I've posted it to all the re-enactment/costuming e-groups I'm on, even ones where this is OOP, as I know that people often do more than era in their re-enacting/costuming. Has anyone had any dealings with Coon River Mercantile? http://www.coonriver.com/ I have tried to contact them via email a couple of times because I have a query about one of their specials, and have received no response whatsoever. I have been told that they are good to deal with, by one of our friends who knows other people who have bought stuff from them, but I am starting to wonder. My next avenue of action will be either waiting up until the wee small hours , or getting up very early, to make an international phone call to them. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joannah ( who is really quite looking forward to her husband re-enacting a period for which he can BUY accurate clothing! ) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 12:35:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGHZWZM015879 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGHYs3S067374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGHYmwv071366; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGrKO1038021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-180.sonic.net [209.148.113.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGrIvQ031143 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:53:19 -0800 Message-ID: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:53:21 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Is there an illustrated print catalog for the lingerie exhibit? Thanks, Fran > in conjunction with the exhibit Lingerie: Secrets of Elegance > on Thursday, December > 15th at 7:00 pm. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 14:10:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGJAFds017185 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGJ6U04079518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGHJVwn059947; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42409.mail.yahoo.com (web42409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGD0XF9082980 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:00:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6679 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 13:00:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pY6hY0pwqgACxrbRyNTdLDiXSK8m6xPit2Fbe2EBK8x4EPsZqv5Z77gt+2kUcQCDFdAk3AWYe/hW60YAZFgy9SEjSj9I223I3UD+Ak/u7YgkqrxQxmOG0sRwum4yyIQew2AkXEspUmziS9xG+0UU/yWWBdKqs7BtM0mmu3yh8fA= ; Message-ID: <20051116130027.6677.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.65] by web42409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:00:27 PST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holly Leaves (was What's Your Dressmaker's Dummy wearing?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi! Hubby and I cut out the holly leaves last night, wasn't too bad while listening to our favourite CD's (Hubby got the bottles of beer I promised him for helping me!). When I am doing anything like this, I do more than I need, to allow for mistakes - I've spotted a few strange looking holly leaves in the pile! I looked at the holly-leaf based Christmas decorations, and they all looked a bit non-holly leaf. Such a perfectionist!! Just got to sew them on, which I don't mind! If the photos of my daughter in her costumes come out well (I have some beautiful ones of her in her Tudor costume), I get them enlarged and framed, and give them as gifts to her Grandparents, Aunties and Uncles, and other relatives, which they all love! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGK55vR018258 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:05:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGK3u4i086672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGK3n43090816; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGK3gMI090564 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:03:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16965 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 20:03:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FaeQaXtJshK55tFaHkHI52ez0rar0bsIxJ2TAyoyIDZy+ATZubDFdstOjLKtCINqmZU0g0Rwapyx53OTgZd/KA3Ox7qLdvYwd3/Ohg+Ie6anv8CwzMxFnP7xKJ3QnZ33VSbn68Tv1vFg2JR6PY5AyqlgZpZqMciTglC52S+6wxw= ; Message-ID: <20051116200318.16963.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:03:18 PST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511161900.jAGJ0B6Z040778@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Coon River X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What are you wanting to buy from Coon River, and what is the level of authenticity you want? If Coon River doesn't come across for you I might be able to make some other suggestions of people who would love to deal with you. Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKHdL8018527 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKC5M9087634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKC0Jl097000; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGIp9t0033495 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: <437B8007.3030701@msn.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:52:55 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum References: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 18:51:03.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[B17C4D80:01C5EADE] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'll ask.... Lavolta Press wrote: > Is there an illustrated print catalog for the lingerie exhibit? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:19:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKJDwa018569 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKIljL088561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKIfs3002663; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGKIVGw002439 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92814 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 20:18:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q0RdW1Y0taBm9t++lEyT6OP0njGZ4GEt1c+ykSdHlLZGNTVzVMwoPZ60Cii1VHVb6HMRla3eluHoYsb40MOp46fhHf93Dy0NQbexC0HHyAfX2/GemNNtFxoZHDiOQskrOFzET9J98FaEBI3orIMXroIRKJRi0qSud8SWeR/lTJs= ; Message-ID: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:18:24 PST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511161900.jAGJ0B6Z040778@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays pattern because is WAS correct in shape. If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without a pattern is a petticoat!!) Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in Australia??. 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:24:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKOJH3018725 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:24:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKO0OV089084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKNvH5006581; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKNZBK006384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-131.sonic.net [209.148.113.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKNUcg026285 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:23:30 -0800 Message-ID: <437B9546.4010208@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:23:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum References: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks! Fran WickedFrau wrote: > I'll ask.... > > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Is there an illustrated print catalog for the lingerie exhibit? > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:56:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKuBbV019264 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:56:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKtprH093379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKtlQB032349; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKtZNC032112 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.100.2119a7bd (24895) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <100.2119a7bd.30acf6ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:55:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/16/2005 3:19:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in Australia??. That's right--she is doing research now, even as we speak. She will start from the inside out, and has been looking at all the stays she can get her hands on. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 16:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGLqcPf020291 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGLpgDD000253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGLpZco079099; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGLpSaI078976 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02281 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:51:27 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:51:24 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Martha McCain 18th century patterns for Simplicity Thread-Index: AcXq8NHEWEPuQUHST/6zxNdw+pw17QABFntA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAGLpSaI078976 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Martha McCain 18th century patterns for Simplicity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yes, I'm looking forward to authentic 18th century patterns from Simplicity, hopefully next year. Not only should reinactors welcome them, but Sophia Coppola's film based on Antonia Fraser's biog of Marie Antoinette is coming out sometime later next year, which should spark an interest in late 18th costume. Lovers of Japanese costume should at least have a look at the Newmarket book, "Memoirs of a Geisha: Images of the Film" Of course, as in all Hollywood films, the extras have more authentic costumes, makeup and hairstyles, than the leads, but there is explanation why the lead actresses often are costumed less accurately than extras. For this film, it was not only because the leads have to stand out, the film and book relates Sayuri's memoiries, especially as a child, of the glamorous geisha Matsumomo. The Tonner Doll Company is doing a doll, a 16" tall Spring Dance Sayuri(a likeness of the movie character, not the actress playing Sayuri)in a stunning costume, copying the original from the movie. No release date yet for this doll, which is the first based on the movie. The full Memoirs of a Geisha doll line by Tonner will premier in Jan 2006, along with the full Harry Potter doll line, including Ron and Hermione and extra costumes and accessories. The 17" tall Harry Potter doll in Hogwarts uniform is supposed to ship next month; FAO Schwarzt will have an exclusive version of this HP doll with Hedwig the owl retailing for $150. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 18:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGNvFp1022342 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGNudbA017044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNuT5q073431; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNuOJ0073358 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp76.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.76]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAGNtq8H000533 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20051116184713.00c86f00@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: david webb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I wondered if others might find this interesting: http://www.mda.org.uk/costume/vbt00e.htm Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume, ICOM International Committee for the Museums and Collections of Costume It's broken down by men's and women's clothing, etc. and includes basic line drawings. A bit basic, but if your mind goes blank trying to think of a clothing term, it could be useful sometime. Sheridan Alder _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 18:57:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGNvPRC022354 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:57:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGNv3rX017077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNv0Ix073790; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNuuMG073744 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.42.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.42] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EcX95-0006xZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:55 -0500 Message-ID: <437BC686.1010501@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:53:42 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Marie Stewart wrote: > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > misremembered the date. > > Portrait of Young Woman > Artist: Hans Holbein > 1517 That's a nice one! I don't believe I've seen that before. Thanks for sharing! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 20:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH1H4C6024053 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH1GZXk023783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1GUUC018181; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1GRAd018157 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so47709wra for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J+ofTbwuFDoXXJLO+3ASRsC3cBsqiUX8ld2LSsr64jfHN34axsjE1zktHUs+ICrOSF9erEl6uwL/hH8yncqpdKtP22+V7GnVQTB1OCGIHRf2wslR5CoRNHMMm/7AKkY7Rd/U0d4k6pByDfhYCelufp+KZdru3/1fNgWoHymLNGU= Received: by 10.64.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr6611688qbd; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:16:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511161716w17a5f61cobe272502ec795c2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:16:24 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAH1GRAd018157 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holbein - before England portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's quickly become a favorite of mine. :> I have the coat... over gown... whatever - someone have a correct name for it? Next on the list... after the Lace Commission... is to make myself that Hemd. Hemd=Chemise - if I have that right. I just love that white worked collar. Then it's the apron. This one portrait just has so many interesting bits and items. Mari / Bridgette... like I don't already have enough to do. On 11/16/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Marie Stewart wrote: > > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > > misremembered the date. > > > > Portrait of Young Woman > > Artist: Hans Holbein > > 1517 > > That's a nice one! I don't believe I've seen that before. > > Thanks for sharing! > Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 20:57:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH1v9Wr024707 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH1ukaD026977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1ucKm037431; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1uRmk037288 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051117015617.CNRD13239.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:17 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.166.24]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051117015616.VWNI14324.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:16 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.3/173]); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:20 +1300 Message-ID: <00f201c5eb1a$1af33270$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511161716w17a5f61cobe272502ec795c2a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein - before England portrait Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:18 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > It's quickly become a favorite of mine. :> > I have the coat... over gown... whatever - someone have a correct name for it? > Next on the list... after the Lace Commission... is to make myself that Hemd. > Hemd=Chemise - if I have that right. I just love that white worked collar. > Then it's the apron. > This one portrait just has so many interesting bits and items. I always felt so:) What I also found interesting was the lacing going through the dress rather than lacing rings. I've thought about it on and off and just what it is made of etc. I do suspect that is a long partlet she is wearing. Or two hemden maybe for more warmth? I have some examples of partlets being worn over dresses. There is possibly another warm layer between the two? It kind of defeats the purpose of a very warm dress to wear a thin layer of linen just where one wants a lot of warmth;) I know when I wear my linen kirtle under my wool burgundian: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/burgundian.htm I get chilly even with three layers of linen there;) Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 22:44:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH3iICG026028 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:44:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH3hiTd036850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:43:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH3haNZ091427; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH3hXEt091384 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409A551D48 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051116191941.036dfee8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:20:59 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <20051111162233.80516.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511111435.jABEZQbr052655@net.indra.com> <20051111162233.80516.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 08:22 AM 11/11/2005, you wrote: >I also have a metalsmith interested in reproducing the >buckle and roses for me in brass. If we can pull up >enough dimensional detail for it so that the repro is >faithful to the original, he may just put it into >production in his collection. That would be cool. > >Kathy Oooh, if so, please let us know who that metalsmith is. My husband needs a garter of that order for his Elizabethan character (George Clifford, Earl of Cumberland). And thanks for sharing. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 23:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH4IX1X026618 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:18:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH4I2iq039490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH4I0Kl007421; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH4HuKX007371 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C2951C13 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051116201720.03659930@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:17:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) In-Reply-To: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 03:55 AM 11/12/2005, you wrote: >So can anybody answer my basic question, is there any evidence for the use >of a herringbone weave in the 16th century, with a simple yes (there are >extant pieces of herringbone weave fabric from the 16th century) or no >(there is no evidence for herringbone weave for X many years either side >of the 16th century) >thanks >Elizabeth Hi Elizabeth, Did you ever get an answer on this question? I was curious as well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 00:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH5K3n0027748 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH5JXJj044401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH5JSti036073; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH5JO7C036043 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m30.in-tch.com [216.166.191.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAH5Bxk02532 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:12:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001d01c5eb37$66cd8200$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.1.2.0.20051116201720.03659930@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:26:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I didn't see anything about it come across the list. I know that twills were distinctly used (I've seen them in person), but not the herringbone, and haven't had the time to go through my books that have extant bits in them to double check. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) > At 03:55 AM 11/12/2005, you wrote: > >So can anybody answer my basic question, is there any evidence for the use > >of a herringbone weave in the 16th century, with a simple yes (there are > >extant pieces of herringbone weave fabric from the 16th century) or no > >(there is no evidence for herringbone weave for X many years either side > >of the 16th century) > >thanks > >Elizabeth > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Did you ever get an answer on this question? I was curious as well. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 04:56:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH9uvar001101 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH9u4Sr062835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9ttXa047220; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9tqfR047194 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.239]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 24E63262866 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c5eb5d$1392f090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Elizabeth, I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. But why dont you do like this: It requires that you have the patterns books off cause, a computer and a drawingprogram like for instance Corel Draw. You can scan in the pattern you want, open it in your drawing program. Meassure a point of yourself where you want the pattern to be the same meassure. Take for instance your bodice side meassure. Find the bodice side meassure in the book. You then have that your own bodice side is, say (30cm.) The meassure of the pattern side bodice is ( 2,8cm) Now you devide 30 with 2,8 cm wich is 10,714 This means that you have to enlarge your pattern 1071,4 % In the drawing programme there is a tab where you can resamble your pattern. Place in 1071,4 % and it will enlarge your pattern in the meassures you want. My drawing program also can print out the whole pattern in A4 papers. It can tile the big picture and print out all the pattern parts. This gives you an excakt print of the book pattern. I often use this method when i make new corsets. You have to work on this original pattern to fit your own body off cause, but that you also have to do with finished cut out patterns. I know that the skirts are huge to print out, but you could use it to get the right bodice construktion. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? > hello to the list, I know we discussed this pattern when it first came > out, but I was wondering if anybody has actually looked at it and worked > out if it's designed to be worn over the corset (the pictures on the > website aren't clear)? If the bodice is cut to be worn over a cone shaped > foundation it could be really useful as a base for several time periods. > Whilst the skirt may not be to everyone's taste a bodice that's already > got the period silhouette right without needing to get rid of the curved > princess seams could be a valuable pattern to have, and certainly a much > better starting point for beginners than the ones designed to be worn over > a bra. Obviously the back seams are in the wrong place for all the periods > I can think of but it's still a better starting point than any of the > other big 3 patterns. > I ask because I was thinking of teaching a class on removing princess > seams so people can create an Elizabethan bodice from a commercial > pattern, but if this one is already in the right shape I'd probably > recommend it as a bodice pattern. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 04:58:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH9w3A0001501 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:58:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH9vouL062924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9vnQB047863; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9viDw047821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-227-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.227]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAH9vgLP002813 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:57:43 +1100 Message-ID: <001401c5eb5d$587dea20$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:57:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C >I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th >Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh >it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my >direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays >pattern because is WAS correct in shape. > > If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you > would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do > better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, > but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without > a pattern is a petticoat!!) I have actualy sized up a pattern from Patterns of Fashion 1, the Polonaise with the back cut en fourreau (I've probably misspelt that but I don't have the book with me to check) for myself (though I did make the mistake of making the shoulders wider when I enlarged it to my measurements) but it took me a few years to work up the courage to do that. I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on sale at the moment I thought this might be a good option. > Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern > companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was > thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might > solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in > Australia??. > > 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. > I could wait until Martha McCain does her 18th century patterns but I hoped to do this for any new members we get from the recruitment drive at the beginning of next semester (around the end of Febuary as we're about to go on Summer hollidays here). I thought that if this Butterick pattern already has a cone shaped bodice it's easier to alter that than one designed to be worn over a bra (no eliminating a curve, just eliminating one straight seam) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 05:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHA5QiL003075 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHA4rPK063675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHA4qJ1050756; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHA4lGI050719 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.239]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CAA047FE75 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003f01c5eb5e$5de79b40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello Mia and others Now when i am working on an 18th century sack dress i would not mind to draw some patterns of this dress. I also have the corset pattern and the pannier. But i made this dress for a tall lady who also has a tall body, but if someone was interrested, i would not mind to draw a paper pattern to you of this. But as i think perhaps more than one would like this, i would like to have a favour in return. I should like if you baught some Eterna Stranded silk floss for me in stead and have the company send for me. I dont know how much such a pattern would be worth, but it would take about an hour or so to make each paper pattern. Let me know if someone was interrested, and please email me privately........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C >I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th >Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh >it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my >direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays >pattern because is WAS correct in shape. > > If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you > would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do > better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, > but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without > a pattern is a petticoat!!) > > Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern > companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was > thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might > solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in > Australia??. > > 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 06:37:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHBbVdf022070 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHBahe3078239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBadmw085335; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBaacX085302 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.239]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C0F826286F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:36:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:36:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] chemise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures of the stays starts. I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.......... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 06:45:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHBjG61025205 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHBhWJl079880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBhVIZ088050; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBhPc1088012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-227-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.227]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAHBhMwr011639 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:43:24 +1100 Message-ID: <006801c5eb6c$1be44ff0$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> <002601c5eb5d$1392f090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:43:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? > Hi Elizabeth, > I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. > But why dont you do like this: Bjarne, Thanks for the advice, but I was not planning to use this pattern for myself. It's for a class I was planning to teach for new costumers. I'm in the SCA (a medieval and renaissance group) I was going to try to teach some newcomers that there is a middle ground between drafting your own patterns (or buying expensive patterns from a small pattern company) and using a major commercial pattern as it is (which produces the wrong shape). I thought some of them might appreciate something other than the basic tunic that SCA people usually teach newcomers to make (e.g. http://www.sca.org.au/politarchopolis/library/tunic.php or the more period way http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html which is becoming more popular all the time) My original plan was to base this class on how to turn Simplicity's version of the costumes from the Movie "Shakespeare in Love" (I've even written a webpage on it http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html) into a more accurate 16th century gown. Then it occoured to me that if I used a pattern with the right basic shape I wouldn't have to modify the bodice as much (though it would obviously still need some changes), given that Butterick has also released an 18th cenutry stays pattern I thought that this bodice might be designed to be worn over those stays instead of modern underwear like all the other major commercial patterns. I will hang onto your advice, for enlarging using drawing software, but I don't have a scanner so for now I'm going to have to do it by hand (I've done it successfully for one polonaise gown from Patterns of Fashion1 and one 1850s corset from Corsets and Crinolines). Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 07:19:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHCJO2W032736 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHCIrcB088823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHCIpra002729; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52215.mail.yahoo.com (web52215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHCImHs002681 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 13743 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 12:18:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T4i0IA9KGUKFd6x+1ACaFtpQnSj5VmUR68gnvp5gInbEFNlW8BRlnDyuvBzaGpdRPqKlW0fLIPxxUq78TBN1GJjDf1OkibhtkxNNngURVCwmpan40Bg3xAB8eFu8IW2UQwb9fQQvrX1e3QQBhisyPZ7wCCUGnNxTOT3QLAT1jLc= ; Message-ID: <20051117121843.13741.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:18:43 EST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I believe the cheaper of the two was used to make favors for our shire. One of the members made several more for the ladies to use at 1/2 the cost. Mostly what they were used for was making cording for jewelery. Brin Kendall Lauren Walker wrote: Hi, Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the "Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, too. Has anybody played with these toys? The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info would be appreciated. Thanks! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 09:31:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHEV7lW002612 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHEUMKB099272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:30:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHETvBM063016; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHETsap062948 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4740 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 14:29:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Dm7oQ8zEYzgROJMRm2HRNFpu6VzFK+/7X6KlFkYC2VPzIKudbqEJQi6t5JN1IoDEs/9L9qs533JwfMjSBNw4uiOA0dRyerjF/4SnpMyHft6bjDx6wvzBKEkh+5+UIoQF1UHfp5qiDVLon9lLSH8RSoFNIuiFKMuV8YSEZDVgplY= ; Message-ID: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:29:48 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511171005.jAHA4srR050767@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I just looked at my cut out pattern for the butterick stays, the very next project (well maybe, or maybe a new 18c fancy pants waistcoat for my husbands birthday, and finish my...) The shape of these stays is not the classic ice cream cone shape of the middle 18c years (ala J.P. Ryan's patterns) It is more of the ...latter years shape kind of like that champagne saucer glass, smaller waist, bigger bosom, but more flaired. Pardon my description, I know it's not very good. And what's on my dress form? My dress form is a hanger on the wall too, and it's holding the under lining for a 1760-70s shot silk taffeta Brunswick gown, sort of like the one shown in one of the Dress in 18th Cent.Books by Ribiero?/Buck? (I don't have the citation) It's the one of Lady Mary Fox, later Baroness Holland (ca. 1767), with darling red and white stripped ribbons on her elbows, a really fetching cap with lace and more of the little red and white stripped ribbbons, and she's carrying a little dog. I have the lining done, I have it silk cut out. Now to find the time. I have too much invested in the material for it to become a passed over project. 18c Mia in CHarlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:26:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFQSu4003425 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFP8hC005098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFP6Aj096886; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFP1vE096758 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21c.3092172 (4340) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <21c.3092172.30adfac6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:24:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:58:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on sale at the moment I thought this might be a good option. **************************** I use commercial "fitting shells" all the time to get shoulder slopes and neck curves and stuff like that. There's no need to start with a "costume" pattern. Start with what we use to draft up in school from measurements... a "sloper". But why draft it up when all the major pattern companies have done it for you...or the "fitting shell". [they usually have 1960s darting to fit the front...y'know, a dart under the bust and one on the side.] As far princess line patterns... an 18th century open robe with a stomacher shouldn't be too hard to tweak from one. But forget the costume pattern and start with the simplest princess line dress you can. And remember, tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but it's important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if things are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! {and of course an 18th century bodice isn't ever gonna fit right w/out the corset under it.] Boy is that Butterick pattern a laugh riot! Yuk! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFX32Y003518 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFWRU2005931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFWIIU002360; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFWEhb002256 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.e93f87b (4340) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.e93f87b.30adfc70@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:32:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:25:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: And remember, tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but it's important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if things are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! ***************** That should read: A garment still has to be fitted so if things are NOT just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! Nothing like saying the exact opposite of what you mean! :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:49:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFnVZu003735 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFn2GP008179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFn1iX014056; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFmupw014018 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2473f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.63]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF7C026282B for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:48:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:48:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anne Buck X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi I remember i had this book of Anne Buck. Is this the book thar has a large colour photo of a yellow francaise dress with lots of gathered decorations on it? I think it has silver edged to the fabric trim. I really mis that book, and wondered is it still available today. Once many years ago when i couldnt find a job with my costuming, i got so mad that i sold all my costume books. I have collected back most of them, but this is one of those i never got again. What a mad thing to do, but i did! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFo5Mh003738 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFnisa008268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFngPp014507; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFnb78014399 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F043A1F8 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:49:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437CA68F.7020804@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:49:35 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C References: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001401c5eb5d$587dea20$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001401c5eb5d$587dea20$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed > at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA > group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial > pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th > century bodice without princess seams I would suggest Butterick 3071 or 6196 then. I've adapted both of those. Or 4154, which has a sleeve. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 11:04:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHG4HWN003921 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHG2dft010676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHG2aWI024643; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHG2WGB024575 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2473f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.63]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DE8347FE2B for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 12:28:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHHSeCV005151 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHHS0Jj022028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:28:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHHRurO094658; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHHRqMp094569 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289F1319C1E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:27:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:27:50 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays References: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051117172747.289F1319C1E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I made the stay's and find them comfortable. I changed the angle of the front straps and the placing of the boning. The boning is plastic. You can see pictures of it here, http://mystictimes.nl/Verkoop/Verkoop.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 15:18:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHKIKAw007700 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:18:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHKHdqM046972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHKHPWn036036; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHKHF0P035857 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9164 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 20:17:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CIo5lOcSfeyTA41pO/7JT2jOz7Cs+jpnlWHv7sg/et19hSs9w6jEKc7oSX2yHBL+bJfzBOoCTPRawW1AMrFs2S28EtGeQlQZcffrHAS2sG4xxpYUZb26KdM/08Hl0hZQ5hCuxmbJ2fizPI6dUo0qTQTdiVNa4rW5xpqBVoldZBA= ; Message-ID: <20051117201710.9162.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:17:10 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511171901.jAHJ0ZSW072545@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Eterna Silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne, Did you see that contest that they're running? The money prizez are not that spectacular, but They are giving winners large collections of their silk thread. And ANY of your things are as good, if not better that the things that won prizes. Your work snow off thier product very nicely Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL2iXf008453 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL2CHV053331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL29Hn071793; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHGDst0033848 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56150 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 16:13:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=521JrV0jRskA/f6rWBHeZP1XZLR+C/k05Vx4AytcGdjYwOhoCwMBkO+2A5l38PdiEIbgfePF/PsOWf2Lmn//koZQDjCaUrfU9lDSRceOM7sKVC+TGllZlfKO+9vZ/0rSnkD1tptULxGX4tADSe9FDqC02/s5TevH7ernDYZEwSI= ; Message-ID: <20051117161347.56148.qmail@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:13:46 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Probably... Meant to send this out a couple of days ago as a reference for us new folk :) http://tinyurl.com/7l65z It's a list of books that I felt most people would like to have as a reference guide. Good luck Bjarne and I hope you come accross a copy of Ann's book soon. Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL5SGq008497 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:05:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL57kd053738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL53pj074140; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHGQigx044137 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FFB3CE8E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:26:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437CAF39.3070809@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:26:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck References: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the > prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 > pounds. Is this because they are used books? You're talking about "Dress in Eighteenth Century England" ? Amazon.com (US site) has it for $39, which should be a lot less than 32 Euro. It looks very much out of print, so yes, those would be used copies, although it looks like some are more used than others. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:06:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL5x12008504 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL5Rn4053797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL5Q0x074462; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHGXhqN049977 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 27635 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 08:32:54 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 27611, pid: 27612, t: 2.3460s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 08:32:51 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051117082712.030c8070@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:33:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck In-Reply-To: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 08:02 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of >the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another >price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? > >Bjarne Are you are looking for "Dress in Eighteenth Century England"? The most expensive copy listed on Amazon (USA) is $50 USD; the least expensive is $39.52. I don't know what the shipping cost would be, but it should not be too high. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/offer-listing/0841905177/ref=dp_olp_2//103-8085395-7349433?condition=all Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:06:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL69je008508 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:06:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL5Zji053829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL5ZvM074552; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHGZgoF051474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.4-07) with SMTP id 161bc734.1165376432.77669.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) Thread-Index: AcXrXoWgGq12STBqTxiaLhQybJU7bgANe2uA From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 16:35:33.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE1AFB40:01C5EB94] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=50% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAHGZgoF051474 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne wrote: I should like if you baught some Eterna Stranded silk floss for me in stead and have the company send for me. ********************************************** And I, being curious, checked out their website: http://www.eternasilk.com/ WOW! Be sure to check out the designer showcase, it's way cool! Kate McClure Who really doesn't need more floss, but that's never stopped me before . . . ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:09:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL9rrH008638 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL4Yk2053589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL4Dbn073454; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHGETk9034407 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin04-en2 [10.13.10.149]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id jAHGESt0020058 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from UROPORTABLE (dhcp073132.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id jAHGERSG001196 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004e01c5eb91$fc5596a0$84496b8c@UROPORTABLE> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: References: <200511171005.jAHA4srR050767@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:14:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com this was an interesting site but very Anglo-centric. Some American museum curator needs to chime in with the American terms for many of those items. For instance: the British term "braces" for men's suspenders was there and the British term "Suspender belt" was there for a woman's garter belt. Both things that most Americans would need a translator for (and who knows what English as a Second Language speakers would need). Anyone with good language skills and time on their hands could probably give them some input for American costume vocabulary. 6. FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume > (david webb) -------------------------- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:47 -0500 > From: david webb > Subject: [h-cost] FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing > Costume > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <4.3.0.20051116184713.00c86f00@pop.vaxxine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I wondered if others might find this interesting: > > http://www.mda.org.uk/costume/vbt00e.htm > > Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume, ICOM International > Committee for the Museums and Collections of Costume > > It's broken down by men's and women's clothing, etc. and includes basic > line drawings. A bit basic, but if your mind goes blank trying to think of > a clothing term, it could be useful sometime. > > Sheridan Alder > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 17:53:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHMrZSc010516 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHMqn4R068843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHMptFZ059214; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHMpnIA059144 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SCLARK935@AUSTIN.RR.COM) Received: from hewlettt06rp0e (cpe-66-68-106-63.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.106.63]) by ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jAHMpjB2004812 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:51:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00b301c5ebc9$a618bc80$3f6a4442@hewlettt06rp0e> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:52:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com As always, just incredible! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] chemise > Hi, > Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the > neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. > Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures > of the stays starts. > I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I > scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the > zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be > attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.......... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 18:56:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHNuwLt011410 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHNuJgM076730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHNuDlw005603; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHNu8lr005496 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:56:02 -0800 Message-ID: <437D1906.7070803@msn.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:57:58 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000003080107090102090003" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 23:56:02.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[7756BD80:01C5EBD2] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000003080107090102090003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum to see if I can find out anything more. Sg --------------000003080107090102090003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------000003080107090102090003-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 19:09:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI09Rnl011601 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI08rhZ077954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI08pAm013795; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI08ine013644 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:08:38 -0800 Message-ID: <437D1BFA.60908@msn.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:10:34 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 00:08:38.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[39EA2ED0:01C5EBD4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Duh....I guess I should remember the email list doesn't accept attachments. It looks like I will have to write the Manchester museum via snail mail....they don't accept email inquiries. Sg WickedFrau wrote: > There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum > to see if I can find out anything more. > > Sg > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Laraine Ansley wrote: > > > Hi there, The museum is: The Gallery of English Costume, Platt Fields, Manchester. It is open to the public but you may have to ring first as Manchester have reduced some opening times and you need to check. Information about the gallery should be accessible via the Manchester Art Galleries website. If you have problems getting in touch, come back to me and I'll find you other info. We saw some photos of the bodice at our meeting in Settle but we do not have the copyright on the pictures so have nothing on our website yet. It is a very attractive piece and quite unique. We ought to be able to do something about pictures once the conservation has been done, I think. */"Saragrace T. Knauf" /* wrote: Hello, I was reading on your website about this bodice: http://www.nsct.fsnet.co.uk/20050924.html Can you tell me what museum in Manchester has this bodice? There are a number of folks on a historic costume email list who have just heard about it and would love to see some photos. Any information on where it will be exhibited would also be appreciated. Thanks, Saragrace Knauf Best wishes, Rae _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 19:21:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI0LXsL011757 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI0LD4U079528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI0LA97021488; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI0L6l7021426 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fd.d88f955 (4426) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1fd.d88f955.30ae7868@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:20:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com One of the ones on my wish list - and that I use at the local library till I get it! Amazon UK has two - priced at 32 (gbp*) and 70+ (gbp*) Paul Meekins the bookseller has a copy listed at 55 (gbp) Is very out of print, being from around 25 years ago. Price probably depends on condition, and whether the seller knows what it's worth or not. Ebay's worth keeping an eye on, too, alhtough it doesn't have a copy right now. Debs PS sorry about the 'gbp' thing - US configured keyboard won't do pound sign > :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 20:47:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI1lrDP013402 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:47:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI1lS6N087381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI1lMjQ067244; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI1lI4n067183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI3LDa7015322 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:21:14 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:49:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511172049.26543.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Thursday 17 November 2005 9:29 am, Mia Dappert wrote: [snip] > And what's on my dress form? My dress form is a hanger on the wall too, > and it's holding the under lining for a 1760-70s shot silk taffeta > Brunswick gown, sort of like the one shown in one of the Dress in 18th > Cent.Books by Ribiero?/Buck? (I don't have the citation) It's the one of > Lady Mary Fox, later Baroness Holland (ca. 1767), with darling red and > white stripped ribbons on her elbows, a really fetching cap with lace and > more of the little red and white stripped ribbbons, and she's carrying a > little dog. I have the lining done, I have it silk cut out. Now to find > the time. I have too much invested in the material for it to become a > passed over project. Sounds charming! I hope to see a picture of it sometime. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:07:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI77BpZ020118 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI76fSx013048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI76bRg005577; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI76Xmp005550 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D6B1161A for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:06:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051117195217.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:53:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bu p> References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 08:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >And I, being curious, checked out their website: >http://www.eternasilk.com/ > >WOW! Of course, the closest dealer is 2+ hours from me. Why this city isn't considered big enough for nice companies, I don't know. We are just getting a Pottery Barn, for goodness sake. Kimiko Feeling grumpy about having to always buy things online if I want nice stuff to play with. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI7MeDc023879 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI7MOw1013940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7MKOp010913; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAI7MIc0010869 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 88780 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 07:22:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PPq5K6MV9KS/XcV1P7Cva0LKQb+3OohvdNM5ySPexrEn/9R99CNQ40HcKyTLpVt1N/y7/0IT9eM9f6PjdoI04hvYbcNRAF7Kft+vBTA3+mmJWJXY3apvgAWyJxb7mW3zBWKm4msNGpPHmFfsivVSUDBz6VnyaR+T+erBXJXXoQY= ; Message-ID: <20051118072212.88778.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:22:12 EST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511171004.jAHA4srP050767@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kimiko, I am working with Raymond's Quiet Press on this one. When I get the condition report and obverse photo from Anglesey House, he'll be better able to decide if he wishes to pursue making it. I on the other hand am working on getting the book this item is featured in, hopefully it has some dimensional information in it. Hopefully they have already sent me the file photo they promised. Once I have enough source material I can draw out a full scale cartoon of the embroidery. I can forward that over to you once I have finished with it, along with yardage requirements. Busy, busy busy... :-) Kathy > Oooh, if so, please let us know who that metalsmith > is. My husband needs a > garter of that order for his Elizabethan character > (George Clifford, Earl > of Cumberland). > > And thanks for sharing. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:28:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI7SO2k025237 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:28:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI7Ruet014245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7RtFx012813; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7Rq5d012776 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803F85D482 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:27:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051117232507.035ec038@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:27:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise In-Reply-To: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I love it, I love it all. You are so very talented, and very inspirational. I love the red corset with the ribbons over the seams. It just makes it so much more elegant and yummy. Someday I hope to achieve what you do... when I have time away from little babies. Thanks for sharing your work again. Kimiko At 03:36 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the >neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. >Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures >of the stays starts. >I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I >scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the >zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be >attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.......... >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:35:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI7ZFqs026918 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:35:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI7OkAC014082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7OkU3011764; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAI7OiGn011727 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 5967 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 07:24:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a7EpvXy4QJBtKA56GCcwlCucGAMCXfTzyMDVtbt6WHv+WTiw8w1zQDfu/yOpO4qm9on4u+4Xwp4Ifq8PttyvgNu7F24g0k3wC5y+QtVXbcqrPa3y0TAIJxht5/SL2WUw6ds/qtnoGFLs4WZ8N/iFjBRHKnW9IJwpK9mzW1U9Zjg= ; Message-ID: <20051118072438.5965.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:24:38 EST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Order of the Garter.... Garter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This book is the one it was featured in: V&A Museum's catalogue ' Gothic - Art for England 1400-1547' Cat 81. ISBN 1851774017. If anyone has it on hand... can you check and see if it's of any use to me? otherwise I'll just wait till the book comes in on ILL. :-) Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 11:08:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIG8X8Z028376 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:08:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIG7uAN081400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIG7m1l054333; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIDvQ5A073481 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m190.in-tch.com [216.166.191.190]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAIDnxk19622 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:50:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002301c5ec48$ef3ed500$bebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <6.2.1.2.0.20051117195217.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:04:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Not getting any sympathy from me! ;o) I live in an entire state that's not big enough (population wise) for most nice companies, or restaurants. I don't know that we've got a Pottery Barn anywhere in Montana.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) > At 08:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: > >And I, being curious, checked out their website: > >http://www.eternasilk.com/ > > > >WOW! > > > Of course, the closest dealer is 2+ hours from me. Why this city isn't > considered big enough for nice companies, I don't know. We are just getting > a Pottery Barn, for goodness sake. > > Kimiko > Feeling grumpy about having to always buy things online if I want nice > stuff to play with. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 11:55:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIGtVvS029562 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:55:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIGs6Zo087006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIGrpqv090555; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50215.mail.yahoo.com (web50215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAIGrnSa090446 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44133 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 16:53:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GECnYOj+SwbHdw2TRM/fAFBg+7Rrxqpu2nPw1Kmj7QRRAwXFCqX71OJOf4hGBcOIaNtc6t8SWZK3m0GjL3x2iYF3gJbCreRVruG674xq4uzyl6X/XMW10wxG+Z5aeAaiq5O1yIKx1yoTsaUBVFweCmIA2aQKQDM6Z1cqtmAFQ30= ; Message-ID: <20051118165343.44131.qmail@web50215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.9.138] by web50215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:53:43 PST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] costume dvds for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I'm clearing out again and have 4 more dvds for sale, $35 plus your choice of postage: Lady Chatterley - BBC, 2 discs, all 4 episodes, Sean Bean, Joely Richardson Barchester Chronicles - BBC, 2 discs, all 7 episodes, Alan Rickman is THE Obadiah Slope Swept from the Sea - Joseph Conrad's story "Amy Foster," Vincent Perez Joseph Andrews - Peter Firth, Ann-Margret If you have questions or want to buy, please email me off list at jmr779@alltel.net Melissa Roberts __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Hey, I made costumes for Ann-Margret...for the miniseries "Queen". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 15:11:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIKBmEr004745 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:11:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIK5s8U014457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIK5k5R046101; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIK5clp045972 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2472c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.44]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 75615262873 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:05:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c5ec7b$7f028010$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:05:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Saragrace Perhaps i missed the thread. Did you find out that that beaded 17th century bodice was in the collektion of Manchester Museum? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] > There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum to > see if I can find out anything more. > > Sg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILDUao006322 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILCrIj023415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILCgn1098648; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21PlpN087960 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so30662wxc for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c3YCIiZUZN+WSv7lKb5IPeuZj5vBfMxCsTmO8+KQ7KIwYLtWoKMRj9ChQgXIZb3wiX3t406VRjGyBaGmzDw/9Y00BbHIqHsZxTuTm0jPHclHnh8IrRKSwSU3yopDo2X3vWZCg3+2bMj6Bu1ecqqQ3by1ojhrB1L9a5phLbCnqzA= Received: by 10.65.232.19 with SMTP id j19mr1584395qbr; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:25:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:25:41 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510" References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:34 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ------=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/1/05, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the development > of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used in ancient times = by > shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool into garments. Other > references I have turned up give notice to tambour work, guipuire Maltese > laces and such. Is there any direct documented use of this form of lace > making in the 18th C? In any case, it seems to relate to more primitive a= nd > coarse lace work. > Comments? I'm afraid those sources aren't the best. Where they got their information doesn't hold up. However, see attachments 1, AN INTRODUCTION TO LACE by Gabrielle Pond. Scribner's, NY, 1973. p.40-41. attachment 2, LEGACY OF LACE ny Kathleen Warnick and Shirley Nilsson. Drown= , NY, 1989. p.12. and thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court of her father, King Henry VIII. CALENDAR OF STATE PAPERS AND MANUSCRIPTS, RELATING TO ENGLISH AFFAIRS Existing in Archives and Collections of Venice, edited bhy Rawdon Brown and Allen B. Hinds. Vol. 38. Longman & C,m Kibdibm 1864-1947. p.92 Aspasia Moonwind ------=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILDUv4006323 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILCrJk023414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILCe7Z098613; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEHDSQT085619 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5240 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 17:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 17:13:16 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051114170440.01d6f520@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:13:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <19d.4125e5a3.30a91ed6@aol.com> References: <19d.4125e5a3.30a91ed6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_260151598==_" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:34 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery Opening - Press Release X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com --=====================_260151598==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am not sure if this will work - please bear with me - I am attaching a copy of the Museum of London's Press release on the New Medieval Gallery, to be opened at the end of this month. (My gable headdress will be available for trying on!!) Suzi --=====================_260151598==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=====================_260151598==_-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILXV3g006792 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILWlKM025655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILKlNJ004962; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILKcZ3004699 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-2-205.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.2.205]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2005 05:20:23 +0800 Message-ID: <437E473B.6030001@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:27:23 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> <003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harper House? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Does anyone on this list live near Harper House? Can anyone see if they are still open? I never heard back from them after placing my last order - then I put in a query with Paypal which they did not respond to - so I got my money back today. However, I'm worried that they're not all right - and I'd hate them to get a bad reputation as I've purchased successfully from them in the past. Unfortunately both their fax and phone numbers are not working for me. Regards, Aylwen Garden http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:54:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILsw5B007241 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:54:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILrLQE027832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILrBJk028839; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILr3tU028728 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.27]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EdEAI-0002m3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:53:02 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If I may, my short FAQ file on this subject is now on the Web at: http://claning.home.igc.org/crochet.html Bonnie mentioned: >...thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the >belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court of her >father, King Henry VIII. Yes, but from the surviving specimens and the way they are described in the inventories, these are clearly "dress hooks" (imagine the hook part of giant hook-and-eye fasteners). They have a semi-circular open hook, less than 1 inch of shaft, and end with a flat plate pierced with holes for sewing onto the garment. They would be impossible to use as tools. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:01:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIM1QAv007351 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIM14bv028622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIM0ugd034335; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIM0mqw034062 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsewellb@cableone.net) Received: from toshibauser (unverified [24.117.250.37]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 36584378 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:12:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c5ec8b$8138cdc0$0400a8c0@toshibauser> From: "Rebecca Brown" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net><003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> <437E473B.6030001@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harper House? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:00:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 46, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.250.37 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I ordered from them several months ago and just recently got a small portion of the order. Everything else was backordered. I'm afraid you may be right, there may be a problem. I hope not too. Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:44:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIMiaEH008045 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:44:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIMi9ev033694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMhoJ1066018; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:43:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMhZ3G065792 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:43:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EC5169B9 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051118143654.036c8d50@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:37:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <20051118072212.88778.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511171004.jAHA4srP050767@net.indra.com> <20051118072212.88778.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:22 PM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko, > >I am working with Raymond's Quiet Press on this one. >When I get the condition report and obverse photo from >Anglesey House, he'll be better able to decide if he >wishes to pursue making it. >I on the other hand am working on getting the book >this item is featured in, hopefully it has some >dimensional information in it. Hopefully they have >already sent me the file photo they promised. Once I >have enough source material I can draw out a full >scale cartoon of the embroidery. I can forward that >over to you once I have finished with it, along with >yardage requirements. > >Busy, busy busy... > >Kathy Hi Kathy, I look forward to whatever you find out. Thank you. :-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:45:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIMjUZw008085 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIMj6AH033844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMj3RC066910; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMhZa0065793 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:43:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77195169C7 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051118143747.0369de68@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) In-Reply-To: <002301c5ec48$ef3ed500$bebfa6d8@pavilion> References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <6.2.1.2.0.20051117195217.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> <002301c5ec48$ef3ed500$bebfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 06:04 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote: >Not getting any sympathy from me! ;o) I live in an entire state that's not >big enough (population wise) for most nice companies, or restaurants. I >don't know that we've got a Pottery Barn anywhere in Montana.... >--Sue Ok, you win. :-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:47:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIMlQsZ008121 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:47:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIMl65q034199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMl565068513; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMkvBh068307 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6633F1800347 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:46:47 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Nov 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D115AC6144; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:46:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:46:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Received: from [149.169.167.11] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:46:40 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.167.11 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051118224640.D115AC6144@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAIMkvBh068307 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com When I saw the subject line, I immediately thought of the dyed sheepskins that IKEA is currently selling. Most of them are colors found in nature (if not on sheep), except for the red ones. By some strange and random chance, the red ones are precisely the color of Elmo. They also have a frigteningly similar appearance. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 01:35:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJ6Z13D015656 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:35:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJ6GNOb076970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJ6GHwL090300; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJ6GExE090258 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051119061505.CTHR26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:15:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511181906.jAIJ6mMa001052@net.indra.com> References: <200511181906.jAIJ6mMa001052@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Max Callahan Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:14:43 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re:Website question about 17th century bodice find X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > > Duh....I guess I should remember the email list doesn't accept > attachments. > It looks like I will have to write the Manchester museum via snail > mail....they don't accept email inquiries. > > Sg >> Laraine Ansley wrote: >> > Hi there, > The museum is: > The Gallery of English Costume, Platt Fields, Manchester. > It is open to the public but you may have to ring first as Manchester > have reduced some opening times and you need to check. Information > about the gallery should be accessible via the Manchester Art > Galleries > website. If you have problems getting in touch, come back to me and > I'll find you other info. We saw some photos of the bodice at our > meeting in Settle but we do not have the copyright on the pictures so > have nothing on our website yet. It is a very attractive piece and > quite unique. We ought to be able to do something about pictures > once > the conservation has been done, I think. > > */"Saragrace T. Knauf" /* wrote: > > Hello, I was reading on your website about this bodice: > http://www.nsct.fsnet.co.uk/20050924.html > > Can you tell me what museum in Manchester has this bodice? > There are a > number of folks on a historic costume email list who have just > heard > about it and would love to see some photos. Any information on > where it > will be exhibited would also be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Saragrace Knauf > > Best wishes, > > Rae Thanks for posting that! I'm very excited now and can't wait to hear what happens with the conservation. Maybe one of you lucky people out there will get to hear about what's going on (or even get to work on it!) -dreaming of European museums now....mmmm :D Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 06:17:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJBHYqM025057 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:17:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJBGuX2013550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJBGmHr001588; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJBGjNO000912 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA9918311 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb41.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.437b8813.26782 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DfwmcRipdYgIAAAAB,90ddaa9f8f1a200a58715df1c5c57b6e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20051119031644.9A89D9DC@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com So *that's* how you do it, Bjarne! :-> I am now not only in awe of your embroidery and costuming skills, but your computer-pattern-tweaking, too! Joannah. --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: Hi Elizabeth, I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. But why dont you do like this: It requires that you have the patterns books off cause, a computer and a drawingprogram like for instance Corel Draw. You can scan in the pattern you want, open it in your drawing program. Meassure a point of yourself where you want the pattern to be the same meassure. Take for instance your bodice side meassure. Find the bodice side meassure in the book. You then have that your own bodice side is, say (30cm.) The meassure of the pattern side bodice is ( 2,8cm) Now you devide 30 with 2,8 cm wich is 10,714 This means that you have to enlarge your pattern 1071,4 % In the drawing programme there is a tab where you can resamble your pattern. Place in 1071,4 % and it will enlarge your pattern in the meassures you want. My drawing program also can print out the whole pattern in A4 papers. It can tile the big picture and print out all the pattern parts. This gives you an excakt print of the book pattern. I often use this method when i make new corsets. You have to work on this original pattern to fit your own body off cause, but that you also have to do with finished cut out patterns. I know that the skirts are huge to print out, but you could use it to get the right bodice construktion. Bjarne _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 09:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJE3dMu021288 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:03:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJE31Xk024828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJE2vej066559; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJE2s81066492 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A0870210; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:02:47 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Nov 05 14:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c5ed12$14760400$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051118224640.D115AC6144@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:03:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com When we were in Greece in 1999, all the best fur shops were sporting these colors, I think it is amazing that it has taken this long for this style to become popular in our marketplace. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > When I saw the subject line, I immediately thought of the dyed sheepskins that IKEA is currently selling. Most of them are colors found in nature (if not on sheep), except for the red ones. By some strange and random chance, the red ones are precisely the color of Elmo. They also have a frigteningly similar appearance. > > -Katie > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 09:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJELEa9021607 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJEKaEf026089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKZkx074154; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKVR6074123 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 821763824 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:20:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c5ed14$66dcc380$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c5e9ea$36b99c00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about fur Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:20:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Now we are talking about fur. Yesterday they had a bargain in my Mall. I > could get a silverfox with head, legs and tails, you know how these looks > like, for a bargain. Very fine quality. > Could i use such a fox and sew on my 18th century cloak? > I would consider it a shame to remove the head, legs and tail, but would > this be period? > My cloak has a wide falling collar made of faux fur! see this for a way to use your whole fur... http://tinyurl.com/cmojc B, You'd probably have to make a new outfit to match, in a different time period---or at least a different economic strata, but it would certainly be stunning! Did you ever get a Real answer to your question? I don't know about period use of the head, legs, etc, but I think real fur would be wonderfully luxurious detail to your costume. I also think you should enter that Eterna Silk contest---it would blow the doors off the current and past entries! Denise in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 09:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJELE81021606 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJEKXuF026086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKTYP074102; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKPeV074030 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ool-4354b303.dyn.optonline.net [67.84.179.3]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQ7005ICH5UN3N8@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:20:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:20:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth Western Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harper House? In-reply-to: <437E473B.6030001@earthlydelights.com.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Harper House? Thread-index: AcXtFF+pnf0gnlkHEdqx0gAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Aylwen, I too had had a little problem with them last year, got my money back with an apology. From what I understand from people over on the S&S message board, the owners husband is ill and she is dealing with those issues. Elizabeth On 11/18/05 4:27 PM, "A & J Garden" wrote: > Does anyone on this list live near Harper House? Can anyone see if they > are still open? I never heard back from them after placing my last order > - then I put in a query with Paypal which they did not respond to - so I > got my money back today. However, I'm worried that they're not all right > - and I'd hate them to get a bad reputation as I've purchased > successfully from them in the past. Unfortunately both their fax and > phone numbers are not working for me. > Regards, Aylwen Garden > > http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 11:22:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJGMaR9023674 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJGLOjg035421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJGLKuM028167; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEcf3U083021 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAJEVf8g000629 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:38:37 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:21:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511181906.jAIJ6mMa001052@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pottery barn (was eterna silk) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Come on guys, Pottery Barn isn't all that it's cracked up to be, unless you like pretty but overpriced things. Now I am lucky in that there is a Pottery Barn factory outlet about an hour and half away. Most of the stuff is STILL overpriced, even the damaged stuff. But if you're not picky they always have some give-aways. I got a great kitchen clock there for $15, and a $95 kitchen garbage can (like I would pay nearly $100 for my garbage!) for $30. I have just been to the Frontgate/Ballard Design outlet that's in a suburb about 40 miles away. Makes the Pottery Barn outlet look cheap. Stuff that was seriously damaged was STILL hundreds of dollars! Obviously I am not the target market for these stores. I like nice things, and well-designed things. But if I bought that kind of stuff, I wouldn't have anything left over for books and fabric! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 11:27:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJGRiFf023765 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:27:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJGMFNR035516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJGMGtS028598; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJF63dF096125 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r21so766537wxc for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:05:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ManUR8k9kgP8+NWkEMwmX9t7qE6+nrGUQIfEyAVq5hnM44tMXWkb1ZbTVMkxvEgRG1yCfm+zL7wUKMU4Hr/oJbGHd+f+NSfJRZr63VSNwYWIJZVupz+6LDCMr7bJx1k3Is4+2YT7fn1vRotngJKS8kW/Qyp4WlYMYsTBGsNZNE8= Received: by 10.65.250.10 with SMTP id c10mr1010037qbs; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:05:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:05:59 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAJGRiFf023765 > > > Bonnie mentioned: > >...thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the > >belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court of her > >father, King Henry VIII. > > Yes, but from the surviving specimens and the way they are described in > the inventories, these are clearly "dress hooks" (imagine the hook part of > giant hook-and-eye fasteners). They have a semi-circular open hook, less > than 1 inch of shaft, and end with a flat plate pierced with holes for > sewing onto the garment. They would be impossible to use as tools. > > I differ with you, but not being able to time travel, neither of us can > present definitive proof. There is clearly lace on the collars, cuffs, and > headpieces of the time. Also what looks to be lace on the passements that > time and before. It may or may not be. This does not pass away the > "crochets" part of the listing nor why it is listed in conjunction with the > hooks. Some people have also said it is buttoning hooks. Crochets could be > anything from heavy yarns for bedhangings to decorative fine lace. There was > also mentions of Elizabeth being fond of her fine chain headpieces. Again, > may or may not be. There is no conclusive evidence either way. It seems to > be too much circumstansal evidence to say nay. > -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 12:30:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJHURbZ024859 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:30:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJHTMdK041063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJHT9xk059815; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJHT6u1059669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EdWW7-0002iW-LS; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:28:47 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:28:47 -0600 Message-ID: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:28:47 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It was on one of my garb lists that we were discussing rectanguolar construction techniques for making a gown for a large busted woman. There were extra gores down the sides (at least from the bottom of the armsye to the waist) in addition to the skirt gores to allow for the extra flesh. Does anybody remember that thread? I'm not having any luck finding it. The gist was that if you just made the "standard" 4-panel gown with skirt gores, the shoulder seams would be down somewhere around your elbows because that's how wide the fabric would have to be to go around the bust. Thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 14:02:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJJ244U026344 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:02:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJJ1fEV049989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJJ1O3J003413; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJJ1Kd3003337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jAJIrifN008675 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:53:44 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <437F767D.7090602@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:01:17 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic References: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Susan B. Farmer wrote: > It was on one of my garb lists that we were discussing rectanguolar > construction techniques for making a gown for a large busted woman. > There were extra gores down the sides (at least from the bottom of the > armsye to the waist) in addition to the skirt gores to allow for the > extra flesh. Does anybody remember that thread? Yep. The idea which someone had, and found gave good results, had trapezoid-shaped panels under the arms. The regular start-at-the-waist godets were put in those in addition. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Must Die" law was approved by Congress today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 16:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJL3twA028235 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJL3OUs062967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJL3AI2054991; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJL361Q054966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-243.sonic.net [209.148.114.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJL35bd004583 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:06 -0800 Message-ID: <437F930C.80903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:08 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Leather and Socks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks to everyone for the info on leather dyeing, which I have not had time to implement this. BTW, I just discovered the Bureau of Missing Socks: http://www.funbureau.com/ which "explores all aspects of the phenomena including the occult, conspiracy theories, and extraterrestrial" and the formation of the Bureau beginning in the American Civil War: http://www.funbureau.com/history.html Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 19:21:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAK0LGnH031452 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:21:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAK0KgmR087496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK0Kckm034561; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK0KYdM034524 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m122.in-tch.com [216.166.191.122]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAK0D6k22402 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:13:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000e01c5ed69$26d6fda0$7abfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:27:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm very large, even by American standards ;o), and significantly well-endowed, as well (a problematice issue even at lower weights), and I do just fine with a standard 4-panel gown, if you're talking basic 14th century fitted gown. (Robin could verify this...she's actually fitted me at a workshop, bless her heart! ;o) But then, for this sort of garment, you've got the inset sleeve and all, so there really isn't any extra fabric in the shoulder area. Where I *have* run into exactly that, though, is with less, uhm, fitted articles of clothing? Tee-tunics and their various versions are probably the most obvious. I also experience it with underclothing along the lines of 18th-century shifts, or the fairly body-skimming shifts one would wear under a Tudor gown or 16th c. Flemish outfit. When I make those, I take a wedge of fabric off either shoulder--like double-pointed triangles, like this: |\ | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ ------ | / | / | / | / | / | / |/ The horizontal dashed line is the shoulder line. I just taper the rest of the cutout down to below my bust. When completed, you really can't see that there's fabric missing, it's only when you lay it flat, and really look, that it becomes apparent. I've never done one of the Greenland-style gowns with the extra, gores of fabric running from the armpit area to the hem, although I'm planning on doing something *like* that to make myself a couple of Norse aprons. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Costume List" Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic > It was on one of my garb lists that we were discussing rectanguolar > construction techniques for making a gown for a large busted woman. > There were extra gores down the sides (at least from the bottom of the > armsye to the waist) in addition to the skirt gores to allow for the > extra flesh. Does anybody remember that thread? I'm not having any > luck finding it. > > The gist was that if you just made the "standard" 4-panel gown with > skirt gores, the shoulder seams would be down somewhere around your > elbows because that's how wide the fabric would have to be to go around > the bust. > > Thanks, > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 21:27:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAK2Ra78000763 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAK2R4PF097159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK2QxR3080137; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK2QtAs080089 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OJc4JMuNqGX7t2rjM+PGrp3ZYtI3Vg9An1S5TuYdgAWWpvKBXEflpHKVrWgqiUf2; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.169.117] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Edeur-0003Kd-Vs for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:26:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:26:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4781fc177a00eba3cd14bade995ebf19641a64863266557c793350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.169.117 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Nov 19, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Bonnie Booker wrote: >> >> >> Bonnie mentioned: >> >>> ...thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the >>> belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court >>> of her >>> father, King Henry VIII. >>> >> >> Yes, but from the surviving specimens and the way they are >> described in >> the inventories, these are clearly "dress hooks" (imagine the hook >> part of >> giant hook-and-eye fasteners). They have a semi-circular open >> hook, less >> than 1 inch of shaft, and end with a flat plate pierced with holes >> for >> sewing onto the garment. They would be impossible to use as tools. >> (I think this is Bonnie again, despite the quote-layering) >> I differ with you, but not being able to time travel, neither of >> us can >> present definitive proof. There is clearly lace on the collars, >> cuffs, and >> headpieces of the time. Also what looks to be lace on the >> passements that >> time and before. It may or may not be. This does not pass away the >> "crochets" part of the listing nor why it is listed in conjunction >> with the >> hooks. Some people have also said it is buttoning hooks. Crochets >> could be >> anything from heavy yarns for bedhangings to decorative fine lace. >> There was >> also mentions of Elizabeth being fond of her fine chain >> headpieces. Again, >> may or may not be. There is no conclusive evidence either way. It >> seems to >> be too much circumstansal evidence to say nay. Keep in mind that the word "crochet" originally simply means "hook" -- before the use of the word for a specific type of thread-work, the phrase "hooks and crochets" would simply mean "hooks, and hooks-by- another-name". There's no historic context for considering that the phrase in a 16th c. document can only mean "hooks and threadwork made with a hook". Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 23:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAK43Mgm002335 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAK42o5d006128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK42bQc010303; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK42Xax010246 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:02:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4B43A1E7 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:02:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437FF55C.8030906@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:02:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Saw it this evening, and I liked it very much. I thought it was very well made, and in some ways even better than the last version with Colin Firth, although Kiera Knightly's hair bothered me. The costuming all had that 'real clothing' feel that 'Persuasion' had, which I liked, too. I recommend the movie, even if you've heard bad things about it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 10:55:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKFtXPH027633 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKFrpOc081550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKFrjYd051851; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKFreBU051819 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.26.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.26] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EdrVa-0006uX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: <43809B37.10503@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet References: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Heather Rose Jones wrote: > Keep in mind that the word "crochet" originally simply means "hook" -- > before the use of the word for a specific type of thread-work, the > phrase "hooks and crochets" would simply mean "hooks, and hooks-by- > another-name". There's no historic context for considering that the > phrase in a 16th c. document can only mean "hooks and threadwork made > with a hook". Plus the mentions of these items in other accounts puts them in a category separate from clothing items. Hookes and crotchettes are listed with chests, sacks, hammers, and coal baskets. Hookes and eyes are listed with thread and textiles. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 11:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKG7QZ6027860 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKG72i5082690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKG701a057224; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKG6vPs057137 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e8.46979b33 (4362) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.46979b33.30b1f91a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:06:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: even if you've heard bad things about it. The main commentary I hear about it is it has more of a Wuthering Heights feel...y'know, more romantic than classical....more Bronte than Austin. But that's OK really. There's room for that. And now we have this one AND the Colin Firth one, so no harm done. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 14:09:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKJ9SJE031835 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKJ8jgl098996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJ8cQW033683; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJ8Yvp033656 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EduYD-000DeO-7O for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:07:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie References: <1e8.46979b33.30b1f91a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e8.46979b33.30b1f91a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$I2N+NFz4zNQeF4tpBhTWmM$iK>) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com AlbertCat@aol.com wrote > >In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dawn@reddawn.net writes: > >even if you've heard bad things about it. > >The main commentary I hear about it is it has more of a Wuthering Heights >feel...y'know, more romantic than classical....more Bronte than Austin. But >that's OK really. There's room for that. And now we have this one AND >the Colin >Firth one, so no harm done. There is a point, when Lizzie is in Derbyshire with her aunt and uncle, where she stands on a hilltop with her skirt blowing out behind her - I leaned over to the friend I was with and asked "Is that the definition of "wuthering""? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 14:44:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKJiQ7c032452 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:44:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKJi5YG001572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJi42o048104; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kcout03.prserv.net (kcout03.prserv.net [12.154.55.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJi1hD048047 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:44:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@attglobal.net) Received: from [12.65.174.197] (slip-12-65-174-197.mis.prserv.net[12.65.174.197](untrusted sender)) by prserv.net (kcout03) with SMTP id <2005112019434820300lv22he>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:43:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.65.174.197] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:48:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? From: Donna Franke To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcXuC112nAF38ln+EdqaigANk2wGSA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My dress form is wearing a bodice for an Italian Renaissance gown. In particular Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni. I realized that I had make this when I discovered that I had green wool and yellow polished cotton that matched the dress. My first time making an Italian Renaissance outfit. I'm getting good practice draping the pattern. Donna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 14:50:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKJo92G032534 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:50:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKJnJhK001958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJnJm8050249; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJnDTI050188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jAKJfXfN023389 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:41:33 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:41:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4380D335.5050100@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:49:09 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine is wearing a plastic bag poncho. Mostly I've been sewing for the kids, who are relatively easy to fit (they're almost 4) although I did make a poly-fleece coif for my mother, who complains of chills in the winter. It's in violent rainbow patterns, to dispell any Victorian Grandmother with lappets images! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Must Die" law was approved by Congress today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 18:44:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKNiiSi005315 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:44:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKNiARe021032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKNi69W049927; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKNi25p049873 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQA00K531X6AB13@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:43:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:43:51 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Donna-- Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni) I don't think I am familiar with it. Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Donna Franke Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? My dress form is wearing a bodice for an Italian Renaissance gown. In particular Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni. I realized that I had make this when I discovered that I had green wool and yellow polished cotton that matched the dress. My first time making an Italian Renaissance outfit. I'm getting good practice draping the pattern. Donna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 19:01:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL01986005574 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:01:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL00iPo022293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL008fY056418; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kcout02.prserv.net (kcout02.prserv.net [12.154.55.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL003cI056329 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@attglobal.net) Received: from [12.65.114.244] (slip-12-65-114-244.mis.prserv.net[12.65.114.244](untrusted sender)) by prserv.net (kcout02) with SMTP id <2005112023595520200r1ab2e>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:59:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.65.114.244] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:04:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? From: Donna Franke To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcXuLyYZZNo/z1oiEdqaigANk2wGSA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Catriona, You can find it here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html Helen On 11/20/05 3:43 PM, "monica spence" wrote: > > Hi Donna-- > > Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo > Sofferoni) > > I don't think I am familiar with it. > > Thanks! > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 19:06:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL06bng005667 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL06MWM022735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL06MnC059154; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL06Idf059090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EdzC3-0000qj-GW; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:05:59 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:05:59 -0600 Message-ID: <20051120180559.k7s0utypmu8googo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:05:59 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quoting monica spence : > > Hi Donna-- > > Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo > Sofferoni) > > I don't think I am familiar with it. I've got black velvet and gold silk to make one out of. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor31.html Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 20:24:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL1OtY2007039 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL1ORs5031354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL1OOAR093554; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL1OL89093499 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.268.1e1628 (4214) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <268.1e1628.30b27bba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:24:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Saw it Friday. It's great, and visually stunning. We get some fun new costumes with the girls from Beauxbatons and the guys from Durmstrang, and, of course, the formal robes for the Yule Ball. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 22:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL3W4p8008983 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:32:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL3VZuZ046630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL3VTu7046238; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL3VP9W046178 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQA00DJ1CG3QXZG@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:31:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:31:13 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks Helen! I know that picture as the "Woman in the Green Dress". I am glad that I can give it a name a little less vague. Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Donna Franke Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Hi Catriona, You can find it here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html Helen On 11/20/05 3:43 PM, "monica spence" wrote: > > Hi Donna-- > > Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo > Sofferoni) > > I don't think I am familiar with it. > > Thanks! > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 23:51:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL4pdfn010157 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL4pF7i056434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL4pAwF081650; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL4p6t4081611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-137-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.137]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAL4p3gf018525 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:51:05 +1100 Message-ID: <000d01c5ee57$2e346bc0$89dbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:51:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] somewhat OT 18th century pocket watches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I was just looking for pocket watches on ebay (as they are less jarring than a wrist watch) and I found a bunch of watches with abstract floral designs on the cover described as '18th century style' (e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ANTIQUE-18-CENTURY-ARTISTIC-SILVER-POCKET-WATCH-3_W0QQitemZ5055655807QQcategoryZ398QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://snipurl.com/k39k look at the seller's other items for other slightly different designs) Does anyone know if this really is a feature of 18th centuy watches (they might mean 1800s rather than 18th century) or are they making this up to make it sound better? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 00:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL5HDch010456 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL5GV2M058472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL5GUZK091275; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL5GJZL091176 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D343A1FD for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:16:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43815838.30207@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:16:40 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] playing with paper dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh, this is fun, http://www.paperdolls.com/pages/dressem.htm And you can get the paper versions too. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 06:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALBIFt8023784 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALBHJZH099701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALBH1TT020557; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALBGuX9020506 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b5.122b1f (57341) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:16:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2b5.122b1f.30b306a0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:16:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT 18th century pocket watches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/20/2005 11:53:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I found a bunch of watches with abstract floral designs on the cover described as '18th century style' (e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ANTIQUE-18-CENTURY-ARTISTIC-SILVER-POCKET-WATCH-3_W0QQi temZ5055655807QQcategoryZ398QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://snipurl.com/k39k look at the seller's other items for other slightly different designs) Does anyone know if this really is a feature of 18th century watches (they might mean 1800s rather than 18th century) or are they making this up to make it sound better? I thought 18th century watches didn't have covers at all, but I might be wrong. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 09:10:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALEA56d004279 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:10:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALE9KZs012329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALE97Xt092369; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALE93S5092298 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:08:57 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:08:53 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: rectangular construction tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Add me to the zaftig list :). And I have found the gores-under-the-arms rectuangular pattern to work very well for my figure. Depending on the fabric types, I also don't seem to have as much neck-creep-to-the-back with this pattern as I do with the basic t-tunic. I can't find the original website I found instructions for this style on but did find this russian costume website that uses essentially the same thing for a shorter under tunic/shirt: http://members.aol.com/predslava/GiliarovskaiaPatterns.html Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 09:14:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALEEOrk004429 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:14:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALEE3Hd012766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALEE3p3094637; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALEDwNU094605 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD493FF81 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb40.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.437b8813.39b7b for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DgdYlD1SdoAIAAAAB,b3b0b215329f66d5722c764941d6d2f5 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pride & Prejudice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My husband and I went to see P & P on Thursday just past. For the book that they had to compress into just over 2 hours long, they didn't do a bad job. I did like the 'hand-made' look of the clothes, the Bennet girls in particular, and overall, I found very little to pick at over the costuming. But WHY did they have to dress Keira Knightley in such generally dark, ugly colours? The messy hair thing was a bit irritating, but understandable, I guess, in view of the impression of the time and the family that the film-makers were going for. What *did* irritate me, was the disregard of the propriety / period manners / modes of conduct - Mr Bingley would NEVER have actually gone into the sickroom where a sick, unmarried, *unrelated* female guest was lying, even if she was chaperoned; to the door to inquire after the invalid, perhaps, but never actually *into* the room. And the scene on the bridge at dawn? Beautifully romantic, but even a strong-minded woman like Elizabeth would never have behaved in such a manner. It just wouldn't have happened. These two are the most glaring examples that I remember. They also were not quite successful in marrying the scriptwriter's dialogue with dialogue from the book - the difference was noticeable, from the informality of the 'modern' dialogue to suddenly having the characters speaking the original, much more formal dialogue of the book. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie ( so did my husband! ) and thought that altogether it was worth seeing, but I do think that as far as being true to the book, the 1995 BBC series was much better. My bit more than 2 cents worth. Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 18:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALNIWtr003462 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:18:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALNHt1v081124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNHnK4028911; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNHgZ1028752 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-164.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.164]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 22 Nov 2005 07:15:15 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <438256A8.3020304@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:22:16 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <00cb01c594d0$38290d10$6800a8c0@Penny> In-Reply-To: <00cb01c594d0$38290d10$6800a8c0@Penny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett book on ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I just discovered I had two copies of a Jean Hunnisett Book 1 so have just listed one on ebay. I also noticed that Amazon have listed it as out-of-print so will be very careful with my remaining copy! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6990223141 Regards, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 18:19:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALNJtrJ003515 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:19:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALNJSqJ081322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNJRe8030228; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNJN1L030188; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d147.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.148]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id jALNJNBb053493; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:19:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43820FBE.5404.5658814@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200511211900.jALJ0Sw1009309@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Well, just at the moment, she's down to the wire supports, having lost 1) a dry cleaners bag 2) the 1970s gauze peasant dress I use for a dust cover 3) my duct tape double shell and 4) the size 6? original molded form. But tomorrow, ah tomorrow...my mother's wedding dress from 1955 - with all 3 tiers of lace and tulle over heavy satin, silver beads, pearls & iridescent sequins & more buttons down the back & sleeves than I have time to count! She'll hold it up while I coax out some of the wrinkles, and then display it at my parents 50th wedding anniversary party on Friday. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 18:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALNUMI0003882 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:30:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALNU1NQ083196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNTxK3039035; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNTrSo038933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-81-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.81]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jALNTnc1023705 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:29:50 +1100 Message-ID: <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pride & Prejudice Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:29:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie ( so did my husband! ) and thought > that altogether it was worth seeing, but I do think that as far as being > true to the book, the 1995 BBC series was much better. > > My bit more than 2 cents worth. > > Joannah. > I agree with the other comments that it had a bit of a Romantic/Gothic feel (IIRC it only rains once in the 1995 version it's constantly raining in this one) and the lack of propriety, in terms of costuming I noticed a lot of wandering around without hats (Mr Darcy and Lizzy were the main culprits) perhaps it's a reflection of their mental state like those 15th century pictures of Mary Magdalene in just her kirtle at the foot of the cross ;). and the bit where Lizzy is wandering about the Collins' house in her nightgown (a lot of people hesitate to do that in somebody else's house today, let alone in the 19th century). There were also a couple of points where it completely missed the point of the book, the most glaring error is dropping the Gardiners' children Mrs Bennet claims that her brother is rich with no children of his own, in the book much is made of the facts that 1. Mrs Bennet's family aren't too rich and are 'in trade' (and therefore are not really of the same social standing as Mr Bennet as a member of the landed gentry) and 2. after their Father's death the girls will have only £50 a year to live on and none of their relatives can afford to support them. If their uncle is married with no children after several years of marriage it's a safe bet that he's not going to have children of his own and he can pass his fortune onto his neices when he dies. The Bennets were depicted as not very well off (the house is falling to bits and they can apparently only afford Potatoes for dinner!) in the book they are no where near that poor, but they will be when Mr Bennet dies. The other major problem I saw was the timing of Lady Catherine's visit to tell Lizzy that she disapproves of the match. She turns up at the Bennets only a few hours after Bingley proposed to Jane having heard rumours that Darcy will propose to Lizzy, I don't understand where she would have heard such a rumour. In the book the neighbors begin speculating about Lizzy and Darcy after Jane and Bingley's engagement and so Charlotte Lucas hears the rumour from her family and Mr Collins passes the message onto Lady Catherine. I don't understand how a rumour about Lizzy and Darcy would get to Lady Catherine so quickly and the movie never explains it either. Overall the costuming was pretty good and with a couple of exceptions they got it right (better than Emma with Gwyneth Paltrow for example), I liked the way that the older women were wearing older fashions, though I think Keira Knightley could have worn something more flattering than that ubiquitous ugly green dress, she's not stupid she can see what flatters her and what doesn't, I could excuse the ugly fabric if it's supposed to be a home dress but I don't see why she would choose such an un-flattering cut. The other problem I saw was Caroline Bingley wearing a sleeveless gown at the Netherfield ball, I could kind of understand it if it was in imitation of classical draperies but it was a structured cut that just skipped the sleeves (to me it looked like they had made a petticoat out of satin). Apart from those few errors (and the lack of hats mentioned above) the costuming was done pretty well. It's an entertaining movie fairly loosely based on Jane Austen's novel, but don't expect the sort of faithful adaptation the BBC did. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole | Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 19:01:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM01we7004873 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:01:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM01diS087011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM01XXp061730; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM01SEQ061566 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 8139 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 00:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 00:01:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:00:54 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tonight I went to a private viewing of the new Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London (c400-1558.) For a wonder the cases are well lit, and to an extent you can get to the sides, and sometimes round the back. For the interest of this list there are tiny knitted garments for children, knitted caps, a fragment of sleeve with buttons, (in the Crowfoot/Staniland book), thimbles, pins, jewellery, madder dyed textiles, a leather jerkin, belts, a garter of wool, shoes, patterns, a cod piece and various other relevant things like for weaving, about which I know nothing. The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! The think I find most personal is a beautiful fine hairnet, which I had the good fortune to handle many years ago, and it was very evocative of a real person. All in all, somewhere worth visiting if you are in London with time on your hands, There are, of course, other galleries there to be enjoyed, the 18th century printed cotton clothes being on of my favourites. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 21:33:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM2XlHL009564 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM2XF7k003243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM2XBYI053016; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM2X7ZM052985 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 776D913859E; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:33:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.104.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.104]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3473B138628 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:32:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:34:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was > on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! What are the photography rules? Can you take pics of the headwear frames for those of us in the US? =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 23:11:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM4B7va012475 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM4AX4n012399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM4AUa9004744; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM4AQTU004677 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.6396d022 (57365) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:10:18 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <66.6396d022.30b3f42a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:10:18 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] King Kong X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Anyone seen the previews for the new King Kong movie coming out? It seems to be set in the 1930s, and I was wondering if anyone had any impressions of the costumes yet. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 01:51:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM6pIdf016716 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:51:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM6oaWR027502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM6oNA3083924; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM6oI3A083839 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13215 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 06:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 06:50:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:50:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:34 22/11/2005, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the >>Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! > >What are the photography rules? Can you take pics of the headwear >frames for those of us in the US? =} > >-E House Should not be a problem once the Gallery is officially open. I thought it might be a bit obvious if I was there with my camera last night!! As it was I had my little notebook out making lists. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 02:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM7kL2S027376 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM7juPr031970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM7jsnc008907; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM7jouR008837 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22056 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 07:45:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XEHKkhSWNPHA7VWq9oLoNcVyOrbUyvgC2eICK+iiUc+8hKM7bC7jedFHN09LNu30I+6eK5jbX3WQ///Yjl4s3dqFDcPopup+F3tuqfXUL1lPGeiEPMCloQdrXGquMUgJcoXaL8vAUyzEXW2kLF5cltYPVMTH44VEVqojhS6YRP0= ; Message-ID: <20051122074544.22054.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:45:44 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Pride and Prejudice II X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com jean wrote:>when Lizzie is in Derbyshire with her aunt and >uncle, where she stands on a hilltop with her skirt blowing out >behind her I was so beggging someone to come up and shove her off... I thought: Costumes - ok (suitably rumpled and certain people suitably unfashionable), hair - really annoying: was it intentional to have short bits of dark hair sticking out at the nape of her neck?, etiquette - was likewise shocked at 'bedroom scene' :-) My main peeve were the above 'wuthering' scene and the dawn scene - not that they were inappropriate (one of them was) or badly acted (I've seen worse) but the cinematography, that touched up super-real Keira twenty feet high thing: I enjoyed it apart from those which I felt really jarred and were badly done. Going to see the Libertine with M. Depp next week - from the promos the costumes look very good. Is it another Beavan/Bright collaboration? Apparently the 17th century has never been quite so dirty... Katherine who doesn't care too much about acting if they get the costumes right. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 04:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM9ttIO023821 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM9rjNq040998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM9reRk062805; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM9rZjW062709 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 91205 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 09:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 09:53:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:53:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and cannot remember then name of the stitch! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 08:51:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMDpx27027513 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMDpOT2073912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMDpI7i065898; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMDotOk065651 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 65069 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 13:50:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WTB1oHoaGHyfEv5fP6R+I3eMKvNXhbzCza77ksm78ILHgpLkKb9SWu9YqnAjzAXDdbINekY4FgkX4rwqpmVwDe5JOINrfldW0UH5oh+BhmNdV1CplPMub1uYeP0+BdUTt4xGacwword2hsjguTCQ6pUK6/f3s/ucq3Z/uOcu3VE= ; Message-ID: <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:50:49 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, can I beg photos? Please? pretty please! alex Suzi Clarke wrote: Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and cannot remember then name of the stitch! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 09:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAME34sQ027833 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:03:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAME2bsf074857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAME2Upu072039; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAME2PKB071915 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 96223 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 13:50 22/11/2005, you wrote: >Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, >can I beg photos? > >Please? > >pretty please! > >alex > >Suzi Clarke wrote: > >Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, >probably Italian. As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 10:07:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMF7jwn030135 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMF70Hq080135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMF6nEL008224; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMF6j6J008149 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 6644 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 15:06:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X5NGuqAxVM2iXsjYh8swdaWPLQ/scWYD+BAPJTIs2t4qFe4G64k0Klq9jmcAi9Pa9XbNVcZCyDL7wQiUU5tnl+rvrQVCDmfOSS45Edw1TxkHd5o9291zbC4Uokvskfe7zqQHqjTY92U7kpghq7qDxObz67TEUWjLENiIN5AlJx8= ; Message-ID: <20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:06:40 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. Suzi Thank you, I am most particularly interested in how the heel was turned/made, since our most famous stocking example of that period, Eleanora de Toledo's, don't have the heels anymore. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 10:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMFLkOD030576 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:21:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMFLMCS082066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMFLIh4017918; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53011.mail.yahoo.com (web53011.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMFLFsx017814 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aureliarufinia@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61713 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 15:21:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hFFJ2k8S40sXq2S2YP0xePcD9RNjcC3ObgDuI0mksKHN8ehOPbN5YFPfwkyJnuDQDrPl/w7edR8gjXwR3esP30zoRA4ZrwvRYE9FuIptqQbiV/5msykk0dmi7t2F4B+HTvG1arKNQSdMHsewrzJ0vjRGQSePhMVmA/HwY0Xcexk= ; Message-ID: <20051122152109.61711.qmail@web53011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.166.50.34] by web53011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:21:09 PST Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:21:09 -0800 (PST) From: Aurelia Rufinia Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pride & Prejudice To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511221507.jAMF6qIC008252@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I just saw it last night, and this is so not my period, so I will not talk about the costumes. Of course the mini-series is more tru to the book! the mini-series was what? Five hours? And this was two. Lots of stuff is going to be in that three hours. Dinner: If you look at the plates, there is meat and greens on them. The potatoes looked quite tasty, though. So not only could they afford a cook and a couple severents, they could afford meat, as well. Hair: I believe the wispy hair bits Lizzie had going was to accentuate her "plain-ness." I'm told the American ending is different than the British ending... I believe the very last scene is not in the british version. (It seemed random and slightly out of place, as it were.) Aurelia --------------- > > > I agree with the other comments that it had a bit of > a Romantic/Gothic feel > (IIRC it only rains once in the 1995 version it's > constantly raining in this > one) and the lack of propriety, in terms of > costuming I noticed a lot of > wandering around without hats (Mr Darcy and Lizzy > were the main culprits) > perhaps it's a reflection of their mental state like > those 15th century > pictures of Mary Magdalene in just her kirtle at the > foot of the cross ;). > and the bit where Lizzy is wandering about the > Collins' house in her > nightgown (a lot of people hesitate to do that in > somebody else's house > today, let alone in the 19th century). There were > also a couple of points > where it completely missed the point of the book, > the most glaring error is > dropping the Gardiners' children Mrs Bennet claims > that her brother is rich > with no children of his own, in the book much is > made of the facts that 1. > Mrs Bennet's family aren't too rich and are 'in > trade' (and therefore are > not really of the same social standing as Mr Bennet > as a member of the > landed gentry) and 2. after their Father's death the > girls will have only > £50 a year to live on and none of their relatives > can afford to support > them. If their uncle is married with no children > after several years of > marriage it's a safe bet that he's not going to have > children of his own and > he can pass his fortune onto his neices when he > dies. The Bennets were > depicted as not very well off (the house is falling > to bits and they can > apparently only afford Potatoes for dinner!) in the > book they are no where > near that poor, but they will be when Mr Bennet > dies. The other major > problem I saw was the timing of Lady Catherine's > visit to tell Lizzy that > she disapproves of the match. She turns up at the > Bennets only a few hours > after Bingley proposed to Jane having heard rumours > that Darcy will propose > to Lizzy, I don't understand where she would have > heard such a rumour. In > the book the neighbors begin speculating about Lizzy > and Darcy after Jane > and Bingley's engagement and so Charlotte Lucas > hears the rumour from her > family and Mr Collins passes the message onto Lady > Catherine. I don't > understand how a rumour about Lizzy and Darcy would > get to Lady Catherine so > quickly and the movie never explains it either. > Overall the costuming was pretty good and with a > couple of exceptions they > got it right (better than Emma with Gwyneth Paltrow > for example), I liked > the way that the older women were wearing older > fashions, though I think > Keira Knightley could have worn something more > flattering than that > ubiquitous ugly green dress, she's not stupid she > can see what flatters her > and what doesn't, I could excuse the ugly fabric if > it's === message truncated === __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 15:56:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMKuVgK009020 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMKtL3u024225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMKtGjE088522; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM0HRJ2073075 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5024C5FAB1 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 04:00 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: >The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was >on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! Thanks Suzi for sharing this info. I really have to get to Great Britain someday... I really do. But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for both the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such images, like a book or catalog or online? Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 15:58:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMKwuhc009114 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:58:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMKvv0R024627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMKvp0o090743; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMC2NQS016003 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so578990wra for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:02:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nVyBqPe9kbFWu1+roNJZjXBdglLwNPzwEjd+BdqXI/3LXkKWC0y4hhuM2r242mPbS7DSsZqfkyvsVPUpzPM6XSN9vw4iWJIz6OGQUX/Sj0OqXLaHC5eqRHInsiLY5S0003GjXTzUOAcFuVSIz+Y3VmLMsUPwqy09lqy8rRoVosU= Received: by 10.64.203.1 with SMTP id a1mr4336887qbg; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:02:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511220402v43146a6ei506ad227963abb51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:22 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAMC2NQS016003 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh, want! Suzi was it recreation or was it extant... I'm a little confused. BUT if it is extant then add it to my list of things to "visit" in June. ;> Happy dance. Bridgette, historic knit junky btw, reeled silk shouldn't shrink or full On 11/22/05, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, > probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could > probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was > fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, > even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks > like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very > small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and > cannot remember then name of the stitch! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:02:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAML2rWG009266 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:02:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAML2XfM025351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAML2VFI094791; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMGEiXw057844 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so1097857nzd for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DBF6JN2Aky1f4PGAtY0K5gGue27qM345wgNX4V0InZHOvnT51Joggq+EA7qC9oC6t/2pM7hHPuF2V4iyklbI6rYdMv+6gJ2dR1gfIfBGifC5mcVoRlvqXbtCj0CgINyFqhBxLrVt5jNblJdNJzH6YsjAHBkb0bNo/ZIVKv+RyPo= Received: by 10.65.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr4779850qbm; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:14:43 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAML2rWG009266 > Tonight I went to a private viewing of the new Medieval Gallery at > the Museum of London (c400-1558.) For a wonder the cases are well > lit, and to an extent you can get to the sides, and sometimes round > the back. For the interest of this list there are tiny knitted > garments for children, knitted caps, a fragment of sleeve with > buttons, (in the Crowfoot/Staniland book), thimbles, pins, jewellery, > madder dyed textiles, a leather jerkin, belts, a garter of wool, > shoes, patterns, a cod piece and various other relevant things like > for weaving, about which I know nothing. The wire frame for the Gable > Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was on display, and also a > frame for a French hood!!! The think I find most personal is a > beautiful fine hairnet, which I had the good fortune to handle many > years ago, and it was very evocative of a real person. For us travel limited, do they have a place on line? My daughter was there many times when she spent 6 mo. last winter, but I'm disabled and have problems getting around. > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAML30NP009273 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:03:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMKvK5B024511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMKvJHJ090290; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM7W7Xh002853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 27675 invoked by uid 507); 22 Nov 2005 18:32:05 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 18:32:05 +1100 Message-ID: <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1><025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:32:09 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'd check that with the museum - we were there in late 2003 and were not able to take photographs or (I kid you not) do sketches! I'm glad the displays are better - the old ones were quite disappointing - many items were not labelled. Some interesting pieces didn't even have an accession number to ask questions about later (they had the earliest examples of slipware (dated on the piece) I've seen, but no further information about them. Wayne did some sketches of these anyway! We're taking the kids to the UK next April-May, We'll be in London over Easter, and are looking forward to seeing the new gallery. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- > At 02:34 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >>>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, >>>was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! >> >>What are the photography rules? Can you take pics of the headwear frames >>for those of us in the US? =} >> >>-E House > > > Should not be a problem once the Gallery is officially open. I thought it > might be a bit obvious if I was there with my camera last night!! As it > was I had my little notebook out making lists. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:07:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAML7jLW009425 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAML7H91025960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAML7GA6098664; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:07:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMHGmG1008649 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D4F5F1389B6; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:16:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.171.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.171]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 18D98138A43 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:13:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <02d801c5ef88$5f67b530$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1><025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:15:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > Should not be a problem once the Gallery is officially open. I > thought it might be a bit obvious if I was there with my camera last > night!! As it was I had my little notebook out making lists. Yay! And good point. =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMLQY2W010107 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMLQ15X028339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMLPwD0013101; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:25:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMLPs6J012990 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQD00J1GKUAXLSD@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:25:29 -0500 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am going to be making tomorrow (wed, nov23) one of the black partlets shown in some of AERTSEN's work. Some examples of a painting with some of these partlets is http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/a/aertsen/ (in the ninth, tenth and eleventh paintings down). These partlets seem to be basically exactly the same pattern as the white linen ones worn beneath, so I have a pattern. However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one layer, and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I make them out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have any insight? I make my white linen ones from two layers, though I am thinking of making one with only one layer-it seems like it will be more see though with only one layer, and some of the paintings make it seem like they should be see though sometimes. Thanks to anyone who shares their opinion, I value both theoretical and practical outlooks. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 17:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMMFmvf011919 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMMF2E7034213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMEvkV050045; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMMEmxh049850 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19318 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220421.01d861e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:05:14 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511220402v43146a6ei506ad227963abb51@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> <72adc2660511220402v43146a6ei506ad227963abb51@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 12:02 22/11/2005, you wrote: >Oh, want! Suzi was it recreation or was it extant... I'm a little >confused. BUT if it is extant then add it to my list of things to >"visit" in June. ;> >Happy dance. >Bridgette, historic knit junky >btw, reeled silk shouldn't shrink or full > >On 11/22/05, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > > Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, > > probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could > > probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was > > fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, > > even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks > > like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very > > small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and > > cannot remember then name of the stitch! Oh, no these are all real - the recreations had not yet reached the gallery, including my gable headdress! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 17:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMMFmfK011918 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMMF2qZ034212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMEvlD050047; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMMEm6h049841 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19306 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:03:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 00:17 22/11/2005, you wrote: >At 04:00 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: >>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the >>Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! > > >Thanks Suzi for sharing this info. I really have to get to Great >Britain someday... I really do. > >But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for >both the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such >images, like a book or catalog or online? As far as I know there are no images of the frames anywhere, but I will ask next time I am in the Museum for research - next week actually. Face to face with the curators is always better than mailing or phoning. The Museum is totally accessible as there are lifts all around at street level, and the Museum itself is on only two levels, with lift access to both, to the best of my knowledge. Most of the cases are easily viewable from a wheelchair I would guess. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 17:35:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMMZLvR012535 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:35:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMMYxjk036716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMYvNH065957; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMYoQV065794 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1513A1FD for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:34:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:35:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com J Schueller wrote: > However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one layer, > and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I make them > out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have any insight? > I made one of a pants weight black wool and just hemmed the edges. It is quite warm and toasty as just a single layer. I was sweating in it indoors, but comfortable on a sunny February afternoon outside. It's my belief that the black ones were outdoor or winter wear, and the white ones for indoors or better weather, and the sheer ones for 'best' wear. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 18:55:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMNt8j5014928 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMNrXBk046246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMNrScU022712; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMNrLfi022553 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQD00DQQROQQ9GF@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:53:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:53:21 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question In-reply-to: <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4383AF71.1040503@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks a good point Dawn. And I am making the partlet out of this outragusly great and wonderful black wool that my mom got for some suits. I made the stuff for her, and just *happened* to have some left over. when i got the fabric i had to roll around in it, it was so wonderful. Actually, I really sweated the placement of pieces because the fabic was like $30 a yard-worth every penny, but not something I would normally buy. > > J Schueller Says: > >> However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one >> layer, and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I >> make them out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have >> any insight? >> > Dawn Says: > I made one of a pants weight black wool and just hemmed the edges. It > is quite warm and toasty as just a single layer. I was sweating in it > indoors, but comfortable on a sunny February afternoon outside. > > It's my belief that the black ones were outdoor or winter wear, and > the white ones for indoors or better weather, and the sheer ones for > 'best' wear. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 21:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN2HvWw019213 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN2HLcx060624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN2HGgo001431; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web60913.mail.yahoo.com (web60913.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAN2HDMF001375 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmcsaveney@yahoo.co.nz) Received: (qmail 856 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 02:17:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.nz; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MWKzacxEiIt92JQjYoxcLejDCnMuuv7O6b5/0mtHGLCdJnKeatPFDOD/WJbZ4PMFnjUhw+T+83fkyRUDhKLRBUEf2O0qhwKctjL06d7bpgGf0zc2qPOUGovPDQsFRzirfvGLIuSMACBJUd/J1pgO5bmmmFROQvnIohgOU7/4k4g= ; Message-ID: <20051123021708.854.qmail@web60913.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [150.203.89.87] by web60913.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:17:07 NZDT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:17:07 +1300 (NZDT) From: Jenny McSaveney Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In case it hasn't made the rounds here yet, the BBC has some pictures up of a couple of the artifacts from the new Gallery: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm for the start of the sequence. #4 has a child's knitted mitten and vest from the 1500s. Short on actual info, but still some good pictures. More info direct from the Museum website (http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/ and follow the links), with the medieval gallery press release (pdf) at: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/images/MedievalPressPack.pdf Lots of detail there... Jenny (who will go back to lurking now) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 21:41:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN2fpeJ019944 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN2fYvI062664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN2fWVg013448; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN2fRVL013396 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m14.in-tch.com [216.166.191.14]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAN2Xvk15936 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:33:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005a01c5efd8$55760720$0ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer><43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:48:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com A "Flemish" is on my list of to-do projects for next year's tourney season, and I've been figuring that I'd line my outer (black) partlet with a medium-weight linen, if only to give my black wool a bit more body than it already has (it's a fairly fine suitweight worsted). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question > J Schueller wrote: > > > > However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one layer, > > and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I make them > > out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have any insight? > > > > I made one of a pants weight black wool and just hemmed the edges. It is > quite warm and toasty as just a single layer. I was sweating in it > indoors, but comfortable on a sunny February afternoon outside. > > It's my belief that the black ones were outdoor or winter wear, and the > white ones for indoors or better weather, and the sheer ones for 'best' > wear. > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 22:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN3Ojed021237 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:24:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN3OFhY065556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN3O6E6033842; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN3O4RR033752 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pool-71-245-161-59.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[71.245.161.59]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20051123032352013002knebe>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:23:35 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. (I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, but... :-) -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 00:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN56kes024287 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN56AbQ073739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN566Q4080819; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN561aI080775 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.52] (acty1052.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.52]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A1F5C5F0 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:06:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:05:54 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi. Pg 228 of Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's article "Wound Wire and Silver Gilt" in Oxbow Monograph #98 shows the wire from the headdress that I believe you are talking about. The full title of the book is "The Age of Transition; The archaeology of English culture 1400-1600" Hope this helps, Mike T. >> >> >> But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for both >> the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such >> images, like a book or catalog or online? > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 00:10:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN5AQIo024407 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN5ACFW073974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN5ACsA082534; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN5A9ii082232 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005112305092901400lslbne>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:09:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:08:37 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I haven't achieved as much as I want to on this, so I need to ramp it up! I have made some final decisions, after finding enough portraits which I believe support my beliefs for this project at this time and place (I may be wrong, but this is research in progress) =) 1. No farthingale - just a stiffened petticoat, a pleated undergown and a pleated overgown should give oomph enough 2. No corset - bodice lined with canvas and I'm not going to bone it since I don't need THAT much support and the stiffened stomacher should provide the appropriate front line. 3. Using a 2 kirtle setup - as in the Cecilia Heron picture, pinned stomacher on outermost gown as in the Jane Seymour 4. French hood 5. Using my existing cotton chemise because it's made and it has an authentic (square) neckline - http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/elinorsalter/tudor%20project/ren_chemise.jpg I still haven't made it to the fabric district, but I need to know how much fabric I'll have to buy first. I'm still thinking about using a deep red cotton velvet, simply for the look. This is going to be for a Yule event and for fancy events like Coronations. I'm going to do silk taffeta for the turnback sleeves, to achieve the color and the stiffness depicted. This fabric is the the frontrunner for my forepart and false sleeves. If I can find something just as pretty in a more authentic fabric in the meantime, I will grab it. I can get this for as low as $10/yd, maybe less depending on the combination of sale & coupon in effect at the time. I don't know how much of it I'll need though. http://www.hancockfabrics.com/jump.jsp?itemID=11212&itemType=PRODUCT As for progress, I've designed a bodice using the vertetsable website instructions and it's in the process of fitting (using canvas as the toile which will become my lining), with my husband's help. I'm not sure how far the armscye needs to come down. I'm also not sure whether or not I need it this complex (i.e. 3 pieces) but I can always sew pieces together when I transfer my final pattern back to paper. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/elinorsalter/tudor%20project/tudor_bodice_pieces.jpg - before fitting I have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the More family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is side-lacing period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying to find images from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, particularly of lower-class dress but I'm having little success. My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored pieces (like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a patterns). I want to take an authentic bent so I've been scouring portraits but I just can't tell and I need to figure this out NOW so I can purchase fabric, hopefully this weekend. I do remember one earlier portrait (from Spain?) showing a tapestry fabric kirtle pieced as in an Alcega gored pattern. And what proportions should I do it in? Do I just figure out an appropriate circumferance for the hem and take up the rest in pleating? I'm a little leery of doing that since I have 50" of waist to deal with and I need plenty of fabric to pleat at the back as in the style of the Holbein back view sketch. Thank you for all the previous help. I didn't reply to everyone because of that nasty virus I got that week, but all of your help has gotten me to this point, which is more advanced than I've ever inched to before. -- Elinor Salter Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 01:18:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN6I3GR026393 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:18:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN6G6V7079281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6G3sI011319; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAN6Fwti011240 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 84804 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 06:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 06:15:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:13:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> References: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 03:23 23/11/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) As far as I remember, the stocking foot is Italian mid 1500's, and the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 01:19:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN6J7fv026439 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:19:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN6IaAg079646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6IaqR012448; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6IWwL012408 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D1A51708 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:18:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:18:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) In-Reply-To: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 09:08 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: > have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the > undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the More > family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is side-lacing > period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying to find images > from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, particularly of > lower-class dress but I'm having little success. > >My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? >I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored pieces >(like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a patterns). I >want to take an authentic bent so I've been scouring portraits but I just >can't tell and I need to figure this out NOW so I can purchase fabric, >hopefully this weekend. I do remember one earlier portrait (from Spain?) >showing a tapestry fabric kirtle pieced as in an Alcega gored >pattern. And what proportions should I do it in? Do I just figure out an >appropriate circumferance for the hem and take up the rest in >pleating? I'm a little leery of doing that since I have 50" of waist to >deal with and I need plenty of fabric to pleat at the back as in the style >of the Holbein back view sketch. Some quick thoughts. http://costume.dm.net/fabuse.html is a website that details amounts of fabrics used for 16th c. women's clothes. I just happened to be reading it as your question came over the list. It might help you. On the kirtle (undergown) and how it fastens, that's something I am trying to determine as well. The Cunningtons in _Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century_ mentions "Fastened down the front to waist invisibly, probably by hooks and eyes. Occasionally buttoned or laced." They also mention stomachers (1516/1517) and placards (1547) that are suitably vague enough to maybe covering the actual fasteners under the gown. Most images I have seen are not detailed enough to know for sure what was done under the gown. As to the amount of fabric for the skirt to pleat in the back, if you have even two panels of 45" material, you will have more than plenty to pleat at the back in that style. I really wouldn't go with more fabric, and may even consider doing less. It might be something you might want to drape onto a form and see what gives you the right look. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 01:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN6Jat8026455 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN6JKo8079748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6JJFt012821; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6JFYS012775 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DEA34D6F for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:19:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051122221853.03745d80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:19:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 09:05 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi. Pg 228 of Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's article "Wound Wire and >Silver Gilt" in Oxbow Monograph #98 shows the wire from the headdress >that I believe you are talking about. The full title of the book is "The >Age of Transition; The archaeology of English culture 1400-1600" Hope this >helps, Mike T. Thanks Mike! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 02:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN7FMVo031403 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN7F2YZ083498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7Ewpb035032; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7EqNM034969 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jAN7Em9v013695 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:14:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123010744.01cc2f88@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:12:25 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello, The last time I was at the MoL, you are not allowed to take photos unless you have express permission from the curatorial staff and have signed the appropriate waivers. This is a fairly new policy that had been instituted while they were doing all that work in the museum a year or two ago. One of the curators told me their main reason was to gain copyright control over the spread of the images and the quality of the images being passed around. Too many people were taking pictures on their trips there and slapping them on their websites, or even publishing them, without consulting the museum so to put a stop to this, they stopped allowing general photography. Cheers, Danielle At 08:02 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >At 13:50 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, >>can I beg photos? >> >>Please? >> >>pretty please! >> >>alex >> >>Suzi Clarke wrote: >> >>Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, >>probably Italian. > >As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to >mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and >will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 02:22:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN7Mrgv000851 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN7JwHU083878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7JvT3037108; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:19:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7JruQ037080 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jAN7HQgv019137 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:17:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123011337.01cbb080@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:15:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 04:03 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >At 00:17 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>At 04:00 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: >>>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the >>>Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! >> >>Thanks Suzi for sharing this info. I really have to get to Great >>Britain someday... I really do. >> >>But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for >>both the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such >>images, like a book or catalog or online? > > >As far as I know there are no images of the frames anywhere, but I >will ask next time I am in the Museum for research - next week >actually. Face to face with the curators is always better than >mailing or phoning. > >The Museum is totally accessible as there are lifts all around at >street level, and the Museum itself is on only two levels, with lift >access to both, to the best of my knowledge. Most of the cases are >easily viewable from a wheelchair I would guess. > >Suzi They are completely accessible, and they used to, and I'm sure they still do, have motorized wheelchairs available to make the museum more accessible to patrons. All the cases were clearly visible from wheelchair height. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 02:42:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN7g7lu005846 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN7OCrm084175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7OAxh038657; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7O7nZ038630 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:24:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jAN7MlZ8010060 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:22:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123011911.01cbab60@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:23:37 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> References: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com There are a number of very clear references to knitted items in the Henry VIII inventories, many of them are much earlier than you think. There are plenty of references in other sources as well. Including one I have found which has King Henry ordering twelve pairs of "knytt hosen" for his sister-in-law sister the Princess of Castile, in May of 1510. Cheers, Danielle At 09:23 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) > >-Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 05:19:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANAJiUW010006 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:19:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANAJ1E5005720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANAIuTf008319; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANAIqYK008279 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQE00AGRKN8BL5K@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:18:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:18:44 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise on another list... Thanks, Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:13 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question At 03:23 23/11/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) As far as I remember, the stocking foot is Italian mid 1500's, and the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 05:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANAZGFu014988 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:35:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANAYUw4009933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANAYSn7014489; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANAYOXX014412 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92286 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 10:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 10:34:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123103114.01d85790@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:34:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 10:18 23/11/2005, you wrote: >Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but >English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , >please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise >on another list... > >Thanks, >Dame Catriona MacDuff There is a garter, (don't remember the date) but I think it is made of wool fabric. It appears to be tied and to have a fringe made from the slashed edge of the fabric. I feel that it is actually displayed upside down, and would have been worn with the fringe hanging down, not sticking up, but that is a personal opinion. It would be difficult, though not impossible, to display it the other way up. But what do I know - I'm only the practical one who makes these things!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 06:01:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANB1ern019024 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:01:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANB0VLF014610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:00:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANB0QKd024556; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANB0MU4024463 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261F6D826A for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29741-10 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD502D8263 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007501c5f01d$1189f9a0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1><025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub><6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1><037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer><43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> <4383AF71.1040503@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Schueller" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question when i got the fabric i had to roll around in it, it was so > wonderful. >> I'm so glad I'm not the only one who does that.... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 06:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANBIBnV021586 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:18:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANBHhgG015525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBHf2S031317; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBHbsl031264 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051123111731.HBZR18790.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:31 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.166.24]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051123111731.ZVBV22512.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:31 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.5/178]); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:34 +1300 Message-ID: <012301c5f01f$80d39710$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:34 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > 1. No farthingale - just a stiffened petticoat, a pleated undergown and > a pleated overgown should give oomph enough I didn't catch what dates you are looking at. The later styles are very conical and often have skirts fitted smoothly over the front of the hooped skirt. I had a look in my deleted emails, but I seem to have completely lost the first post... sigh. If you are looking at later then hooped skirts are the only thing that will give that shape (escept maybe layers and layers of netting.... layers and layers and layers..). For earlier (Jane Seymore, Margaret Tudor etc etc) then a supportive underskirt is probably better. > 2. No corset - bodice lined with canvas and I'm not going to bone it > since I don't need THAT much support and the stiffened stomacher should > provide the appropriate front line. I would make sure you can add boning at a later date, simply because I know from personal experience of "not needing much support" that I won't conform to shape unless I do somehting more drastic;) I had a really good example at the end of September when I wore my Victorian corset laced as close as it can. My shape was suddenly ideal for the period (it lowered my waistline considerably). Same with my effigy stays for my 1560 Spanish gown. Is there anything in Corsets and Crinolines from this period? I was focused post 1550 when I last looked at the book. And the Richard III society has privy purse accounts from before 1510 (canvas is mentioned for upperbodices.) > 3. Using a 2 kirtle setup - as in the Cecilia Heron picture, pinned > stomacher on outermost gown as in the Jane Seymour I have some nice close ups of two of the Jane Seymour portraits, and one of a miniature to show the pins quite clearly. http://glittersweet.com/1seymorebodice1.jpg http://glittersweet.com/1seymorebodice2.jpg http://glittersweet.com/2seymore1.jpg http://glittersweet.com/2seymore2.jpg http://glittersweet.com/holbainsmall.jpg Lovely typo in his name.. sigh. > I have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the > undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the More > family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is side-lacing > period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying to find images > from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, particularly of > lower-class dress but I'm having little success. I'm pretty sure one of the vasquina y cuerpo baxo (skirt with bodice) patterns in Alcega has the front and backs cut on the fold so that the only way to fasten it is at the side seams, which are only slightly shifted to the back. My book is buried in my sewing room with no chance of rescue tonight. > My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? > I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored pieces > (like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a patterns). Looking at the skirts in Alcega and Patterns of Fashion I'd use a gored pattern with a wider back skirt section to allow for pleats at the back. The rounder the waist is cut and the wider the side seam angles the more flare you'll get. You are probably going to do well adapting Eleanora di Toledo's skirt. It's got a nice drape without too much skirt flare. The train can be cut shorter if needed. michela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 22/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 06:57:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANBuxu3000966 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:56:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANBuVb2017621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBuQPF046716; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBuOrX046690 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s7so1227289wxc for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kCJza8Z6yn0u6JmYwtgEKVDKqhEJQ2NmPeCKE1fFeCj34+rR4Ee7Lx2S4nWpoEaUAPRJjScuH3M8Rf3SMyGu6i9vHufsKBFad5awm2/rnIDajp0Gv92KpLqp9IshFy8v3C7ATKbjROtFNS73dGzCpF8dMfLw7AlN+LqGEDwDUGo= Received: by 10.65.186.13 with SMTP id n13mr5785145qbp; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511230356p1663e7fck9f29cf6b2ebb042c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:56:23 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANBuOrX046690 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dame Catriona... Hey there... I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. Sincerely, Mari / Bridgette On 11/23/05, monica spence wrote: > Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but > English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , > please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise > on another list... > > Thanks, > Dame Catriona MacDuff > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCH1nE003898 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCFlsr019415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCFj1C055593; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCFfHH055519 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jANCFZ507552.; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:15:35 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:15:35 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:15:19 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANCFfHH055519 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> maricelt@gmail.com 23/11/2005 11:56 >>> Dame Catriona... Hey there... I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. Sincerely, Mari / Bridgette ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCRYcP004173 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:27:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCQP8W020201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCQNkp060441; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCQLXD060408 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so1270324wxd for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Be6krQcr7CXrFLd6ITQfGluRgs4rIDpCixWOdvnpnP9T7MRgkBUgCFF8WoYZ6fbkyUtIIknxMMJ2atcgguySoXyjz+kzc1/0nPaSOHqYR8eOKLt8fhR3zXiioubBTqst6KV+ZXeHAabp+2PgC5hRVeydNvgbaMMEfJZlczm4BGY= Received: by 10.65.230.13 with SMTP id h13mr5758587qbr; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511230426v257cffe1r97cb559ce5671d50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:26:21 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANCQLXD060408 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On 11/23/05, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! Hey Kate - It is indeed possible. Most of my research is in the pre-1600 time frame, so that is the only area on which I can comment. I only said I hadn't seen any, not that they didn't exist. :> I would be very interested to learn when they were common. And please - if you know of anything, or find anything do share. I would very much like to learn more. Thanks, Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCYbTj004324 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCYI6Q020747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCYFBm063965; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vhost1.itasca.net (IDENT:ewiRK9XPa/VtvOMVZHvVKUG+J2WzS9cb@vhost1.itasca.net [12.157.198.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCYDAR063929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ynes@sskip.net) Received: from ip70-174-134-100.dc.dc.cox.net ([70.174.134.100]:50508 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by vhost1.itasca.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.42 and XAMS 0.0.13) id 1EetpF-0002Q8-9d for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:34:13 -0600 Message-ID: <438461C7.100@sskip.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:34:15 -0500 From: Ynes Garcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 7b21b02a064dd0d2d3b43ad98ccd3150 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kate M Bunting wrote: >Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > My theory on that is that garter stitch refers to a chunk of stitching that's above the garter and keeps the stocking from falling through better than a rolling edge does. And a small section of garter stitch at the top of the stocking does do this very well. This is only a theory and is based entirely on the fact that it works and not on historical evidence. - Ynes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCtGrn004803 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCspME022016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCsn0e073405; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCslj5073387 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:54:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so1266609wra for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:54:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c4Tsd4olou3ZXtsHZK6jIBnqLulz8/nZttGhkBmLheoJOHGjzHLg+85vBT1psPMM+n044g7LyJRnDIagq7UEVyqqAfv/ZM4IgHUADBeq3v8VVFNnRougDfxcf9PicImJIQvrGrP8wfa/WzfDLxVlMbOF4CaPBoZUGs8qOmMiCOg= Received: by 10.64.201.14 with SMTP id y14mr5776657qbf; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:54:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511230454ie9ab2f5wdf7305ce2e19b0a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:54:46 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: <438461C7.100@sskip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <438461C7.100@sskip.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANCslj5073387 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ynes! Hey there... That is an interesting idea. And it fits well with the stocking evidence that we do have both painted, extant and written. Hmmm... an elegant solution. Thank you. You've given me something to think about. :> Mari / Bridgette On 11/23/05, Ynes Garcia wrote: > My theory on that is that garter stitch refers to a chunk of stitching > that's above the garter and keeps the stocking from falling through > better than a rolling edge does. And a small section of garter stitch > at the top of the stocking does do this very well. > > This is only a theory and is based entirely on the fact that it works > and not on historical evidence. > > - Ynes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:01:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANE1Z4Z006628 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANE0p6f028286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANE0ke1011420; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:00:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANE0gJi011258 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 48648 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 14:00:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=do8i9hSpxUzT3d9oNTe1gvTaUYtk0hcqWadvWKLV0A1Dpt51P9difpKmy9ZZpGktBzl4vUbk7NTC/PLKUFSJv1koQX6TN59kYqwFvcrUNsLStfXQ1PgL0SD4iI1sUPArfbarM8yVfibsRKQguJFcBsaV6x3SXu/VU1ovUM2uQJw= ; Message-ID: <20051123140035.48646.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:35 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123010744.01cc2f88@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com That's interesting, since in June of this year I was at the Museum of London and took many pictures while there and no one said anything. I don't know that there was a change in policy or they were being lax in enforcing it. I certainly wasn't hiding that I was taking photos. alex Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: Hello, The last time I was at the MoL, you are not allowed to take photos unless you have express permission from the curatorial staff and have signed the appropriate waivers. This is a fairly new policy that had been instituted while they were doing all that work in the museum a year or two ago. One of the curators told me their main reason was to gain copyright control over the spread of the images and the quality of the images being passed around. Too many people were taking pictures on their trips there and slapping them on their websites, or even publishing them, without consulting the museum so to put a stop to this, they stopped allowing general photography. Cheers, Danielle At 08:02 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >At 13:50 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, >>can I beg photos? >> >>Please? >> >>pretty please! >> >>alex >> >>Suzi Clarke wrote: >> >>Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, >>probably Italian. > >As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to >mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and >will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANECcOr006961 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANEC3wt029163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:12:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEC22T017656; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEBx0q017589 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4384792C.4000902@msn.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:14:04 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 14:11:53.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAFCDF40:01C5F037] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have made several of these in both black and white. I line the black wool ones in black linen and the white ones with self fabric. I am trying to remember where I saw it, but there is a painting/drawing of a woman with a black partlet and red lining. It might have been a Breughel, but most of those collars aren't like this...my brain remembers that it was an allegorical painting of woman riding a horse or something?? Maybe when the rest of me wakes up I will be able to put my finger on it. Oh and if any of you decide to make the pointy Breughel ones, I know where to get the reproduction dresshooks..... :) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANEPgYK007247 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:25:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANEPGsk030155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEPDmW024659; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEP100024591 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m30.in-tch.com [216.166.191.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jANEHVk19001 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:17:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c5f03a$9f58e620$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1><20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051123010744.01cc2f88@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:31:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com They also weren't allowing photography in 2002, when I went over there, and then later that year, apparently they were. The policy seems to change often, which I guess, for us, means hope for the best and plan as best as you can (getting permission, etc.). --Sue, who remembers some guy being dumb enough to try it while she was there, and he was using a flash on his camera, and boy, did that bring the security guards..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London > Hello, > > The last time I was at the MoL, you are not allowed to take photos > unless you have express permission from the curatorial staff and have > signed the appropriate waivers. This is a fairly new policy that had > been instituted while they were doing all that work in the museum a > year or two ago. One of the curators told me their main reason was > to gain copyright control over the spread of the images and the > quality of the images being passed around. Too many people were > taking pictures on their trips there and slapping them on their > websites, or even publishing them, without consulting the museum so > to put a stop to this, they stopped allowing general photography. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANESwMO007330 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANESU12030482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANESUTu026472; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANESRCX026386 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80267 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 14:28:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JmZUCyqdXzdTYDB6tPgMK9evZ5TMUqn6I0D0HLi6Epx+73JjsWn/w7TASTk77iT21LcDep+FZVd5W52opAzhHk8rXO5nv/dmTSsnPBWa1hL3DahISP3xQRasQeX47YqOfx5pYqUouqQuDqSTkC9S76w+EzHQHZdlf4Ei31UWGeM= ; Message-ID: <20051123142822.80265.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:28:22 PST Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511230715.jAN7F1td035069@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: new exhibit in Charlotte, NC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you are interested in 18th and 19th century stuff. The MInt Museum in Charlotte, NC has just opened a new gallery devoted to costume. I went last night on free night, and was really really suprised. They don't have a lot, but it is very nice for sucha a small area. If you are in the area, you should go...especially because there is not much security in the gallery. you can get your snout right up the the things! I mean right up. This facet of the exhibit probably will not last long. A lovely big paisley shawl spread 1 inch (yes that's right 1 inch) from the edge of a platform is neat to look at but too, too much of a temptation. Last year I nearly had apoplexey whan a early teens child who was touring a gallery poked a 1600's floral still life with a pencil eraser and was going after it with a finger. I 'm afraid I was not politically correct when I yelled, DON"T DO THAT!" Ahh, life in 2005. The exhibit: and this is a 30,000 foot overview, I can't remeber all the details: Stuff out where you an really see it and touch it if your bad. 1. a mid 1700s Robe ala Francaise - That white and pink silk pattern that you see sometimes in heavier modern upholstery fabric. Pink strips alternating with white and multicolored floral sprigs on the white. The stomacher that buttons 2. a later 1700s robe ala Francaise, red silk, figured, matching peticoat, polonaised up. Front had robings I think. 3. a later 1700s gown of spitalfileds silk, beige-ish background, back, en foreau. repro petticoat. 4. Many english court suit, 1700s, reputedly worn at Marie Antoinette's wedding. beige. lots of sparkly things attached. 5. A Stunning black silk mens suit. English or New england-ish, according to the label. They used reporduction blonde lace on the cuffs and for the neckruffel. Suit is georgueos, use of blonde ??? I would have used really fine white linnen...It's more Republican 6. a womans silk jacket, tied in from with ribbons and quilted aqua silk petticoat, late 1700's, with a strange "fichu" tucked into the neckline of the jacket. It had a drawstring around the neck that I have never seen before this early. Looks to me like a later chemisette, but whatever. the rest of the collection goes up to the late 1900, but I've gone on long enough Down side. Curator is on art history side of the costume coin. He uses repops for many shoes, laces, and accessories. I recognize the new. Much of the stuff is bought from reputable dealers and is not from the Charlotte, NC area. I wish he had displayed some of the regional stuff that started the collction., alot of the local families donated some of their things. You could have got a good idea on what was going on in the area. And I agree with 95% of what he has done and described. I will try to get pictures and better distrciptions. 18c Mia in Charlotte Town, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANEVm52007404 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANEUWlK030674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:30:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEUUrv027634; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEUP27027585 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m30.in-tch.com [216.166.191.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jANEMtk20144 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:22:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002e01c5f03b$60575500$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> <72adc2660511230356p1663e7fck9f29cf6b2ebb042c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:37:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com We've discussed it over there, as well. Despite the (current) knitting nomenclature including the phrase "garter stitch," I don't recall anyone on the h-knit list coming up with examples of actual garters made from that stitch (or other knitting). At least, certainly not pre-17th century European. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question > Dame Catriona... Hey there... > > I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of > inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that > doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in > about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the > historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. > Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll > certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. > Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. > Sincerely, > Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 14:45:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANJjn74025824 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:45:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANJiQwM063957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANJiHrg071357; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANJi9SE071129 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pool-71-245-161-59.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[71.245.161.59]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005112319435701400l2oume>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:43:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4384C687.3040600@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:44:07 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511231425.jANEPFkK024698@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511231425.jANEPFkK024698@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:knit clothing dates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Interesting... though I know I've been told a few times that he had no knit hose in his own wardrobe, only woven and sewn. I know that there was very fine knitting done in both 'Germany' and Italy at the time (especially Germany), and wouldn't be surprised to see those thing imported a bit. I'm trying to figure out a vague English knitting timeline in my head still. I know the Monmouth caps type knitting was around in the late 1400s, and that by Elizabeth's reign knitting women were relatively common (as were knit hose knit *in* England)... but I've not seen anything about anything other than the caps in between, or anything on when finer knitting was introduced and caught on in the country. Ever curious, -Elisabeth >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > > >There are a number of very clear references to knitted items in the >Henry VIII inventories, many of them are much earlier than you >think. There are plenty of references in other sources as >well. Including one I have found which has King Henry ordering >twelve pairs of "knytt hosen" for his sister-in-law sister the >Princess of Castile, in May of 1510. > >Cheers, >Danielle > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 15:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANKA2kn026607 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:10:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANK4Hbv067661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANK4FEo087776; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANK4BWd087715 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.143]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 40D635EE06D for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:04:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5f069$17845cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:04:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi the list. I went to an opera with the oldest opera ever performed, Monteverdis Olysses. Music and orchestra was very impressive but the costumes! I would like to ask you who might makes costumes for stage, why does it have to be modern and artistic? I have the feeling it is an intempt to try to drag more people to come to theaters, that they make the costumes modern and artistic. I am totally disagreable in this, i hate the very guts of those stupid, and tedious scenografers, who destroys my want to go and have a fantastic time, i was so disapointed and i could just as well have gone to a cd shop and buy the opera, and stay home. What are your oppinons about this, why in heavens name dont they make period costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? Bjarne....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 15:31:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANKVUGU027329 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:31:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANKV3p6070195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANKUxpl008336; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANKUsTb008244 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ef1GX-00026M-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <2710553.1132777853859.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:30:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANKUsTb008244 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne, I'm with you on this basically. It seems to me that the music, or the words (in the case of a play), should be seen as part of a whole world being created, and that world also includes what the eye sees--costumes, set, even the actor's gestures. Once in a while a production comes along where the beauty of the language or the music or something in the theme is highlighted by, or given a new focus by, costumes or setting from another time, or from "no" time at all (that is, maybe black slacks and sweaters on all the actors, set made of movable cubes, etc.)--but most of the time when the production designer or director changes the time period of the set and costumes, the music or language sounds odd or the audience is confused or distracted by the changes. I blame a few things. --First of all, it's hard to raise money to do a production if "all" you're planning to do is the show as written. Every time I get ready to direct a Shakespeare play, people ask me "What's your concept?" and they mean, "how are you going to change things to make this different and new?" Investors probably are more eager for that than the general public. --Second, some directors don't consider it very "creative" to just do the show as it was originally conceived by the playwright or composer. They want to make their mark on it. --Third, unfortunately, there's a lot of condescension on the part of the art community toward the general public. A British actor was in residence at Williams College here a few years ago and directed a production of Richard Brinsley Sheridan's The Rivals (1775). I went because I had just done a production of that myself and was curious as to how ours would measure up. Well, I HATED his production--it was "camped up," a broad sex scene was put in, a lot of slapstick and sight gags were added. The audience did laugh a lot, but I and the actors who had come along with me were very disappointed. The show itself is very very funny--it doesn't need all that low comedy thrown in. When I got home I looked at the program and noticed that he had given a talk there at the theater one day, called "Adapting The Rivals for the Modern Audience." So you see he obviously believed that a modern audience wouldn't "get" The Rivals as originally conceived. But I can tell you that the audiences! that came to see MY The Rivals laughed and laughed and said the play was wonderful. They didn't need to be condescended to. Well, I do think that experimenting is a healthy thing in art. But I also think people have to keep in mind what they're doing it for, and also remember that the piece they're working with has been around for a long time without their interference. What a shame that such a rare opportunity to see a Monteverdi opera wasn't used to show the audience what the original experience was really like. This isn't to say that older works of art should be treated like museum pieces, but just that they should be respected in themselves, and audiences should be respected enough to be trusted with them. Well, that's my opinionated opinion, anyway! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Nov 23, 2005 3:04 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Hi the list. I went to an opera with the oldest opera ever performed, Monteverdis Olysses. Music and orchestra was very impressive but the costumes! I would like to ask you who might makes costumes for stage, why does it have to be modern and artistic? I have the feeling it is an intempt to try to drag more people to come to theaters, that they make the costumes modern and artistic. I am totally disagreable in this, i hate the very guts of those stupid, and tedious scenografers, who destroys my want to go and have a fantastic time, i was so disapointed and i could just as well have gone to a cd shop and buy the opera, and stay home. What are your oppinons about this, why in heavens name dont they make period costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? Bjarne....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:09:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANL9cU5028451 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANL9CCj073907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANL989F034911; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANL90kI034788 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.294.65093 (4446) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:08:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <294.65093.30b63464@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:08:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/23/2005 3:05:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: What are your opinions about this, why in heavens name don't they make period costumes ************************************ Well, it depends on the production. The concept, if not period, need not have period costumes. And I assure you the original 17th century production of this Greek myth didn't have period Greek costumes. Or did you mean Baroque costumes....their "modern" version of what they thought the costumes should look like in the 17th century? You see the problem here. I love Monteverdi! My favorite production of "L'Orfeo" [which is actually older than "Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria] that is on film is Jean-Pierre Ponnelle's late 1970's production. It is Baroque with the gods and goddesses dressed in court costume with farthingales and stiff wired collars....but with bits of allegorical stuff....like the words "La Musica" in the spirit of music's hair. Charon looks like a Baroque grotesque off some architectural element. The shepherds look like a dream from a Milton poem. Ponnelle did all 3 of the big Monteverdi operas [the 3rd one being L'incoronazione di Poppea] in this Baroque style. Alas, none of them are on DVD to my knowledge. On DVD is another version of "LOrfeo" dressed in ancient Greek clothing....sorta. It still has ample Baroque elements...especially in the scenery. Great singing too! It's on BBC Opus/Arte with Le Concert des Nations and La Capella Reial de Catalunya doing the music. There's also a great "Ulisse" with Samuel Ramey singing the title role on DVD....but I don't have that one. Anyway... if the production calls for period costumes, then they should have them. If the concept is not to make it look period....the costumes will not be period. The costumes must serve the vision of the director's concept. [My biggest problem with much costuming is, it's just bad... modern or period. Costuming gets no respect in America. They'll hire the Producer's niece to do the clothes because she needs a summer job!] There is a great GREAT version of an opera, "Les Indes Gallantes" [1735] by French baroque composer Rameau on DVD that is fantastic! I love it. It has great respect for Baroque traditions but is completely modern. And a lark. It is light entertainment and the costumes are a hoot....though not truly period....still their roots are evident. They are costumes all the way, but work so well with the concept of the show. There are lots of Baroque stage effects in it: A storm at sea, a volcano erupting....it's great fun! The last act takes place among American Indians! Of course the music is divine! Also on BBC Opus/Arte. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:12:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLCoEk028537 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLB83p074139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLB78E036273; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANL6f6O033168 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:06:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.41.55 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:06:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.41.55] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f069$17845cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:06:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:06:34 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 21:06:37.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAE9FC70:01C5F071] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jANLCoEk028537 why in heavens name dont they make period costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? I think frequently they do modern sets and costumes because it's cheaper. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLLDGw028768 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:21:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLJlAr074920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLJf35041883; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLJY09041735 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051123211928015003e4m1e>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 Message-Id: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides sand or fiberfill? Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:25:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLP4dm028886 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:25:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLOWuZ075515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLOVlC045277; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:24:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLOQAW045163 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28c.4a759e (4446) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <28c.4a759e.30b63800@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:24:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/23/2005 4:11:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bear_janet@msn.com writes: I think frequently they do modern sets and costumes because it's cheaper Not always...especially with big-wig companies. It's more to do with making it relevant to modern audiences. It's why we have films like "Clueless" ...or "Great Expectations" in modern times. Even "War of the Worlds" should take place in 1898. Sometimes it works and sometimes it's misguided. I don't think is a necessity, that's for sure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:32:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLWdJ8029090 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLWLKZ076287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLWIf6050538; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANLWAq5050407 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 1046 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 13:31:17 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 1014, pid: 1017, t: 2.0354s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 13:31:15 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051123133039.030b1eb0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:31:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-Reply-To: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 01:19 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote: >I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., >but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions >besides sand or fiberfill? > >Roscelin I'd recommend wool. If you can get some fleece with some lanolin left in, it helps prevent rust. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:48:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLmN3M029461 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLm4fa077821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLm105061258; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANLlrAW061042 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB2K25DA5Q47VA for (sender ); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:47:15 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LAH8H2S2; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:46:16 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:07:23 -0600 Message-ID: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 1:0:0 X-MAIL-INFO: 50bdf92cbd4149811da5e158a5b839b88908456558b1016dd57de900b9782d21115cf55cdda89518 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn715+yx87/kwmCK8yRahQ7Lh8Ob9mLe0Tpg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi nk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 17:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANM5O5l030213 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANM54CP079467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANM51QJ073066; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANM4tri072917 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 92048 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 22:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4384E784.7080608@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:04:52 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general References: <28c.4a759e.30b63800@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28c.4a759e.30b63800@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/23/2005 4:11:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bear_janet@msn.com writes: > > I think frequently they do modern sets and costumes because it's cheaper > > > Not always...especially with big-wig companies. > > It's more to do with making it relevant to modern audiences. It's why we > have films like "Clueless" ...or "Great Expectations" in modern times. > Even "War of the Worlds" should take place in 1898. > > Sometimes it works and sometimes it's misguided. I don't think is a > necessity, that's for sure. I saw Henry V at Stratford festival in Ontario, Canada many years ago that was done up in Edwardian. I was initally irritated, but then I got into it and it is now one of my favorite theatre memories. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 17:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANMeWCY032698 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:40:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANMdvSL082878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANMdqDZ096813; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANMdmYi096657 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB2K57AA3EMNFA for (sender ); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LAJBGWK9; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:38:05 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:23:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Message-ID: <20051123.143717.1632.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 5:2:540434355 X-MAIL-INFO: 0e241da41d5099145099d5d499d549a90c302094f59530e14dc5f53de19d7935e109915424c924b0d1d5a19924d4 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgg+lfYElyvEsvfsuEZvao9g= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ground emery to keep your pins and needles sharp? Failing that, perhaps cedar shavings? Arlys On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 roscelinlimoges@comcast.net writes: > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., > but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions > besides sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 21:00:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO20ApD007654 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO1xLTN099445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO1xF28099207; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO1xB1N099128 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bf.64bd16d4 (48552) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:59:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: YES Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/23/2005 5:05:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizyoung@fenris.net writes: saw Henry V at Stratford festival in Ontario, Canada many years ago that was done up in Edwardian. I was initally irritated, but then I got into it and it is now one of my favorite theatre memories. *********************** That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. But it worked for that film of Richard III. With these Shakespeare plays, sometimes the actual period doesn't matter. "Three Penny Opera" is supposed to take place at Victoria's coronation....it's even a plot device! But it's usually done in the 1890s....more Jack the Ripper/ Old London-esque. It doesn't really matter....the plot is not as important as the message with Brecht. [I designed it in school and did it 1915...during the War. I did so because of the music, which is Fox Trots and Charlestons.] That 4 hour Hamlet [ I loved it] is done in a militaristic, spy laden turn of the 19th century. Perfect for the atmosphere of the play, really. Not a history though. I've seen "Much Ado About Nothing" [because they need to come back from a war] and "Cosi Fan Tutti" [Because they need to go off to a war] both done during the Civil War. [The "Cosi" didn't work so well. But I love the idea of the saucy, sexy servant, Despina, being a big black Mammy....but they didn't do that in the production.] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 22:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO3cQqd009984 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO3bxUu006788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO3bteE043198; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO3bpUf043111 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQF00K9HWQU04SK@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:37:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:37:42 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-reply-to: <002e01c5f03b$60575500$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks very much for the help! Best Regards- Dame catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question We've discussed it over there, as well. Despite the (current) knitting nomenclature including the phrase "garter stitch," I don't recall anyone on the h-knit list coming up with examples of actual garters made from that stitch (or other knitting). At least, certainly not pre-17th century European. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question > Dame Catriona... Hey there... > > I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of > inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that > doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in > about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the > historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. > Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll > certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. > Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. > Sincerely, > Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 23:38:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO4c6tg011308 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO4bpsT011562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO4bmuu069763; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO4bgpx069727 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BF37CA89 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:42:38 +1100 Message-ID: <1132807358.438544be64d64@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:42:38 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mmm, I'm always impressed by McKellen's Richard III set in a 1930s dictatorship, -C. > That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 02:34:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO7YS0k021969 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:34:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO7Vehd025126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO7VX4O040903; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO7VUTd040845 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005112407312401400370u2e>; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:31:24 +0000 Message-ID: <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:31:04 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kimiko Small wrote: > At 09:08 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: > >> have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the >> undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the >> More family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is >> side-lacing period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying >> to find images from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, >> particularly of lower-class dress but I'm having little success. >> >> My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? >> I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored >> pieces (like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a >> patterns). I want to take an authentic bent so I've been scouring >> portraits but I just can't tell and I need to figure this out NOW so >> I can purchase fabric, hopefully this weekend. I do remember one >> earlier portrait (from Spain?) showing a tapestry fabric kirtle >> pieced as in an Alcega gored pattern. And what proportions should I >> do it in? Do I just figure out an appropriate circumferance for the >> hem and take up the rest in pleating? I'm a little leery of doing >> that since I have 50" of waist to deal with and I need plenty of >> fabric to pleat at the back as in the style of the Holbein back view >> sketch. > > Some quick thoughts. > > http://costume.dm.net/fabuse.html is a website that details amounts of > fabrics used for 16th c. women's clothes. I just happened to be > reading it as your question came over the list. It might help you. > > On the kirtle (undergown) and how it fastens, that's something I am > trying to determine as well. The Cunningtons in _Handbook of English > Costume in the 16th Century_ mentions "Fastened down the front to > waist invisibly, probably by hooks and eyes. Occasionally buttoned or > laced." They also mention stomachers (1516/1517) and placards (1547) > that are suitably vague enough to maybe covering the actual fasteners > under the gown. Most images I have seen are not detailed enough to > know for sure what was done under the gown. > > As to the amount of fabric for the skirt to pleat in the back, if you > have even two panels of 45" material, you will have more than plenty > to pleat at the back in that style. I really wouldn't go with more > fabric, and may even consider doing less. It might be something you > might want to drape onto a form and see what gives you the right look. > > Kimiko I wish that the website could help, but not a lot of women back then were ever my size, at least not any pictured (which is why I like Lady Guildford's portrait - she's plump and she's only a little younger than I am - 27). That's why I was really interested to see the Alcega layout for a "fat woman". Here's what I've found so far for depictions of fastening: Front of overgown tied shut, no depiction of undergown fastening, but is not front-fastened Elizabeth Dauncey, 1526-8, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/dauncey.jpg Cecilia Heron, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cecilia.jpg Margaret Grigg, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb5.jpg More Family, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg More Family, 1593 copy, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/moregirls.jpg Front of overgown widely laced shut, no depiction of undergown fastening, but is not front-fastened Catherine of Aragon, 1509, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/aragon.jpg More Family, 1530 copy, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/lockley.jpg Anne Boleyn?, ?, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Boleyn,Anne03.jpg Overgown with placard/stomacher, probably covering up front-tying, probably attached with pins Jane Seymour, 1537, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg Mrs. Pemberton, 1540, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/pemberton.jpg Front of overgown closely front-fastened, not laced, probably hook-and-eye (see Margaret) Elizabeth Broughton, 1525, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick04.jpg Wife of Thomas Pownder, 1525, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/norris01.jpg Lady with a Squirrel, 1527-28, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holbsq.jpg Elizabeth Payne, 1528, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick03.jpg Portrait of a Woman, 1532-35, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/1532woman.jpg Margaret Marchioness of Dorset, 1541, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/margaret.jpg (possibly) Princess Mary, 1544, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/prinmary2.jpg No visible means of closing gown Woman and her children, ?, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb-fam.jpg Lady Henegham, ?, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/henegham.jpg Mary Tudor, 1514-15, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Tudor,Marysketch.jpg Mary Tudor, 1515, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg Unknown Woman (was Margaret Tudor), 1520, http://www.npg.org.uk/live/OC_Data/images/weblg/0/2/mw04202.jpg Catherine of Aragon, 1525, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cathyold1.jpg Anne Boleyn, 1525-27, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/boleyn1525.jpg Anne Cresacre, 1526-27, http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneCresacre.jpg Lady Guildford, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg Mary Zouch, 1530's, http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/maryzouch.jpeg Margaret Pole, 1535, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Pole,Margaret(CSalisbury)02.jpg Elizabeth Widmerpole, 1536, http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/1536_Widmerpole.jpg Miniature of an Unknown Lady (Catherine Howard), 1541, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/choward.jpg What's going on here (all open-fronts)? Diane de Poitires (by Jean Clouet), http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/QM0KEZ/02-008694.jpg Madeleine d'Astarac (by Jean Clouet), http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/W6NWFJ/02-008827.jpg Marie de Guise (by Lyon), ?, http://tudorhistory.org/people/guise/maryguise.jpg Other artists I plan to investigate active during the Tudor time: Jean Perreal (France), Levina Teerlinc, Hilliard -- Elinor Salter Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 04:30:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO9U6VJ013149 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:30:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO9TYYq033482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9TUun086965; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9TRNn086934 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jAO9TL520400.; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:29:21 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:29:21 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:29:07 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAO9TRNn086934 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yes, I think sometimes a history play is costumed as a later period to make the audience aware of the similarities with the political situation in an era that they're more familiar with (if that makes sense). I remember enjoying the BBC TV Shakespeare production of "All's Well that Ends Well" set in the mid-17th century, with beautiful Vermeer-like interiors and military scenes based on paintings of the period. The only opera I've seen in modern dress was a production of "Aida" at the Brighton Festival, with the male leads in modern military uniform. Radames rather spoiled the effect by wearing his Sam Browne belt incorrectly! I can understand Bjarne's disappointment, but, as AlbertCat points out, should "correct" dress for Monteverdi be authentic classical costume or a reproduction of Baroque theatrical costume? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> stilskin@netspace.net.au 24/11/2005 04:42 >>> Mmm, I'm always impressed by McKellen's Richard III set in a 1930s dictatorship, -C. > That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 04:52:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO9qpCj015121 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:52:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO9qO4P035064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9qMXf095374; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9qIjP095347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0269.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.15]:2417 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EfDm5-0007h7-Ep for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <43858D52.5070803@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:52:18 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - pin cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think sheeps wool is the best stuff for stuffing, has enough natural oil to allow pins and needles to slide in and out easily, and keeps the pins and needles from rusting as well. Fiber fill seems to stop pins from sliding into the cushion a lot of times, but wool doesn't do this. our ancestors used fine saw dust also. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 06:50:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOBojC5006012 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOBoGGM043299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOBoCX9037707; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:50:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAOBo8R7037649 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74933 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2005 11:50:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UHLDYCipknEtOJwQ/UtNZD3takRt/ghwKcGr50nMvY87tpid5WF4Ji1V8O34oAnxa1iPFNi4Cz7LXyX6pR+CGiCXHtawc+5xd7zKzOzuHg3M+ypuJuni8+eVGhjWGJPyoUY7BST97ueZyxUJ8jvyGo9cSp9+k5oZxmjzX5duZr0= ; Message-ID: <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.192.34.230] by web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:50:01 PST Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I > remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) > However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. The BBC has these as 1500's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm assuming these are the same knitted mitten and vest you saw, Suzi, and not a different set. Also, if these are, the vest is knitted?!? I can't tell that from the photograph, and that (16th cen, let alone 14th!) would be excitingly early for a knitted body-garment! Stephanie __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 07:23:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOCNE21013813 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOCMnhD048032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOCMkjw050671; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:22:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOCMiW8050610 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:22:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8645DD8267 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10512-09 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4DB8D8263 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a601c5f0f1$bec715b0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Unspun wool. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historic Costuming" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 07:57:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOCv4QD021536 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:57:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOCuSng056145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOCuQIO065052; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAOCuMOV064988 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 49837 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 12:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 12:56:16 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:56:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? In-Reply-To: <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:50 24/11/2005, you wrote: > > the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I > > remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the >dig.) > > However, I will be making proper notes next week and >will pass them on. > >The BBC has these as 1500's: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm > >assuming these are the same knitted mitten and vest >you saw, Suzi, and not a different set. Also, if >these are, the vest is knitted?!? I can't tell that >from the photograph, and that (16th cen, let alone >14th!) would be excitingly early for a knitted >body-garment! Yes, definitely knitted - I thought they were earlier, but if that is what the Museum has put out for publicity, that will be right. I seem to remember that the mitten and the vest were knitted at roughly the same size of stitches. I will take notes, and pictures if possible, next week when I revisit. In a social situation it was a bit difficult to do more than scribble a few reminders. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 10:31:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOFVoZs025782 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:31:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOFVBbJ079932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFV7Le034479; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFV2Tx034326 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-64-105-26-31.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[64.105.26.31]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2005112415305611300sjrfje>; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:30:56 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051124072356.0206bbe0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:30:54 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re:[h-cost] theater opera costumes in general In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:04:19 +0100 >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Subject: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general >To: >Message-ID: <000a01c5f069$17845cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi the list. >I went to an opera with the oldest opera ever performed, Monteverdis >Olysses. >Music and orchestra was very impressive but the costumes! >I would like to ask you who might makes costumes for stage, why does it have >to be modern and artistic? >I have the feeling it is an intempt to try to drag more people to come to >theaters, that they make the costumes modern and artistic. >I am totally disagreable in this, i hate the very guts of those stupid, and >tedious scenografers, who destroys my want to go and have a fantastic time, >i was so disapointed and i could just as well have gone to a cd shop and buy >the opera, and stay home. >What are your oppinons about this, why in heavens name dont they make period >costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? > >Bjarne....................... The simple answer is innovation. Producers and directors of opera are always trying to be innovative, to bring something new and fresh and different to opera and Shakespeare and classical literature. They can't mess with the words and music, those are set in stone (unless you're Franco Zefferelli who thinks he knows better than Verdi how La Traviata and Othello should end, but that's another story). So the only thing left to them is the production itself - the sets and costumes. I sometimes think that because they =can't= mess with the words and music, they go way overboard with with they can and do change around. If you present a production in correct period sets and costumes you're seen as having no imagination and the rest of the opear/theatre world dismisses you (and likely the rest of your career) as a no-talent hack. The opera world is astonishingly vicious. It may sound ugly, but that's the truth. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 10:48:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOFmGPr026242 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOFlqjp083732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFloZo044783; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFlkUJ044730 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bd.653467da (4459) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:47:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/24/2005 10:32:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net writes: If you present a production in correct period sets and costumes you're seen as having no imagination and the rest of the opera/theatre world dismisses you ***************************** Not exactly. You all seem to forget that period accurate costumes and sets don't always work. They are fine for people interested in history....and even then they may be historically interesting but not dramatically interesting or a service to the production. We live in the 21st century, not the 17th. The only advantage that period interps of period shows have is that they automatically have a legitimate reason for being used with said play or opera or whatever. I just think that period designs have as much a chance at being awful and irrelevant as modern designs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 11:56:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOGu1bG028385 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:56:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOGtUHI089149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOGtR63075837; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFOPQc031306 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAOFOQug003215 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:24:26 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.57.205] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-57-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.57.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOFOGL6150682 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:24:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051124064427.026967b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:45:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-Reply-To: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but >not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides >sand or fiberfill? Bran? Rice husks? I've even used dryer lint. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 11:57:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOGvNkU028466 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:57:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOGuAW7089218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOGuBdV076217; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFuFw7048463 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.103.6dcba97d (18251) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:56:07 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <103.6dcba97d.30b73c97@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:56:07 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Plays and operas in different periods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com For me, a professional costume designer as well as a costume designer in education, it is always more fun to place a well-known play in a different period that the period in which it was written. But I speak selfishly. It needs to be made clear, here that it works best with well-known classics such as Shakespeare, Moliere, or the Greek and Roman plays. If the theme relates well to a different time in history, then it seems to work very well. Even the Shakespearean plays weren't placed "in period" at their time but in a curious mismash of the Elizabethan interpretation of, say, Roman with Renaissance interpretation including doublets and hose. And I think a play or opera from the Baroque period would be great fun if it was designed in the style of the opera costumes of Baroque period, although, as it was pointed out previously, those weren't "period", either, but appear rather strange to the contemporary eye. I have a British director that I design for who always insists on "the period, Darling, of course", without considering the possibilities. So we've had a "Macbeth" in 12th century or so Scotland (fun, anyway because the research was so much fun plus, given that we built 90% of the show a pretty easy time due to the T-shape construction methods of the time). She wanted "Hamlet" in "the period, Darling", but the budget and time constraints wouldn't have allowed for it, so she was talked into an Erte look with Early Jacobean touches. That said, some of the most fun I have had as a designer have been the following plays placed out of period: "Romeo and Juliet"-French Directoire "Measure for Measure"-Antebellum New Orleans "As You Like It"-1960's Hippies vs. Jet Setters "Taming of the Shrew"-California Gold Rush "Pericles"-Vague Gypsy "Midsummer Night's Dream"-An all white court in Renaissance Doublets for the men, pseudo-Greek draperies for the ladies and a host of Punk-inspired fairies (sounds dreadful, but worked very well) I also recall a "Tempest" at Yale back in the '70's which took place on Mars, a "Measure for Measure" at the Royal Shakespeare in Stratford set in the 18th Century (wonderful production), and a very bad "Twelfth Night" at the Young Vic set in the 1930's (it wasn't the costumes which made it bad, it was the stage direction) And I'm sure there are many more that skip my mind as I rattle off this email. Sometimes it's done because time and budget constraints don't allow for the actual period, sometimes because the director wants to "visit" the play in a new play. After it's all over and done, the question to ask is did the chosen play/opera/ballet support the playwright's, etc. original vision? If it didn't, then I would say the choice is not particularly successful. Long post, between bread (rising), pies (in the oven) and stuffing (next on my list) Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans on this list, and Peace on Earth to all of us. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 13:20:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOIKZcW030900 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:20:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOIJwxT096480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOIJqHB016643; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAOIJoHT016605 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 89666 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2005 18:19:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bWljKxGXMgnukp55tH/3WURUFMyLBtX2mDtzqqgRPVaDZ1bIpVlrOkFzcrDXINuERRzqO3hBKG2EzE4WZNua2U8hiRocaij4Hsxs6hVwi6KWeWrn4R+4Z9fbNifq1xGhnplGbfwjuixdocgSWatO0MKSO1/oURcUrMb+e9A3CMo= ; Message-ID: <20051124181945.89664.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:19:45 EST Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc3041269@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Tudor Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This isn't my period per se, but something jumped out at me in this group of sources you have listed. I don't know if you listed them together for the same reason they caught my attention, however I thought I would make the observation. Most of these women are quite pregnant. That I suspect explains the closure oddities. Forgive me for jumping in part way into this thread, I haven't been following it. I have Alcega, which "Fat woman" pattern do you want - there are several. Frankly, they look no different than the not-fat woman patterns. I think its accounting for greater fabric usage, nothing more. The major difference between a large woman and a regular woman, for the most part anyway, is the depth of the armscye. I think most plus women have regular frames which makes their shoulders narrow, but the larger girth (as much as I hate that word in this context) makes it harder to get those curves to meet up. Often I will buy a shirt pattern that fits my shoulders and add in the extra from bust to hip so that the critical fitting is already done. I could be completely off base from the intended topic, so I digress. Interestingly though, because they are pregnant, the lacing is quite wide and appears to be that ladder lacing well known amongst the later era Venetians. One has to wonder if this is the genesis for that style? Having a slightly opened bodice showing the lacing and chemise, suggesting fertility? That style of bodice closure appears in Venice not long after their first round with the plague, they employed any number of visual illusions to imply ample fecundity right about that time. Kathy That's why I was really interested to > see the Alcega layout > for a "fat woman". > > Here's what I've found so far for depictions of > fastening: > > Front of overgown tied shut, no depiction of > undergown fastening, but is > not front-fastened > Elizabeth Dauncey, 1526-8, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/dauncey.jpg > Cecilia Heron, 1527, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cecilia.jpg > Margaret Grigg, 1527, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb5.jpg > More Family, 1527, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg > More Family, 1593 copy, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/moregirls.jpg It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 15:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOKmnsr003106 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:48:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOKmLt0007123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOKmGWq081064; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOKmAcd081016 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EfO0n-000Chp-6V for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:48:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:47:02 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume References: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about "anachronistic low-rise jeans" ! Jean Karen R Bergquist wrote >http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi >nk >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 17:03:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOM37Se005403 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:03:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOM2XFF013454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOM2TFX011571; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOM2P4s011534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-215.sonic.net [209.148.113.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOM2OFA003482 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:02:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43863873.9030800@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:02:27 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume References: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com 1990s are vintage? At least it means most of us can dress in real authentic vintage just by mining the back of the closet. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Vintage Clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Karen R Bergquist wrote > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi >> >> nk > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 17:22:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOMMZ6U006041 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:22:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOMMEtd015005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOMMCF7018875; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOMM73O018830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:22:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-165-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.165]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAOMM5Lp019559 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:06 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi everyone, I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either the top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I used a library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with me to check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or lacing with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 18:26:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAONQbY9008000 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:26:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAONPkvC019867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAONPfRs043438; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAONPbN3043359 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.27e.547c6e (3948) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <27e.547c6e.30b7a5e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:25:26 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: theater opera costumes in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I just think that period designs have as much a chance at being awful and irrelevant as modern designs. Of course they do - bad design is just bad design. Just as good design is good design, whether period or modern. (as an aside, my college costume tutor used to tell a wonderful story about how she'd put bias cut panels into a boned bodice for an opera (the theory being that it would make it easier to take a big breath) when she was a student, and her tutor, (Janet Arnold, no less), made her take it apart and start again, because 'it's wrong, and if you're going to make it historically you should make it properly'.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 19:47:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP0lw0s010384 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:47:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP0lCNM025401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP0l7Dk073683; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAP0l1N7073623 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 32340 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 00:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 00:46:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125004404.01d128f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:46:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 22:22 24/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi everyone, >I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from >Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I >was looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find >is hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my >corset (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my >corset) so has anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short >busk? My thought so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty >hook & eye at either the top or the bottom, but I think I remember >later 19th century corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of >lacing below the busk (I used a library copy of corsets and >crinolines so I don't have it with me to check). If anyone has >experimented with either hooks & eyes or lacing with a busk can you >tell me what worked and what didn't. >thanks >Elizabeth Jean Hunnisett would use hooks and eyes at the top of a short busk, having taped a steel bone to the busk in order to lengthen the support part. I also get my husband to cut a sections from a straight busk (I'm not strong enough) and I tape them to the top of a short busk. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 20:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP1tFL3012306 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP1sq6C029445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP1sjON097544; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP1sf0x097500 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1da.489d71ad (3890) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.489d71ad.30b7c8d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:54:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/24/2005 3:49:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about "anachronistic low-rise jeans" ! ************************ Hahahaha! Or ....black clothes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 21:09:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP29I9q012684 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:09:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP23p6b030046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP23nvR000912; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:03:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP23V9g000791 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.155.5d2da934 (3890) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:03:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <155.5d2da934.30b7cae9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:03:21 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/24/2005 7:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Jean Hunnisett would use hooks and eyes at the top of a short busk, ******************* I put it at the bottom, because if there is a crinkle or lump there because of it, it ends up under the petticoat and skirt. [I might put it at the top for Bustle or later, since there's usually some fru-fru or buttons around the bust area in those periods and the hip area might be fitted and smooth.] I just run a bone long enough to go from top to bottom right next to the busk. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 02:42:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP7gNtU031342 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP7fmoa053198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP7fg4u023099; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP7fb6i023011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Quebelle@web.de) Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id jAP7fVLG022567 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:41:31 +0100 Received: from [213.39.188.230] by freemailng1004.web.de with HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:41:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:41:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1443414663@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Quebelle@web.de To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Precedence: fm-user Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] I am new! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I am from German and look for victorian dressmaking- can you help me? Greetings from Hamburg Yours Silvia Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 03:37:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP8bZFr013205 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:37:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP8b9S6057099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP8b7nl042358; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP8b4OD042322 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804C4BE637 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:36:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:37:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I buy my busks here. http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm They sell the very long busks. I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk was too short and they looked ugly. They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very easy to see. Greetings, Deredere Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from > Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was > looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is > hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset > (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has > anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought > so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either > the top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century > corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I > used a library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with > me to check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or > lacing with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. > thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 04:55:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP9t4hN028335 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP9sU7G063208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP9sQFv067189; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP9sLol067165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:54:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-165-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.165]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAP9sIOU017834 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:54:19 +1100 Message-ID: <000b01c5f1a6$37211fb0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:54:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I looked at Vena Cava but they don't have 1/2 inch spiral boning in pre cut lengths, they only have it in rolls and I don't want to have to cut it up myself as by the time I've bought a decent pair of bolt cutters it would be just as expensive as buying from http://www.corsetmaking.com/ (they have all the pieces I need but it would cost me about $20 more than if I used 1/4 inch boning from vena cava) Hedgehog handworks has everything I want except for the long busk, for about the same price as vena cava (less than $1 difference once I convert it into Australian dollars) Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk > Hi, > > I buy my busks here. > http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm > They sell the very long busks. > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk > was too short and they looked ugly. > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very > easy to see. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from >> Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was >> looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is >> hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset >> (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has >> anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought so >> far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either the >> top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century corsets >> (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I used a >> library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with me to >> check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or lacing >> with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. >> thanks >> Elizabeth >> -------------------------------------------- >> Elizabeth Walpole >> Canberra Australia >> ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >> http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/182 - Release Date: 24/11/2005 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 10:17:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPFHGlV003153 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:17:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPFFIuP006462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPFFEbY091613; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPFFBh6091584 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so1732631wra for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jnrMdPhLoabdoQJZbEhrnPcH6FFnMniAssRA9IdzIp6vbrKT1eamvRlB2UloTE9mX23NJueA8T+faWIgUFcUVpiVwipMYfq6oIylGXKaLJmQkbjhQxC68ZP60X1hDyo1rweydVoveWeFJ6+Vov3ODeI85I6MTM2F8bgszm2HURU= Received: by 10.65.122.18 with SMTP id z18mr8684582qbm; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:15:11 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAPFFBh6091584 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greenberg and Hammer have corset busks as short as 6" and longer ones in 11" 12" 14" and 17" lengths. https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 They also have ones with gold colered studs. Katy On 11/25/05, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I buy my busks here. > http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm > They sell the very long busks. > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk > was too short and they looked ugly. > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very > easy to see. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from > > Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was > > looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is > > hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset > > (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has > > anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought > > so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either > > the top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century > > corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I > > used a library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with > > me to check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or > > lacing with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. > > thanks > > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------- > > Elizabeth Walpole > > Canberra Australia > > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 10:27:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPFRROV003579 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPFR4vW007367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPFR2Kg096925; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAPFQuEl096819 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 99885 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 15:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 15:26:50 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125152408.01d814a8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:26:51 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 15:15 25/11/2005, you wrote: >Greenberg and Hammer have corset busks as short as 6" and longer ones >in 11" 12" 14" and 17" lengths. > >https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 > >They also have ones with gold colered studs. > >Katy > >On 11/25/05, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I buy my busks here. > > http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm > > They sell the very long busks. > > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk > > was too short and they looked ugly. > > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very > > easy to see. Never had any complaints from my customers, but then you can't see that an extra piece has been added. At least not the way I do it. I have some old spoon busks which are way too short, but work fine when I tape the extra piece on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 12:18:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPHIrHJ013723 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:18:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPHIGV4018044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:18:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHIDse052151; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHIAqi052125 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:18:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61E54024C for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb33.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.15ff1 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dh0dSKZmKxwIAAAAB,80ba6e8f0f9ef6d307ca7336a61c0121 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Did you look at Farthingales? http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php They have straight busks up to 16" long, for up to CDN$22.49 ( AUS$26.20 ). I also thought that these are an interesting idea ( new from the last time I had a browse through their site ) - http://www.farthingales.on.ca/lacing_bones.php But, yes, Hedgehog Handworks has a really good price. If you will forgive my asking, how long is the front of your corset? ( Just curious/interested. ) Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 12:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPHdXSn014452 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:39:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPHd6c7020102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHd4Th062610; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHcxkH062581 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309B53FC5E for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb25.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.160d0 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dh0wzu+ZRggIAAAAB,ddec943d9aad1b9506b7cfc86c4b62ce Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051125093859.BAD97571@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com One thing that I found interesting about Baz Luhrman's 'Romeo and Juliet', was that he didn't change the dialogue to modern speech, but kept the language of the original script/play, and after the first realization of the fact that the characters are speaking Elizabethan English, you totally forgot about it - it was just a part of the movie. ( At least, I forgot about it - it just fitted the movie so well. ) Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 13:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPILSU5015939 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:21:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPIKjRS024444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKjGT083218; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKeut083172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jAPICrfN018440 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:12:53 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:12:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:20:38 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger versions of the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - 1500 should download and read the PDF, really. Go here: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closure.asp -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "The result is that Black Friday generally ends up ranking as the fifth biggest sales day of the year at most, behind the four days comprising the two weekends before Christmas." -- Snopes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 13:22:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPIM4V1015972 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPIKNbB024393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKKQV082988; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKGdJ082796 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.238.252c242 (48624) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:20:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/25/2005 12:39:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Joannah@sluggy.net writes: after the first realization of the fact that the characters are speaking Elizabethan English, you totally forgot about it ********************* Horrors! To forget about all that amazingly beautiful language! :-P OK OK....I know what you really meant. But that happens for me even in a period version of Shakespeare. I mean it's just MODERN English after all. It's not Middle or Old English, y'know. Shakespeare rarely used now obsolete words and sometimes, but not THAT much, archaic meanings to perfectly good Modern English words.....and then the meanings are usually perfectly clear via context. The 1st thing to realize is that Shakespeare is not some language unto its own. Just very good and creative English. Getting back to your original notion of "forgetting" the "not conversational" English....IOW being swept along with the idea of it all... This happens in opera too. Like Shakespeare, the word "opera" immediately puts up a wall for a lot of people. It's too high brow to understand! That wall in both cases is an illusion. After you "get" everyone in opera is singing [with supertitles and subtitled film, the language isn't that much of a barrier anymore], that "disappears" too and one just goes with the flow. The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in America anyway, by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts that seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 13:40:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPIetQu016620 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPIeS9e026360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIePF2092708; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAPIeLeU092617 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1239 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 18:40:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:39:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? In-Reply-To: <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: >The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has >many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger >versions of the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, >it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - >1500 should download and read the PDF, really. > >Go here: >http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closure.asp I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great series of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the craftspeople, and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 14:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPJg2pn018647 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:42:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPJeSYN031062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPJePFM021100; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPJeLWL021072 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71641338D1 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] I am new! Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:40:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <1443414663@web.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com For a start, this has become one of my favorite sites. http://www.vintagetextile.com/victorian.htm Victorian is not my field of interest so I will let others who are tell you their sites and tips. De -----Original Message----- Hi, I am from German and look for victorian dressmaking- can you help me? Greetings from Hamburg Yours Silvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 16:06:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPL61q6021575 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:06:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPL5ZXY038863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPL5WZG059923; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:05:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPL5SVb059873 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B6833BB31 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:05:15 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511251820.jAPIKLL9083016@net.indra.com> References: <200511251820.jAPIKLL9083016@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:05:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: high brow stuff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:20 AM -0700 11/25/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from >enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in >America anyway, >by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts that >seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of >their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. And then there are the great Baltimore Opera ads-- "Opera it's better than you think, it has to be..." with some very good graphics as background... ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 19:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ0g1dp028894 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:42:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ0fR2X058937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ0fMaH054255; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51304.mail.yahoo.com (web51304.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQ0fL9I054166 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99340 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2005 00:41:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YhLzIKjHuKYMHMIdYaBcFzCsLSfYQIvYiIxu7WYb6fUn8hgK2tQqlnp1ZoH/Mgt/IYVyyGFyNFctwkzzUgixCxHsDW7d6afCu1esutnID6I6ciU32NPotzLdcJ70TX12H0fm1fdDa3A/P8/gqj9iUZRrMSXWfn/gklDN2IqrpuE= ; Message-ID: <20051126004114.99338.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:14 PST Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you're already looking outside of Australia, may I direct you to Greenberg & Hammer, specifically this item, pop-front busks with silver clasp, from 6" to 17": https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 And compare their boning prices. If you have already purchased your boning, by all means ignore this. Ann in CT Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I was looking for sources of boning and the cheapest > source I can find is hedgehog handworks, but they don't > have busk long enough for my corset (their longest busk > is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) > > Elizabeth __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. 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References: <1443414663@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1443414663@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quebelle@web.de wrote: > > Hi, > > I am from German and look for victorian dressmaking- can you help me? > Welcome. There are many folks here who know Victorian. What are you working on? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 20:29:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ1TI16030476 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:29:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ1T2nS063280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1T12t073959; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1St9M073918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-105-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.105]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAQ1SqEv018094 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:28:54 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:28:46 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk > Did you look at Farthingales? > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php > > They have straight busks up to 16" long, for up to CDN$22.49 ( > AUS$26.20 ). > > I also thought that these are an interesting idea ( new from the last time > I had a browse through their site ) - > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/lacing_bones.php > > But, yes, Hedgehog Handworks has a really good price. > > If you will forgive my asking, how long is the front of your corset? ( > Just curious/interested. ) > > Joannah. > the front of my corset is 19 inches in total (I chose this pattern from Corsets and Crinolines because it was fairly simple but it was long enough that I could do things like Bustle gowns as well as crinoline fashions) so if I leave 1/2 an inch at either end that leaves me with an 18" busk so 16" isn't long enough (though it's 1" longer than Hedgehog Handworks) and they don't have 1/2" wide spiral steels in pre-cut lengths, and I don't want to have to deal with cutting up the boning myself. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 20:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ1hlE5030889 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:43:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ1hMtP064239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1hF5m079785; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1hBL9079740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:43:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-105-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.105]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAQ1h84D014405 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:43:10 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c5f22a$bec5f600$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051126004114.99338.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:43:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk > > If you're already looking outside of Australia, may I > direct you to Greenberg & Hammer, specifically this > item, pop-front busks with silver clasp, from 6" to > 17": > https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 > > And compare their boning prices. > > If you have already purchased your boning, by all > means ignore this. > > Ann in CT > Well, I've got to look outside Australia as to my knowledge there isn't an Australian supplier of spiral boning (I know of one SCA merchant who offers flat steels and I won't see them untill next easter anyway) But Greenberg & Hammer have the same problem as most of the other stores they don't offer 1/2 inch spiral steel in pre-cut lengths, following the advice I seem to read everywhere that if you're above a C cup 1/4 inch steels won't give enough support I'm looking for 1/2 inch steels but I don't want to cut my own, because I'm hoping this will be the only corset I'll have to make with spiral bones, so learning how to apply the tips for one corset would be more trouble than it's worth (not to mention buying a pair of bolt cutters to cut it). Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 21:45:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ2jGI6032727 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ2iinW068743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2ifWI007099; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2iZEC007042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-105-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.105]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAQ2iX26001422 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:44:35 +1100 Message-ID: <004801c5f233$52d4f870$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135><20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl><3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125152408.01d814a8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:44:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk >> > was too short and they looked ugly. >> > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very >> > easy to see. > > > Never had any complaints from my customers, but then you can't see that an > extra piece has been added. At least not the way I do it. I have some old > spoon busks which are way too short, but work fine when I tape the extra > piece on. > > Suzi Suzi, Can you describe the way you attach an extra busk piece, as it must be different to the method Deredere has seen if one is obvious and the other isn't. I'm assuming you would have to use gaffer tape (AKA duct tape) for the strength and I'm wondering how you would get the requisite strength in the join without creating lumps in the finished corset. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 21:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ2q8Zm000467 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:52:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ2pqwt069175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2ppYB009791; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2phHc009732 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-44.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.44]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2005 10:51:37 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <4387CF5E.70003@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:58:38 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk References: <20051126004114.99338.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c5f22a$bec5f600$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <000f01c5f22a$bec5f600$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com There is an Australian supplier - I'm now getting my stuff from them - contact me for details but you'll have to drive to Sydney to look at what you want. Aylwen http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:41 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk > > >> >> If you're already looking outside of Australia, may I >> direct you to Greenberg & Hammer, specifically this >> item, pop-front busks with silver clasp, from 6" to >> 17": >> https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 >> >> And compare their boning prices. >> >> If you have already purchased your boning, by all >> means ignore this. >> >> Ann in CT >> > > Well, I've got to look outside Australia as to my knowledge there > isn't an Australian supplier of spiral boning (I know of one SCA > merchant who offers flat steels and I won't see them untill next > easter anyway) > But Greenberg & Hammer have the same problem as most of the other > stores they don't offer 1/2 inch spiral steel in pre-cut lengths, > following the advice I seem to read everywhere that if you're above a > C cup 1/4 inch steels won't give enough support I'm looking for 1/2 > inch steels but I don't want to cut my own, because I'm hoping this > will be the only corset I'll have to make with spiral bones, so > learning how to apply the tips for one corset would be more trouble > than it's worth (not to mention buying a pair of bolt cutters to cut it). > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 01:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ6YE1d007383 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:34:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ6XZ1w088881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ6XV70094842; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQ6XQ7Z094789 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70007 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 06:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 06:33:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126062247.01d81470@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:32:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <004801c5f233$52d4f870$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125152408.01d814a8@127.0.0.1> <004801c5f233$52d4f870$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:44 26/11/2005, you wrote: > >>> > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk >>> > was too short and they looked ugly. >>> > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very >>> > easy to see. >> >> >>Never had any complaints from my customers, but then you can't see >>that an extra piece has been added. At least not the way I do it. I >>have some old spoon busks which are way too short, but work fine >>when I tape the extra piece on. >> >>Suzi > >Suzi, >Can you describe the way you attach an extra busk piece, as it must >be different to the method Deredere has seen if one is obvious and >the other isn't. I'm assuming you would have to use gaffer tape (AKA >duct tape) for the strength and I'm wondering how you would get the >requisite strength in the join without creating lumps in the finished corset. >Thanks, >Elizabeth I use electrical tape, which is sturdy and much finer than duct tape. I have a collection of old spoon busks which I use, but they are barely 10" long, so my husband cuts a modern busk to make the length I need, making sure that there is as much spare steel as possible below the bottom stud and loop. Then I just bind them together with the tape. It may be a difference in construction technique as well. The corsets I make for VictorianEdwardian are single layer, with the front busk edge and the back lacing edge both faced with the same material (broche). I use twill rape sewn over the seams to hold the bones. I have made corsets for a lady with an FF bust, and still use narrow spiral steels, but use two laid side by side in each tape. This gives plenty of support and means I don't go looking for wider steels. I make corsets all the rime, and have never used wider steels for any of them, no matter what size. Hope this helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 03:52:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ8qRYo024664 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:52:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ8puxZ008050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ8poVn049024; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ8pkG2049013 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3844B54B1 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:51:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051125225434.037592a8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:37:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) In-Reply-To: <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:31 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote: >I wish that the website could help, but not a lot of women back then were >ever my size, at least not any pictured (which is why I like Lady >Guildford's portrait - she's plump and she's only a little younger than I >am - 27). That's why I was really interested to see the Alcega layout for >a "fat woman". Thank you for sharing those resource images. I have seen or have most of them, but a few were new to me. I am also a larger woman (about 20-22 in Women's size) and have had 3 kids, one recently, so I understand the size differences. However, there isn't that much differences in fabric usage in a good layout from a normal woman's size, to a larger one. Well, lets look at Alcega's layouts. Compare Alcega's layouts and fabric requirements in his various garments for a "fat woman". Kirtle of silk for a woman: 6 1/8 x 2/3 ells Silk kirtle for a fat woman: 7 1/2 x 2/3 ells Kirtle of cloth for a fat woman: 2 1/4 x 2 ells Kirtle of cloth rash: 2 x 2 ells (cloth rash has no nap) Kirtle of cloth rash for a fat woman: 2 1/4 x 2 ells In this case, kirtle appears to be a skirt only, not the complete skirt and bodice of earlier times, but different than the Skirt that is shown in a different diagram. Also something I am just noting is that there are layouts for "kirtle and bodice" or "kirtle and little jerkin" for women, but none are shown for fat women. I am not sure why this is. The thing I am leary with looking at Alcega's patterns is that it is for the 1580s, and styles for that time frame are different than the earlier Tudor time frame. I recently got a hold of a book from the library on Spanish garments, Hispanic Costume: 1480 - 1530 by Ruth M. Anderson. Let me look over the images again, and see if there are any insights to be gained from that book. I know I got a lot on the men's garments, especially the bases, but the women's garments appear to be very different than the Tudor style. And I have some of Livinia Teerlinks images, but those were miniatures, and hard to determine what they wore. She also comes into Henry VIII's service in 1546 according to the book I have, so her Tudor minis are going to be a later time frame than you are looking at. I have an image that her father, Simon Benninck (sometimes spelled Bennick or Bening) painted that shows ladies in various outdoor situations wearing Tudor garments (c.1540). There is no visible means of closures on the outer gowns, and he shows both front and back views. They are at the V&A museum, and I have found color images online, but not in any good detail. They also would not be English, but I think Flemish in location. http://66.102.7.104/u/vam?q=cache:bnvSW5a1woUJ:www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11732-popup.html+bening&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 That is one, and I can't seem to find the other right now. Hilliard wasn't born until 1547, so his images will not be helpful for your time frame. I don't know anything about Jean Perreal, so I will check him out as well. hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 07:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQCJ5Nb002529 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:19:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQCISBa031680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCIK2E030069; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCID1j029890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508E1150118 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20902-02-10 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C5CF715005E for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:17:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from > enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in America > anyway, > by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts > that > seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of > their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. Actually, my "opera wall" (tee hee) was caused by living, when I was a child, next door to some opera fans. Not only were they generally unpleasant people, but every evening, they played opera music. LOUDLY. And three seasons of the year, they had their windows wide open, so the whole neighboorhood could "enjoy" their music. I got bettah.. :-) I've loved Shakespeare since the first time I encountered it. One of my most cherished books is the Complete Works of Shakespeare, which my parents gave me for Christmas when I was sixteen. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 07:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQCc5P5005675 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQCbh1N033231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCbfec038473; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQCbcLX038389 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7922 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 12:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 12:37:32 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126122959.01d77780@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:37:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet In-Reply-To: <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 12:17 26/11/2005, you wrote: >>The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from >>enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in >>America anyway, >>by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts that >>seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of >>their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. > > >Actually, my "opera wall" (tee hee) was caused by living, when I was >a child, next door to some opera fans. Not only were they generally >unpleasant people, but every evening, they played opera music. >LOUDLY. And three seasons of the year, they had their windows wide >open, so the whole neighboorhood could "enjoy" their music. > >I got bettah.. :-) > >I've loved Shakespeare since the first time I encountered it. One of >my most cherished books is the Complete Works of Shakespeare, which >my parents gave me for Christmas when I was sixteen. I too love Shakespeare, even though my first experience as a very young child, was watching an all female company "do" Merchant of Venice". I think I must have read Lamb's Tales From Shakespeare, as I waited with trepidation for Shylock to bare "his" breast in the trial scene!! Then my aunt took me to my first RSC production (1952) and I was hooked - we lived in Stratford on Avon, where you either loved it or hated it. And I saw some really weird versions I must say! Also in the winter there were productions of opera, and I mostly loved that, although now I prefer earlier rather than later (Last year was a French production of a Rameau opera date late 17th /early 18th century, with naked people, trampolines, and weeeird costumes, but the music was bliss.) But I cannot get over the ballet "wall", even though I saw Nureyev and Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 07:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQCpt5C009060 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQCpaC7034193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCpYSB043705; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:51:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCpUZm043678 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f557c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.124]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A09C326281A for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:51:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:51:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] question about velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind of velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because many have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and jackets, was that used in 18th century? If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and skirts......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 09:02:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQE2MQr021811 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:02:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQE1vCH039816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQE1sJm071857; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQE1p46071838 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m218.in-tch.com [216.166.191.218]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAQDsJk27557 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:54:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001201c5f292$e1d1d7a0$dabfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:08:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm with Dianne on this one, although my "opera wall" doesn't come with a set of rude neighbors! ;-D I just plain don't like most 19th century music (or a fair amount of 20th century music). I don't have much appreciation for any book or movie or art form that has a lot of over-the-top drama in it. Since I got out of adolescence, I've also not been much of a fan of musicals (liked them as a kid just fine, and there are a few I enjoy now, but it's not something I'll normally spend money on ). I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). The local university's in the middle of working on a production of _Marriage of Figaro_, and I'm going to see that. ;o) --Sue, who's musical prefernces pick up again in the 1960s, with exceptions for composers like Aaron Copeland..... OCC: Currently sorting through in-house wool and linen stash for makings for some 10th c. (western) Norse outfits. What's everyon else doing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays > > > The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from > > enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in America > > anyway, > > by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts > > that > > seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of > > their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. > > > Actually, my "opera wall" (tee hee) was caused by living, when I was a > child, next door to some opera fans. Not only were they generally unpleasant > people, but every evening, they played opera music. LOUDLY. And three > seasons of the year, they had their windows wide open, so the whole > neighboorhood could "enjoy" their music. > > I got bettah.. :-) > > I've loved Shakespeare since the first time I encountered it. One of my most > cherished books is the Complete Works of Shakespeare, which my parents gave > me for Christmas when I was sixteen. > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 09:31:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQEVXKF022910 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:31:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQEVCvl042461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEVBDR083578; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEV6aV083502 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.129.6a25dbad (57317) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <129.6a25dbad.30b9cb99@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:30:49 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Opera and ballet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/26/2005 9:02:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic? ******************* He's "Classical"....with Haydn and Beethoven. And there are lots of Baroque and Classical operas. My faves too. I like the stylized, non-realistic approach of these operas. "Le Nozzi di Figaro" is my fave. But I also like a lot of 19th century fare. Who doesn't like Rossini? Verdi is awfully good...well can be. Of course one can do a dreadful production of a great opera, y'know. And I must admit that "Die Valkure" is a lot of "fun" in that melodramatic way. But you really have to prepare for Wagner. It must be remembered that when people say "I don't like opera", it's like saying "I don't like cheese". There's a million different kinds!!!!! Four centuries worth. "L'Orfeo" is nothing like "Wozzek"! Both are great in their own way. And.... was it Suzi who didn't like Ballet? But you loved Rameau? About 1/3 of his operas ARE ballet! I love ballet but I admit I go for those Balenchine no costume/ no sets pieces to great music. "La Sylphide" is a big bore!.... with mediocre music. However "Giselle" is divine [especially Act II]....with mediocre music. But Delibes &Tchaikovsky changed all that mediocre music "tradition". One of the best works of art EVER created is Balenchine's "The Four Temperaments". The music was written in 1940 by Hindemith and is really good....a theme with 4 variations [one for each temperament] for strings and a piano....like a concerto. The choreography is perfection. No sets....no costumes. It's on DVD but the music is out of sync by like 1/2 a second and I can't stand it! I know it's wrong because I have it on VHS and have watched it a million times. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 09:38:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQEcGoQ023177 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:38:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQEc03g042899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEbxCr086155; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEbt2k086117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.17] (pool180-43.patriot.net [209.249.180.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAQEbiOs005307 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:37:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:36:47 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is hindsight, but I would have researched and bought the busk first before starting the corset, and then adjust the corset length so the available busk works. Why do you have to buy the rest of the boning in the same place? Is there a minimum order? The spiral boning is not that hard to cut. I'm talking about the type that looks like a flattened spring. You only need to snip two parts of the wire, with cutters that do not need to be as strong as those used to cut a solid metal bone. There's not that much metal to cut. If you cut it a certain way, you end up with a rounded edge because of the way the wire is rounded. You can get caps for the ends, but I found the resulting rounded edge works well. It's slightly better than the white metal boning as far as not wearing through the fabric. When I used the pre-made lengths of boning, I have a stock of a lot of different lengths. That way I don't have to order a specific amount and I can switch them if something ends up not the right size or comfort for any reason. -Carol >the front of my corset is 19 inches in total (I chose this pattern >from Corsets and Crinolines because it was fairly simple but it was >long enough that I could do things like Bustle gowns as well as >crinoline fashions) so if I leave 1/2 an inch at either end that >leaves me with an 18" busk so 16" isn't long enough (though it's 1" >longer than Hedgehog Handworks) and they don't have 1/2" wide spiral >steels in pre-cut lengths, and I don't want to have to deal with >cutting up the boning myself. >Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 11:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQGx5Mx028269 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:59:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQGwRTN055383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQGwNKd050967; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQGwIfb050938 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=XwpD8lLMU34modza24fpgavND/iEWakkpWIWiCoGdtlEOeipxSEz4VoTBBfeucvK; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.164] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eg3NR-0005Wo-Gu for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c5f2aa$9860a5c0$a4159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com><016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <001201c5f292$e1d1d7a0$dabfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b32125419c4767e89bb1d21b95eb7462a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.164 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sue wrote: > I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart > (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). Mozart is considered "classical", along with Haydn and early Beethoven. Classicism is between Baroque and Romantic. -Helen/Aidan (Who grew up not especially liking opera, since it was blasted in our house every waking moment my father was not at work. Of course, my opinion changed in my late teens. I'm also not a 19th c music fan for the most part (give me Bach and Mozart); most of it is too schmaltzy for my taste, except for some of the national/folkloric stuff. There's some good stuff in the 20th c, but definitely not that serial stuff.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHCfCZ028802 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:12:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHBWmQ056790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHBSLh057363; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:11:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHBOAE057304 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:11:19 -0800 Message-ID: <438897C2.7040305@msn.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:38 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2005 17:11:19.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B1A9C90:01C5F2AC] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If I understand what you mean correctly, you 'betcha! Look in Fashion in Detail from the 17th and 18th Centuries (by Hart and North) on pages 82 and 100. A 1760's man's dress coat of sprigged silk velvet. The velvet it is orange with greenish flowers outlined in black! It is embroided in silver-gilt thread. Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind > of velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking > because many have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for > trousers and jackets, was that used in 18th century? > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets > and skirts......... > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:15:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHF178028900 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:15:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHDdHq056970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHDbBn058335; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQHDXG7058257 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2117 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 17:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:13:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170747.01d786a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:13:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opera and ballet In-Reply-To: <129.6a25dbad.30b9cb99@aol.com> References: <129.6a25dbad.30b9cb99@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > >I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart >(does he count as Baroqe or Romantic? > > >******************* > > >He's "Classical"....with Haydn and Beethoven. > >And there are lots of Baroque and Classical operas. My faves too. I like the >stylized, non-realistic approach of these operas. "Le Nozzi di Figaro" is my >fave. >And.... was it Suzi who didn't like Ballet? But you loved Rameau? About 1/3 >of his operas ARE ballet! No, what I said was I loved the music. I did not enjoy the trampolines and the bizarre modern take on the opera.But the music was played and sung by Les Arts Florisantes, a truly wonderful baroque music group directed by William Christie. They are doing Handel's Hannibal" later in the year, and I hope so much to be able to see that too. (Well, listen rather than see to be honest.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:34:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHYX0D029580 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:34:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHYFOI058934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHYDqo068314; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHY97t068274 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD79418BD3 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb25.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.4383ccfb.2606b for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DiJyRAVcRhgIAAAAB,4ac7baaf1fc0c792e65a30994534d2a2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051126093409.BADAE62F@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Possibilities......? 18" busk - http://store.corsetmaking.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=B-18&Category_Code=SB Another 18"/46cm busk - http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GS&Product_Code=1228%2F13.46&Category_Code=BUSK1 I don't think that you'll find long busks for much cheaper than these two, unless you buy in bulk. ;-} Pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftSpiralWires.htm More pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning at pretty reasonable prices - not quite AUS$12.00/dozen for the very longest ones - http://www.tutu.com/ntn_hoopbones.html MOST EXCITING OF ALL! **** 1/2" wide **** pre-cut, pre-tipped spiral boning, up to 18" long, also at pretty reasonable prices - http://www.corsetmaking.com/supplies.html#spiral_boning I so know what you mean about cutting the boning yourself - I made two corsets with Farthingales 50-8406-06 plastic-coated Hoop Steel - white 6mm(1/4")6mm wide X .6mm thick - which had to be cut with bolt cutters, the ends trimmed into something roughly resembling a curve, and tipped with elastoplast then tooldip, because at that stage they didn't have hoopsteel tips. The trimming left *lots* of little sharp metal bits which were not good to stand on with bare feet. Not something I want to have to do again. HTH Joannah --- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: the front of my corset is 19 inches in total (I chose this pattern from Corsets and Crinolines because it was fairly simple but it was long enough that I could do things like Bustle gowns as well as crinoline fashions) so if I leave 1/2 an inch at either end that leaves me with an 18" busk so 16" isn't long enough (though it's 1" longer than Hedgehog Handworks) and they don't have 1/2" wide spiral steels in pre-cut lengths, and I don't want to have to deal with cutting up the boning myself. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHf3Tu029815 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHekKt059524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHej6w071434; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHeg9Q071315 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.262.affb22 (57317) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <262.affb22.30b9f80f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:40:31 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/26/2005 11:59:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: but definitely not that serial stuff.) ********************** Definitely NOT so... As 12 tone music becomes more historical....I find that it can not be so bad. In fact I like a lot of it. I 1st "got it" with Stravinsky's ballet "Agon" which is only partly 12 tone. [ Another great Balenchine ballet with no sets or costumes. ]Also his 12 tone Mass and another church piece called "Canticum Sacrum", which has a divine tenor solo ["sulge aquilo"] and also a fantastic movement for bass and chorus. It's very dry music. But then Alban Berg's serial stuff is very lush and almost romantic ["Lulu"] and I like it too. Even Copland wrote some serial stuff! It's not all the same. What it all takes...Opera, classical, serial, jazz, zydeco....whatever...is getting familiar with it and its vocab. The only way to do that is to be open minded and not dismiss it. Yes, some things one just doesn't like. But you should only decide that after repeated listenings. I remember in school I had to design Stravinsky's opera "Oedipus Rex" so naturally I went to the library and listened to it. I though "Jesus! What a bunch of caterwauling!" But of course on repeated listenings, I "got" it. It's now one of my all time faves. A great work of art. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHoWt4030169 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:50:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHoHRU060578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHoFX8076224; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHoBDp076148 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.291.5e0ff5 (57317) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:49:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <291.5e0ff5.30b9fa47@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:49:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opera and ballet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/26/2005 12:14:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: No, what I said was I loved the music. Well there's no argument there! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:55:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHt0mi030342 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:55:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHsjWj061206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHsjsL078828; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHsdse078740 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20157 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:20:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:20:39 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126122959.01d77780@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > But I cannot get over the ballet "wall", even though I saw Nureyev and > Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the > dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Oh wow. I'm just the opposite. I can barely tolerate opera music (though the costumes and the dramatic element, when it's there, can distract me sufficiently from the music). But if anyone's dancing, I'm *there.* I even like Olympic ice dancing and gymnastics floor exercise. Classical ballet is my least favorite of ballet styles, but it still shows off the sheer athleticism of the performers. And many "ballet" companies" do non-classical works. I spent several months of my early career as an arts journalist covering the training team of the Joffrey Ballet ... wow. I'd still rather see Momix or Pilobolus, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:05:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQI5p59030725 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:05:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQI5L53061988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQI5Is6083650; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQI5DxE083607 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eg4QC-000D84-8J for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:05:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:03:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Museum of London gable X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Suzi Clarke wrote >At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: >>The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has >>many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger versions >>the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, it goes on and >>on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - 1500 should download >>and read the PDF, really. >> >>Go here: >>http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closu >>re.asp > > >I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great series >of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that >informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the craftspeople, >and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! > >Suzi It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on for the inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQINa2W031394 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQILuMZ063558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQILt5c091423; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQILnR1091339 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQK008WFR041EJB@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:21:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:21:38 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My mom was a professional classical ballerina and dance in general, so I think my love for ballet is genetic. If I have a chance --- even if it is a movie- I'll watch it. Opera--- now there is another thing... I did costume designs for many, many, many productions for two major Opera Conservatories in Philadelphia. I notoiced thet though the director moved the opera a bit time- wise it was never so jarring that it challenged the integrity of the story/plot line or music... Over the past two weekends, I watched a production of Rigoletto done the Connecticut Lyric Opera. My husband was in the cast as the "Halberdier" and though he didn't sing except in the backstage area during the storm scene, I couldn't be prouder. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:21 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > But I cannot get over the ballet "wall", even though I saw Nureyev and > Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the > dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Oh wow. I'm just the opposite. I can barely tolerate opera music (though the costumes and the dramatic element, when it's there, can distract me sufficiently from the music). But if anyone's dancing, I'm *there.* I even like Olympic ice dancing and gymnastics floor exercise. Classical ballet is my least favorite of ballet styles, but it still shows off the sheer athleticism of the performers. And many "ballet" companies" do non-classical works. I spent several months of my early career as an arts journalist covering the training team of the Joffrey Ballet ... wow. I'd still rather see Momix or Pilobolus, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQIT2GI031634 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQISVbJ064136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQISULl094362; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQISNgF094295 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 38717 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126182532.01d7f6b0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:27:52 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum of London gable In-Reply-To: References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 18:03 26/11/2005, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote >>At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: >>>The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has >>>many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger >>>versions the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, >>>it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - >>>1500 should download and read the PDF, really. >>> >>>Go here: >>>http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closu >>>re.asp >> >> >>I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great >>series of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that >>informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the >>craftspeople, and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! >> >>Suzi > >It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on >for the inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? Hi Jean Thanks again for your site. I used a thin layer of wadding, just enough to soften it, and cut it on the straight. It just worked somehow like that. I have a dress diary written out for it (Headdress diary?) but need to add the pictures. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:59:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQIxEep000358 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:59:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQIwwso067332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQIwu5K008581; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQIwqhI008549 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.16.184.193]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:59:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c5f2bb$6e221260$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:58:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Emory and toe are the usual 1800's filling. The emory is really hard to find. The toe is the flax that is thrown away from sheathing. Go to a period farm for it. Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historic Costuming" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 14:39:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQJdP8Q001968 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:39:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQJcr2A070519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQJco3f028182; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQJck5V028102 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FB033C717 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511261900.jAQJ0Jeh009310@net.indra.com> References: <200511261900.jAQJ0Jeh009310@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:38:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Pin Cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Unspun wool would work a treat. Or sawdust. Me, I'd use the wool. Email me I should have some combings from the wedding shawl I'm supposed to be spinning... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMawka009130 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMa5vc086561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMZxaA008179; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQFgbde014423 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.139]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F356262863 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:42:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5f2a0$09bb0db0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com><016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <001201c5f292$e1d1d7a0$dabfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:42:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Sue, This is very odd, we share excatcly same taste in music. Except for some music by Elgar, Stravinsky, my music ranges also from 16th trough 17th. and 18th century music. My favourite composer is Haendel, i just love his music sooo much!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays > I'm with Dianne on this one, although my "opera wall" doesn't come with a > set of rude neighbors! ;-D > I just plain don't like most 19th century music (or a fair amount of 20th > century music). I don't have much appreciation for any book or movie or > art > form that has a lot of over-the-top drama in it. Since I got out of > adolescence, I've also not been much of a fan of musicals (liked them as a > kid just fine, and there are a few I enjoy now, but it's not something > I'll > normally spend money on ). > I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart > (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). The local university's in the > middle of working on a production of _Marriage of Figaro_, and I'm going > to > see that. ;o) > --Sue, who's musical prefernces pick up again in the 1960s, with > exceptions > for composers like Aaron Copeland..... > OCC: Currently sorting through in-house wool and linen stash for makings > for > some 10th c. (western) Norse outfits. What's everyon else doing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMb4Ts009139 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMapwa086633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMapX3008568; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQGXQgq039327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eg2z4-0004mN-LS; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:33:06 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:33:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20051126103306.nn6nzpbkw4bo44g0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:33:06 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Lavinia teerlinc (was Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions) References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051125225434.037592a8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051125225434.037592a8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quoting Kimiko Small : > > And I have some of Livinia Teerlinks images, but those were > miniatures, and hard to determine what they wore. She also comes into > Henry VIII's service in 1546 according to the book I have, so her > Tudor minis are going to be a later time frame than you are looking > at. I have an image that her father, Simon Benninck (sometimes > spelled Bennick or Bening) painted that shows ladies in various > outdoor situations wearing Tudor garments (c.1540). Cool! I didn't know that. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMbNor009155 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMb7EH086703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMb7Ec008762; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQHDWc9058250 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2105 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 17:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:13:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170320.01d1bad0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:05:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I can't remember whether this is a Book of Hours or a Calendar, but I think it is by Simon Bening (too lazy to check - it's cold where my books are.) Thought the list mind be interested to see the site. Click on "Flemish Miniatures". http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMbcMQ009171 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMbMHL086746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMbLG2008891; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQHlTe9074897 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37736 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 17:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:47:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126174205.01d22d08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:47:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <20051126093409.BADAE62F@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20051126093409.BADAE62F@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 17:34 26/11/2005, you wrote: >Possibilities......? > >18" busk - >http://store.corsetmaking.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=B-18&Category_Code=SB > >Another 18"/46cm busk - >http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GS&Product_Code=1228%2F13.46&Category_Code=BUSK1 > >I don't think that you'll find long busks for much cheaper than >these two, unless you buy in bulk. ;-} > >Pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning >http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftSpiralWires.htm > >More pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning at pretty reasonable prices - >not quite AUS$12.00/dozen for the very longest ones - >http://www.tutu.com/ntn_hoopbones.html > >MOST EXCITING OF ALL! **** 1/2" wide **** pre-cut, pre-tipped spiral >boning, up to 18" long, also at pretty reasonable prices - >http://www.corsetmaking.com/supplies.html#spiral_boning > >I so know what you mean about cutting the boning yourself - I made >two corsets with Farthingales 50-8406-06 plastic-coated Hoop Steel - >white 6mm(1/4")6mm wide X .6mm thick - which had to be cut with bolt >cutters, the ends trimmed into something roughly resembling a curve, >and tipped with elastoplast then tooldip, because at that stage they >didn't have hoopsteel tips. The trimming left *lots* of little sharp >metal bits which were not good to stand on with bare feet. Not >something I want to have to do again. I understand why people don't like to cut boning of any kind, but so often I find that the bones I need are not exactly the same length as I can buy commercially, so it is easier, for me, as I have been doing it for so long, to cut them to the size I want. But the invention of metal tips, now I have the hang of them, is brilliant. I just wish that British and American hoop steel makers would get together and rationalize their sizes, then I could use the joining widgets that Farthingales sells on all my hoops! (And before anyone suggests I buy my steel from Farthingales, I can get it far cheaper and more easily locally, if you include postage, and man is a roll of steel heavy!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMbm2r009177 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMauxt086654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMauLg008638; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQGwA8e050899 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30818 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 16:56:58 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=45% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Hi, > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind of > velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because > many > have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and > jackets, was that used in 18th century? > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and > skirts......... Bjarne, We call it corduroy and people have argued that it looks like "cut velvet". The "stripes" are called wales and the really thin waled corduroy is what people say may be period all the way back to the Renaissance. I personally haven't seen any examples but I am sure somebody on the list will have more information. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 20:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR1fcIJ014897 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR1eti4005863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1eqUq086358; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1emku086316 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2D53439F for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:40:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051126173814.03666040@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:40:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170320.01d1bad0@127.0.0.1> References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170320.01d1bad0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 09:05 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote: >I can't remember whether this is a Book of Hours or a Calendar, but I >think it is by Simon Bening (too lazy to check - it's cold where my books >are.) Thought the list mind be interested to see the site. Click on >"Flemish Miniatures". > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > >Suzi My goodness, thank you Suzi! This is what I've been looking for. It is by Simon Bening/Bennink. I've seen a couple of the images in books I have, but not the whole thing. Oh, if only they could print the whole book for us costumers. I would love to see clear close-up images of the outfits they are wearing, because we get to see side and even back views on some of them. Thanks again. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 20:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR1l6c7015061 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR1kQDO006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1kOfL088615; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1kLab088597 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:46:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1503032wra for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L50u7kfwbGEcbZBPO+3x/rcJiaRQRs/U17Ib3JmiH7Bw36XsxzQ4fJ1tIY83j5bbNyP8t5sDCi2kaj0Nn8kxpMGVXL0dsSNIJVEpdCUbrtti351blEzCvMCSm/TvPMK42334s/zeNBV+6W8bS8Mead06c5Cso5JZtPQV31lacDw= Received: by 10.65.239.15 with SMTP id q15mr69172qbr; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070511261746p23b6248hd3249397d5aa327@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:46:21 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet In-Reply-To: <1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAR1kLab088597 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have the ugliest 1880's bodice ever made of ick-brown fairly wide-wale corduroy. Nobody would ever believe it was accurate if I reproduced it. So homely. Katy On 11/26/05, Diana Habra wrote: > > > Hi, > > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind of > > velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because > > many > > have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and > > jackets, was that used in 18th century? > > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and > > skirts......... > > Bjarne, > > We call it corduroy and people have argued that it looks like "cut > velvet". The "stripes" are called wales and the really thin waled > corduroy is what people say may be period all the way back to the > Renaissance. I personally haven't seen any examples but I am sure > somebody on the list will have more information. > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 21:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR2dOxx016475 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR2cxHC011351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2cvwl010300; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2cs8M010237 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQL00G8IE0OUL00@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.174.93]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:38:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:38:48 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.2.20051123133039.030b1eb0@pop.surewest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.2.20051123133039.030b1eb0@pop.surewest.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you don't mind what color the wool is - I have some 'raw' brown wool that I could send you. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 21:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR2oKxj016819 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR2mf3Q011921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2mcbb013851; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2mYFu013765 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQL00AGEEGSH2LB@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:48:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:48:26 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20051126173814.03666040@64.87.54.245> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi ! Has anybody ever have a chance to see the Eleonora of Toledo book of Hours in the V&A? If so, is there a link? I have only seen B&W pics ... Best Holiday Regards- Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar At 09:05 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote: >I can't remember whether this is a Book of Hours or a Calendar, but I >think it is by Simon Bening (too lazy to check - it's cold where my books >are.) Thought the list mind be interested to see the site. Click on >"Flemish Miniatures". > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > >Suzi My goodness, thank you Suzi! This is what I've been looking for. It is by Simon Bening/Bennink. I've seen a couple of the images in books I have, but not the whole thing. Oh, if only they could print the whole book for us costumers. I would love to see clear close-up images of the outfits they are wearing, because we get to see side and even back views on some of them. Thanks again. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 22:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR3MiTE017711 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR3M9g6014588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3M7tw026436; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3M3GG026400 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQL0005QG0M84UL@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.234]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:21:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:21:58 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general In-reply-to: <294.65093.30b63464@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <294.65093.30b63464@aol.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I saw a movie an adaption of Richard III with Ian McKellan (sp??), done in the WWII era.. except for a few lines added here and there, it was very well done. In fact it made more sense to me then the original. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 22:46:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR3k2vl018344 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR3jdgx016562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:45:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3jcbA035053; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3jZgS035041 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B189F34470 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:45:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051126194337.03668228@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:45:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum of London gable In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126182532.01d7f6b0@127.0.0.1> References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051126182532.01d7f6b0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 10:27 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote: >At 18:03 26/11/2005, you wrote: >>It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on for the >>inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? > >Hi Jean > >Thanks again for your site. I used a thin layer of wadding, just enough to >soften it, and cut it on the straight. It just worked somehow like that. I >have a dress diary written out for it (Headdress diary?) but need to add >the pictures. > >Suzi Oh, yes, please do. I would love to know how you made your gable, as that's next on my list of Tudor hats to do. I really have to remake my French hood first, now that I've learned how not to do them. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 23:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR4VmWb019799 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR4VRE6020715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR4VOwX052946; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR4VJK3052918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-59-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.59]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAR4VGXK017296 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:31:18 +1100 Message-ID: <002501c5f30b$695539b0$3bdaf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net><000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:31:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk > > This is hindsight, but I would have researched and bought the busk > first before starting the corset, and then adjust the corset length so the > available busk works. But if you need a long corset for fashions which are fitted over the hips (such as the early 1880s) then a shorter corset isn't going to work, which would mean that I would need to buy a long busk anyway (not to mention the rest of the boning, postage and the fabric) when I get around to making a bustle or natural form period gown. > > Why do you have to buy the rest of the boning in the same place? Is > there a minimum order? I don't want to pay postage plus bank fees (my bank charges a fee for any overseas payments on my credit card) on 2 separate orders because the extra postage would probably eat up any saving I made. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 10:38:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARFcBxV018770 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARFbcIW002387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARFbWS9010805; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARFbSiQ010774 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81B140139 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb11.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.24d40 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDidK31vyssgIAAAAB,5ac74937bd2db15258635d8184a7a037 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.73] Message-Id: <20051127073727.BADA1F77@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Emery isn't all that difficutlt to find. Go to any rock shop or lapidary supply site (or store if you are lucky enough to live near one) and get the grit made for tumbling stones. You would probably want about a 400 for a pin cushion or the little strawberry emery cushion. 200 would be ok, but I think 100 would be too coarse and 600 would be too fine. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 10:49:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARFnbgl019071 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:49:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARFmv25003199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:48:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARFmuZ9015753; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jARFmrg9015688 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005112710481923217 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:19 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id jARFlxMB004336 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c401c5f36a$1048da20$49a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <3586f5070511261746p23b6248hd3249397d5aa327@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The abolitionist John Brown was "famous" for wearing a brown corduroy suit (pre-1859 when he was hanged). My husband wants me to make him one and I have no idea what it would look like--the wales (wide or narrow?) , the color/shade of brown, the stlye of suit, etc. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet >I have the ugliest 1880's bodice ever made of ick-brown fairly > wide-wale corduroy. Nobody would ever believe it was accurate if I > reproduced it. So homely. > > Katy > > On 11/26/05, Diana Habra wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind >> > of >> > velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. >> > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because >> > many >> > have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and >> > jackets, was that used in 18th century? >> > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and >> > skirts......... >> >> Bjarne, >> >> We call it corduroy and people have argued that it looks like "cut >> velvet". The "stripes" are called wales and the really thin waled >> corduroy is what people say may be period all the way back to the >> Renaissance. I personally haven't seen any examples but I am sure >> somebody on the list will have more information. >> >> Diana >> >> www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >> "Everything for the Costumer" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 11:04:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARG4UaG019497 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:04:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARG4B7V004410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARG49jT022034; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARG46Js021972 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7b.522dd90f (48576) for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:03:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.522dd90f.30bb32ea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:03:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:22:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, purplkat@optonline.net writes: I saw a movie an adaption of Richard III with Ian McKellan (sp??), done in the WWII era.. except for a few lines added here and there, it was very well done. ************************ Yes, that film is good. But it's even BETTER if you know "the original" because most of the fun is seeing how the adaptation works...the one to ones... And no lines were added. But many many of them were cut. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 12:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARHAgpN021407 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARHAAs3009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARHA5tx049539; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARHA2cQ049459 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4389E8F3.9030900@msn.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:12:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2005 17:09:57.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[6493D3E0:01C5F375] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but I found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have. I have a book on appropriate patterns on order from ILL, but I just can't wait! :-D I am sure it certianly isn't a reproduction calico...I was just curious what folks do for calico dresses. Is there enough reproduction calico that you all aren't wearing the same prints, or do you kind of go for what "looks okay?" I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next question, but I'll ask anyway. :-\ What do you think of this pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- *http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn If the link doesn't work, it is * *Moda Kansas Troubles Scrapbook Garden 9092-13* I have bought 7.5 yards of it and probably need another 5. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 14:51:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARJpAa8026328 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARJoVLX024780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:50:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARJoPoI019226; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARJoKU9019197 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id jARJoJPH022643 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:50:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from host ([69.21.248.157]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20051127195019.KOWO23063.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@host> for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:50:19 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c5f38b$d24d1d40$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200511271900.jARJ04fA097291@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:50:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Just to warn you, this is *way* past my period, however....My Great-Grandmother made a quilt of fabric scraps from dresses that she'd made for her kids and grandkids, and shirts for her husband and her sons-in-law. I rebacked the quilt and got to examine a lot of the fabrics. The pattern on your sample is almost spot on for a cotton chintz, that came from one of her mother's dresses. The main difference, is that your fabric is matte, and you can see the weave, Great-Great-Grandma's dress, was a glossy and *very* tightly woven cotton (or, it was just pressed within an inch of its life, not exactly sure, it was so shiny and solid that it resembled a very lightweight vinyl) but the pattern itself, looks exactly like what I remember. Hope this helps Robert of Stonemarche ps. for dating purposes, Great-Grandma Tibbets died at the age of 92, in 1973. I can't find when great-great-grandma Boyd died. However, GGT was the youngest child > From: WickedFrau > Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but I > found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have. I have a book on > appropriate patterns on order from ILL, but I just can't wait! :-D > I am sure it certianly isn't a reproduction calico...I was just curious > what folks do for calico dresses. Is there enough reproduction calico > that you all aren't wearing the same prints, or do you kind of go for > what "looks okay?" > > I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next question, > but I'll ask anyway. :-\ > What do you think of this pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- > *http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 16:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARL2iDb028542 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:02:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARL2Fbb030529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARL29oL051907; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARL25XE051836 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.29.1799ef (17079) for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <29.1799ef.30bb78c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:01:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Lov-er-ly! There are so many calicos out there for quilts and crafts, you could design an entire Dickens novel in calico and not repeat a pattern. Some are reproductions of 19th century samples. Some 1830s and 40s patterns are so stylized they almost look modern. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 18:36:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARNa3N2032766 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARNZSoA048890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARNZO78022182; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARNZKrF022131 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.178] (pm5-178.eos.net [205.133.149.178]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jARNZH8f004098 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:35:18 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:23:17 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511251820.jAPIKLL9083016@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I don't think I've EVER seen a Shakespear play (and I've seen a lot of them) done in Elizabethan costume. No wait -- I've seen one. I've seen a lot of wonderful productions set in many different times. That goes for other old plays and operas too. But Bjarne asked about "modern and artistic" costumes, and that's different. I'm with you, Bjarne! I hate that kind of thing. It's rarely done well, and it usually distracts from the performance. If a production is going to be done in some sort of avant-garde style, the company owes it to the public to make it clear in the advertisements, etc. Many people really do go see a production, especially if it's a rarely done production, to get at least a feeling of what it was like "back then." If you're going to deliver something else, at least tell people! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 19:09:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS09x9w001106 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS09fuf052250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS09ci5037934; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS09ZWb037853 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CF03E49E for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:09:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:10:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] what do you call this? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help me? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 19:35:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS0ZBp6001641 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:35:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS0YmMU055140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS0YksV049240; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAS0Yhpn049212 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8552 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 01:24:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:24:30 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:38:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1206.67.188.164.116.1133138282.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:38:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges > of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a > shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy > some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help > me? Is it Twill tape? Like this: http://www.jkmribbon.com/wrights/twill.html It comes in other colors than these eye-poppers :~> Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 20:42:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS1g0AN003816 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:42:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS1e5ah060904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS1dwvm076134; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS1dtqU076104 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D7418017 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:56 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb34.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.4383ccfb.3134e for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dil/rIIwwOwIAAAAB,c1a9202becc4b015d352272bd8dbbb0d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051127173955.BADBB749@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Could it be cotton tape? e.g. http://www.ribbonmoon.co.uk/details.asp?id=2936 Joannah. --- Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:10:28 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] what do you call this? I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help me? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:17:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2H25N004879 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:17:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2Fehb064432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2FbDD090387; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARHQ8dk057190 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051127172558.FYDI14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:25:58 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:25:22 -0500 Message-ID: <044201c5f377$8fa35130$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi~! Not really my era either, but perhaps this will help: http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/ The fabric is lovely, btw. I had to get to it the "hard way", but I got there. ;-) ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of WickedFrau Subject: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but I found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next question, but I'll ask anyway. :-\ What do you think of this pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn If the link doesn't work, it is *Moda Kansas Troubles Scrapbook Garden 9092-13* I have bought 7.5 yards of it and probably need another 5. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2H46U004883 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:17:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2Gmbm064589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2GmJS090959; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jARJKkKY006014 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 11190 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2005 11:19:50 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 11181, pid: 11184, t: 2.8233s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 11:19:47 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127110949.030a1ba0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:20:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 09:12 AM 11/27/2005, you wrote: >Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but >I found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have. I have a >book on appropriate patterns on order from ILL, but I just can't wait! :-D >I am sure it certianly isn't a reproduction calico...I was just >curious what folks do for calico dresses. Is there enough >reproduction calico that you all aren't wearing the same prints, or >do you kind of go for what "looks okay?" >I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next >question, but I'll ask anyway. :-\ What do you think of this >pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- >*http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn > >If the link doesn't work, it is * > >*Moda Kansas Troubles Scrapbook Garden 9092-13* > > >I have bought 7.5 yards of it and probably need another 5. What part of the 19th century are you going for? This one looks like a decent mid-19th century print for a work dress (won't show dirt too easily). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2HAgR004889 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2Gs41064622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2GsJ3091021; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARK2Nor024683 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5581.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.129]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E940262816 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:02:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c5f38d$8a7922a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:02:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] o/t online forum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Forgive me for being off topic. Now when i get more time, when i have stopped taking orders of costumes, i have ben thinking about making a forum at my website and make some online classes. I can teach embroidery and bobbin lace. How much do you think that it would cost me to have a webdesigner make that forum for me? Does anybody have any ideas about this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2IGvg004925 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2H7CL064688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2H71Y091153; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARNYB1x021447 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511272333450130090eb6e>; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:33:50 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:33:45 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:33:45 +0000 Message-Id: <112720052333.11724.438A4259000297A200002DCC22092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks one and all for your help with the contents of a pin cushion. There were so many of you I thought it was best to one letter (although there are a couple of you awaiting a private message - which will be done next.) I hope everyone in the US had a wonderful Thanksgiving. And I'm sending everyone around the world a happy holidays. Roscelin > Emery isn't all that difficutlt to find. Go to any rock shop or lapidary supply > site (or store if you are lucky enough to live near one) and get the grit made > for tumbling stones. You would probably want about a 400 for a pin cushion or > the little strawberry emery cushion. 200 would be ok, but I think 100 would be > too coarse and 600 would be too fine. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:18:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2Itik004950 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2HSF0064746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2HRXm091290; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS0SfMs046637 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32722 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:54:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:54:47 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > If a production is going to be done in some sort of avant-garde style, > the company owes it to the public to make it clear in the > advertisements, etc. Many people really do go see a production, > especially if it's a rarely done production, to get at least a feeling > of what it was like "back then." If you're going to deliver something > else, at least tell people! That in fact is what a Washington company did about 10 years ago for the Mikado: All the publicity pointed out they were doing it Scots -- think McAddo. So much for Japan! And ... it was brilliant. Best Mikado I've ever seen. And I've seen several. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2XVkr005415 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2XCYY066243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2XAhX097649; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2WhRn097419 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0171340973 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:32:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438A6C83.707@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:33:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? References: <20051127173955.BADBB749@dm21.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20051127173955.BADBB749@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Joannah Hansen wrote: > Could it be cotton tape? e.g. > > http://www.ribbonmoon.co.uk/details.asp?id=2936 > No, it's not cotton tape or twill tape. It has a much coarser, 'braided' weave to it, which allows it to conform to the curve of the hat brim _like_ a bias tape. Cotton twill tape doesn't flex like this. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:46:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2kK7s005761 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2jsfj067580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2jokF003173; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAS2jkJu003052 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 30480 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 02:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 02:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <438A6F54.8080705@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:45:40 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dawn wrote: > I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges > of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a > shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy > some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help > me? I think what you are looking for is either "millinery grosgrain" or "french belting". You take the ribbon that you want to use (4" longer than the diameter of the brim), soak it, fold it in half, and wrap it tightly around the edge of a disk, you can use a dinner plate according to the book "from the neck up". Tape it to the plate with duct tape (just tape it at the ends) and let it dry, unstick it and attach it to your hat using a stab stitch or w/ a zipper foot. Note: I have never done this, so you now know as much as I do. I believe you can get millinery grosgrain from www.hatsupply.com liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2xMVa006175 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:59:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2wuPA069477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:58:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2wqjl009612; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:58:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2wjjb009550 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Qks68WyOdssywZy8eM2R/s9Y3F7xMxrFiTFNBkFzYFTjQLNr+aEmSabsqD1D2Jnl; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.248] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgZE4-0007Iz-3d for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <022601c5f3c7$a2f45450$f8159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b4529d0581398387524ff5524cef4b494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.248 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dawn wrote: > I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges > of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a > shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy > some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help > me? and > No, it's not cotton tape or twill tape. It has a much coarser, 'braided' > weave to it, which allows it to conform to the curve of the hat brim > _like_ a bias tape. Cotton twill tape doesn't flex like this. You might be thinking of foldover braid. There's some here: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/FO3.shtml and an enlargement here: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/images/F-21.jpg -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 22:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS36ixi006385 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:06:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS36JmB070054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS36H3I013095; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS36E9A013034 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:06:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D73B40973 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:06:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438A745D.9080502@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:07:09 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> <022601c5f3c7$a2f45450$f8159b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <022601c5f3c7$a2f45450$f8159b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Helen Pinto wrote: > You might be thinking of foldover braid. There's some here: > http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/FO3.shtml > and an enlargement here: > http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/images/F-21.jpg > Yup! That's it, thanks Helen! And they even have the tan I want. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 22:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS3PoXR006938 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:25:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS3PCYs072087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS3P7V8021279; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS3P3KK021226 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.6d.52539d6a (17526) for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:24:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.52539d6a.30bbd27f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:24:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/27/2005 6:36:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: Many people really do go see a production, especially if it's a rarely done production, to get at least a feeling of what it was like "back then. ********************************** And many go to see something current, new and innovative. So what's you're point? Do you really think the average person cares as much about the costumes as you or I? Most people I know who go to the opera don't care about anything except who's singing. As for "modern and artistic " [whatever that means] usually being done badly....I'd say period things are usually done badly too. Take the Met's "Barber of Seville". Pat Zipprodt's clothes are accurate and cut correctly, but they are utterly pedestrian. Boring, characterless [except for something just stereotypical] ho-hum clothes. I hate to think what they spent on these things that look like they were pulled from a college costume stock. How could one come up with something so dull for such a sparkling opera? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 00:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS5LAAZ010557 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS5KSFJ084896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS5KO7i070069; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS5KLKt070049 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EgbR6-0005cj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:20:20 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127230535.02ec6658@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:18:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511271900.jARJ04fA097291@net.indra.com> References: <200511271900.jARJ04fA097291@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: John Brown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kate, Here's a link to one page, with some pics, but more importantly, a bibliography/source list. There's only one picture of John Brown, and it's not very good, but you can make out some details of the construction. I would guess it would be a fairly typical shape for the period. http://www.iath.virginia.edu/jbrown/master.html Here's a better image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_brown_1859.jpg and here's one of him at a younger age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_Brown.gif HTH, Sandy At 01:00 PM 11/27/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:45 -0500 >From: "Kate Pinner" > >The abolitionist John Brown was "famous" for wearing a brown corduroy suit >(pre-1859 when he was hanged). My husband wants me to make him one and I >have no idea what it would look like--the wales (wide or narrow?) , the >color/shade of brown, the stlye of suit, etc. > >Kate "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 02:30:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS7UtAM021509 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS7UQvW095231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:30:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7UH4F017576; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7UE5h017512 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:30:09 -0800 Message-ID: <438AB291.5040200@msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:32:33 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? References: <044201c5f377$8fa35130$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> In-Reply-To: <044201c5f377$8fa35130$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 07:30:09.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FB28FD0:01C5F3ED] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What a great late night place! There are some very pretty fabrics here. Linda Rice wrote: >Hi~! > >Not really my era either, but perhaps this will help: > >http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/ > >The fabric is lovely, btw. I had to get to it the "hard way", but I got there. ;-) > >::Linda:: > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 02:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS7bTp9023269 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS7W1wN095447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7W1ok018355; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7VuqY018306 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:31:51 -0800 Message-ID: <438AB2F8.8020103@msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:34:16 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127110949.030a1ba0@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127110949.030a1ba0@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 07:31:51.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCA87D00:01C5F3ED] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What part of the 19th century are you going for? This one looks like a decent mid-19th century print for a work dress (won't show dirt too easily). > Joan Jurancich Not sure yet...something with some intricate pleating in the back.....a day dress..probably. I haven't done a whole lot of research....just had to have that fabric...it was so out of character for me...I am usually a velvet and silk kinda gal...this one just struck a cord. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 06:41:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASBf74w016435 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASBeGMK021728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASBe9Id008488; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:40:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASBe0j5008359 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.274.bd98a9 (4214) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <274.bd98a9.30bc4688@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:39:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/27/2005 7:10:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. It's called foldover braid. You can get basic colors, but in synthetics, at most fabric stores. Places that specialize in boiled wool (for jackets) should have a range of colors, as it is used to finish the edges of the jackets. When I took a millinery class, though, we used petersham for the edges--it is similar to grosgrain ribbon, but more flexible, and is available from milliner suppliers. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 09:24:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASEOccd025830 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:24:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASENqqn044739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASENnE0077059; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASENkbT076980 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90346 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 14:23:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3JFDxRY0al9tUzsQHL/gvOwdCP5oCIArKsV7gGSzPkfprCIaYjvnBAuriEQOIv/drWD0RHk94AmU1fzdXmu2vRpqtprdCTZg3oto0OD9aaffrPpXNGcUwXJDg/NL4Ij2KBXeaK9lQtcjoAwK33D5qDnEzcxsmZfqfeiQTTveXKk= ; Message-ID: <20051128142340.90344.qmail@web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:23:40 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Galadriel of Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511251900.jAPJ06tp001944@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] busks, corset supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm just getting back from holiday and trying to get caught up on e-mail, so sorry if this is really late. I had to plug my favorite corset supply store, Grannd Garb. See their site here: http://www.grannd.com I haven't purchased anything from them for a while, being a student and hence very poor, but last I checked, their prices were very good and they sell many different lengths and widths of busks. I went there after a rather annoying experience with corsetmakers in which a busk I got from them broke and they were unwilling to do anything about it. I have always been pleased with Grannd. I purchased my industrial grommet setter from them, which is one of my most beloved posessions. I'm happy to give up my secret if it means more business for them. :) --Rachel __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 09:37:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASEbGFh026397 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASEaupd045961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEasKI083948; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEapmo083916 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Egk7f-0005eW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1011626.1133188610990.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] o/t online forum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I can't help on the subject of cost, but I can certainly say I'd welcome such classes. I occasionally embroider but not at your level, and I used to make bobbin lace and would like to return to doing that, with some guidance this time (learned it entirely from books!). --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Nov 27, 2005 3:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] o/t online forum Forgive me for being off topic. Now when i get more time, when i have stopped taking orders of costumes, i have ben thinking about making a forum at my website and make some online classes. I can teach embroidery and bobbin lace. How much do you think that it would cost me to have a webdesigner make that forum for me? Does anybody have any ideas about this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 09:48:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASEmo0A026812 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASEmHPg047216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEmD8b090514; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEm8De090431 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e6.7668a481 (4246) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:47:55 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 752 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If it makes it any easier to find in the future it's also known (in the UK at least) as millinery tape, or petersham ribbon (not to be confused with petersham waistbanding). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 10:12:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASFCsCZ028354 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASFCOaw050029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASFCKXv005177; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASFCFJj005044 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE46023C; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:12:06 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Nov 2005 10:11:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c5f42e$424ad2c0$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:13:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Being a couple of days behind in my mail, might we be talking about (a kind of) widewale corduroy? I think that there is a gent's suit in Fashion Revealed made from what looks to be waled fabric. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet > If I understand what you mean correctly, you 'betcha! Look in Fashion > in Detail from the 17th and 18th Centuries (by Hart and North) on pages > 82 and 100. A 1760's man's dress coat of sprigged silk velvet. The > velvet it is orange with greenish flowers outlined in black! It is > embroided in silver-gilt thread. > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi, > > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind > > of velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking > > because many have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for > > trousers and jackets, was that used in 18th century? > > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets > > and skirts......... > > > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 12:59:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASHxJa8004058 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASHw98p073917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASHw1vk036107; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASHvsFs035975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.9] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.4-07) with SMTP id 6254b834.2821827504.103140.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:12 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT - Pin Cushion Thread-Index: AcXwyWf92rEuL7TBT4CQ1p4IsqMS6ADe21/A From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 17:57:12.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[28CE59E0:01C5F445] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASHvsFs035975 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides sand or fiberfill? Roscelin ********************************* I have made several, and tend to favor chinchilla dust. No, no, not dust made from chinchillas! The dust sold in larger pet stores for chinchillas to bathe in. It is a very fine grit, which keeps needles and pins sharp and rust-free. Just don't get any in your eyes! (I speak from painful experience here.) Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 13:17:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASIHKN2005227 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:17:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASIGWp2076763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIGTvf052057; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASIGOAi051908 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74787 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 18:16:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kpAjOildRuhii9mAbhjaHSaMdULxRYS+XitIe8+KutNjJWbtfobI4BHyfvZEhZh7d5cDU0n8zgC1dYSupNGxroFpxAuml/HL9Uvpb0jw8T+l0z33fxC9W8YOg9Nazl+bYh+u+Vh3/NWRRp+kwb81CNh0SC1ddzdv9K/ydUiGywU= ; Message-ID: <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:16:19 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: opera X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many places at the Handel festival --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 13:49:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASInECB006852 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASImOgl081157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIj6s6080828; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIh5AT079338 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so986109nzf for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lwZzl02NvTOlmZe16wvYmioQTpr0qYaTMF3BALW0jWimRCDqHbXYEZ4uidFi6vt6l38/a2kbQU67IuVLEkf7y2OZMFJ4EBGiicIFCCYqXPolPTfU5HupUy7HVK1eCUitVF3pwXDf5LQfY/HqZ4BMWOEJ4/V0BlAIuRvODnYxO6U= Received: by 10.65.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr61813qbm; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:43:04 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASIh5AT079338 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. On 28/11/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. > > And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions > > 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many places at the Handel festival > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJ954f007713 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJ8LrG083863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:08:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJ7v1N000523; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJ7VPo099888 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2ba.c71a42 (48600) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:07:23 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <2ba.c71a42.30bcaf6a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:07:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/28/2005 11:55:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, carolineebuckley@gmail.com writes: As a singer putting on a proper corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. I actually have some experience with this, having spent several summers at the Santa Fe Opera. Yes, the singers wear corsets, although in periods up until the 19th century, the corset boning is generally included in the bodices and not separate. Just makes the costumes more "actor proof". This means that a coutil, steel-boned bodice is constructed, fitted, the pieces dismantles and covered with bias cotton flannel (so the boning won't show through) then covered with the bodice fabric. Believe me, you can't tell. Initially, the singers worry, if they haven't worn a corset before, but soon consider it their best friend, as they can push against the bones with their diaphram as they sing and it actually supports them. Cheryl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJLXCo008539 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJKs5T085802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJKjLs012187; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:20:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJKLT6011835 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so2235268wra for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GZnhTre6jbGTOHhyvUA+loqGWq6LnxuGAFU7M+kH4y7X4MVd0ws+oqmehQFBa5IvcQlyizGA5TwJHH3aCuPf9gSxfFgn92Rz3B8T97rlLovdNxXqbwBvz0FCHjtamL7wkhJzyE7WiDFF/DXl7Oq3lxQykgfwSblKdlb9FkKnOvU= Received: by 10.64.131.17 with SMTP id e17mr6567605qbd; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:20:20 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASJKLT6011835 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi folks. Also coming in late... but this I can comment on. I do sing opera, and I do wear corsets, sometimes both together. (side note) Remember, corset shapes are not all the same. (/side note) What I tend to wear are 1550+ to about 1700 corsets. Most of these are somewhat cylindrical in shape. I have found that wearing a corset actually helps my breath support, because it makes me more conscious of the areas involved in supporting the voice. How to explain this... (insert useless floundering) gahh... I just really can't think of a way to explain without putting my hands on peoples backs, bellies and sides... Opera, any well supported singing for that matter, is not about big lungs and gasping for air, It's about support, flow of the air column, and unobstruction of the sound. And that's probably as clear as mud. Hence why I don't teach voice. As for the Queen of the Night Aria... heheh... I cannot sing it I'm not a Coloratura, but another of my coaches students can, and has, while wearing a baroque gown, with corset. :> She brought the house down. Mari / Bridgette On 11/28/05, Caroline wrote: > I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of > thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper > corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as > without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and > quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not > sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. > > Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to > think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a > corset. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:42:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJg7IL009503 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJfevf088647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJfaKH031581; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJf9CT031070 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so3177311nzf for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z39gHnwVm/QWvGj3iJrhS3psY/aeaFINDf5zOPURX7Mb7IeHD76DAV7L50fkiKTahszHrJEYpfffopz0Cot/BhZeLGl3qR+r8FaZvlYqJDWo6Qj3cJ2LLiLgkyZm+MkBTKLnqWT+pnXNZAs+Uw8hzAbsLk60NYYS4xpxkmPSBcs= Received: by 10.65.105.3 with SMTP id h3mr6779275qbm; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000511281141o3ab21ebi@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:41:06 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASJf9CT031070 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wow so many singers who are interested in costuming. I have to admit I have only done a small amount of singing and only once in a circa 1800 corset. It did feel strange but those of you with more experience would suggest that more practice in it would probably help.. On 28/11/05, Marie Stewart wrote: > Hi folks. > > Also coming in late... but this I can comment on. I do sing opera, > and I do wear corsets, sometimes both together. > (side note) Remember, corset shapes are not all the same. (/side note) > What I tend to wear are 1550+ to about 1700 corsets. Most of these are > somewhat cylindrical in shape. I have found that wearing a corset > actually helps my breath support, because it makes me more conscious > of the areas involved in supporting the voice. > > How to explain this... (insert useless floundering) gahh... I just > really can't think of a way to explain without putting my hands on > peoples backs, bellies and sides... > > Opera, any well supported singing for that matter, is not about big > lungs and gasping for air, It's about support, flow of the air > column, and unobstruction of the sound. And that's probably as clear > as mud. Hence why I don't teach voice. > > As for the Queen of the Night Aria... heheh... I cannot sing it I'm > not a Coloratura, but another of my coaches students can, and has, > while wearing a baroque gown, with corset. :> She brought the house > down. > > Mari / Bridgette > > On 11/28/05, Caroline wrote: > > I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of > > thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper > > corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as > > without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and > > quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not > > sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. > > > > Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to > > think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a > > corset. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJnqoN010079 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:49:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJnJBO089525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJmqVP037090; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJmYE2036758 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 1900017A1C1; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:48:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.83.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.83]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5770017A3F9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <012501c5f44e$878fc5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245><6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:04:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" > Hi. Pg 228 of Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's article "Wound Wire and > Silver Gilt" in Oxbow Monograph #98 shows the wire from the headdress > that I believe you are talking about. The full title of the book is "The > Age of Transition; The archaeology of English culture 1400-1600" Hope this > helps, Mike T. This looks similar to a book I've been wanting: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-1649257-0753564?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance or http://snipurl.com/kav3 Can anyone compare the two, taking into account that the latter from amazon is 1/3 the price of the former? =} The former has lots of very very interesting articles that I just don't really care too much about at the moment, judging from the contents list here: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/18729//Location/DBBC Instead, I'm interested in the actual physical finds. And can anyone suggest books you'd consider must-haves for nitty-gritty artifact type stuff c1485-1530, particularly for continental Europe? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJw21X010358 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:58:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJvdqg090598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJva4O044184; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueuea.post.tele.dk (pqueuea.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJvWkA044121 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by pqueuea.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E971B376F26 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:27:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5586.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.134]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 332A62628CC for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:27:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c5f451$d07fec60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:27:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "McClure, Kate" To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion > > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin Hi Riscelin, My embroidery magazines have many different pin cushions to make and they all have fiber fill in them, like polyester fill. It looks like vatting and it is very good to use! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 15:14:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASKE5JA011877 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASKDAev093426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASKD6TB057796; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASKCxav057600 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:13:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83808 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 20:12:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u3nnBptlCuSD4hnZ1xOLObj8nIGPDOh2YuQQw40HCFNsb9batNH6zS/CkUcjFEL3AQtNZLUEWwbNHmcsE9U29q3z3i/Ew9HRa9DihYISS76bKNk/12Kr0qvyjOCdhyqQhZ0eM6KdLKbAemDlgeoxSnVOHgXgX1PnkqpNR0aqwl8= ; Message-ID: <20051128201253.83806.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:12:53 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511281906.jASJ0OMK093493@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:was OPERA singing in stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thinking on illustrations I have seen. The mid 18th c opera women must have sun in stays. I'm working from memory here, but the engravinfgs I can remember of Handel operas show full-bore 1700's court dress, wigs, paniers out to there, feathers on the tops of heads. And all of this done with no modern amplification, so it must be do-able. Now the men were in kind of Roman armor ( I can't remeber the opera. Judith or some such thing) , and being a caracture, the heads were tiny, as were the legs, and the breastplate was HUGE...of course they were making fun of some Italian castrato. Mia in Charlotte --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 16:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASLXBS6020599 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASLWTTV005234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLWLr2025582; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLVee8025000 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09464 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:57:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:57:44 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...) In-Reply-To: <012501c5f44e$878fc5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, E House wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-1649257-0753564?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance > or > http://snipurl.com/kav3 > > Can anyone compare the two, taking into account that the latter from amazon > is 1/3 the price of the former? Amazon is wrong -- the newer one has yet to be released. My contact at the publisher told me today that with luck we may yet see it before the end of the year. See another description here: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/44480 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 16:35:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASLZU2Y020999 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:35:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASLZ2We005677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLZ1qZ027856; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLYvKg027709 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28d.b22c5c (3890) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:34:45 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <28d.b22c5c.30bcd1f4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:34:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: YES Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/28/2005 1:49:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, carolineebuckley@gmail.com writes: I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. I've always wondered about this. I mean they certainly wore corsets for the 1st production. But many 18th century theatres are smaller than the current Met of Paris opera houses and period instruments are often quieter as well. But you know the original Brunhilde wore a corset! Yikes! I suspect they didn't go for tight lacing...which is what we do nowadays with boned bodices and corsets for opera. Snug but not tight. Remember that scene in "Topsy Turvey"? "I simply cannot appear on stage without a corset!" And the Scottish tenor even wears a corset. I've had singer say they like a corset [if it's not too tight] because it gives them great posture and they can just belt it out standing up straight. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 17:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASMNtUr027325 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:23:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASMNRJt012263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASMNOOd067843; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASMNKK6067782 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C56F814378A; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.83.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.83]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EEF0414376F for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <018f01c5f469$782066e0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:16:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > Amazon is wrong -- the newer one has yet to be released. My contact at the > publisher told me today that with luck we may yet see it before the end of > the year. See another description here: > http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/44480 Aah. I'd been wondering why I hadn't heard more about it! Thanks for the info. I gueeeesssss I can wait a month or two... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 19:46:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT0kcHU031455 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT0k603030657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT0k2cl074727; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT0juGe074682 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B15F4A5F1 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100 Message-ID: <1133225154.438ba4c22713b@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:was OPERA singing in stays References: <20051128201253.83806.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051128201253.83806.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I dunno about 1800s for real but for fake it works: Costuming Barnum (set in 1800s) a few years back, I put Jenny Lind (chick with high voice) into a steel-bone Victorian corset. She loved it, saying that she was able to press against it from the inside for additional control, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 20:11:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT1BJe3032019 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:11:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT1AjvY033393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT1Agk1089584; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT1AbuJ089462 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051129011028.UDNG1978.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:28 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([222.154.134.20]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051129011027.DRMX1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:27 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.9/185]); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:27 +1300 Message-ID: <005401c5f481$aef41f00$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com><20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:25 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > How to explain this... (insert useless floundering) gahh... I just > really can't think of a way to explain without putting my hands on > peoples backs, bellies and sides... > Opera, any well supported singing for that matter, is not about big > lungs and gasping for air, It's about support, flow of the air > column, and unobstruction of the sound. And that's probably as clear > as mud. Hence why I don't teach voice. Basically the diaphram moves up and down, if you have a solid external support you can focus on "dropping the breath" rather than pushing the belly out (which is not what you are supposed to do;) ) and letting the muscles around the belly relax. It helps to brace against to support the outbreath as well. So it helps the relaxing of the inbreath and support of sustained outbreath. You can also learn to use the muscles all around the ribcage rather than just those at the front. I had difficulty for years because no singing teacher actually explained what I was supposed to "feel." I thought they were meaning just the vibrations in the mask etc. So now I explain to my teachers I can't deal in imagery, tell me what is actually happening. > As for the Queen of the Night Aria... heheh... I cannot sing it I'm > not a Coloratura, but another of my coaches students can, and has, > while wearing a baroque gown, with corset. :> She brought the house > down. I can't hold a sustained E in alt but those Fs are so very fun to sing. It's an excellent piece to sing for learning to get the voice agile:) It helped me a great deal. I couldn't sing it in public for money;) But it's an extremely delicious song to sing. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: 28/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 21:04:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT2484J001553 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT23Hgn038214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT23EPv018525; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT237v8018086 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pool-71-245-169-25.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[71.245.169.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20051129020226012001f9f1e>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:02:26 +0000 Message-ID: <438BB6D0.6070809@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:02:56 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511290110.jAT1Ag1f089583@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511290110.jAT1Ag1f089583@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: singing in a corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Done it. If it's not laced right it can be a problem. If the rings aren't slippery (and they and the lace shouldn't be) it's easy to lace tighter up top where you need more support, and slightly looser below where you need room for your lungs to expand/diaphragm to move. That said, one reason for the phrase "belting it out" is that you are throwing your breath into your belt for support (more or less). When I was taking flute lessons, years ago, eventually my teacher had me (and her other students) wearing a snug belt while playing... to teach better breath support. On top of focusing your attention, the belt itself provided a bit of support. She'd learned from both opera singers and woodwind players (can't remember which men in specific, but there were at least a couple... and I've a guess at which, who she's met, but don't want to stick my foot in it with the wrong names). I've found the same support and focus when my bodice and/or corset is laced properly. Obviously not as snugly as the belt had been worn, but snug, not tight. -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 21:09:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT29GMw001769 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:09:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT28lwc038824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT28kXY021387; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT28g4F021336 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fc.ef37606 (48624) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1fc.ef37606.30bd121d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:08:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/28/2005 8:11:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: It's an excellent piece to sing for learning to get the voice agile:) Getting yourself ready for "Una voce poco fa"? I'm obsessed with "Figaro" lately.... Which reminds me of a great production I saw that used Rene Magrite paintings as a jumping off point. The costumes were stereotypes....not accurate really. Rosina was in an all white almost Flamenco dress. Figaro had his usual bolero, breeches and sash [he sung his big entrance aria...y'know the one with the "Fiiiiiii-gaaaaa-rooooo.....Fi-ga-ro....FigaoFigaroFigaroFigaro....." show off section....in his bedroom getting dressed. At the beginning of it he's getting out of bed....he's all dressed by the end of it.] During the thunderstorm, a scrim came down raining men in bowler hats. When a big conflict would arise, a drop of a train coming out of the fireplace would appear. At the end when the lovers are united, the walls of the room became a box of blue sky with little white clouds, then the Count and Rosina appear in their same costumes only now made of blue sky with clouds. I loved it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:07:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT37XwV003723 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT36qI3044532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT36nRK054014; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASFpwrU031811 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10741 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 15:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V3eGEcQhDXiCDWe7Z/eeTgzKFGHduERpichYzct60AAD6CDoi1y9pjYaANP7q2s4V8ufpA+C7R6ILXqr3iqA2U/CHVSjuY8pX8YhtNA3urciSsCix3dEmwFGEgDR3q1Ez9CVfMig+fxZMo9yEAKRbz3cs7EuE8evVXQy4kB1SJM= ; Message-ID: <20051128155153.10739.qmail@web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:51:53 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] This is gorgeous! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Browsing eBay and found this... http://cgi.ebay.com/Exquisite-Victorian-Soutache-Trim-Jacket_W0QQitemZ8358250073QQcategoryZ48864QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sigh, the sort of thing that looks great period, but would also go great with a pair of jeans! I love Victorian although I haven't yet attempted to make anything period. Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT37lFX003749 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT37Utc044636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT37UNm054470; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASG5aje041981 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.169] (pm5-169.eos.net [205.133.149.169]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jASG5X8f015196 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:53:25 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511280730.jAS7UIiI017586@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com AlbertCat wrote: > So what's you're point? My point is exactly what I said: If you're going to do a rare performance but do it in an unusual style, then tell people. That way people know what they're getting into. I, personally, don't like bizarre and modern costumes. But if I know I am going to see them, it's up to me whether or not to pay the ticket price. I am not against creative staging -- but I have seen a lot of awful (in my opinion) things done in the name of "creativity." And, you're right, a lot of awful "traditional" productions. I try to check reviews of productions ahead of time, but that's not always possible -- sometimes you have to buy the tickets far in advance. Theater people have a lot of fun with creative casting, costuming, staging, and even totally changing the point of various plays. But the audience is supposed to enjoy the production, too. If we audience members are supposed to respect the work and vision going into a production, and to try things that are different from what we expect, it's only right for the theater company to respect the audience's opinion if they hate it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:07:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT37uOo003753 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT37ciI044678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT37cDP054587; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIAr9S046838 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:10:49 -0800 Message-ID: <438B48BA.2040401@msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:13:14 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 18:10:49.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FBCE460:01C5F447] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I took one of my pin cushions apart lately and found no less than 31 needles stuck inside....I thought I had a needle eating monster (I know I have a sock eating monster!), now I know where to look next time! Sg > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:09:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT39FNi003823 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT38uO5044923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT38uWI055441; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJG6SX008241 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQO005KCIU8EXH6@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:15:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:15:40 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: opera In-reply-to: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've costumed a lot of period style operas-- for me the best way was to lightly bone the bodice of the gown so it gives the look , but doesn't drive the singers crazy... Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Caroline Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. On 28/11/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. > > And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions > > 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many places at the Handel festival > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:09:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT39na4003846 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT39SoT045030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT39SOv055771; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASK8Ym0053656 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 21639 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 12:07:38 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 21630, pid: 21634, t: 1.8713s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 12:07:36 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051128120220.0309aa30@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:08:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: Singing while wearing a corset, was [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000511281141o3ab21ebi@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000511281141o3ab21ebi@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:41 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Wow so many singers who are interested in costuming. I have to admit >I have only done a small amount of singing and only once in a circa >1800 corset. It did feel strange but those of you with more >experience would suggest that more practice in it would probably >help.. > >[big snip about opera specifics] While I am not an opera singer, I have done quite a bit of singing in full Elizabethan court dress over the past 20 years; I have no trouble projecting a considerable distance out of doors (and making echoes indoors). One thing the corseting does is keep your posture upright, which makes it easier to support your breathing for singing. This, of course, assumes that your corset is properly fitted and worn correctly (snug enough for support and not so tight that breathing is difficult). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:14:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3EFp6004038 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT38oxR044891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT38oxB055365; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASJ7aMH099945 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 39305 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 19:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.116.110 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 19:07:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051128190356.01d81f98@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:07:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 18:43 28/11/2005, you wrote: >I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of >thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper >corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as >without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and >quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not >sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. > >Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to >think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a >corset. > >On 28/11/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the > direction of the production, with opera and any other > "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period > instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern > orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least > male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that > head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern > music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. Certainly in comparatively recent times, I worked with an opera singer who insisted on wearing a corset if the part called for it, and there was no reduction in volume from her voice. At Glyndebourne in Sussex, one of the premier opera houses in England, some singers would wear them, and some refused. If you are used to wearing it corset during your normal life, it would not be a problem to sing in one. You learn to breathe differently - I certainly never had problems myself. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3UeNA004809 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT3UHEZ047875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3UCh1067550; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3UA5v067525 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goddessandqueen@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so12597wxc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HzbYxoARfHZE11b+SRY9h1EEssBHt/TH6vL8BRpIssJW0w4sS88ocVZSVzB3xpb125nN6h97yNGw3ByovSDGyDt4/1uwF2uDpQqKuvbgBDXIRdj8Ggbly5bgcaHHaDmxC4sK6VcAFY9bIlDeuzSv3UrJ2SuCA/kfvKoH/RJNJZE= Received: by 10.70.131.12 with SMTP id e12mr2956622wxd; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.44.16 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:30:10 -0600 From: pixel To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vintage thread question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAT3UeNA004809 I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? Anybody have any suggestions? Many thanks, Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3fWW0005234 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT3fDTL049212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3fBYn073216; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3f71f073135 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D4140BF2 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:41:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438BCDCC.1090006@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:41:00 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com pixel wrote: > Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? > Anybody have any suggestions? > If it's not rotten, and you're not attached to it, go ahead and sew with it. I have some that was my grandmothers that I am slowly using up, thinking of her each time I pull one from the rack. Keep the empty wooden spools though, they don't make real ones any more. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3j9m3005373 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:45:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT3iqdJ049568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3iqBV074977; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3iotu074962 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so2770816wxc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:44:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ELkdBrI0CAsD/s+vCFOBIedie3c6s4ek9vmc+yYIMB5AsfhQVoqtDCCiq7GEvzd9tgh7CWS/OBonzQJ7Z2J5NnrUi4IkzJvfclI5lfqsPFt5oeQStVZWzlzdcMDdrx5sYt+FqoFMKUkQwlCOXZ2dEkH7KMGe2jYcDMmDnurPhyU= Received: by 10.70.54.16 with SMTP id c16mr6064682wxa; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.91.18 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:44:50 -0600 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question In-Reply-To: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAT3iotu074962 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Old thread has a tendency to be rather weak. I inherited quite a bit of old silk thread - and I only made the mistake of sewing with it once. It broke incessantly once I started wearing the garment - I finally had to re-do all the seams that were under even a little bit of stress. I keep it around as it is suitable for small bits of decorative work, where the thread really isn't under any tension, but other than that, it isn't good for much. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT41LbJ005904 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:01:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT411WM054404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT40wLY085997; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT40pan085893 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A26B0200; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:00:43 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Nov 2005 23:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c5f499$a2a62be0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:01:50 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >From my own experience, depending on the age and quality of storage, a lot of the thread may be only usable on spool for ambiance in a "sewing box" of vintage collecting. Some of the labels suggest this. If you are planning to try to use some of it, I suggest you 'test' each spool for necessary strength, or the garment thus constructed will probably fall apart as you sew... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "pixel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Vintage thread question I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? Anybody have any suggestions? Many thanks, Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:09:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT49EFp006146 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:09:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT47f06055760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT47det089528; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAT47YaK089469 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 23100 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 20:06:35 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23076, pid: 23090, t: 0.9065s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 20:06:34 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051128200250.0309b820@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question In-Reply-To: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com > References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 07:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with >some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an >entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old >thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding >Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, >in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do >with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? >Anybody have any suggestions? > >Many thanks, > >Jen I'd sew with it. Over the years I have found many older spools of thread; if they have not deteriorated due to poor storage conditions, I use them. I don't like to hand sew with Dual Duty (the cotton-wrapped polyester stuff) unless I am doing some beadwork (it's actually recommended in some instruction books and works well for that). I like the greater number of sizes of thread that were available many years ago. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:47:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT4l5eg007432 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:47:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT4kf0i059490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4kefX009823; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4kYhw009721 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so29111wxc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uiIpVrnczvLzwkTWxaRM9rspM5fgTjI2fA1iRPmD+tUjhrXetHB2Y1GBRbH4ZwiVLSMvKcNBciizF1y3eTSAzUuG5DTCe9i4S8qT+gqKIhS+jD0IOplz9KU7Md1MFePMOpXCcBmUV6emdJ05w74aQDfY8d21ol8R1nIwpNeDJis= Received: by 10.70.46.13 with SMTP id t13mr2344364wxt; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:03 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAT4kYhw009721 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Working with velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's been ages since I worked with the stuff. I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a nasty squished mess. Got any hints? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT4xVna007888 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT4xBe1060617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4xAVf015997; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4x6n7015903 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A00A0148; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:58:50 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Nov 2005 23:58:35 -0500 Message-ID: <006801c5f4a1$bb9763a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051128200250.0309b820@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:59:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com And another possibility is using it to make 'found lace'...random sewing/embroidery on a soluble filament that you wash away after you are done with the machine part. One of the trendy new crafts (for leftover thread!). Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question > At 07:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: > >I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with > >some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an > >entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old > >thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding > >Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, > >in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do > >with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? > >Anybody have any suggestions? > > > >Many thanks, > > > >Jen > > I'd sew with it. Over the years I have found many older spools of > thread; if they have not deteriorated due to poor storage conditions, > I use them. I don't like to hand sew with Dual Duty (the > cotton-wrapped polyester stuff) unless I am doing some beadwork (it's > actually recommended in some instruction books and works well for > that). I like the greater number of sizes of thread that were > available many years ago. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 03:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT89aO0027897 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:09:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT87MK6075704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT87Hn9099930; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT87CZF099889 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD7FA3642A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:07:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] o/t online forum Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:07:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1011626.1133188610990.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Have you run across this site? http://www.cma.org/explore/department.asp?deptgroup=3&display=&recNo=360 De -----Original Message----- I can't help on the subject of cost, but I can certainly say I'd welcome such classes. I occasionally embroider but not at your level, and I used to make bobbin lace and would like to return to doing that, with some guidance this time (learned it entirely from books!). --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 04:01:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT91Fsl008883 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:01:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT90dxc079006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT90bMk021573; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT90XsM021540 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1024E6FC0D for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:00:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ca01c5f4c4$03119b20$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:05:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Irons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think my 28yo GE iron is giving up to ghost. Problem is this: I volunteered to make curtains for a friend who is having a baby - she doesn't have time as the doctor wants to induce her 3 wks early (due to diabetes in the family). I need to get them done like today or tomorrow and I don't have time to research irons. So, can I please get some recommendations? Something, sturdy, mid-range, easy to find (cause this is Seattle and they're prediciting snow off and on for the week and I might have to get it at either a Joanns, Fred Meyers, or Sears store) and without an automatic off timer thingy that drives me nuts when I use other peoples. Thanks a bunch Susan in Bellevue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 07:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATCImW0019263 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATCIAmF093851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATCI0og005517; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATCHu84005468 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1ee.47cf693d (4214) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:17:46 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.47cf693d.30bda0ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:17:46 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/28/2005 11:59:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: And another possibility is using it to make 'found lace'...random sewing/embroidery on a soluble filament that you wash away after you are done with the machine part And another idea, if you don't want to risk using the thread to sew--make a necklace with the spools, with the thread still on them. Combine with interesting beads, perhaps some vintage fabric scraps--make a statement and remember your mom at the same time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 09:49:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATEnJBh025510 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:49:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATEmcru026354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEmYf7081671; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEmUpG081565 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:48:24 -0800 Message-ID: <438C6ACD.1030609@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 14:48:24.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[F34801E0:01C5F4F3] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Cin, I do a lot of hand basting with silk thread to prevent shifting. Sort of in a ladder pattern both vertical and horizontal. I will review my Threads articles on sewing with velvet. I don't recall any recommendations to do so, but I suppose you could "shear" the velvet seam allowances like you do when working with fur. Also, do you have a velvet pressing pad? They are either a bunch of little pins or even stiff brushy type ironing pads. What kind of velvet is it? If it is cotton, washing it up first will soften it alot. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 09:52:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATEq00m025610 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:52:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATEpg0D027265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEpf0I083717; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEpXJc083591 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:51:28 -0800 Message-ID: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:53:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 14:51:28.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[60EDC540:01C5F4F4] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what everyone got? I can set it up on my site if you like or we can find some external picture site which would allow folks to upload their own. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:06:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATF6Kxo026052 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATF5lw9031865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATF5jZH093038; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATF5g7E092965 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.272.de4738 (3956) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:05:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <272.de4738.30bdc83a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:05:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] This is gorgeous! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/28/2005 10:12:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: although I haven't yet attempted to make anything period. ***************** The actual construction of this jacket would not be too hard or too removed from any modern jacket. Applying the soutache on the other hand..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATFXKi3026888 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:33:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATFRoND039192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFRjHj008239; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFRcwK008140 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Eh7OK-0005cV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1327200.1133278056513.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:27:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I usually put tissue paper between the layers. That discourages creep and also seems to enable the pile to move out of the way of the needle rather than getting squished under the thread, so the seam doesn't really show after sewing. But I haven't got a trick to deal with thickness, other than gritting my teeth, muttering under my breath, and pushing the fabric that's under the presser foot down as hard as I can with my forefingers! --That, or sew it by hand. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Cin Sent: Nov 28, 2005 11:46 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Working with velvet Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's been ages since I worked with the stuff. I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a nasty squished mess. Got any hints? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:39:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATFd1ko027094 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:39:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATFXT4e040979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFXQf7012297; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFXNBm012154 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005112915331601400n3j8be>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:16 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:15 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irons Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:15 +0000 Message-Id: <112920051533.11058.438C74BB0006134100002B3222007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I live in Everett WA and Costco has a great iron (can't remember the brand - and I'm at work - drat!) that I think is equal to the Rowenta that I have, and about half the price. It's got a 'computerized' setting selection LCD (I think that's what it's called) with up/down buttons to select syn/silk/wool/cotton/linen. It has a separate lever to select steam functions too. The shot of steam is wonderful. I'll post the brand when I get home. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > I think my 28yo GE iron is giving up to ghost. > > Problem is this: I volunteered to make curtains for a friend who is having a > baby - she doesn't have time as the doctor wants to induce her 3 wks early > (due to diabetes in the family). I need to get them done like today or > tomorrow and I don't have time to research irons. > > So, can I please get some recommendations? Something, sturdy, mid-range, > easy to find (cause this is Seattle and they're prediciting snow off and on > for the week and I might have to get it at either a Joanns, Fred Meyers, or > Sears store) and without an automatic off timer thingy that drives me nuts > when I use other peoples. > > Thanks a bunch > > Susan in Bellevue > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATFspCh027637 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATFs9kl045097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFs1Jp027974; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFrwqA027846 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-68-165-23-240.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[68.165.23.240]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20051129155341112002sh2qe>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:41 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051129074819.0202f958@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:53:37 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irons In-Reply-To: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> References: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 07:27 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:05:14 -0800 >From: "Susan" >Subject: [h-cost] Irons >To: "Historical Costume" >Message-ID: <00ca01c5f4c4$03119b20$0300a8c0@sc> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I think my 28yo GE iron is giving up to ghost. > >Problem is this: I volunteered to make curtains for a friend who is having a >baby - she doesn't have time as the doctor wants to induce her 3 wks early >(due to diabetes in the family). I need to get them done like today or >tomorrow and I don't have time to research irons. > >So, can I please get some recommendations? Something, sturdy, mid-range, >easy to find (cause this is Seattle and they're prediciting snow off and on >for the week and I might have to get it at either a Joanns, Fred Meyers, or >Sears store) and without an automatic off timer thingy that drives me nuts >when I use other peoples. > >Thanks a bunch > >Susan in Bellevue I've gone through more irons in my life than I can count, and I'm always disappointed. I've tried all the high end one, like Rowenta and such, and I've never found one that didn't drip, or heat unevenly, or behave badly in some way. But recently I found the best iron I've ever had - no drip, no matter how much I use the shot of steam feature, able to steam while upright, coated (like teflon) bottom, retractable cord, and a few other goodies. It's a Sumbeam Steam Master model 4214, and it was a whopping $25 at WalMart. I'll never waste money on an expensive iron again! Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 11:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATG4iIP027953 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATG4DuA046276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATG49lk035950; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATG46jt035829 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0816DEB for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA571A3B for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Working with velvet Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06C8E20E@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Working with velvet Thread-Index: AcX0/GdD6OSTH32QRJCH0WAxh9v08QAAMOfA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 16:04:00.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[83305320:01C5F4FE] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jATG46jt035829 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Cin! Actually, you can steam velvet if you have one of 2 things: 1) a nail board -- this is the safest option, but they are very expensive, and tend to come in 4" square sizes, which are simply frustrating to work with. (IMHO) 2) You can iron and steam velvet if you put the pile face down into another piece of velvet whose pile is up. The pile from the bottom velvet keeps the pile in the garment from being crushed. The costume shop manager I learned this from said it worked best if you used the same fabric for both the garment and the "drop cloth". Personally, I made a velvet ironing board cover, and it's worked great for every velvet I've needed to iron. Depending on the strength of your iron (if you have an industrial iron for instance), I would be hesitant to use the full blast of the steam on this, especially if you are not using the same fabric for both velvets. But I have worked with a home iron and my velvet ironing board cover with no problems. I'm also a bit more paranoid about leaving the iron face down on the velvet then I am when ironing cotton or wool. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 11:58:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATGwYAM029970 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:58:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATGvx1t053652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATGvtTj080950; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jATGvqwE080855 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20108 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2005 16:57:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bqbVuw1o9zw50f3sMga7MqyfnYkj3z12G2lptvfSJ8bg9GF2hO2tHg2x1ZOo1+8Mj7+35NkgEif3yjWbYf/B41pjWO+TRZeXd+BU5YKdjsO+QCtbF/DvoIBXTeQTHBr27Nx0wX43qpbSyk3W8nvIgv+KmfNWItmsF6zRelfNjto= ; Message-ID: <20051129165747.20106.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:57:47 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511271902.jARJ04fB097291@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another on Opera/Theatre in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm coming in late on this as I had heistated to comment, but now feel like tossing in my two cents worth as well. I saw a production of Tristan and Isolde several years ago that left a lot to be desired. I'm not sure of the intent, but it was distracting as the costuming was from more than one period - and none of it "period" to the opera. The set design was also from left field. I did watch it through as the voices were beautiful, but the friend that attended with me said she had to just close her eyes and listen. One of my favorites was a production of Die Fledermaus - I couldn't tell you what the period was as I wasn't as costume conscious then, but they were gorgeous! I have also seen a lot of Shakespeare, some in period costume some not. I saw a production of Taming of the Shrew in a 20th century Bohemian setting. It worked well I thought. I can see where a gently firm corset would help with breath support especially with the Queen of the Night's aria. But my favorite - even though it has been commercialized - is the Flower Duet from Lakme'. I did see that done in period costume - more or less - as the costumes were more representative for the British solidiers than accurate and seemed, as I recall, a little more showy than the actual uniforms would have been. But that is theatre after all, isn't it? Annette M (local to both the Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. Opera companies and ventures to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival on occasion) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 12:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATHt5BF032036 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATHsY4t062952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATHsTwX031724; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jATHsLHm031513 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28789 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 18:44:23 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:44:23 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> References: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > everyone got? Saragrace, What a cool idea! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 13:09:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATI9fVC032538 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:09:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATI7fZj065763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATI7ZkG045298; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATI7V8l045174 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3CBC5A0B79; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:30:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.120]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E270CA06E4 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:29:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <020101c5f50f$f203ff70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:08:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm for it. -E House ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a >> webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what >> everyone got? > > Saragrace, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 13:32:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATIW1oC000926 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:32:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATIVRSm069305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIVKef076918; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIVA2B076720 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993240C13 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:31:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:31:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com WickedFrau wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > everyone got? Fine by me, though folks without a digital camera might be at a disadvantage. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 14:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATJ4N69002150 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:04:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATJ3fC5073794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJ3dow005575; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJ3anM005477 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22413 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:03:32 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:03:21 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX0/b+Pk1zb928eRzydBuG20B3DlAAC9sEg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jATJ3anM005477 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com While I usually make porcelain dolls from soft-fired greenware, a friend recently gave me a 24" Paradise Galleries Native American doll because she wanted the beautiful costume and hair ornaments for a doll she had made and is not a sewer. I want to dress the doll as Pocahontas(Matoaka)either on her wedding day to John Rolfe, or when she was at the English court for the 12th Night celebrations. While I could dress her as in her engraved portrait(the revised colors based on how engravers indicated colors through their engraving are gold dress, red surcoat, and white hat with gold band and white feather)and that is still an option, I'd like to do a wedding day or court dress. The doll is on a cloth body so the dress would have to be high-necked or have a shallow square neck. I found some red and gold Christmas fabric at Joann's at 70% off that might do. The striped design has a Jacobean feel to it and possibly hasn't sold as well as other fabrics because the stripe is horizontal and isn't obviously Christmassy. The excellent biography Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma only says that Pocahontas' wedding ensemble was imported from England and her father sent her a necklace of pearls. The 12th Night gown isn't described either. I'm guessing the pearls were freshwater, but have no idea as to the length or color of the necklace(white, natural, pink, grey, mixed?) Does anyone on the list know what pearls (white beads were worn, I know)a Powhatan "noble" woman would wear. Also I'm thinking of adding a white Jacobean surcoat, but made of white feathers. I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 14:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATJHEOV002656 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATJGE7K075471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJG7v8015629; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJG20x015472 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.261.26c9911 (3948) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:15:47 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <261.26c9911.30be02e3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:15:47 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] Working with velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com big very fluffy towels work too.> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 15:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATKKwV1005473 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATKKS44084282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKKMX1069047; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay104-f16.bay104.hotmail.com [65.54.175.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKKKO1068928 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laughingkat@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:20:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:20:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.45.239.83] X-Originating-Email: [laughingkat@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laughingkat@hotmail.com From: "Katharine Zore" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:20:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 20:20:10.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BF8B1D0:01C5F522] Subject: [h-cost] ironing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi... ummm, I hope that I am doing this right. My name is Katy and I am a college student who signed up on this list a long time ago more to learn then to participate. But I was reading about ironing and thought that I might put in a word. I once did the ironing for the priest on my campus (the linens we use at mass and such). He had washed them but did not put them in the dryer. To keep them wet he kept them in the ridge and then while you ironed you not only took out all wrinkles but also dried them!! Another side effect is having a slight steam facial. lol. Since I am a poor student- and I dropped my iron at the beginning of last year so it leaks when I do put water in it. I have resorted to this method which really does work! Katy- an eager learner. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 15:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATKTaT5005893 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATKTHwT085467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKTELg076192; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKTA9J076152 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jHI58uLtlTCQleBWFPCrgXOZvyrd0B0ZC0LnZIX4o/HTCSaxiuVaOWt/O9p85WVN; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.125] (helo=boris) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EhC69-0002fb-Lb for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:29:09 -0500 Message-ID: <03da01c5f523$91cb08b0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:29:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4800143da627298c5a5d60fb76e7c5cb7507c87288fcf778e7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.125 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] ironing > I once did the ironing for the priest on my campus (the linens we use at > mass and such). He had washed them but did not put them in the dryer. To > keep them wet he kept them in the ridge and then while you ironed you not > only took out all wrinkles but also dried them!! > Another side effect is having a slight steam facial. lol. > > Since I am a poor student- and I dropped my iron at the beginning of last > year so it leaks when I do put water in it. I have resorted to this method > which really does work! > > Katy- an eager learner. My grandmother took in ironing for extra money all her life, and she used to use a sprinkler can to dampen the clothing before it was ironed. If she couldn't get to it imediately, she'd store the damp clothes in her freezer until she could. It worked much better than using the steam function on the iron. She only used that when she was sewing. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 16:41:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATLf7g5008535 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATLeM5N097227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLeIaD044873; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLeDpr044723 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BAE319C9A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:40:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:40:00 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I am planning on making a regency gown. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm And I have found the perfect cotton voile. But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. The discription says heavy white cotton thread. It looks not very tightly spun. Has anyone any idea what I could use? I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my taste. Like the subtle smaller patterns better. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 17:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATMs9UE010964 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATMrY7v008615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATMrTlR002762; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATMrPEn002642 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b2.ebc2d0 (4254) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:11 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for babies who aren't born yet, for example. I've emailed the company in question to get a measurement but haven't heard back yet, and I need to get these in the mail soon. I went to the store today to see if I could find ready-made garments to measure. This is not only a huge inconvenience, but almost futile, as everything I saw in the store had long straight sleeves! Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:08:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATN8k4D011431 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:08:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATN8RHm010449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATN8PIe014307; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATN8MUX014192 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brenna.sharp@comcast.net) Received: from horse (c-24-21-202-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.202.55]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005112923081601400n68nue>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:08:16 +0000 Message-ID: <01b301c5f539$e5b34800$6500a8c0@had1.or.comcast.net> From: "Brenna" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <001901c5f451$d07fec60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:08:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I stuff my pincushions with half-scoured wool fleece. Wash it enough to get rid of the pasture but not so much as to strip the lanolin. Keeps pins and needles sharp and lubed longer than anything else I've ever used.... -Brenna > > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > > sand or fiberfill? > > > > Roscelin > > > Hi Riscelin, > My embroidery magazines have many different pin cushions to make and they > all have fiber fill in them, like polyester fill. It looks like vatting and > it is very good to use! > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:27:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNROnO012031 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:27:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNRAfs012958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:27:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNR3YB028573; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNQjsq028294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-19-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.19]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jATNQd08028354 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:26:41 +1100 Message-ID: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:26:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com That sounds like a great idea, I think one of the photo sharing websites might work best as we can allow multiple people to upload their own photos. I've used http://www.myphotoalbum.com/ for the amiperiodornot photos (http://amiperiodornot.myphotoalbum.com/) because it allows voting and comments and it's designed to let a lot of different people upload photos (one of the previous administrators just has to set up an account for them). Perhaps we could set up a h-cost photo album and create IDs for members of this list who ask, that way, rather than having it hosted on one website which only one person has access to everyone could upload their own, and nobody here is paying for the extra bandwidth and one person doesn't get swamped by emails with photo attachments. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > everyone got? > > I can set it up on my site if you like or we can find some external > picture site which would allow folks to upload their own. > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:29:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNTklk012112 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:29:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNSvOb013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNSpbP030077; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNSl4A030019 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBC94B474 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:28:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:28:43 +1100 Message-ID: <1133306923.438ce42b8af5e@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:28:43 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing References: <03da01c5f523$91cb08b0$0400a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <03da01c5f523$91cb08b0$0400a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ironing? Ironing? Did someone say ironing? I am anally retentive when it comes to ironing -- if it does not have a crease you can cut bread with, it ain't ironed. I guess it all goes back to my childhood, my first holidays job at a large industrial laundry, work that included preparing formal waistcoats, bibs, bow ties and so forth for the private gentlemen's clubs. My favourite thing, and another way of getting a facial, was the steam pipe with the flattened end for putting folds in formal shirt collars and so forth. My rulez? Don't be lazy, don't put water in the iron, you cannot control when some brown gunk is going to choose to visit your shirt, use a sprinkling can/bottle or a spray bottle; Constantly adjust your temperature for the job at hand; Take your time and get it right, go over things if you made an unwanted wrinkle; Remember that, on pure cotton, starch is your true god; Use a think padding on your board with a natural fibre cover; Collect as many tailoring aids as you can think of (hams, etc.). At a pinch, a football can be used. Collect as many useless things to do with ironing as you can lay hands on (coal- heated irons, combustion stove-heated irons, old Singer iron stands). You are not required to use them, just have them in the same way as you must have much fabric; Have several working irons -- one for fabric, one for spare, one for shaping polystyrene props...; Keep your iron clean with quality floor cleaners that can take off any muck -- when worse gets to worst, do as I do and take a powerdrill fitted with a wire brush to the thing (which also helps remove that stoopid teflon people think looks good but will -- sooner or later -- flake off on your best whites). Thanks for the bandwidth, I am heading back to my looney bin now, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:47:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNlDD9012919 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNfpFN014990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNflbq039821; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNfgQZ039687 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 37525030 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:56:14 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:41:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c5f53e$78390f30$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's not the pattern company's fault that your granddaughters are in Florida. I have the same problem if I'm sewing for my daughter while she's at school. I NEVER use the measurement given in the pattern (if there is one) for elastic. I measure directly on the body in question. In your case, have someone measure the girls' wrists and let you know. The other option is to thread in the elastic but don't join the ends, and don't close the casing. Let their mother or father do it at the other end, when the girls have tried on the garment. If none of those will work, just guess and err a bit on the large side. They can always use a safety pin. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for babies who aren't born yet, for example. I've emailed the company in question to get a measurement but haven't heard back yet, and I need to get these in the mail soon. I went to the store today to see if I could find ready-made garments to measure. This is not only a huge inconvenience, but almost futile, as everything I saw in the store had long straight sleeves! Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNsSqK013183 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:54:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNs1Dh016609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNrvgS048994; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNrlPo048814 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2bd.6d2ca (16335) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:53:38 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2bd.6d2ca.30be4402@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:53:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/29/2005 6:42:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: If none of those will work, just guess and err a bit on the large side. They can always use a safety pin. ***************** Measure a kid that is close to the size of the girls...y'know, your neighbor's or something. It's elastic! It's a wrist measurement or an upper arm measurement. How different can it be? If it with in 2" of the correct measurement, it should work. Any measurement that pattern company might come up with will be just as much of an educated guess. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU01thK013452 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:01:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNtvtc016889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNttvt050496; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNtkmg050354 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQQ00JKOQGOXN59@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:55:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:55:33 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns In-reply-to: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Why don't you have the girl's mom loosly measure their wrists? Elastic specs are tricky in a factory. If something is too tight it will not fit or sell. Best Regards- Dame Catriona MacDuff (Monica Spence-- designer and patternmaker for kid's swimwear) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for babies who aren't born yet, for example. I've emailed the company in question to get a measurement but haven't heard back yet, and I need to get these in the mail soon. I went to the store today to see if I could find ready-made garments to measure. This is not only a huge inconvenience, but almost futile, as everything I saw in the store had long straight sleeves! Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0HDsp013983 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0ANcx018660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0AKJ2061381; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0AI6H061291 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005113000101301300pn3lje>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:10:13 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:10:12 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:10:12 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050010.11880.438CEDE4000410A600002E6822058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thank you, Bjarne, for your suggestion. Can any of those magazines be bought in the U.S.? They sound interesting. Roscelin > Hi Riscelin, > My embroidery magazines have many different pin cushions to make and they > all have fiber fill in them, like polyester fill. It looks like vatting and > it is very good to use! > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:48:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0m8nw015062 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0lhLs023710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0leeE087304; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIS9iq073941 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F83C07A2 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:27:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:27:55 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051129182758.27F83C07A2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I am planning on making a regency gown. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm And I have found the perfect cotton voile. But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. The discription says heavy white cotton thread. It looks not very tightly spun. Has anyone any idea what I could use? I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my taste. Like the subtle smaller patterns better. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0mMHn015072 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:48:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0m8f2023775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0m82c087595; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIY76b079685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-135.sonic.net [209.148.114.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIY4sv031687 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:34:05 -0800 Message-ID: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:34:09 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their gift? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up > a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see > what everyone got? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0n38T015100 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0mg18023864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0mg0A087961; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJ44jT005747 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511291903490130005kghe>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:03:49 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:03:48 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:03:48 +0000 Message-Id: <112920051903.10050.438CA613000E47880000274222007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Great idea! But what about the folks who don't have digital cameras? Roscelin > WickedFrau wrote: > > > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > > everyone got? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0nCQt015106 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0mm8X023890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0mm63088031; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJhjB2038383 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so70751nzf for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=a5F4FMbSy6N6+XKth5egoQSKzCzgYN+9m6CQJDgGCFPRLJvLkDpyqEXXUcD7HWcnXAQnylzKgap8WbknvhvZGQ/sl6wsweI67Jji7i9FD7QuE4UX4/DKIw7P3ywtD1aoXzR9cyMykGQhFB3w6ya5VNI1ldkK+GFpkKUREb7agZE= Received: by 10.65.75.6 with SMTP id c6mr913222qbl; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jATJhjB2038383 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What does "herigaudz" mean? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This question is probably for the native & historical French speakers in the crowd. I'm reading a friends circa 14th c manuscript by Robert Grosseteste wherein he gives a rule for clothes (livery) worn by servants. I'm puzzled by one word. Here's the original in transcription: Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes chescun ionr e nomement a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre honour garder ne pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes curtepies. That's the problem phrase, 'soulletz herigaudz', I'll tell you what I think it is but I dont want to predispose your opinion. I've looked at 2 english translations, and dont agree with them. Care to opine? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0nd3x015117 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0nFiN023952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0nFh6088256; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLoIiG067222 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C417A365E8 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Court outfit. she's age 20 and died a few months after this portrait. http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1001/poca_pic.html De Who lives a few miles away from decendents of Pocahantas' sister. And one of them at age 20 looked like Pocahontas. -----Original Message----- I want to dress the doll as Pocahontas(Matoaka)either on her wedding day to John Rolfe, or when she was at the English court for the 12th Night celebrations. While I could dress her as in her engraved portrait(the revised colors based on how engravers indicated colors through their engraving are gold dress, red surcoat, and white hat with gold band and white feather)and that is still an option, I'd like to do a wedding day or court dress. The doll is on a cloth body so the dress would have to be high-necked or have a shallow square neck. I found some red and gold Christmas fabric at Joann's at 70% off that might do. The striped design has a Jacobean feel to it and possibly hasn't sold as well as other fabrics because the stripe is horizontal and isn't obviously Christmassy. I'm guessing the pearls were freshwater, but have no idea as to the length or color of the necklace(white, natural, pink, grey, mixed?) Does anyone on the list know what pearls (white beads were worn, I know)a Powhatan "noble" woman would wear. Also I'm thinking of adding a white Jacobean surcoat, but made of white feathers. I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0nkE3015126 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0nOf2024001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0nOxQ088370; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATMSc7e038943 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6100288; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:28:32 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.153 ([209.131.80.153] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 29 Nov 2005 17:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c5f534$6179bd80$995083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:29:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Deredere, One of the advantages of using cotton embroidery skeins is that each skein is made up of 6 strands. These can be broken down to the strand width that is more pleasing to your taste. However, it has been my experience in doing white-on-white that three or four strands will probably be necessary to create the texture that is expected in the designs you have presented. Floss is softer in look and use than, say, crochet cotton (Which comes in differing thicknesses.) I suspect that the floss of the time was probably less malleable than what we have at our convenience now. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > Hi, > I am planning on making a regency gown. > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > > But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. > The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > It looks not very tightly spun. > Has anyone any idea what I could use? > > I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. > There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my taste. > Like the subtle smaller patterns better. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:53:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0rQLn015223 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:53:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0r98Q024481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0r6Ar090537; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU08Log059877 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005113000081501300pj3joe>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:08:15 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:08:12 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:08:12 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050008.8244.438CED6C000AA4330000203422058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My couch is the pin/needle eating monster. I guess when I make some pin cushions for holiday gifts - I better make one for myself also. ;-) Roscelin > I took one of my pin cushions apart lately and found no less than 31 > needles stuck inside....I thought I had a needle eating monster (I know > I have a sock eating monster!), now I know where to look next time! > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:53:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0rbhF015233 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:53:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0rLAS024507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0rLA7090706; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0UFLD074683 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005113000301001400qch73e>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:30:10 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:30:08 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: Pin Cushion Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:30:08 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050030.27163.438CF28F00072E8300006A1B22007507849C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Carol, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - been working on the preperations for a medieval Yule Feast. I hope your offer of some wool is still good. Let me know what you need from me; shipping, etc. Roscelin > Unspun wool would work a treat. Or sawdust. Me, I'd use the wool. > Email me I should have some combings from the wedding shawl I'm > supposed to be spinning... > Ta > Carol > -- > Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:53:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0refW015236 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0rP8I024535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0rQFj090750; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0bCS4079241 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005113000370601300piv24e>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:07 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:06 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:06 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050037.29811.438CF43200085EA90000747322058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greetings Katheryne, If your offer of some wool is still open, I would be very happy to receive a bit of it. It doesn't matter about the color of the wool since it will be packed in to the pin cushion covering. Roscelin > If you don't mind what color the wool is - I have some 'raw' brown wool that I > could send you. > > Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0vLor015376 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0uleC025184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0ujMV092879; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0ugV4092790 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <438CF959.5060104@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:59:05 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns References: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 00:56:37.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA7BF5D0:01C5F548] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ann, don't take this the wrong way, but how would you feel if the pattern companies responded to you and gave you an "average" that didn't work for your grandkids? I know it is not always easy to get parents to accurately measure so I deal with my nephews the same way Kim does. I leave the wrist open and safety pin the elastic to approximately where it should be. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 20:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU1JXCS015975 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU1Ig5X027305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU1IeHi005155; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:18:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU1Iajo005124 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:18:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 72147 invoked by uid 16115); 30 Nov 2005 01:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.129.59]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Nov 2005 01:18:37 -0000 Message-ID: <438CFCAD.6070805@misc.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:13:17 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns References: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? Good luck, Theresa Eacker AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2Ecna017634 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2Dpjb032251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2DibD036500; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2Dela036394 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:13:34 -0800 Message-ID: <438D0B63.6020901@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:03 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 02:13:34.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAFA7AC0:01C5F553] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think this is a great idea. I will look into it further and get back to everyone! Sg Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > That sounds like a great idea, I think one of the photo sharing > websites might work best as we can allow multiple people to upload > their own photos. I've used http://www.myphotoalbum.com/ for the > amiperiodornot photos (http://amiperiodornot.myphotoalbum.com/) > because it allows voting and comments and it's designed to let a lot > of different people upload photos (one of the previous administrators > just has to set up an account for them). Perhaps we could set up a > h-cost photo album and create IDs for members of this list who ask, > that way, rather than having it hosted on one website which only one > person has access to everyone could upload their own, and nobody here > is paying for the extra bandwidth and one person doesn't get swamped > by emails with photo attachments. > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:53 AM > Subject: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? > > >> Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting >> up a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see >> what everyone got? >> >> I can set it up on my site if you like or we can find some external >> picture site which would allow folks to upload their own. >> >> Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:15:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2FFlL017659 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:15:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2EifK032342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2EiE1037074; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2EeGA036984 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:14:35 -0800 Message-ID: <438D0BA0.2050101@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:17:04 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 02:14:35.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEFD3AC0:01C5F553] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com But of course! O:-) Lavolta Press wrote: > What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their > gift? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:16:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2GFAd017681 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:16:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2G4xC032516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2G3GW037869; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2G1Br037807 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:15:55 -0800 Message-ID: <438D0BF0.4090002@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:18:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 02:15:55.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[FECC9C00:01C5F553] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hopefully someone on one end or the other of the exchange will have one. We should ask those who are sending to make pictures if at all possible in case the receiver doesn't have access to one! I can also scan "normal" photographs! Sg Dawn wrote: > > Fine by me, though folks without a digital camera might be at a > disadvantage. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2LMYF017831 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2L3ht033112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2L13l040369; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2Kv0J040288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:20:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU3tvtU026191 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:55:57 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:23:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511292123.38502.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:57 pm, Diana Habra wrote: > > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > > everyone got? > > Saragrace, > > What a cool idea! Doing such a page would have the advantage of encouraging those of us (like me) who were too cowardly to participate this year. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:31:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2VU1E018108 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2VBhM034087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2V9u8045604; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2V5cF045520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU465bq026512 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:06:05 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:33:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511292133.46716.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Tuesday 29 November 2005 9:17 pm, WickedFrau wrote: > But of course! O:-) > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their > > gift? Whether or not the individual recipients do wait till Christmas to open their gifts, I do think that any "gift exchange" photo site should not go up until after the Christmas holiday. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2jqjZ018576 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2jXoJ035728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2jVEh052998; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2jNPT052908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.190] (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAU2jBqV013188 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:44:15 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I already sent my gift to my person without this in mind, so I'm not keen on the idea. If people want to show off something they made, they could do a page like Bjarne does. People do this all the time with dress diaries, etc., and then it's up to the person who made it. I picked out what I sent based on my person's interests, not with the idea that it would be shown to everyone on the list. While it's nice of people to offer web space, I think both people should decide if they want to post a picture. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 22:03:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU33WE8019118 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:03:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU3341Z037252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU332Di061243; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU32wRJ061206 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EhIFF-0006Go-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:02:57 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051129205339.02fcba70@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:02:30 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> References: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Earlier this year, both of us were working on velvet elizabethans. Pierre's doublet has some of the same problems. He used a thick towel, but in some places you can see iron squishing. I much prefer the real needle board - yeah, they're expensive, but they work SO-O-O-O-O much better. You can use lots of steam (as much as the fabric will handle, anyway) and really lean on it - even use a clapper - without crushing the nap. You must let the fabric dry completely before removing it - otherwise any touch will mar the nap as well. I'm lucky - mine is 4" x 12", with a heavy cotton canvas base which lets it curve over a ham if needed. I got it at least 20 years ago, and it cost $50 then. I panic if I forget where I left it last, and I need it. The small size is only a problem if you need to press large areas - usually seams (especially those you have in the epaulets) aren't that big a hassle. HTH, Sandy At 09:27 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:03 -0800 >From: Cin >Subject: [h-cost] Working with velvet > >Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's >been ages since I worked with the stuff. >I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple >layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in >sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just >grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack >the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a >nasty squished mess. >Got any hints? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes > >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0700 >From: WickedFrau >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet > >Hi Cin, I do a lot of hand basting with silk thread to prevent >shifting. Sort of in a ladder pattern both vertical and horizontal. >Also, do you have a velvet pressing pad? They are either a bunch of >little pins or even stiff brushy type ironing pads. > >Sg > >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:27:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet > >But I haven't got a trick to deal with thickness, other than >gritting my teeth, muttering under my breath, and pushing the fabric >that's under the presser foot down as hard as I can with my >forefingers! --That, or sew it by hand. >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 22:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU3CPr8019344 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU3C1VB038010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU3C0B9065721; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU3BuYe065690 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAU34Mk05072 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:04:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00cf01c5f55c$c18bfb20$39bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:18:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'll open mine on Solstice. ;o) If I can wait that long. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? > What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their gift? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > WickedFrau wrote: > > > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up > > a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see > > what everyone got? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 02:29:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU7TY0b031199 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:29:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7RoSq062383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Rlf2077537; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Ri9t077518 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU7S3v2020159 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:28:03 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7VfHF026036 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051127215715.0267f698@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:36:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-Reply-To: <000f01c5f2bb$6e221260$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >The toe is the flax that is thrown away from sheathing. Go to a period >farm for it. Look for it called "tow", as in "tow-headed" for a flaxen-haired blonde. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 02:29:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU7Tf5a031259 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7SdJ4062456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7SZXr077782; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Rjxq077526 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU7S4v2020188 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:28:04 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7VfHJ026036 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:52 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051129112035.026c67b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:21:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? In-Reply-To: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >>Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a >>webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what >>everyone got? > >Fine by me, though folks without a digital camera might be at a disadvantage. Having a scanner might do the trick. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 02:29:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU7TYPK031200 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:29:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7RoA6062384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Rn3o077551; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7RiON077519 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU7S3v2020182 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:28:03 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7VfHH026036 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:30:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? In-Reply-To: References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >I took one of my pin cushions apart lately and found no less than 31 >needles stuck inside....I thought I had a needle eating monster (I know I >have a sock eating monster!), now I know where to look next time! My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion out of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 03:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU81R7j006985 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU8116o064539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80ULb092138; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80QQq092098 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F88B745 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051129210040.037029e0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:06:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 08:46 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's >been ages since I worked with the stuff. > >I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple >layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in >sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just >grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack >the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a >nasty squished mess. > >Got any hints? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com Hmmm... use a walking foot; baste with silk thread first, not just pins; grade with pinking shears and not too close to the seam line, or the turned edge will fray over time. Use a velvet board or fluffy dry towel or another piece of velvet to press with. There isn't much I've been able to do with multiple layers, other than to grade carefully and try to place as few seams in overlapping places as I can. May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 03:01:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU81U2S007000 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:01:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU811qE064538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80Ujh092139; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80QWK092102 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82E9B751 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051129230909.037060b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:09:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? In-Reply-To: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 10:34 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their gift? > >Fran Yes. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 04:17:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU9H62q024944 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU9DPp2070267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU9DLM9020736; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU9DHO8020676 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jAU9DBR26226.; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:11 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:12:53 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAU9DHO8020676 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've never owned a steam iron and neither has my Mum. Now that I have a tumble dryer, I only give the clothes a short tumble (which shakes the worst creases out of knitted cotton garments) and iron them while still damp. If they have got too dry I spray them with water. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> laughingkat@hotmail.com 29/11/2005 20:20 >>> wrote: I once did the ironing for the priest on my campus (the linens we use at mass and such). He had washed them but did not put them in the dryer. To keep them wet he kept them in the ridge and then while you ironed you not only took out all wrinkles but also dried them!! Another side effect is having a slight steam facial. lol. Since I am a poor student- and I dropped my iron at the beginning of last year so it leaks when I do put water in it. I have resorted to this method which really does work! Katy- an eager learner. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 07:29:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUCT0DV001767 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:29:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUCSOAa000123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCSKPT002236; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCSHM7002179 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.215.ea7ed61 (3858) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:28:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:15:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: I've never owned a steam iron and neither has my Mum. Now that I have a tumble dryer, I only give the clothes a short tumble (which shakes the worst creases out of knitted cotton garments) and iron them while still damp. If they have got too dry I spray them with water. I've found that a steam iron is required to do modern (or even 19th century) tailoring. I'm currently still using my Norelco; however, when it dies, I will be in the same pickle, as Norelco doesn't make steam irons anymore. I've found Black and Decker not very satisfactory. Haven't tried a Rowenta, but I had a Rowenta toaster once, and the thermostat never seemed to be consistent, so haven't high hopes for an iron. May consider a Sunbeam when the time comes. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 07:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUCq4Sn002487 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUCpjI6001806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCphEh012546; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCpdK1012488 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A0540300; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:51:32 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 07:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:52:32 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. Presently, I am enjoying the Sunbeam...especially since I discovered how to use the self -cleaning mode. I can even get the 'burst of steam' which was also a best feature with the Rowenta. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing > > In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:15:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: > > I've never owned a steam iron and neither has my Mum. Now that I have a > tumble dryer, I only give the clothes a short tumble (which shakes the worst > creases out of knitted cotton garments) and iron them while still damp. If they > have got too dry I spray them with water. > > > > I've found that a steam iron is required to do modern (or even 19th century) > tailoring. I'm currently still using my Norelco; however, when it dies, I > will be in the same pickle, as Norelco doesn't make steam irons anymore. I've > found Black and Decker not very satisfactory. Haven't tried a Rowenta, but I > had a Rowenta toaster once, and the thermostat never seemed to be > consistent, so haven't high hopes for an iron. > > May consider a Sunbeam when the time comes. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 08:42:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUDgBdP004063 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:42:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUDfWf1005352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUDfTPt035210; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (mxo2.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUDfP3m035157 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1578366183 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511300727.jAU7RnBB077557@net.indra.com> References: <200511300727.jAU7RnBB077557@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:53 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet pressing... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 12:27 AM -0700 11/30/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >as well. I'm lucky - mine is 4" x 12", with a heavy cotton canvas >base which lets it curve over a ham if needed. I got it at least 20 >years ago, and it cost $50 then. I panic if I forget where I left it >last, and I need it. Yah know they make straight toothed carding cloth. I know I've used my flat backed carder in a pinch, but don't do enough velvet to actually go and buy a bit o carder cloth... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 09:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUEE0Vk005106 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUE8Yr9008227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUE8WWr051172; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUE8TkQ051110 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: <438DB2EE.9040403@msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:10:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 14:08:24.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[86E93D60:01C5F5B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion > out of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. > But the fabric wasn't the problem! These had gotten driven so deep into the cushion that you'd never know they were there! =-O Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 09:34:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUEYSOn005848 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUEXwBL011185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEXute064795; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEXqMk064705 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e2.49bb69f4 (58435) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.49bb69f4.30bf1247@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:33:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/30/2005 7:52:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. Yes, and the "spit" usually indicates that the iron is not getting hot enough--hence, the unreliability of the thermostat. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 09:51:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUEpXUB006517 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUEohAK013374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEoedv074616; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEoaXA074512 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005113014503001400q5c1de>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:50:30 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:50:29 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:50:29 +0000 Message-Id: <113020051450.19651.438DBC35000020D400004CC322007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), so it doesn't keep slipping out. I hope this helps! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very > lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie > off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good > solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an > extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? > > Good luck, > > Theresa Eacker > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in > Maryland, so > > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 10:04:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUF4i14007027 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:04:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUF4C68014727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUF4ABI083143; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUF43tc083101 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5529.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A70F2628A1 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:03:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5f5bf$4b831e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Mia, Yes i agree on your words. The reason why i went to this opera was because the orkestra was Concerto Copenhagen, wich makes historical music. They go as far as standing up all the time while all the music is played, because this is what they did back then, and the opera was a 3 hours long performance. I go each time they play, because they are my favourite orkestra, last i went it was with Haendels Julius Ceasar, with Andreas Scholl as contra tenor. They also play copies of old instruments. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: opera > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the > production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider > whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is > done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or > at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups > that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern > music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. > > And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions > > 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD > Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments > from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many > places at the Handel festival > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 10:39:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUFdGo1008238 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUFcgTn019620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFcdXC006354; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAUFcYQ3006258 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15459 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 15:37:16 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:37:16 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:41:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:41:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When > behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. > Presently, I am enjoying the Sunbeam...especially since I discovered how > to > use the self -cleaning mode. I can even get the 'burst of steam' which > was > also a best feature with the Rowenta. I love how my Rowenta presses (and the steam is great) but the "spitting" is SOOO annoying! I went to press out my tablecloth yesterday and there was water everywhere!! This is my second one and I can't recommend them. I might just go get me a Sunbeam even though my iron isn't dead yet because I am tired of the problems. And it seems like an iron would be such a simple device!! Who knew? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 10:42:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUFgMZx008360 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUFfwqa021238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFfpwa009788; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound2.mail.tds.net (outbound2.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFfktA009563 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from htackett@tds.net) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound2.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id jAUFfh9x004374 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:41:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from Dinah ([69.128.133.245]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with ESMTP id <20051130154143.XYAX23063.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@Dinah> for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:41:43 -0600 From: "Dinah & Harold Tackett" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c5f5c4$908f9050$0302a8c0@Dinah> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcX0/b+Pk1zb928eRzydBuG20B3DlAAC9sEgAC4kbZA= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia Snipped: The excellent biography Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma only says that Pocahontas' wedding ensemble was imported from England and her father sent her a necklace of pearls. The 12th Night gown isn't described either. I'm guessing the pearls were freshwater, but have no idea as to the length or color of the necklace (white, natural, pink, grey, and mixed?) Does anyone on the list know what pearls (white beads were worn, I know) a Powhatan "noble" woman would wear. I grew up in Gloucester County, VA and Elementary school was a mile from the location of Powhatan village, so I am pretty sure that the would have been Saltwater Pearls. But considering the scale of a doll to adult, the freshwater ones should work well. On color, I would go with what works best for the outfit. Also I'm thinking of adding a white Jacobean surcoat, but made of white feathers. I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel On the research I have done on time period, I do not feel that the Europeans would have appreciated ANY native elements in dress (except the Pearls:-)). Most Europeans believed that they were civilizing the natives, and could not appreciate the culture. Dinah Tackett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 12:18:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUHIHN5010844 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:18:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUHGF38043024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHG6Jo096864; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHFvOI096718 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE450188; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:15:49 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 12:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c5f5d1$d8bd9400$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com><001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:16:44 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have had three R's and even experimented using distilled water exclusively! and even that was not the ultimate solution. Don't try working on a wedding dress !! Table linen is bad enough. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing > > > My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When > > behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. > > Presently, I am enjoying the Sunbeam...especially since I discovered how > > to > > use the self -cleaning mode. I can even get the 'burst of steam' which > > was > > also a best feature with the Rowenta. > > I love how my Rowenta presses (and the steam is great) but the "spitting" > is SOOO annoying! I went to press out my tablecloth yesterday and there > was water everywhere!! This is my second one and I can't recommend them. > I might just go get me a Sunbeam even though my iron isn't dead yet > because I am tired of the problems. > > And it seems like an iron would be such a simple device!! Who knew? > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 12:33:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUHX9x7011304 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUHWm5U045330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHWhQ0012196; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHWW3t011950 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:27 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:23 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc ============================== My only experience with this is a small local museum but they regularly vacuum their costume pieces, which are stored flat in acid-free tissue and boxes. For display, they are mounted on padded maneguins or forms, occasionally laid across a bed or something like that. A lot of the choice on how to display depended on the condition of the garment. They try to rotate their displays several times a year but that depends on staff/volunteer availability. Good luck :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 13:26:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUIQHki012844 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUIPPnC053439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIPH2T061463; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIP9b7061088 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:25:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 38356736 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:45:44 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5f5db$6e8378c0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Most clothes (exception: shawls, kimono) were never intended to be flat, but are shaped to the human body. One thing to beware of in display or storage is creasing. Use well-washed muslin or acid-free tissue inside sleeves and folds to prevent sharp creases forming. Another consideration is acid--avoid unsealed wood or cardboard, or any plastics that give off fumes. Clothes on display will definitely collect dust, and vacuuming is the way to remove it. BUT--it can also remove loose buttons and trim! Get a piece of fiberglass window screening, tape the cut edges to avoid snags, and always vacuum through the screen. Thisis not a job for your shop vac--low suction is preferred. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:32 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc ============================== My only experience with this is a small local museum but they regularly vacuum their costume pieces, which are stored flat in acid-free tissue and boxes. For display, they are mounted on padded maneguins or forms, occasionally laid across a bed or something like that. A lot of the choice on how to display depended on the condition of the garment. They try to rotate their displays several times a year but that depends on staff/volunteer availability. Good luck :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 13:33:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUIXMmI013031 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUIW0QV054217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIVtBa067718; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIVdrJ067179 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:31:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 37635762 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:46:11 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:31:42 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c5f5dc$4f96a490$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am so glad I don't have any of these ironing problems--years ago I bought a Euro-Pro system. It has a separate tank (no water in the iron) and a suction table for ironing. I found mine on sale, and have since had to replace the tank/iron unit with another, but the suction table still works great. It also doubles as a steamer, which is very handy for antique clothing. Other companies make similar systems. Look for a commercial ironing system. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 14:49:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUJnXYB015363 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUJmiLq064080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUJmTkr036078; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUJmMDK035981 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so186950wri for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:48:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ouvYAajpL8/oAuf1SI35fOD6W/wSdTCeoy8jdiavhMVtfEj47oxib4KjA2fT7p4UBPW9o2L+abzvacN8c1UoKLlPoF/Ll6rlrQAMd7bq2CG1DacQ79K/XACpJ3OTJnotx/9J9UDBTXi2+96xRv3rquYqvLIBlPDnVp1jt2IzQuE= Received: by 10.65.237.13 with SMTP id o13mr372282qbr; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p4sm151688qba.2005.11.30.11.48.21; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:48:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ba01c5f5e7$0599e770$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1e2.49bb69f4.30bf1247@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Our iron here doesn't have any of the problems usually associated with irons... My mother wanted one that made a lot of steam, so she checked the ratings in Consumer Reports and other magazines of the kind, and chose the Philips azur exel 10. It's been a few years so it's probably not sold anymore. It wasn't the cheapest model, but we've never, ever had problems with it. In any case, it makes *lots* of steam, even on low settings (I can steam wool), and it doesn't spit. I've never felt the need to use the spit button. Now, our travel iron... now THAT one spits. Yikes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 15:20:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKKbHk016306 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKH2jV067602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKGwCO063087; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKGmML062867 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8132E34CFD for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002501c5f5c4$908f9050$0302a8c0@Dinah> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Usually, either blue jay, blue bird or hummingbird. De -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 15:38:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKcbVl016806 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:38:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKc0DN070641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKbtvS083604; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKbnfj083489 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 18so61530nzp for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jBOz7Q42UCiao7hMt/oCAh3BpJUw4iF55RQQBNFb4hSOBl317Qehd9IMy5DehLWcqfydUwGE3YjWlWRhxcLD4RfuxFQuB0TnNAWZwNssYZRvbQ/RaOCXCAToFH1jDrFZsls7OO7wIY93wLBCvm/UFGtdIru6aLNPqEgm2zt5t5I= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr451306qbn; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUKbnfj083489 Cc: Cin at Gmail X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sg>I will review my Threads articles on sewing with velvet. I don't recall any recommendations to do so, but I suppose you could "shear" the velvet seam allowances like you do when working with fur. Ah yes, that's a good fur trick. Hadnt considered that. An interesting idea, but not sure how I'd do it. The idea of russet cotton tufts in my beau's electric razor...hmmm. Such things lead to certain peril. Ruth Ann>But I haven't got a trick to deal with thickness, other than gritting my teeth, muttering under my breath, and pushing the fabric that's under the presser foot down as hard as I can with my forefingers! --That, or sew it by hand. Yes, I suspect it will come to that! Sunny> Personally, I made a velvet ironing board cover, and it's worked great for every velvet I've needed to iron. How very classy! This is a great idea. i've always used bath towels but this is ever so much more elegant. (Like I worry how elegant my ironing board is!) Thanks all! BTW, Another off-list friend said that you can re-raise the pile on natural fiber velvets by misting with a white vinegar/distilled water solution (approx 2T in 1c water) and brushing up the nap with a new toothbrush. Some vile experiments are in order. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 15:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKoDNp017102 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKiPiW071404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKiNVh089320; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKiIgK089201 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08A323453E for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:44:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:44:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh yeah, and you can't use feathers from any of these bird as it will land you a fine and a term in jail. They are protected under the category of songbird. Pigeons, starlings and mourningdoves you can hunt, kill, eat, and use their feathers. De -----Original Message----- Usually, either blue jay, blue bird or hummingbird. De -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:00:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUL0HTL017384 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKx6Db073513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKx1dn002856; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKwtsY002734 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:58:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:58:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511301903.jAUJ0XeU093469@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:58:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 20:58:50.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD1CDE60:01C5F5F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Question about display... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ok, so I am on the right page with all this. Great. Thank you. Has anyone tried those cans of compressed air rather than a vacuum? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:07:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUL77qd017590 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:07:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUL6UZs074357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUL6Psc009505; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUL6HLw009404 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so87639wra for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EYcIVHvqvb305fufO03/ttpCtFCppvNX6fx3L7ZHLqzQ4jHwMUBgwHNGBRytfaRb2IFNOAmgjzsrTKeXmqiWNs9aqK5e6lVitQ6vkE+eeZSrrXESPPJJHu8lqpwJjiShOcQ1IQfBhH3ZpkE4NxW50dXGC8VbN2RDFHA8BZ/nZ2Y= Received: by 10.65.156.11 with SMTP id i11mr439853qbo; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:16 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUL6HLw009404 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kimiko >There isn't much I've been able to do with >multiple layers, other than to grade carefully and try to place as few >seams in overlapping places as I can. >May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? Good question. The shortest answer is that I think it looks sharp. I love the wide shoulder look of the late Eliz/early Stuart stuff. I'm not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more than my customary amount of space. There's extant pieces & paintings showing this style. However, as perhaps you imply, leaving out the epaulette and 1/3 of my inseam bulk certainly is an option. Call it a late-in-the-construction-phase design modification. I'll angst over it a bit more. Everything else in the construction & trim is done. Setting in the epaulettes & sleeves is the next step. Dither. Dither. I'l work on something else and let it stew. SandyP... thanks for the needleboard notes. Greenberg & Hammer has them from $50-300+ depending on the size. Yow! Tough to justify if I dont do much velvet. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULJaeW017941 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULJ2Kw075927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULItRh020690; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULIsnK020650 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so89991wra for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uZHNwbLbCNE+n4dNop+pOztRnpGOjUZkSDhi+g38l0bLF8V1ug40LpYIJODK8Iie0Z1EyGgfUAIiC5dhcTlKdc9ecmTPbMDVTFWdbaXF8DisyJuC9SK+v540pdPYQeuwCEj6H3T1sAvWgQPmb4FohUKRrm4DJTQ8+WRRPWQP9cc= Received: by 10.65.96.7 with SMTP id y7mr455104qbl; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:52 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Question about display... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAULIsnK020650 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Marc C>Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes >should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no >UV thing covered already)? >And is there anything I'm not thinking about? IMHO Clothes are meant to be seen in body shapes, not laid flat. If your garments are not fragile, unique or particular heavy I would seriously consider mounting them stress-free on a manequin. With smaller, fragile or incomplete outfits you could gently stuff the sleeves, shape collars, etc with acid-free or buffered papers so people can see the body-shaping. If your garment is so fragile & unique, like the Dolly Madison gown at the Smithsonian, or the Eleanor of Toleado burial gown then let it lie flat as those museums do. Choose acid-free or buffered papers for the garment(s) to rest upon. Buffered papers, unlike run-of-the-mill papers are alkali permeated to count the acidic effects of dyes, chems, and can slow deteriation. I collect vintage photographs and handcolored fashion plates. My speciality papers & photo sleeves come from Light Impressions an archival supply shop. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:19:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULJoqm017953 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULJLJK075984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULJL5s021141; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAULJGg8020994 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42789 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 21:19:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:19:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 21:06 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko >There isn't much I've been able to do with > >multiple layers, other than to grade carefully and try to place as few > >seams in overlapping places as I can. > >May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? > >Good question. The shortest answer is that I think it looks sharp. I >love the wide shoulder look of the late Eliz/early Stuart stuff. I'm >not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more >than my customary amount of space. >There's extant pieces & paintings showing this style. However, as >perhaps you imply, leaving out the epaulette and 1/3 of my inseam bulk >certainly is an option. Call it a late-in-the-construction-phase >design modification. I'll angst over it a bit more. Everything else >in the construction & trim is done. Setting in the epaulettes & >sleeves is the next step. Dither. Dither. I'l work on something else >and let it stew. When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULoKRB018880 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULnWjL079669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULnQsV049847; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULnJgi049714 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E954D16FA5 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQS001O4FA3EF@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:49:15 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing In-reply-to: <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <438E1E5B.8010505@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051129) References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I had the same problem with my old Sunbeam. Roger Diana Habra wrote: >>My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When >>behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. >> >> > >I love how my Rowenta presses (and the steam is great) but the "spitting" >is SOOO annoying! I went to press out my tablecloth yesterday and there >was water everywhere!! This is my second one and I can't recommend them. >I might just go get me a Sunbeam even though my iron isn't dead yet >because I am tired of the problems. > >And it seems like an iron would be such a simple device!! Who knew? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:53:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULrCPH018965 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULqgLu080202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULqccl052619; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f2.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFfJ6j008762 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:41:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:41:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511300730.jAU7RnBC077557@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:41:10 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 15:41:10.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CC94ED0:01C5F5C4] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question about display... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ok, you'll love this... A couple of weeks ago I got saddled with the Special Collections department for the University Library (I'm pretty sure I was assigned this for my skills at cutting through academic pretention and getting things back on track more than anything else - and the fact that the faculty as a whole seem to not hate me). The reason I'm mentioning this is that IN this collection there is a small collection of vintage clothing, among other more obscure realia. And I have a wide range of empty display cases. I hate empty display cases. So, I have empty display cases, and I have things to display. Seems like an easy choice here. So, I mentioned this to my assistant (who's been in this department for 20 years or so, and she got a little unhappy (ok, the reality is she totally freaked out and spazzed all over the floor, but I've gotten her calmed down now, and she's just sadly resigned to me having my way with her stuff). Her major stated complaints were a) the stuff's all dirty and needs to be cleaned and steamed before it could be displayed (because it will mess up her nice, clean display cases), and there's nothing to display the clothes *on* since these are generally flat cases. Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:55:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULtJgv019041 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULrJpd080331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULrD1U053184; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHGtTS097501 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE81025C; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:16:49 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 12:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c5f5d2$058ea960$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <113020051450.19651.438DBC35000020D400004CC322007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:18:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Great idea! Best of both worlds. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns > What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. > > When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), so it doesn't keep slipping out. > > I hope this helps! > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very > > lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie > > off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good > > solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an > > extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? > > > > Good luck, > > > > Theresa Eacker > > > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > > > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > > > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > > > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in > > Maryland, so > > > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > > > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > > > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > > > > > Ann Wass > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:56:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULue3n019088 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULu9t8080934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULu61l056176; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUK9QG0055295 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247bb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.187]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 050C35EE098 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:09:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c5f5e9$ff737930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:09:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Deredere, I would buy a DMC cotton floss if i were you. Its stranded into 6 threads. You can try to use one strand, two strands and 3 strands, and deside wich you like! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > Hi, > I am planning on making a regency gown. > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > > But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. > The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > It looks not very tightly spun. > Has anyone any idea what I could use? > > I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. > There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my > taste. > Like the subtle smaller patterns better. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULxQki019182 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULrhiK080454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULrcpl053616; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHLn5Y002192 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AFA7037C; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:21:43 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 12:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c5f5d2$b4717980$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup><4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:22:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Aint that the truth! I had your experience, too. Amazed at all the hidden steel, I stopped thinking that I had all these needles lurking in the rug. This, after I returned from an 8 day stay in the hospital when one of the hidden buggers entered my foot unbeknownst. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion > > out of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. > > > > But the fabric wasn't the problem! These had gotten driven so deep into > the cushion that you'd never know they were there! =-O > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 17:32:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUMWk6f020217 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:32:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUMVPQf085562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMVO4I085706; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMVK4m085597 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:31:15 -0800 Message-ID: <438E28CA.9080305@msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:33:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 22:31:15.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6987B60:01C5F5FD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all talking about? Sounds very interesting. Thanks, Sg > > When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I make > up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the sleeve > head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the stitching. Saves > an awful lot of layers! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 17:34:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUMYD7r020263 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:34:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUMUIDH085430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMUBFX084667; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMTxoQ084372 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:30:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:29:52 -0800 Message-ID: <438E2877.80609@msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:32:23 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 22:29:52.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[953BEA70:01C5F5FD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is an interesting observation. One of the things we "discovered" in the process of making the "Suitable gown for her majesty" (same period), we wondered if one of the reasons 'Liz I preferred the big gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." Sg Cin wrote: >I'm not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more >than my customary amount of space. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUN1MZH021146 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:01:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUN0aOl089180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUN0WsS009608; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUN0SCf009551 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06717 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:00:27 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:00:24 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX18J5TaM27s06ST3C/8C6ACKfpYwADmVdQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUN0SCf009551 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm going to use, if I do it, the usual feathers found in my local craft hobby stores. Actually, the Europeans were really fascinated by the so-assumed by them lesser civilized natives of other lands, so I thought using feathers but making an Elizabethan/Jacobean surcoat was a clever, if inaccurate idea. Camilla Townsend's recent biog of Pocahontas does a great job of prising out the real meanings behind the engraving of Pocahontas. She points out that the costume she is wearing, is much more upper-middle class, reflecting almost Puritan morales(the body modestly covered and the high capitain hat, which Queen Anne wore, but few other noblewomen did so in portraits at that time), despite Pocahontas'/Matoaka/Lady Rebecca's high birth which entitled her to wear the full coat costume of low neck and French farthingale. Some authors have surmised that the all covering wear might have hidden tatoos, but it is just as probable that Pocahontas, John Rolfe, the Virginia Company sponsors or any combination of the three, would have preferred a visual representation of the Christian convert Native American "princess" as advertisement for prospective sponsors and settlers not to be deliniated in full court costume(not only Puritans railed against the extravagent required court costumes of the 16th and 17th centuries), thought by many as practically immoral, but in modest, if expensive fabrics. Virginia needed hardworking serious-minded investors and settlers, in order to succeed, not those who wanted to find gold, get rich quickly, and return to Mother England. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Oh yeah, and you can't use feathers from any of these bird as it will land you a fine and a term in jail. They are protected under the category of songbird. Pigeons, starlings and mourningdoves you can hunt, kill, eat, and use their feathers. De -----Original Message----- Usually, either blue jay, blue bird or hummingbird. De -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:14:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNEICn021516 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:14:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNDr7A093028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNDn9e021780; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNDhju021506 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051130231338.TPF25677.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:13:38 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.189.89]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051130231337.KRFI1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:13:37 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.10/189]); Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:13:41 +1300 Message-ID: <004001c5f603$b40bbc90$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:13:41 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > >May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? > Good question. The shortest answer is that I think it looks sharp. I > love the wide shoulder look of the late Eliz/early Stuart stuff. I'm > not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more > than my customary amount of space. You could though have tie on sleeves. It makes the whole thing easier to sew and wear and more adaptable;) My Valois gown: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Has the doublet sewn up and the seam allowance turned under and stitched down. The tabs at the shoulders are made up seperately and sewn edege to edge to the shoulder. Then the sleeves are finished and ladder stitched into place for events. It means I can actually transport those sleeves by turning them inside out and folding (pile to pile) and I have a really mix and match ensemble;) I've worn the doublet alone with chemise sleeves showing or the full thing. As for velvet.. I only have towels with a twisted and looped pile, so I cannot use them for ironing. They leave very obvious marks. The only method I'v found that actually works is to use the same fabric face up. This is also a really good way to transfer a beading pattern from one side to the other;) You can also revive the pile, especially for stitch marks, by shots of steam from your iron. You have to hold the iron above the pile of course;) regards michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 30/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNKMO8021702 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNJkxx095000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNJZ4H027737; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAUNJStB027580 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3435 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 23:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 23:19:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:19:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 22:33 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all >talking about? Sounds very interesting. >Thanks, >Sg > >> >>When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I >>make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the >>sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the >>stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! Never seen pictures of it - the first time I did it, it just made sense, and I just always do it. Maybe I read it in Arnold - I've been doing it so long I forget now. I frequently put the sleeves to the body by binding both the armhole and the sleeve head, then whip stitching them together. The epaulette covers that! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNTcx9021970 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNTHqJ098269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNTD9Z037409; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNT81L037307 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 153852E38C for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:29:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:29:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com it is also possible that she was dressing to Rolfe's income and station and the fact that an American "princess" was not considered equal to a European princess. Seeing as how they weren't quite civilized. It should be noted that if a person was a "chief" or sachem it did not necessarily mean that the children were princes and princess'. This was a way that the Europeans seemed to identified the children of chiefs. Their assumtion of how they thought things ranked. And usually the Europeans did not understand how the system worked within a given tribe or nation. Among the Akwesasne, you became a sachem by election. There was one nation that had royalty/nobility, I think it was the Narragansett but I'm not really sure. De -----Original Message----- I'm going to use, if I do it, the usual feathers found in my local craft hobby stores. Actually, the Europeans were really fascinated by the so-assumed by them lesser civilized natives of other lands, so I thought using feathers but making an Elizabethan/Jacobean surcoat was a clever, if inaccurate idea. Camilla Townsend's recent biog of Pocahontas does a great job of prising out the real meanings behind the engraving of Pocahontas. She points out that the costume she is wearing, is much more upper-middle class, reflecting almost Puritan morales(the body modestly covered and the high capitain hat, which Queen Anne wore, but few other noblewomen did so in portraits at that time), despite Pocahontas'/Matoaka/Lady Rebecca's high birth which entitled her to wear the full coat costume of low neck and French farthingale. Some authors have surmised that the all covering wear might have hidden tatoos, but it is just as probable that Pocahontas, John Rolfe, the Virginia Company sponsors or any combination of the three, would have preferred a visual representation of the Christian convert Native American "princess" as advertisement for prospective sponsors and settlers not to be deliniated in full court costume(not only Puritans railed against the extravagent required court costumes of the 16th and 17th centuries), thought by many as practically immoral, but in modest, if expensive fabrics. Virginia needed hardworking serious-minded investors and settlers, in order to succeed, not those who wanted to find gold, get rich quickly, and return to Mother England. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:36:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNaLsi022121 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNUoZn098829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNUlY7038667; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNUejr038574 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 86387 invoked by uid 16115); 30 Nov 2005 23:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.129.59]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Nov 2005 23:30:40 -0000 Message-ID: <438E34D7.5070909@misc.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:25:11 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns References: <113020051450.19651.438DBC35000020D400004CC322007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com KOOOOL tips!! Those just made it into my "sewing room tricks" archive. Thanks so much for sharing, Theresa Eacker elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. > > When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), so it doesn't keep slipping out. > > I hope this helps! > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >>How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing... (Snipped) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:46:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNjxkA022407 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:45:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNjcDn004022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNjXL0049853; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNjUhq049829 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r21so207536wxc for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KN6a4IctlgW2UpBhXg+OYBHeIafg8BqBrJlOiFRBgc0oLPbW7upvHFmJJggBfcs+Td4R1darSzl34WjwjwaVQJ2XbAurUVY51HJ3IPlFCvMXw4OV9GdB4BHdP9r9Y+KWOYAaAu6AB/g6b7lV9OM/pCl4gA9gbEpCG8ZbG3OWvKM= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr550316qbn; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:30 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUNjUhq049829 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] epaulettes (was: working with velvet) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I make >> up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the sleeve >> head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the stitching. Saves >> an awful lot of layers! Suzi! This is probably the best solution. Why didnt I think of it? I'd even get perfect placement of the epaulettes with full control. You're a genius. Thanks! >Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all >talking about? Sounds very interesting. >Thanks, >Sg I was asking about Stuart doublets. Here's a few pics in books: Look in Norah Waugh, Cut of Women's Clothes, plate 3b c 1610. See the little wing at the top of shoulder? Janet Arnold PoF: The Verney gown c 1600. Blanche Payne: Fig 348 Purple & Gold costume of Adolphus the Great 1620 is a man's version of the same style. You'll also find dozens in late Elizabethan portraits on men & women. Here's a Spanish one: Blanche Payne: fig 336 Infanta Isabella Clara Eugenia 1590 --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNqvJa022597 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNqY83006758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNqXMb055594; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNqT01055557 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUNqS8f010422 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:52:29 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511301716.jAUHGBwt096944@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My newspaper today gave a little blurb about all the upcoming films, and said that the new Pocahontas movie was about "the doomed love between John Smith and Pocahontas." Sigh. And of course the BIG film coming up is "Memoirs of a Geisha," which screwed up the portrayal of the way geisha behaved so much that the leading geisha of the century had to insist on many occasions that the character is NOT based on her. Plus, she's played by a Chinese actress. I guess the film people decided that as far as Western audiences are concerned, a Chinese woman is no different from a Japanese woman! At least the costumes look good in that one. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:00:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10008Z022781 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNxXGt009067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNxWR9060688; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNxU58060598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Ehbqx-0002YB-6G; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0600 Message-ID: <20051130175911.ejr20stzl540gcsc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0600 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quoting Suzi Clarke : > At 22:33 30/11/2005, you wrote: >> Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all >> talking about? Sounds very interesting. >> Thanks, >> Sg >> >>> >>> When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I >>> make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the >>> sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the >>> stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! > > > > Never seen pictures of it - the first time I did it, it just made > sense, and I just always do it. Maybe I read it in Arnold - I've > been doing it so long I forget now. I frequently put the sleeves to > the body by binding both the armhole and the sleeve head, then whip > stitching them together. The epaulette covers that! > Any chance that we could "understand" what it is that you do by looking at some close-up photos of a finished gown? Susan -- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:00:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB100nt7022809 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNx8oS008937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNx7kK060400; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAUNx4kI060320 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29881 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 23:58:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FBEnvrpLhLQVrsdaZGW2ke88zzFmKl/G9IC173gbMkuVO7ap/Fd1UB9gHaY3qp4KhtfYKWF4ivDPOcQbF9o5Q6D3EEx73it4a/SwiKrq8zmkfBOGrvuEV+dNCRQc2nfgOtlJyyLg6zlX3JvDPbK66ch35DzppGCs+EjEm4GGvWw= ; Message-ID: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.192.34.230] by web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:58:59 PST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:58:59 -0800 (PST) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511300052.jAU0o3Qc088892@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Cin, > I'm reading a friends circa 14th c manuscript by Robert Grosseteste > wherein he gives a rule for clothes (livery) worn by servants. I'm Which text is it, out of curiosity? This sounds like something *I*'d like to read/have my husband translate :-) Speaking of, below is his translation of the paragraph; he has the phrase "soulletz herigaudz" as "soiled surcotes". > puzzled by one word. Here's the original in transcription: > > Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils > hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes chescun ionr e nomement > a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre honour garder ne > pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes curtepies. "Command that your knights and see that your gentle men wear your dress, that these same dresses be worn by all during your meal and in your presence and to maintain your honour they must not be old tabbards or *soiled surcotes* a fake magpie(1) [would wear]" (1) uncertain Cheers, Stephanie __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:13:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10DRBQ023133 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:13:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10Cvnq014020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10Csvm070831; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10CpOp070787 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32545 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:39:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition In-Reply-To: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Stephanie Smith wrote: > > Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils > > hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes > chescun ionr e nomement > > a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre > honour garder ne > > pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes > curtepies. > > "Command that your knights and see that your gentle > men wear your dress, that these same dresses be worn > by all during your meal and in your presence and to > maintain your honour they must not be old tabbards or > *soiled surcotes* a fake magpie(1) [would wear]" > > (1) uncertain "curtepies" might be the French plural of "courtepy," a type of surcote (Chaucer used the word in English, and there's a lot of overlap in English and French at this time). I don't know what a counterfeit courtepy would be. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:16:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10Gjnn023193 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:16:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10GRVQ015252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10GQ9k073495; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10GMiJ073437 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so182988wra for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=psj0BTjbQpqRx/R01DXVP9bWGisAdSOzVK/N6y/dAEmERBj/9iInlcRBFefaHOGbiaELRT3qztCg+HZo0Glo049Lb1raJUTebvdSC7LAbaKNIMhYBLtRt4CD/jcfbc+wQzWzhF+AcII1YpwtL7lPneLweqAefyC7RqAZAVCqpT8= Received: by 10.65.150.6 with SMTP id c6mr554695qbo; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB10GMiJ073437 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >This is an interesting observation. One of the things we "discovered" >in the process of making the "Suitable gown for her majesty" (same >period), we wondered if one of the reasons 'Liz I preferred the big >gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." Sg, Other people react to that sort of outfit, too, not just the wearer. Oh, I expect it's partly size, but it's also to do with obvious complexity, near perfect tailoring, walking with dignity and killer materials. Take away any element and the effect disappears. Back in Aug, I wore a c 1590 drum farthingale in "tawney sarceonet" with as many jewels, shinies, accessories & as much big hair as I could muster. At this particular Renn ball, 3 people dropped me curtesies while they were in the middle of a figured dance. Two of them claimed it was quite literally a knee-jerk reaction. One guy said he'd made a leg, before his head even processed whether he should or not. I got to use my current favorite Maggie Thatcher line: "Oh, I'm not the Queen, I'm only in politics." (I'm Campaign Treasurer for a county judicial candidate.) --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10JbHB023309 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10JKD1016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10JGGv075486; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB10J7h5075361 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82357 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201000734.01d8ce60@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:18:58 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes In-Reply-To: <20051130175911.ejr20stzl540gcsc@www.goldsword.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> <20051130175911.ejr20stzl540gcsc@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 23:59 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Quoting Suzi Clarke : > >>At 22:33 30/11/2005, you wrote: >>>Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are >>>all talking about? Sounds very interesting. >>>Thanks, >>>Sg >>> >>>> >>>>When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I >>>>make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the >>>>sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the >>>>stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! >> >> >> >>Never seen pictures of it - the first time I did it, it just made >>sense, and I just always do it. Maybe I read it in Arnold - I've >>been doing it so long I forget now. I frequently put the sleeves to >>the body by binding both the armhole and the sleeve head, then whip >>stitching them together. The epaulette covers that! > >Any chance that we could "understand" what it is that you do by looking >at some close-up photos of a finished gown? Very possibly, but I don't have finished gowns, as I am a costume maker and sell what I make! I don't bother to take closeup photos, as I don't need them. If I am teaching, it's show and tell, so no teaching examples, and I don't draw! I am not being very helpful here, am I? It is an instruction from Hunnisett, the 1500-1800 book, but there are no pictures of it or the sleeve application. If you make up the epaulette, however you like, bagging out, turning the edges together and stitching, so you have a thing that is completely finished. You have the sleeve sewn into the sleeve head. Then you put the curved edge of the epaulette just to the shoulder side of the sleeve seam, and either stab stitch it from the right side, or fold it back over the shoulder and stitch it from the underside. When you fold it back into place, you then do not see the stitching. (or you cover it with braid, like "they" did!) Is that any clearer? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:38:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10chtJ023786 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:38:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10cDCH022695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10c91W088529; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10c5JC088463 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB10bv1f010094 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:37:58 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10bpIB119540 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:37:52 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051130162457.0268e2b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:25:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >>My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion out >>of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. > >But the fabric wasn't the problem! These had gotten driven so deep into >the cushion that you'd never know they were there! =-O Her problem was that pinheads hid in the Mylar silver threads in the weave, and needles similarly hid before they got lost inside. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB112wn7024440 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB112SwQ030609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB112PKV004194; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB112LV3004053 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e6.49038ff2 (4238) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.49038ff2.30bfa591@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:02:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/30/2005 6:31:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theresa@misc.com writes: KOOOOL tips!! Yes, thanks all for the suggestions. Unfortunately, none of them work for this particular project. I've found that, with size 3 garments, I can't set the sleeve "in the round." Therefore, I sew the sleeve to the bodice flat, then insert the elastic, then sew the side seams. So leaving the elastic unfinished, or using ribbon, doesn't work this time. But I might plan a way to use the ribbon next time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11K2l7024872 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11Jchd036073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11JbU3014563; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB11JYmI014481 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 65302 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 01:19:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zcyLdyBDPNPwBuiTCAVEhyZnIscE+jA8bXb/9rLg61L+5KCjrKDujwwVLmIjHc7fx6fGXUb2jrvT1hcG3lO+vxFot+RbfDorldjLD+jJje6Ie+KoW2invf6+3UE9Sa5C11zqVDpyR+NfC/yjmCjb0b3VhiL1apS+G0+AVuncdx0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.29?) (nicolaa55@70.27.127.29 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 01:19:28 -0000 Message-ID: <438E4FA5.2000001@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:19:33 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition References: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greetings-- Stephanie Smith wrote: >>I'm reading a friends circa 14th c manuscript by > > Robert Grosseteste Actually, Grosseteste (aka Bobby Fathead--and not "Bobby Big Balls", as my husband kept joking) died in 1253. Grosseteste is quite a significant scholarly figure of the 13th century, writing numerous theological and scientific works, as well as things like books of manners in Norman French :-) As Bishop of Lincoln, he headed a pretty big household, including numerous sons of nobility sent to learn them some manners. Susan friend of Bobby Fathead (hey, he's my SCA persona's bishop, although he's due to die in a couple of years :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11K2Jd024868 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11JUEM036029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11JNE5014430; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11JI5g014326 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FFC1F681A for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:19:00 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511302313.jAUNDqHK021856@net.indra.com> References: <200511302313.jAUNDqHK021856@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:18:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet pressing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi The Howard Brush company sells straight tooth carding cloth... http://www.howardbrush.com/distribute.html Either on the card or as a separate piece by the foot... Go forth and shop Ta Carol--now looking into replacing the missing velvet cloth... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11Knaw024893 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11KR9F036347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11KRN1015047; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11KMPU014971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-59-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.59]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jB11KI4P020481 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:20:21 +1100 Message-ID: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:20:17 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi everyone, I'm making a pair of engagentes for a c. 1860 gown and I'm looking for some clues on what sort of lace I should use for the cuffs, does anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on what period lace looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. I'd prefer an online resource, but if it's got to be a book I'll check the libraries round about, my local public library has a surprisingly good selection of costuming books and if that fails hopefully an Australian author has written on the subject as then I'm guaranteed that the national library will have a copy (Australian publishers are legally required to give at least one copy of every book they publish to the national library) Thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:22:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11MSuD024940 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:22:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11MEwV036922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11MDR5016096; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11M9JO016044 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.30]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ehd9E-0006qg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: <8777147.1133400128951.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:22:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Can't you turn the seam allowance under for the elastic casing, and then leave that bit of the seam open when you sew the side seam? It could be hand-finished once the elastic was properly sized and stitched, no? I'm trying to think three-dimensionally here, and I THINK I have done this once or twice....when I was in some kind of pinch or another....Because I use my costumes over and over, I use elastic whenever I can, particularly on breeches and waistbands, and I like to just tie the elastic so that it can be re-sized for the next character the next year....and what I THINK I'm describing is one way to keep access to the ends of the elastic. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Nov 30, 2005 8:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns In a message dated 11/30/2005 6:31:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theresa@misc.com writes: KOOOOL tips!! Yes, thanks all for the suggestions. Unfortunately, none of them work for this particular project. I've found that, with size 3 garments, I can't set the sleeve "in the round." Therefore, I sew the sleeve to the bodice flat, then insert the elastic, then sew the side seams. So leaving the elastic unfinished, or using ribbon, doesn't work this time. But I might plan a way to use the ribbon next time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 21:18:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB12I14f026372 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:18:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB12HdIQ049985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12HYgA046645; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12HSpS046607 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A6E7534BDA for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:17:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:17:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh you got to be kidding. Can we say pedophilia. Pocahontas was 12/13 when she saved Smith's life. Even he in his grandiose memoirs doesn't even imply that they were in love. Well it took Hollywood a while to finally cast someone that was not Caucasian in the role of the King in Anne and the King. De -----Original Message----- My newspaper today gave a little blurb about all the upcoming films, and said that the new Pocahontas movie was about "the doomed love between John Smith and Pocahontas." Sigh. And of course the BIG film coming up is "Memoirs of a Geisha," which screwed up the portrayal of the way geisha behaved so much that the leading geisha of the century had to insist on many occasions that the character is NOT based on her. Plus, she's played by a Chinese actress. I guess the film people decided that as far as Western audiences are concerned, a Chinese woman is no different from a Japanese woman! At least the costumes look good in that one. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 21:51:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB12pexX027485 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB12otE3053109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:50:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12ore6064277; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12onZw064166 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQS00A91T8IH2BF@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:42 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Just be careful that you don't cause stress to the fabric. Vintage fabrics can rip easily if they have not been cared for properly. If you put too much stress on it, it could tear. For example, be careful that you don't hang something from, say pins in the shoulders of a garment, without supporting it. There are people here who would know more than I do... Cans of air vs vaccuum... Be careful that the vaccuum is not to strong. It can damage fibers as well. Regards-- Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:32 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc ============================== My only experience with this is a small local museum but they regularly vacuum their costume pieces, which are stored flat in acid-free tissue and boxes. For display, they are mounted on padded maneguins or forms, occasionally laid across a bed or something like that. A lot of the choice on how to display depended on the condition of the garment. They try to rotate their displays several times a year but that depends on staff/volunteer availability. Good luck :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 22:14:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB13E5rF028640 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB13DXUx055566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB13DWuK076574; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB13ATMj075010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:10:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-236.sonic.net [209.148.113.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB13ATkD017924 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:10:29 -0800 Message-ID: <438E69AA.9050006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:10:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com US publishers are also required to give free copies of every book to the Library of Congress, at least if they get any cataloging data off the LOC. But the LOC, being short of storage space, simply discards a great many books, I don't know by what means. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > and if that fails hopefully an Australian author has written on the > subject as then I'm guaranteed that the national library will have a > copy (Australian publishers are legally required to give at least one > copy of every book they publish to the national library) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 00:37:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB15bsv8032524 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB15bFhD069875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15bA4r058103; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:37:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15b9Tp058091 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t12so70060wxc for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Eg+2Wfw8HfCvj8ogdVcL2S9PwD6buROu7jNJvKjg/r3HRRnv9qyElDZfEX+VXv3dHZbrJwCMCr1yIFBltBtvf0qXctdF3DCFxEzQhOELbG4UoobkR+DkAkbx3CwCgToDoOz4dfgYuuSEhRpyjX+mgoqeU4AEiN8tkVa3xQtJ/LQ= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr656685qbn; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e14sm290465qbe.2005.11.30.21.37.08; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:37:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009d01c5f639$46735720$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > At least the costumes look good in that one. Talking about the movie Geisha, of course... as I said to my bf tonight: "Well, if the only good things in the movie are costumes and sets, it'll still be worth watching!" I'm expecting eye-candy, but I'm not expecting accuracy - I don't think it would be realistic. They're having enough trouble as it is trying to reproduce our own ancestors, imagine trying to reproduce a culture so different from ours! -- and expecting to make money out of it. If I want to see nice Japanese movies... I'll just rent the Japanese ones... But I *still* like eye-candy, no matter how inaccurate :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 00:44:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB15i7Cv032647 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:44:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB15hZQu070533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15hYRp061330; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB15hVum061303 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so94941wxc for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=L3A67PbfPduDjff4/B+g7kiioILvZaVKW1tBW3QxSAu0VIYv9GTs2Htupv7bOwbYbKFnBJxx93+Mpo10wem6YjXvG6hWxsygurVttPZnvIJN6LHpljcz67ln9+4gcNXLmO/cZOBN3F+nf/GijoBSH5kwW7nP1M7t7Ms/02Sx/OY= Received: by 10.64.232.11 with SMTP id e11mr643296qbh; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z21sm188231qbc.2005.11.30.21.43.31; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a801c5f63a$2a620490$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> 'Liz I preferred the big >>gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." > Other people react to that sort of outfit, too, not just the wearer. > Oh, I expect it's partly size, but it's also to do with obvious > complexity, near perfect tailoring, walking with dignity and killer > materials. Anybody on this list plays SCA in the East Kingdom? You know the... hmm... she's probably duchess now... Isabella? Those who've met her will know what I mean. Very tall, and imposing in "normal" clothing. Even when she's not playing SCA, she's probably the center of attention pretty often. First time I saw her, she was in full Elizabethan. All white, with a standing ruff and tons of pearls. Wow was she imposing. I took to moving away every time she came near, she was that intimidating. And... well... the clothing helps :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 02:30:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB17U5ZQ007694 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:30:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB17TS7L077149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB17TPcB007796; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB17TN9V007753 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120107291701300phe9me>; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:29:17 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:16 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:29:16 +0000 Message-Id: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] !5th Century coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" and the picture is on page 92; a pikeman is standing at the top of the page with a rust colored coat on. This is the first time I'm recreating a costume from a picture in a book. What I need to know is would the seam of the arm placed towards the back like many of the other clothes at that time? I'm going to have to make my own pattern for this coat - it's actually for my fiance' for Christmas. I have his measurements and a pattern made up for a similar piece that is form fitting. But wanted to be sure of the arm seam. Plus, I'm having problems determing how wide I need to make the whole sleeve - the sleeve in the picture is pretty loose. The pattern I have already; the sleeve is snug fitting with buttons from the wrist to the elbow. I hope that all made sense - insomnia is trying to get the best of me. :-) Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 05:41:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Af0mQ019867 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:41:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1AdY5o002383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1AdSLh097287; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1AdLHq097207 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:36:35 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:39:26 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <002701c5f663$80607f10$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2DMXjaLiQYC7vSNyrsVndIzenFQAVjHxg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 10:36:35.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A467EF0:01C5F663] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have absolutely no backing for this other than lots of dealing with typos, (which might in some ways parallel the early English spelling variations) but "counterfeit courtepy" might be counterfeit courtesy- i.e. fake clothing to look like one belongs? Re-use of cast-off livery to boost apparent status? Just my .000002 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Stephanie Smith wrote: > > Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils > > hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes > chescun ionr e nomement > > a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre > honour garder ne > > pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes > curtepies. > > "Command that your knights and see that your gentle > men wear your dress, that these same dresses be worn > by all during your meal and in your presence and to > maintain your honour they must not be old tabbards or > *soiled surcotes* a fake magpie(1) [would wear]" > > (1) uncertain "curtepies" might be the French plural of "courtepy," a type of surcote (Chaucer used the word in English, and there's a lot of overlap in English and French at this time). I don't know what a counterfeit courtepy would be. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 07:13:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1CDvOA006065 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1CDYJk019884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CDWm5049967; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CBDvA047707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0455100F3 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21875-02-37 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4765100F6 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:10:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <030c01c5f670$485afde0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a801c5f63a$2a620490$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet > > Very tall, and imposing in "normal" clothing. Even when she's not playing > SCA, she's probably the center of attention pretty often. > > First time I saw her, she was in full Elizabethan. All white, with a > standing ruff and tons of pearls. Wow was she imposing. I took to moving > away every time she came near, she was that intimidating. And... well... > the clothing helps :-) She is indeed lovely and imposing, although every time I have seen her she has been in Persian. I am in the process of making myself what I call my "Gown of Doom". Royal purple velvet Elizabethan, with pearls and cabochons all over it. I can't wait to finish it! (Lousy time to be moving, I want to SEW!!) Duabbe > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 07:32:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1CWjYc006459 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:32:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1CR5gN022621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CR15A057978; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1COA1s056486 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639FF3FE52 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb33.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4383ccfe.6fedf for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DjutqQkXLgAIAAAAB,5e2439896d20f972fc8623dc66abbcff Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20051201042410.BADEE6F3@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Could you do the set-in sleeve *without* the epaulette, then make the epaulette separately and completely finish it, and then whip stitch it into place? That would certainly cut down on the layers within one seam. Joannah. snip --- Kimiko Small wrote: At 08:46 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's >been ages since I worked with the stuff. > >I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple >layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in >sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just >grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack >the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a >nasty squished mess. > >Got any hints? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes snip May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 08:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1DrScn008679 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1Dqg7A030760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Dqbug000442; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:52:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1CC1nm048631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 28038 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 04:11:59 -0800 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust76.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO pericles) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 04:11:59 -0800 Message-ID: <002701c5f670$70f67fe0$6401a8c0@pericles> From: To: References: <200511301716.jAUHGBwt096944@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:12:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re:ironing/pressing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello, I've had good results ironing wool using a square of damp lightweight cotton over the top. I keep pieces of old sheets for the purpose. Also stops the fabric going shiny. I love ironing, especially linen! regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 08:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Dtc94008737 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1DtMEU030954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1DtMHD002072; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1DtHXW001958 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21c.452e9a3 (3699) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <21c.452e9a3.30c05abe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:55:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 11/30/2005 8:23:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: Can't you turn the seam allowance under for the elastic casing, and then leave that bit of the seam open when you sew the side seam? Lord, I hate people who just give negative reasons why such and such won't work, but, in this case, one of the garments has the little ruffle formed below the casing. The other has the casing at the edge but, in both cases, I plan to stitch the side seam and then serge it to finish it off. Also, the mother in Florida is sewing challenged and, if I leave it unfinished, I'm not sure it would get done. And the granddaughters have shown a desire in the past to put it on NOW, as soon as they see it. So I'll guesstimate from ready-made garments this time--I did find one garment with a puffed short sleeve that I could measure. By the way, one of the reasons I make clothes is that trying to shop for Christmas for Floridians here in Maryland is difficult. It's not THAT cold here in the winter, but everything seems to be long-sleeved, turtle-necked, or otherwise cold weather gear. Sometimes I do shop ahead in the summer (and hope they don't grow too much by December), or find things on the clearance racks. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:26:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1EQ0To009771 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EPTwl033185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EPQAB018819; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EPN9Q018742 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: <438F0866.4040409@msn.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:27:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <004001c5f603$b40bbc90$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <004001c5f603$b40bbc90$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 14:25:18.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DA54210:01C5F683] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet-beading pattern transfer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What a fab idea! Sg > > > michaela wrote: This is also a really good way to transfer a beading pattern from one side to theother. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:42:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Egiv5010552 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EgCFe034742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EgAVf028945; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Eg628028852 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:42:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A28BFA2D for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:42:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:42:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <000601c5f5e9$ff737930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000601c5f5e9$ff737930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051201144200.B0A28BFA2D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I tried a bit of embroidery in knitting kotton no. 12 And I think I like it. Made a little sample http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/embroiderytest2.jpg Enlarged http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/embroiderytest3.jpg I find the DMC a bit to shiny But I will try it too. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Deredere, > I would buy a DMC cotton floss if i were you. Its stranded into 6 > threads. You can try to use one strand, two strands and 3 strands, and > deside wich you like! > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:40 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > > >> Hi, >> I am planning on making a regency gown. >> http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm >> And I have found the perfect cotton voile. >> >> But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. >> The discription says heavy white cotton thread. >> It looks not very tightly spun. >> Has anyone any idea what I could use? >> >> I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. >> There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my >> taste. >> Like the subtle smaller patterns better. >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:48:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1EmgsW010799 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EmMlW035296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EmLNw032908; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EmJaH032827 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:48:13 -0800 Message-ID: <438F0DC6.2020400@msn.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:50:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] !5th Century coat References: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 14:48:13.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[41A685D0:01C5F686] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Any chance you could scan and post the picture (if you can scan it and send it to me, I can post it). I love construction challenges. Sg roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" and the picture is on page 92; a pikeman is standing at the top of the page with a rust colored coat on. This is the first time I'm recreating a costume from a picture in a book. > What I need to know is would the seam of the arm placed towards the back like many of the other clothes at that time? I'm going to have to make my own pattern for this coat - it's actually for my fiance' for Christmas. I have his measurements and a pattern made up for a similar piece that is form fitting. But wanted to be sure of the arm seam. Plus, I'm having problems determing how wide I need to make the whole sleeve - the sleeve in the picture is pretty loose. The pattern I have already; the sleeve is snug fitting with buttons from the wrist to the elbow. > I hope that all made sense - insomnia is trying to get the best of me. :-) > >Roscelin >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 09:59:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Ex8OP011591 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1EvvcA036230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1EvsJW038843; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1Evoen038701 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57183 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 14:56:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oh3XimOLcOj1aWdjdsq5/6YSOtMKLPh6q9V70yvaGdyG5Q0vYHV4oSVel8iIuHMhI80/7F0sZLwGSlqQTKvHCQAUMdYF5b9LNKjMGdLuQXbjnr7RBJrnMzGtxGnXShHkUkSnrQNkW2u/G+N1y0gImEDY5jpDA1ovOgY7WmnxOOk= ; Message-ID: <20051201145623.57180.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:56:23 PST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00a801c5f63a$2a620490$0302a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yep, I know who you mean and you're so right...Imposing is the correct word to describe Izzy :) Even my 6 yr. old, who is NOT intimidated by ANYONE, took a step back the first time she saw her in full regalia :) Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> 'Liz I preferred the big >>gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." > Other people react to that sort of outfit, too, not just the wearer. > Oh, I expect it's partly size, but it's also to do with obvious > complexity, near perfect tailoring, walking with dignity and killer > materials. Anybody on this list plays SCA in the East Kingdom? You know the... hmm... she's probably duchess now... Isabella? Those who've met her will know what I mean. Very tall, and imposing in "normal" clothing. Even when she's not playing SCA, she's probably the center of attention pretty often. First time I saw her, she was in full Elizabethan. All white, with a standing ruff and tons of pearls. Wow was she imposing. I took to moving away every time she came near, she was that intimidating. And... well... the clothing helps :-) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 10:18:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1FIdc5012290 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1FIGhS038852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FIC77053356; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FI3i5053220 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005120115175801500lidlle>; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:17:58 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:17:55 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Iron recommendation Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:17:55 +0000 Message-Id: <120120051517.9102.438F1423000A873A0000238E22092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've finally remembered to look at the brand of iron I got from Costco. It's Sunbeam. The linen and cotton settings are *awesome*. The iron has the auto off safety feature, but the warm up time to the high settings is super fast. And I really like the fact that I can choose to not have steam at the higher settings, for iron on stuff. So, now I have two great irons. One's for my costuming and the other is for my quilting. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* > ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) > and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. > > When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) > 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), > so it doesn't keep slipping out. > > I hope this helps! > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very > > lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie > > off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good > > solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an > > extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? > > > > Good luck, > > > > Theresa Eacker > > > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > > > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > > > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > > > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in > > Maryland, so > > > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > > > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > > > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > > > > > Ann Wass > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 10:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1FXE0u012684 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:33:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1FWk6l040376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWiSN064107; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWe2i064044 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21549 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:39 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:22 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX2BmzYDkkevPjyQuipH7Nilwm8SwAhSiWg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1FWe2i064044 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Camilla Townsend points this out in her biography of Pocahontas. The English viewed her as a princess, abeit a "savage" one. John Rolfe met a lot of criticism on the trip to England for marrying above his station in life, especially from no less than James I, that epitome of Divine Right and birthright. Townsend argues that the difference in status between Pocahontas/Matoaka as actually a daughter of lesser importance to Powhatan, and the English viewing her as royal, may have been one of the factors leading her to wed John Rolfe. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 10:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1FcQ7T012806 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:38:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1FWkuW040377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWivj064106; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1FWeX8064045 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21555 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:40 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:40 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX2ChzJPNukNqfpTZayH8OluqoZhQAf36Ag From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1FWeX8064045 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine in Omaha did the same-the little blurbs. Of course neither will be here well before Christmas. If you want a good preview of MOAG, try getting a look at Memoirs of a Geisha: Images from the Film. I got a used copy for $20 + ship and it is lovely eye candy. Using Chinese actresses for the female leads is the usual Hollywood thing--using "name" actors to get financing and pull in more viewers. Ziyi Zhang, Gong Li, and Michelle Yeoh are at least known names to financers and American audiences that are fans of movies like Croaching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero, and Raise the Red Lantern. The actresses that play young Chiyo and Pumpkin are Japanese. If you want strict accuracy on costume, makeup, and hairstyles, as always with movies set in previous times, check out the extras. And of course, in "The New World" Pocahontas can't go about accurately dressed and has to be at least teen-aged. It does look like the Powhatans will be treated with some accuracy and respect, while John Smith and Company will be seen as invaders. Nice change. For an excellent biography of Pocahontas and her people, check out "Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma" by Camilla Townsend. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 11:55:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1GtJhs020048 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1GsYXp051041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GsUxB031739; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GsPoi031582 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:54:20 -0800 Message-ID: <438F2B55.4010003@msn.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:56:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 16:54:20.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFBD0AD0:01C5F697] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi all, I have been trying to set us up with a photo album at myphotoalbum.com What a PAIN IN THE YOU KNOW WHAT! I even bought a membership for us so we wouldn't have to deal with pop adds. (I am in the process of getting my money back). Does anyone have any other suggestions for a similar type of site? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 11:59:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1GxAML020558 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1GwShT051521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GwRRQ035203; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GwBHa035123 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DE8B1262813 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:58:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5f698$6a877010$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:58:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Deredere, Sorry if i posted this 2 times, but i have had problems with my emails. I would use a stranded cotton thread, DMC for instance wich is stranded into 6 strands. Then you could try to use as many strands at a time until you get the right "body" of your embroidery.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > Hi, > I am planning on making a regency gown. > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > > But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. > The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > It looks not very tightly spun. > Has anyone any idea what I could use? > > I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. > There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my > taste. > Like the subtle smaller patterns better. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 11:59:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1GxWId020605 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:59:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1Gx3wT051611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Gx3KG035806; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1GwxlW035755 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:59:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so83963nzb for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=izvtGd1usRX4K5PVL6BUIhySQ7pVGutxKEDY+Lf5fr4HANHwIl4BLCBdXSQEAaLpxl6W6IpHIP8HbByO+IwNvyW6Cx8272pSPeS+JTu+O0suuKuAmZAilzl86eGU0bEl0FgGMacpTQXH13Dgu3UjaYWtOMg5NXGluaF3E8LcGy4= Received: by 10.65.189.16 with SMTP id r16mr947633qbp; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:58:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512010858s5a9a4907u31cdca3822a96b3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:58:58 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1GwxlW035755 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Smugmug.com An example of one of their albums is at ithaca.smugmug.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:09:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1H9RpQ021654 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1H3kSX052257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1H3iQ8039843; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:03:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1H3cu1039739 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4832C2628AD for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c5f699$2abc4d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Elizabeth, Point ground lace. Bobbin lace made with a Tulle ground and motifs of flowers. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for > Hi everyone, I'm making a pair of engagentes for a c. 1860 gown and I'm > looking for some clues on what sort of lace I should use for the cuffs, > does anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on what > period lace looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. I'd > prefer an online resource, but if it's got to be a book I'll check the > libraries round about, my local public library has a surprisingly good > selection of costuming books and if that fails hopefully an Australian > author has written on the subject as then I'm guaranteed that the national > library will have a copy (Australian publishers are legally required to > give at least one copy of every book they publish to the national library) > Thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:10:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HAi6v021681 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HACLl053329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HAAEh045982; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HA5vw045885 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4051247FEFC for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:10:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006601c5f69a$17e0c490$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <003701c5f699$2abc4d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:10:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi again, I got a little confused, do you mean lace for cufs or lace for engageantes? For cufs i would use a guipure lace. Engageantes you can use tulle ground lace. Guipure lace has more body and are more sturdy to make cuffs out of . Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for > Hi Elizabeth, > Point ground lace. Bobbin lace made with a Tulle ground and motifs of > flowers. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:20 AM > Subject: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for > > >> Hi everyone, I'm making a pair of engagentes for a c. 1860 gown and I'm >> looking for some clues on what sort of lace I should use for the cuffs, >> does anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on what >> period lace looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. I'd >> prefer an online resource, but if it's got to be a book I'll check the >> libraries round about, my local public library has a surprisingly good >> selection of costuming books and if that fails hopefully an Australian >> author has written on the subject as then I'm guaranteed that the >> national library will have a copy (Australian publishers are legally >> required to give at least one copy of every book they publish to the >> national library) >> Thanks >> Elizabeth >> -------------------------------------------- >> Elizabeth Walpole >> Canberra Australia >> ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >> http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HIC7n021841 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:18:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HHQic054378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HHO1A052343; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HHJOP052280 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.26]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0E9262834 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:17:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007201c5f69b$1b36d7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:17:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regency embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Deredere, I would buy a stranded cotton thread, like DMC. Its stranded into 6 strands. Then you can experiment with how many threads your embroidery want. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:19:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HJHjp021881 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:19:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HImGD054558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HIkx2053581; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HIgE5053528 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so383135wxc for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TcIZekORgrJx6H0mDFpzvZvaHdLGWiI4moIuB2K5zmZg1jBq4vkBYHodkrZkEWPw9/jEspsh4zh1bVh1NRXFY7Sb3GhFIHxN2Q6Ksx2JLE/24lo02p52lnXHPZs9gU+8lOs/h754C5zQQErhpjoxPVxb6M91S++9vlHJokcIeZ0= Received: by 10.70.129.8 with SMTP id b8mr2154908wxd; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.96.18 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:18:42 -0600 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1HIgE5053528 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I use flickr.com Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 12:30:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1HU0Ut022126 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:30:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1HTRPX056240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HTMGh062927; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1HTGjg062791 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so429825wxc for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gT44YfhgzL+VzfCsiTOxN21o0MuYasVn1pFHvgoAyg5QFLPR2BU39FoBWw84kzhMHNF3U0dSHI9FkP7fma6e79Y9YWqyjX6JEa79wYyJWjZYCdsB8CfxwSuLhK8VjGZoQA5UXCWr7FIfCLQwn2WFTmeSa27eW/Qymbvubfnry94= Received: by 10.70.50.19 with SMTP id x19mr1980950wxx; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.80.17 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:29:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:29:07 -0500 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB1HU0Ut022126 I like photobucket.com but I haven't tried the others. -Irmgart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 13:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1IUk9Z023547 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1ITmWl064255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1ITcYn013673; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1ITU5B013492 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 51443 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 18:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 18:29:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201182624.01d2a480@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:28:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for In-Reply-To: <006601c5f69a$17e0c490$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <003701c5f699$2abc4d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006601c5f69a$17e0c490$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 17:10 01/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi again, >I got a little confused, do you mean lace for cufs or lace for engageantes? >For cufs i would use a guipure lace. Engageantes you can use tulle >ground lace. >Guipure lace has more body and are more sturdy to make cuffs out of . Many engageants I have seen are made of very fine white cotton with whitework embroidery, also known as Ayrshire work. Also seen a pair in all over broderie anglais. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 14:50:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1JoprS025492 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1JnOKH074275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1JnJTD083878; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1JnEY9083796 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i29so184451wxd for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:49:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qc6lkQctV1awyTyYbaqSwZWE4OBq9QICJyMX6GUPCn99cPMh10Pk1TpgbNZbiW6g6mu4U7um2TDqocnesGM1zczFeTXr40hxayPznSFD3qrDyg5APbj5TORG5kr9bEddcT4vXVTvEC+gUrxnNHhMF5LPeFKroLw407bhPruA4yk= Received: by 10.65.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr1081345qbm; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:49:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:13 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for In-Reply-To: <438E69AA.9050006@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <438E69AA.9050006@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB1JoprS025492 > US publishers are also required to give free copies of every book to the > Library of Congress, at least if they get any cataloging data off the > LOC. But the LOC, being short of storage space, simply discards a great > many books, I don't know by what means. > > It means they put them on a shelf in the basement for a period of time. > They allow non-profit organizations to select any they can use. I was > allowed some for my Kingdom, using our non-profit status a few years ago. > They didn't have much at the time. Most of them were old copies of things > that had updated copies or well out of date. I don't know where they go from > there. > > -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 16:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1LdkWt028368 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1LcwQp089375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LclAr081166; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LcfOc081024 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 59432338F7 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:38:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:38:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20051201144200.B0A28BFA2D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com DMC carries lacing/tatting thread. 100% cotton. It is a 4-6 strand thread. Not shiny. If you loosen the twist, this would give you a smoother piece of embroidery if that is what you are wanting to achieve. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 18:03:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1N3JLS030263 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1N2c4D001073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1N2VVv056120; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51304.mail.yahoo.com (web51304.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1N2PcA055932 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37705 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 23:02:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bZZbwQ+0pO4wqKNxS0Ve/Kw7c/SE83FgNpIXERbRSZHZ62dqTo8vBOdkSkQuquUdkTenB5M6zh1la/svu5xO4fLUcmshKpavs7pi00QF1kBQKXTigHnft0Ct4usj3oQa0F5E0R0ZTt3s7Pk6IXOyQCV6/vZivtn9e5uGncZ799Q= ; Message-ID: <20051201230219.37703.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:02:19 PST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051201144200.B0A28BFA2D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Cotton embroidery thread would not have been mercerized in the early nineteenth century; a British patent was granted to John Mercer in 1851. So, the cotton for your regency gown would be unmercerized; duller and not so strong. This may be difficult to find; the only source I have is the weaving store Webs http://www.yarn.com/ . Perhaps you may have a similar sort of store closer by you. Ann in CT > >> I am planning on making a regency gown. > >> > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > >> And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > >> > >> But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery > thread I should use. > >> The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > >> It looks not very tightly spun. > >> Deredere __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 18:07:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1N788K030391 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1N6eAs001634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1N6cpi059841; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB1N6UJG059585 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27398 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2005 23:06:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=25zjowyw7fNf6tjcEmM3FY3SNkh+X9h8cSrxLTIR++oEb0xRFuo/8AYqjCiTts1m+2ANldqIJ2bUsslSX4uRq4kOxF68BB7vGeC0ColUSqBQrFaxM/2NC4LiEOHER94PHtHaVhFqpvvWP6c77oqqTHCTzq2TtEaKeyJoQFkzInA= ; Message-ID: <20051201230625.27396.qmail@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.138.134] by web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:06:25 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:06:25 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201182624.01d2a480@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dukes Leopards - new ebsite is now "live" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Suzi, you have I have exchanged occasional e-mails for a while, now; and I've learned a lot from your helpful comments to other questioners on the Lists to which we both subscribe. I thought you'd like to see some of what our Companie has managed to achieve since we had to reform hastily in early 2003, - after John Antill pulled-out in a tantrum, and left just 8 of us, with only our medieval clothes, and a very few weapons. Have a look at our new website at www.dukesleopards.org and see what you think. I thought you'd like to have a look at what we've been able to accomplish since John Antill pulled-out taking all his equipment with him. We now have over 40 Companions, 6 medieval tents, and have made ourselves a lot of equipment. Not bad for a group still lacking in sponsorship of any kind, most of whose members are either retirees or "blue-collar" workers, and nearly all "first-time re-enactors trying to climb a "steep learning-curve". The Site is still under development, - and as this is my first attempt at Site Design and layout - [the Programming was donated - a commercial CMS similar to "Joomla"] - critical comment will be welcome. Please make allowances for my lack of experience at this new Skillset, but everyone has to start somewhere - and at least our Company now has a "webpresence". I have included a "Links to Merchants" File, and taken the liberty of including your URL, since your work is generally held in such very high regard by the re-enactment community. I hope this does not offend you - I realise now I ought to have asked your permission first. If, on seeing the quality of what we display, as shown on our Website, you'd not care to have your name listed in the website, please tell me, accept my sincere apologies, and I'll remove your listing. Sincerely, Julian Wilson. Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 18:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB1Nlq7C031104 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:47:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB1Nl09Y006333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Nkp4n094629; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1NkmFF094561 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so398028nzn for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:46:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=B4IA3YUlZsyhmxS4KMsenjQusO9eUNUkgUKEFcVScrDtkNtR05uqcattO5D3oQ/zThc3w869BzoZLVeNqPJ8fpRMxMav4LnT9cILCRLEzN8vY2tsJdlS4VgN1kwdwDRMJwWlSt1RQXVVuEyLdf94gIxnMJvCkQL9nRavvTA9bzM= Received: by 10.64.184.19 with SMTP id h19mr382663qbf; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:46:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512011546i305043c0qbd99817f0436b3b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:46:46 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: HCostume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB1NkmFF094561 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi folks... I'm stumped and needing some help. My husband has a nice new dress shirt. But except for the neckline, which does fit, the rest of it resembles something ala Barnum and Bailey. This shirt is huge. How on earth do you approach taking 8 inches out of the waist and 4 inches out of the chest? Are we talking a total deconstruction job? Any help would be welcome. Thanks, Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 19:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB20KaOm031751 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB20Jxdj009820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20Jt0E018454; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB20JpsK018364 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50620 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 00:19:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X496pyRVJiJbIS4pd9wXdnt09a4eZn4+iKatR7TDg48fxCiGdrVTnsy94cc1vukqgvYxlhvNpjMnEBSuu9yM+cyGwNDWExy5uxEtK+8G763nj+oroGJUCB44ef6m16jqo9ZcMh8R18fpi34B+0hK5pYY3+HWYZDM8aJ6UHS6GnE= ; Message-ID: <20051202001945.50618.qmail@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.138.134] by web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:19:45 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:19:45 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Apologies - re-Duke's Leopards new website posting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sincere apologies to everyone for mis-posting that last message. It was intended to go "offlist" to Suzi Clark . So, to quote Lazarus Long, I "plead youth and inexperience, and long-and-faithful Service ". [Robert Heinlein] I prey you Pardon; and - as I do hope for Heaven - do trust that God shall move your hearts to Mercy concerning my Transgression. What more can I say? It's late, and I've had a loooong, hard day; and now I'm not-concentrating as well as I ought. Time to give-up and go to bed; - I have to be up at 0545 GMT, and I'm not as bright as I used to be, first-thing-in-the-mornings. Getting older really is "the pits". Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 19:40:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB20eAgr032067 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:40:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB20dkPH011493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20dhOl031331; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20deZC031245 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26b.13a258c (4539) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <26b.13a258c.30c0f1bd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:39:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maricelt@gmail.com writes: How on earth do you approach taking 8 inches out of the waist and 4 inches out of the chest? Are we talking a total deconstruction job? That is difficult, because altering the chest usually also means altering the armholes, and that is really difficult. You could, though, not only take in the sideseams, but also put front and back darts to help with the waist problem. {We used to have the opposite problem, "tapered" shirts, which had those darts, didn't fit the untapered menfolk in my family, so we had to steer clear of them.) I wonder if this oversized cut is part of the whole baggy clothes trend. Where did you buy the shirt? Maybe a more conservative menswear store might be a better choice? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 1 20:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB21PNiv000341 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:25:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB21NbC3015836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB21NV94058372; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:23:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB21NJsw058124 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:23:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051202012302015004de1ve>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:23:03 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:23:01 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:23:01 +0000 Message-Id: <120220050123.22826.438FA1F5000C1EED0000592A22068246939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sg, For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. Roscelin > Any chance you could scan and post the picture (if you can scan it and > send it to me, I can post it). I love construction challenges. > > Sg > > > roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > > I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" and > the picture is on page 92; a pikeman is standing at the top of the page with a > rust colored coat on. This is the first time I'm recreating a costume from a > picture in a book. > > What I need to know is would the seam of the arm placed towards the back like > many of the other clothes at that time? I'm going to have to make my own > pattern for this coat - it's actually for my fiance' for Christmas. I have his > measurements and a pattern made up for a similar piece that is form fitting. > But wanted to be sure of the arm seam. Plus, I'm having problems determing how > wide I need to make the whole sleeve - the sleeve in the picture is pretty > loose. The pattern I have already; the sleeve is snug fitting with buttons from > the wrist to the elbow. > > I hope that all made sense - insomnia is trying to get the best of me. :-) > > > >Roscelin > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 00:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB25t5MT004135 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB25sXOv039922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB25sTKo004174; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB25sOWr004114 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E91DD34BB1 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:54:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:54:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] need some input X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this portrait, what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 01:44:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB26iBAP004917 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:44:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB26hjwL043699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB26hflX028570; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB26hba5028507 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13589 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:10:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:10:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost nothing about periods after 15th c. What periods, if any, would these be suitable for: -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white -- silk noil I'm sure I'll find more; these are things that happen to be in my "use someday" boxes that I'm finally realizing I'll never have reason to use in my usual work. If I know what they're good for, I can perhaps make suitable gifts of them. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 02:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB27q3hb019452 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:52:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB27pTdR048269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB27pQCC059445; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB27pK6N059416 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F77734BA2 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:51:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:51:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) What is wrong with using these for medieval clothing? -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white Early tudor. One or more of the unicorn tapestries has a woman wearing what appears to be moire (the wood grain looking stuff) De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 03:45:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB28jOQ7002424 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:45:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB28j0iH051529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB28iwej086825; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB28iswv086791 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:44:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GPVAITySrY9Y+Uv5szJqG1eRNm0KCnwvgE33Lg2bd40BA3yfhNo/TIrXTlU9GT4C; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.125] (helo=boris) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ei6XF-00069j-R3 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c5f71c$bee71f50$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:45:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd485b9b898d78551ebbc691cc12fb4d6c95cd0c042b896368d8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.125 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've > bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval > clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be > useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost > nothing about periods after 15th c. > > What periods, if any, would these be suitable for: > > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) (snip) --Robin Oh, these would be great for early 17th cen. stuff. I've been amazed at the strong colors I've been turning up in paintings and written records. I've got a bright red dress jacket made up in linen and I'd like to get a petticoat done to match it, but didn't have enough fabric for that. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:04:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB294Ztk004890 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:04:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB293sCe052839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB293o39094754; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB293kup094688 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.23b.2aed3c8 (25098) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/05 8:48:38 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) Obviously depends on exact shades, but there's a version of hot pink that could be got in medieval times - and black, as everyone knows - just have to accept they're rich, and wouldn't have lasted that long. I'd guess it'd be the same with the others - not that you can't use them, just that you have to stop using before they look at all worn (not very likely if you're anything like me - my conquest chemise has just completed its tenth year of re-enactment ). failing that, later 19th c - post annyline (sp?) dye introduction - or got any goth friends - or a big vat of pre-dye? :o) > > -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) Fab for victorian > > -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably > rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white turn of the century (19th to 20th) - bang up to date! (rayon / viscose being manmade, not synthetic, (wood pulp or something - don't have the apparel textbooks to hand), and developed in the 1890s-ish) > > -- silk noil > um - bridal?? I've never really like noil, so not sure on this one. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:08:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB298cZn005226 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB298KIl053319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB298J0E097076; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB298Fgi097023 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CDD63262908 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:08:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002701c5f71f$f73798f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:08:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, To me i see that the embroidery on the portrait is made with 2 main colours. Yellow for flowers, green leaves and brown stems. If the stripes in your material is shot blue, i would also make the flowers that colour, and then make the rest of the embroidery like the original. My 2 cents Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: [h-cost] need some input >I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the > Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. > The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the > plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors > > http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm > > I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this > portrait, > what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29GrlW005902 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29GUQh053781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29GSUD002759; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB29GOg5002710 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43949 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 09:16:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZFg+qSd3LJo8VKqzwOTqvriNgA4uz3w/s4ffPePTZA0K1C/Oa+4uiBVnM/YshCKUlfr3g088Zh/F0gStWDGp0aUZQUDrxO6TvPZNuXvQsG+mahFS6v+xKRO+dCVuqhU1GWSQQAfKCC3dNtN/9bOqNROhCRYqShfe1h6YbSVNP2g= ; Message-ID: <20051202091619.43947.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:16:19 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:19 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Any other photo album site recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Sg I like fototopic.net - it's quite easy to organise and I've got loads of free space. 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Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:31:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29Vjma007956 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29VS3f056632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29VQtk009532; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29VNQL009494 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-183-44.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.183.44]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jB29SPdw028340 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:28:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051202032410.01d018d8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:26:24 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 01:10 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've >bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval >clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be >useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost >nothing about periods after 15th c. > >What periods, if any, would these be suitable for: >-- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) >--Robin I was thinking this would be great for 18th century. I believe in the discussion of quilted petticoats when I was looking for sources for glazed wool someone suggest glazed cotton instead. Certainly the colours would be suitable. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:36:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29a6P4009426 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29ZhLs057683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29ZiS5011264; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29ZdTN011191 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:35:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB29ZWC14680.; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:32 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:35:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:35:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apologies - re-Duke's Leopards new website posting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB29ZdTN011191 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com No need to apologise, Julian - I'm sure we all enjoyed looking at your group's new website. Our music group is supposed to have one in preparation which, as Pepys used to say, I am "with child" to see! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> smnco37@yahoo.co.uk 02/12/2005 00:19 >>> Sincere apologies to everyone for mis-posting that last message. It was intended to go "offlist" to Suzi Clark . So, to quote Lazarus Long, I "plead youth and inexperience, and long-and-faithful Service ". [Robert Heinlein] I prey you Pardon; and - as I do hope for Heaven - do trust that God shall move your hearts to Mercy concerning my Transgression. What more can I say? It's late, and I've had a loooong, hard day; and now I'm not-concentrating as well as I ought. Time to give-up and go to bed; - I have to be up at 0545 GMT, and I'm not as bright as I used to be, first-thing-in-the-mornings. Getting older really is "the pits". Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 04:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB29bmGs009846 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB29bZcT058123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29bY69012120; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB29bQO3012064 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14955 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:03:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright > red, black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > > What is wrong with using these for medieval clothing? Hmm, I guess it's been a while since this came up on the list. In very very brief (without rehearsing all the lengthy discussion), the available evidence strongly suggests that linen was not generally used for the outer layer of gowns (i.e. the fashion fabric). It shows up in documentary and archaeological evidence for many other things: (undyed) for chemises, shirts, and other body linens, as well as veils and aprons; (occasionally dyed?) for clothing linings; (again undyed) for a huge variety of household uses, such as bed linens, table linens, towels, plus (coarser) wrapping, sacking, sails, etc. I believe there's also evidence for some specialized occupational garments made of heavy linen, probably undyed, such as warriors' gambesons. And certainly some ecclesiastical garments were done of linen. However, I have yet to find a reliable reference to a colored linen gown/tunic/surcote/etc. from medieval Western Europe. This preference would be consistent with the assumption that period linens were unlikely to take period dyes with much depth/permanency, and colors were preferred in gowns. Before anyone starts sending me counterexamples: Note that I am *not* using an SCA definition of "medieval." My own work is strictly 11th to mid-15th c. (and mostly 13th/14th c.). I realize there are ample references from the later 16th c. to linen garments (other than body linens) -- that's not what I'm talking about. The economics and methods involved in clothing construction were very different in the Elizabethan era! I also would not be surprised if linen were used for garments in medieval Italy and/or Spain, which were warmer in climate, enjoyed more influences from the East and South, and had a rather different range of garment styles and construction approaches. However, those countries fall outside of my field of inquiry. There would still be the color issue (which perhaps accounts for the greater abundance of pastel shades in clothing depicted in Italian art, but that's simply a musing at this point). I am told that while people using medieval dye recipes today may have success in getting strong, durable colors in modern linen, this reflects the use of certain modern fiber treatments that make modern linen more amenable to dyeing. I am inclined to trust the fiber experts I know who say that period linens, lacking these treatments, would not have been so willing to accept and retain dye. And while there are extant examples of dyed linens, they seem to be used in places that do not get much light exposure (e.g. linings). I'm not absolutely wed to this argument, but I've been keeping an eye out for evidence to the contrary for the last decade or so, and haven't seen anything that strongly counters this hypothesis. On the other hand, there is an abundance of evidence for wool as the default fiber for the fashion layer of gowns/tunics/surcotes of all classes, as well as silk for the wealthy. So if I do eventually find a good reference for a linen garment, it would simply indicate that this is a highly rare, not typical, usage. So: I'm not saying linen was never used for body garments. But it does appear that it was not at all typical. And unless I find good reason to think that it was more than vanishingly rare, I don't want to use it for my work. (My main purpose in making medieval clothing is to test and then demonstrate construction methods, meaning I need to approximate the most likely/typical materials.) I realize that many re-enactors routinely recommend linen for garments, but I think this is a misreading based simply on the fact that linen was one of the two dominant fibers available at this time. Not all fibers were used for all purposes; they have different properties and were used in a specialized fashion. A lot of re-enactors also assume that wool = hot, so linen must have been the default for summer, and should be used for re-enactment in the generally warmer temperatures of modern America. I don't find this to be a valid argument for a variety of reasons (chiefly that a wool garment doesn't have to be hot!), but it's a common one. (Now: PLEASE don't anyone go saying "Robin Netherton says they never used linen in period!" As I've tried to make clear, I'm talking about a specific sort of use, of a specific kind of linen, in a specific region, in a specific time period. Funny how these sorts of nuances get lost when people go repeating things, and it comes back to me months or years later that I've said something was always/never done, without any of those carefully stated qualifications!) > -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, > probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white > > Early tudor. One or more of the unicorn tapestries has a woman wearing > what appears to be moire (the wood grain looking stuff) The moire-looking fabric there is actually watered silk, which has a puddle-ripple sort of design made from allowing water to pool on the silk; it's a rather different sort of look, and made by a different method. (When I did a display piece based on this, I actually found a damask with a woven pattern in that sort of shape; not the right texture, but the right visual effect!) It's true, though, that anyone happy enough with rayon satin probably isn't going to fuss about the shape of the pattern. But I am wondering when the wood-grain version, which is created by pressing the pattern into the surface of the fabric, was introduced. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 06:43:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2BhRjA008258 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:43:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2BgsXp078412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2BgkHt068102; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2BggcU068073 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 642855EE0AD for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:42:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 magic nuts?' This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe fashions two. Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 07:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2C5exQ011699 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2C56s1079816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2C53Jd077572; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2C4wmp077511 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so75790wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:04:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qdi+3BLF80AJPpcNE5jg7fgZPLRneZBpHoLSRSID+ut5rcCxKvPfDXnkulSdBQ8Fvx2irQcKIR5/jTlazFy9eBA1//EaW3a9CTgZuAxtR28jgQdb/F0MBF1bnNEMdnH6hpleWe5ru3Fv1say12osorwKdTMp+KHXjKaVVjnkCL0= Received: by 10.64.196.9 with SMTP id t9mr1416946qbf; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:04:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512020404n64017aa5lbdb408a0a13453f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:04:58 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt In-Reply-To: <26b.13a258c.30c0f1bd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <26b.13a258c.30c0f1bd@aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2C4wmp077511 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hey Ann... I was afraid of that. dang. The shirt was a gift, but a tag said JoS Banks I think. Yeah, Mike - my husband, is a weight lifter and has over the years developed a very inverted pyramid shape. He's got a 19" neck, so I think the buyers just went by the neck and arm, and certainly didn't get a tapered cut, hence the tentage. I'm afraid the shirt is going to get regifted... Thanks for the reply. Mari / Bridgette On 12/1/05, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maricelt@gmail.com writes: > > How on earth do you approach taking 8 inches out of the waist and 4 > inches out of the chest? Are we talking a total deconstruction job? > > > That is difficult, because altering the chest usually also means altering > the armholes, and that is really difficult. You could, though, not only take > in the sideseams, but also put front and back darts to help with the waist > problem. {We used to have the opposite problem, "tapered" shirts, which had > those darts, didn't fit the untapered menfolk in my family, so we had to steer > clear of them.) I wonder if this oversized cut is part of the whole baggy > clothes trend. Where did you buy the shirt? Maybe a more conservative menswear > store might be a better choice? > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 07:46:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2CkQiF012567 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:46:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2CjwW1082895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2CjqeC095151; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2CjmQj095088 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:45:44 -0800 Message-ID: <43904293.7080202@msn.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:48:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 12:45:44.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F560E40:01C5F73E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." Is it on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story " It is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the 1940's in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net stockings! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the > 3 magic nuts?' > This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the > costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch > of eastern europe fashions two. > Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood > when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, > strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 08:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2DvXrI013793 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Dup1G088844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DulkQ029813; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DuicM029793 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E0F534B9E for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:56:43 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:56:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm am not sure if it was the same movie but I remember a Cinderella type movie where Cinderella had shot down three magic nuts/acorns. Breaking a nut off from the cluster, would make a wish and then throw it over her should. The first wish was for archer's clothing. This was years ago on a program similar to "Kookla, Fran and Ollie" De -----Original Message----- Hi, Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 magic nuts?' This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe fashions two. Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:07:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2E7EuO013971 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2E6sxU089948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2E6qeR035238; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2E6kDR035190 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71C2E34BAE for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:06:46 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:06:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com How about an applique design on a Victorian or Edwardian gown? De -----Original Message----- > > -- silk noil > um - bridal?? I've never really like noil, so not sure on this one. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EHAOB014158 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EGpdm090874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EGnwd040651; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EGkLt040563 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b8.1338640 (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2b8.1338640.30c1b143@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: That is difficult, because altering the chest usually also means altering the armholes, Yeah...how are the armholes? Look at the construction. I'll bet the sleeve seam and the side seams were sewn last and at once. [Flat fell seams?] 4" is just 2" a side seam, which is 1" on the front piece and 1" on the back piece. IOW, if you fold the shirt on the side seam and come in 1"...and do that on both sides, you've got your chest prob solved...but you'll need to taper that pinch out to nothing in the sleeve seam. If there's oodles of room in the upper sleeve, you're OK. And then, like already suggested, 2 banana darts either side of CB that take up 1" at waist level and taper away to nothing quickly [like a 1970s shirt] will do the extra you want out of the waist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:26:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EQBsf014345 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:26:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EPsFb091664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EPqrs045685; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav6.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EPn2b045659 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.238.214.147 by BAY108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:25:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.238.214.147] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:25:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 14:25:49.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A957090:01C5F74C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] waxed canvas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2EQBsf014345 Several years ago on a trip to England, I purchased a waxed canvas rain hat. Not only is it very cute, but has had a lot of use, as I live on an island where motor vehicles are prohibited and I bicycle or walk to work, rain or shine. However, it seems to be in need of "recoating" as it is starting to absorb rather than repel the rain, does anyone know what type of product I could use to renew it's rain repelling ability? Thanks, Kelly www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:28:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EStuX014385 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:28:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2ESWTU091957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ESWOn047202; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ESUeD047187 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so613704wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eYbFqy6G9HtADxMorD1dt0bIcgxVHd+DVHX70oZQTe6FYHezl+NOAlBcerd3Qweyl6UUCDoFT27SNZ4rKMacE3jUoUuu1QCsVFPU4x1MPaAI0i0/edfFjEZl2BEbB/qiKcxOv7amrtgO0TgcZp5aUKB2Sfh/26MIEpBSH+M5vwY= Received: by 10.64.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr1493601qbf; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:28:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660512020628x5915824fr1dac1536e8544b44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:28:29 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt In-Reply-To: <2b8.1338640.30c1b143@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <2b8.1338640.30c1b143@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2ESUeD047187 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Brilliant! I'll go look. Thanks! > Yeah...how are the armholes? > > Look at the construction. I'll bet the sleeve seam and the side seams were > sewn last and at once. [Flat fell seams?] 4" is just 2" a side seam, which is > 1" on the front piece and 1" on the back piece. IOW, if you fold the shirt on > the side seam and come in 1"...and do that on both sides, you've got your > chest prob solved...but you'll need to taper that pinch out to nothing in the > sleeve seam. If there's oodles of room in the upper sleeve, you're OK. > > And then, like already suggested, 2 banana darts either side of CB that take > up 1" at waist level and taper away to nothing quickly [like a 1970s shirt] > will do the extra you want out of the waist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EVn2L014442 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EVMhT092268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EVK3B048900; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EVGxn048863 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m131.in-tch.com [216.166.191.131]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB2ENek05906 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:23:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002401c5f74d$fdbea780$83bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:37:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think the thing is, with the dyed linens, that there's not a lot out there supporting the existence of *dyed* *linens.* Dyed fabrics, yes, but not linens. Linens, yes, but not dyed. ;o) At least, not in the part of the world/time most often explored in the SCA. Really don't know much about the uses of colored linens after the introduction of coal-based dyes. (19th century, right?) That said, though, a lot of enthusiasts in my crowd use it as a reasonable alternative to wools for summer garb. Wool can be really hard for us to find at all (weird, considering the winter climate here), let alone in summer-appropriate weights, as we get temps unheardof in England or Ireland or some parts of Continental Europe. So linen shows up used for cottes or gowns or jackets or tunics or.... --Sue in snowy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 766 > In a message dated 12/2/05 8:48:38 AM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > > Obviously depends on exact shades, but there's a version of hot pink that > could be got in medieval times - and black, as everyone knows - just have to > accept they're rich, and wouldn't have lasted that long. I'd guess it'd be the > same with the others - not that you can't use them, just that you have to stop > using before they look at all worn (not very likely if you're anything like me > - my conquest chemise has just completed its tenth year of e-enactment ). > failing that, later 19th c - post annyline (sp?) dye introduction - or got > any goth friends - or a big vat of pre-dye? :o) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 09:36:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2EaTua014537 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:36:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2EZsNj092603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EZsR0051395; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2EZnir051301 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.270.12ca316 (48552) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <270.12ca316.30c1b5bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 7:24:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Look at the construction. I'll bet the sleeve seam and the side seams were sewn last and at once. [Flat fell seams?] 4" is just 2" a side seam, which is 1" on the front piece and 1" on the back piece. IOW, if you fold the shirt on the side seam and come in 1"...and do that on both sides, you've got your chest prob solved...but you'll need to taper that pinch out to nothing in the sleeve seam. If there's oodles of room in the upper sleeve, you're OK. He's right, you know. Having tailored many a dress shirt for a boyfriend in the day, The last seam on the body of the shirt is always the underarm. If it really is a finely tailored shirt, it may be difficult to pick out all of the flat-felling, although most of it can just be cut away and replaced by a new flat-felled seam, save that which is near the cuff. Generally, in well-tailored shirts, the stitch size is miniscule in the flat-felled seams, which makes for a long life for the shirt. Also, the flat-felling in the armhole is a pain to do, although, again, you will only be doing the underarm. This seam is normally sewn and felled before the underarm, making in easier to accomplish and since you are taking in the underarm seam and the sleeve has already been set in the body, it will be trickier, although not impossible, especially if your machine has a free arm. Cheryl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 10:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2FOj6A015403 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:24:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2FKXlv097525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2FKP8T079226; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2FKLgn079077 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 38820113 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:36:36 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:20:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5f753$fd5f3ab0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2FKLgn079077 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's called Three Wishes For Cinderella (Tri Orísky pro Popelku), made in Czechoslovakia in 1973. You can get it from Amazon.com Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:43 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Hi, Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 magic nuts?' This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe fashions two. Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 11:29:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2GTwL4016749 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:29:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2GTIdI006176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2GT7T0029497; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2GSojW029389 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m145.in-tch.com [216.166.191.145]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB2GLDk07692 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:21:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003501c5f75e$69f24a00$91bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical development of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm guessing that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the simpler ones that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the top of my head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle ages/renaissance that I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on bushes/lawns, or else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped over them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as laundry goes. A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were developed by the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the 19th century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify it.... Thanks, Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 12:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2H12VZ017392 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:01:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2H06Ab009766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2H02QQ055190; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2GxvH5055081 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 31650 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 08:58:57 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31636, pid: 31639, t: 3.0482s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 08:58:54 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051202085728.030d3d90@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:59:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] waxed canvas In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 06:25 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >Several years ago on a trip to England, I purchased a waxed canvas >rain hat. Not only is it very cute, but has had a lot of use, as I >live on an island where motor vehicles are prohibited and I bicycle >or walk to work, rain or shine. However, it seems to be in need of >"recoating" as it is starting to absorb rather than repel the rain, >does anyone know what type of product I could use to renew it's rain >repelling ability? >Thanks, >Kelly >www.backwardglances.net Where exactly are you? If you have access to an REI or other sporting goods company, check into their weatherproofing products. You might not want something that is used on boots :-D, but I'll wager that there is something for canvas tents or wet weather gear that might work. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 12:05:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2H5IMH017493 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:05:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2H4V1X010310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2H4MHH058767; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2H4CDB058518 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3A9U4AHTHZJA for (sender ); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LA8VVP82; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:02:56 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:01:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Message-ID: <20051202.110142.-106500423.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-10,12-43 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 16:8:1006758956 X-MAIL-INFO: 2c89691c69c59ca1c59c0dac9c0d31189da9d8ecddf8a9b5d1e5dd71b579c1dcb591f1618901894d8c0de89c89ac X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77Vk/WiSEqZwB3k4Nsr9x3FIulBEyZnyjw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you do a Google search on clothespins and Shakers you will see that the clothespin is frequently attributed to Shaker innovation. The Shakers were responsible for a number of things that we consider commonplace today such as flat brooms, an early version of the circular saw, and paper seed packets. Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical > development > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > guessing > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the > simpler ones > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the > top of my > head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle > ages/renaissance that > I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on > bushes/lawns, or > else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped > over > them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as > laundry > goes. > A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were > developed by > the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the > 19th > century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify > it.... > Thanks, > Sue in Montana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 12:58:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2HwicM018764 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2HwBvm017116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Hw1L1004028; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2HvnNQ003812 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so140162wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:57:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LtZy0ACcXCw9jZpoWpabhE7odCgVg8IDjytNRvTb7oEYzmvKW8kJTYRBuKy/obNc+UJFw6+wXnp6hlqWmkpcq2X7R1dmpxaq1AbPkDp2a0glQvjPCzmXygdhhDDHIQjW5BCmPcDGjV2g90hz7anW5MBQugM+88OE0XAZ750yHVI= Received: by 10.65.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr1633640qbm; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:39:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:39:58 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2HwicM018764 I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen tunic for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems before (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month doing run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the woolly one also by hand. I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich might leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would probably be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 13:20:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2IKhUM019384 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2IJx14019885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2IJhkC022826; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2IJVf1022557 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70006 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 18:19:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RfxzDmxZZR5kRu1UEJCna97Wy7+meTCb2fzlIPgZcgn6tubJ2ioBBLmrW6FCOt9+eobmj6bvJsiDvQAmXeefczwRNdAvxdfL6udpmbmon1/H62yyAPH7B9rv/cO11zkXVUlzUrGVUiqEEr3R0IeKdkaf7dYGj0fG6nmBm9rdQ1Y= ; Message-ID: <20051202181925.70004.qmail@web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.138.134] by web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:19:25 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:19:25 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] waxed canvas To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Kelly, snap - I have just-such a rain hat. Waxed Cooton jackets and coats became something of a fashion item in the UK about 15-20 years' back as I recall. At the same time as "green Wellies", if memory serves. Most of the manufacturers of such garments - [and the most famous in the World must surely be the Australian Stockman's "riding Coat" referred to as a "Driza" - short for "dry as a bone", and almost unchanged in design and manufacturing for over a century ] - sell their own proprietary "dressings for when their garments need re-proofing. Other examples of Makers, "Burberry" have their own Line of waxed cotton / linen / canvas jackets, raincoats, and hats, - as, I believe, do "Peter Storm". Now, I don't know what the Merchants are like in your home area - but in England, you can find wax-reproofing preparations for this job in "The Scout Shops"; also in shops which sell equestrian equipment and clothing; and in such "camping / outdoor-equipment suppliers as "Millets" and "Field & Trek". I have a "Driza" - and the last time I reproofed it, I used a wax-reproofing liquid which I bought in our local Branch of "Millets", here in the Island of Iersey. So far as my "kitchen chemistry goes, - all such preparations carry wax dissolved in a liquid "vehicle" - which dries-out or evaporates after you've brushed or sprayed it onto the garment, leaving the wax behind in the fabric to repel the rain.. Regards Julian Wilson KELLY wrote: Several years ago on a trip to England, I purchased a waxed canvas rain hat. Not only is it very cute, but has had a lot of use, as I live on an island where motor vehicles are prohibited and I bicycle or walk to work, rain or shine. However, it seems to be in need of "recoating" as it is starting to absorb rather than repel the rain, does anyone know what type of product I could use to renew it's rain repelling ability? Thanks, Kelly www.backwardglances.net Yours in Service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Check out the competition now _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:29:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2JTFeQ021114 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:29:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2JSbLX028149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JSULh079621; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JRWqb078736 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:27:21 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:27:06 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com None of the linen is period at all. You can send it to me :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:55:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Jtn8r021823 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2JtYf6031612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JtSJn001010; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JtM6j000903 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A681AF for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EE7940 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Thread-Index: AcX3c8327V9l4ZiRRZ2Q22AO1jZpfwABZMkA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 19:55:16.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[50E605D0:01C5F77A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2JtM6j000903 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've done both running stitch finishes on wool and whip stitch finishes on wool (also taken from looking things up in the Museum of London books :-) ). Here are my thoughts: 1) The running stitch definitely shows on the outside, but it's rather decorative, actually (and is kinda fun, to show off to other people who recognize the research :-) ). It's also rather interesting how much stronger the seam feels after you add the running stitch. 2 of the garments I've applied this too were rather bulky wools, and had some areas with many seams meeting/crossing -- the running stitch actually does a lot to reduce the bulk in those areas. 2) The whip stitch just fades into the fabric if you don't take big stitches though the outside layer. I use the whip stitch for my hems 'cause of this. If you want unobtrusive, this is actually a good one. Afraid I haven't tried any of the other options. -sunny > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:39:58 +0000 > From: Caroline > Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th > century woollen tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig > zag and do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand > sewn hems before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent > a month doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two > parallel lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the > whip stich might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam > would probably > be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Ju6Hp021830 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:56:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Jt2TC031561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Jsvul000607; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JsnLL000467 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 03C7E17A4FE; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:55:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.3]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DA47D17A123 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03cd01c5f77a$1bbba400$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:53:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet (I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part of the puzzle: Segreti per Colori, mid 15thC latinized Italian: --To make a green and red and purple dye for dyeing bones, cloth, thread, and whatever you like, &c. --Take as much as you like of strong white vinegar, and put it in a glazed vase, and add to it scales of copper and copper-filings of a good red colour, Roman vitriol, roche alum, and a little verdigris; let everything be well ground and mixed with the vinegar, and let it remain so for 7 or 8 days and nights, and this vinegar becomes a good green tint for dyeing silk, bones, ***linen*** cloth, and other things as well as for painting. And if in this liquor you put bones raw or boiled, and boil them and let them remain in the liquor for the space of a month, they will become green for ever. And note that scales of copper make the best tint when fresh beaten. In the same manner things may be dyed red and crimson, using vermilion or minium or verzino, and put whatever you wish to dye into the liquor, and it will dye it well. The same can be done in yellow, using orpiment and proceeding as before directed; and, if you like, you may put urine instead of vinegar. Allerley Mackel, Mainz 1532 by Peter Jordani --To dye yarn and linen cloth blue Take the black dwarf elder berries, dry them in the sun and soak them in vinegar for 12 hours. Squeeze them with your hands, strain them and press it through a cloth. Put ground verdegris and alum therein. If the color should turn out light blue then add more verdegris. Lay the yarn or the linen cloth therein. Or take blue bilberries, pour water thereon, let it soak for three or four days, put alum therein and boil it well together. --To dye yarn and linen cloth brown Take a pound of wild saffron and put it in a bag. Lay it a day and a night in flowing water; thereafter wash it until no more yellow color comes from it. Take then a pot and lay a layer of saffron therein which is not too thick. Strew thereon finely ground weyd ashes then again a layer of saffron and again weyd ashes, etc. Cover or stop it up well, and let it stand for seven hours. Take then eight mass of water, four mass vinegar and put the saffron and ashes in a pointed lye sack (long, pointed sack?). Let the warm water and vinegar run through 15 times, and this will be the last dye. Again take the same amount of water and vinegar, let it run through as before, and this is the second dye. Do it a third time, and this will be the first dye. Take this dye and warm it, and let the yarn lie therein for a night. Hang it up once its wrung out. Do the same with the second dye, and in the third let it lie for seven hours. The Secretes of the Reverend Maister Alexis of Piemont, 1580 --To dye threede, yarne, or linnen cloth into a sad browne. Take a pounde of bastrde Saffron, the which you shall put into a little bagge, and hang it in ryuer water a day and a night. Then washe it so muche, that it geue no more yellowe coloure: this done, make a ranke of Saffron ina potte not too thicke, then a rew of Saffron, and a rew of ashes, and couer it well, and let it stande seuen or eyght houres: then take eyghte pottes of water, four pottes of Vineger, and putting the Saffron with the ashes in a long bagge and sharpe pointed at the ende: strayne xv or xvi tymes the sayde water & Vineger thorowe it hote. And this is the last dying or coloure. Then take agayne as muche water and Vineger, & strayne it thorowe, and this shalbe the seconde dying. Do the lyke the thirde tyme, and it shalbe the thirde dying. This colour you shall heate, and lay your threede or linnen clothe in it, the space of a nyghte, then hang it up without wringing or rubbing it. Doo in like manner with the seconde coloure and with the thyrde, but let it lye in it seuen houres long. --To dye threede or linnen cloth blewe. Take the berries of Ebulus, very rype, and well dryed in the Sunne, laye them in Vineger, xii houres, then rubbe them with your hande, and strayne them throwe a linnen cloth, putting to them some Verdet bruised, and Alome alone. Yf the blewe be to be cleare put more Verdet to it, and lay your threede or linnen cloth in it. A Profitable Booke, translated 1605 from T Bouck va Wondre, 1586 --How to dye linnen or thread redde. As when ye will dye any Linnen or thread redde, yee shall take one pound of samfleure, and let it soke halfe a day and a night in water milke warme, then put it into a thicke bagge or sacke, and therein wash and rince it in the riuer till the bagge be therewith red, then wring the water well forth, and so take out your samfleure, and spread it uppon a faire bord or Table and make (as it were) a little thinne bedde thereof, then strew thereon of white ashes, in making beddes of your Samfleure, and when ye haue strewed them with ashes, ye shall take to one pound of Samfleure, a quarter of a pound of ashes, which ashes must be burnt and made of the lyes of white Wine, and it must be wel chaft betwixt your handes, the one against the other, then make thereof a small heape, and so let it rest the space of fiue houres. Then shal yee rubbe it againe til it ware warme, then haue readie a faire bason, and sette it under your stuffe, that it may runne therein, and also wring out the iuyce thereof into the sayd bason. Then cast therein a pinte of wine vinegar that is verie good, then yee may put therein a pounde of yarne, and it shal doe wel. But to dye your Linnen cloth, ye shall put it in before your yarne or fustian. Then lay it therein a day and a night, then take forth your linnen or yarne, and then put therein a gallon of ashes of the Ashe tree, and thereunto your linnen, yarne or fustian, and so let it lye therein halfe an houre, then take it out and wring it as well as you can, then by and by hang it in the sunne, then take that water that ye soked first your Samfleure in, and strayne it (as aforesayd) into the bason unto the other colour, then put therein a glasse full of Vinegar, and then you may put therein your yarne, fustian, or linnen cloth, and doe thereunto as is aforesayd. --Another way to dye Linnen in a faire rose To dye a faire redde Rose colour of Linnen, yee shall take to euerie iiii yards and a halfe of Linnen, half a li. of good gall nots, and seeth them in faire water all whole, the space of 2. Houres. Then take it from the fire, & poure that water into another vessell or fatte, then put your linnen into the sayd water, and let it soke therein the space of foure houres, then take it forth and wring the licour well forth. Then take faire water in a kettle, and set it on the fire, and put therein a quarter of a pound of Allom, and when it is readie to seeth, take it from the fire, and put your cloth therein as soone as ye haue wrung and strayned out your gals aforesayde, but lette it drie a night before first, and then turne it well therein the space of a quarter of an houre. So take it forth and wring it well, & then seeth two ounces of Brasill in faire water, the space of two houres, then take that from the fire, and hange another kettle ouer the fire, and put therein gruys water, so warme it a little, and cast therin two li. of grening wede, then put your linnen cloth therein, and looke that no Allom haue beene in that water. Then let it lye therin halfe an houre, and stirre it wel with a staffe and then take out therof the said linnen, ye may then cast away the same liquor, and wash your kettle cleane, and put therein of the clearest brasill water, and let it wel colour therein. Then take your Linnen and wash it wel in faire water, then take of faire water in a panne, with a little Allom and so seeth them both together: and therein seeth your linnen cloth fiue or sixe Pater noster whiles. Then take out the sayd cloth and wring it well, and after that put the sayd cloth into the kettle of brasill water and therin ye shal turne and winde it wel, the space of a quarter of an houre, then take it forth and wring it a little, and in like wise you shall do with the dying of fustian, but unto your fustian you must haue two parts more of Verdigreace and Allom, and that your fustian must lye therin halfe a day and a night, then wring it forth, and let it drie, then after yee may rayse his cotton with cardes meete for that purpose: if ye will haue your Linnen more fairer, cast into the kettle with your said brasill, some lye made of white Lime, then put your cloth therein, then turne and wind it therein the space of foure pater nosters, and then take it forth thereof, and wring it well, and so hange it up to drie. --To dye faire linnen with brasill. Ye shall take faire water, and heate it ouer the fire, then shall ye haue the powder of galles, and put thereof into the Kettle ouer the fire, and so let it seeth a quarter of an hower: then take it from the fire, and take another vessell and put therein so much cold water, as of the other in the kettle, and put that hote in the Kettle thereunto. Then put your cloth therein, and stirre it well up and downe therein, and as ye haue done so a while, then let it lye therein foure houres long in that gall water, then take your kettle againe with other faire water, and set it ouer the fire and make it hote, then put allom therein to the Kettle ouer the fire, and as that water is hot, and the allom melted, yee must then haue another vessell or fatte with cold water, as much as of the other hote water, and put the Allom water therein, then put your cloth therein, and stirre it as aforesayd, and so let it then lye therein foure houres long, so done, then yee shall wring it out and hange it to drie, or to drie in the ayre, but let it not bee too drie. Then shall ye take your brasill made in powder, and put it in the panne, and so let it seeth therein, the quarter of an houre, and before that brasill doe seeth, ye shall take wheat flower, & put therein, mixe it all together well in a dish, and put it into the kettle before it doe seeth: thus done, let it seeth, and as it hath sod, then take forth so much of the brasil, as ye may put in your cloth, and stirre it well about, as is afore declared, thus done, let your cloth rest therein a good while, then wring it forth, and hang it to dry, & as it is dry, ye shall take that liquor that it hath layne in, and put that away, then take againe so much brasill as before, and put that cloth therein againe, and then hange it to drie, and as it is drie, then put it in another licor, and hang it againe to drie, and then it is full done. And to know the quantitie of weight, which is, to euerie elle of linnen cloth, ye shall take a loot of gall powder so called in Dutch, & as much of allom, and to each elle of cloth one ounce of brasill. --A faire linnen cloth to dye blewe. For to dye a faire blew, ye shal take a pan of faire water, and hang it ouer the fire, & let it be seething hot, then must ye haue a vessell of halfe an Ame, so cald in dutch, or thereabout, & as your licor is hot, put thereto 3 pound of wheat bran, & 3 pound of ashes, and a pound of greening weede, stir all this in the pan, & let it seeth 3 or 4 paternosters long, then take of floray under halfe a pound, & soke it in faire water, & let it there rest a quarter of an houre couered, then take your clean vessel or Ame, & therein put your soked floray, then take the hot licor ouer the fire, but let it coole ere ye put it into the fatte, then put it in and stirre it well, & so couer it wel and close, and let it so rest sixe houres long, then uncouer it & stirre it well about a good while, then couer it close againe, & let it rest other vi houres, then uncouer it & stir it as before, & so stop it again, then uncouer it within 2 or 3 houres, and looke if the die begin to come, or begin to wax greene [Ed.note: in original, phrase here added: "Or if the scum from the bloom begins to appear"], if they do not, let it rest longer and stoppe it close, if ye see it be come, put therein some of your cloth that ye would die, and turne it well therein, then wring it out, and let it rest 2. or 3. houres: then put in again your cloth, & use it as aforesayd, and so stop it wel again, and let it rest so 2 or 3 houres, till ye shall see the dye begin to come, and the flower to lye aboue, & to euerie going that ye goe thereto, see if the colour be green ynough, or wax green, and when ye shall see it so, ye shal scom off the flower with a dish, and then put your cloth again therein, stirre it wel, and wring it forth, then stop it again wel, and thus ye must color three or four times a day. Then must ye take the dye in the vessell, and hange it ouer the fire againe, and there let it bee hot, and put therin two pound and a halfe of ashes. Then put it in the fatte, and so let it rest, but stoppe it well and close, so let it rest a night, but stirre it once in the night with a staffe, & see in the morning if the die be come, as aforesayd, & so put in your cloth againe, but let it not lye therein too long, that it coole not the die, and as yee haue thus dyed it foure times. Then shall ye make it hot agayne ouer the fire, putting therein two pound of pot ashes, & so let it rest all a night, & stirre it once in the night as aforesaid, and stoppe it close, and when yee goe thereto, see if the dye be come, and if it be come, yee may dye, as before, what yee thinke good, and when your colour waxeth a faire green, then is your die good and ripe, and the flowers will lye faire aboue, but as it beginnes to waxe yealow, then is it too ripe: and then must yee put in more cloth. --How to dye a faire Linnen with brasill. Yee shall take so much linnen as ye will, and to euery elle of linnen, take two ounces of gall nuts, or xii nuts: these nuts yee shall breake in twoo or three peeces, then put them into a kettle with water, and let them seeth together, and when they haue sod a quarter of an houre or lesse, then take it from off the fire, and take your cloth foorth thereof, and let it a little soake by, but let it not drie. As ye haue thus sod it, ye shall take another kettle with faire water, and put it ouer the fire and make it seething hote, then shall ye to euery elle of cloth, take twoo ounces of Allom which ye shall put in the said water, & as it is melted, yee shall take the foresaid cloth and put it into the said kettle to the Allom and let them seeth together a quarter of an houre, then take it forth of the kettle and wring it a little, then hang it to drie a little, but not too much. Then yee must haue your sod brasill as thus: ye shall take lye made of wood ashes, but see it be not too strong, and thereof so much in your panne as wil make your cloth weat, then put your brasill into the pan with the lye, and so let it seeth a quarter of an houre, then set it from the fire, and haue ready an earthen panne, and by and by put your liquor and brasill therein, then shall yee put your foresaid cloth therein, and stirre it & turne it well therin, but see that it be not too dry of the said Allom that it hath been sod with. Also to foure gallons of lye, ye shall put lesse then halfe a pound of brasill poulder small beaten. --To dye blacke Veluet or Linnen. Take of gals and coperas, & seeth them together, and put your linnen therein, if it be gray silke, then take of Elder barks, and old yron, and put all in a herring barrell or vessell. Then take gruis or swarte, this shall be a third dele [part] of the fat, the other two parts shalbe faire water, so let it stand three weekes long, & so stir it often well about, and put your gray silke therein, and as this is done, so shall ye hang it to drie, and so put it in againe, so often till that it be blacke ynough. In stead of galles ye may take barkes of Oke, and Shomakers blacke. [note: there are a lot of recipes in these and other manuscripts for dyeing 'whatever you like,' which may include linen but don't say so specifically.] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 14:58:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2JwBKm021885 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:58:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2JvG8N031805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:57:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Jv8nZ002387; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1J1Hbl041588 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d5.34921732 (3956) for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:01:07 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/1/2005 12:12:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Guipure lace has more body and are more sturdy to make cuffs out of . Speaking of lace....[which I know nothing about] When does Battenburg lace....y'know, that we now mainly associate with table linen...when is it big. Haven't I seen an entire Crinoline gown made from it...in a Met Museum Magazine or something? When does it 1st appear? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:03:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K3qLP022013 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:03:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K3QUW032488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K3NgY007533; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:03:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au ([143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB20meCA036410 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB20lxZr008325 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:17:59 +1030 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb012.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb012.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.22]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB20lxni008321 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:17:59 +1030 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb012.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:17:59 +1030 Message-ID: From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:15:43 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: mid 19th century lace what to look for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Elizabeth: If you can get to Sydney, or have friends in Sydney, one of the museums there has a collection of some sort of lace from about elizabethen onwards. Patterns can be bought, apparently. I didn't go, but when I was in Sydney for KWDS in July some of the ladies went and came back raving about it. If you ask somebody in the SCA either locally or in sydney they might either know of it or know somebody who does. I think Mistress Miriam Galbraith was one of the people who went there... Sorry I can't be more help, Rebecca > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:20:17 +1100 > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" does > anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on > what period lace > looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:05:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K5Tel022068 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:05:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K563P032683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K4xJh008909; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB24GYoJ054129 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 185E6366D3 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:16:33 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <120220050123.22826.438FA1F5000C1EED0000592A22068246939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I don't this this list excepts attachments. De -----Original Message----- Sg, For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K7kbq022129 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K7HZN033119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K7DpF011012; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DSKkf016515 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:28:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 829510015 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:28:18 -0600 Message-ID: <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story > " It > is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the 1940's in > America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of stuff.....as I > recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized female manikin leg > complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net stockings! Which I saw, in last Sunday's local newspaper, that you can purchase for your very own! They will even send it in a wooden crate with bales of wood excelsior packing, in case you want the complete movie experience. http://theleglamp.com/signaturelamp.htm (I think the dad wins it as a prize, but either way...:-) My favorite is the Muppet's Christmas Carol. My children think I'm insane. My second favorite is the same movie (A Christmas Carol) with George C. Scott. In fact, I like nearly every version of that movie that I've seen, but George C. Scott is my favorite Ebenezer. Patrick Stewart a close second. Not a lot of costume content here, but one of my favorite holiday decorations is a collection of Father Christmas/St. Nick/etc figurines that depict him in traditional costumes of the past. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:08:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K85FF022149 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:08:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K7g07033179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K7fGq011414; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Dlbnq025315 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDD4262882 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:47:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c5f746$fc7d7920$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:47:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] extra stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I have started to make an extra stomacher for the yellow dress. I made a pattern of my own, and made a serpentine with bullion roses........... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Now i am assembling the dress bit by bit, all pieces ready to be put together........ ahhhhhhhhhh Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:08:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2K8FYY022157 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2K7XWq033149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2K7XG1011311; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2DZMXK019522 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26d.12915c3 (3956) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <26d.12915c3.30c1a790@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:35:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 7:46:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story Yes, that is fabulous. It came out when we were living in southern Mississippi, and it really made me nostalgic for the Chirstmases I spent in colder climes. I mentioned last year the "Cinderella" that was done live on CBS in the late '50s, with Julie Andrews in the title role. Not strictly a holiday movie, but delightful nonetheless. It is costumed in Regency style; of course, it is black and white, as NBC had the patent on color TV in those days. Finally, much more recent, we watched "Elf" last week. It is good, too. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCBo7022267 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KBEdE033630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KBCWY014240; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KB97d014190 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19841 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:36 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > None of the linen is period at all. > > You can send it to me :). Nice try ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCeu9022279 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KC9q1033783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KC3OW014866; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ELWY4043294 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m131.in-tch.com [216.166.191.131]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB2EDuk03575 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:13:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If it were me, I'd be doing the camicia embroidery in gold, since the original looks to be gold. The colors of the gown look to me to be a gold and a darker gold (brown? black?) pattern, so gold would work nicely with the original fabric. With your possible gown fabric? Hmmm....dunno. Probably still do it in gold, but carefully choosing a "shade" of gold thread that best went with the mustard tones of the fabric. Or just *possibly* doing it in blue--I don't know of any extant camicia (or Italian portraits) that show blue embroidery (at least, not this early on a snowy morning), but there *IS* that boy's shirt from slightly earlier in the 16th century, which is now in theV&A. --Sue, looking forward to an unexpectedly quiet weekend--perfect for sewing on her new outfit (10th century Norse...decided to do it by hand ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] need some input > I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the > Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. > The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the > plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors > > http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm > > I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this portrait, > what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCmqj022283 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KCNXX033848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KCMlR015209; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ES1kM046811 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.240.2b4442b (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <240.2b4442b.30c1b3e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:27:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright redblack (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) ********************* You can always dip them down or change the color completely by dying...Ritt works well on linen....even the hot pink. -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) ********************** 18th century....especially for lining a caraco or something where you'll catch a glimpse of it...like a yellow silk jacket lined with the blue...or actually even the apricot. Tres chich! -- moire (the modern stuff that looks like wood-grain in texture, probably rayon), in light blue or ivory or yellowy-white ********************** Victorian. I see an 1895 ball gown with huge sleeves.... -- silk noil ******************* Hmmmmmm.... embroider it in coral red and make an early 1920s day dress or make a great 20s dress out of some brightly patterned china silk and a floater coat of the noil lined with the dress fabric. Also tres chich! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:12:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KCtmE022288 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:12:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KCTvS033878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KCTfE015317; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Ecv0S053153 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.258.2aa7528 (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <258.2aa7528.30c1b66d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:38:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Of course it's Nutcracker time. I like the unorthodox Ballet West film of it with Maurice Sendak designs. The Arabian dance is turned into a peacock dancing....danced by the same dancer who plays Clara's mother.at the Act I party. I love that. Great costumes and stage magic! And there's Mark Morris' "The Hard Nut"...also on film. He puts it in the 1950s. The "Waltz of the Flowers" becomes the waltz of the house plants....that need watering. Too much fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:13:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KD8ps022300 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:13:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KCnbN033955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KCm0R015579; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:12:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ErAPv061568 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.12a.6b09644b (48552) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:52:56 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.6b09644b.30c1b9c8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:52:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tailoring a man's shirt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Well, Joseph A. Banks is a good name, but, probably, cut on the generous side, for the, ahem, more mature male. I would try other stores, like Men's Wearhouse, and see if you can find a brand that fits him well. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KEjgi022368 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KDGkV034016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KDETe015976; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2F606u069366 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.219]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 996F55EE04B for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:05:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c5f751$f1727930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:06:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=50% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Yes this is the film i am talking about. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie > I'm am not sure if it was the same movie but I remember a Cinderella type > movie where Cinderella had shot down three magic nuts/acorns. Breaking a > nut > off from the cluster, would make a wish and then throw it over her should. > The first wish was for archer's clothing. > This was years ago on a program similar to "Kookla, Fran and Ollie" > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:16:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KG1bT022410 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KEOsu034163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KEMFR016954; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2G4aV4009659 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jB2G4UT18164 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:04:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:04:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hiya, This is also my favorite Christmas movie without Bing Crosby, or that is not an animation by Rankin and Bass. :D But He didn't order the lamp, it was an award. a major award. Althea "It'll put your eye out" Turner On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:48 AM, WickedFrau wrote: > This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." Is > it on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? > > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60031127&trkid=189530>" It > is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the > 1940's in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind > of stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life- > sized female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish- > net stockings! > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and >> the 3 magic nuts?' >> This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the >> costumes in it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a >> touch of eastern europe fashions two. >> Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed >> hood when she goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever >> saw, strange that it wasnt a fashion made that way. >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KIFeN022475 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KHju0034575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KHdRZ019660; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Gx29r054254 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB2Gwsl00283.; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:58:54 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:58:54 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:58:32 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2Gx29r054254 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com "Two-legged" clothes pegs (as I would call them) are shown in Beatrix Potter's "Mrs. Tiggy-Winkle" (around 1900?) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mooncat@in-tch.com 02/12/2005 16:35 >>> Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical development of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm guessing that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the simpler ones that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the top of my head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle ages/renaissance that I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on bushes/lawns, or else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped over them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as laundry goes. A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were developed by the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the 19th century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify it.... Thanks, Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KIUVL022482 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KIDAY034645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KIACH020091; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2H2gt3057369 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.140]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2782C47FE6D for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:02:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5f762$33bdf570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003501c5f75e$69f24a00$91bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:02:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=37% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Sue, The oldest clothes pins i have seen were wooden sticks wich has a wedge in one end. You press the stick with your clothes between and onto the line. The tension of the wedge in the stick holds it in possition. These are still available here in Denmark. Have you seen The drafters contrakt? A lot of laundry is seen hanging in this film. (17th century) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical development > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > guessing > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the simpler > ones > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? Off the top of > my > head, the only wet laundry treatments from the middle ages/renaissance > that > I remember seeing depicted is the laying out of linens on bushes/lawns, or > else using poles, almost like flag poles, with the clothing draped over > them. I don't have clue one about later time periods, as far as laundry > goes. > A friend mentioned that the "leggy" type of clothes pins were developed by > the Shakers, which would most likely place them somewhere in the 19th > century, but she didn't remember her source, so I couldn't verify it.... > Thanks, > Sue in Montana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:21:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KLBS1022555 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KKDFb034994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KK78t021722; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2ISkkW030313 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 0769D143780; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.3]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C8F7143154 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03a901c5f76d$96b509b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:24:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright red, > black (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > > -- glazed cotton (apricot, blue) Ooooh, this is going to drive me crazy. I found something semi-recently that seemed to document black (well, blackish) linen; in fact, if I remember right, it said that the main colors that linens used for garment construction (presumably linings, facings, and accessories) were dyed are sky blue, gray/brown, and very dark brownish/blackish/gray. But I am completely blanking on where I read it, and am thinking that unfortunately it was in the I-am-an-idiot-and-forgot-to-write-down-the-name-of-the-book book that I recently photographed for lack of a scanner. It's a two inch thick book put out by some part of Oxford U that attempts to reprint every single document from England in the Tudor era, and part of a long series that attempts to do the same for every era of Britain's history. They fail, but they do have a ton of stuff. (Robin, it lives in the Covenant Seminary library on Conway Rd just west of 270.) I've got pictures of at least a third of the pages in the book sitting in a file on my computer waiting to be typed up, and they're a real nuisance to check through in that format because there's no way to search them. I'll look in my other files and see if I can find it elsewhere; I could be remembering wrong about how strong the documentation is, unfortunately. But er, anyway, even though the black is no doubt too pure a black to be hugely accurate, you might want to recheck whether or not it's useful. Or you know, give it to me. =} The glazed cotton should be hugely useful to 19thC people; it's the de rigueur lining material for bodices and dresses, at least in the 2nd half of it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:21:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KLtFU022587 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KLQBE035184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KLNvx022760; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JtRJR000902 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1F25388 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0446A96D for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Thread-Index: AcX3c8327V9l4ZiRRZ2Q22AO1jZpfwABZMkA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 19:55:16.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[50E605D0:01C5F77A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB2JtRJR000902 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've done both running stitch finishes on wool and whip stitch finishes on wool (also taken from looking things up in the Museum of London books :-) ). Here are my thoughts: 1) The running stitch definitely shows on the outside, but it's rather decorative, actually (and is kinda fun, to show off to other people who recognize the research :-) ). It's also rather interesting how much stronger the seam feels after you add the running stitch. 2 of the garments I've applied this too were rather bulky wools, and had some areas with many seams meeting/crossing -- the running stitch actually does a lot to reduce the bulk in those areas. 2) The whip stitch just fades into the fabric if you don't take big stitches though the outside layer. I use the whip stitch for my hems 'cause of this. If you want unobtrusive, this is actually a good one. Afraid I haven't tried any of the other options. -sunny > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:39:58 +0000 > From: Caroline > Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th > century woollen tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig > zag and do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand > sewn hems before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent > a month doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two > parallel lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the > whip stich might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam > would probably > be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KMSaF022610 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KM4Yd035298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KLsFP023242; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2JxMEB004142 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EiH3t-0007SQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: <29538468.1133553557853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:59:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical > development > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > guessing > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the > simpler ones > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? I don't have any information on when or where. But I would guess that the modern manufactured form of the "prong" clothespin descends ultimately from a simple twig, split partway up from the bottom. The natural springiness of the wood would easily keep the "legs" of a split twig exerting inward pressure, holding the clothes to a clothesline. I do have vague memories of seeing medieval clotheslines: the first place I'd look would be in the backgrounds of paintings, strung between buildings in a city scene. Progress from this form could consist of (1) applying a binding around the top of the twig, or (2) actually cutting out a slot in the twig rather than splitting it -- making it less likely that the stick would split all the way up to the top and fall apart (since splits along the grain tend to propagate). Splitting is still, IIRC, the most common form of "clothespin failure" with the modern sort. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:24:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KO2Cu022647 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KNW9U035469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:23:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KNUoh024285; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:23:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KNQ44024232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:23:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-156.sonic.net [209.148.113.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KNMcP014571 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:23:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4390AD42.9030904@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:23:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fairy /christmas book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Not a movie, and not exactly about Christmas, but a good Christmas present for an adult or child: _Alice's Journey Beyond the Moon_, by R. J. Carter, Telos Publishing (UK) This is an Alice in Wonderland journey done in the style of Lewis Carroll, pretending to be a newly discovered manuscript and with pseudo-scholarly footnotes. The writing is very well done. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KR5Tc022725 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:27:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KQham035871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KQf7s026949; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KQZI4026791 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:26:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:23:51 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:26:43 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcX3aiieTy5vpRwDSMexmum24g9IeAAFAZ8A X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 20:23:51.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F206430:01C5F77E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped like a "Z"- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching only 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to the fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. HTH Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen tunic for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems before (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month doing run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the woolly one also by hand. I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich might leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would probably be rather bulky. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KUmAv022816 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KPPo4035711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KPIXh025801; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KP73w025638 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 11FA2BABD; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.3]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A1913B832 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:29:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03de01c5f77e$16e36b30$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:55:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" > None of the linen is period at all. > You can send it to me :). I'm closer! =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KUmH9022815 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KUHmB036366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KUDEn029909; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KSkaE028739 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20071 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:55:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:55:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) In-Reply-To: <03cd01c5f77a$1bbba400$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, E House wrote: > Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet > (I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find > these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that > linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part of the puzzle... Yes, there are certainly plenty of references to linen dyeing and linen garments in the 16th c. The Plictho would be another similar source; Drea has been collecting these for ages (and I'm guessing you picked these up from her site? let's give her credit for her great work in webbing all this material). So it sounds like I can justify most of my linen hues for 16th c.; I don't know if I can justify the deep intensity of the shades I have on hand, or whether they're correct for clothing :-( There are 16th c. inventories and other documentary references to dyed linen garments, but I'm not sure about the colors mentioned -- I haven't done any real study of this period. Your Italian reference is the earliest I've seen for a recipe, which supports what I said earlier about seeing some implications that dyed linen was in greater use in Italy earlier than points north. I once heard a scholar refer to legal restrictions on linen dyers in medieval Germany (something like not being allowed to dump their dyebaths in the local river), but I'd like to get a better citation before I take on faith that this wasn't a misreading of a restriction that mentioned both linen processors and dyers in the same ordinance, since both procedures do nasty things to water supplies. Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval Western Europe -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC -- and I want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen dyeing done in this period. But I don't think it's safe to assume from that that the linen was frequently dyed, and that dyed linen was typically used for the visible layers of clothing, which is what my focus was in my earlier post. Some time ago on this list, someone talked at length about evidence that linen in, hmm, 18th c America? -- I'd have to look it up -- being used almost exclusively in white, blue (often striped), and brown, but rarely or never in other colors, based on inventory evidence and surviving garments. So I wonder whether the use of more variously colored linens was something that went in and out over time, or came later to certain geographical regions. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KVqP0022870 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KVC80036468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KV6Vg030576; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KV0fZ030465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-156.sonic.net [209.148.113.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KUs8L016503 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:30:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4390AF06.5010805@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:02 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another fairy /christmas book References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <006c01c5f744$4907c550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <4390AD42.9030904@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4390AD42.9030904@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com BTW, another one I'd recommend is Jeffrey Ford's _Cosmology of the Wider World_--it's sort of like _Wind in the Willows_ on hash. You can get it at www.pspublishing.co.uk. I've also got an extra copy of that and another book of theirs, Vera Nazarian's _The Clock King and the Queen of the Hourglass_. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KVr14022871 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KVLt9036489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KVKU0030758; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KVCqp030659 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so276868wra for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qken1KadYPAOgbZAs2vMZyjXe0ex4HEwZRupUR3P0SBLBW9SFB5gFldCeSj/NXUbZZV/+U1i0/Ly187095gu4VwlslEPbyVUKXsmGTI9FbGc9SxgIE3b44/QaNRn2pA3X32Wk+fGwSUvWzUbMcLLeevxtzd+7SWz+J15ToJ81QI= Received: by 10.65.59.13 with SMTP id m13mr1776814qbk; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512021231q5f2fae0v@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:31:09 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? In-Reply-To: <29538468.1133553557853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <29538468.1133553557853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2KVr14022871 Many of the pegs bought in the 19th and 20th century were made by Roma gypsies. It's an interesting subject but Romany history is almost non existant in it purest (written text) form. Lot's to think about.... no easy answers. Oh don't forget peg dolls - I used to make them as a kid On 02/12/05, Chris Laning wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0700 "Sue Clemenger" > writes: > > Hi, everyone. I am looking for information on the historical > > development > > of clothes pins--the kind you use to hang up wet laundry with. I'm > > guessing > > that the spring-type ones are pretty modern, but what about the > > simpler ones > > that have a body and two "legs?" When were they developed? > > I don't have any information on when or where. But I would guess that the > modern manufactured form of the "prong" clothespin descends ultimately from > a simple twig, split partway up from the bottom. The natural springiness of > the wood would easily keep the "legs" of a split twig exerting inward > pressure, holding the clothes to a clothesline. I do have vague memories of > seeing medieval clotheslines: the first place I'd look would be in the > backgrounds of paintings, strung between buildings in a city scene. > > Progress from this form could consist of (1) applying a binding around the > top of the twig, or (2) actually cutting out a slot in the twig rather than > splitting it -- making it less likely that the stick would split all the way > up to the top and fall apart (since splits along the grain tend to > propagate). Splitting is still, IIRC, the most common form of "clothespin > failure" with the modern sort. > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:32:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KWt3e022908 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:32:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KWc8N036655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KWV6k031732; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:32:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2KWJZj031549 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3BM3ZAK8L9N2 for (sender ); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LA89TXTQ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:31:41 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:30:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Message-ID: <20051202.143003.-106500423.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-38 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:207597530 X-MAIL-INFO: 2deaea9e8b0b8ec79eae8e9e270f27bbcbb77357fa97c3da4afaea1bde935b676a6b9e9373734f8e9e1e5bd71b2efb83fbba873fba87ef3787ef9e1b27b37bbb7f23b38fe72a7f0e8fd34e478f434b2f2e3a2ea7cfefe3872e37 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77Vk/WiSEqZwkgQaRO2xS6+NG2djttFp/g== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The most recent Signals catalog has both a large and small version of the lamp for sale. Let's hear it for kitch..... Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) "Diana Habra" writes: > > > This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." > Is it > > on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? > > > > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story > > > " > > It is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the > 1940's > > in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of > > stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized > > female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net > > stockings! > > Actually, he wins it by entering a sweepstake drawing. And even > though it > is hideous, he takes great pride in the fact that he "won" it. > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:38:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Kckr7023088 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:38:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2KcKIH037687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KcC7P036722; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Kc5vK036610 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so281897nzp for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DmFMiRVcP1o6R0M/ADbTckX0PVCn8Ol8icvqEqftxnVNBL/RLAJbYEHftws7AkwHCRvC4fc1smyIoiR4P09lL1ofhgP7lUKxQG5xriIZlVRPFMH9+1sJWEWlxM/m2zgOar4Ans7+Fjqe2QmoladEWkoQcqnwnuRm7hekfrEuJ+c= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr1780462qbn; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:38:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512021238n464eb5d4p@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:38:03 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool In-Reply-To: <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB2Kckr7023088 Betsy - you have described my normal method of heming here. Visibility on the front is not necessarily undesirable - it certanly looks like some of the medieval stiches were both functional and decorative. I think I may go for a sewing the seams down with running stich. My only worry is that this will still allow the fabric to fray. I suppose if the tunic is never washed................. authentic but possibly a bit smelly. On 02/12/05, Betsy Marshall wrote: > > This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped > like a "Z"- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but > parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching > only > 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to > the > fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread > tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. > HTH Betsy > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Caroline > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen > tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems > before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month > doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich > might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would > probably > be rather bulky. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2Kq898023401 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:52:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Kp3qi041622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KDtZQ016533; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2FXZc5088080 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 24755 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 16:24:03 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:24:03 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1092.67.188.164.116.1133537808.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43904293.7080202@msn.com> References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <43904293.7080202@msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > This sounds delightful. I wonder if we can get it "over here." Is it > on video tape or DVD? Can you give us some more details? > > My favorite christmas movie is "A Christmas Story > " > It is totall silly. Costume content? Well it takes place in the 1940's > in America (maybe the midwest?) So, if you like that kind of > stuff.....as I recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized > female manikin leg complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net > stockings! Actually, he wins it by entering a sweepstake drawing. And even though it is hideous, he takes great pride in the fact that he "won" it. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 15:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2KqHRk023405 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:52:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2Kps11041772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Kpotf048340; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2KphQH048205 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20366 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? In-Reply-To: <240.2b4442b.30c1b3e7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright redblack > (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) > ********************* > You can always dip them down or change the color completely by dying...Ritt > works well on linen....even the hot pink. If I needed it, yes, but since I have a ready source of inexpensive undyed/bleached linen, it seems silly to pay money to spoil some really nice colored fabrics if they can be used elsewhere. That's why I'm wondering where else they might be used; I'd like to give some of them to friends, and I'll sell the rest. Thanks so much for the thoughts on the others! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:00:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2L0OWr023670 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2L047Y042986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L02oH054764; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Kxtr0054535 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:59:48 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:59:35 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Favorite Christmas Movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Scrooge, 1951 version w/ Alastair Sims and We're No Angels, from 1955. The latter just came out on DVD so I will be able to watch it this year without the horrible editing it usually receives :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:02:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2L2Kps023780 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:02:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2L1j4j043266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L1iO4056304; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB2L1eth056186 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7452 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2005 21:01:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3KAEKIrwjsE1DMRrlNg1qwzK/RJ4ymZg+rTECQK+pVM9TrdBJxf0s7ftZg/SMXL8C/dvASxiprq4Gokd3JVwYmr4U+ypqFQgDYjncZB02P/fAtDrTeXbSO30U3WJ+bWkdXHgXhBT4pysKSlKlAT0SKm9PtrFRpa7+bGrOhtzz4Q= ; Message-ID: <20051202210135.7450.qmail@web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:01:35 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512022030.jB2KRXOu027675@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: christmas movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com So many good movies at this time of the year I like "A Christmas Story". Although it is from a few years before MY time, it seems to tell the story of My childhod christmases in the 1950's. I too was dressed in a snowsuit that made me fat as a tick, Tinsel on the tree, going to see Santa at a big department store and the displays in the windows. It just seems to be all there. In our house we watch all the Christmas Carols, the Muppett one a (a Muppett Miss Piggy/Mrs. Cratchett is too too much), the old 1950's one with Alaistair Cook, the newer one's with Patrick Stewart. It's always good, you can't really hurt a classic. (which is why it's a classic) This time of year they frequently play the movie about Handel writting the Messiah. not good costumes, not really accurate, kind of painted with a broad inspirational/religious/spiritual brush, but I still like it. Mainly because the Messiah is one of my favoite pieces of music. But Handel was a pip, in a true 18th century manner. He supposedly once threatend to throw a soprano out a window. I would have loved to see one of the original 1700 performances in a real 1700's theatre. Oh Bjarne, Can you imagine the clothing and the lights. THe cloths we do now are only pale imitations of the real things (well not yours) Mia in Chralottetown, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:09:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2L98Ha023964 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:09:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2L8lCv044273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L8j3x061864; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2L8eB0061797 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB2L8cF9029597 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:57:54 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512021900.jB2J0UFF057249@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: clothes pins X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Clothes pins were invented by the Shakers in America. Or so they claim. One of their many cool and designy contibutions. I guess that would have been in the early 1800s. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:22:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2LMRFN024524 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:22:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2LLGdP045696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LLBE6071471; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LL25Y071304 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 796D334BC9 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000001c5f753$fd5f3ab0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks! De -----Original Message----- It's called Three Wishes For Cinderella (Tri Orísky pro Popelku), made in Czechoslovakia in 1973. You can get it from Amazon.com Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2LMS1e024527 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2LLGIG045695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LLBoC071450; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LL076071296 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0B1834BD7 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:20:59 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] favorite fairy /Christmas movie Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:21:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001401c5f751$f1727930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I liked it very much. I keep my eyes open at the video stores in hopes to see if it will ever show up on their shelves. Though not my favorite, The Polar bear king isn't a bad movie. De -----Original Message----- Hi, Yes this is the film i am talking about. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 16:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2LcDA5025005 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:38:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2LbbeA047831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LbVBm084310; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2LbO0D084185 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C673134BC9 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:37:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:37:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Gee I can't think or spell. I don't believe this list excepts attachments. De -----Original Message----- I don't this this list excepts attachments. De -----Original Message----- Sg, For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 17:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2MHDse026260 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2MGmvQ053267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MGk3L015291; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MGgJo015173 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:16:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9D405B1 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:16:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4390C7E4.6000400@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:17:08 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 > magic nuts?' It sounds delightful. I like "White Christmas" and "Holiday Inn" with Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire. Not much fancy costuming, unless you like to look at clothing from the early 1940's, but the music and dancing is fun. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 17:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2MIl6d026309 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2MIQgr053519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MIQok016597; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [68.230.241.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2MILCl016458 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051202221742.XSHE3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:17:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200512011900.jB1J0CnR040555@net.indra.com> References: <200512011900.jB1J0CnR040555@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <89539DD5-F32A-4CB2-A4F2-E46D8A2CC3B6@cox.net> From: Max Callahan Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:16:52 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: mid 19th century lace what to look for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > I'm kind of late on my emails... > I think Suzi got it closest. Here are some on Ebay...the first pair > are fancier and the second slightly plainer with just a cotton lace on the hem. Also have seen some beautiful ones with the sleeve body having the whitework covering it. It does give you some good options. http://tinyurl.com/7ugu2 http://tinyurl.com/dg49b -Debbie Callahan > > Many engageants I have seen are made of very fine white cotton with > whitework embroidery, also known as Ayrshire work. Also seen a pair > in all over broderie anglais. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 18:00:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2N0duE027744 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:00:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2N0Bqk058780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2N03SQ048653; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2Mxw4p048504 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051202225952014005v4mse>; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:59:52 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:59:51 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] !5th Century coat Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:59:51 +0000 Message-Id: <120220052259.6539.4390D1E70003B5D50000198B22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I was trying to send it to Sg personally since I knew the list didn't except attachments. We found out what the problem is; for some reason Comcast.net is not allowing many of us to send messages to anyone with MSN. I'm going to try later today to see if Comcast fixed the problem. This week and next I am right in the middle of preparing for a large medieval Yule Feast that I'm autocrating, cooking for over 50 people, embroidering an heraldic tablecloth, a gift for that gift exchange, and a gift for this gift exchange. So, I'm fitting in H-costume stuff when I have a few minutes here and there Roscelin > Gee I can't think or spell. > I don't believe this list excepts attachments. > De > > -----Original Message----- > I don't this this list excepts attachments. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Sg, > > For some reason I am having problems with sending you any attachments > with the picture. Let me find out what is wrong or if all else fails I will > do up a quick and dirty website with the picture and then later add photos > of the garb I have made in the past couple of years. > > Roscelin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 18:05:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2N5KbE027865 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2N4xSH059380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2N4v0V052280; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2N4rFU052219 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 7A837138550; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:05:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.75.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.75]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F32913850F for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:05:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <041b01c5f795$1c0981a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:07:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yes! That was from Drea's site. By the way, I'm not saying that colored linen should be used for outer layers of outer garments (but I do, because I can look at a picture of fire and get over-heated) but rather that colored linen can be reasonably documented as a _part_ of an outer garment. A few more notes, some of which rely on translations by Katherine Barich: There's also at least one extant blue linen lining, Queen Margareta's dress if I remember aright. Yep, here it is: Blue hip-length linen torso lining dated to early 15th century: Drottning Margaretas gyllen kjortel i Uppsala Domkyrka (The Golden Gown of Queen Margareta in Uppsala Cathedral). Geijer, Agners, Anne Marie Franzen, Margareta Nockert. Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademien 1994 (1st print 1985). and also: Black, waxed full linen lining of a Burgundian man's coat (mid 15thc), Textile Conservation. Flury-Lemberg, Mechthild. Schriften Der Abegg-Stiftung, Bern, 1988. pp. 156-157. The 'Textiler Hausrat' by Jutta Zander-Seidel has inventories that reference (colored?) linens used in garments (sorry, my notes on this one aren't clear enough for me to understand them). TH certainly includes a reference to a black linen lining in 16thC Nuremberg, and the book includes a ton of excellent fabric terminology stuff, such as: 'Gugler' is a term for a type of linen used in clothing that could be sold either unfinished or dyed. A linen version of taffeta was available in 1582, as seen in a 1582 inventory of a newcastle merchant: "viii yards lennen taffety 12/." Damasks and velvets intended to imitate more expensive fabrics were also made with linen, and therefore would have almost certainly been dyed. TH (or possibly 'Das Nuernberger Kunstbuch,' below--unclear notes again) also has recipes for dyeing linen red, green, yellow, and brown. 'Das Nuernberger Kunstbuch,' 2nd half of 15th C, has another recipe for dyed linen, but I don't have a word for word translation of it--the key phrase at the end of the recipe is "vnd du mach leines oder wulleins also verben" which, not word for word, means "this is how you dye linen or wool." The Vision of Piers Plowman, passus 1 (B-text, written c 1376), mentions linen clothing: "1.003: A lovely lady of leere in lynnen yclothed" but of course there could be symbolic reasons for that one. According to someone who's read them (not me) the Rules of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem specify a habit of black linen for Hospitaller nuns in Jerusalem in the 12thC. >From natural dyers in general: Linen takes tannin-based dyes well, but not ones that require another mordant. So, colors achievable with tannin-based dyes, such as yellows, browns, and almost-blacks, would all be reasonable colors. > I once heard a scholar refer to legal restrictions on linen dyers in > medieval Germany (something like not being allowed to dump their dyebaths > in the local river), but I'd like to get a better citation before I take > on faith that this wasn't a misreading of a restriction that mentioned > both linen processors and dyers in the same ordinance, since both > procedures do nasty things to water supplies. Textiler Hausrat would be a good place to check for this, if you can find a helpful translator. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 18:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2NBsAF028074 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB2NBHVV060056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2NBFrs056988; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB2NBAGO056932 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EiK3Z-000DZa-6r for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:11:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:09:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> <002901c5f77e$b58ec5e0$0cb00040@PYC64> <37ee9e000512021238n464eb5d4p@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000512021238n464eb5d4p@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If the fabric is reasonably tight woven, and your seam allowances are not too narrow, it should be OK. When you wash it, it will fray a tiny bit, but it will also felt a bit to stick the frayed bits together. Of course, you don't wash it every week (I remember trying to explain to a colleague of my husband's that you don't wash wool jumpers every time you wear them!) but it will survive washing often enough not to be smelly. Jean Caroline wrote >Betsy - you have described my normal method of heming here. Visibility on >the front is not necessarily undesirable - it certanly looks like some of >the medieval stiches were both functional and decorative. I think I may go >for a sewing the seams down with running stich. > >My only worry is that this will still allow the fabric to fray. I suppose >if the tunic is never washed................. authentic but possibly a bit >smelly. > > > >On 02/12/05, Betsy Marshall wrote: >> >> This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped >> like a "Z"- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but >> parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching >> only >> 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to >> the >> fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread >> tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. >> HTH Betsy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Caroline >> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool >> >> I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen >> tunic >> for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the >> bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems >> before >> (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month >> doing >> run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the >> woolly one also by hand. >> >> I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems >> to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam >> allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on >> the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich >> might >> leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. >> >> Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I >> don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would >> probably >> be rather bulky. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > >-- >Caroline >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:12:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30CpSZ029339 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:12:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30C0iN067435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30BuUb098211; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30Bpjv098095 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1eb.477a1c88 (4328) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.477a1c88.30c23cbf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:11:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 3:33:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penhalion@juno.com writes: The most recent Signals catalog has both a large and small version of the lamp for sale. Let's hear it for kitch..... The movie is based on a number of Jean Shephard's essays, which I read years before the movie came out, including the one about the lamp. I recommend them to all. Some are from later in life, including his prom experiences, "Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories." Several years ago, I was in Charlotte, and read an article about a flea market there. One of the stands specialized in mannequins, and a featured customer was looking for a leg to turn into a lamp! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30E9WM029364 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:14:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30DglC067711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30DeiZ099419; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30Da73099305 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.64aef4b6 (4328) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <66.64aef4b6.30c23d25@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:13:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 3:08:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: as I > recall the dad orders a lamp made from a life-sized female manikin leg > complete with spiked heeled shoe and fish-net stockings! No, he didn't order the lamp. It was a "major award" in a contest--evidently sponsored by Nehi Orange Soda (get it!) And that is why he was so proud of it, because it was a "major award." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30H1YV029421 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:17:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30FC7q068152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30FBsn000725; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30F8JL000642 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.299.e62802 (4328) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <299.e62802.30c23d80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:14:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes pins??? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com There was a small exhibit at the National Museum of American History a few years ago about the history of clothes pins. Wish I remembered more details, but I seem to recall they date to the mid-19th century, because I was doing early 19th century laundry at the time and they would not have been appropriate. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30rOWb029895 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:53:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30qsWr072091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30qrbb021588; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30qnqR021511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32S3XK025933 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:28:03 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:55:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512021955.43575.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Friday 02 December 2005 12:54 am, otsisto wrote: > I found some material that comes close in pattern but not in color to the > Bianca Anguissola portrait in a yellow dress. > The color is a shot(?) blue and dull mustard material. The lines of the > plaid are blue and the background is a blend of the two colors > > http://www.nelepets.com/art/artists/a/Anguissola-c-09.htm > > I was wondering, if you were going to make an outfit based on this > portrait, what color would you have the embroidery on the camicia? I'd go with gold--good quality metallic thread, if I could afford it; so-called gold-color silk if I could not. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 19:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB30xPEB029982 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:59:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB30x9DZ072631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30x8DY024822; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB30x3vv024734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32YKeE026106 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:34:20 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:02:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Friday 02 December 2005 9:28 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: [snip] > --Sue, looking forward to an unexpectedly quiet weekend--perfect for sewing > on her new outfit (10th century Norse...decided to do it by hand ;o) Oooh. When you finish it, will you put it on the Web somewhere, so that we can admire it? -- Cathy "lonely Viking" Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:01:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB311Ens030009 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:01:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3110a7072806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3110sf025826; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB310ukd025741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32aCVO026164 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:12 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:03:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C431@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512022003.53112.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Friday 02 December 2005 2:55 pm, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: [snip] > 2) The whip stitch just fades into the fabric if you don't take big > stitches though the outside layer. I use the whip stitch for my hems 'cause > of this. If you want unobtrusive, this is actually a good one. I agree with Sunny. I've been using whipstitch on wools of various thicknesses, and it's pretty unobtrusive except, perhaps, on very very fine cloth--especially if you're using silk thread. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:12:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31C0JT030201 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31BHwZ074143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31BFA6031392; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31BBER031292 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.19f.41bda0da (3874) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.41bda0da.30c24aa4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:00 EST Subject: [h-cost] waxed canvas To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com have you tried contacting a company like Barbour in South Tyneside (UK - north east)? they do tins of the stuff, and should be able to let you know of a supplier where you could get some. (By the way, if anybody's ever near there, they have a fantastic factory shop, with huge discounts.) (which reminds me my Barbour needs re-waxing before next year - oh joy) Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:23:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31NbGL030440 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31M7Ra075073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31M5jA036902; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31M062036794 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.22e.3201156 (3874) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <22e.3201156.30c24d2f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:21:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Christmas - I'm a complete sucker for just about all of them, but White Christmas, (I fell in love with the red 'santa' dresses that Rosemary Clooney and Vera Ellen wear at the end when I was about three), Wonderful Life, and Miracle on 34th Street. And films that aren't strictly Christmas films, but that I associate with Christmas - Meet Me in St Louis, and The Shop Around the Corner. (Can you tell I do old Hollywood?) And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:26:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31QitM030494 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31QRmZ075531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31QPLQ039227; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31QLjt039153 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d9.32dc547a (58435) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:26:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie--OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/2/2005 8:22:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: Meet Me in St Louis, Ah, yes, because of the song "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." Anyone else notice that they re-wrote the lyrics to this song in the 1960s, so it was no longer bittersweet, but just a happy little ditty, that doesn't even make any sense? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:44:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31iZ1X030712 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:44:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31iGAV077192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31iE4u049046; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31iAZQ049019 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:44:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=V8OeyrcHw/Mq5p9ka1sPqKPDz+QigmiVq3b7T4+nnvBpVbIuz6Ac6iFz2YwzJPqj; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.13] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiMRd-00046y-Fi for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00ed01c5f7ab$0c7c05d0$0d399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22e.3201156.30c24d2f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b86168bb0d7c858c27316bb18ce8c8eb5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.13 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Debs wrote: > And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the > Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. I think you're referring to "Fairy Tale: A True Story". -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 20:59:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB31xeD1030881 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB31xLm7078559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31xJob056388; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB31xFLi056329 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241043D082 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:59:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4390FC10.8060601@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:59:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I was surfing http://movies.yahoo.com and noticed a few trailers for upcoming movies. _Pirates of the Caribbean 2_, of course. _Bloodrayne_, a fantasy vampire hunter movie, _Casanova_ 18th century Venice? Costumes look good, but it's not my period. _Memoirs of a Geisha_, visually appealing though it doesn't sound like the book I read. _The New World_, the Pocahantas movie. _The White Countess_ set in Shanghai in 1936, looks like a dramatic romance. All the trailers are up for viewing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 21:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB32T3x6031158 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32RTAl081353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32ROjp069126; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32RJHd069060 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m243.in-tch.com [216.166.191.243]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB32Jik27851 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:19:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c5f74c$a16122c0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:34:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com That would be fun, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, I don't have a website. Some day, maybe.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] need some input > On Friday 02 December 2005 9:28 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > [snip] > > --Sue, looking forward to an unexpectedly quiet weekend--perfect for sewing > > on her new outfit (10th century Norse...decided to do it by hand ;o) > > Oooh. When you finish it, will you put it on the Web somewhere, so that we > can admire it? > > > -- > Cathy "lonely Viking" Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 21:46:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB32kN7B031299 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32k5Xg083460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32k4SP078555; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:46:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32k0Qv078521 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IUW/S4n1I1yeGJ+3MzEmC4qiZysT2q8gT1vuSDHzSOD3HxUSUqaSeZvrbiy9Kuiw; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.124] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiNPT-0002dq-7T for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:45:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002401c5f74d$fdbea780$83bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <23b.2aed3c8.30c167ea@aol.com> <002401c5f74d$fdbea780$83bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FEEC43F-6AC6-4608-B9A5-99F6BE5E8AD1@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:59:58 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff687f6f8a99148231a022c4ba24db2dad5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.124 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the perennial colored linen topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Dec 2, 2005, at 6:37 AM, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think the thing is, with the dyed linens, that there's not a lot > out there > supporting the existence of *dyed* *linens.* Dyed fabrics, yes, > but not > linens. Linens, yes, but not dyed. ;o) At least, not in the part > of the > world/time most often explored in the SCA. Really don't know much > about the > uses of colored linens after the introduction of coal-based dyes. > (19th > century, right?) > That said, though, a lot of enthusiasts in my crowd use it as a > reasonable > alternative to wools for summer garb. Wool can be really hard for > us to > find at all (weird, considering the winter climate here), let alone in > summer-appropriate weights, as we get temps unheardof in England or > Ireland > or some parts of Continental Europe. So linen shows up used for > cottes or > gowns or jackets or tunics or.... It's a recurring discussion, and it always ends up being important to distinguish between linen as a "fashion fabric" (i.e., an external intended-to-be-visible layer) and the question of "any colored linen at all". The two examples I find easiest to cite of colored linen in the later medieval period are a pinkish (sort of salmon-colored) linen lining used in some (or perhaps all) of the well-known Vestments of the Order of the Golden Fleece and a dark greyish-black linen used for the lining of the "satin coat of Charles the Bold". These examples speak to the technological question of whether dyed linens were available in certain parts of the medieval period, but they don't speak to the plausibility of using colored linen as a substitute for colored wool as a fashion fabric (which is what many people are looking for support for). Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 21:49:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB32ng0K031336 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:49:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB32nMLc083828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB32nNld080070; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB32m1SC079423 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66423 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2005 02:47:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lh6Iem5Ke3vHrQxdmXQhMGiZ2JQQY3EU5VJh/fvMbODsm0UoLa6d1MEofoXZnLBccP37iURD+/kPqvgegq+xnDfsakdFoCacOmktLQYjnO7pJ/o7w+EineDxb1aBAPXkmTeJka5tHUU9d+9mdH3spu/YZUDYGGc4FtXvv+4GVbs= ; Message-ID: <20051203024754.66421.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.251.89.14] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:47:54 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512021903.jB2J0UFG057249@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clothes pins??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Here are some pics of 18th c. clothespins. Not sure how much earlier they go back, but these are surely the predecessor of the Shaker clothespin. http://www.marariley.net/laundry/ Also, it was fairly common to spread linen out to dry on bushes and stretches of lawn. -- Mara --------------------- http://www.knittingobsession.com - modern knitting stuff http://www.knittingobsession.blogspot.com http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 22:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB330sOs031465 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB330bp7085348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB330YQK085859; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB330WUL085791 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:00:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81296 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2005 03:00:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BD8StYtvonaUeLhVeQKzHpLWRVWWX3SZ7viLM6ojjamz3vUMeDBorChtBJwgjI/ZFBQU8/voBCTjq50EHke8ctWaXCl7nVqAAwaEgvj/0GsQfj1A/lYkVrimpa1fdYWfLlf0bxSmeDd76Hzrh2pJNd7kUdB3IUPFC8wK9Tv+/pk= ; Message-ID: <20051203030023.81294.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.251.89.14] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:00:23 PST Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512022017.jB2KEYD2017130@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com We've had some arguments on the 18cWoman list about dyed linen. There is definitely evidence for dyed linen being used for gowns, breeches, jackets, etc. in the 18th c., and these would obviously have been dyed with natural dyes. As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the wall (chimney?) of a house. http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html -- Mara --------------------- http://www.knittingobsession.com - modern knitting stuff http://www.knittingobsession.blogspot.com http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 23:36:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB34asVw032633 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB34aGo8095611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34aDh8029703; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34a8xC029616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB36BPo0032429 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:11:25 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Place to Post Pictures of Your Norse Garb (was [h-cost] need some input) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:39:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Friday 02 December 2005 9:34 pm, you wrote: > That would be fun, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, I don't have a website. > Some day, maybe.... There's another costume-related list I'm on called MedCos; it covers the entire SCA period. It has a website you can access the list through and photo galleries for posting photos of members' garb projects. The site is at: http://slumberland.org/moodle/login/index.php You can just look at the site as a guest but to post you need to register (it's free). I'm the sub-moderator of the Early Period section of the site, and I would be delighted to have more members who are interested in Early Period topics (there's a preponderance of people into 14th-16th century). If you were to join MedCos, I could post pictures of your garb in the Early Period Gallery. :-) There's also a forum called "Show Us Your Stuff!" where people can post a picture of almost any historic garb for comments, constructive (we mean it!) criticism, and related discussion. Come check us out! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 2 23:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB34fpjG032692 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB34eRJu096188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34eRqi031706; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB34eNBq031666 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XBseuXZ5fwvPnDlyXVgL3i2vmWOHjz1leS6NG1Cdr4zfPZRhw2/7W98i7qvAWtmz; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.124] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiPCA-0007zo-PF for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:40:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1BABB6E6-7720-409E-B28C-E943BD785ACF@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:40:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff6803f9842ff69e665a5643d3b29131c557350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.124 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Caroline wrote: > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century > woollen tunic > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and > do the > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn > hems before > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a > month doing > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > woolly one also by hand. > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > option seems > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel > lines on > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip > stich might > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > tried. I > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would > probably > be rather bulky. I'm not sure if this will work with the sewing you've already done, but when I was researching my article on seam types found on surviving textiles by far the "standard" wool seam treatment from the iron age through the medieval period seems to have been a fell-type seam. Often these seem to have been designed so that there was never more than three layers of fabric at any one point. But the diagrams at the article may give you some other inspirations. If the wool is fairly springy or has much of a nap, I wouldn't expect the stitches to show unless they're fairly big. On the other hand, you could always treat any visible stitching as a deliberate design element! Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 00:03:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB353VUe000453 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:03:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB352uEi099167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB352sem041471; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB352o5u041444 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:02:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 2305 invoked by uid 16115); 3 Dec 2005 05:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.129.59]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Dec 2005 05:02:49 -0000 Message-ID: <439125AF.2090204@misc.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:57:19 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie References: <000001c5f753$fd5f3ab0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My favorite holiday movie: Nightmare Before Christmas...Sally's patchwork dress is just so perfect for those days you can't decide what color to wear. She's got a cute feisty character, too! Theresa kim baird wrote: > It's called Three Wishes For Cinderella (Tri Orísky pro Popelku), made > in Czechoslovakia in 1973. You can get it from Amazon.com > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:43 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie > > > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 > > magic nuts?' > This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes > in > it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern > europe > fashions two. > Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when > she > goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that > it > wasnt a fashion made that way. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 00:38:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB35cNGq000860 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB35bduW001954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35bZfv056456; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35bUFX056363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB37ClaX001827 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:12:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:40:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Friday 02 December 2005 3:55 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] > Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval Western Europe > -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC -- and I > want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen dyeing > done in this period. But I don't think it's safe to assume from that that > the linen was frequently dyed, and that dyed linen was typically used for > the visible layers of clothing, which is what my focus was in my > earlier post. I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle Ages. However, in an essay published in "Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe" Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic analysis of grave finds at Birka, which indicated that some of the linen fragments found did not come from a shift (i.e. underwear) but from a "caftan" or "mantle"--an outer garment. In a different essay (of which I've read reports but do not have a copy) she has posited that some of the outerwear layer linen fragments belonged to the so-called "apron dress". To my knowledge, however, the Birka linen fragments have not been exposed to the sort of analysis that would enable a determination of whether they had been dyed or not. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 00:50:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB35okPH001004 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:50:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB35oTSw003022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35oR1q061959; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB35oOlC061936 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([141.152.140.47]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IQW00M31QVU8FE3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:50:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:48:39 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <01cd01c5f7cd$35fff390$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Of course Linen is not as durable in an extant situation as is wool. Ron Carnegie > > I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle Ages. > However, in an essay published in "Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe" > Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic analysis of grave finds > at Birka, which indicated that some of the linen fragments found did not > come from a shift (i.e. underwear) but from a "caftan" or "mantle"--an > outer garment. In a different essay (of which I've read reports but do > not have a copy) she has posited that some of the outerwear layer linen > fragments belonged to the so-called "apron dress". To my knowledge, > however, the Birka linen fragments have not been exposed to the sort of > analysis that would enable a determination of whether they had been dyed > or not. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 01:56:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB36unhM001725 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB36uErp007502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB36u9Wj089671; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:56:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB36u32x089637 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S0yPBz1gJcNU8zy57YH1G2klwCKuW0TT1ZWBKpgJPQxnYPhJR97R1Xmv3je24NcN; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.124] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiRJS-0007Jh-Mg for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:56:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:56:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786da3a8623eb9ff6868695bc439088013338cb654856c53cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.124 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Friday 02 December 2005 3:55 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > [snip] > >> Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval >> Western Europe >> -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC >> -- and I >> want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen >> dyeing >> done in this period. But I don't think it's safe to assume from >> that that >> the linen was frequently dyed, and that dyed linen was typically >> used for >> the visible layers of clothing, which is what my focus was in my >> earlier post. >> > > I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle > Ages. However, in an essay published in "Cloth and Clothing in > Medieval Europe" Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic > analysis of grave finds at Birka, which indicated that some of the > linen fragments found did not come from a shift (i.e. underwear) > but from a "caftan" or "mantle"--an outer garment. In a different > essay (of which I've read reports but do not have a copy) she has > posited that some of the outerwear layer linen fragments belonged > to the so-called "apron dress". To my knowledge, however, the > Birka linen fragments have not been exposed to the sort of analysis > that would enable a determination of whether they had been dyed or > not. It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current standard English term is for the not-an-apron dress.) Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 03:57:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB38vlU1019150 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:57:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB38u3tC016323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB38tuKo041974; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB38tnNq041913 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4850 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 08:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 08:55:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203085202.01d88cc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:55:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments In-Reply-To: <20051203030023.81294.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200512022017.jB2KEYD2017130@net.indra.com> <20051203030023.81294.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 03:00 03/12/2005, you wrote: >We've had some arguments on the 18cWoman list about dyed linen. >There is definitely evidence for dyed linen being used for gowns, >breeches, jackets, etc. in the 18th c., and these would obviously >have been dyed with natural dyes. > >As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- >well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the >wall (chimney?) of a house. >http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html > >-- Mara Surely there is no problem with linen outer garments in the 17th century? On Thursday I was at the Museum of London again, where I was able to look at a linen bodice embroidered with blackwork, and previously I studied another, earlier bodice, also embroidered linen, from about 1610 - 20 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 04:22:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB39MHFY024143 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 04:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB39LkVM017770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB39LioU051426; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB39LBxl051199 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so747461nzi for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:21:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hsGSAelkg2AEon6jMVaa6rzG4whjEuF0Wn4ktBNDjzWwK8P/TUpy2rIU1jPwI6B6WPrN16SYQGAERZEbsshtTIyHrQlqGzIbEvQ17oYB5gYriNzjx+noHNNZ64JVO6xChvI/qOwVyZNQsbBtAlZhpJVrNJyJ00HlCJp0Lpe3aFU= Received: by 10.65.237.13 with SMTP id o13mr1883377qbr; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:21:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000512030121n45f61b17j@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:21:11 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool In-Reply-To: <1BABB6E6-7720-409E-B28C-E943BD785ACF@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37ee9e000512020939l78bf8967n@mail.gmail.com> <1BABB6E6-7720-409E-B28C-E943BD785ACF@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB39MHFY024143 Thank you Heather - your figures 9 to 12 and 19 through to 21 are most useful. Your figure 14 is essentially what I have done with the linen tunic - but it would be too bulky on the wool I have. I may use number 10 - it looks like the running stich is designed to be seen from the face as Sunny said in an earlier post. Jean I'd forgotton about the felting aspects - you are right we should wash wool only sparingly. Having said that I have a woollen cloak I only ever air and brush becaus it is simply too big to wash. On 03/12/05, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Caroline wrote: > > > I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century > > woollen tunic > > for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and > > do the > > bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn > > hems before > > (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a > > month doing > > run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the > > woolly one also by hand. > > > > I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main > > option seems > > to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam > > allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel > > lines on > > the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip > > stich might > > leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. > > > > Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have > > tried. I > > don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would > > probably > > be rather bulky. > > I'm not sure if this will work with the sewing you've already done, > but when I was researching my article on seam types found on > surviving textiles archaeologicalsewing/index.html> by far the "standard" wool seam > treatment from the iron age through the medieval period seems to have > been a fell-type seam. Often these seem to have been designed so > that there was never more than three layers of fabric at any one > point. But the diagrams at the article may give you some other > inspirations. > > If the wool is fairly springy or has much of a nap, I wouldn't expect > the stitches to show unless they're fairly big. On the other hand, > you could always treat any visible stitching as a deliberate design > element! > > Heather > > -- > Heather Rose Jones > heather.jones@earthlink.net > http://www.heatherrosejones.com > LJ:hrj > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 08:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3D2uAt005029 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3D1pxe050499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3D1i2E042326; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3D1c7x042287 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ed.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.237]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 173F026280A for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:01:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5f809$b1597070$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:01:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tissue paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that..... Bjarne who now are going to watch swedish television, they have a series of 17th century kingdom, where poor and rich chanllenges eachother. Rich has bathtubs, poor dont even have soap to wash.......... Costumes are ok, but only one of the rich ladies gown fits propperly. It is so difficult to dress a lady in a rented dress with a low cut boatshape bust if it doesnt fit....... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 08:28:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3DSqHx005460 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:28:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3DRx2X054707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DRuWQ053175; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DRrgI053145 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5817C831 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:27:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-121-245.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-121-245.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.121.245]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:27:51 +1100 Message-ID: <1133616471.43919d57ab15a@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:27:51 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Place to Post Pictures of Your Norse Garb (was [h-cost] need some input) References: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Jeeze, I gotta start reading more goodly...at first I thought it said Nose Garb... -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 08:50:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3DobVM005964 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3Dnk24056242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DniDX063278; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DnfEr063206 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:49:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.265.15eb1ca (4254) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <265.15eb1ca.30c2fc6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:49:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:02:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that Tissue paper is the thin paper used for wrapping gifts. I would think calico (what we Americans call muslin) would work just as well, if not better. Tissue paper isn't very sturdy and might tear before you were done with your work. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 09:14:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3EEfFX006589 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3EEB71058286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3EE8lK074133; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB3EE3DG074066 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 85565 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 14:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 14:13:58 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203141012.01d86548@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:14:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper In-Reply-To: <265.15eb1ca.30c2fc6a@aol.com> References: <265.15eb1ca.30c2fc6a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 13:49 03/12/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:02:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > >Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, >cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. >Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that > > >Tissue paper is the thin paper used for wrapping gifts. I would think >calico (what we Americans call muslin) would work just as well, if >not better. >Tissue paper isn't very sturdy and might tear before you were done with your >work. > You could also use plain cotton bias binding, as this is also less likely to tear than tissue. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 11:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3GXDpY010437 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3GWX66070632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3GWTaK038688; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3GWPD5038630 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.252.28ff90e (17228) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <252.28ff90e.30c3228f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:32:15 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 772 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com "Ah, yes, because of the song "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." Anyone else notice that they re-wrote the lyrics to this song in the 1960s, so it was no longer bittersweet, but just a happy little ditty, that doesn't even make any sense?" My Nana (who brought me up) always used to watch it Christmas - and yes I had noticed they rewrote the lyrics - irritates me every time I hear the new version > "I think you're referring to "Fairy Tale: A True Story"." Yep - that's the one - thanks (I swear, I'd forget my head if it wasn't screwed on :o) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 12:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3HB1q2011644 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3H9Nkn074502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3H9LAG057549; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3H9Hvq057500 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28968 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:35:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:35:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203085202.01d88cc8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > >As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- > >well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the > >wall (chimney?) of a house. > >http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html > > > >-- Mara > > Surely there is no problem with linen outer garments in the 17th > century? On Thursday I was at the Museum of London again, where I was > able to look at a linen bodice embroidered with blackwork, and > previously I studied another, earlier bodice, also embroidered linen, > from about 1610 - 20 I don't think anyone has questioned the existence of linen outer garments from the 16th c. on. The only issue I'm aware of (and the one I summarized in response to the initial query) is whether colored linen was routinely used for the outer, visible layers of fashionable gowns in medieval Western Europe. However, whenever this subject comes up, there's a tendency for the thread to mutate to the point that some read the statement as somehow applying to (a) other times, (b) other places, (c) other garments, (d) the use of linen at all, or (e) the dyeing of linen for any purpose -- none of which should be at issue. Honest, folks, I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't asked me directly why I wasn't intending to use my stash of brightly dyed linen for medieval clothing -- a very specific question and a very specific answer. And I'm still wondering when the strongly-dyed stuff would have become available and fashionable! I'm thinking that I'd better use the cranberry-colored length for a modern dress... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 14:21:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3JLVkt018098 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:21:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3JKucB085299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JKndD024076; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:20:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JKkRM024055 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id F33451BCB55; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:20:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.7.124.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.7.124]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 423D11BCAF9 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:19:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:10:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > Honest, folks, I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't asked me > directly why I wasn't intending to use my stash of brightly dyed linen for > medieval clothing -- a very specific question and a very specific answer. At least for me, the reason I responded with the info I gave was that, to me, this question implies that you see dyed linen as useless for _any_ part of medieval clothing, rather than just for outer layer stuff. If you remove the fabric from your stash, then you can't use it for the reasonably-documentable non-outer-layer uses. I hate to see anyone give up fabric that they could be using! -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 14:44:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3JiS3b018960 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:44:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3Ji3K4088057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JhvSN036247; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3Jhs17035966 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyro@comcast.net) Received: from lightfoot (pcp04615791pcs.gambrl01.md.comcast.net[68.50.121.37]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005120319431301200lm8t2e>; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:43:13 +0000 Message-ID: <07d701c5f827$aa971c10$0400a8c0@lightfoot> From: "Lady Ro" To: References: <200512031900.jB3J07OM013412@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:36:09 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Name the garment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The part over her shoulders is a mantle, and it looks as though she attached it to what I know as a beguine. scroll down you will see some nice hoods here: http://www.medievaldesign.com/cappellieng.html here are some similar to what she is wearing: http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/mediator.exe?L=08100029&I=1&F=C HTH Ro Bright Hills, Atlantia I know in my heart that man is good, that what is right will alway eventually triumph and there is a purpose and worth to each and every life. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 14:55:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3JtkPG019370 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3JtLiS089316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JtEEA041998; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JtA5A041938 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB3Jt6F9003408 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:55:06 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:44:25 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512031900.jB3J07OM013412@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: christmas movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My favorite is "Miracle on 34th Street," although this year I am revisiting my childhood and watching all my favorite holiday specials with my children, who are really enjoying them. Last night was "Santa Claus is Coming to Town." Earlier this week it was "Rudolf." And coming up are "Frosty," "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and "How the Grinch Stole Christmas." No costume content here. My daughter is begging me to buy her "White Christmas," which I've never seen. Gail Finke PS: I remember the first time I saw "Meet Me In St. Louis." I was so shocked by the Christmas song -- it was so sad!!! I can't hear it without thinking of the movie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 15:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3K0Lur019571 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:00:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3JxYH3089703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JxYwG044250; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3JxQL6044127 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30369 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:58 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments In-Reply-To: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, E House wrote: > At least for me, the reason I responded with the info I gave was that, > to me, this question implies that you see dyed linen as useless for > _any_ part of medieval clothing, rather than just for outer layer > stuff. If you remove the fabric from your stash, then you can't use > it for the reasonably-documentable non-outer-layer uses. I hate to > see anyone give up fabric that they could be using! Don't worry -- it's only the bright/deep colors I'm not inclined to use. I have a variety of blues, pinks, and peaches, all of which I would use for linings. In any case, the dyeing references you gave were nearly all 16th c., when there does seem to be a lot more use of linen as the visible layers, and thus presumably more inclination to dye it, though there's still the question of intensity and hue. The one that wasn't 16th c. was Italian, again a different culture than what I was talking about. All these are of interest in the general study of linen, certainly, but not much use for my own needs in this case. So, back to the assumption of a limited color palette for any dyed linen that was used in medieval garments. The colors you mentioned earlier (sky blue, brown, off-black), the blue lining in the Golden Gown, and the ones in the extant garments Heather points to (salmon, off-black) are consistent with that assumption. Which leaves me with 8-10 yards or so of screaming red linen, the same of forest green, three yards or so of cranberry... The black I will probably keep and try to wash/bleach down into something more greyish, which probably is not something I could buy. The cranberry might make a modern dress, or a suit... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 17:12:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3MCVcc029737 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3MAuIh000995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3MAsXW011875; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3MAomF011788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NkA2f008335 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:46:11 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:13:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com> <74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Saturday 03 December 2005 1:56 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] > It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the > possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or > hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current > standard English term is for the not-an-apron dress.) You're right, they don't rule out that possibility. Though Hagg's analysis of some of the finds suggest that at least some caftans were lined with silk--a detail I've always found hard to accept in light of the evidence that silk was rare enough to be used for trim. I'm not sure there is a standard English term for the "hanging dress". Most SCA types now call it an "apron dress", for want of a better term. Some people borrow the modern Scandanavian terms "hangerrock" (sorry, I can't put in the proper diacritical marks) or "traggerock." -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:16:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NGh4o006887 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:16:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NG7NH006595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NG2PM046990; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3ANsC4076730 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ed.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.237]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D5DEC262830 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:23:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004701c5f7f3$b3110d80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4390FC10.8060601@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:24:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I am looking forwards to see Casanova, because its ben two long that we had an 18th century film last. This photo shows a bad pair of stays. I can se that it is not propperly boned, and why is it they almost always dont bone the tabs probberly............. http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808665919&cf=pg&photoid=592785&intl=us There was also a film i liked called The company of the Warewolf, or something like that. French but two bloody and two much fighting in it. Costumes are very nice though. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume movies >I was surfing http://movies.yahoo.com and noticed a few trailers for >upcoming movies. _Pirates of the Caribbean 2_, of course. _Bloodrayne_, a >fantasy vampire hunter movie, _Casanova_ 18th century Venice? Costumes >look good, but it's not my period. _Memoirs of a Geisha_, visually >appealing though it doesn't sound like the book I read. _The New World_, >the Pocahantas movie. _The White Countess_ set in Shanghai in 1936, looks >like a dramatic romance. > > All the trailers are up for viewing. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHKoY006908 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NGfKu006639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NGeJM047323; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB3Bn3cG012819 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 04:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86602 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 11:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 11:48:57 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203114122.01d25690@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:48:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> <20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London re Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com To all who were interested. The Museum of London allows photography in certain galleries, but not, of course, in the Medieval Gallery, which is what I had asked about. I "might" have been able to sneak a couple, but as I am a regular, I don't want to cause waves, and get told I cannot see stuff when I want to. So, I have a very bad drawing done of the stocking foot - bad as I don't understand what I was drawing - I don't knit stockings any more and have forgot all I knew. Anyone who wants a copy, please mail me off list, and I will scan and send. Incidentally, because of the angle of the cases when I tried to get an idea of size of the mitten, I could only get an approximation. It is roughly 4.5" from top to bottom, the vest is roughly 16" from shoulder to hem. Would you believe I forgot to measure the stocking foot? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHcBv006921 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NH6jG006684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NH4v8047532; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3DDRuX047241 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 830154736 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:13:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] name that garment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I have no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples and/or patterns. thanks! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHmTL006932 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NHRmt006752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NHRbO047820; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3FdBma013934 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:36:03 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] tissue paper Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:39:05 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004201c5f81f$b1476d10$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051203141012.01d86548@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX4E/NOu6/DW5GmRBG/CQnOb0nk0gAC4EOw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2005 15:36:03.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[4519A3B0:01C5F81F] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Or perhaps the cotton/medical tape? (Using a Spiral wrap) Might leave adhesive on your good hoop, though. Still better than masking tape... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper At 13:49 03/12/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:02:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > >Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, >cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. >Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that > > >Tissue paper is the thin paper used for wrapping gifts. I would think >calico (what we Americans call muslin) would work just as well, if >not better. >Tissue paper isn't very sturdy and might tear before you were done with your >work. > You could also use plain cotton bias binding, as this is also less likely to tear than tissue. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NHxdP006939 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NHbih006782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NHbT2047911; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3GcLm9041289 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.249.2cb7880 (4254) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <249.2cb7880.30c323f3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:38:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 772 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/3/2005 11:33:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: and yes I had noticed they rewrote the lyrics - irritates me every time I hear the new version Went hunting last night and was reminded that James Taylor's 2001 version is almost the original lyrics. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 18:18:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB3NI6Fu006945 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB3NHfaB006803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3NHfI3047959; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB3Gi02v043851 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.be.355ad078 (17228) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:43:54 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:43:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/3/05 1:05:25 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". > Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? > Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, > cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. No, it's not kitchen paper - it's the stuff that expensive clothes, and breakable things (china, etc) are wrapped in when you buy them (in the UK at least). Picture here: http://www.morplan.com/ProductDisplay/Acid%20Free%20Tissue/84320/16251/656590 The reason to use tissue is that you can use a sheet and treat it as one with the fabric when putting it in the hoop, then tear away the middle bit, so that the work area is uncovered but the edges are still protected. But as long as you were careful when cutting away the middle bit, I don't see why you couldn't use calico. Or even kitchen paper for that matter. The main thing is to have something reasonably soft to stop the hoop making marks on the fabric, (which it does because the tightness of the grip). Also, if you're not using a stand, if you leave a bit of the protective material overlapping the edge where you're holding the frame it'll help to reduce the dirt from your fingers that gets onto the work, thereby meaning less cleaning when you're finished of course. Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 19:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB401ndA008787 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:01:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB401ME3010514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB401L1k069843; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB401IHL069789 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id A6406A0C39; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.1.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.1.3]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5509BA091F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <008201c5f865$d687b350$8d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:01:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com There is also that mid-15thC Nuernberg Kunstbuch dye recipe, which does get a bit closer to your culture of interest. But yeah, the screaming red linen and the other might not work so great, it sounds like. I did find one or two references to accessories (like that purse) of red linen, and household hangings in bright colors of linen, but it seems like brightly dyed linen would have been reserved for something that wouldn't need washing or wouldn't be capable of bleeding onto more delicate fabrics. I also got the impression, though certainly no solid proof of this theory, that the brightly dyed household linens would have been linen imitations of more expensive forms of fabric like damask, rather than the simple plain-weave stuff we generally have on hand. And to slightly change the topic, I'm now very interested in this: Black, waxed full linen lining of a Burgundian man's coat (mid 15thc), Textile Conservation. Flury-Lemberg, Mechthild. Schriften Der Abegg-Stiftung, Bern, 1988. pp. 156-157. especially given the recent discussion on here about refreshing the wax coating on something. Does anyone have any insights on this? Any indication of how common it might have been to wax a lining? It does seem like a reasonable precaution for a coat, now that I think about it, but I'm curious as to how common it was (whether done with black linen or with any other fabric). I'm also curious as to how they would have actually done the waxing! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:03:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB413pCa016841 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:03:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB413Ens015738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4138t4098874; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB412Wdx098619 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB40stk28176 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:54:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000e01c5f86f$58d77260$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:09:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Cranberry colored linen would go very well for a modern dress for you, given your coloring , but if you just can't bring yourself to do it, feel free to send it to me! I would imagine that you'd have to coordinate several different tracks of thought--increased use of linen as outer garments, cross-referenced with times when strong, bright colors were fashionable, and then further refine it by the colors you own. I've got a whole bolt of pin-striped linen (black with narrow, white stripe) that I'm going to make into some sort of modern outfit some day. Just couldn't resist buying it, even though I had no (SCA) use for it. Ditto the bolt of linen with the mustard/gold background and 18th centuryish print on it that I got cheap. Might be okay for some 18th century stuff, but I don't *do* the 18th century! (lol!) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments > > And I'm still wondering when the strongly-dyed stuff would have become > available and fashionable! I'm thinking that I'd better use the > cranberry-colored length for a modern dress... > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:15:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB41FwEa018876 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:15:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB41FGNI016855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41FFCW004445; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41FBNg004400 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m121.in-tch.com [216.166.191.121]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB417Vk00491 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:07:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512030040.28057.cathy@thyrsus.com><74EBAF7F-F718-4C1A-951A-AB3777E74938@earthlink.net> <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:21:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here are either "apron gown" or "apron dress." "Apron gown" more commonly. Interesting, isn't it? how some words transfer into English (like "naalbinding"), and others do not.... --Maire, off to knit a shawl and listen to the radio, while the snow comes down on the dark streets outside, and the cats sleep on the hearth rug..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) > On Saturday 03 December 2005 1:56 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > [snip] > > It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the > > possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or > > hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current > > standard English term is for the not-an-apron dress.) > > > You're right, they don't rule out that possibility. Though Hagg's analysis of > some of the finds suggest that at least some caftans were lined with silk--a > detail I've always found hard to accept in light of the evidence that silk > was rare enough to be used for trim. > > I'm not sure there is a standard English term for the "hanging dress". Most > SCA types now call it an "apron dress", for want of a better term. Some > people borrow the modern Scandanavian terms "hangerrock" (sorry, I can't put > in the proper diacritical marks) or "traggerock." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB41MV8S019214 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB41MFYQ017284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41MDCC007578; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41MAxp007548 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8AD491BCA64; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.195.101.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.195.101]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D6461BCAC8 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00ab01c5f871$076d6590$8d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1><20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051203114122.01d25690@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London re Photos Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:21:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I definitely wouldn't want you to sneak photos on my behalf! But thanks for letting us know about the neat stuff they have. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 20:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB41sY43024637 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:54:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB41sHZ7019955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41sFkx021908; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB41sB4a021846 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.d6.3322cbad (25711) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:54:04 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] previous messages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Just to say sorry, as I noticed when I got my last digest that I hadn't changed the titles - (sorry). See, like I said - head - screwed on! Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 21:23:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB42N8ij029414 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB42MUmu022090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB42MPwX034770; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB42MMFT034743 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=PDKGguyajrPjD9ADJ8wF2tvDjcgOfcslTl0JmCf8LzlMdA8jZk6cjbFNQR6d3IN3; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.27] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EijW8-0005xd-RZ for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <016d01c5f879$8c816a30$1b399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4390FC10.8060601@reddawn.net> <004701c5f7f3$b3110d80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bfaa6b7bd201ade6b229e406162a7089e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.27 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne wrote: > There was also a film i liked called The company of the Warewolf, or > something like that. French but two bloody and two much fighting in it. > Costumes are very nice though. If it was released only a couple of years ago, you probably mean "Le Pacte des Loups", released in the US as "Brotherhood of the Wolf". You're right about the blood and the fighting; it is, more or less, an 18th c martial arts movie. (But I like those...) And it did have some nice eye candy... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 22:32:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB43W5Bo032322 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB43VUvm027416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43VQE0069592; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43VLX3069499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB456hCH017613 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:06:43 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:34:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com> <004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512032234.23017.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Saturday 03 December 2005 8:21 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here > are either "apron gown" or "apron dress." "Apron gown" more commonly. I never heard "apron gown" before, though it makes as much sense as anything else. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 22:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB43aZg3032382 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:36:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB43a88Y027784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43a8wr072438; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB43a28i072381 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 28056367AA for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:36:02 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:36:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com -----Original Message----- I don't think anyone has questioned the existence of linen outer garments from the 16th c. on. The only issue I'm aware of (and the one I summarized in response to the initial query) is whether colored linen was routinely used for the outer, visible layers of fashionable gowns in medieval Western Europe. However, whenever this subject comes up, there's a tendency for the thread to mutate to the point that some read the statement as somehow applying to (a) other times, (b) other places, (c) other garments, (d) the use of linen at all, or (e) the dyeing of linen for any purpose -- none of which should be at issue. Honest, folks, I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't asked me directly why I wasn't intending to use my stash of brightly dyed linen for medieval clothing -- a very specific question and a very specific answer. And I'm still wondering when the strongly-dyed stuff would have become available and fashionable! I'm thinking that I'd better use the cranberry-colored length for a modern dress... --Robin I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten path I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed linen for outerwear. My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore is one of the reasons that extent garments made of linen have not been found yet in the Medieval Western Europe. You also have the garments used until rags and then sometimes became paper. Anyhow, this has been an interesting and informative discussion. Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 23:24:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB44OXno000599 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:24:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB44NpJj032373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44NmQl099315; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44Nk4E099248 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3D7E3 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB43FB43 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:23:37 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] name that garment Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D0C666@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] name that garment Thread-Index: AcX4PWRJajnKDgeQTtON19aPi38oIgATIjpw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 04:23:36.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EEFB0A0:01C5F88A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB44Nk4E099248 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi! > http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 > > I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the > woman in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. It's a hood, or medieval hood. Sometimes it's called a lirpipe (sp?) if there is a long tail hanging off the back of the head. Though that term mutates to mean a (usually man's) rolled hat with a tail hanging down. If you need a pattern Medieval Miscellanea has an easy one. If you want a very period pattern the pattern chapter of the Museum of London _Clothing and Textiles_ has one. Hope that helps! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 23:29:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB44TCSD000669 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB44SmBN032878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44SmKN001587; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB44SiwJ001555 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24481 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2005 20:27:43 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24461, pid: 24462, t: 0.8331s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2005 20:27:42 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051203202003.030d5eb0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:28:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Survival of linen vs. wool, was RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 07:36 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >[snip] >I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten path >I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed linen for >outerwear. >My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore is one >of the reasons that extent garments made of linen have not been found yet in >the Medieval Western Europe. You also have the garments used until rags and >then sometimes became paper. >Anyhow, this has been an interesting and informative discussion. >Thank you, >De The issue is not that linen degrades faster than wool, but that the two fabrics survive under different conditions. What preserves wool (acidic conditions like the bog burials) literally dissolves linen; what preserves linen (basic, anaerobic conditions, like the Swiss lake deposits), destroys wool. About the only way both would survive would be to find them in extremely dry, arid conditions (which could be from a hot dry climate, like Egypt, or a cold dry climate, like Urumchi) or in frozen sites, like some of the fantastic sites in Mongolia (can't remember the names offhand, and the books have hidden themselves). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 3 23:48:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB44mhQg000960 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB44mHhG036165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44mDg5012649; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB44mAIJ012594 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01726 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:14:43 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:14:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/back to medieval In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten > path I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed > linen for outerwear. > My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore > is one of the reasons that extent garments made of linen have not been > found yet in the Medieval Western Europe. You also have the garments > used until rags and then sometimes became paper. I wouldn't base the assumption just on the archaeological evidence, for exactly that reason -- not nearly enough scope of survivals to generalize about most things, not just this point. But the documentary evidence -- wills, inventories, sales records, domestic manuals, sumptuary laws, guild regulations, shipping records, letters, literature, poetry, chronicles, legal cases -- paint a pretty clear picture of what fibers are being made, sold, and used, and for what purposes. I place a lot of faith in these! There's loads of linen mentioned in these documents, but it generally appears in household and industrial uses, as well as very specific clothing uses such as underwear, caps, aprons, eccesiastical garments. References to fashionable/everyday clothing are overwhelmingly to wool, wool, wool (for all classes) and some silk (for the wealthy), and occasional blends that might have been part linen or cotton in cases, but otherwise wool or silk. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 00:22:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB45MgkJ001387 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB45MNJi042602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB45MLWe031907; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB45MHFA031836 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 38967688 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:38:55 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:23:12 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5f892$d2c44940$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com De wrote: "My perspective is that linen degrades faster than wool and therefore is one of the reasons that extant garments made of linen have not been found yet in the Medieval Western Europe. " I don't think that's true. Some of the oldest clothing in existence is linen from Egyptian tombs. Environmental conditions have more to do with whether a textile is preserved than the fiber it's made of. Kim _ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 08:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4DScmr021851 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:28:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4DRscP098685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DRmME029027; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DRj80028961 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:27:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4392EF6D.9040408@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:30:21 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: A Place to Post Pictures of Your Norse Garb (was [h-cost] need some input) References: <200512022002.00975.cathy@thyrsus.com> <00bc01c5f7b2$063e1b20$f3bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512022339.05619.cathy@thyrsus.com> <1133616471.43919d57ab15a@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1133616471.43919d57ab15a@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 13:27:40.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[8013FAD0:01C5F8D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com You aren't alone! :-D stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: >Jeeze, I gotta start reading more goodly...at first I thought it said Nose >Garb... > >-C. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 08:40:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Dej33022187 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:40:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4DdvMe099530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DdtMh033665; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ddp1V033599 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4392F244.6040905@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:42:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 13:39:47.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[313C0A90:01C5F8D8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Caution when sending your Secret Santa gift! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Watch out! I inadvertently opened my Secret Santa gift yesterday assuming it was something I had ordered and forgotten about. (Yes it happens to me all to often). It might be advisable to write "do not open till x mass" or "H-Costume Secret Santa" on your outer package. Also, unfortunately mine wasn't wrapped and the accompanying note described the enclosed, absolutely beautiful, and beautifully crafted gift. So if you are like me and want to be surprised on Christmas morning be careful opening packages in the next few weeks! I won't reveal my Santa or the nature of the gift until after Christmass, but needless to say this was a great idea and a lot of fun on both the giving and receiving end for me! To my Secret Santa-please don't take this as criticism-I love what you have sent me and just wanted to caution others. :-* Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 08:48:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Dm2MO022344 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Dlcid000238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Dlbwj036874; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:47:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4DlY5S036846 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m236.in-tch.com [216.166.191.236]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB4Dduk10049 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:39:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001e01c5f8da$37c14860$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512031713.50859.cathy@thyrsus.com><004101c5f871$1b492ae0$79bfa6d8@pavilion> <200512032234.23017.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:54:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com SCA regionalism, I'm guessing. Local custom/usage doesn't refer to the other articles of clothing as a "dress," either, but as a "gown/undergown" (women) or "tunic/undertunic" (both genders). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long) > On Saturday 03 December 2005 8:21 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here > > are either "apron gown" or "apron dress." "Apron gown" more commonly. > > I never heard "apron gown" before, though it makes as much sense as anything > else. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 10:42:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4FgEwP024577 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Ffa0M010258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4FfX97083776; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4FfU2o083747 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.254]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A33C47FEF0 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm At the bottom............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:26:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GQI9Y025524 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GOZrq021493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:24:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GOXdP006359; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:24:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GOU1a006304 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:24:25 -0800 Message-ID: <439318DA.5040905@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:27:06 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:24:25.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[312A5FE0:01C5F8EF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com As usual-beautiful work. I have a question. It looks like you chose to allow the edge of the sleeve to fray a little under the white trim. Did you do anything to stop the fraying past a certian point? I guess the sewing on the trim would stop it huh? Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for > showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. > They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > At the bottom............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GUZe9025619 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GPUVH021630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GPUdZ006777; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4GPRBJ006749 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 13276 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 08:24:26 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13262, pid: 13264, t: 3.7016s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 08:24:22 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204082109.03876450@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:25:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves In-Reply-To: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 07:41 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote: >As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me >for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. >They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >At the bottom............. > >Bjarne As usual, very pretty, Bjarne! Very inspiring. All these lovely embroidered clothes are encouraging me to get a slate frame to use for future Elizabethan clothing. I just need to decide how big it needs to be. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:34:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GYTeh025661 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:34:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GRRsj021889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GRRc5007700; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GRNsk007682 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF3E3FF80 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb13.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4383ccfe.86e9a for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDkxjqp8AxVAIAAAAB,2454205970d1d5276823d403d669ec4f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] Message-Id: <20051204082723.BAD007B7@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mind? You have got to be kidding. We love to see your beautiful work. I can't even begin to imagine how many hours you have spent on this fabulous gown. You are a true artist and I feel privileged to see your work in such detail. Thank you so much for sharing!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:27 +0100 To: Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm At the bottom............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:35:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GZOj4025672 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:35:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GZ2jM022833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GYxnK011869; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GYvrv011824 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: <43931B4D.3020605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:37:33 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:34:52.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6C56140:01C5F8F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of lingerie exhibit. They have an early American (1780) corset on display that has a feature I have a question about. The corset laces up the back, but across the front (now only on the point mostly) there are some very fine cords laced at very close distances (~3 mm) to one another. You can see that they extended all the way up the front at one time. The cord is a little thicker than upholstery thread and has been drawn through the fabric with a needle. The holes are not reinforced in anyway so I assume it didn't take much stress. Also in several areas on this corset and one from the 1890's there are areas up near the bustline where there are threads about 2 inches long which almost look like warp threads that have been purposely left out of the weaving. I am not sure how they do this because these threads run at a diagonal. On the later corset there are two sets which cross each other. They are the same plain white as the rest of the corset...I wonder if they had a function. On a corset of an even later period they appear as decorations in a contrasting color in "X's" here and there. The literature says they thought those were sexy??? Any thoughts? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 11:36:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4GaX8n025693 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:36:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4GaCoP022962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GaCsZ012471; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ga8Wc012369 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: <43931B95.20200@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:38:45 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:36:04.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[D176F200:01C5F8F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Can any of you direct me to a text which might discuss in some detail the offices of maids of honor, ladies in waiting, privy and bedchambers in some detail? Thanks _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 12:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4H6ehI026234 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4H3vbf025650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4H3ssJ026359; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4H3pIk026319 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 19149 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 17:02:36 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:02:36 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:07:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1128.67.188.164.116.1133716022.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43931B4D.3020605@msn.com> References: <43931B4D.3020605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:07:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of lingerie > exhibit. They have an early American (1780) corset on display that has > a feature I have a question about. The corset laces up the back, but > across the front (now only on the point mostly) there are some very fine > cords laced at very close distances (~3 mm) to one another. You can see > that they extended all the way up the front at one time. The cord is a > little thicker than upholstery thread and has been drawn through the > fabric with a needle. The holes are not reinforced in anyway so I > assume it didn't take much stress. Maybe the lady did it because she got pregnant and needed more "room". Then she stitched it back together afterward? Just a guess... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 12:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Hhl7X027201 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:43:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4HhHPl029312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HhFH3047008; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HhBAx046981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-60.sonic.net [209.148.114.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HgcwY007398 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:42:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Is there a print catalog for that exhibit? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: > We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of > lingerie exhibit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 12:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4HxQ9O027554 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4HwaeA031224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HwYw9054274; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4HwUQh054207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB4HwQwS013576 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.55 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49685.64.156.242.55.1133719109.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> References: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com There is something we see on some stays of the 1780s and 90s - the functional lacing is in back, and there is a lacing with smaller holes (less reinforcement on the holes) from the waist up. It looks like a bustline adjustment, but some of them are lined so you really can't adjust it. Diderot shows pregnancy stays that are back lacing, with additional laced openings from the bottom to within an inch or so of the armscye. It's for adjustment, and I have not seen a set of extant stays made that way to know if the lacing holes are reinforced. It seems that the reinforcement is needed for the every day lacing holes - having a cord or tape dragged through them every time you put them on. Adjustment lacings are just that - occasionally adjusted, but not unlaced each time. Does that fit with what you saw? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 13:38:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4IcnE8028477 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4IbBcn034646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ib8C2075551; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4GbJ0o012935 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:37:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43931BDC.4010608@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:39:56 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves-slate frame?? References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.2.20051204082109.03876450@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204082109.03876450@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 16:37:14.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBBAF3E0:01C5F8F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com How is a slate frame used? Joan Jurancich wrote: > > All these lovely embroidered clothes are encouraging me to get a slate > frame to use for future Elizabethan clothing. I just need to decide > how big it needs to be. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 13:39:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Id4Pf028488 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:39:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Icjxm035002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4IcjVT076558; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4GbTHS013044 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail24.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3GG36AL8ZQNS for (sender ); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBDY6HD7; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:36:22 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:36:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:36:03 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051204.083622.24839.35748@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:31125938 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xVMyiK3nQdLXNnxoN/QJAdz4No/4SeQig== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.164|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB4Id4Pf028488 Absolutely gogeous, Bjarne! Yellow usually isn't a color I like, but in this case I'd make an exception. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 13:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4IqdbR028749 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Il7fR036193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Il6DN082275; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Il1Fh082156 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:46:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43933A40.9050305@msn.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:49:36 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions References: <43932A8A.7050400@lavoltapress.com> <49685.64.156.242.55.1133719109.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49685.64.156.242.55.1133719109.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 18:46:55.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[19415FA0:01C5F903] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > Does that fit with what you saw? > That could be. They were so tiny and close together. >Lavolta Press wrote: Is there a print catalog for that exhibit? >Unfortuanaly there is no catalog, but I know the curator personally. Maybe I could go see it and take some photos up close. > >Maybe the lady did it because she got pregnant and needed more "room". >Then she stitched it back together afterward? Just a guess... > >Diana > > Well, except the back looked way too high and broad.... Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 14:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4JnjSV030079 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Jn09B042532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4JmsoH018627; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Jmmub018542 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24773.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.115]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D048247FE8B for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:48:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c5f90b$bf77c0a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:48:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Saragrace, The warp threads as you describes are stitched on. Some corsets had horizontal boning to make shape, and the stitching of these bone channels are visible at the front part of the stays. The lacing you have seen on the front is purely decorative, for the looks. The x stiches also are made for decorative purpose, but they also help to reinforce the stays. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th & 19th Century corset questions > We went to Phoenix Art Museum yesterday to see their history of lingerie > exhibit. They have an early American (1780) corset on display that has a > feature I have a question about. The corset laces up the back, but across > the front (now only on the point mostly) there are some very fine cords > laced at very close distances (~3 mm) to one another. You can see that > they extended all the way up the front at one time. The cord is a little > thicker than upholstery thread and has been drawn through the fabric with > a needle. The holes are not reinforced in anyway so I assume it didn't > take much stress. > > Also in several areas on this corset and one from the 1890's there are > areas up near the bustline where there are threads about 2 inches long > which almost look like warp threads that have been purposely left out of > the weaving. I am not sure how they do this because these threads run at > a diagonal. On the later corset there are two sets which cross each > other. They are the same plain white as the rest of the corset...I wonder > if they had a function. On a corset of an even later period they appear > as decorations in a contrasting color in "X's" here and there. The > literature says they thought those were sexy??? > > Any thoughts? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 14:53:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4JrNvU030178 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:53:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4JqutV042978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Jqu5m021080; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4JqqTr021038 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24773.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.115]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AED7A47FEBB for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:52:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c5f90c$5908a630$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:53:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Debbie, Now i understand. Many thanks for your informations. You know we call this paper silk paper in Denmark because the ships that carried silks from china had them wrapped with this paper. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 > In a message dated 12/3/05 1:05:25 PM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >> Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". >> Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? >> Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, >> cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. > > No, it's not kitchen paper - it's the stuff that expensive clothes, and > breakable things (china, etc) are wrapped in when you buy them (in the UK > at > least). > > Picture here: > http://www.morplan.com/ProductDisplay/Acid%20Free%20Tissue/84320/16251/656590 > > The reason to use tissue is that you can use a sheet and treat it as one > with > the fabric when putting it in the hoop, then tear away the middle bit, so > that the work area is uncovered but the edges are still protected. > > But as long as you were careful when cutting away the middle bit, I don't > see > why you couldn't use calico. Or even kitchen paper for that matter. > > The main thing is to have something reasonably soft to stop the hoop > making > marks on the fabric, (which it does because the tightness of the grip). > Also, > if you're not using a stand, if you leave a bit of the protective material > overlapping the edge where you're holding the frame it'll help to reduce > the dirt > from your fingers that gets onto the work, thereby meaning less cleaning > when > you're finished of course. > > Debbie. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 15:04:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4K4vsR030561 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4K4Ujh044084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4K4O4c027640; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4K3ZZQ027151 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB4K3WF9000022 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:03:32 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:52:39 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512041800.jB4I0G1j055184@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne: Those sleeves are so perfectly sweet! I wish that just once in my life I could wear such a beautiful thing. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 15:18:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4KIqjL030850 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:18:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4KIMrb046318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4KIL2Q037373; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4KIHrL037312 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24773.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.115]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 364EF26286E for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:18:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003d01c5f90f$e7050a20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:18:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Gail, Thanks a lot, well yes i like them as well. I hope the lady i make it for, will remember to send me a picture with the dress. You know, i have made for many people now, but the only person who actually kept their promise was the wedding dress i made for Xenia, It is quite another story to see it on a real person. Unfortunately i cant work as speedy as i used to, also because of the winter season. When i get home from work its dark, and i am tired and dont have energy to pick up the work. So i only gets to make something of the dress in weekends. But now i have made the bodice with lining and pleated the back of the dress, so there is not long way till it is finished........... Baught some books with purses and bags, boy you just waite till i have sended this dress away, bags and purses are going to be made.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves > > Bjarne: > > Those sleeves are so perfectly sweet! I wish that just once in my life I > could wear such a beautiful thing. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 15:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Ktcv9031654 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4Kt3CT050292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ksx4U059932; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Ksubi059907 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB4KlEk07919 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:47:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c5f915$e9a8a420$bcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:01:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Nope, but I'd sure enjoy lurking if someone else does! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? > Can any of you direct me to a text which might discuss in some detail > the offices of maids of honor, ladies in waiting, privy and bedchambers > in some detail? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 16:04:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4L4Xvg031855 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:04:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4L3Ds2051132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4L3BFN064477; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4L39bc064462 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB4KtVk09558 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:55:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003f01c5f917$11c64e20$bcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:09:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh, I'm a 100% with you on that wish, Gail. I'm not a "pretty clothes" sort of person, generally, and certainly don't have a physique that would do such a gown justice, but oh, it's beautiful. I'd think anyone wearing such a dress couldn't help but feel like a queen. --Sue in snowy Montana, sighing in envy..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves > > Bjarne: > > Those sleeves are so perfectly sweet! I wish that just once in my life I > could wear such a beautiful thing. > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 16:51:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4LpD33000354 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4LoqmP055376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4LonXr090243; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4LokGS090167 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 58399 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 21:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAX.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@68.95.252.94 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 21:50:40 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051204154432.02276340@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:48:43 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment In-Reply-To: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 07:13 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 > >I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman >in the second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. > > >I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I >have no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples >and/or patterns. > >thanks! Yes, as Ro and Sunny said, it is a hood/mantle. It kpredates the first picture in most paintings, and is usually seen on women. The ones without buttons are the ones seen on men. I think it has to do with the fact that a woman would not want to pull a hood over her hair, while a man would be less concerned with messing up his locks. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 17:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4MjfMJ001337 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:45:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4MjFTY060357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4MjCGk016579; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:45:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4Mj8SI016545 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:45:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:45:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.2] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512031304.jB3D1kLG042339@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:45:06 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2005 22:45:06.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FB4F200:01C5F924] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Just for fun... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this stuff into a form that would be useful. This is a test page. Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm I'd appreciate any suggestions. marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 18:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4NSkNf002133 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4NSQ4h064414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NSLtx038496; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4NSH7Z038460 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22986 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 15:27:00 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22969, pid: 22972, t: 2.1646s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 15:26:58 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204150116.0386c900@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:28:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Ladies 'offices'? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 08:38 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote: >Can any of you direct me to a text which might discuss in some >detail the offices of maids of honor, ladies in waiting, privy and >bedchambers in some detail? > >Thanks I'm not aware of any single text that lays out this sort of information. From what information I have seen, there is a great deal of overlap amongst the duties of the various "offices". Basically, the maids of honor are young women of gentle or noble birth (sometimes as young as 14) who tend to the more public services; for example, carrying the Queen's prayer book when accompanying her to chapel, carrying her cup, serving at meals, etc. The maids of honor were often placed at court to find a husband (always tricky since the Queen considered all of her ladies and gentlewomen part of her "family" and disliked changes; her permission was needed to allow the young woman to marry). They were also expected to be able to read (aloud), dance, sing, and play musical instruments; these skills were useful in providing entertainment for the Queen in her own chambers. Ladies in waiting (noblewomen, married or widowed) and gentlewomen in waiting (of gentle but not noble birth, some unmarried, some married) provided more personal services in the Queen's bedchamber (the most private) and the privy chamber (the first public chambers; the Queen often met with ambassadors there). They would get her up in the morning, help her dress, do her hair, put on makeup, etc. At various times, different ladies would be assigned as record keepers for jewels, books, some clothes, etc. However, there were no rigid lines between the various tasks performed by the various offices. Some of the sources I have found useful are Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, the many biographies of Elizabeth I, Wives and Daughters, and any references that discuss the organization of the Court under the Tudors. If anyone does find other useful sources, I'd love it if they would post them here. Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [GoSGN] aka Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 18:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4NTR7e002148 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4NT8kv064453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NT73d038889; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NT4su038860 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E06D7C8DE for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:29:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:29:01 +1100 Message-ID: <1133738941.43937bbd7670b@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:29:01 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <439318DA.5040905@msn.com> In-Reply-To: <439318DA.5040905@msn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My Sunday afternoon with Stanley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Okay, here's a tip for anyone in Melbourne, Australia, before January 9: ACMI (Australian Centre for Moving Image) is staging a Stanley Kubrick retrospective including props, costumes, scripts, notes, sketches and clips ranging from making-ofs to movie scenes. Included in the display are: Olivier's white armour from Spartacus (they had sewing machines in ancient Rome?); Senator's costume from Spartacus (with some interesting moth-hole patching); A selection of frock coats and gowns from Barry Lyndon (including a redcoat uniform had some interesting "repair" distressing here and there); Hooded Cape and masks from Eyes Wide Shut; Full ape, an ape mask, silver spacesuit and pack, and red space helmet from 2001; "Born to Kill" army helmet; and Plenty of others from the movies. There are lots of props, costume accessories, original costume sketches, reproductions of several costumes including Clockwork Orange pieces, set models (the miniature of the centrifuge still works!), and a great look at the obsessive research the director undertook (5 foot tall stack of books on Napoleon for an unrealised project, for instance, along with dozens of Empire/Regency sketches). The nice thing about the displays is most are on podiums, not behind glass so you can get your nose right up to them so long as you do not touch. The display is in conjuction with a couple of collections including Kubrick's estate so there are some hard-to-see inclusions. I know, I know, you'd prefer a considered review but hell, it's Monday morning and I am too busy avoiding clients to be in one place for too long. Maybe one day - - - -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 18:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4NvMc0002621 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB4NupkR067484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB4NunD4052813; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB4NukVh052774 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65913 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2005 23:56:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CWyDI5H0KCldzMjnhQ839v6ap7L2Wycw9O7jbsRnwVW9LW1cBVeLhXCG4AZ2JRGY0jwaxOTYAdQcw6wL5STJtYvL9JOjs81MyK175f0C1J8WPYIhJ+y6TvL+nlm67i31E/dPrbwinG+aWLW90LQw548Z7AC5nkIyOshSqbHrDnk= ; Message-ID: <20051204235641.65911.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:56:41 PST Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512041802.jB4I0G1k055184@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: finished sleaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Absolutely gorgeous!! Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:41:27 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm At the bottom............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 20:08:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB518hla004326 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB517qtV074646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB517nbC088095; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB517jbO088057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-26-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.26]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jB517gZm024733 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:07:44 +1100 Message-ID: <00a701c5f938$4c4df770$1af0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:07:42 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves > As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for > showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. > They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > At the bottom............. > > Bjarne > Wow! I can't wait to see the end result. Looking at such beautiful work makes me wish I had the patience for that sort of embroidery, but I can't even do simple blackwork because I get bored halfway through and put it away in a box for months on end. Making a dress is different I can see the results much faster and it's too big to be put in a box and forgotten. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 20:13:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB51D5J3004393 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB51CWa5075216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB51CVv4090628; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ns.partiallysane.com (ns2.partiallysane.com [69.0.209.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB51CSh0090556 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from laptoptraci (c-67-173-192-16.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [67.173.192.16]) by ns.partiallysane.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id jB51CLYe024969 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:12:22 -0600 Message-ID: <004701c5f937$4d046ba0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00a701c5f938$4c4df770$1af0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:00:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wow. That has got to be one of the most beautiful gowns I have ever seen! I can't wait to see it finished! XxX, Traci ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] finished sleaves > As sundays usually are quiet here, i dont think you would mind me for > showing you the finished sleaves for the yellow dress. > They ended up being excactly as i wanted them. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > At the bottom............. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 20:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB51x522005089 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB51wgK7079893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB51wdJm014848; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB51wZFj014791 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22651 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 17:57:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22640, pid: 22644, t: 1.7498s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 17:57:31 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051204175543.03875d60@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:58:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just for fun... In-Reply-To: References: <200512031304.jB3D1kLG042339@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:45 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote: >As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage >materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really >catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this >stuff into a form that would be useful. > >This is a test page. > >Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm > >I'd appreciate any suggestions. > >marc It looks pretty good so far. It would be useful to be able to search by dates and by type of item. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 21:16:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB52GXjA005369 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:16:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB52G0Be081440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52Ftfl024228; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52FpoN024198 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=nY0VGeoYkNxAvkSQL2q2LDrn9qIDnb89an/9fvwQYHZ/rhxomcpaIOZFNK1mYYrF; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.80] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej5tO-00037o-5R for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: <022401c5f941$cdc66950$503c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f8e9$33a818d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00a701c5f938$4c4df770$1af0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <004701c5f937$4d046ba0$0400a8c0@laptoptraci> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished sleaves Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bd776fed9cdcad0adc39b25ee088801c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.80 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne- Magnificent, as always. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 21:58:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB52wV2h005985 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB52vmhg085269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52vjm5047334; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB52vdGA047222 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AC9D027C; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:57:33 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 4 Dec 2005 21:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c5f947$d12cde20$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200511301716.jAUHGBwt096944@net.indra.com> <002701c5f670$70f67fe0$6401a8c0@pericles> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:ironing/pressing Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:58:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am a bit behind with this thread, but besides the ordinary press cloth, there are some new tech stuff that helps to handle the pressing needs of contemporary fibers. All of these I originally discovered in the Clotilde catalogue. 1. A teflon pressing sheet about 14x24". This is wonderful if you are trying to use any of the bonding fibers. It will take a fairly high heat. (Be sure and not store it absentmindedly with other heaps of Plastic) 2. There is a nylon(?) or maybe teflon mesh sheet about the same size as the above item. It is bound in blue, but looks something like a mesh laundry bag for delicate. This is a favorite for wools, rayon crepes, other delicate fabrics like polychiffon. It allows you to see exactly what you are trying to press, prevents shininess or scorching. 3.A special cloth for press ing trousers or such is a treated cloth that looks like any odd piece of cotton broadcloth but helps especially when changing press lines on hems. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] re:ironing/pressing > > Hello, > I've had good results ironing wool using a square of damp lightweight cotton > over the top. I keep pieces of old sheets for the purpose. Also stops the > fabric going shiny. > I love ironing, especially linen! > regards > Joy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53HBHs006288 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53GbmB087066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53GYwo057226; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53GVxI057114 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A10802E0; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:16:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 4 Dec 2005 22:16:18 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c5f94a$73ac6060$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5f735$842d3610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:17:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movie > Hi, > Have any of you seen the checkoslovakian movie with Cinderella and the 3 > magic nuts?' > This is my favourite movie i watch each christmass. I love the costumes in > it also, even they are fairy tale like, they have a touch of eastern europe > fashions two. > Cinadarella is wearing such a lovely cloak with a deep pointed hood when she > goes to the ball, that is the most wonderfull i ever saw, strange that it > wasnt a fashion made that way. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:21:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53LjMq006370 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:21:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53LQOU087754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53LOmh060257; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53LKRS060212 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [63.40.226.56] (1Cust56.tnt4.dca5.da.uu.net [63.40.226.56]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53LCcG027893 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:21:13 -0800 Message-ID: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:21:21 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] commercial serger use X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi folks, I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? Thanks in advance, Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:38:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53cJZH006608 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:38:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53bpwR089259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53bn42068707; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53bkvY068683 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-71-0-5-73.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [71.0.5.73]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8670C32C018 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] commercial serger use Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:37:18 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB53bkvY068683 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's older than you think! Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ >From the Smithsonian: http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF /single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not commercial production. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:38:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53cMm4006611 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:38:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53c4Yl089287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53c4Cr068843; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53c1Wv068808 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.178] (acty1178.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.178]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFDA5C52B for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:37:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4393B613.2000007@dandy.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:37:55 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] !5th Century coat References: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <120120050729.13476.438EA64C00089E41000034A422073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Roscelin. You might want to try and contact the Companie of Saynte George, since they put the book together based on their research on 15th cent. clothing. They are nice folks as well as top notch reenactors and researchers. Cheers, Mike T. roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I need help with a coat from a book. The book is "The Medieval Soldier" > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 22:51:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB53ps3B006775 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53pZ72090549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53pZv4076777; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB53pVoQ076722 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [63.40.226.56] (1Cust56.tnt4.dca5.da.uu.net [63.40.226.56]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB53pL6I029849 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:51:22 -0800 Message-ID: <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:51:29 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Carolann Schmitt wrote: > It's older than you think! > > Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ > >>From the Smithsonian: > http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF > /single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company > > The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not > commercial production. very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started (especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Thanks. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 4 23:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB54RBxB007328 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:27:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB54QdaI094255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB54Qa3q096373; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB54QXn1096238 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 40495 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 04:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 04:26:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4393C173.3040708@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:26:27 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Judy Mitchell wrote: > Carolann Schmitt wrote: > >> It's older than you think! >> >> Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ >> >>> From the Smithsonian: >> >> http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF >> >> /single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company >> >> The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not >> commercial production. > > > very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had > wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started > (especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have > no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor > (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Well, the local dealers might know more than you think. A long time ago, when I worked for a store selling both Viking and Bernina, we had to learn the history of our respective brands. I attempted to sell Bernina (only lasted a week or two but managed to sell myself on them) Of course, the history lessons might have been peculiar to that store. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 02:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB57dkYD018629 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB57dBTH009154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB57d68e088780; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB57d0x8088745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 3132 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2005 23:39:01 -0800 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust76.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO jon) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2005 23:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c5f96e$fbaa7be0$6401a8c0@ntlworld.com> From: To: References: <200512031301.jB3D1kLF042339@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:39:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Was the film 'Company of Wolves', Bjarne? regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 04:43:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB59hQ1T013521 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:43:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB59h0tc019175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB59gu5g044957; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB59gq8b044901 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB59gjV10934.; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:42:46 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:42:45 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:42:37 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 773 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB59gq8b044901 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Coming late into this discussion, I was going to say that my Swedish dictionary gives "silkespapper" for "tissue paper". Interesting to know the reason for the name. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 04/12/2005 19:53 >>> Hi Debbie, Now i understand. Many thanks for your informations. You know we call this paper silk paper in Denmark because the ships that carried silks from china had them wrapped with this paper. Bjarne ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:18:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BIcTn000896 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5BI0qi040615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BHtjw089564; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BHpW1089484 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.ee1212a (17377) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:17:41 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.ee1212a.30c57bd5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:17:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/4/2005 10:51:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judymitch@theoldforest.net writes: but they have no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Maybe not, but they might know how to contact the "home office." Our local Bernina dealer was very knowledgeable and had even been to the Bernina plant in Switzerland several times. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BR5Uq004410 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:27:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5BQa4H041224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BQYub094000; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BQVrr093912 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:26:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.68.59.113 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:26:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.59.113] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:24:45 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 11:26:25.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA2730D0:01C5F98E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB5BR5Uq004410 Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:34:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BY5p2006959 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:34:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5BXl8i041520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:33:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BXkgW097209; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5BXeoG097116 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28a.157e60c (17377) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:33:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:27:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nancy_kiel@hotmail.com writes: Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) I know this is a huge job, but you might consider taking pieces and making some kind of quilt for yourself, to preserve the memories. Putting the fabric out to air might help the smell. And sometimes, individually ugly fabrics make up quite nicely in quilts. Some of what you have might not be useful to anybody--I'm thinking if there are polyester knits from the '60s for example--except as samples. But if there are cotton prints, I imagine a quilters' group would like them. I've been going through my stash recently and weeding out all kinds of things--I used to work at two fabric stores. Mostly I take it to our local thrift store, where they do bag up fabric pieces to sell. A very few pieces I can offer to individuals. I gave pieces of cotton prints to a quilter for Christmas last year. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 06:36:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5BaMUP008080 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:36:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Ba7oW041626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ba7cv098312; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB5Ba3Iu098229 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48756 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2005 11:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 11:35:57 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051205113415.01d43e30@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:36:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric In-Reply-To: References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:24 05/12/2005, you wrote: >Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps >to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble >throwing away any but the smallest scraps! My local centre for the less able (!) is glad of scraps and odd buttons and scraps of lace, braid and so on for their craft projects, as is my local junior school (5-11 years.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 07:04:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5C4qUO012198 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:04:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5C4OJh045728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5C4LuK012070; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5C4Hv2011994 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACBA023C; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:04:10 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Dec 2005 07:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c5f994$2d9bfa00$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:05:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com And don't forget your local Senior Citizen center. They often have projects going that use a wide variety of scraps. Or assisted senior care facilities. Ours locally have a craft room that need to be "fed" on a regular basis. The art teacher at a local elementary school is always asking for my scraps that she uses on a variety of textile projects. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 08:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5DkOTl013909 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Djr7g064832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Djl9U061131; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5DjgEb061021 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A47F0264; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:45:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Dec 2005 08:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c5f9a2$58b37020$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c5f746$fc7d7920$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra stomacher Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:46:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I finally had time to look at the progress journal on this Gorgeous dress! Thank you for sharing it. I have friends and family who are not on the List and they too wait for the updates!! Not having the time to make the individual blooms as you are doing, I have been developing heavy texture designs for my stomachers with some of the commercial chenilles and other fibers and ribbon flowers that are being used to make the 'funfur' assessories that are currently popular, here. Into my second year developing these designs, your work has been a constant inspiration! When I finish the present project, I will try to get it together to share. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] extra stomacher > Hi, > I have started to make an extra stomacher for the yellow dress. I made a > pattern of my own, and made a serpentine with bullion roses........... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > > Now i am assembling the dress bit by bit, all pieces ready to be put > together........ ahhhhhhhhhh > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 09:42:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5Egps1014814 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:42:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Ea7gB072083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ea4Qx092935; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ea1sr092847 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:35:56 -0800 Message-ID: <439450EF.1040805@msn.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:38:39 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2005 14:35:56.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[33AD45B0:01C5F9A9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If this link works, *http://tinyurl.com/deyk5 *there is one towards the bottom of the page dated back to 1857. Is that the one you were refering to? Carolann Schmitt wrote: >It's older than you think! > >Here's one source from one of the pioneers: http://www.merrow.com/ > >>From the Smithsonian: >http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/CF >/single-record.cfm?AuthorizedCompany=Merrow%20Machine%20Company > >The terms serger and overlock are generally used for home sewing, not >commercial production. > >Carolann Schmitt >cschmitt@genteelarts.com >www.genteelarts.com >Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 09:48:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5EmNP3014909 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Eksug074031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Ekn6c000177; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5EkjE8000137 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so83727wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=iAlDPCkFF/uF6HESe9lSd8p1NJmJ+u2CW+vt/rsrsPeA/LtBeyRzuxib3HKGWgiQdN352ueYBNHEO4XqkW9OCD0OZ5bBqiAD7sXKzGWu0Jx+MLwkU8bLGeFTBMbDwq+x2Az7o48R0XK/UJ7WgbHLHb9EzOrhvmRhuYqBmwkM8PM= Received: by 10.65.59.13 with SMTP id m13mr2776523qbk; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f16sm1540908qba.2005.12.05.06.46.44; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <016d01c5f9aa$b9f2a290$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003d01c5f90f$e7050a20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne, those flowers, how did you learn to make them? Do you have a book (in English, French or Spanish) to recommend? They're really amazing, sitting there just on the edge of the fabric... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 10:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5FNj5R015531 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:23:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FMC6Q079424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5FM9h7024907; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5FM4T3024839 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C19C4084E for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb08.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.9251f for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDlFsbHwILYAIAAAAB,d1154e3ad1c47221cf92d38b5ea2bc18 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] Message-Id: <20051205072203.BAD1CE4A@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com How about a little theatre group? I have used some truly ugly polyester stuff as a costume for the movie a friend is making. It isn't historical, but then the movie isn't either. Some little theatre groups put on plays from the 50's and 60's and the fabric would be great for them. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Lloyd Mitchell" wrote: From: "Lloyd Mitchell" Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:05:22 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric And don't forget your local Senior Citizen center. They often have projects going that use a wide variety of scraps. Or assisted senior care facilities. Ours locally have a craft room that need to be "fed" on a regular basis. The art teacher at a local elementary school is always asking for my scraps that she uses on a variety of textile projects. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble throwing away any but the smallest scraps! ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linenoutergarments -E House (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 10:59:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5FxCwe016249 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:59:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5FvI1q086255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5FvCgt054051; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB5Fv850053915 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66809 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2005 15:57:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VZyTzgZB+J5gv81bPGXfTnysii2/ZaWUlo9qzKxe0xWUuWC0heguweBcyIruc5JiicdOj3Xz3HobBkeFUNLwqGTMPTa9a/9uQumJNd4LGRIZO/dSjnndIlDuqvwM5/g2KXVjSJVrEJ7ewDvDJ0NmWGDK9IOp9fB832yzm2Rn+5c= ; Message-ID: <20051205155703.66807.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:57:03 PST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512050201.jB51x7W7015140@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ladies in wating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ladies-in-waiting : from the Tudors to the present day / Anne Somerset. by Somerset, Anne, 1955- New York : Knopf, 1984. I recentlyl read this book about ladies in waiting. It was OK. It was really about who they were, rather that what they did. (I need to know this, because my alter ego is Dappert, the dissolute ladies maid to an earls daughter. This helps us in Rev War 'cause then we have an excuse to interpret another social class (high, middle, low, we have then all in his majesties 64th of foot.) And the visitors seem to like discussing the difference in dress and status evident bewtween the nobility and the washerwomen) Mia in Charlotte --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 14:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5JLVhn020544 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:21:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5JJxt0029663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JJq8j026763; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JJkU6026628 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.164]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FA035EE0CA for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:19:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c5f9d0$df9e8970$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512031301.jB3D1kLF042339@net.indra.com> <001801c5f96e$fbaa7be0$6401a8c0@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Films Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:19:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Joy, Yes it was, sorry about this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] Films > Was the film 'Company of Wolves', Bjarne? > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 14:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5JUkCe020773 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:30:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5JPe32031516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5IaQem084219; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5IaHNE084037 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jB5IaDEq006025 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:36:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01bc01c5f9ca$c41fde20$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009301c5f80b$65a55570$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <7.0.0.16.0.20051204154432.02276340@justinanimator.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:35:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I, too, have heard that men's hoods did not button, but last January, I went to an exhibit at the Cleveland Museum of Art. There was a Burgundian themed exhibit which had some small statues of monks/lay men with hoods/mantles. One of them was pulled up and you could see buttons that were on the front opening. Very cool and quite exciting! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie Barrett" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] name that garment > At 07:13 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >>http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=864 >> >>I'd like to know the name of the dark grey/white piece on the woman in the >>second photo. It covers her head and shoulders. >> >> >>I'd be interested in making something similar for modern wear, but I have >>no idea what it's called in order to look for other examples and/or >>patterns. >> >>thanks! > > Yes, as Ro and Sunny said, it is a hood/mantle. It kpredates the first > picture in most paintings, and is usually seen on women. The ones without > buttons are the ones seen on men. I think it has to do with the fact that > a woman would not want to pull a hood over her hair, while a man would be > less concerned with messing up his locks. > > Genie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 14:43:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5JhNKZ020974 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:43:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5JgbZ7036791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JgXvB048464; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5JgTPQ048397 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjMEF-000JfK-91 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:42:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:41:20 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just for fun... References: <200512031304.jB3D1kLG042339@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Looks good to me (who knows nothing about research from extant materials). The thing I instantly wanted was a family tree to track who the items were made by, and for, and who was making the comment. Jean Marc Carlson wrote >As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage >materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really >catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this >stuff into a form that would be useful. > >This is a test page. > >Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm > >I'd appreciate any suggestions. > >marc > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 16:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5LKCRq022916 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5LJN6w056592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LJIPw037806; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LJDrx037735 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 665F136089 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:19:10 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:19:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wash it in Odor Ban. Use for drafts. If sturdy but light weight enough, use as interfacing. One dark colored dress that my Grandma made, she use a piece of fabric scrap from her quilting pile and used it for interfacing the collar. De -----Original Message----- Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 16:47:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5LlavP023504 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:47:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5LkiK6063210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LkY3C064668; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5Lk0W2064132 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:46:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB5LjnF9009724 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:53 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:35:04 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512051905.jB5J5ILU012834@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: disposing of fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I echo everyone else's suggestions about places to donate fabric you can't use. But don't forget -- if it's really fabric that NO ONE wants (or, for that matter, ripped old clothes and things like that) then both Goodwill and the Salvation Army sell fabric scrap. So never throw anything fabric away! Give it where it will be used, even scrap is reusing. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 16:54:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5LsbRt023628 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Lrt7G064635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LrqmI071716; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5LrjJX071571 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.36.47] (dialup-4.249.36.47.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.36.47]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5Lrdke003663 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4394B6EA.8010008@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:46 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com WickedFrau wrote: > If this link works, *http://tinyurl.com/deyk5 *there is one towards the > bottom of the page dated back to 1857. Is that the one you were > refering to? > Carolann Schmitt wrote: so... (not having any vintage clothes), how were commercially made seams for daily wear clothes treated in the mid-1920s? cut out with straight edges or pinked? serged/merrowed or standard? Was Europe any different than US? (yeah, full of questions!) -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 17:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5MK4bt024066 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5MID1R069829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI6FW094288; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI04E094135 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x7so922297nzc for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nsO3yJwan69zKDOhF7W28kVaOgEhioP6hDrAydoWL5hRGTsmuz5okKPNAazDlKS8rL3zbroaqGuey/3lvMfbCxyJupwDl7qB6B1/K2G3oA8tv2D7d8MbhFnjzrclzRTfO1D74DXMG6BEbpxWSru3Tkuiuee95Q9RJLV4BsVH8hs= Received: by 10.65.123.16 with SMTP id a16mr3342065qbn; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:17:55 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use In-Reply-To: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB5MI04E094135 Cc: h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace insertion. Katy On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi folks, > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > Thanks in advance, > Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 17:23:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5MNlsI024170 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:23:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5MIDTd069831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI7Ls094299; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5MI0As094142 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so179944wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nsO3yJwan69zKDOhF7W28kVaOgEhioP6hDrAydoWL5hRGTsmuz5okKPNAazDlKS8rL3zbroaqGuey/3lvMfbCxyJupwDl7qB6B1/K2G3oA8tv2D7d8MbhFnjzrclzRTfO1D74DXMG6BEbpxWSru3Tkuiuee95Q9RJLV4BsVH8hs= Received: by 10.65.123.16 with SMTP id a16mr3342065qbn; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:17:55 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use In-Reply-To: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB5MI0As094142 Cc: h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace insertion. Katy On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi folks, > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > Thanks in advance, > Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 18:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5N2CUP024848 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5N1lWw079413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5N1eiE035548; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5N1V9f035342 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20884 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:28:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:28:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > Use for drafts. I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. --Robin who woke up to the radio announcing 17 degrees temp outside today, with wind chill of 9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 18:16:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5NG4gk025183 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5NEUBx081891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NESbs047075; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NEOv9046925 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2a0.11fc352 (48624) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2a0.11fc352.30c623c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:14:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:02:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. Hey, but that works! We moved in to a rental house in Rhode Island, and noticed that our dryer just wasn't working like it should. That is when we discovered that the previous tenants, who must not have had a dryer, had stuffed a pair of shorts into the vent--I guess to keep out drafts! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 18:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB5Nk3KA025784 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:46:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB5NjR56088952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NjNrJ074270; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB5NjJIP074192 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Pm5Ak6ywB1g7Rr5792kxYxFuBJ4/cGZB5EJJHNXMJAPZWF2GzGUeAgMT6AZq0pOX; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.12] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjQ1G-0002oI-9y for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <028501c5f9f5$f1f5f8e0$0c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b64168d223341c1895b6402db30c059a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.12 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > >> Use for drafts. > > I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and > tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a > draft. > > Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. You're not the only one. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 19:54:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB60sY1N027071 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:54:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB60rMCV000522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB60rFg3025241; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB60rAcI025181 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x30so523770nfb for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NjrB133Jy9LzMdvWUdKiLJNmVdWq5hG5YNQtppgRJKnP1Zyqr1Ttih5qNJbfszihNpx8ySo9xuhYOKPgPy1FCJk+lSSyLJ/onOinS2gRiU92V4LleX1t4fnFYbS/N1OFzSpAAW3L6LgdufTiyGB4+LrPGif+S2BqTc6MuWnk8MQ= Received: by 10.48.241.6 with SMTP id o6mr133655nfh; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.161.5 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB60rAcI025181 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a long time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me :-) Thank you for any and all help. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 20:05:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB615q7Q027237 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:05:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB615Mp6001906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB61556v032871; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB614WmO032477 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.233.2f73c86 (3948) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <233.2f73c86.30c63d96@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:04:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 779 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine go to schools and a couple of self supporting disabled groups - they make cushion covers and pin cushions and thing - might be worth seeing if there's anything like that near you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 20:07:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB617lfg027265 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:07:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB617W6E002131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB617FeM034269; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB616qme033990 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3K3BDA6KC7RJ for (sender ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBHGQ2NE; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:06:21 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:31:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Message-ID: <20051205.183112.-610825.3.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-10,12-33 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2017384059 X-MAIL-INFO: 0c6871ec413c49280c19a5f921f93c39f98d583ce11df81d8558c9a5499d895de168355c9d9d98095d6c5dacace98cb1d525d5e9bc599168d5dcf888c9c8f88938f1c81c480d251c1c8d91a19c3cec1515155515fcb82579d5bd31ed7ced05112805115cf5115cd5bd7d010ca98d4901b800dc8d81b848991db885cda531913135ad5c751131f5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7yiqEflSYSDVHBD4XGoSJ/hSmm3Wfvc9XQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's called a regimental coat and you can find a pattern for it at : http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat59a.html If you look thru their pattern listings, you will find just about all the 18th century patterns available. The basic regimental coat was the same pattern for Yanks as well as Brits. Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 Thomas Hayman writes: > Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided > i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a > long > time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) > I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. > http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm > I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper > name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me > :-) > > Thank you for any and all help. > -- > Yours sincerely > > Thomas Hayman > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 21:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB62o3Ul029139 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:50:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB62nIwk012120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB62nEvc099262; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB62nBeB099172 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:49:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9D83D082 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:49:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4394FC66.8030502@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:50:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com E House wrote: > -E House > (Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr > old cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has > to be really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the > grandma.) There is, or was, a market for vintage yardage. 1960-1970's ugly is back in style. If you can get the smell out and present it attractively, you may get some cash out of it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:34:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63Ycxg029854 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:34:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63X158016227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63WwtH024264; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63Wrle024195 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:32:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A65E01F0; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:32:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Dec 2005 22:32:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:34:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the dozens of dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use > Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, > from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as > I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace > insertion. > > Katy > > On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, Jeeves...) to > > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Judy Mitchell > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63f4HT029942 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63eeId017323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63eclY028871; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63ebOq028851 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so255392wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:40:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pFihfOUXna8ZEnC9qehciyl15U6vX/zjr4GnjF5pmbSRNV68sWkp4yotvW5lL8wSiizM/8EtIrnoCaL/Bqe1ALvkuYQwRcZy4mEFLZhneJhp7eH/JHy9eN6PcDMEeV8YSK7HnW+/RtT+WndaZZdnxHJn2FYR/ZholNCrt945U5o= Received: by 10.65.228.12 with SMTP id f12mr14583qbr; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070512051940v75a543f3n25f3eabe7958f1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:40:32 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use In-Reply-To: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB63ebOq028851 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I don't believe it has been altered in modern times. The serging is done in period looking cotton thread in a style different from modern serging, but it is definitely serging. If I can find it (won't be soon) I can put pics on my site. Katy On 12/5/05, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the dozens of > dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Bishop" > To: "Historical Costume" > Cc: "h-costume" > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use > > > > Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, > > from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as > > I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace > > insertion. > > > > Katy > > > > On 12/4/05, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > I've just spent over an hour searching (google, A9, wiki, > Jeeves...) to > > > find information on when sergers began. I'm looking to find how early > > > the common use of serging for off-the-rack clothing would be. I found > > > lots on the history of the standard sewing maching, but zippo on > > > sergers/overlockers. anybody run across this? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Judy Mitchell > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:53:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63rTTv030100 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63qhBu019203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63qcu8036850; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52206.mail.yahoo.com (web52206.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB63qaXk036786 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 190 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 03:52:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jHTKcpow/GnYDI30tAp6Gix9tO/dxqKWxg4IKJI3Pw2qMKs0AuNx8+kH9OIUSpYl75cFjKHiKkNqXg/qjYd0d0gCx0Y0YmHSjXdoBPmVAOHg49eHKWZcsxmg1MDVge5z454QroeztbvLxkWw3pLQw2fBLzDEQvNGazAYj6GskVI= ; Message-ID: <20051206035228.188.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:52:28 EST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:52:28 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Forcast here for tonight -17 only. The dog won't even go outside. Edith Robin Netherton wrote: On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: > Use for drafts. I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. --Robin who woke up to the radio announcing 17 degrees temp outside today, with wind chill of 9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 22:57:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB63vdYo030178 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:57:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB63vDMS019739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63v9bt039242; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB63v4CV039145 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:56:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.58] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512060343.jB63eerY028889@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:56:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 03:56:59.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B609CD0:01C5FA19] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Just for fun... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >From: Jean Waddie >Looks good to me (who knows nothing about research from extant >materials). The thing I instantly wanted was a family tree to track who >the items were made by, and for, and who was making the comment. Yeah, you and me both :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 5 23:10:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB64AprW030402 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB64A79u021620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB64A1rC046721; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:10:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB649vW3046642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:09:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-1.sonic.net [209.148.113.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB649rFU003198 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:09:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43950F11.7020801@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:09:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have a simple, otherwise ordinary, rather cheap looking white batiste "lingerie" blouse with kimono 3/4 sleeves from circa 1912, which has all of its seams serged except the application of the high lace collar and lace cuffs. I suspect the lace collar and cuffs (which, BTW, are the places that tend to wear out first on these) have been replaced because they were just sewn on with no seam finish at all, whereas the rest of the blouse is quite neat. If anyone altered the blouse recently they entirely remade it and resewed all the seams and the bottom hem---possible but not too likely. The blouse is also made of machine-embroidered fabric, BTW, which was definitely available well before 1912. As for it being commercially made, it may well have been--many lingerie blouses were, but the labels are usually gone by this point, if the blouse ever had one. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > >>Hi. I have a dress in my collection, presumably commercially made, >>from about 1908, that has some serged seams, mainly the side seams as >>I recall. It is a white cotton lingerie dress with lots of lace >>insertion. >> >>Katy >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 00:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB652qxB031242 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:02:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB652LF8026655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB652HPX076107; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:02:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB652E21076046 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.19] (acty3019.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.19]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343415C36C for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:02:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:02:05 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants it. Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember his name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public TV (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 12/5/2005 6:27:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >nancy_kiel@hotmail.com writes: > >Still hasn't figured out a way to reasonably dispose of the 10yr-50yr old >cloth inherited from g'ma-in-law, which is ugly and smelly but has to be >really useful to someone, somewhere....) (The cloth, not the grandma.) > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 04:46:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB69jvw1003650 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:45:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB69jTpX067159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB69jNPo015350; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB69jIGu015315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-103-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.103]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jB69jE9x008470 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:45:16 +1100 Message-ID: <005801c5fa49$c62b4bd0$67d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: disposing of fabric Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:45:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: disposing of fabric > > I echo everyone else's suggestions about places to donate fabric you can't > use. But don't forget -- if it's really fabric that NO ONE wants (or, for > that matter, ripped old clothes and things like that) then both Goodwill > and > the Salvation Army sell fabric scrap. So never throw anything fabric away! > Give it where it will be used, even scrap is reusing. > > Gail Finke > I know a lot of charity shops sell natural fibre fabric scraps to mechanics who use it to soak up oil around their workshops (I assume other people buy them too but Mechanics is the only group I've heard of) I don't know if they could use synthetic fibres in the same way as they wouldn't absorb much. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 06:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6BVZ2B027311 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:31:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6BV3cN075421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6BUwQb065173; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6BUs2q065087 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.68.59.113 by BAY20-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:30:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.59.113] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5f83e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051205113415.01d43e30@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disposing of fabric Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:29:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:29:09 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 11:30:49.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[81C9A8B0:01C5FA58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jB6BVZ2B027311 And if it's just too hideous to inflict upon humans, your local animal shelter would welcome it to use for bedding or just rags. The shelter is also a good place to donate clothes, towels, and sheets that are too worn out for people but still have some use in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric At 11:24 05/12/2005, you wrote: >Is there a charity in your area that could use the fabric---perhaps >to make quilts? Or a school, for art projects? I too have trouble >throwing away any but the smallest scraps! My local centre for the less able (!) is glad of scraps and odd buttons and scraps of lace, braid and so on for their craft projects, as is my local junior school (5-11 years.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 06:51:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6BpX6Q001116 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6BpA9W081884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Bp6kS076300; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6Bp19m076212 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74560 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 11:50:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PwAUtElTl839I2q6wPHX6nJ/79+fbYvDtSjOr9xjmbIQKdnXz3xtVFeKfGELZxz2S7h5oJeyatc9FJ7lQRnOuTVth206rWpkY4mm1w3lnw5y2//NVX5wNJz3vRSl8Yh0FDUa64npOnS2FWCCd9WrsMoArPqY+TU85QGtyVdtVJE= ; Message-ID: <20051206115057.74558.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:50:57 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c5f809$b1597070$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Bjarne. Tissuepaper is the same as Silkepapir. A thin crinkly paper, that you can get almost everywhere. I would get an acid free. I have a couple of sheets you can have if you want Tania Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". Is this the same as Kitchen Rolls are made of? Because i got the advise to use this on hoop frames, when embroidering, cover the edge with this paper to protekt from dirt. Could i not just as well use a piece of calico, i have plenty of that..... Bjarne who now are going to watch swedish television, they have a series of 17th century kingdom, where poor and rich chanllenges eachother. Rich has bathtubs, poor dont even have soap to wash.......... Costumes are ok, but only one of the rich ladies gown fits propperly. It is so difficult to dress a lady in a rented dress with a low cut boatshape bust if it doesnt fit....... 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X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Judy Mitchell wrote: > very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had > wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started > (especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have > no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor > (who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! Hi! I tried calling the Norwegian Husqvarna branch to ask, but they were clueless. Unfortunately I don't have time to pursue this right now, but he gave me the number to the Swedish factory (or so he said): +4636146000, if you would like to contact them directly. The Swedish website also gives an e-mail address for the Swedish branch: sweden.info@vsmgroup.com. I don't know if they would know the history at that particular address, but they should be able to forward it to someone who does. According to Husquarna's webpage, they started manufacturing sewing machines in 1872. No mention is made specifically of sergers/overlockers, but they do give a link to a museum that seems like it covers the enitre tchnological history of the area, including the arms manufacture but also the sewing machines: http://www.husqvarna-museum.nu/ Maybe they would know! :) Hope this helps, Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 09:18:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6EIcwo014991 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EHQKi004658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EHN7t053880; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EHK68053848 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.81.174] (dialup-4.249.81.174.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.81.174]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EHFqd026026 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43959D71.3080105@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:17:21 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the dozens of > dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! perhaps it has to do with the nature of the garment? Katy described hers as a 'lingerie dress with lace insertion' and Fran has a 'lingerie blouse' both of which have serged seams, yet Kathleen's regular dresses are not serged. Sounds like either the 'lingerie' nature got serged, or different companies were sewing different methods and the serging was just coming in but not everywhere?? Interesting. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 09:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6EK6tc015027 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EIL4O004796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EILxl054416; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6EIIIb054388 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.81.174] (dialup-4.249.81.174.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.81.174]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6EIEMb026094 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:18:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43959DAC.2060006@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:18:20 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <001d01c5f94d$37796db0$0600a8c0@genteelarts> <4393B941.7030005@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Great! Thanks, Ingrid. I'll follow up on that. -Judy Mitchell Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Judy Mitchell wrote: > >> very interesting! Hmm, Merrow is saying early to mid- 1920s. I had >>wanted to write the Husqvarna company about when they started >>(especially since I'm particularly interested in Sweden), but they have >>no contact info and just want you to contact your local distributor >>(who, esp over here) won't have a clue to the answer! > > > Hi! I tried calling the Norwegian Husqvarna branch to ask, but they were > clueless. Unfortunately I don't have time to pursue this right now, but > he gave me the number to the Swedish factory (or so he said): > +4636146000, if you would like to contact them directly. The Swedish > website also gives an e-mail address for the Swedish branch: > sweden.info@vsmgroup.com. I don't know if they would know the history at > that particular address, but they should be able to forward it to > someone who does. > > According to Husquarna's webpage, they started manufacturing sewing > machines in 1872. No mention is made specifically of > sergers/overlockers, but they do give a link to a museum that seems like > it covers the enitre tchnological history of the area, including the > arms manufacture but also the sewing machines: > http://www.husqvarna-museum.nu/ Maybe they would know! :) > > Hope this helps, > Ingrid > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6F2ExA019433 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6F1VCh008603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:01:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6F1Tq8081390; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6F1Oel081337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.31] (pool180-31.patriot.net [209.249.180.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB6F1Fcd002113 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:01:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003301c5f83 e$70237580$8d00a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051205113415.01d43e30@127.0.0.1> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:01:12 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disposing of fabric Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I found a place in the Philadelphia area where I BOUGHT hideous fabric from the 1950s. 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Otherwise you could be destroying something that is EXACTLY what someone else is looking for. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:24:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6FObFW022046 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:24:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6FIrq6010394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FIoLQ093068; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FIjmC093014 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.226]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8339B5EE035 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:18:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Gosh, i found a new book wich is published in january. Its about embroidery teckniques of the 18th century. Amazon sells it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1133882199/sr=1-517/ref=sr_1_0_517/026-8705729-9238062 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6FQgVT022138 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6FPiNt011115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:25:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FPhpW097768; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FPdhD097657 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4395AE15.6070102@msn.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:28:21 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper References: <20051206115057.74558.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051206115057.74558.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 15:25:34.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D855E20:01C5FA79] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the hoop protected by the outer hoop? If it is the rest of the fabric you are worried about then I could see why you'd want to place a piece of tissue paper over the entire embroidery (with the inner hoop underneath) place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to work. Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light and easily torn). You could do the same I guess with a piece of calico (which I think we call muslin BTW) and cut a hole...maybe a little more expensive, but more durable. Sg > >Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, >Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 10:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6FqUOM022600 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6Fq0fM013971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6FpuPt019272; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6Fpnp8019114 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB3MN6QAC7A7ZA for (sender ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LBJ3DDLF; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:51:17 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:38:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] tissue paper Message-ID: <20051206.075031.1340.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 16:8:1581936383 X-MAIL-INFO: 5b01d960d9a1f50da1f54d09f54db441d4217d4430382174c4cd302574ad79557471c13901c00114d54d80f50109 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgrX3BtSmQAB+74uQhdf62Ps= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mine too. I've heard of doing that with non-fusible interfacing, but have never tried it. Arlys On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:28:21 -0700 WickedFrau writes: > Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the > > hoop protected by the outer hoop? If it is the rest of the fabric > you > are worried about then I could see why you'd want to place a piece > of > tissue paper over the entire embroidery (with the inner hoop > underneath) > place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want > to > work. Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. > Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. > It > is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very > light > and easily torn). > > You could do the same I guess with a piece of calico (which I think > we > call muslin BTW) and cut a hole...maybe a little more expensive, but > > more durable. > > Sg > > > > >Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi, > >Rats- my dictionary stinks. It doesnt have the word "tissue paper". > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 11:08:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6G8fGw023095 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6G1uZ7015332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6G1oak027325; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6G1jI0027155 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95402 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 16:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 16:01:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051206160025.01d88b30@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:00:56 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century In-Reply-To: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 15:18 06/12/2005, you wrote: >Gosh, i found a new book wich is published in january. >Its about embroidery teckniques of the 18th century. >Amazon sells it. >http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1133882199/sr=1-517/ref=sr_1_0_517/026-8705729-9238062 Oh, that's gone on my wish list - I have a birthday soon! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:00:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6H0vCC028669 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6H0CvJ023529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6H04kF077076; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Gxk3Y076817 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E713D06C for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:59:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4395C3C9.2060904@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:00:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) > that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill > that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw > out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants > it. Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember > his name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public > TV (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) > That's probably Magic Mike. I remember when he started offering boxes on rec.quilting. Nice to know his charitable efforts are still being supported by the companies. His original supplier cut him off thinking they could sell the scraps since people wanted them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:12:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HCvBj028906 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:12:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6HCFNc025071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HBxm9087577; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HBn6Y087362 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 39190907 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:13:54 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:56:58 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c5fa86$124ac9a0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 4, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Interesting thread on the history of overlock machines. I can probably save you some effort in the Husqvarna department--as far as I know, sergers are not manufactured by sewing machine companies. They are all made in various factories in China, Korea, and perhaps Japan. When you buy a serger labelled Singer or Viking or Bernina, whatever, it has been made NOT in their facotry, but to their specifications by one of the serger manufacturers. Kim (ex-sewing machine and serger dealer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:15:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HFKru028958 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:15:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6HEwmj025432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HEsdp090190; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HEjm9090046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-136.sonic.net [209.148.113.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HEMXc031846 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:14:39 -0800 Message-ID: <4395C6EC.2090300@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:14:20 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] commercial serger use References: <4393B231.3070503@theoldforest.net> <3586f5070512051417i1a9e12deqfb6dc9e87f30e989@mail.gmail.com> <002301c5fa15$e677df40$965083d1@rmitchellras> <43959D71.3080105@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <43959D71.3080105@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com A "lingerie" blouse or dress was merely a name used in the late 19th and early 20th centuries for a sheer white blouse or dress, embroidered and/or decorated with lace in a way that resembled fancy undergarments. I've collected a great many of them (I have over 100 lingerie blouses alone), and this is the only one I've seen with serged seams. However, unless someone went to the trouble of taking the entire blouse apart and remaking it, the serging is original. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Judy Mitchell wrote: > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >> Are you Sure that this dress was not altered some time? Of the >> dozens of >> dresses I have from this time period, none of them is serged! > > > > perhaps it has to do with the nature of the garment? Katy > described hers as a 'lingerie dress with lace insertion' and Fran has > a 'lingerie blouse' both of which have serged seams, yet Kathleen's > regular dresses are not serged. Sounds like either the 'lingerie' > nature got serged, or different companies were sewing different > methods and the serging was just coming in but not everywhere?? > Interesting. > > -Judy Mitchell > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:34:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HYpI1029286 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6HSAEr027116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HS7rw001757; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6HRxqR001615 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.181] (pm5-181.eos.net [205.133.149.181]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jB6HRsF9026117 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:27:56 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:17:10 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512061552.jB6FpvNb019282@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: pennsylvania charity guy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com michael tartaglio wrote: > > Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) > that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill > that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw > out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants > it. Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember > his name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public > TV (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) The show was called "Pennsylvania Quilts" and is pretty good. The man Michael mentioned, though, no longer collects fabric. He used to get waste from mills and distribute it for free, but now he is disabled and there are no more mills where he lives. But it was an inspirational story nevertheless, one of several about quilters of various kinds and types (family quilters, Amish quilters, art quilters, etc.) in the state. Gail finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 12:54:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6HsQFs029638 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6Hs1RV050001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hrt4L023290; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hrk4s023097 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jB6HreY09237 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:53:41 -0600 Message-ID: <4395D0CD.4000101@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:56:29 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century References: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ooh, and my birthday is next month! Thanks for the info, Bjarne. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 15:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6KUYUN032673 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:30:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6KPnWa080615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hvxu3027424; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bellerophon.concentric.com (bellerophon.concentric.com [207.155.248.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Hvom2027277 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by bellerophon.concentric.com id MAA22214; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:57:48 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200512061757.MAA22214@bellerophon.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:57:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200512061554.jB6FpvNc019282@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB6Hvom2027277 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] No Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I recently finished an embroidery project using reeled silk. What with my nasty rough hands and putting it into and out of the work bag I can certainly understand covering up all but the part being worked. The bag is gorgeous but snags like crazy. I keep it in a plastic food bag before putting it into my work bag. I'm afraid to wear it because it snags so easily. Julie ---- wrote: >> Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the > hoop protected by the outer hoop? If it is the rest of the fabric you > are worried about then I could see why you'd want to place a piece of > tissue paper over the entire embroidery (with the inner hoop underneath) > place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to > work. Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. > Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It > is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light > and easily torn). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 18:57:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB6NvZH8004459 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:57:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB6Nv9aO015618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6Nuxxn040096; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6NuidO039863 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.19c.411ea2e8 (57341) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.411ea2e8.30c77d3b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:48:11 EST Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you want it to be correct for 18th century British army, you have to be very careful about the shape of the lapels (the turn backs). And the pattern of the lacing (the braid) can be quite tricky, too. (I think you'd be working from the 1740s clothing regs.) Would recommend contacting lace wars (the re-enactment group) - especially Mark, through the 18th century bit of the LH site. He's far more up on this than me, as most of the 18th C stuff I do is civilian. It's dead right that military clothing follows civilian in style, although for the average uniform there's a bit of a time lag. Of course, all this depends how accurate you want it to be - if you just think the general cut's cool and want to give it a shot, you don't necessarily have to worry about the regimental lacing and lapel shapes and all that. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70W9UQ004912 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70VYPT019368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70VYrT067518; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6GBlZx035599 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b4.19072b2 (15863) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df74395b82f291; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:11:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:11:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7C896D86237E1-10B4-24C@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: Received: from 24.136.228.26 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:11:26 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oops...hit send before I finished saying what I wanted to say.... The coats we made were essentially just like a civilian coat except for the reveres [the folded back sections on the front] and the mariner cuffs. Ours were rather full in the back [because it was 1757] but the get narrower and more cut away as the century progresses. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a long time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me :-) Thank you for any and all help. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70W9OY004913 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70Vjov019423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70VjGm067652; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB6HTlEv003257 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005120612290830904 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:29:08 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id jB6HShMA022192 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sergers-Juki? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What about Juki? Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kim baird Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:57 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] sergers Interesting thread on the history of overlock machines. I can probably save you some effort in the Husqvarna department--as far as I know, sergers are not manufactured by sewing machine companies. They are all made in various factories in China, Korea, and perhaps Japan. When you buy a serger labelled Singer or Viking or Bernina, whatever, it has been made NOT in their facotry, but to their specifications by one of the serger manufacturers. Kim (ex-sewing machine and serger dealer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:33:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70XMpW004929 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70X9Y7019698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70X7PU068799; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB704QRh046335 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d4.49b4c7b9 (57341) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.49b4c7b9.30c78103@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:04:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: tissue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've obviously missed a chunk of this somewhere along the line, so sorry if am repeating. > Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the > >hoop protected by the outer hoop? The main reason to use the tissue is to protect the fabric from the hoop itself, as it can cause indentations if working with a soft fabric. Also, if the hoop you have to hand is smaller than the overall piece, and you have to reposition it, the tissue will protect the work you've already done from being squashed by the hoop. Plus, I tend to find that my fingers always overlap the edge of the hoop (I use quite thin wooden ones), and the natural oils from my fingers will sooner or later mucky up the bit I'm holding. If I can manage to hold onto tissue instead that doesn't happen as much, so easier to clean. >If it is the rest of the fabric you > are worried about then I could see why > you'd want to >place a piece of tissue paper over the entire embroidery > (with the inner hoop >underneath) > >place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to > >work. That's exactly the way you're meant to use it. (But that's much better but than when I tried to describe it.) >Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > > >differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. Silk paper here (UK) is also quite expensive (couple of quid a sheet), and is the handmade stuff with raw silk in it - it's an art paper, and I wouldn't ever suggest using that (the uneven texture could in fact do more harm than good with a particularly delicate piece). > >Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It > >is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light > >and easily torn). That's what tissue is in the UK, too. Although we tend to use wrapping paper for gifts instead. As a guide, a ream (500 sheets) of tissue paper about A2 sized would cost me about 8 pounds (I think - something like that). I also always try to use acid free tissue, as well (although if only a quick job it wouldn't matter *that* much). I just tend to keep projects going for ages, so like to be safe! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 19:36:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB70akXw004983 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:36:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB70VMvT019326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB70VGOo067277; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB6G6lxX031205 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.287.149a028 (15888) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e104395b70b283; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7C8962AC55D55-10B4-1C1@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: Received: from 24.136.228.26 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:35 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Why, that looks like the coats I made for "Last of the Mohicans". -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:53:09 +0000 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century military jacket pattern Hi there, the 18th century has some truly nifty clothes and i decided i just have to make something. It's likely that this will take a long time and end up somewhat crap but i'd like to try anyway :-) I'm looking for a pattern for a coat like this man is wearing. http://www.gilliesandsaxxon.com/Redcoat.htm I'm not really sure where to start because i don't know the proper name for it (redcoat?) and wondered if you fine people could help me :-) Thank you for any and all help. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 20:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB71SYWo005727 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB71PpLY025670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB719NYu094178; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB718EGJ092959 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.122] (acty2122.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.122]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0D5C515 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439635F4.7010903@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:08:04 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> <4395C3C9.2060904@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4395C3C9.2060904@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yep, that's the name I remember. I guess he is still in "business" so to speak...Can you reach him still at rec.quilting? Thanks, Mike T. >> > > That's probably Magic Mike. I remember when he started offering boxes > on rec.quilting. Nice to know his charitable efforts are still being > supported by the companies. His original supplier cut him off thinking > they could sell the scraps since people wanted them. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 6 22:05:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB734x4v007183 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:04:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB734KE7035011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB734F62067922; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB734B36067848 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 38288189 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:20:48 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sergers-Juki? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:04:26 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c5fada$ef73ded0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 8, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Good question. I know they make sergers, but evidently they make other sewing machines as well as other industrial equipment. I THINK they may have gotten into the domestic machine market after their beginnings in industrial machines. Anybody know? Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:29 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] sergers-Juki? What about Juki? Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kim baird Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:57 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] sergers Interesting thread on the history of overlock machines. I can probably save you some effort in the Husqvarna department--as far as I know, sergers are not manufactured by sewing machine companies. They are all made in various factories in China, Korea, and perhaps Japan. When you buy a serger labelled Singer or Viking or Bernina, whatever, it has been made NOT in their facotry, but to their specifications by one of the serger manufacturers. Kim (ex-sewing machine and serger dealer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 01:03:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB763FKv009519 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:03:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB762hJd050987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB762eJu072846; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB762ZQU072806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0006.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.6]:2133 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EjsNu-0007aC-1r for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <43967AF7.1060201@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:02:31 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512051345.jB5Djm56061143@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512051345.jB5Djm56061143@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Using poly knits from the sixties. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I belonged to a ladies church group who were making lap robes for the wheelchair bound at a local nursing home. The nursing home requested polyknits such as you mentioned as useless because nothing stained them, they never wore out and they were just enough to protect from drafts and chills when backed with a cotton without any batting or fill. the poly knits were cut into 4 or six inch squares and sewed into about a 2'x3' or 2.5'x3' cover backed with a cotton which is also used for ties. there were yarn ties at each corner or maybe the center of each square and that was it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 01:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB76SY5x009803 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB76Rv9T053077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB76RpTg086079; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52213.mail.yahoo.com (web52213.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB76Rncn086005 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 36546 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 06:27:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y6tOLdgC3PFWxxAJ+OMz6ancRycfvQCYebj1tCZnjexok0L96vEHESS2LRyiKHunPJMp3v7oai1q8oyffmExSsGWpmT9goRpigALyOOiLvxTCXQo3wijPuNR/EGzu2OsVwNoci3QwTKWUwXZw0oQnS+uJwRrZe6VolvCuQSVasM= ; Message-ID: <20051207062743.36544.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:27:43 EST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:27:43 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <439635F4.7010903@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I did a little searching and found this http://www.nepanetwork.com/magicmik/ Doesn't sound like he's doing that great health wise. Brin michael tartaglio wrote: Yep, that's the name I remember. I guess he is still in "business" so to speak...Can you reach him still at rec.quilting? Thanks, Mike T. >> > > That's probably Magic Mike. I remember when he started offering boxes > on rec.quilting. Nice to know his charitable efforts are still being > supported by the companies. His original supplier cut him off thinking > they could sell the scraps since people wanted them. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 02:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB77XIXq015896 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:33:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB77W7on057752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB77VqPU016660; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB77Vk36016527 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-1-199.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.1.199]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2005 15:31:40 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:38:45 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses for sale. Thanks, Aylwen Garden -------- Original Message -------- Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST From: ended@ebay.com To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au Dear cottager87, We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item listing(s): 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled. We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information: In Title: Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. 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Regards, eBay Trust & Safety _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 04:32:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB79W98c007663 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB79VVj6074058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79VQ0c075780; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79VNUS075693 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD1BE7BD for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:31:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:31:15 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery teckniques of 18th century References: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004f01c5fa78$5786d1c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051207093116.D6BD1BE7BD@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yum! That book is now on my wish list. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Gosh, i found a new book wich is published in january. > Its about embroidery teckniques of the 18th century. > Amazon sells it. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861084765/qid=1133882199/sr=1-517/ref=sr_1_0_517/026-8705729-9238062 > > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 04:40:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB79eNdL008434 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB79dgcu076288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79deP2079830; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB79daYe079766 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([64.0.176.12]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:36:37 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:39:38 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <003b01c5fb12$244e1fd0$0cb00040@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX7AQBjpp2zlLWyQaG46MxFU+I2EgAEMpHw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 09:36:37.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8068CE0:01C5FB11] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I might imagine it was because of the movies recently made or coming soon; the original P&P is surely out of copyright (author death + 75 yrs if IRC) Perhaps there is some sort of appeal process? Just my .02 lira, Betsy (Ebay buyer, not seller) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A & J Garden Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses for sale. Thanks, Aylwen Garden -------- Original Message -------- Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST From: ended@ebay.com To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au Dear cottager87, We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item listing(s): 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled. We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information: In Title: Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. This typically occurs when members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. * Use of Brand Names: Our policy does not permit members to include any brand names in the listing title other than the specific brand name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item being offered in the listing. * Custom-made items: Although an item may be fabricated to visually match a specific product line of a recognized brand name, members are not permitted to include the name of the product line, or the related brand name in the listing title. * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand names. This means that although a celebrity may have worn a similar item, or made such an item popular in current pop-culture, members are not permitted to use the names of these celebrities or known figures in the listing title. Our policy permits a seller to use *one* name as a comparison within the subtitle or description section of the listing. For more information on Keyword Spamming visit the following Help page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension. Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following locations: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html For more information on why eBay removes multiple item listings, or to write to us with questions, please review the following Web page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/listing-ended.html We thank you in advance for your cooperation. Regards, eBay Trust & Safety _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 06:29:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7BTcsF031855 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7BTDJL091088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7BT9tv037484; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7BSVj4036648 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.219.e98d4e4 (17377) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:28:13 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <219.e98d4e4.30c8214d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:28:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/7/2005 2:33:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand names. I can understand the author, I guess, even though Jane Austen has been dead quite a few years. So, I guess you can only use her name if you are actually selling a book she wrote. Guess you will have to stick to "Regency" era and hope people know what that means. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 07:29:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7CToHf012356 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7CTK0w095947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7CTE4j070764; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7CTAGd070679 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D47A319450 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:29:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:29:05 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051207122905.0D47A319450@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I understand wy ebay say's it is spam.. You sell regency style dresses and not a dress from the movie. And the dress is also not from Jane Austen. But you could say Jane Austen style in the discription of the item. But it is a bit weird that they are sending this now. It happends so often that people use a movie title to sell their costumes. And it makes it very difficult to get the right people to see you auction. But on the otherhand maby people will do a little more research if they want a dress in style of a perticulary book or movie. Not that I think that will happen. How many times people asked me to make a medieval dress and alway's start with telling me they want a hoopskirt..... A & J Garden wrote: > Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not > realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses > for sale. > Thanks, Aylwen Garden > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST > From: ended@ebay.com > To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au > > > > Dear cottager87, > > We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item > listing(s): > > 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown > > > However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming > policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all > associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated > with the transaction that it has been cancelled. > > We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of > your listing is not permitted. > > Your listing(s) contains the following information: > > In Title: > Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice > > > Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. This typically occurs when > members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title > or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting > members to a listing. > > * Use of Brand Names: Our policy does not permit members to include > any brand names in the listing title other than the specific brand > name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item being > offered in the listing. > > * Custom-made items: Although an item may be fabricated to visually > match a specific product line of a recognized brand name, members are > not permitted to include the name of the product line, or the related > brand name in the listing title. > > * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not > permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, > authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the > specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or > officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the > perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being > synonymous with brand names. > > This means that although a celebrity may have worn a similar item, or > made such an item popular in current pop-culture, members are not > permitted to use the names of these celebrities or known figures in > the listing title. > Our policy permits a seller to use *one* name as a comparison within > the subtitle or description section of the listing. > For more information on Keyword Spamming visit the following Help page: > > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html > > > Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in > forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account > privileges and account suspension. > > > Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the > following locations: > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html > > For more information on why eBay removes multiple item listings, or to > write to us with questions, please review the following Web page: > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/listing-ended.html > > We thank you in advance for your cooperation. > > Regards, > > eBay Trust & Safety > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 08:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7DLrwQ013367 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7DLN8v099583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DLI2R098652; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DLBn0098580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jB7DD2fN019594 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:13:02 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:13:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4396E1C6.7090107@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:21:10 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> <20051207122905.0D47A319450@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051207122905.0D47A319450@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Deredere Galbraith wrote: > But it is a bit weird that they are sending this now. Probably people report suspect cases if they see them, but that means the enforcement is very random. There are many examples of bad keywords on eBay! One of my favorite titles I saw on eBay was "Medieval Amish Celtic Gown." It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides. Those Medieval Amish, those jokers! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 08:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7DSIwE013504 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7DRoo8000323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DRkkB002558; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7DRh9s002526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.148] (pool180-148.patriot.net [209.249.180.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB7DRQlK012837 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:27:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:26:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I'm guessing the listing would have been fine six months ago, but now with the movie coming out it has become a brand name. Funny thing about celebrity names and fashion - I know exactly what Madonna boots are, or a Jackie-O pillbox. People's names become synonymous with a style. For e-Bay, I would know what someone meant by a Queen Elizabeth I style. If they said J-Lo, they could mean something J-Lo actually wore or owned, an original or a copy of her fashion line, or a copy of one of her red-carpet gowns. I suppose that's why they need to draw the line somewhere. Maybe it would be ok to use "Austen" in the description without the "Jane". Unfortunately we (historic costumers) use movie titles all the time, like Ever After and Shakespeare in Love. Not to mention the fantasy film inspirations! Does this mean you can't sell a Queen Amidalla style gown? And with artists: Watteau, Gibson and Vermeer all tell me something about the item. Your gowns will become popular because of the movie, perhaps with people who don't know terms like Regency, Federal, Empire, etc. Too bad they won't allow the keywords that will help people find them. -Carol >Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did >not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency >dresses for sale. >Thanks, Aylwen Garden >Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 09:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7E2xSk014055 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:02:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7E2Q9J002769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7E2Lch021380; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7E2IN2021305 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.f1edb97 (58550) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.f1edb97.30c84558@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:02:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:22:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1149513182.bbb5d7@thibault.org writes: One of my favorite titles I saw on eBay was "Medieval Amish Celtic Gown." It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides. Those Medieval Amish, those jokers! Hey, eBay isn't filtering for stupidity! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 09:24:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7EOVO4014470 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7ENoaE004544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7ENmnh034281; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7ENi8c034211 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8113C97C5 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD2811E8 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:23:38 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:38 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:23:37 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D9BCB5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 784 Thread-Index: AcX7MnIKwewLWcU+Rz+XYM8igDwV+gABrbhw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 14:23:38.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0A24410:01C5FB39] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB7ENi8c034211 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 784 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Good question. I know they make sergers, but evidently they make other > sewing machines as well as other industrial equipment. > > I THINK they may have gotten into the domestic machine market after > their beginnings in industrial machines. > > Anybody know? I have a non-industrial serger by Juki (bought last year). I assume this means they are in the domestic machine market as well :-) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 09:25:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7EP33N014492 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:25:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7EOkN3004607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7EOkiV034817; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7EOhNH034743 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:24:37 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:24:25 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th C plates on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This may have been mentioned already but just in case; http://cgi.ebay.com/1786-DIDEROT-LACE-MAKING-decorative-feathers-etc_W0QQitemZ6584496015QQcategoryZ29223QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Not quite my period but very interesting to look through anyway. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 11:15:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7GFeMD016469 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GAnjI016260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:10:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GAiNm007752; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB7GAe4H007697 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from unicorn@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 14673 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2005 08:09:19 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14656, pid: 14658, t: 2.2256s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO Cyhiraeth) (69.4.129.166) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 08:09:16 -0800 Message-ID: <005501c5fb48$c05e74c0$6401a8c0@Cyhiraeth> From: "Joan Broneske" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:10:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is really odd! Maybe it's because you have Jane Austin and Pride and Prejudice together? Maybe if it was one or the other, or said "Jane Austin style dress" or "era dress"? I don't know...I've never seen anything like this. I would write to them right away and find out what the deal is. . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 11:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7GMEba016714 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:22:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GHQNG017092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GHPtM013356; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GHJfr013187 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jB7GHAU04764.; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:17:10 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:17:10 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:17:02 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB7GHJfr013187 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The proposed website for our Renaissance music group still hasn't got off the ground, but you can now see a couple of photos of me in costume on the Sealed Knot Living History Group website http://livinghistorygroup.co.uk/musicians.htm . In the first, I'm wearing a linen Hollar-style cap made from Kass McGann's pattern. I know the forehead cloth with it is probably not strictly correct, but it hides my thick fringe (bangs) which is inappropriate for the period. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:00:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7H0GW6017435 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:00:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GwtiY023139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GwsHP048369; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52203.mail.yahoo.com (web52203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB7GCBXk008835 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 37068 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 16:12:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AYVje/jCuJZY5c/+ijOAQ+1dxLmpyUDz8GmN1JLRa7wnoR0ITw3mjmskiQ3we6TgBdQL7UYf44LfIY+K3Op/SvHFTDFPiydxuRAkDJMdr1hnx5dg0n4C3xx+EjEgI1TwjXzZ9MJr1qjeXqz+MsF5zJlV/TnIRvcjTZbuUuncBnY= ; Message-ID: <20051207161205.37066.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:12:05 EST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20f.f1edb97.30c84558@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com They drive me crazy I put 2 videos on tiling under tiling supplies, 60% the right catagory according to their system. I had one removed because I put video in the title according to ebay they have to go under movies and dvds??? Brin AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:22:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1149513182.bbb5d7@thibault.org writes: One of my favorite titles I saw on eBay was "Medieval Amish Celtic Gown." It was a brown tunic without gores -- just straight sides. Those Medieval Amish, those jokers! Hey, eBay isn't filtering for stupidity! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:02:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7H2MiX017463 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:02:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GuH7R022499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GuAla045856; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7E4cpu022686 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.274.1a464fb (58550) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <274.1a464fb.30c845ec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:04:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:28:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: I'm guessing the listing would have been fine six months ago, but now with the movie coming out it has become a brand name Actually, the TITLE of the movie can't be branded--titles can't be copyrighted, and especially not when the original book was published 200 years ago. But it does seem there has to be a way around the particular wording--like, as someone suggested, Austen-style? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:04:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7H4F81017506 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:04:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7GwcSO023067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7GwbfW048150; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7FoEWP092329 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.27]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ek1Yb-0007lV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4575619.1133970613004.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:50:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Uh-oh. Where does that leave such items as Eisenhower jackets, Peter Pan collars, Eton jackets, Mae Wests (life preservers), and other eponymous garments? ;.} --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden Sent: Dec 7, 2005 2:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses for sale. Thanks, Aylwen Garden -------- Original Message -------- Subject: eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming (=LS &7193 JM5023424) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:44 PST From: ended@ebay.com To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au Dear cottager87, We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following multiple item listing(s): 8359259226 - Regency Dress: Jane Austen 1800s Pride Prejudice Gown However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled. We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information: In Title: Jane Austen 1800s Pride & Prejudice Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. This typically occurs when members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. * Use of Brand Names: Our policy does not permit members to include any brand names in the listing title other than the specific brand name used by the company that manufactured or produced the item being offered in the listing. * Custom-made items: Although an item may be fabricated to visually match a specific product line of a recognized brand name, members are not permitted to include the name of the product line, or the related brand name in the listing title. * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand names. This means that although a celebrity may have worn a similar item, or made such an item popular in current pop-culture, members are not permitted to use the names of these celebrities or known figures in the listing title. Our policy permits a seller to use *one* name as a comparison within the subtitle or description section of the listing. For more information on Keyword Spamming visit the following Help page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension. Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following locations: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html For more information on why eBay removes multiple item listings, or to write to us with questions, please review the following Web page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/listing-ended.html We thank you in advance for your cooperation. Regards, eBay Trust & Safety _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 12:39:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7Hdr86018072 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7HYOov029425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HY6JY080107; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HXj3G079816 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 846787948 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:33:42 -0600 Message-ID: <043501c5fb54$63e788b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <274.1a464fb.30c845ec@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:33:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think the basic problem is that the words were in the TITLE of the auction. If you put similar words and phrases in a conversational manner in the description of the items, I think you would be okay. I think the main problem is they are trying to make the search results (for people who search by title only) more accurate. On the other hand, there seems to be little rhyme or reason why ebay does some of the things they do, because I've seen my share of completely bogus listings with clearly misleading titles and descriptions (like a pyramid scheme with the title "18th century Irish spinning wheel!) and no amount of complaining to ebay removed the items or the seller. If I were you, I'd re-list it with those words in the description, but avoid mentioning "movie". Like : "Are you a big fan of Jane Austen? You will love this stunning gown that is a modern example of the styles described in Pride and Prejudice." (or whatever). People who search by looking at titles *and* descriptions will still find this item, and you can assure people who *know* what they are looking for by using a very accurate title. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 13:04:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7I4msS018441 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:04:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7HtZFS032318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HtVLR099037; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7HtPmM098829 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D453CF0D for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:34:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43971D3C.9010709@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:34:52 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> <005501c5fb48$c05e74c0$6401a8c0@Cyhiraeth> In-Reply-To: <005501c5fb48$c05e74c0$6401a8c0@Cyhiraeth> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Joan Broneske wrote: > This is really odd! Maybe it's because you have Jane Austin and Pride > and Prejudice together? Maybe if it was one or the other, or said "Jane > Austin style dress" or "era dress"? I don't know...I've never seen > anything like this. I would write to them right away and find out what > the deal is. I'd be surprised if they answered. Ebay has really bad "customer service". What keywords are other people using to list regency clothing? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 13:14:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7IEFGM018577 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7I9jXJ034373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7I9XIh011774; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7I9Q7l011629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jB7I9KuX024966 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.55 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49551.64.156.242.55.1133978964.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <043501c5fb54$63e788b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <274.1a464fb.30c845ec@aol.com> <043501c5fb54$63e788b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com How did people work it out when selling Titanic era dresses? If someone was a fan of a period movie, they might search on the movie title to see what merchandise was available. They might not have thought about a repro gown until seeing it come up in the search. Why shouldn't someone be able to get that exposure? It sounds like they're making too broad a rule. When I rule the entire world, things will be different ... :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 13:33:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7IXOX8018875 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7IT9IG037414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IT5TC029418; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IT0qL029310 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.78.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.78] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ek42F-0005Dy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <43973701.1010300@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:24:49 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Juki home sergers References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06D9BCB5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > > >>Good question. I know they make sergers, but evidently they make other >>sewing machines as well as other industrial equipment. >> >>I THINK they may have gotten into the domestic machine market after >>their beginnings in industrial machines. >> >>Anybody know? > > > I have a non-industrial serger by Juki (bought last year). I assume this means they are in the domestic machine market as well :-) > -sunny I adore my Juki non-industrial serger. I've had it for...let's see...14 years and have never had a problem. I've bought them for both academic costume shops I've worked in as well, and they've been great. They're more expensive than other brands, but they also work MUCH better. Melanie Schuessler Eastern Michigan University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 14:01:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7J1mJ0019468 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:01:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7IvVf6042428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IvPqx055846; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7IvK2G055640 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:57:11 -0800 Message-ID: <43973088.1030308@msn.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:57:12 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 18:57:11.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[07989700:01C5FB60] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Cool! I don't know about the correctness of the forehead cloth or not. Think I am remembering correctly- Fynn Morryson states that women on the continent wore forehead cloths "out and about" where as English women did not... Sg Kate M Bunting wrote: >The proposed website for our Renaissance music group still hasn't got off the ground, but you can now see a couple of photos of me in costume on the Sealed Knot Living History Group website http://livinghistorygroup.co.uk/musicians.htm . In the first, I'm wearing a linen Hollar-style cap made from Kass McGann's pattern. I know the forehead cloth with it is probably not strictly correct, but it hides my thick fringe (bangs) which is inappropriate for the period. > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 14:36:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7JaPgC019994 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:36:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7JVqgS047796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7JVhpX087648; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB7JVFdn087271 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28054 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2005 19:31:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oY1kdcA57CCygbSii3e8ic9G+1i6CSzhGpt8YpBSkA45hVDP02OjaCgh/HyBfn41BbV9oFXpCLKNGSPiJG/+C2+hN94wfR+nYJscYe1u2FHX41dpBb7clyMzemjlu9JccnocmOHjAgta8iULspplekp/0+rFb2fu7WJ3PfeMlOo= ; Message-ID: <20051207193109.28052.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:31:09 PST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512071903.jB7J0ChK058462@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Kate and the forehead cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com your forehead cloth puts me in mind of the cap and undercap combination worn by the early moravian settlers in North Carolina. (haube?) The interpreters in Old Salem up in Winston-Salem still wear them sometimes. It gives a very non-18th cent/non-american look 18 cent Mia in CHarlottetown --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. 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Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 7/12/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-43974FDC197C======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=======AVGMAIL-43974FDC197C=======-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 16:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7LrI6T022195 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7Lhn5H066121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7Lhckj099078; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7LhRY5098861 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB7LhLFJ003370 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:43:21 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2005 16:43:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4h171h$1icqeok@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,226,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1691171604:sNHT23105222" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:43:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcX7dztesmUxzrPeQQOqTwGdzT7R7g== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 17:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7M7Nqk022602 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:07:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7Lw2aJ068239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7LvoFV011128; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7LvYPU010877 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005120721572901300cch7he>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:57:29 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:57:29 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:57:29 +0000 Message-Id: <120720052157.4246.43975AC9000039DE0000109622058861729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Rebecca, I always suggest "The Embroidery Stitch Bible" by Betty Barnden, ISBN 0873495101, to my beginning students. The other one I would suggest is "Encyclopedia of Needlework" by Donna Kooler, ISBN 1574861840. I had a few others, but I have doled those out to a couple of my needlework students. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > > ******************************************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 17:13:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB7MD2wS022863 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:13:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB7M8rQe069641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7M8m4g020361; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB7M8deN020179 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 832964437 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:08:34 -0600 Message-ID: <055c01c5fb7a$cb395040$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <120720052157.4246.43975AC9000039DE0000109622058861729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:08:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Rebecca, I have one I really like. Lots of step-by-step photos and it's spiral bound so it lays flat. A~Z of Embroidery Stitches from the publishers of Inspirations Magazine ISBN 0646320025 I haven't had it more than a couple of years, but I don't know if it's still available new. The copyright is 1997. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 7 21:31:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB82VSbR027337 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:31:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB82TPXo017943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB82TK7t012624; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB82TGOe012605 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m50.in-tch.com [216.166.191.50]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jB82Lak28510 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:21:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006a01c5fba0$2088c2e0$32bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <120720052157.4246.43975AC9000039DE0000109622058861729C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:35:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My favorite suggestion would be Erica Wilson's Embroidery Book, but it's rather distinctly out of print. ;o( --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please > Rebecca, > > I always suggest "The Embroidery Stitch Bible" by Betty Barnden, ISBN 0873495101, to my beginning students. The other one I would suggest is "Encyclopedia of Needlework" by Donna Kooler, ISBN 1574861840. I had a few others, but I have doled those out to a couple of my needlework students. > > Roscelin > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > Rebecca Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 01:15:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB86F3d6030549 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB86C6Y1041397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB86BxX4031450; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB86BtMs031350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB87ldX1005678 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:47:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] eBay Listing Removed: Keyword Spamming Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:14:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43969185.3080702@earthlydelights.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512080114.15660.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Wednesday 07 December 2005 2:38 am, A & J Garden wrote: > Hi, just want to warn others - I got this message tonight - I did not > realise I was spamming. What are your thoughts? I make Regency dresses > for sale. > Thanks, Aylwen Garden I don't sell on EBay (though I often shop there) but my guess is that the following portion of their canned message to you explains the problem. [snip] > * Use of Celebrity or Artist Names: At present, our policy does not > permit members to include celebrity names, or the names of artists, > authors, or other known figures in the listing title other than the > specific celebrity or known figure that has created, written or officially > endorsed the item being offered in the listing. From the perspective of > our policy, celebrity names are treated as being synonymous with brand > names. You mentioned "Jane Austen" in the heading, so it was probably flagged automatically by their system even though she's been dead nearly 200 years. :-) It may also be that their policy prohibits the use of movie titles in item captions also. > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html Might help explain too. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 09:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8E63Io002273 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:06:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8E4B64091047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8E44Fg083009; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8E41mE082949 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E697E18F4C for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb39.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.439476e7.252ea for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DmD1QATF+zQIAAAAB,246cade28479560dd92abe1449be5258 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051208060400.FBF2B658@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I felt so sorry for the 'beast' ...... poor thing..... But yes, there certainly was some eye candy. Joannah. --- "Helen Pinto" wrote: From: "Helen Pinto" Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:22:12 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume movies Bjarne wrote: > There was also a film i liked called The company of the Warewolf, or > something like that. French but two bloody and two much fighting in it. > Costumes are very nice though. If it was released only a couple of years ago, you probably mean "Le Pacte des Loups", released in the US as "Brotherhood of the Wolf". You're right about the blood and the fighting; it is, more or less, an 18th c martial arts movie. (But I like those...) And it did have some nice eye candy... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 09:51:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8Epolf003053 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:51:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8EhWLC095035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8EhU6R006663; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8EhR1i006627 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 17DC847FED9 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:43:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004101c5fc05$c22c5b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Kate, How nice finally to be able to know how you look like. I surfed at your site and it looks great. It must be very fun to have such a group. I am very fund of early music including 17th century, and it is such a joy to hear it. Always admired people who could perform music, i never learned, but then again, you cant do it all - or what? Thanks for sharing.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pics of me online at last > The proposed website for our Renaissance music group still hasn't got off > the ground, but you can now see a couple of photos of me in costume on the > Sealed Knot Living History Group website > http://livinghistorygroup.co.uk/musicians.htm . In the first, I'm wearing > a linen Hollar-style cap made from Kass McGann's pattern. I know the > forehead cloth with it is probably not strictly correct, but it hides my > thick fringe (bangs) which is inappropriate for the period. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 10:46:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8FkmUp003871 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:46:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8Fgqm7002105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8FT5UV037435; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8FSwu2037316 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AA4826289E for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:28:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006601c5fc0c$21b60030$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1d4.49b4c7b9.30c78103@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: tissue Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:29:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, Thanks for enlightening me, Well tissue paper is quit cheap here two, but i stick to calico. I have zigzagged a few pieces cut out for the right hoop frames, and i can wash them frequently. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: tissue > I've obviously missed a chunk of this somewhere along the line, so sorry > if > am repeating. > >> Hmmmm, you have my curiosity up. Isn't the edge of the fabric on the >> >hoop protected by the outer hoop? > > The main reason to use the tissue is to protect the fabric from the hoop > itself, as it can cause indentations if working with a soft fabric. Also, > if the > hoop you have to hand is smaller than the overall piece, and you have to > reposition it, the tissue will protect the work you've already done from > being > squashed by the hoop. Plus, I tend to find that my fingers always overlap > the > edge of the hoop (I use quite thin wooden ones), and the natural oils from > my > fingers will sooner or later mucky up the bit I'm holding. If I can > manage to > hold onto tissue instead that doesn't happen as much, so easier to clean. > >>If it is the rest of the fabric you > are worried about then I could see >>why >> you'd want to >place a piece of tissue paper over the entire embroidery >> (with the inner hoop >underneath) >> >place the outer hoop on top, then tear the paper off where you want to >> >work. > > That's exactly the way you're meant to use it. (But that's much better > but > than when I tried to describe it.) > >>Not to argue with Tania-you guys "over there" call stuff > >> >differently than we, but silk paper over here is rather expensive. > > Silk paper here (UK) is also quite expensive (couple of quid a sheet), and > is > the handmade stuff with raw silk in it - it's an art paper, and I wouldn't > ever suggest using that (the uneven texture could in fact do more harm > than good > with a particularly delicate piece). > >> >Tissue paper is really cheap and is mostly used for wrapping gifts. It > >> >is the same as the paper most patterns are made of over here (very light >> >and easily torn). > > That's what tissue is in the UK, too. Although we tend to use wrapping > paper > for gifts instead. As a guide, a ream (500 sheets) of tissue paper about > A2 > sized would cost me about 8 pounds (I think - something like that). > > I also always try to use acid free tissue, as well (although if only a > quick > job it wouldn't matter *that* much). I just tend to keep projects going > for > ages, so like to be safe! > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8JLqHT007681 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8JJ96T063161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JJ4cC048557; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:19:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JIwS2048490 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B3C6926282A for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:18:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c5fc2c$448ed8a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4h171h$1icqeok@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:19:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com DEAR Rebecca There is no such thing as a beginner (i hope not) You combine stitch and stitch and become at last Master embroiderer I would love to be gifted with a stitch dictionary If i didnt know anything at all. Then i would know something. You know i have still problems with my email Dont know what to do. Do i have to buy a new harddisk? My mother considers me a whit? jarne. From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > > ******************************************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8JOjgK007750 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:24:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8JNABl064919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JMwqN052129; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JMeQH051900 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5570.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.112]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5585A47FF03 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:22:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003a01c5fc2c$c8ed4280$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:22:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8JZKx8007976 for ; 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Message-ID: <20051208141044.94264.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:10:44 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006a01c5fba0$2088c2e0$32bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sue Clemenger wrote: My favorite suggestion would be Erica Wilson's Embroidery Book, but it's rather distinctly out of print. ;o( --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please > Rebecca, > > I always suggest "The Embroidery Stitch Bible" by Betty Barnden, ISBN 0873495101, to my beginning students. The other one I would suggest is "Encyclopedia of Needlework" by Donna Kooler, ISBN 1574861840. I had a few others, but I have doled those out to a couple of my needlework students. > > Roscelin > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > > My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list "book on embroidery for > > beginners". Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > Rebecca Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 14:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8Jikfl008123 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8JcnQJ071053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8JclLM066196; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB8JcgIC066059 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58202 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2005 19:38:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jWq2SAi53NCtv9OPma72ZJ5o9UOEH4p5RXEn0GUr6emVKhamRPCKLZEBsGdadhus84N0XU8jNEfZkbCaIYze8EfkoM3Hw9IOGCkSo5HhPve83ZfXdZrFhE2j2JbtYQ4G9U8D2ipOxyRBkEDlXMOJXbg0U8AOeuk5czW945jRRbI= ; Message-ID: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:38:36 PST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512081904.jB8J0b4e032555@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing it to Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking about the silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off white color. The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s black velvet mens suit and they had it displayed with some reproduction blonde frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I can't find here in North Carolina) 18c Mia in Charlottetown, NC, getting ready to go to a Back-county Carolinas Christmas. I'm Mrs. Judge Irwin, and will be helping him politic at the bonfire. (Think guns shooting, whisky and general noisemaking) I might try to do my hair 'a la mouton" this year, when one is ajudges wife, one leads the fashions. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! 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Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:02:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4398AF59.1000900@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:10:33 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Unicorn Tapestry & Mathematicians: upcoming lecture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is in Boston, but if they're taking it on the road, maybe they will go other places too: Y'all may remember a very interesting article a few months ago about the peculiar needs of the Met/Cloisters when photographing the Unicorn in Captivity series. 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Free seating tickets to the simulcast available to the general public in the Museum lobby beginning at 5:45 p.m. the evening of the program; first come, first served. Featuring: David & Gregory Chudnovsky, Directors, Institute for Mathematics and Advanced Supercomputing -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 18:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB8NDW6D011285 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:13:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB8NBdk4007057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8NBSJV055214; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB8NBGhG055067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0493.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.239]:4170 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EkUv0-0007Jf-57 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:11:13 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com try Bibliofind, I've found lots of books that have been out of print, some even a century old. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 8 21:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB92bLAu014391 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:37:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB92alpb040206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB92aeXj095085; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB92aaDm095037 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-128.cvip.net [129.8.204.128]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78D310BB4 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051208182329.03502890@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:24:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please In-Reply-To: <20051208141044.94264.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <006a01c5fba0$2088c2e0$32bfa6d8@pavilion> <20051208141044.94264.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 06:10 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote: >Sue Clemenger wrote: My favorite suggestion would be >Erica Wilson's Embroidery Book, but it's >rather distinctly out of print. ;o( >--Sue I see that book on eBay and half.com a lot for very little. It's worth a lookup. Also checkout addall.com for both used and new book searches. Sometimes the cheapest book may not be in the US, even with shipping added in. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 07:27:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9CQxLR006801 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:27:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9CN3gJ010941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9CMx72003499; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9CMruQ003406 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:22:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4399771E.4050805@msn.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:22:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2005 12:22:47.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[4391A6F0:01C5FCBB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bookfinder.com too. If you are looking for something with a foreign author, be sure to also check the other languages...they often pop up there, but not necessarily when English is selected. I have purchased a number of books from overseas and been very happy with service, etc. Sg Kitty Felton wrote: > try Bibliofind, I've found lots of books that have been out of print, > some even a century old. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 14:34:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9JYt8U013509 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:34:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9JYKZL063392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:34:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9JY9gE043537; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9JXovo043245 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.ff.217350ef (3890) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:33:37 EST Subject: [h-cost] Book recommendations, please To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The Royal School of Needlework Embroidery Techniques, published by Batsford, ISBN: 0713488174 It's fabulous - covers materials, beginning, and there's a chapter each on black work, silk shading, goldwork, and crewelwork. It has a few simple projects to complete in each section, and covers a bit of the history. Each section is written by a 'graduate' of the RSN's apprenticeship. Also has some stunning pics from the RSN's archive. Debs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 16:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9L6rh5014844 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:06:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9L6DYc076724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9L69GD030524; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9L63na030427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-151.sonic.net [209.148.114.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9L5uYe012370 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: <4399F1D7.4020104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:06:31 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need cotton socks for dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've almost run out of Dharma Trading Company's "Men's and Women's Socks - 3 pack." It turns out Dharma is now out of stock and will not be getting any for the undefined future. Dharma also has some organic socks that they admit dye with a "heathered" effect, that is the elastic shows up as white bits. I've dyed some socks like that and don't like the heathering much. Thing is, I think 100% cotton socks are never really 100% cotton, they all have elastic in them that does not take Procion dyes. The good thing about the socks Dharma ran out of, is that the cotton covers the elastic so well you hardly see it. What I am getting at is, does anyone have another source for 100% cotton women's socks (men's are too big for me) that they know from experience, or a dyer's recommendation, do not have enough visible elastic to "heather"? Thanks for any info, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 17:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9MIYiu016028 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:18:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9MHtbD085253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9MHfdG093748; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9M6klq084399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EkqNk-0003aK-MN; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:06:24 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:06:24 -0600 Message-ID: <20051209160624.e66lo2e1edc0scws@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:06:24 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quoting Kitty Felton : > try Bibliofind, I've found lots of books that have been out of print, > some even a century old. > > eBay. Erica Wilson shows up all the time on eBay -- as to several other good embriodery books. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 9 17:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB9MilGY016442 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB9MiJnb088740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9MiBSY016909; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:44:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB9Mi1ux016805 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-128.cvip.net [129.8.204.128]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1B916934 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:43:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051209144015.0350a780@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:41:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Embroidery books, out of print In-Reply-To: <20051209160624.e66lo2e1edc0scws@www.goldsword.com> References: <200512081900.jB8J0b4d032555@net.indra.com> <4398BD91.4040509@floodcity.net> <20051209160624.e66lo2e1edc0scws@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:06 PM 12/9/2005, you wrote: >eBay. Erica Wilson shows up all the time on eBay -- as to several other >good embriodery books. > >Susan What other books on embroidery would you consider good ones? I have a few that have already been mentioned, but I am looking for something beyond beginner myself, and would love suggestions. Thank you, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 10 18:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBANqksc008211 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:52:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBANqCnE044690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:52:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBANq6gt040809; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBANq1ok040750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0079.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.79]:4942 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ElEVT-0002hk-CI for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <439B6A1F.8030109@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:51:59 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512101900.jBAJ08h3010402@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512101900.jBAJ08h3010402@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Embroidery books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Erica Wilson is a master embroidery expert and would be a good one to get for anyone interested in embroidery. she has many books out and any of them would be an encyclopedia for the rest of us. > > What other books on embroidery would you consider good ones? > > I have a few that have already been mentioned, but I am looking for > something beyond beginner myself, and would love suggestions. > > Thank you, > > Kimiko > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 10:48:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBFmH8r001513 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:48:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBFlc2A032950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBFlWhS078288; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBBFlQ85078204 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36369 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2005 15:47:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x9kPkGDjQp7mUDcTnIX0QIynps5wa2sbf8LtUqkzcxc8/ttud/UUsLjLXvWrqp3WPvP+w/1kEoGYErUvEotM4ARimtNkzkHJtzaFEBGS7ZQLTvB0TRLp6wcB7E571E3TCEpLFhYaQG7qFP5FdAmuSYYlrK3PSqw1Cohek4Kv5eM= ; Message-ID: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:21 PST Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The question posted earlier got me thinking that I need a dress form too. I know very little about them except that they can be quite useful. Which ones are the easiest to work with and adjust, and are some more compatible with adjustments for certain body types? Specifically - short back/long hip, small rib cage and waist but broad shoulders and largish bust. I took a quick peek online at Hancocks and they currently have one on sale for $99. This brought up the questions as this basic one doesn't look like it would adjust very well to what is required. The Prym-Dritz twin fit looks like it might be more amenable to the proper measurements. I'm looking for one that would be appropriate for both costuming and 'modern' clothing. What all is out there and what have been everyone's experiences? What would be considered a reasonable price? Thanks, Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 10:56:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBFusOE001734 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBFuNKQ033700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBFuM0F082398; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:56:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBBFuIFn082332 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:56:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27004 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2005 15:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2005 15:56:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051211155136.01d8d190@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:56:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions In-Reply-To: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 15:47 11/12/2005, you wrote: > The question posted earlier got me thinking that I need a dress > form too. I know very little about them except that they can be > quite useful. Which ones are the easiest to work with and adjust, > and are some more compatible with adjustments for certain body > types? Specifically - short back/long hip, small rib cage and waist > but broad shoulders and largish bust. > > I took a quick peek online at Hancocks and they currently have > one on sale for $99. This brought up the questions as this basic > one doesn't look like it would adjust very well to what is > required. The Prym-Dritz twin fit looks like it might be more > amenable to the proper measurements. > > I'm looking for one that would be appropriate for both costuming > and 'modern' clothing. > > What all is out there and what have been everyone's experiences? > What would be considered a reasonable price? I know a lot of people prefer them, but I really cannot get on with adjustable stands, The gap in front is always where I want to put pins. I personally recommend buying a stand one size smaller than you actually need and padding it with batting, or fleece, till it is the same shape as you, then covering with an old T-shirt. As a professional maker I only have three sizes, all solid. One is tiny, one medium, and one large, plus one male, medium, stand. These work for all the different sizes I have to cater for, with padding. As I am in the U.K. there is no point in me recommending a particular brand. I hope that helps you make your decision. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 11:11:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBGBuDp002062 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBGBQS5034855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBGBOED089907; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBGBLU3089863 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([70.50.38.92]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20051211161120.QUVD16473.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20051211110124.00b48c68@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:11:06 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] dress forms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Suzi and I have conversed about this before. ;o) I use the adjustable dress forms combined with the "Fabulous Fit" padding system which ends up covering the gap caused by the adjustable panels. Cost is a major factor. The solid professional dress forms can be quite expensive if you don't have a second hand source for them. I own two adjustable forms - one "regular" sized, one "full figured" girl. I recently acquired a lovely solid form which suits my own figure very well. I would eventually love to own a man's form and a small sized form. I think, for you, it depends on weather you are sewing for others or only for yourself. If only for yourself, you really don't need to worry about adjustable sizing. I've *heard* that some of the squish-able forms (My Twin?) are excellent when working with corseted period clothing as they will somewhat mimic the body when corseted. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 15:34:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBKYfDA008085 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:34:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBKYBkq056550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBKY2oM031933; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBKXwhA031871 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D5E0FA0F63; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:34:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.198.117.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.198.117]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C62CBA08CC for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:32:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <002701c5fe92$0fde62c0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20051211110124.00b48c68@pop8.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress forms Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:32:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I recently got a Uniquely You dress form, which is one of the squishy foam types that you zip into a cover. I got the medium size, which according to the numbers should have been the right fit for me, but it decidedly wasn't. The bust was about 4-5 inches too low--and my bust isn't unusually high--which meant that no matter how well I fitted the cover, it would never work. In order to make it useable, I had to split the thing into front and back halves, alter it from the inside, and glue it back together. I then made a completely new custom fitted cover that laced closed front and back, since the foam body was so big that the zipper on the included cover simply could not be closed when the cover fitted properly. When I first got the thing, I thought I should have gotten a small instead of a medium; however, if I had to do it all over again now, I'd skip it completely and go for one of the pad-to-size types like Fabulous Fit. After all my altering, the one I've got is a 98% perfect duplicate, but oy--I'm not sure it was worth all the effort. I'd eBay for it, though, because those are pretty expensive! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 16:26:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBBLQAwY009249 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBBLPOPt062102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBLPLVN061195; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f25.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBBLPGkL061113 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:25:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:25:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051211154721.36367.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:25:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2005 21:25:12.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F1F10D0:01C5FE99] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com All I have is your basic model. I'm a historical costumer by trade, working for museums, and this is all I ever needed for women's clothes. You can't really get one that adjusts to many different styles needed for the different time periods. Corsets mounted on a dress dolly can shrink the padding underneath, which makes getting an accurate fit difficult. I still rely on fitting on the person. I use the dolly to support garments while I hem them, hanging bias garments out, checking sleeve alignment, that sort of thing. I sometimes mount projects on the dolly to take photos and see how things are looking. I would like to upgrade to a professional hard tailor's dolly as they tend to be a little more stable and don't tip. I've used the foam ones, but don't really care for them as they tend to go out of shape and stay that way if you corset them, that and they off gas (smell). I'd get yourself a basic model. Often they can be found second hand for as little as $10. Then get a sloper fitted to you, and use that to pad out your dolly. Use non twill fabric in the sloper as it will streatch, and be prepared to re check the fit from time to time. Happy dolly buying, Kelly Grant (SCA estela du frayse) "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Kahlara >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume@indra.com" >Subject: [h-cost] which dress form? - opinions >Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) > > The question posted earlier got me thinking that I need a dress form >too. I know very little about them except that they can be quite useful. >Which ones are the easiest to work with and adjust, and are some more >compatible with adjustments for certain body types? Specifically - short >back/long hip, small rib cage and waist but broad shoulders and largish >bust. > > I took a quick peek online at Hancocks and they currently have one on >sale for $99. This brought up the questions as this basic one doesn't look >like it would adjust very well to what is required. The Prym-Dritz twin fit >looks like it might be more amenable to the proper measurements. > > I'm looking for one that would be appropriate for both costuming and >'modern' clothing. > > What all is out there and what have been everyone's experiences? What >would be considered a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Annette M > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 19:59:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBC0xLQn013449 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBC0wdX6080360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC0wXoJ067303; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC0wJwE067173 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.174] (pm5-174.eos.net [205.133.149.174]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBC0wKED014309 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:58:20 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:46:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512111900.jBBJ07Uv081509@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] narnia movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Okay, so who saw "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" this weekend??? The kids' 40s costumes looked good to me. The king and queen costumes at the end -- blech. There was a lot of great armour, and some really beautiful tents. Susan's first Narnia dress was particularly nice, the other kids' clothes passable. But what the heck was the White Witch wearing at the beginning? Some sort of prom dress gone bad, and I don't even know how to DESCRIBE what was going on with the shoulders. She eventually changed clothes, thank goodness. This is not a costume snob's description, either -- my 11-year-old daughter could not stop talking about how ugly it was. Plus she had dreadlocks, which look a bit weird on a blonde Englishwoman. I guess she turned all her hairdressers to stone. We enjoyed the movie immensely, despite quibbles about costume and other things. It was a lot of fun, very enjoyable. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 11 23:53:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBC4rv38017900 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:53:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBC4qMu0001215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC4qH9R082181; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC4psVm081978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from [168.144.251.224] (helo=M2W110.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ElffA-0008Vu-EA for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220051211245251156@M2W110.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 69.238.170.234 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "lizyoung@fenris.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:52:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] narnia movie X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBC4psVm081978 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Original Message: ----------------- From: Gail & Scott Finke gailscott@eos.net Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:46:20 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] narnia movie Okay, so who saw "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" this weekend??? The kids' 40s costumes looked good to me. The king and queen costumes at the end -- blech. There was a lot of great armour, and some really beautiful tents. Susan's first Narnia dress was particularly nice, the other kids' clothes passable. But what the heck was the White Witch wearing at the beginning? Some sort of prom dress gone bad, and I don't even know how to DESCRIBE what was going on with the shoulders. -------------------- I thought the king and queen costumes at the end looked very pre-raphaelite, just right for some odd reason. I finally came to terms with the witch's dress by deciding that it was a sort of a dress-shaped shell, like an icy coating. liz young -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 00:32:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBC5WPs9018491 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:32:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBC5W13E004745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC5Vx3S001888; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBC5VuI9001828 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.207.ef1a562 (58435) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <207.ef1a562.30ce6540@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:31:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress forms To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Like Suzi, I have problems with adjustable stands - the gaps are *always* in the wrong places. That said, you can get some that have bits to cover the gaps, and they're fabulous (I used my Nana's to death when I was a kid). I do have an adjustable female form (small - medium) that I use occasionally, but I find myself more and more using solid ones (pinnable, and paddable), and padding them as necessary. A brand new professional solid dummy can cost quite a lot (as much as 800 pounds) - but you can get them second hand, and some shop display forms (the heavier duty kind) are quite acceptable for the kind of 'light' use most costumers put them through, which is nothing like what they'd get in a factory, (my male one even copes with padded armour). Quite a ot of shopfitting stores, etc have second hand ones (that's in the UK, but I can't see it being that much different over there). Ebay is also quite a good place for them, but find out what they're made from - avoid the cheap polystyrene kind like the plague - you'd really need the yellowy coloured moulded foam kind. Like Suzi, I obviously can't suggest a make or supplier, as shipping across the Atlantic is a bit pointless! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 06:13:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCBDEf5010895 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCBCYUu044805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBCS0i053873; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBCPe2053819 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CA1BE9E0 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:25 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an evening bodice for the dress. The dress is very simple and made from cotton. But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a dress for me. This is the dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 06:24:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCBOYu8014248 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:24:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCBO5BM046929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBO4TY058837; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:24:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBCBNwut058741 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42565 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2005 11:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.112.206 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2005 11:23:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051212112112.01d967d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:23:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question In-Reply-To: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 11:12 12/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to >make an evening bodice for the dress. >The dress is very simple and made from cotton. >But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband >and a dress for me. > >This is the dress >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html It is quite normal to have a second bodice for a dress in both bustle periods. I have usually seen them in silk, but I see no reason why you should not make one to match your skirt. It would only matter if someone in the group you are with took it into his/her head to complain. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 06:36:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCBaCLC018773 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:36:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCBZs1P047629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBZqUa064391; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCBZmC8064376 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:35:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:35:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2005 11:35:48.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[32A7BB20:01C5FF10] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I can't see why you couldn't. There are extant examples of dresses with different bodices. Mind you, they are made of different material than cotton, but I think you would look and feel better if you were dressed in an appropriate style to match your husband's attire. People won't notice the cotton so much, especially from a bit of distance. Have fun at your event! Kelly/estela www.goldenoakinn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > Hi, > > I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an > evening bodice for the dress. > The dress is very simple and made from cotton. > But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a > dress for me. > > This is the dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 10:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCF7Qp3027377 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCF5wVL064291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCF5pGC072785; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCF5jec072669 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:05:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 39905198 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:06:06 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:05:39 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c5ff2d$83774490$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 13, in=10, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Deredere-- I have seen many 19th century dresses with two bodices, one for day and one for evening. Looking at your dress, I wonder if you could leave the apron off the skirt for evening wear? That checked fabric is very "daytime," not formal enough for evening. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Hi, I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an evening bodice for the dress. The dress is very simple and made from cotton. But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a dress for me. This is the dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 10:19:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCFJ64s027778 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:19:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCFIakQ065540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCFIYjo081572; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCFIUp5081448 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IRE003FA55526B5@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:17:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:17:34 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Ok, I agree that the queen's first dress was majorly weird, but I actually liked how the dreadlocks looked, i thought they were cool. of course, I (a blond blue eyed white girl) had dreadlocks once so i obviously like them. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 10:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCFW13e028041 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:32:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCFVLFf066697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCFVGb0090451; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCFV97l090313 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A7B702F8; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:31:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 12 Dec 2005 10:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c5ff31$3b3a8b20$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c5ff2d$83774490$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:32:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Kim's suggestion is a good one. You might make another 'apron' of, say, cotton moire that would dress it UP...whatever you choose for the second bodice. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > Deredere-- > > I have seen many 19th century dresses with two bodices, one for day and > one for evening. > > Looking at your dress, I wonder if you could leave the apron off the > skirt for evening wear? That checked fabric is very "daytime," not > formal enough for evening. > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:12 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > > > Hi, > > I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make > an evening bodice for the dress. > The dress is very simple and made from cotton. > But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a > dress for me. > > This is the dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 11:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCG46cI028625 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:04:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCG3jmV070243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCG3f0t016002; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCG3WNf015772 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e1.21a07954 (16098) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D43 (fwm-d43.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.19]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee2439d9f41ee; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Received: from 70.149.39.191 by FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.19) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:03:13 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.19 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Deredere , Is there any way you could do an overlay for the top of the skirt, that way it would be a little more fancy. -----Original Message----- From: Deredere Galbraith To: Historical Costume Sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:25 +0100 Subject: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Hi, I have a bustle dress and I am wondering if it would look weird to make an evening bodice for the dress. The dress is very simple and made from cotton. But I have just one week to finish a coat and vest for my husband and a dress for me. This is the dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 11:58:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCGwM9e029595 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCGvhNm077496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCGvcS5064658; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCGvZjK064592 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D5FAF1BCCE9; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.13.154.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.13.154]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 133DC1BD05E for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:48:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:48:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I thought the witch's dresses towards the beginning looked very odd (especially the weird sticking-out-six-inches-at-the-back thing) but I think the material it was made of was pretty well chosen; it looked more like it was sort of magically grown than made, which strikes me as right. I did like her last two dresses, though--the strapless dark brown one, and the maned chain mail battle outfit. Wonder how much that one weighed; to me it actually looked like chain mail rather than that fake metallic knit stuff that some movies use to impersonate chain mail. The mane was a nice touch. It seemed like something Jadis would do. I like both Susan and Lucy's Narnian dresses. Their coronation gowns... I didn't hate them, but I was hoping for something a bit more spectacular. >From a standpoint of what was right for the movie, they sort of make sense to me; this is supposed to be a country without humans, so they probably didn't exactly have a lot of human coronation gowns laying around, nor garment-makers with tons of experience at making human clothing. Where on earth were they supposed to have gotten those earlier Narnia dresses, anyway? The adult Susan and Lucy dresses disappointed me a bit, though I liked the purple/plum one. (I couldn't quite tell which one was Su and which was Lu there.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 12:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCHwneb030519 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCHw8WE086490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCHw2lG022422; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:58:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCHvtcZ022206 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB87BECEC for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:57:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:57:44 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. And I won't be able to buy new fabric. It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. But you all gave me some ideas. What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. And also use the lace on the evening bodice. And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. Maby that will do it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 13:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCI63mt030653 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:06:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCI5VLT087411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCI5Pq3029790; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCI5KDo029602 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bb.6624d8b3 (15887) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D17 (fwm-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.209]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f439dbbd4389; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500 From: morses3@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7CD5DB8922374-1E44-4D4@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.13.200.37 by FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.209) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:05:07 -0500 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.209 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Books on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greetings, I found a collection of costume related books this weekend at an estate sale and there were several that I aleady had (I had to buy them all as a lot), so I've listed the ones I didn't need on eBay under my seller id mayflower . There are several harder to find ones, including a two volume set of Davenport's THE BOOK OF COSTUME, THE MODE IN FURS, etc. There are also four huge lots of medieval and renaissance related books that I boxed up as lots that included some costume books as well. Thanks, I thought someone might be able to find something they've been looking for.......... Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 13:27:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCIRqL0030970 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCIRLX4089764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCIRFWX050304; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCIR7uK050131 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.142.52a35f0b (58550) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:27:00 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <142.52a35f0b.30cf1af4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:27:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/12/2005 10:07:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: Looking at your dress, I wonder if you could leave the apron off the skirt for evening wear? That checked fabric is very "daytime," not formal enough for evening. I agree about the checked fabric, but you seem to be stuck with it for the ruffle, unless you can face taking it off. If you have to leave it intact, yes, take off the apron, make one in a different fabric, and maybe use the check as trim on the evening bodice--a ruffle around a low neck, perhaps? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 14:48:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCJmmpr032569 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCJfnTY099701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCJfgdX020049; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCJfPkK019767 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501B33D082 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:41:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <439DD29E.9060603@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:42:22 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question References: <142.52a35f0b.30cf1af4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <142.52a35f0b.30cf1af4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > I agree about the checked fabric, but you seem to be stuck with it for the > ruffle, unless you can face taking it off. If you have to leave it intact, > yes, take off the apron, make one in a different fabric, and maybe use the check > as trim on the evening bodice--a ruffle around a low neck, perhaps? > I agree with Ann above, if you have more of the solid purple use it to make some kind of drape for the back of the dress. Didn't evening gowns have trains? Lots of satin ribbon on the back drape, maybe some bows or something dimensional, too. Seems like a lot of sewing, but satin ribbon can all go on by machine. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 15:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCKLBPH000744 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCKKZvl004781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKKVlq055309; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKKSet055160 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.23c.3796252 (18251) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <23c.3796252.30cf3581@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:20:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > Seems like a lot of sewing, but satin ribbon > can all go on by machine. > > Not really since a plain ol' length of fabric can be gunched and bunched up with pins or tacking into a beautiful drape for the train. And lots of tortured bows can be pin on from behind too. It's a shame, since you already have the correct underpinnings and a pattern you know works, you cannot just get some fantastic fabric and make a plain gown to wear. Y'know, not a bunch of flounces and ruffles but a striking stripped down elegant gown is some fabric that is itself the design and the draw...a rich green cut velvet or a red and gold satin brocade. I bet you could whip it up in a matter of hours. But 8 to 10 yards of such fabric adds up fast! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 15:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCKXi9H000965 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCKX2g0006263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKWrfj066351; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCKWkkt066181 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE640318; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:32:36 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 12 Dec 2005 15:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c5ff5b$6108ca40$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl><8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:33:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com And don't forget, this was a period when fringes were popular! You can use cotton or chenille, 1"-3" would be suitable. I have been using some of the fancy yarns lately for color, texture, and economy to create my own trims. They emulate antique items in my collection. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. > And I won't be able to buy new fabric. > It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. > It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. > > But you all gave me some ideas. > What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. > And also use the lace on the evening bodice. > And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. > Maby that will do it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 18:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBCNYbwF006068 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBCNXwZ5029228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCNXrC0086695; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBCNXlr7086611 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-4-185.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.4.185]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2005 07:33:33 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <439E0A77.6030409@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:40:39 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl><8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <002901c5ff5b$6108ca40$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002901c5ff5b$6108ca40$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I love fringes and use them on all of my bustle gowns - have you had a look at the dresses on the Truly Victorian website - they can give you lots of ideas. I added black trim to my purple gown. http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/picturepro/nfpicturepro/index.php http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/photo.html Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.aylwen.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >And don't forget, this was a period when fringes were popular! You can use >cotton or chenille, 1"-3" would be suitable. I have been using some of the >fancy yarns lately for color, texture, and economy to create my own trims. >They emulate antique items in my collection. >Kathleen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Deredere Galbraith" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:57 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question > > > > >>Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. >>And I won't be able to buy new fabric. >>It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. >>It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. >> >>But you all gave me some ideas. >>What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. >>And also use the lace on the evening bodice. >>And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. >>Maby that will do it. >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 21:15:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBD2FGr4009118 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:15:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD2Eb9O050233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD2EVpM095780; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD2ERn9095665 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.64d33792 (16930) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:14:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <66.64d33792.30cf887b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:14:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mrs Henderson X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Been meaning to add this for a few days now, and the narnia thread reminded me - went to see 'Mrs Henderson Presents' (about the Windmill Theatre) last weekend, and have to say that it was fabulous (and the costumes were wonderful). Judy Dench and Bob Hoskins were VG, and even Will Young wasn't too bad! Thoroughly reccommend seeing. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 12 22:50:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBD3o8Xt010694 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD3nDc6060758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:49:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD3n7Gr048642; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD3n3B2048567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD5P0JN012736 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:25:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle dress question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:51:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20051212111219.56CA1BE9E0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <8C7CD4CB0D4F07D-1E54-6B89@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051212175737.DAB87BECEC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512122251.37373.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Monday 12 December 2005 12:57 pm, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Unfortionally I can't find any fabric that looks right with the purple. > And I won't be able to buy new fabric. > It is just a normal party and the people won't know if it is not right. > It is just that the dress doesn't feel like an evening dress to me. > > But you all gave me some ideas. > What I could do is add some white lace to the bottom of the apron. > And also use the lace on the evening bodice. > And some darkpurple satin ribbon decoration on the bottom of the skirt. > Maby that will do it. If I were doing it, I'd consider making a new apron, to completely cover the checked one, for evening wear. But if you can't find a suitable fabric, there goes that idea. (Have you considered solid white or ivory? That might work). -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 01:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBD6l7lh013640 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBD6kbEb081823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD6kYkv042247; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBD6kTSA042203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0148.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.148]:1785 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1Em3vj-0002nK-LD for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:46:32 -0500 Message-ID: <439E6E41.8010801@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:46:25 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512121758.jBCHwb42023083@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512121758.jBCHwb42023083@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Colonial costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi all, I have a friend who wants to make a colonial costume. She is as heavy as I am, about as wide as she is tall in the body, but has a short upper body compared to mine. She wants to do a stomacher to minimize the width, and wonders how her skirt should look. I can't find any pattern sites with a stomacher for colonial patterns, and my best guess for her is to make an over skirt to draw the lace overlay from the stomacher to the skirt and keep the eye moving and not fixated on the width. Any other ideas? I'd like to be able to email her some photos or sites to help her visualize the ideas if anyone has anything to help her. thanks, Kitty Oh. she is basically doing an impression, not perfect accuracy. She's never tried a corset and I'm not sure if I should offer to let her try mine. LOL I think mine might be too long anyway. Any help gratefully recieved, thanks, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 05:44:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDAiLKk032042 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDAhxdr018075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDAhtED053226; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDAhncl053163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBDAZRfN031353 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:35:27 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:35:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:46 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > this is supposed to be a country without humans, so they probably > didn't exactly have a lot of human coronation gowns laying around, nor > garment-makers with tons of experience at making human clothing. Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have been supplies and skill of some level. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 06:19:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDBJtkE004675 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:19:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDBJbjE021781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDBJZoE071191; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDBJVxD071129 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28e.1fa0ca2 (2519) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <28e.1fa0ca2.30d00838@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:19:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:47:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, basyefelton@floodcity.net writes: She is as heavy as I am, about as wide as she is tall in the body, but has a short upper body compared to mine. There is evidence of some fairly large women in Colonial America. I'm thinking of a painting of a woman in a green damask dress--someone on this list probably knows the one I mean. I can't remember if that dress has a stomacher or not, but, if it does, I believe it is plain and of the same fabric as the dress. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 08:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDDcC4Q026990 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:38:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDDbeJU032770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDbWSe043722; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDbO4Y043604 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:37:18 -0800 Message-ID: <439ECEA0.3060401@msn.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:36 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another h-cost archive? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2005 13:37:18.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[5651AAB0:01C5FFEA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Nice, but odd. I poked around a bit and can't seem to find a way to look at them by year and how far back they go...they say they have been "doing it" since 1998. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Robin Netherton wrote: >I have just noticed that h-costume has been archived at mail-archive.com >since August: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 08:45:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDDjAvB027294 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDDi3DR033528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDi08c047949; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDDhvor047849 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: <439ED029.4050004@msn.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:09 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mrs Henderson References: <66.64d33792.30cf887b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <66.64d33792.30cf887b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2005 13:43:51.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[403D16F0:01C5FFEB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Trailer here! Looks Fab! Costumes fun too! http://www.mrshendersonthemovie.com/ Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >Been meaning to add this for a few days now, and the narnia thread reminded >me - went to see 'Mrs Henderson Presents' (about the Windmill Theatre) last >weekend, and have to say that it was fabulous (and the costumes were wonderful). >Judy Dench and Bob Hoskins were VG, and even Will Young wasn't too bad! > >Thoroughly reccommend seeing. > >Debs >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:03:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDE3E8P028138 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:03:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDE2Rdp035905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE2Obx059655; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE2Lcc059583 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:02:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1dd.4b821639 (15900) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M08 (fwm-m08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.72]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c439ed4622b5; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:07 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CE04F05EC8A5-12A0-1C90@FWM-M08.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:07 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Not to mention that surrounding Narnia are countries where the predominant critters are humans. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Virtue To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:43:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie > this is supposed to be a country without humans, so they probably > didn't exactly have a lot of human coronation gowns laying around, nor > garment-makers with tons of experience at making human clothing. Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have been supplies and skill of some level. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:03:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDE3v4E028188 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:03:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDE3gUW036055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE3gpt060417; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE3cPm060373 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24793.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.147]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 114182628A8 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my knolledge i know is from studying portraits. Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has the same colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was .........well blonde in colour, and i think it is rarely used for mens shirts. I have read somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie Antoinettes favourite lace, but i think it was used for trimmings on dresses.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question > This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing it to > Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style > > Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking about the > silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off white color. The > exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s > black velvet mens suit and they had it displayed with some reproduction > blonde frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a > very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I can't find > here in North Carolina) > > 18c Mia in Charlottetown, NC, getting ready to go to a Back-county > Carolinas Christmas. I'm Mrs. Judge Irwin, and will be helping him > politic at the bonfire. (Think guns shooting, whisky and general > noisemaking) I might try to do my hair 'a la mouton" this year, when one > is ajudges wife, one leads the fashions. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:08:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDE8vXC028582 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:08:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDE8GMK036620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE8ENF063185; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDE89Pe063094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.108] (pool180-108.patriot.net [209.249.180.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBDE7txe020195 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:08:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <439E6E41.8010801@floodcity.net> References: <200512121758.jBCHwb42023083@net.indra.com> <439E6E41.8010801@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:07:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Kitty, First I would recommend the 18th century woman list which is a Yahoo Group - 18cWoman. There is a concentration of people who just do that century, so lots of knowledge and information. Approximately what year of "colonial" does your friend want? Stomachers went out of fashion around the time of the American Revolution, but were very much in use in the early part of the century. What class is the outfit, and any particular ethnic group? Is it to wear to a dance, as a volunteer for a historic site? A theatrical performance? Every-day or formal? help keep the shape. I'm not familiar enough with the patterns available to be able to talk about them (I tend to draft or drape my own from books such as Patterns of Fashion). Stays (18thC corset) really will help, especially if she is heavy. Otherwise she can make the stomacher stiff (with boning and interfacing, which they did in the 18thC), and use a substantial lining in the bodice of the gown to Style-wise, the gown and petticoat (underskirt) can be the same color with a different color for the stomacher. That will draw the eye up to the bustline. (But you don't want to be spilling out of the gown!) A different color petticoat is a sort of mix & match style sometimes seen in casual wear. (Back to the question of the purpose of her gown.) The stomacher should not match the petticoat. I'm not sure what you mean by a lace overlay on the stomacher. Some have a criss-cross ribbon pattern to look like the gown is laced overtop, and another style is a series of bows, as if the gown is tied over the stomacher. Lace is sometimes used to give the appearance that the item is embroidered. Some original stomachers are 3-D, with chenille embroidery, ribbon work, etc. They can also be plain fabric or a brocade, without extra embellishment. (Again back to the purpose/class of the gown!) If you look around the web for ideas, be sure you know what is original to the 18th century (portraits & clothing) versus people in repro clothing. Everyone makes their own changes and compromises, and it helps to know what you're looking at. -Carol >She wants to do a stomacher to minimize the width, and wonders how >her skirt should look. I can't find any pattern sites with a >stomacher for colonial patterns, and my best guess for her is to >make an over skirt to draw the lace overlay from the stomacher to >the skirt and keep the eye moving and not fixated on the width. > >Any other ideas? I'd like to be able to email her some photos or >sites to help her visualize the ideas if anyone has anything to help >her. > >Oh. she is basically doing an impression, not perfect accuracy. >She's never tried a corset and I'm not sure if I should offer to let >her try mine. LOL I think mine might be too long anyway. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 09:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDEh3oW000980 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:43:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDCrGAf028721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDCrEXs019532; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDCrA6q019483 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05359 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:20:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:20:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another h-cost archive? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have just noticed that h-costume has been archived at mail-archive.com since August: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html The buttons at the bottom get you to the messages. I don't know whether mail-archive found us on its own, or someone set us up there, or how long the messages stay. It is nice to have a way to read on the Web (I occasionally delete a message or three with the morning spam by mistake, or want to read while traveling). Obviously it will not replace the valuable resource that is Eric's archive, at http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ , which goes back forever and a day but is rather harder to search. Of more concern, I see that Eric's site is not responding this morning. I hope this is a temporary glitch. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 10:14:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDFE8mi006246 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDFCHBC045246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDFCCFX006786; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDFC6Fr006663 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e6.77d76260 (4468) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:11:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:20:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > There is evidence of some fairly large women in Colonial America. But of course! There're large women everywhere at every time. And mid 18th century is a period they look particularly good in...IMHO. I'd keep the gown dark and plain...trimmed with self fabric. The open robe...with a stomacher and petticoat showing...is a great silhouette for a large figure...but don't make the contrast too jarring. Either do it all out of the same fabric or choose two colors that are close in hue and saturation...like a burgundy and a dark blue....or a stripe [for the gown] and something the same color as whatever the prominent color the stripe presents [for the petticoat and stomacher]. Use a corset...like maybe the Simplicity [or is it Butterick] pattern. It needn't be made with steel boning [use Rigellene] or tight. Just snug to give the right shape. I doubt whether a large woman would go with hip pads or panniers unless at court or something. A bit of lace and a flower at the neckline of the dark mass of the [taffeta? Changeable taffeta?] dress to draw your eye to her face, and don't forget a white lace and linen cap...maybe some mitts.... She'll look great! It'll have great character! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 10:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDFl9rv010294 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:47:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDFa5F3048603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDFa26W024095; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBDFZx6x023990 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46532 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2005 15:35:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IBuvduFG+LVWintPsJnDEVaUZIhaTs/VOTw5aGJCsO5CdPsaSvBvNHjv5o7yPadQM1JRlwGlRREe7N0KzVhTKSKQF6JYj8djQPOgx9Nv+MZi8aHqUKwYOM2BefgfHMl5Gu7Xi2bcSeiF3OoDQk6GyZDWVLAoyDiqYyx2jziGGWk= ; Message-ID: <20051213153553.46530.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:35:53 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) From: Galadriel of Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512121758.jBCHw1C6022393@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: narnia movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wow, I LOOOOOOVED the White Witch's costumes! I remember thinking them a bit odd when I first saw them in trailers but after getting a bit used to the idea, I love them! I also read interviews with Tilda Swinton and the costume designer which were very interesting. Remember, Jadis is NOT human. I think encasing her in rigid clothing that exaggerated the form was a good way to indicate this. I must praise Tilda Swinton to the heavens for making this costume work on her! She moved about as if it were nothing, as if it really was what she wore every day! Good on her. I'd be so happy with her if I were the designer. Also, her hair was very cool - like roots in the earth. In fact, I think I remember Ms. Swinton saying something about how it was supposed to look earthy. Loved the melting icicle crown. Loved it! Liked the kids clothes. Agree that it is not what I would have chosen for coronation clothing, but then again, remember that they are CHILDREN so long trains wouldn't make sense for them. Also remember that the movie is made for children and is supposed to be fantasy, so perhaps what would have been more drool-worthy to our eyes wouldn't have been as pretty to little kids. I wanted a better view of the grown-up kids' clothing! Guess I'll just have to go see it again. SHUCKS! ;) --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 13:02:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDI2ZdW022597 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDI1QcS068012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDI1EYZ056440; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBDI13RW056166 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54929 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2005 17:54:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=emr7pXijpLelivC1T8MotKp1rQbK3g6A37taYRDHbcVeGoR8LFrt/izkCvPUuntz6d1ZuyBDtcmJFvAMb8df8PMSMsFLVhiLUbNiRFR6/1utYwXN9ZnxmRos63dXCuQsPigFoAn+WOlKCTmiSV8CZAi3Bv7rKydSe3HNVsr8FAA= ; Message-ID: <20051213175417.54927.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:54:17 PST Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512131410.jBDE8HQ6063222@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:colonial costume questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Alot of questions come up on this one. 1. What time?, "colonial" covers alot of ground 2. Where? US, 3. Whats the venue? a historic house? a play. just for fun, just because.... 4. What do you have access to? small pattern companies, only big pattern manufacturers? 18c cent Mia in Charlotteown, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 14:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDJW3dI004085 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDJV2XD080859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDJUuSg041127; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBDJUohP040866 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3935 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2005 19:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.214.129 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 19:30:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051213192656.01d27a50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:30:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question In-Reply-To: <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 14:03 13/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi > >I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my >knolledge i know is from studying portraits. >Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has the >same colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was .........well >blonde in colour, and i think it is rarely used for mens shirts. I >have read somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie Antoinettes >favourite lace, but i think it was used for trimmings on dresses.............. > >Bjarne >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:38 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question > > >>This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing >>it to Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style >> >> Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking >> about the silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off >> white color. The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in >> Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s black velvet mens suit and they >> had it displayed with some reproduction blonde frills/ruffles at >> the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a very fine white >> linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I can't find here in North Carolina) "Type of bobbin lace made in the 18th and 19th centuries from raw silk, which was usually a pale straw colour, but later black or white. It was very popular as a dress trimming, especially in the early 19th century, and some embroideries on the dresses of that time are worked i a pale straw coloured silk which resembles blonde." "The Needleworker's Dictionary" by Pamela Clabburn Suzi (I have some black blonde, as well as the straw coloured sort.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 16:24:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBDLOQGV018889 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDLNeoX097866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDLNTx5045563; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:23:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBDLNLIj045449 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.141.154] (dialup-4.249.141.154.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.141.154]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBDLN5rl001034 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:23:06 -0800 Message-ID: <439F3BC7.7010406@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:23:19 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <439EA5E2.6000204@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear > clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have > been supplies and skill of some level. I found it odd that the children were able to change clothes in the camp also. I mean, for the coronation sure! but how on earth did they get clothes that fit that soon. I mean, mostly it was talking beasts, merfolk, naiads and dryads - none of which wear human style clothing. Sure, there were dwarfs - but they weren't dressed in dwarfish styles! Problem with pointing out that all the outlying areas were human is that we only know about those in later books, after Lewis has explored them and decided to make them as people. None of them were in Narnia proper, or the prophecy could have been fulfilled long before. True, there were giants, but somehow they got short-shifted a lot. Rumblebuffin was credited but cut out. The queen, as was just pointed out, wasn't human - and was an adult. Actually, the problem with the queen's costume is that it was a concept costume. Apparently the concept didn't come through very well. Her gowns were so much made for her (regarding skill level) as they were formed of her own winter. Imagine glaciers and ice 'clothing' a being who rose out of it like a pillar of marble. I think that was what they were going for in that first outfit with the really odd neckline. Then as her power waned, the icicles that weren't so much a crown as actually growing from her head began to melt, and her whole gown changed - thinned and darkened as her magic changed. I think it was an interesting idea, but from the number of posts on different lists that I've read - it didn't seem to come across. I thought her battle outfit with her hair and that 'vest' looking like a lion mane was an interesting touch to the true supremacy of Narnia! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 13 21:49:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE2nLJm027462 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE2mhD4035857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE2mcMU085690; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE2mVr2085651 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.109.87.90]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051213192656.01d27a50@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:48:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Could you show a picture of it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question > At 14:03 13/12/2005, you wrote: >>Hi >> >>I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my >>knolledge i know is from studying portraits. >>Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has the same >>colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was .........well blonde in >>colour, and i think it is rarely used for mens shirts. I have read >>somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie Antoinettes favourite lace, but i >>think it was used for trimmings on dresses.............. >> >>Bjarne >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" >> >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:38 PM >>Subject: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question >> >> >>>This is for anyone18c and lace oriented folks, but I'm addressing it to >>>Bjarne as he is most familiar with the high style >>> >>> Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking about the >>> silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an off white color. >>> The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in Charlotte, NC had a late-ish >>> 1700s black velvet mens suit and they had it displayed with some >>> reproduction blonde frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have >>> gone with a very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I >>> can't find here in North Carolina) > > > "Type of bobbin lace made in the 18th and 19th centuries from raw silk, > which was usually a pale straw colour, but later black or white. It was > very popular as a dress trimming, especially in the early 19th century, > and some embroideries on the dresses of that time are worked i a pale > straw coloured silk which resembles blonde." > > "The Needleworker's Dictionary" by Pamela Clabburn > > Suzi > > (I have some black blonde, as well as the straw coloured sort.) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 00:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE54tt1029828 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:04:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE54Nrt049932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE546hY057125; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE540XH057083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:04:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0074.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.74]:4893 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EmOo5-0004r5-3R for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <439FA7B2.80009@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:03:46 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200512131408.jBDE8HQ5063222@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200512131408.jBDE8HQ5063222@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Colonial costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thanks for the replies. carol asked From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial costume Hi Kitty, "Approximately what year of "colonial" does your friend want? Stomachers went out of fashion around the time of the American Revolution, but were very much in use in the early part of the century." Reply: I don't think she thought much about what year the costume is from, just colonial. Deb was on the 1976 wagon trains and her family continued to raise the horses and maintain a wagon for local events til she got married or later. We have a local antique crafts fair here in our area, a three day event called Mountain Craft Days. Her family has a booth where they make old fashioned apple cider, and every worker has to dress in Period but no one is real fussy about what period. Deb continued making and wearing costumes for this event and dressed her kids and husband for this as well. Her kids enjoy it so much that they would wear their costumes to church now and then and we have another family in the church who also participates, and I and my grand kids are getting into it. her girls all have a colonial styled costume, and she wants one too so they can wear them together. her girls costumes have a psudo stomacher, created with a V of lace on the front of the dress. My friend wants to use this design feature on her dress, to create a bit of distraction on the front of the dress to minimize her width. She has a large bosom, but the dress will in no way expose her, it has a jeweled neckline. She called me the other day to ask me what lines to add to the skirt to be most becoming to her keeping her size in mind. I am the most experieced sewist of our bunch and the oldest. so I somehow became the "expert" of our group. Question, " What class is the outfit, and any particular ethnic group? Is it to wear to a dance, as a volunteer for a historic site? A theatrical performance? Every-day or formal? help keep the shape." Reply, The dress will be to wear to church, should be modest and probably of modest means, since my friend uses cotton for her dresses. We are heavy and get hot easily, and since her family IS of modest means it would be hard to protray a rich woman. LOL We have never encountered any documentation of ethnic groups so she is probably just interested in doing a general dress. whatever pattern she chooses, I grade up and she makes it up for herself, and if she likes it, I try it on and then use the pattern for myself with the alterations I need. Your notes: Style-wise, the gown and petticoat (underskirt) can be the same color with a different color for the stomacher. That will draw the eye up to the bustline. (But you don't want to be spilling out of the gown!) A different color petticoat is a sort of mix & match style sometimes seen in casual wear. (Back to the question of the purpose of her gown.) The stomacher should not match the petticoat. (ME!) I'll tell her, I was thinking it SHOULD be different, so I'm glad I learned this before we made to many mistakes. I'm not sure what you mean by a lace overlay on the stomacher. A layer of lace fabric over the gown fabric to make the stomacher stand out as a design element? I'll bring up the ribbon lacing to her to see if she would rather try that. thanks for the ideas, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 01:11:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE6BQV6031028 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:11:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE6Arag055292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE6Am9h089488; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBE6AiDa089425 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40512 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 06:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.214.129 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 06:10:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051214060619.01d90430@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:08:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question In-Reply-To: <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> References: <20051208193836.58200.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c5ffed$ff967670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051213192656.01d27a50@127.0.0.1> <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:48 14/12/2005, you wrote: >Could you show a picture of it? > >>>I have not seen many real mens shirt on displays and things, so my >>>knolledge i know is from studying portraits. >>>Most of the lace i have seen used, has ben white lace, that has >>>the same colour as the white linen. A Blonde Lace was >>>.........well blonde in colour, and i think it is rarely used for >>>mens shirts. I have read somewhere, that Blonde Lace was Marie >>>Antoinettes favourite lace, but i think it was used for trimmings >>>on dresses.............. >>> >>>> Has anyone seen blonde used on men's 18c shirts. I'm talking >>>> about the silk lace, very fine and beautiful, sometimes in an >>>> off white color. The exhibit I was at at the Mint Museum in >>>> Charlotte, NC had a late-ish 1700s black velvet mens suit and >>>> they had it displayed with some reproduction blonde >>>> frills/ruffles at the wrists and neck. I would have gone with a >>>> very fine white linnen myself (that $40+ a yard stuff that I >>>> can't find here in North Carolina) >> >> >>"Type of bobbin lace made in the 18th and 19th centuries from raw >>silk, which was usually a pale straw colour, but later black or >>white. It was very popular as a dress trimming, especially in the >>early 19th century, and some embroideries on the dresses of that >>time are worked i a pale straw coloured silk which resembles blonde." >> >>"The Needleworker's Dictionary" by Pamela Clabburn >> >>Suzi >> >>(I have some black blonde, as well as the straw coloured sort.) Sorry, not right now. I am very, very busy, and don't have time to search through the lace box. I am pretty sure it is Victorian though if that helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 03:21:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBE8Lnx5018430 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:21:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBE8Kt1f064229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE8Knlx048496; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:20:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBE8KghQ048439 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2073F338C7 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:20:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: blonde lace question Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:20:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002d01c60058$dca571f0$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you haven't found these sites; http://lace.lacefairy.com/ID/BlondeID.html http://blondecaen.chez-alice.fr/styles.htm#DENTELLES bands trimmed in blond lace http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/M14797.1-2?Lang=1&acc essnumber=M14797.1-2 http://www.refalo.com/bobbinlace/blonde.html http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9015687 http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.antique-lace.com/Laces&textiles/2403/2403.htm http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/regency/weddinggown.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 15:26:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEKQqEh011039 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEKOkpW079788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); 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Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:55:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:55:52 -0800 From: Gianetta To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: narnia movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBEKQqEh011039 > > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:23:19 -0500 > From: Judy Mitchell > Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <439F3BC7.7010406@theoldforest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > Somebody was making gowns for the Queen, plus dwarves and giants wear > > clothes, so even if they didn't have specific clothing, there would have > > been supplies and skill of some level. > > I found it odd that the children were able to change clothes in the > camp also. I mean, for the coronation sure! but how on earth did they > get clothes that fit that soon. I mean, mostly it was talking beasts, > merfolk, naiads and dryads - none of which wear human style clothing. > Sure, there were dwarfs - but they weren't dressed in dwarfish styles! > > snippage > > -Judy Mitchell > actually, I was disappointed that Mrs. Beaver didn't get her new sewing > machine from Father Christmas in the movie. She gets a new one in the book. > It's been a long time, but I think she'd have the sewing skills to > make/alter clothes for the children. -- Joyce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 17:40:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEMeUvo013438 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEMc8Pr098248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMbavb093371; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMbXV8093236 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005121422361901300ce4fse>; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:36:24 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.173] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:36:18 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List), murmurs@baronyofaquaterra.org (Murmurs Aquaterra) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:36:18 +0000 Message-Id: <121420052236.1151.43A09E6200082BAF0000047F22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Humans in England, 700k years? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I happened upon an AP article that just caught my eye. Hopefully, I'm not sending out old news! But it looks like that they found 32 black flints, in river sediments in Pakefiield in eastern England, that dated back to 700,000 years. I think I need to find and re-read my Mummies of Urmichee (spelling?) book again. This find will make the re-reading much more enthralling (to me anyway)! I know this is *way* early for SCA (for those interested in SCA), but my research pathways have certainly expanded! I can hardly *wait* for the details of this find to be published, even if there's no mention of textiles, this is still useful for development of theories and conjectures. Elena/Gia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 17:52:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEMqcbR013605 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEMpBX4000346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMp52D005209; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMoxbN005112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBEMgYfN022690 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:42:34 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A0A1D0.1040303@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:50:56 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Houppelandes with tie fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I was doing some bell-belt online searching today, and found this marvelous image from 1430: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z Note the two ties holding the skirt of the houp closed! I'd never seen that before, although I (and probably others) have theorized that they were open on the center front, but held closed somehow. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEN4N4B013859 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBEMxhgj001531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEMxdDK012407; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBEMxYkW012346 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5160 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 14:58:25 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5149, pid: 5154, t: 0.8450s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 14:58:24 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051214145844.02331128@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:59:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Humans in England, 700k years? In-Reply-To: <121420052236.1151.43A09E6200082BAF0000047F2200751090080907 0E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> References: <121420052236.1151.43A09E6200082BAF0000047F22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:36 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: >I happened upon an AP article that just caught my eye. Hopefully, >I'm not sending out old news! But it looks like that they found 32 >black flints, in river sediments in Pakefiield in eastern England, >that dated back to 700,000 years. > >I think I need to find and re-read my Mummies of Urmichee >(spelling?) book again. This find will make the re-reading much >more enthralling (to me anyway)! I know this is *way* early for SCA >(for those interested in SCA), but my research pathways have >certainly expanded! > >I can hardly *wait* for the details of this find to be published, >even if there's no mention of textiles, this is still useful for >development of theories and conjectures. > >Elena/Gia >_______________________________________________ Here's the link to the BBC story. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4526264.stm Very interesting! Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:13:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENDrN4013971 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENDCaI003102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEND7jp022912; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBEND04g022816 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E08D2338FC for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:12:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelandes with tie fastenings Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:13:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A0A1D0.1040303@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What nationality/county is the painting? unusual cuff on the under garment. De -----Original Message----- I was doing some bell-belt online searching today, and found this marvelous image from 1430: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z Note the two ties holding the skirt of the houp closed! I'd never seen that before, although I (and probably others) have theorized that they were open on the center front, but held closed somehow. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:15:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENFvKO014011 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:15:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENFciM003421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENFWgN024709; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBENFE0t024425 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4BKQRAH5GC2A for (sender ); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LB8FH6ET; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:07:39 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:53:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Humans in England, 700k years? Message-ID: <20051214.165338.-116170617.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,14-17,18-32767 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3225029997 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72Edidh9VbsiOp5E/zSt1Zh5FdKzyzYdXg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I actually hadn't heard about this but it's very interesting. At 700,000 years ago, the likely candidate for the maker of the flints is homo heidelbergensis who was an ancestor of homo neanderthalensis. At this point in time general concensus has it that our ancestors (homo rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about 4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China is so remarkable. Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENXYMN014242 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:33:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENWfEn005588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENWcqf038817; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENWW3Q038705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBENO7fN023215 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:07 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A0AB8D.80802@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:32:29 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelandes with tie fastenings References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com otsisto wrote: > What nationality/county is the painting? > unusual cuff on the under garment. Dutch, I belive. There's more text at the website -- higher up the "tree" as it were. Websearches on her name turn up a lot, too. The draped undersleeve like that is seen in several other paintings of this time, most notably the Tres Riches Heures. > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 18:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBENmI3L014446 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:48:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBENlqXQ007612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENlmvC051064; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBENlieC050981 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A2E94338D1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:47:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:47:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A0AB8D.80802@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com So could the undergarment be exposed, used like a outer gown and the houppelande used like a coat? De -----Original Message----- Dutch, I belive. There's more text at the website -- higher up the "tree" as it were. Websearches on her name turn up a lot, too. The draped undersleeve like that is seen in several other paintings of this time, most notably the Tres Riches Heures. > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Feeling like your Middle Age is upon you? New design at my CafePress store, with a medieval woodcut of a pharmacist, a paen to OTC drugs, and a quote from Chaucer about old(er) age. Black T-shirt, various other colors & items: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures.39314581 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 19:02:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF02nXv014717 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:02:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF02LDZ010110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:02:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF02K18062418; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF02AGC062305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBENrifN023523 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:53:44 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A0B27F.6030507@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:02:07 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com otsisto wrote: > So could the undergarment be exposed, used like a outer gown and the > houppelande used like a coat? I'm quite sure that most of the time a houppelande was like a coat, or maybe a sweater (jumper to you in the UK.) There was at least one outer gown under there, of several different potential types (one being the Van Der Weyden kirtle a la Mary Magdalen.) I don't know if the sleeve drape was like a lower circle sewn on, like you see on some young women's sleeves today, or if it was another sleeve like the angle-wing ones. This particular picture seems like it must be more like the circle-on-the-sleeve sort, but the TRH ones look a bit more like another big houp sleeve. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 14 21:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF2CvPk017214 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:12:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF2CMc6026572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF2CFUf046283; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF2CBEO046163 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.dd.34049f1d (4238) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:11:50 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas nighties X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear list, I shared with you all my frustrations on measuring elastic for children who were far away a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't able to incorporate any of your suggestions this time, but did find ready-made garments to measure for a guide. I believe I mentioned that one reason to send the garments completely finished, rather than having their mom try to finish the casings, is that they would want to put the garments on immediately. Well, that is what happened. Because the family will be traveling for two weeks at Christmas, they opened their gifts Monday night, and we watched via web cam. The did indeed immediately put on their nightgowns. (Also gratifying was that the older one instantly recognized that they were the same fabric I had used to make them pillows for their birthdays.) Ah, modern technology! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 00:09:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF59ClG019744 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:09:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF58dq2043757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF58Zhg047697; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF58UUp047622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.209] (pool180-209.patriot.net [209.249.180.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBF5809J009824 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:08:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <439FA7B2.80009@floodcity.net> References: <200512131408.jBDE8HQ5063222@net.indra.com> <439FA7B2.80009@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:05:34 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] Re:Colonial costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Kitty, Ok, I think I see what you mean - two strips of lace form a "V" that suggests a stomacher. Which is not at all how gowns of the era were made. Also they typically had low necklines, not a jewel neck. A riding habit would have a high neck, but not a gown. To fill in the neckline (for style or protection from the sun) she can wear a handkerchief. That will also conceal the fact that the dress has a jewel neckline. Some 20th/21st century women like that the handkerchief offers modesty, but in the 18thC a nice bustline is fashionable and not immodest. I like Albert Cat's idea of a solid dark blue or green. Don't bother with lace on the front at all. Get a somewhat sheer cotton for engenentes (ruffles at the cuffs) and an apron, and you can make the handkerchief out of it, too. >her girls all have a colonial styled costume, and she wants one too >so they can wear them together. her girls costumes have a psudo >stomacher, created with a V of lace on the front of the dress. My >friend wants to use this design feature on her dress, to create a >bit of distraction on the front of the dress to minimize her width. >She has a large bosom, but the dress will in no way expose her, it >has a jeweled neckline. She called me the other day to ask me what >lines to add to the skirt to be most becoming to her keeping her >size in mind. I am the most experieced sewist of our bunch and the >oldest. so I somehow became the "expert" of our group. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 02:55:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF7tbcM000723 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:55:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF7t7iF058159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF7svqa033525; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF7spmT033462 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jBF7r7Z8022075 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:53:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:54:51 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greetings, I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the middle of the top... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 03:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF85vld003428 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF85J3s059303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF85Hgl039683; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF85DTI039632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBF7umfN028021 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:56:48 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:56:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:05:11 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Does anyone have a record > of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I > had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new > clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil > right in the middle of the top... Hair shampoo works fairly well as a first-pass; rub it in, wait a few minutes, throw in the washer. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 03:15:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBF8FAUw005625 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:15:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBF8EU84060171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF8EPNW044624; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBF8EJWX044514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 16615 invoked by uid 507); 15 Dec 2005 19:14:18 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 19:14:18 +1100 Message-ID: <005801c6014f$8ae1b610$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon><4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:14:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I did the same thing to my new expensive dressing gown last week. I just threw it in the heavy duty laundry soaker and fairly hot water, and it came out quickly and easily. Must be the week for it - I just dropped some tartare sauce on my top (eating prawns - the wonders of Christmas in Summer!), so I'll get that in the soak now. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric > Greetings, > > I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed > archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record of > these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I had an > encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, > naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the > middle of the top... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 06:49:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFBnO7p020026 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFBmie6096879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFBmbNu048910; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFBmYwM048850 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:48:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:48:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:48:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 11:48:29.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[77479200:01C6016D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My mother in law swears by cheap kid's bubblebath...kinda like the father in "my Big Fat Greek Wedding" and his 'Windex', the bubblebath will remove almost any stain. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Cynthia Virtue >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:05:11 -0500 > >Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >>Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they can >>email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding bottle of >>salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a >>large blob of olive oil right in the middle of the top... > >Hair shampoo works fairly well as a first-pass; rub it in, wait a few >minutes, throw in the washer. > >-- >Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 07:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFC2t4s023158 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 795 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/15/05 11:53:16 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I was disappointed that Mrs. Beaver didn't get her new sewing > >machine from Father Christmas in the movie. now that's just not fair - poor mrs beaver. a couple of weeks the telegraph newspaper (UK) were giving away a free cd of the story, and even though it's seriously abridged, she still got her new machine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 10:48:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFFmEkC028618 for ; 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format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 15:47:18.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[D41249F0:01C6018E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >From: Karen R Bergquist >...rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about >4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian >rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China >is so remarkable. Except that it really shouldn't be.- it's not like they were found in the Yangtze basin. They're from an area where "Caucasians" were known to be historically; and a much shorter walk from the assumed areas where the "Indo-European" ancestors are supposed to be from than any of the other areas where we know they went to the west and south. Some going east makes perfect sense. We just tend to assume that if something happened in a particular geographical region, everyone in that region must be alike. It's similar to the current argueent that since Egypt is in Africa, Cleopatra must have been black, and ignoring the whole reality of regional ethnic types (and more so of their placement 2000 years ago). Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGUlBn029304 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGSCfE033739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGS9Zi033832; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGS3dp033648 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4DGNMAERWHDJ for (sender ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCAAY5TV; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:26:56 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:26:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:26:38 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051215.082656.12706.123302@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 3ae0607460e5bdf0e5bd7571bd75a57dd5c55569cd65c5518425cd055111906451800185e035e029157559bde071 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72Edidh9Vbsij7kLz/I/eYBjw97crq05yw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.165|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBFGUlBn029304 Well, since the ethnic Chinese who discovered them and the locals in the area thought it was weird that the mummies were Caucasian, that's good enough for me. While the Silk and Spice Roads were known to be in operation 1000 to 2000 years ago, finding these people in that area put the whole timeline of the area back several thousand years. I have the book and it makes it quite clear that the AGE of the finds was what they found remarkable- more recent Caucasian remains wouldn't have been as odd. Also, these folks appear to be from a Celtic/Proto-Celtic (in the broadest sense of Celtic, I'm not talking about Irish!) people judging from their fabric. The fabric was found with a clear twill weave, something that the Chinese didn't use. Of course in retrospect it's clear that some people went east instead of west in the migrations that brought the Celtic people all over the Eurasian continent, it's just that these finds were the first evidence that a Celtic people moved that far east and settled there. Karen Seamstrix -- "Marc Carlson" wrote: >From: Karen R Bergquist >...rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about >4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian >rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China >is so remarkable. Except that it really shouldn't be.- it's not like they were found in the Yangtze basin. They're from an area where "Caucasians" were known to be historically; and a much shorter walk from the assumed areas where the "Indo-European" ancestors are supposed to be from than any of the other areas where we know they went to the west and south. Some going east makes perfect sense. We just tend to assume that if something happened in a particular geographical region, everyone in that region must be alike. It's similar to the current argueent that since Egypt is in Africa, Cleopatra must have been black, and ignoring the whole reality of regional ethnic types (and more so of their placement 2000 years ago). Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGZfoL029390 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGX3BD034363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGX2TT038148; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGWtei037947 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:33:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70163 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 16:32:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s9PfjPDn18HYZu4kvivXFGI8IJaUDosZuf3DIcLKtdew2/kfka+I6L29L/TfOh/o0yMGKPjDoL7Q6VhY6dKIWudKYZyHqJW+DuGyqwO5aZovPfqJs++P6NXaMxVAlRHgnOpeNPAg6gwqHci0VmdH4+y1k4T+ZeZLJnDO0odYvLQ= ; Message-ID: <20051215163249.70158.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:49 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512151150.jBFBnNAs049350@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:colonial costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Yes, do try to get her to upgrade to a more authentic dress, instead of a costume. Bottom line, it looks better. you don't have to go the whole hog authentic route, many "adjustments" can be made to make it easier/faster/more accessible 1. wear correct underpinnings. That corset stays pattern that is still available in butterick (.99 cent on sale if your lucky) can be made pretty quickly. and it is a good shape. and it goes up to patterns size 22 (This one is on my ironing board to start making soon. at least I got it cut out!) It does not have many bones and could actually be made without any. AND IT"S WAY WAY more comfortable than ANY 20/21st century bra. WAY WAY MORE COMFORTABLE ( Yes I am shouting. I have HUM very large bosoms. I'd rather wear stays any day. You can't pick up things from the floor, but... it's way better than any bra) 2. Use the petticoat and dress variation. It makes a large behind and hippal area look OK, just like you have several petticoats on. The bodice attached to the waist makes things fit a bit funny 3. Linen is way better for hot than cotton. It can be hard to find linen sometimes. The combination of reasons 1 and 2 will give you a smooth line . The lace V over a modern underwear combination is kind of bloppy to me. One of the American 18 cent high flyers, (Barbara Delory I think, I will try to find that web site and cite it properly), did a side by side comparison of a women fully dressed out in 18 cent real stuff next to a woman in 18th cent costume (the bra look) Now I'm prejudiced, and an authenticity pusher, but Plus which she will be the center of good attention 18th cent Mia in Charlottetown, NC, Who wnats to replicate a painting for her next outfit. ONe of the figures George stubbs the haymakers ca. 1790 or so. Big Black bonnett, blue linen gown and petticaot. white apron) working class..... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGrUgR029689 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGpvZQ036959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGpqxL056021; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGpm30055880 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4DH2FAZ29LGA for (sender ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCACDLPZ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:51:13 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:51:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:51:08 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) 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Here's one of the pertinent passages. "According to Chinese historical documents, the Han Chinese themselves began to move into Central Asia only around 120B.C., struggling to open up regular trade with the West. So historians would not particularly expect Chinese mummies in Central Asia in the second millenium B.C. But why not Mongoloid? Archeologists and linguists alike had assumed that the Mongol-type peoples had 'always' inhabited this entire area, ever since the spread of Homo sapiens sapiens around the globe at the end of the Ice Age forty thousand years ago. They also assumed central and northern Asia to be the general homeland of the Altaic linguistic group, which today includes Mongol and the various Turkic and Tungusic languages. (Northern Central Asia was of course the heartland from which emanated the great invasions of Turks and Mongols during our own millneium.) To find Caucasians was a surprise." Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 11:57:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFGvZSb029772 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFGvH7G037652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFGvEVe060545; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFGvBbI060425 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80455 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 16:57:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kUIGs/d5ghaHPaIjvt/VNcX0d7RKEwXb/VFuqBh5MVExmL/q+RIXQSrY458JWFSPdzkVPsQKTwRnEj+7SDhRa/MSz1Zh0L17X/FpH4JLwZSZ0QjM8MNIYp6dutKdiIn2E6QvU3VfwYgc70uBi8hbMBxes+lYW65r7dSJ7jlBh08= ; Message-ID: <20051215165706.80453.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:57:06 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512151150.jBFBnNAs049350@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 795 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/18cnel/delorey5.htm This si old, so of course the picture is dead or something Mia in Charlotte, NC, now done trying to convert costume to clothes. as in "Wait, this isn't a costume, these are my clothes!" --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHJW69030153 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHJDBb040780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHJ8dq080673; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHIxF6080523 for ; 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Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:25:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:25:14 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7CFB3A55042F0-11A8-B1AB@FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.237) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:25:14 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. ;-) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:19:14 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] historical action figures I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHdaR0030630 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHbubT043156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHbrVw097390; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHbnRA097301 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86B663616C for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:47 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051215.085113.12706.123531@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mongoloid, I believe is a physical description not an ethnic description. Perhaps you are looking for "Mongolian"? Sorry I stand corrected: "A genetically and physiologically identifiable race of the human species. Includes people of north and east Asia, Malaysians, and American Indians. Orientals are part of this race." De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHjgxt030738 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:45:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHj440043919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHixml003826; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFHioUA003669 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52316 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.113.162 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 17:44:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215174404.01d95410@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:44:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures In-Reply-To: <8C7CFB3A55042F0-11A8-B1AB@FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com> References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> <8C7CFB3A55042F0-11A8-B1AB@FWM-M35.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 17:25 15/12/2005, you wrote: >I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: > >This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head >Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. I'm very taken with the lederhosen! http://www.mcphee.com/items/11138.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHwkw6030984 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:58:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHw20O045648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHw00L015464; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHvtnp015378 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C165F36086 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:54 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com What is the fiber content? If not silk, usually a pre-treatment of the spot or the whole blouse, in Shout, Dreft, oxi-clean, goop, Era, Woolite...etc. Wash in warm. Sometimes a second wash is needed (but rarely). De Who worked at a McDonalds for six years and had to deal with oil and grease on uniforms. -----Original Message----- Greetings, I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the middle of the top... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 12:59:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFHxXFL031008 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFHrlVc044993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFHrdbB011465; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFHrTKs011162 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4DMLZAZHQLBJ for (sender ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCAFVED9; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:52:17 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:29:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) Message-ID: <20051215.112918.-581145.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-32 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 11:5:3886351656 X-MAIL-INFO: 0058993599cd75b9cd759d7c759d6c6d78452d28218d454908a921a549d9f90149e1b80c58885881059d8575587c X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72Edidh9VbsitPGph75RSSF6riBk6o6qjQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I actually did shy away from using that term, but it's a quote from the book. And I believe one of the reasons that what used to be called 'Mongolism' is now known as Down's Syndrome is to get away from unflattering ethnic comparisons. Besides, I have it on good authority that children with DS in the orient are thought to look more Caucasian....... Karen Seamstrix On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:55 -0600 "otsisto" writes: > Mongoloid, I believe is a physical description not an ethnic > description. > Perhaps you are looking for "Mongolian"? > > Sorry I stand corrected: > "A genetically and physiologically identifiable race of the human > species. > Includes people of north and east Asia, Malaysians, and American > Indians. > Orientals are part of this race." > De > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:13:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIDwUh031264 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:13:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIDDxx047629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFID8ON029217; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFICt9x028914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Emxap-0003D5-BJ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:39 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:39 -0600 Message-ID: <20051215121239.blbx4bes6lss08sw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:12:39 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43A123B7.5050800@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >> Does anyone have a record of these threads or a good tip that they >> can email me off list since I had an encounter with an exploding >> bottle of salad dressing (wearing new clothes, naturally), and I >> need to deal with a large blob of olive oil right in the middle of >> the top... > I always had good luck with a commercial degreaser (Fuller-Brush makes one as does Shacklee) -- and the Shacklee Basic H. (my folks used to sell Shacklee at one time -- that's my only connection). Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:15:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIFJQc031299 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:15:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIEtC8047958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIEsSe031132; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIEnYi031055 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Emxcu-00044F-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <7472595.1134670488467.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:14:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In fact, the lederhosen is THE gift for my brother-in-law, who's usually quite difficult to shop for! Thanks for this site--I've dropped a few bucks but it was a lot of fun. I do wish Wilde had been more accessorized, but I'm not sure what I would have added. Perhaps a lace handkerchief. I direct a staged-readings series and wish I had had the Poe action figure to sit by our mailing-list sign-up when we did Jeffrey Hatcher's MURDER BY POE this past October! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke Sent: Dec 15, 2005 12:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures At 17:25 15/12/2005, you wrote: >I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: > >This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head >Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. I'm very taken with the lederhosen! http://www.mcphee.com/items/11138.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:24:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIOli9031499 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFINwOd049031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFINtlW039076; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFINpPE038965 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 21951 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 18:23:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Raypbzn40EwDjtH8Zf6wWGtZzuGku2OZgLjEuRqFXiEN+PxJdW1IaPC/n4rlkv3/xB6wWyaljvKu6METd/V10UTjI/sl2+24cXEVV5gFIUmIlI8esHfF0JwmZLf2RYj2FD0ZyCTJTbdpAP8Q9RoTW5l7O2u3DWaeeY5EzhFi4ys= ; Message-ID: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:23:46 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215174404.01d95410@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a guide. She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or not. any help give is much appreaciated. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:38:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIc4rq031743 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIbTuO050862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIbPxm050926; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIbK8V050818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.9] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.14.0-03) with SMTP id 3e7b1a34.1555241904.153110.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:36:54 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:36:53 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB65@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] historical action figures Thread-Index: AcYBpQGg1M9FAbAqT1Oi2EJBLKjc+QAAS7tg From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 18:36:54.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[85B776F0:01C601A6] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBFIbK8V050818 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er figure: This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. ;-) ~Kimberley ******************** Trust me, m'dear, you aren't the only one. ;) I may have to purchase the Casanova figure, so he can ride on my shoulder to the movie when it opens. It is a little disturbing to note that I am one cat short of the Crazy Cat Lady figure, though. :/ Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 13:53:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFIrPMY032024 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIqioS052530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIqcP6063948; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIqYNB063864 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IRJ00554Z384W30@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:52:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:45 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] getting oil stains out of fabric In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43A1BE11.1070705@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <005901c5b868$89bcab80$6701a8c0@kimathlon> <4326E1B4.3070206@msn.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215015112.01cf57b0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have had reasonable luck using dish washing detergent on such stains. Jeanine Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings, > > I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past but the changed > archives don't seem to give me what I need. Does anyone have a record > of these threads or a good tip that they can email me off list since I > had an encounter with an exploding bottle of salad dressing (wearing > new clothes, naturally), and I need to deal with a large blob of olive > oil right in the middle of the top... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJ3Lhr032177 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFIvZWr053245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIvWbR068145; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m105.mxlogic.net (p03m105.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFIvRBI068053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m105.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.14.0-03) with SMTP id 99cb1a34.1429355440.193830.p03m105.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:55:31 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB66@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Woven Fabrics Website Thread-Index: AcYBqSEw5Y1QjepcQKi385mXHBDdgw== From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 18:55:31.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FB404B0:01C601A9] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woven Fabrics Website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBFJ3Lhr032177 Hello! I was just perusing the web a bit, and ran across this: http://www.thistlehillweavers.com/ They do reproduction weaving of period fabric, which I thought might be of use to some. Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:03:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJ3dsN032185 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFJ2TF7054272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJ2OGd072699; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJ2JEU072577 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=BCvhaSKlDbHMH0/O2uzycZV797EndjKB2edJkEKr/2Hob5vF8ypwzCegs2z5CPmF; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.60] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmyMr-0003td-D6 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:02:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01d901c601aa$10e59fb0$70159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:02:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b7996aa46cc7d776fdbd40475432a0fa7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.60 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] historical action figures >I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:05:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJ5Nqb032215 for ; 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Received: from [4.155.21.60] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmyPH-0006LD-Cd for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:04:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01dd01c601aa$6a4b84c0$70159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:04:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b31a276cdbc2d5a947b345b6f608138fb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.60 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thank you for that link; it certainly cheered up my day. Although I am not a big fan of unicorns, I could be persuaded to make an exception for the one on this site... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:40:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJe79d000471 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:40:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFJdf4E058896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJddOB004227; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJdZjv004190 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24799.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.153]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0963D2628F0 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:39:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:39:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Alexandria. It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the 1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies. The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question > During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I > think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of > doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the > doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and > didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a > better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a > guide. > > She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my > period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. > > Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in > England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could > be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the > 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or > not. > > any help give is much appreaciated. > > Alexandria > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 14:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFJeXqt000478 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:40:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFJXbLb058276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJXZN6099372; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJXVHl099321 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24799.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.153]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 95EC7262833 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c601ae$6f1a2700$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi Dawn, Its hillarious, Marie Antoinette has a removable head........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] historical action figures >I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:43:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKhDXa001720 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKgMCZ066282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKgEm5057066; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKg8CL056913 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.213.f5ee649 (4560) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <213.f5ee649.30d32f10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:41:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/15/2005 2:40:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know. *************************** I like the idea that girls selling bread in the market place would carry it in baskets on each hip, and throw their petticoats over the baskets to keep them protected....thus the name Pannier ["pan" is French for bread] But it is true that dome shaped hoops are seen early, like in the 1730s and at court they become very elongated and wide to display the unbelievably incredible embroidery on court mantuas in the 1740s and 50s. The style gets its best proportions in the 1760s [the style you most often see....like in films like "Dangerous Liaisons"] but starts to wane then so that they are old fashioned....or reserved for evening wear [and court] ...by the late 1770s and 80s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKjqWU001770 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjGkM066561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjGHu059656; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFJhtQj007791 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:43:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Panniers question Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:43:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 19:43:50.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF51C360:01C601AF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Often, in the 18thC, dolls were used to portray the latest fashions from abroad. The dolls would then make their way to the hands of children to play with. But they usually started out as 'fashion magazines' for lack of a better term. You can usually rely on them to portray fashions of the period. There may be dress dolls closer to where you live that you can study further, as they were quite common. I'm not sure where you are located, but check your local museums. I know that there are some right here in the Maritime Provinces of Canada. As for dates...pannier are mid century. A good rule of thumb, the wider, the higher the class of dress. For hoops and panier anyway. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Alex Doyle >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) > >During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I >think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of >doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the >doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and >didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a >better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a >guide. > > She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not >my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. > > Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn >in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could >be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the >14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or >not. > > any help give is much appreaciated. > > Alexandria >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKkAuk001782 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjeBq066620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjd7i059991; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFKWnfd049102 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77015 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.113.162 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 20:32:42 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215195851.01d97cb8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:32:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question In-Reply-To: <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne wrote >It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the >1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened >and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew >smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies. >The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. >French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge >panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. >The english version, i dont know. The wide pannier continued at the English court, as Court Dress, until the death of Queen Charlotte (well in to the 19th century) as it was her preference. I believe the Prince Regent hated the fashion, and as soon as his mother was dead, ordered that it should not be worn again. I do not have chapter and verse for his feelings, but I do have fashion plates of Regency style bodices, with panniers starting under the bust!! Suzi >>During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll >>that I think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon >>the style of doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't >>have a date on the doll and of course I was deep in a whole other >>project at the time and didn't ask if there was more >>information. So now that I need to get a better date if possible, >>I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a guide. >> >> She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle >> thing-it's not my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. >> >> Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was >> worn in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a >> museum that could be using toys from the families that have lived >> in this house since the 14th century, but I don't know if this >> doll was a gift to the museum or not. >> >> any help give is much appreaciated. >> >> Alexandria >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKkC2q001786 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjpew066676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjos6060156; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFKhHCZ057866 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 36730 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 20:43:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gl/6qfYMipmEvzwL5S9HWjZrygFSb+UYdnSEeH6U6zEOr1jT9E7N9Wm8gvie+U8EbzS4Ss3QPiyaAvbFyPcVz2C+4m580zcWIG8Wt7s2+tGKoh1XQHsUdoiVxMA777Gcap5Ur3AK01SL9c5WrZlk4sDcR52dMxP0R8pkrDtayQQ= ; Message-ID: <20051215204307.36728.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:07 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I think this is the flatter and extending to the side style, so about the mid 1700's? I would have loved that this doll was earlier, but it does help establish that the doll styles stayed the same for quite some time, so that's good too. thanks alexandria oh, yes, last week I got this package from Denmark and my roommate wants to open it to see what it is. He especially wants the stamps from the package. :) told him was a christmas present and he couldn't touch it yet. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Dear Alexandria. It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the 1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies. The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa. French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] Panniers question > During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I > think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of > doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the > doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and > didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a > better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a > guide. > > She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my > period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong. > > Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in > England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could > be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the > 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or > not. > > any help give is much appreaciated. > > Alexandria > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFKkCIs001785 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFKjsmR066684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjq1D060194; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFKjkls060088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBFKjY0B031223 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0500 Received: from 67.94.1.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21412.67.94.1.18.1134679538.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> References: <43A1A592.1050401@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Naturally you tell us about this site AFTER we're finished shopping for the H-Cost gift exchange. A friend & I were recently discussing who is sexier, Ben Franklin or Elvis... -Carol > I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 16:03:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFL3oH4002041 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:03:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFL1pXC068668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFL1h18074228; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFL1Z3U074045 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12523 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:01:34 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] historical action figures Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:01:36 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] historical action figures Thread-Index: AcYBuRoO+jK/uiAcRtW2wKuFkV3SlgAAUukg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBFL1Z3U074045 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I vote for Ben Franklin--fascinating conversationalist probably and intelligence is always sexier. Men at the French Court must have been mystified with Franklin's popularity with females. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of aquazoo@patriot.net Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures Naturally you tell us about this site AFTER we're finished shopping for the H-Cost gift exchange. A friend & I were recently discussing who is sexier, Ben Franklin or Elvis... -Carol > I make no claims about the costuming, but the concept is cute: > > http://www.mcphee.com/categories/action.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 16:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFLNc4a002355 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:23:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFLHuBn070675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLHpQn087834; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLHgEL087657 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:17:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512151824.jBFIO0pH039160@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:17:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 21:17:39.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA4C6D70:01C601BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Chinese Mummies (was Humans in England, 700k years?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >From: "penhalion@juno.com" >Well, since the ethnic Chinese who discovered them and the locals in the >area thought it >was weird that the mummies were Caucasian, that's good enough for me. Glad to hear it. There are apparently plenty of Chinese records of the Tocharians being blond and red haired and blue eyed until the area was overrun by the Uighar (proto-Turkish) people in the 8th century. Since I can't read Chinese I can'g tell you that in fact the records actually SAY that, but that they are said to. >While the Silk and Spice Roads were known to be in operation 1000 to 2000 >years ago, >finding these people in that area put the whole timeline of the >area back several thousand >years. I have the book and it makes it quite >clear that the AGE of the finds was what they >found remarkable- more >recent Caucasian remains wouldn't have been as odd. Thank you, I have read the book. I have actually kept pretty current on the literature about the mumies from the whole Taklamakan/Tarim Basin area. >...Also, these folks appear to be from a Celtic/Proto-Celtic (in the >broadest sense of Celtic, >I'm not talking about Irish!) people judging >from their fabric. The fabric was found with a >clear twill weave, >something that the Chinese didn't use. Of course in retrospect it's clear > >that some people went east instead of west in the migrations that brought >the Celtic >people all over the Eurasian continent, it's just that these >finds were the first evidence >that a Celtic people moved that far! The Tocharians are "Celtic" in the sense that the Romans, Greeks, and Hittites are "celtic". To say they are "celtic" or even proto-celtic because of their fabrics suggests that no other Indo-European language peoples used those fabrics - and I'm pretty sure that we don't have the archaeological evidence to say that. It's a sexy over-simplication because people think Celts are cool and so by tying these folks to Celts means that they must be interesting to study as well. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 16:36:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFLa1M0002595 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:36:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFLZeiG072659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLZWmA003173; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFLZOwh002890 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830D97608 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8FABB2 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:03 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:35:02 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Thread-Index: AcYBbuRddz+RzADMSOOTxclO9TUIeAATJhmw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 21:35:03.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[689D2BF0:01C601BF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBFLZOwh002890 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > I don't know if the sleeve drape was like a lower circle sewn > on, like > you see on some young women's sleeves today, or if it was > another sleeve > like the angle-wing ones. This particular picture seems like > it must be > more like the circle-on-the-sleeve sort, but the TRH ones look a bit > more like another big houp sleeve. FYI, there is a Italian (I think) style (a bit earlier then the time of the Tres Riche Hours) that has what looks like circles attached to/acting as the cuffs of the gothic fitted dress's sleeves. There is a picture in _Parades et Parures_ by Odile Blanc. (it's the front piece. For those of you who read French [not me] the description is: 1. La seduction detournant de l'etude. Alors que le corps feminin reste enclos dans une veture continue et monochrome, la parure masculine rend le corps a une diversite des formes et des couleurs. (I had to drop all the accents - I hope it's still decipherable) Elsewhere in the book it attributes the picture to Boccace, "Des clereset nobles femmes". Page 59, 125, 173, 185 and 217 all show other pictures from the same manuscript (all of which give different views of the bell-cuffs. The last one shows a gothic fitted dress with the cuffs, without the houpelande). Page 193 also gives a picture of a long bell-cuff from a different manuscript, the "Bible historiale", no author given. It is my believe that this is a separate style from the "angle-wing" under sleeves you see in Tres Riche. -sunny Following on the discussion of this link: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z P.S. 2: I can't seem to find a link to an illumination of Boccaccio, "Concerning Famous Women" on line (which is what I'm guessing the translation of "Des clereset nobles femmes" is) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 17:03:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFM364O003069 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFM2RA5076720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFM2Gb2026880; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFM295F026702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1En1AW-0007ve-7I; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0600 Message-ID: <20051215160144.gmii6dlv8zkg8w84@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:44 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quoting sunshine_buchler@agilent.com: > > FYI, there is a Italian (I think) style (a bit earlier then the time > of the Tres Riche Hours) that has what looks like circles attached > to/acting as the cuffs of the gothic fitted dress's sleeves. There is > a picture in _Parades et Parures_ by Odile Blanc. (it's the front > piece. For those of you who read French [not me] the description is: > > 1. La seduction detournant de l'etude. Alors que le corps feminin > reste enclos dans une veture continue et monochrome, la parure > masculine rend le corps a une diversite des formes et des couleurs. > > (I had to drop all the accents - I hope it's still decipherable) > Elsewhere in the book it attributes the picture to Boccace, "Des > clereset nobles femmes". Page 59, 125, 173, 185 and 217 all show > other pictures from the same manuscript (all of which give different > views of the bell-cuffs. The last one shows a gothic fitted dress > with the cuffs, without the houpelande). Page 193 also gives a > picture of a long bell-cuff from a different manuscript, the "Bible > historiale", no author given. *cool* Are any of these images online anywhere? Thanks! Susan > > It is my believe that this is a separate style from the "angle-wing" > under sleeves you see in Tres Riche. > -sunny > > Following on the discussion of this link: > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z > > P.S. 2: I can't seem to find a link to an illumination of Boccaccio, > "Concerning Famous Women" on line (which is what I'm guessing the > translation of "Des clereset nobles femmes" is) > I know that there's *some* Boccaccio on a BNF site, but I don't speak french, so I have *no* clue as to how to go about finding them. *sigh* Jerusha, the linquistically illiterate ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 17:25:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFMPOfB003531 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFMOqZX080475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFMOmiF046709; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBFMOipu046570 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 20639 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 22:24:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K3ZhuaYxgqO+xmypQkXrSFE5YLfAFP9MoV6MsvTZJJJ5UYfm9yOI81oMxZB53adeqPWooGLp5Heni7hsjbi8fLL5Mu3KIdFuLNKLZCPt/oGga64GYE1ZXuu50ngGHR/vazQzZhBj9MZ/v1ol0jmURFmzWwVs1Z/l0cSXbDOstp8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.29?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.29 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 22:24:38 -0000 Message-ID: <43A1ED2B.4070504@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:24:43 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical action figures References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB65@denpexmb01-dex-bup> In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FB65@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Greetings-- McClure, Kate wrote: > I had to snicker over this blurb from the Marie Antoinette doll, er > figure: > This 5-1/2" tall, hard vinyl figure features amazing "Ejector Head > Action," and comes with a removable plastic wig and dress. For the 13th century geek like me, the Pope Innocent III action figure is da bomb. Someone out there knew which pope was considered to have reigned at the apex of the medieval papacy, rather than just picking one of those trendy popes like Julian II. The best part is the little Latin scroll that comes with him, which is not translated anywhere on the packaging. It reads, in English, "Kiss my a**, son of a Hohenstaufen." Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 17:30:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFMUAAg003607 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:30:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFMTF6Q081002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFMTEd7050365; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFMTAHv050296 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id E9581145AE2; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.66.184.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.66.184]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 482BB1455A6 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023201c601c5$337c7f60$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F05EBF@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:15:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've been pondering the long, circle-ona-fitted-sleeve type of early 15thC sleeves for a while, and I've noticed... there doesn't seem to be any seam between the circly type part and the rest of the sleeve. In other words, NOT a circle sewn on, but rather a dramatic flare starting at the wrist. Has anyone seen a painting/illumination/etc that seems to indicate a seam there? For example, in the recently posted painting, there seems to be no disconnect in the fabric's pattern... it looks like it was cut all of a piece with the rest of the sleeve. -E House, ponders too much for her own good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 18:48:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBFNmGpV004861 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBFNljOi090579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFNlfZM013895; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBFNlc9i013831 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2327236164 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:47:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:47:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <023201c601c5$337c7f60$9b00a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Following on the discussion of this link: > http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-c-1454.z +++ (snip) For example, in the recently posted painting, there seems to be no disconnect in the fabric's pattern... it looks like it was cut all of a piece with the rest of the sleeve. -E House, ponders too much for her own good. ===== E.H., I don't think you can use the above as an example for your theory (which is quite good) because where the seam would be is covered by the houppe's dagging on her right and well the left....hmmmm...can someone make out what is on the gold lining near her hand? Looks like a poor seam stitching. Anyway that attachment to sleeve seam is covered if it was there. The Marie of Hungary dress http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/hungarian_cutting.jpg shows a conical piece attached to the sleeve. This does not mean that the previous picture's "cuffs" are made that way but are more like to have been. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:02:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG02aSv005095 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG026pF092183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG022qw024168; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG01pC1024027 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733708B for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF81AF6 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F0601C@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Thread-Index: AcYBxNCiRFRFyBqHTvieAAAUzrjbOAADOVwQ From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 00:01:41.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4CFAAE0:01C601D3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBG01pC1024027 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > *cool* Are any of these images online anywhere? In my quick (~15 minutes) on-line search I didn't find anything. But I'm not very familiar with the on-line manuscript archives... My search was limited to goggling various terms. Sorry! I would've liked to have given links in my earlier e-mail rather then referring to page numbers in a fairly obscure book (at least obscure to us English speakers :-) ) > I know that there's *some* Boccaccio on a BNF site, but I don't speak > french, so I have *no* clue as to how to go about finding them. > > *sigh* It doesn't help that Boccaccio wrote in Italian, so I was attempting to come up with the English versions based on the translation from Italian into French and then trying to come up with the correct English term based on the French... Game of telephone, anyone? :-) The full attribution in the back of the book for the Boccaccio manuscript was: Paris, Bibliotheque nationale, ms. Fr. 598, Bocacce, Des cleres et nobles femmes, Paris, vers 1403, fol. 6v. The different pictures I referenced have different numbers for the Fr. 598 number, and different folio versions listed, though all have the 1403 date. -sunny P.S. for those of you seriously into the "high middle ages", about half the pictures in _Parades et Parures_ were not ones I recognized. I've felt the book was well worth purchasing despite my inability to actually _read_ it :-). I got mine from amazon.fr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:02:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG02aOa005096 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:02:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG01qc4092156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG01oJm024062; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG01kQu023977 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADC7400 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705E0AFE for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06F0601C@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Thread-Index: AcYBxNCiRFRFyBqHTvieAAAUzrjbOAADOVwQ From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 00:01:41.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4CFAAE0:01C601D3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBG01kQu023977 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > *cool* Are any of these images online anywhere? In my quick (~15 minutes) on-line search I didn't find anything. But I'm not very familiar with the on-line manuscript archives... My search was limited to goggling various terms. Sorry! I would've liked to have given links in my earlier e-mail rather then referring to page numbers in a fairly obscure book (at least obscure to us English speakers :-) ) > I know that there's *some* Boccaccio on a BNF site, but I don't speak > french, so I have *no* clue as to how to go about finding them. > > *sigh* It doesn't help that Boccaccio wrote in Italian, so I was attempting to come up with the English versions based on the translation from Italian into French and then trying to come up with the correct English term based on the French... Game of telephone, anyone? :-) The full attribution in the back of the book for the Boccaccio manuscript was: Paris, Bibliotheque nationale, ms. Fr. 598, Bocacce, Des cleres et nobles femmes, Paris, vers 1403, fol. 6v. The different pictures I referenced have different numbers for the Fr. 598 number, and different folio versions listed, though all have the 1403 date. -sunny P.S. for those of you seriously into the "high middle ages", about half the pictures in _Parades et Parures_ were not ones I recognized. I've felt the book was well worth purchasing despite my inability to actually _read_ it :-). I got mine from amazon.fr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG0ocZo006011 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:50:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG0o0sZ098828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0nu8T055472; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0nqDa055432 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 85EC11BD3BB; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:49:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.120]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B4FF01BD45E for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:39:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:39:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bells on garments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The whole houppelande discussion got me in the mood for something: I think I wanna wear a bunch of bells on a gown. At the hem, or maybe tiny bells all over, like spangles. Funfunfun. Cold medicine. I'm thinking late 14thC/early 15thC would be the right era for it, but I've never really looked into anything involving bells before. Anyone know of a style (other than houppes, which I just plain don't feel like making) that would work well with this? Any literary mentions of it? Illuminations/paintings? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 19:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG0qIPd006070 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG0pnmK099214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0pmgY056836; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from atlas.concentric.com (atlas.concentric.com [207.155.252.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG0piUK056793 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by atlas.concentric.com id TAA06277; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:51:44 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200512160051.TAA06277@atlas.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:51:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200512151900.jBFJ0NN1070697@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBG0piUK056793 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] getting out oil stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I worked with a lady who worked for a LARGE uniform/professional linens company. Their first line of defense was hair spray - the cheap kind. It's been great on pen ink. I have oil stains on silk...i'll be trying my Aqua Net Julie > I have had reasonable luck using dish washing detergent on such stains. > > Jeanine > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 20:03:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG13flT006411 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:03:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG13JFt000851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG13GI5063709; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG13BdN063659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBG0sjfN006177 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:54:45 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:54:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:03:09 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com E House wrote: > The whole houppelande discussion got me in the mood for something: I > think I wanna wear a bunch of bells on a gown. At the hem, or maybe > tiny bells all over, like spangles. Funfunfun. Cold medicine. I'm > thinking late 14thC/early 15thC would be the right era for it, but I've > never really looked into anything involving bells before. Anyone know > of a style (other than houppes, which I just plain don't feel like > making) that would work well with this? Any literary mentions of it? > Illuminations/paintings? In some 30 minutes or so my updated bells-with-garb page will be live. Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html (If it doesn't have a picture of the Chaucer Squire at the top, it's the old version.) However, it doesn't directly address bells ON clothes, just bells WITH clothes. I don't think I've seen anything that looked like bells (or even bezants) on a hem. There were definitely instances of bezants all over one sleeve, and there's no reason you couldn't decide that they might have sometimes been bells. And sometimes they show up on the points of hoods, but not on the skirts, I think. As for houps vs. other, they do seem to be all houps, although some are the men's "aren't my cheeks cute" type of houp. The Museum of London Dress Accessories book has a number of citations, and you could check Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince for earlier. (Although I think I have looked there and found no bells.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 21:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG2Zg3C008995 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG2Yt2T010467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2YqdQ016952; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2Ylpi016898 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBG2R2e23542 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:27:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00a901c601ea$3aa05940$6cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:41:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Maybe you could do a "masque" costume? (You know, you're in the 16th or 17th century, and the local high muckety-muck is having a fancy event, and people are encouraged to come in a costume--it'd be what someone *then* would think someone from the 14th/15th century would wear). Find some historical character, or biblical, or a saint associated with bells or something, and work from there? Or maybe, something based on the pre-Raphaelites? "Lady of Shalot" with little, tinkling bells on your sleeves, or "Queen Mab," or something the littlest bit...fey...or romantic? ;o) --Sue, just tossing out ideas.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] bells on garments > The whole houppelande discussion got me in the mood for something: I think I > wanna wear a bunch of bells on a gown. At the hem, or maybe tiny bells all > over, like spangles. Funfunfun. Cold medicine. I'm thinking late > 14thC/early 15thC would be the right era for it, but I've never really > looked into anything involving bells before. Anyone know of a style (other > than houppes, which I just plain don't feel like making) that would work > well with this? Any literary mentions of it? Illuminations/paintings? > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 21:40:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG2evHf009260 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG2eZJi010967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2eYlG020240; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2eWcB020213 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id BF70217A8B9; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.120]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D7017B1B2 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:32:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =} If the seam were far enough up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would be changed. Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the bias, a circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape as one that flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong. It'll take an extant garment or a clear image of the flared sleeve with a seam to convince me. Speaking of extant garments, I'm afraid the Mary of Hungary dress isn't enough, either! It's almost a century older than this painting and much more than a century older than some of the earlier renditions of this sleeve. And above all, it just plain looks nothing like the style of sleeve in question. There are mid-15thC paintings that show sleeves similar to the M of H sleeve, all stiff and structured. Why would they consistently portray the same type of sleeve two very very different ways? (That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look like stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining portion, near the edge. It looks more like some characteristic of the fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning. The black spots on the edging of her right arm sleeve make it look to me like they are ermine lined, but given the aging it's hard to be sure. Either way, it's at the wrong place/angle to be stitching between circle and tube; it's at about a 45 degree angle to the edge of the sleeve's hem, which just wouldn't make sense. Of course, it doesn't make much sense for ermine, either, but anyway...) Sorry. I'm difficult, I know! =} Especially when I'm trying real hard to not come down with a cold... -E 'Zicam' House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 21:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG2tvZx009494 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:55:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG2rsTn012237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2rqx5028113; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG2rc2v027972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.86] (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBG2rWw6014447 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215195851.01d97cb8@127.0.0.1> References: <20051215182346.21949.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c601af$4e656410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051215195851.01d97cb8@127.0.0.1> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Panniers question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com There is an odd dress from the 1920s, I think in the Met - it has panniers and a train. It was worn at court, so I guess the order against panniers did not last forever! -Carol Suzi said, >The wide pannier continued at the English court, as Court Dress, >until the death of Queen Charlotte (well in to the 19th century) as >it was her preference. I believe the Prince Regent hated the >fashion, and as soon as his mother was dead, ordered that it should >not be worn again. I do not have chapter and verse for his feelings, >but I do have fashion plates of Regency style bodices, with panniers >starting under the bust!! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 22:12:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG3CNWB009863 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:12:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG3Bu97014018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3BtZO038281; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3Bp2D038245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:11:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.5]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1En60a-0000qF-35; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:11:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: sca-middle@midrealm.org, sca-bead@yahoogroups.com, spot@midrealm.org, BaronyFenix@yahoogroups.com, App list list , h-costume@indra.com From: jen funk segrest Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:11:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For the costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. I know I do! griz ========================================= verybigdesign.com | verybigblog.com | pixeldecor.com | ohikea.com domeorama.com | medievalbeads.com | macmentor.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 22:35:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG3Z8qG010882 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:35:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG3YewF016659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3YcPG050781; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG3YZ71050754 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LdCWA1ckV3hYl6B+F9dBAr64VVDvKX7AFCdVvTWtsIs9r4vmrdvsQDPnL+1fcVjQ; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.33] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1En6Mb-0003AU-VB for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: <042701c601f1$a053cb30$70159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] For the costumers Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b93e31c017cada73b37d0d30f9ead03c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.33 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com griz wrote: > St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. > I know I do! That's two for today. Thanks, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 23:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG4Fi4j011898 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG4FHpQ020927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4FCNE072565; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4F965072522 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97BA636074 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh how tacky. The things people create to sell. -----Original Message----- St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. I know I do! griz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 23:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG4Fi4K011897 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG4FHV6020928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4FCk8072566; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4F9tE072518 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 117203606A for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bells on garments Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com For some reason my system doesn't access the pictures as only three pictures show up and the rest are frames with a little box and red X in the upper left hand corner. De -----Original Message----- In some 30 minutes or so my updated bells-with-garb page will be live. Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html (If it doesn't have a picture of the Chaucer Squire at the top, it's the old version.) Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 15 23:54:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG4saEt012669 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG4rxoP024799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4rupw092797; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG4rlAj092693 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3C2136089 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:53:47 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Houppelande cuff was:with tie fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com -----Original Message----- No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =} If the seam were far enough up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would be changed. Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the bias, a circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape as one that flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong. *disagree. I have seen medium weight linen, lined circular cuffs hang this way. But my argument was of the strong possibility of an attached cuff with the Maria of Hungary dress as an example that such a thing was done. I am more inclined to believe because of the economical way they usually cut fabric, that it was a conical shaped cuff then the circular. Your theory of no seam at wrist is more feasible then the circular attached cuff but not necessarily the conical attached cuff. <<(That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look like stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining portion, near the edge. It looks more like some characteristic of the fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning. The black spots on the edging of her right arm sleeve make it look to me like they are ermine lined, but given the aging it's hard to be sure. Either way, it's at the wrong place/angle to be stitching between circle and tube; it's at about a 45 degree angle to the edge of the sleeve's hem, which just wouldn't make sense. Of course, it doesn't make much sense for ermine, either, but anyway...) -E 'Zicam' House Sorry I wasn't clear. I am not saying that the "stitches are the cuff to sleeve" seam but asking if it was a seam. Both "stitch" areas correlate to where seams would be on a straight sleeve. If these are seams, then it seems to strengthen to some point your argument for no wrist seam. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 04:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG9Gowb012208 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG9FxlH046583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9Fr8K023863; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9FnO1023822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBG97MfN010526 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:07:22 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:07:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A285C3.2010703@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:47 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com otsisto wrote: > For some reason my system doesn't access the pictures as only three pictures > show up and the rest are frames with a little box and red X in the upper > left hand corner. Argh. It's not your system, it's my ($#@%!) editing program. Sorry. It will be fixed in a few hours. (For those who care, it often messes up the "image relative to page location" vs. "absolute" location pointer.) cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 04:36:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBG9aBOK013831 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:36:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBG9Zimr048441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9Zgn5032926; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG9ZTsJ032829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBG9R3fN010725 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:27:03 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:27:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A28A60.9040008@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:35:28 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com E House wrote: > No offense meant, but I just don't buy it. =} If the seam were far > enough up to be concealed by the oversleeve, the whole look/drape would > be changed. Even with really careful tailoring and stretching of the > bias, a circle-on-a-tube type of sleeve just doesn't give the same shape > as one that flares out right at the end. It just looks wrong. I'm sorry, I'm not sure which idea you're not buying? However, if it were flared on the whole length, it wouldn't be bunched up around her right hand like that -- it would trail back inside the red sleeve. Those folds are so even, I don't think a flare at the end would produce them, only a circle sewn on. What sort of flare are you thinking of? One which drops down from the arm, or one which also goes upward? Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg > It'll > take an extant garment or a clear image of the flared sleeve with a seam > to convince me. Sigh of general agreement! > (That black stuff on the gold lining of her left sleeve doesn't look > like stitching to me; it's repeated much lower down on the same lining > portion, near the edge. It looks more like some characteristic of the > fabric/fur; perhaps a variation on ermine patterning. Agreed. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 05:50:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGAoqTC001089 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGAnEbB054074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGAnBnh068948; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGAn7CF068922 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:49:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:49:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.195.81.105] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512160416.jBG4G1Sl073040@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:49:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 10:49:07.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[56A06060:01C6022E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: keyword spamming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com With regards to the conversation a couple of weeks ago on keyword spamming on eBay, I wonder how this monstrosity, which looks NOTHING like anything even vaguely Austen-related, slipped through the net: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362341194 Perhaps the solution is to spell Jane Austen wrong?! (By the way, hello, I've been lurking for ages but couldn't post because my e-mail turns everything into HTML - think I've finally worked it out though). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 06:11:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGBBaYu003193 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGBBIrt055440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBBG98079466; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBBBDO079402 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e9.492340a5 (16781) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.492340a5.30d3fac7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:11:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] For the costumers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/15/2005 10:35:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: griz wrote: > St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. > I know I do! All I can say is, "Ewwwwwwww." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 06:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGBFihS003888 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGBFDI5055604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBFDn7081412; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGBF7IK081320 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2bb.28321fe (16781) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:14:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2bb.28321fe.30d3fbac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:14:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: keyword spamming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:50:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrscakehole@hotmail.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362341194 Very, very vaguely late Victorian, maybe, but Jane Austen? Hey, maybe it was worn by somebody named Jane in Austin, Texas! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 08:06:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGD65cL019821 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGD3Ko9072585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGD3Eh9037785; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGD38Re037730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBGCsffN013979 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:54:41 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:54:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A2BB0A.8050604@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:06 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments (fixed) References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com It's fixed for the second, and hopefully final, time. Sorry about that, folks! > Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 09:05:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGE58Sf020998 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:05:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGE4Z6V085744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGE4URb072836; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGE4QBQ072778 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EnGC9-0001xB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20881752.1134741864949.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:04:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This is an Unemployed Philosophers Guild product. They have a Beanie-Baby-style van Gogh doll with a detachable ear, a Global Warming mug that shows the predicted new coastlines when you fill it with hot coffee, a Scream pillow that does scream (and a Mona Lisa pillow that giggles), and Freudian Slippers with a sock-toe tongue protruding from Freud's mouth. Among many other punny, arch products. Character cards with stick-on appropriate quotations--including Jane Austen, fyi! They also have two different sets of Axis of Evil finger-puppets--choose according to your political inclinations.... They're constantly adding to their line, and revising it too, at least if you consider that the Shakespeare "Brainy Baby" is now on his fourth costume design. I've given my artist friend Frieda Kahlo as well as van Gogh. I've got Shakespeare (2 different outfits); a friend gave me the Great Writers finger-puppet set. I've given my niece Jane Austen and my sister, a biologist, Charles Darwin. I'm hoping somebody will give me Eleanor Roosevelt and Che this Christmas! If you like their sense of humor (and I confess I LOVE it with all my overeducated heart!), you can spend a lot of money with them. I haven't tumbled for the St. Sebastian pincushion yet, but it does look JUST like the painting, and I've found the painting perversely charming, with his faint little grin (ecstasy, I presume) and all, for years. As a Protestant/agnostic and lit major I take great pleasure in the various saints and feel free to find them bizarre. A friend of mine suggested that we start a pub on the Canadian border and call it the "St. Lawrence Bar and Grill." Talk about Eeeeeeuuuuuw! Anyway, I assure all that I have no connection with the Unemployed Philosophers Guild except as a chronic customer. They have a website, in case you want to revel in their wierdness--or spend some money to make your overeducated friends laugh. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: otsisto >Sent: Dec 15, 2005 11:15 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers > >Oh how tacky. The things people create to sell. > >-----Original Message----- >page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195> > >St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. >I know I do! > >griz > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 10:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGFFLjf022454 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFE2Ow091821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFDrDw017700; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFDlwe017628 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:13:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.52.250 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:13:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.52.250] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A28A60.9040008@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:13:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:13:49 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 15:13:46.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FB9B6F0:01C60253] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBGFFLjf022454 Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg Great image - where and when is it from? Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 10:30:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGFU1wh022826 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:30:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFT99a094474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFT7eu029917; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBGFC6m9016323 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 88727 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 15:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.143.2.12 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 15:12:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051216150941.01d908f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:12:00 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] bells on garments (fixed) In-Reply-To: <43A2BB0A.8050604@thibault.org> References: <024901c601d9$36247dd0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A2124D.4050603@thibault.org> <43A2BB0A.8050604@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 13:03 16/12/2005, you wrote: >It's fixed for the second, and hopefully final, time. Sorry about >that, folks! > >>Its at http://www.virtue.to/articles/bells.html >_______________________________________________ I am sure I have seen bells on one of the "Tres Riches Heures" pages, but cannot access my pix right now. Also found beautiful bells on a gentleman in a painting in the Prado, Madrid in the summer. (This one is possibly later - I forget the date.) Will copy to you when I have a spare minute. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 10:34:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGFY359022891 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:34:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGFXch0095033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFXc1H033639; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGFXZT7033552 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.19]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051216153329.GTX12342.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:33:29 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051216085504.026b9df0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:29:26 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBGFXZT7033552 Subject: [h-cost] Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Has anyone seen this book or a review (preferably in English)? Le Vêtement: Histoire, archéologie et symbolique vestimentaires au Moyen Age (Cahiers du Léopard d'or) 332 pages Publisher: Léopard d'or (1989) Language: French ISBN: 2863770896 The title sounds interesting... Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 13:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGI7D6O027162 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:07:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGI6JEG014483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGI6Agw067215; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGI5xHn066999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBGHvUfN017526 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:57:31 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:57:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A30204.6020202@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:05:56 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings References: <023c01c601d8$46a72280$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A28A60.9040008@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: >> http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg Oh -- I forgot to say that iirc, "Hecyra" (in the URL) is the name of the main character for which this was an illustration in the story. That might help track it down. I tried looking further up Hope's website, but I didn't see it. Providing my memory is accurate! however, I think I found it via a discussion on this list some 6-7 years ago, so searching at the archives on the filename might find more info. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 14:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGJrg0d029921 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGJqUNa029633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGJqOKU078252; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGJqKtF078204 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.193]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 796B947FEE6 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:52:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c6027a$3d2701b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:52:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] email problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Robin i am very glad you sended the link with the new H-costume archive. It is very easy to use, and i discovered that i only gets a few of the posts sended to my own mailbox. I had the feeling something was wrong last week two. Mails just slit out of my mailbox, i can se they get in when i upload my outlook express, but only a few is to be seen there. ( a small arrow moves for each mail comming in) My computer works fine, so i think perhaps it is my webserver that have problems. Guess i have to call them for advise. But to all of you, if you have something important to tell me, please email me 2- 3 times, so that i am sure to catch one of the mails....... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:04:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGK4fp6030408 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:04:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGK4JDh031113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGK4H56088743; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGK4AC7088644 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.193]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 50706262860 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:03:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c6027b$e1e7b6d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:04:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarnes Sleaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's sleeves Audrey Bergeron-Morin Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:49:31 -0800 Bjarne, those flowers, how did you learn to make them? Do you have a book (in English, French or Spanish) to recommend? They're really amazing, sitting there just on the edge of the fabric... Hi Audrey. The small flowers are very simple made with loops of chenille threads, with french knots in the middle. Larger flowers are stumpwork made with chenille thread. I make foundation leaves edged with tiny wire, stabstitched and later buttonhole stitch all way round. (in a hoop) Then the chenille threads are couched onto the leaves with a thinner thread. I have some stumpwork embroidery books, try to rent one in your local library, it is very fun and very amazing how you can create your own 3-dimentional flowers. I got the idea to make these flowers, when i studyed a particular 18th century dress wich seemed to be sprayed all over with small, dimentional, chenille thread flowers. Next week il promise you pictures of the finished dress, at last. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:21:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGKL9m7030625 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGKFW2L032531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKFDak098338; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKF4MV098084 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A041030C; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:14:57 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Dec 2005 15:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c6027d$90cf2560$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20881752.1134741864949.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] For the costumers Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:16:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I am sooo jealous of your collection. I got Kahlo, the fridge magnet for Xmas last year and drool at all the other wonderful possibilities. Have not had such fun with this wearable/usable/own it yourself art since I discovered an artist's rendering of many famous paintings in which the human figure is replaced with Cats! A favorite on my wall is "OlymPUSS Apres Manet" Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers > This is an Unemployed Philosophers Guild product. They have a Beanie-Baby-style van Gogh doll with a detachable ear, a Global Warming mug that shows the predicted new coastlines when you fill it with hot coffee, a Scream pillow that does scream (and a Mona Lisa pillow that giggles), and Freudian Slippers with a sock-toe tongue protruding from Freud's mouth. Among many other punny, arch products. Character cards with stick-on appropriate quotations--including Jane Austen, fyi! They also have two different sets of Axis of Evil finger-puppets--choose according to your political inclinations.... > They're constantly adding to their line, and revising it too, at least if you consider that the Shakespeare "Brainy Baby" is now on his fourth costume design. I've given my artist friend Frieda Kahlo as well as van Gogh. I've got Shakespeare (2 different outfits); a friend gave me the Great Writers finger-puppet set. I've given my niece Jane Austen and my sister, a biologist, Charles Darwin. I'm hoping somebody will give me Eleanor Roosevelt and Che this Christmas! > If you like their sense of humor (and I confess I LOVE it with all my overeducated heart!), you can spend a lot of money with them. I haven't tumbled for the St. Sebastian pincushion yet, but it does look JUST like the painting, and I've found the painting perversely charming, with his faint little grin (ecstasy, I presume) and all, for years. As a Protestant/agnostic and lit major I take great pleasure in the various saints and feel free to find them bizarre. A friend of mine suggested that we start a pub on the Canadian border and call it the "St. Lawrence Bar and Grill." Talk about Eeeeeeuuuuuw! > Anyway, I assure all that I have no connection with the Unemployed Philosophers Guild except as a chronic customer. They have a website, in case you want to revel in their wierdness--or spend some money to make your overeducated friends laugh. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > >From: otsisto > >Sent: Dec 15, 2005 11:15 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: RE: [h-cost] For the costumers > > > >Oh how tacky. The things people create to sell. > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195> > > > >St. Sebastian pincushion... you know you want one. > >I know I do! > > > >griz > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:27:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGKR3iM030714 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:27:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGKQaag033785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKQTJW008567; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:26:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKQJHD008435 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.147] (pm5-147.eos.net [205.133.149.147]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBGKQD1E007212 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:26:14 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:14:48 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512151824.jBFIO0pG039160@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: unemployed philosopher's guild X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Our art museum sells quite a bit of their products. I bought my brother a Freudian Sips coffee mug and a Freud finger puppet -- he comes with a couch finger puppet, which has a pop-up lady's head (for the patient's mother, who of course is behind all mental problems). My brother and his wife are both psychologists -- I bet their dinner conversation is fun! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 15:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGKoCNG031414 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:50:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGKm880036417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKm3RQ028578; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGKlwLx028507 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA436361BD for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:47:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: keyword spamming Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:48:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2bb.28321fe.30d3fbac@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Nice try but it says pride and prejudice before the name. :) Its a 1980s wedding dress (think Dallas) hmmm maybe your right about the Austin TX. :) De -----Original Message----- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362341194 Very, very vaguely late Victorian, maybe, but Jane Austen? Hey, maybe it was worn by somebody named Jane in Austin, Texas! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 17:02:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGM2PJk000597 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGM1l3N046204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGM1gpD088645; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGM1cTL088501 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:01:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Colleen.McDonald@comcast.net) Received: from 67.168.178.66 ([67.168.178.66]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005121622013301300oqjbse>; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:01:33 +0000 Received: from 192.150.22.150 (SquirrelMail authenticated user colleen) by 67.168.178.66 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8391.192.150.22.150.1134770493.squirrel@67.168.178.66> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Colleen McDonald" To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Clothing in Stuart England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I thought folks here might be interested in this. Looks like it's due out in February. Colleen Title: Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England Author: RIBEIRO, AILEEN Price: $65.00 ISBN: 0300109997 Description: New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2006. 28cm., cloth, ca 352pp., 80 color, 100 b&w illus. (Focusing on the rich visual culture of the seventeenth century, including portraits, engravings, fashion plates, and sculpture, and on literary sources?poetry, drama, essays, sermons?the distinguished historian of dress Aileen Ribeiro creates a fascinating account of Stuart dress and how it both reflected and influenced society. Supported by a wealth of illustrative images, she explores such varied themes as court costumes, the masque, the ways in which political and religious ideologies could be expressed in dress, and the importance of London as a fashion center. This beautiful book is an indispensable and authoritative account of what people wore and how it related to Stuart England's cultural climate) ^Available February 2006^. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 17:21:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGMLPWQ001122 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:21:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBGMKkY5048848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGMKYEh003446; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBGMKVsp003336 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter91.comcast.net ([204.127.197.191]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051216222026014008hp8se>; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:26 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter91.comcast.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 Message-Id: <121620052220.18285.43A33DA8000F0FEC0000476D22070208539C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Beth, I know I have a French costuming book somewhere in my library, let me see if it is the same one or not. If it is, I like the book except for the fact it is in French - there was a chapter in it that I wanted translated, luckily I had an acquaintance who could translate the chapter for me. Must go and let arm and wrist rest, had a nasty fall last weekend. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Has anyone seen this book or a review (preferably in English)? > > Le Vêtement: Histoire, archéologie et symbolique vestimentaires au Moyen > Age (Cahiers du Léopard d'or) 332 pages Publisher: Léopard d'or (1989) > Language: French ISBN: 2863770896 > > The title sounds interesting... > > Beth Matney > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 19:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBH0Cvk3003442 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:12:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBH0CKxB063560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH0CG7l083736; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51315.mail.yahoo.com (web51315.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBH0CBaw083629 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26850 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2005 00:12:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OyDVRZblt21Yy1Cn3VU6fFU2mT/+eWbsryC+k6yTW/W7Qs9FL7Qp7pddTWT35e24oSVS57TIu5T+A151Hy61GwX2WwVBYHUfVVRj7aenUI9CY/qBr5PNYUDgkyZs0xfgHCs/FtTFlor59nwhVRLLQjFiefvLcyKzcxhHwFwoqWM= ; Message-ID: <20051217001206.26848.qmail@web51315.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51315.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:12:06 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg > > Great image - where and when is it from? > > Janet It is by the Orosius Master, ca. 1412: Laches accuses Sostrata. Paris, Bil. de L'Arsenal, ms. 664. fol. 213v. It was illustrating a Roman playwright's plays, but I can't find easily which playwright. The picture may be found in French Painting in the Time of Jean de Berry: The Limbourgs and Their Contemporaries (Plates volume), by Millard Meiss, George Braziller, NY. ISBN 0-8076-0734-7. The text volume does say which playwright, somewhere. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 16 19:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBH0KMEQ003556 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBH0K0eK064304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH0Jr5n088956; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51312.mail.yahoo.com (web51312.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBH0JpMJ088864 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46066 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2005 00:19:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kXmqM5TwCjXWJSfpY3sai1e6ZePXl2V9t83ms8k49nQbxhrp72geQaUtEWo5PLJCAXTF/vAmiQlWdrVtUvX91lsuaAquqq3/UgJZGNGeN/kvcL6ASSQZZTKOE78lTGqLd/kMVYy0H1A+KgryznOf1xACV3DFTwzLPiPQx3XJn+s= ; Message-ID: <20051217001947.46064.qmail@web51312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51312.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:19:47 PST Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:19:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Wrist flare Re: [h-cost] Houppelande with tie fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051217001206.26848.qmail@web51315.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sorry, should have re-titled the previous message. ACt > > Here's a far less lush flare at the wrist: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/images/hecyra1.jpg > > > > Great image - where and when is it from? > > > > Janet > > It is by the Orosius Master, ca. 1412: Laches > accuses > Sostrata. Paris, Bil. de L'Arsenal, ms. 664. fol. > 213v. > Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 01:06:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBH66NTR009684 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBH65ruZ096313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH65kaf073213; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBH65hk9073186 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09541 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:32:39 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:32:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update, my lectures in Portland, Oregon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I promised to post information on my upcoming lecture appearance in Portland, Oregon, when it became available. The registration information is now online here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classes&it=5433 or here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classes&it=5433 The date is March 25, 2006, and I'll be doing five lectures on women's dress of the 14th and 15th centuries. The event is part of an SCA university, but non-SCA members are welcome, and period dress is not required. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 06:58:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHBwQGu032099 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHBvuXk028434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHBvnZq036021; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHBvjsh035979 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c0.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.192]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BD41C47FEB3 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] light table X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I was thinking about wishing a light table for christmas and birthday. I have birthday in january and ususally wishes bigger things, and then combine the gifts this way. I was looking at a light table in a shop, and i wondered if any of you have any experiences with these. Could i use this to trace embroidery patterns on to fabrics? It could save me the work i have with transferring with graphite paper. Any thoaghts greatly apreciated. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 09:17:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHEHDAM015872 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHEGek8058062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEGVIv014080; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEGJwU013974 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:16:14 -0800 Message-ID: <43A41DB8.8020304@msn.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:16:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2005 14:16:14.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[70592F00:01C60314] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If you only work on small objects they are great. I just use my large windows! I have also used a glass table with a lamp underneath it. Sort of depends if you have the room to store another gadget and don't have anything else to wish for! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 09:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHEojA0016403 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHEmoEF061162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEmmw4031737; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHEmd3l031656 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.95.64.96]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20051217144838.NWIG8316.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20051217094108.00b9cb48@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:48:26 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] light table X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have a light table and I love it. I use it for all sorts of things, and yes, it would be wonderful for transferring your embroidery patterns. I also use it for tracing my flat patterns and checking that seams match and notches line up. It's also helpful when I have draped a pattern and want to transfer it to paper. I also use it for the obvious re-drawing croquis. My advice would be to purchase as large a light box as you can afford. Mine is the same as the type used to view hospital x-rays and is roughly the size of a legal size page. I always wish it was larger something about 40 cm x 50 cm or larger would be ideal. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 10:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHF5PnH016600 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHF5588062377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHF5208040267; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHF4xW6040174 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:04:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43A42917.4020209@msn.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:04:55 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2005 15:04:45.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[374273A0:01C6031B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Casanova movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com This looks like it will be fun at the very least. I don't know much about the period, but it certainly looks like it has potential as a costume movie. http://casanova.movies.go.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 10:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHFmOD2017216 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHFlsPg066334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHFlpeU064691; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHFlmHX064668 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=cY8GaE4HW+rTvbqtLldTBCI6d2mXYnwyDy9a/AS6hqN7LK/rrDgPHh/IHmiP2Mzu; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.227] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EneHi-0006LY-Mq for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c60321$39eec030$e3159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b6efc830175d1cb3566fe6c731bcef18d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.227 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne- While I use my light box primarily working on paper, I have also used it to transfer designs to cloth when making banners, small theatre drops, and wall hangings. The last time I used it on fabric, the 8W fluorescent lamp inside was able to make the design easily seen through heavy white cotton duck and colored felt. Mine is 24x30", and for larger projects, you just set up a grid and do it section by section. You may not need anything that large, and there are some small ones currently available in the craft departments that have the same wattage, and are available for less than $50US. Alternatively, you can use a sheet of glass or perspex propped up over a small under-the-counter kitchen kitchen fluorescent light, which costs about $13US. (Before I had a light box, I used to work on a glass-topped table with a desk lamp underneath it.) Used X-ray readers also work, and you might be able to find a used one cheaply. It's a wonderful thing to have, and makes a lot of work so much easier. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 11:33:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHGX0UU017864 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:33:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHGW6K3070643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGW2Nd089722; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGVxJn089643 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E21F211898 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02137-01-16 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 480E8211897 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013001c60327$5d9b6230$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22e.3201156.30c24d2f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] favourite fairy /christmass movi > Christmas - I'm a complete sucker for just about all of them, but White > Christmas, (I fell in love with the red 'santa' dresses that Rosemary > Clooney and > Vera Ellen wear at the end when I was about three), Wonderful Life, and > Miracle > on 34th Street. > > And films that aren't strictly Christmas films, but that I associate with > Christmas - Meet Me in St Louis, and The Shop Around the Corner. (Can you > tell I > do old Hollywood?) > > And my fave fairy film has to be the one with Paul McGann about the > Cottingley fairies, that I can't for the life of me remember the name of. > > Debs I'm coming in very late on this, due to the traumas of moving. We only moved two miles, but what a two weeks it's been! Sheesh!! My favorite Christmas movies are It's A Wonderful Life (I adore Jimmy Stewart) and Scrooge--a musical from about 1970=71, starring Albert Finney. After I watch it, I walk around for days humminh "I Like Life" and "Thank You Very Much"! Dianne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 11:36:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHGaxUd017944 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHGaS79070935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGaRLC092398; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHGaNiw092300 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066C521017F for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03815-01-33 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3418211218 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a501c60327$fd9228a0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <28a.157e60c.30c57f89@aol.com> <43951B4D.2050500@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:36:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric > Hi, All. I just saw a telly program on a fellow from Pennsylvania (US) > that is the guru for used fabrics. He started out by convincing the mill > that he worked at that they should give him the scraps they would throw > out. Now folks send him stuff and he sends it out to anyone who wants it. > Folks make quilts for charities with his "stashes". I don't remember his > name or what his website is called, but the show was on local public TV > (WHYY Philadelphia/Wilmington) Was it Magic Mike? If so, I know he was very ill for a while. Good to know he's better. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 16:50:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBHLo2O0022852 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBHLiKPx002454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHLiGB4068126; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHLiCgp068013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EnjqB-0000Im-BH; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:43:43 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:43:43 -0600 Message-ID: <20051217154343.daepf0375lis8wk8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:43:43 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi, > I was thinking about wishing a light table for christmas and > birthday. I have birthday in january and ususally wishes bigger > things, and then combine the gifts this way. > I was looking at a light table in a shop, and i wondered if any of > you have any experiences with these. > Could i use this to trace embroidery patterns on to fabrics? > It could save me the work i have with transferring with graphite paper. > Any thoaghts greatly apreciated. > Oh, yes. I *love* my light table. I use it for all kinds of things -- not just needlework. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 17 20:49:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBI1nMp6027088 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:49:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBI1mudg026236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBI1mpSB080770; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBI1mmrr080731 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.124]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051218014842.CUUF12342.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:48:42 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051217194355.0281f890@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:48:35 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-Reply-To: <200512171632.jBHGW4iZ089745@net.indra.com> References: <200512171632.jBHGW4iZ089745@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Oh that hurts. I had a bad one on concrete about a month ago. Please let me know which one you have. I've been collecting quite a bit on archaeological textiles and costumes (SCA period), but need more on France. Take care. Beth At 10:32 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > >Beth, > > I know I have a French costuming book somewhere in my library, let me > see if it is the same one or not. If it is, I like the book except for > the fact it is in French - there was a chapter in it that I wanted > translated, luckily I had an acquaintance who could translate the chapter > for me. Must go and let arm and wrist rest, had a nasty fall last weekend. > >Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 10:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIFkIfj018878 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIFig7W018442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIFiaLx078661; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBHLAp2Y048824 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20051217211046014008luqee>; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:10:46 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:10:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: aquaterratextiles@yahoogroups.com (Aquaterra Textiles), h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List), murmurs@baronyofaquaterra.org (Murmurs Aquaterra), AnTirMerchants@yahoogroups.com (Merchants An Tir) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:10:45 +0000 Message-Id: <121720052110.864.43A47ED4000F2AF60000036022007601800809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:44:35 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Sandra Davis Subject: [h-cost] OT: books for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forgive the use of bandwidth..but I'm beginning to sell my books. If I can remember where to post to the Historical Costume sell lists, I'll also post there as well. Below, please find the list and for those lists that don't block attachments, I'm attaching an excell spread sheet. Please email me privately at elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net or call me at 425-357-1779 (located in Everett, WA). For those books that have multiple interested parties, bidding off list could be arranged. TitleAuthorDate Published / CopyrightedISBN or LLCPrice:Note on Contents The World of Walls, the middle ages in Western EuropePolly Schoyer Brooks, Nancy Zinsser Walworth1966LCC 66-10039$20.00Gregory the Great, Rise of the Franks, Charlemange, William the Conqueror, Eleanor of Aquitane, Francis of Assis, Simon do Montfort, Chaucer, biblio, index History of Western Music Rev. Ed. Donald Jay Grout, Cornell Univ1973, 1960ISBN 0-393-09416-2$25.00Gregorian chant, polypony, frend italian music biblio, index The Scottish Country Dance Book # 25Music arranged by Margaret T W Rae1970none$35.00Published by the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society, includes dance figures and steps 2 COPIES The A cappella singer, # 1682, mixed voicesedited by H. Clough-Leighter1936, 1964none$25.00 EACHA collection of Motets, madrigals, chafons, carols, ayres, ballets, etc Fifth Book of SongsRobert Foresman1926none$35.00Includes folks songs Hungarian, Morvarian, German The Timetables of Women's History, a chronologyKaren Greenspan1966ISBN 0-684-81579-6$15.00paperback Medieval ReaderNorman F. Cantor1994ISBN 0-06-270102-9$15.00first hand accounts of the middle ages including letters essays, state and charch documents, poetry and ballads. Aauthros index. A Ceremony of CarolsBenjamin Britten1943none$10.00For treble voices and harp or piano Anglo saxon verseRichard Hamer1970ISBN 571 08765 5$10.00a selection and parallel verse translations Everyday life in Ottoman TurkeyRaphaela Lewis1971ISBN 7134 1687 4$10.00from the 5th cent, Glossary of turkish terms, index Chief Pre-Shekespearean DramasJoseph Quncy Adams. Cornell Univ.1924 (1st ed)none$35.00a selection of plays illustrating the history of the english drama from it’s origin down to shakespeare Medieval LondonGordon Home1994ISBN 1 85891 131 1$45.00history of london from 457 to date (1927) Costuming the Amateur ShowDorothy Lynne Saunders1938none$25.00info on the stage costume. Folk Ballads of the english-speaking worldedited by Albert B. Friedman, Harvard Univ.1968LCC 56-7084$25.00Ballads of England, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, US, West Indies, Australia The Notebooks of Leomardo da VinciEdward MacCurdy1954none$45.00excellent information History of CostumeBlanche Payne, University of Washington, Seattle WA1965LCC 65-10419$75.00From the Ancient Egyptians to the 20th Cent. Fashion Mila Conti1965LCC 65-20567$75.00From the Ancient Egyptians to the present (1965) Thank you for your patience and understanding... Gia --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_864_1134853845_0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 13:08:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBII8IL0022082 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBII7mcM034290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBII7hDe063224; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBII7eJ4063164 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eo2wd-000Map-7M for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:07:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:06:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com E House wrote >I thought the witch's dresses towards the beginning looked very odd >(especially the weird sticking-out-six-inches-at-the-back thing) but I >think the material it was made of was pretty well chosen; it looked >more like it was sort of magically grown than made, which strikes me as >right. > >I did like her last two dresses, though--the strapless dark brown one, >and the maned chain mail battle outfit. Wonder how much that one >weighed; to me it actually looked like chain mail rather than that fake >metallic knit stuff that some movies use to impersonate chain mail. >The mane was a nice touch. It seemed like something Jadis would do. > >-E House > I haven't seen it yet, but I just noticed the chain mail dress on the poster at the bus stop I stand at every day (took me a week to notice it was mail!) I believe all the armour and weaponry was done by Weta Workshops, who invented plastic chainmail for the Lord of the Rings films. It's made from individual links, so it looks and moves like real mail, but the links are plastic, so it's really light. The main reason for using it was the logistics of trying to shift armour for hordes of extras all round New Zealand, but I guess it also allows you to do these kind of totally fantasy costumes. IIRC it even pools round her feet - do that with metal mail and you'd be completely immobilised! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 14:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIJqHcm024329 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIJpJa5043417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJpF5Y021283; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJpBnI021156 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20a.f6014b1 (15703) for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d5743a5bd962b5; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7D2237916954A-1ACC-3187@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Received: from 24.136.228.26 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <000401c60301$1db1ccc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.213 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I used to use a light table all the time when I did commercial art way back before computers took over. It was very helpful for a number of other things as well. But when I stopped working for the ad company and didn't have access to their light table, I rigged one at home. I just took a pane of glass I had, taped some wax paper to the under side of it[to 'frost" the glass], straddled it between two end tables and put a directional desk lamp under it pointing up. Worked fine. I didn't need it often so I would just set it up when I needed it....and if it was daytime, I'd just use a window! My friend and colleague Lisa, who used to free lance with me, would just put a light under her glass coffee table. I suppose we should have invested in a real light table, but the technology was changing fast and we just didn't need to use it as much. -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:57:55 +0100 Subject: [h-cost] light table Hi, I was thinking about wishing a light table for christmas and birthday. I have birthday in january and ususally wishes bigger things, and then combine the gifts this way. I was looking at a light table in a shop, and i wondered if any of you have any experiences with these. Could i use this to trace embroidery patterns on to fabrics? It could save me the work i have with transferring with graphite paper. Any thoaghts greatly apreciated. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 15:00:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIJxxoQ024470 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:59:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIJxKnj043939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJxJ9R024901; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIJxG8u024864 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24810 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:26:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:26:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table In-Reply-To: <8C7D2237916954A-1ACC-3187@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 albertcat@aol.com wrote: > I just took a pane of glass I had, taped some wax paper to the under > side of it[to 'frost" the glass], straddled it between two end tables > and put a directional desk lamp under it pointing up. My usual workaround is to take the leaf out of my dining room table and lay a sheet of glass (leftover from a picture frame) over the gap. I've learned to put masking tape around the edges of the glass so I don't cut myself. Then a table lamp under the table. I like being able to spread out all my drawing equipment on the rest of the table! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 15:04:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBIK4nqP024553 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:04:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBIK4AJ5044232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIK4ANn027149; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBIK46N7027120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBIJtYfN027825 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:55:34 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A5C0B4.7060700@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:04:04 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] light table References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Robin Netherton wrote: > My usual workaround is to take the leaf out of my dining room table and > lay a sheet of glass (leftover from a picture frame) over the gap. I've > learned to put masking tape around the edges of the glass so I don't cut > myself. Then a table lamp under the table. Likewise, but with plexiglas. (Two 4-yr-olds increases the chaos factor enough that it's worth a few bucks for the plastic!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Mindless entertainment is the handmaiden of fascism. -- Mo/Alison Bechdel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 19:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJ05wJ0032536 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ05Trs065177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ05OVL037477; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ05LeE037436 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.93.44] (dialup-4.249.93.44.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.93.44]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ05Eqg004120 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:05:15 -0800 Message-ID: <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:05:32 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Jean Waddie wrote: > I haven't seen it yet, but I just noticed the chain mail dress on the > poster at the bus stop I stand at every day (took me a week to notice it > was mail!) I believe all the armour and weaponry was done by Weta > Workshops, who invented plastic chainmail for the Lord of the Rings > films. yes. they slice up pvc pipe and use it for the rings in the maille. It is very light and looks amazingly good. so much better than 'string maille'. It was striking in the way it draped, wasn't it! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 19:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJ0srJw001847 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ0nXKw069414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ0nSbW057640; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ0nOHi057612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBJ0eqfN030057 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:40:52 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:40:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A60392.2060400@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:49:22 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> In-Reply-To: <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Judy Mitchell wrote: > Jean Waddie wrote: I believe all the armour and weaponry was done by Weta >> Workshops, who invented plastic chainmail for the Lord of the Rings >> films. > yes. they slice up pvc pipe and use it for the rings in the maille. > It is very light and looks amazingly good. so much better than 'string > maille'. It was striking in the way it draped, wasn't it! I saw the LoTR stuff when the show came through the Museum of Science in Boston. It was quite believable (I've seen a lot of metal mail of varying quality, some quite very good) aside from it having a square cross-section. Which mostly gave it a slightly weird air, not unreasonable in a Fantasy movie. And I had a giggle at the elastic loop yardage glued on the inside of Elrond's coronet, clearly for bobby pins or similar to anchor it on. Inventive, if a little mystique-bursting! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Mindless entertainment is the handmaiden of fascism. -- Mo/Alison Bechdel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 18 22:40:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJ3eQhG007204 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJ3deD9085230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ3daQC044447; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ3dWVe044296 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051219033926.TIHL4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:26 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051219033925.EPTG1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:25 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.1/206]); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:34 +1300 Message-ID: <007e01c6044d$d435db10$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <439D948E.2090900@optonline.net> <006401c5ff3b$e17769e0$9b00a8c0@compaqub> <43A5F94C.9020702@theoldforest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] narnia movie Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:32 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > yes. they slice up pvc pipe and use it for the rings in the maille. It > is very light and looks amazingly good. so much better than 'string > maille'. It was striking in the way it draped, wasn't it! Though there was string maille in the very background shots of LotR;) I know some people who wore it... Thus they never knew of the electroplated stuff. Someone pointed out to me that WETA now have a different process, which makes for smoother rings: http://www.wetanz.com/chainmaille/index.html michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 09:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJE3kMn018463 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJE3EWk035835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJE3Ate042902; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJE32oA042775 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F20DBE650 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:02:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:03:02 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051219140255.4F20DBE650@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Happy Holidays! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi, I wish you all Happy Holiday's! http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/X/XB2.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 14:05:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJJ5iHU023788 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJJ56nJ090457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJ4b9K001426; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJ4VSC001364 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.50]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EoQJC-0006ca-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <25136007.1135019070467.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:04:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT:wonderful weird headline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello the list. My attention was first drawn to this headline in a local (Stratford, CT) paper because of the faulty possessive noun and the interesting choice of singular verb. BUT my attention was then rewarded by realizing that this sports headline manages to use two words (out of a total of five) that also are items of women's historical costume. So I thought you would all enjoy pondering this: "STRATFORD GIRLS HOOPS STAYS UNBEATEN" For those of you unfamiliar with American sports lingo, the Girls' Basketball Team of Stratford High School continues its winning streak. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 14:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJJVmtu024142 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJJVJoY094095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJVDtq026602; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJJV6Xn026480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.5]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EoQiv-00075k-77 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200512191900.jBJJ0CQO096834@net.indra.com> References: <200512191900.jBJJ0CQO096834@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61DC46F1-7496-4BC0-8989-C1A811A5BF6C@verybigdesign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jen funk segrest Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: light tables X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com A fast cheap way is to get one thats pretty good... (thats more than a piece of glass across an end table over a light) of these display box frames. Target has them from 9x11 and larger... They have a glass wood framed hinged lid and can be hung up on the wall for displaying large items or a series of little 3-d things... I got mine for $9 or so. You can get (a cheap couple of tap lights for next to nothing or) a small plug in florescent for about $10. Cut a hole in the particle board back to pass out any cords, put on some rubber silicone feet. Velcro or screw in the lights inside the case. TAH DAH! You can tape some freezer paper, parchment tracing paper, or white wrapping tissue paper to back side of the glass... you really want some diffuser, even it's it's frosted contact paper for windows... there are also sheets of ghosted plastic at the fabric stores for quilting and stenciling... as well as art stores (sca people never seem to go to REAL olde tyme art stores, just craft stores) The whole thing can come in under $20 if you have a little time and don't need a HUGE one. And most times you don't. Other good ideas are finding a large frame and put two pieces of glass with sheet of your diffuser of choice in between, and keep it all in with the push down finegrs on the frame. Then go to the hardware store and get some 3 or 4" screw on feet... just enough to slip a trim small florescent under... this works nice as it can be all slipped under a couch. griz, designer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 19 17:46:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBJMkc4Q027560 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:46:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJMjkar021815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJMONsd077744; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJMOA61077473 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e8.489739fa (57317) for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.489739fa.30d88cfe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:23:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT:wonderful weird headline To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/19/2005 2:06:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: "STRATFORD GIRLS HOOPS STAYS UNBEATEN" ************************ Well, both her stays and her hoops are FILTHY....and need to be taken down to the river and BEATEN on a rock! Talk about airy dirty laundry in public! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 12:19:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKHJnQW011715 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKHJKph047310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKHJA1Y043236; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKHJ6lG043069 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6B13D06C for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43A83D4C.4060701@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:20:12 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric shopping bargains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I know most folks are probably shopped out by now, but I thought I would pass this along for the die-hards. :) My two local Joann's have placed a lot of those fancy Europa brand metallic woven trims on deep clearance. I just bought a bunch at .75 per yard. (Down from $4-6) They had some really nice wedding laces marked down to ridiculous prices too. It won't last. If you're a trim junkie, it's worth looking into. Also, mid/late-January is when Joann's typically puts the remaining spring and summer fashion fabrics on the dollar tables. This means there's a chance at cheap linen and silk. So if you need to start saving, now would be the time to set some money aside in anticipation. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 13:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKIxLL1014194 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKIwZM7060720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKIwWCt033105; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKIuggH031582 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:56:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 562E533893 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:56:41 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric shopping bargains Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:56:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A83D4C.4060701@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My Jo Ann's, after their 50% off clearance sale of Europa trim shipped it off to a sister store for their grand opening. Then at the beginning of Dec. shipped all of their spring and summer clearance to that store. So I will not be looking at any linen bargains this January. :( De -----Original Message----- I know most folks are probably shopped out by now, but I thought I would pass this along for the die-hards. :) My two local Joann's have placed a lot of those fancy Europa brand metallic woven trims on deep clearance. I just bought a bunch at .75 per yard. (Down from $4-6) They had some really nice wedding laces marked down to ridiculous prices too. It won't last. If you're a trim junkie, it's worth looking into. Also, mid/late-January is when Joann's typically puts the remaining spring and summer fashion fabrics on the dollar tables. This means there's a chance at cheap linen and silk. So if you need to start saving, now would be the time to set some money aside in anticipation. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 14:28:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKJSV9H014874 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKJS9AJ064608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKJS1IW059202; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKJRv5K059068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id jBKJRqL54146 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:27:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 20 Dec 2005 13:27:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:27:22 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:27:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fabric shopping bargains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I know most folks are probably shopped out by now, but I thought I would pass this along for the die-hards. :) My two local Joann's have placed a lot of those fancy Europa brand metallic woven trims on deep clearance. I just bought a bunch at .75 per yard. (Down from $4-6) They had some really nice wedding laces marked down to ridiculous prices too. It won't last. If you're a trim junkie, it's worth looking into. Also, mid/late-January is when Joann's typically puts the remaining spring and summer fashion fabrics on the dollar tables. This means there's a chance at cheap linen and silk. So if you need to start saving, now would be the time to set some money aside in anticipation. :) Dawn ============================== I just have to try and get to them before Dawn does, since we share locale :). Cy's BIG sale is next Monday! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 17:42:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKMgSDW019256 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKMewBl088006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKMesm5017925; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKMenJP017793 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2005 06:40:40 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:47:43 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my poor tired brain with options? Mnay thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:03:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKN3o1c019874 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:03:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKN3F9q090671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKN3Ato036978; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKN2ubj036720 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE0AB353A0 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Frogs? -----Original Message----- I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my poor tired brain with options? Mnay thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:06:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKN6mY9019936 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKN66iH091163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKN653m039584; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBKN61Kk039539 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 9429 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9419, pid: 9424, t: 0.4451s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051220145018.02376758@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:59:16 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question In-Reply-To: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 02:47 PM 12/20/2005, you wrote: >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking >for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two >sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can >anyone help my poor tired brain with options? >Mnay thanks, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ Hooks and eyes are period. Just be certain to put them no more than 1" apart. Any farther apart and you will have gaps. And do sew down the hook side at the little loops at one end and at the hook end. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKNBYEX020060 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKNBFDY092295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNBC8i043825; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBKMwOlM032927 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB4TDD2AD4HQAS for (sender ); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LCPVB5PQ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:57:38 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:23:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Message-ID: <20051220.162348.-460187.3.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-17 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3565507695 X-MAIL-INFO: 0d13be5ebef7ab97f7abdadfabda0a4b2f43fb3aa78343371f8aa7ef375b33e337bb7e9b1317139f1ada2aab13df X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78l4OgDIQcztEixsrfJSek77u2K+K5Jp5A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hooks and eyes? On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:47:43 +1100 A & J Garden writes: > I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking > for > a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides > > just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone > help > my poor tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKNMWIx020380 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKNMEe6093674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNMBwM052707; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNM6DJ052615 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=JyKhnSyqdd1l67q1eO2podyfTudqSpZd2XV8q/309j0W4e3FPn2Z9Gc0G943VfsW; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.122.184.104] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eoqo1-0005oN-25 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:22:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c408f1330a58456bb85c6a951acea7667350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.122.184.104 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 9:47 AM +1100 12/21/05, A & J Garden wrote: >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking >for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two >sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can >anyone help my poor tired brain with options? Hooks and eyes? They're documentably period for front closures of men's doublets, as evidenced by the well-known portrait of (IIRC) Henry VIII's fool. They do have to be carefully placed in order to make the edges butt up against each other exactly, and don't hesitate to space them at 1 inch apart or even closer. Commercial hook and eye tape usually has its hooks spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately. Also, you need to bone, or at least reinforce, the edges they will be sewed to, in order to prevent buckling and gapping. If the tightness is due to the wearer's having gained a few pounds, it might be worthwhile to put a hidden lacing underneath, to pull the wearer's girth in just a bit (if he'll put up with that, or feels the weight gain is temporary). Then cover it with a plain cloth placket and add the hooks and eyes to the outer edges. I've sometimes heard it recommended that you alternate which side the hooks go on (i.e. the first pair would be hook on the left, eye on the right, and the next pair eye on the left, hook on the right). But I don't know whether that actually makes a smoother closure or not. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 18:31:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBKNVH2a020685 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:31:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKNUsA0094661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNUnOu059103; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKNUfSY058997 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i8YfxrU6Q+tVHo4csOf2maUn2CB3mUUL3Z7/8S8brSc9UfN08hzA0qmPhOTLMVLf; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.124.13] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoqwK-00010B-K7 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c605bd$67d380f0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:12:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4856cfbcd4ca91f14ab53503755d416368666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.124.13 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a >period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just >meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my >poor tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen I've got several pictures of doublets that lace or hook up the front. Most of them off the top of my head are leather, but I think there's a few that aren't. If you send me your e-mail I'll see about sending you a few of the pictures. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:02:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL02NEm021411 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL01XcD097978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL01OCl082295; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBL01J62082192 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 91744 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.117.59 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 00:01:13 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051220235505.01d91eb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:01:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question In-Reply-To: References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 23:22 20/12/2005, you wrote: >At 9:47 AM +1100 12/21/05, A & J Garden wrote: >>I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking >>for a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two >>sides just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can >>anyone help my poor tired brain with options? > >Hooks and eyes? They're documentably period for front closures of >men's doublets, as evidenced by the well-known portrait of (IIRC) >Henry VIII's fool. > >They do have to be carefully placed in order to make the edges butt >up against each other exactly, and don't hesitate to space them at 1 >inch apart or even closer. Commercial hook and eye tape usually has >its hooks spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately. Also, >you need to bone, or at least reinforce, the edges they will be >sewed to, in order to prevent buckling and gapping. > >If the tightness is due to the wearer's having gained a few pounds, >it might be worthwhile to put a hidden lacing underneath, to pull >the wearer's girth in just a bit (if he'll put up with that, or >feels the weight gain is temporary). Then cover it with a plain >cloth placket and add the hooks and eyes to the outer edges. > >I've sometimes heard it recommended that you alternate which side >the hooks go on (i.e. the first pair would be hook on the left, eye >on the right, and the next pair eye on the left, hook on the right). >But I don't know whether that actually makes a smoother closure or not. When I worked in the theatre, alternate hooks and eyes, or rather loops, were important as they do not "spring" open as sometimes same side hooks and eyes/loops can. I know some people like and use hook and loop tape, and I understand it has improved since I was using it, but in the days when God was a lass the old fashioned hook and loop tape would come apart with monotonous regularity. What helps a tight join is to set the "nose" part of the hook back from the edge, and only have a small part of the loop showing over the edge. Also buttonhole stitching round the loop in a thread to match the doublet helps it to grip, and to blend into the fabric. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:02:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL02cf7021414 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:02:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL01kdI097999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL01iPe082597; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL01dLx082489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBKNr3fN032037 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:53:03 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:53:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A89B61.90304@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:01:37 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Chris Laning wrote: > Commercial hook and eye tape usually has its hooks > spaced a bit too far apart for this, unfortunately. I suppose you could run two layers of it, if the thickness weren't a problem. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, travel in huge packs, and are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL05m5S021457 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:05:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL048ja098384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL048I7084530; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL044B7084353 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.285.29fc165 (4468) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <285.29fc165.30d9f5e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:03:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: light tables X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com If anybody's got a theatrical lighting supplier near them, a frost gel (looks like frosted glass, but is plastic). Comes in white in different weights for different levels of light diffusion. Not sure what the US term is, but it's the stuff used in spotlights for 'soft focus'. Best of all, it's quite cheap, and you can cut it with scissors. Debs. (did stage lighting at college before costume!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 19:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL0ptig022952 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL0pWR8003333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL0pSsA015866; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:51:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL0pMTM015734 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2005 08:51:16 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43A8A8AD.2050405@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:58:21 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question - frogs? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I've seen frogs at http://fingerloop.org/aglet.html - how far apart would these have been placed? Thanks, Aylwen otsisto wrote: >Frogs? > >-----Original Message----- >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for >a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides >just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help >my poor tired brain with options? >Mnay thanks, Aylwen > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 21:00:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL20mJu024271 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:00:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL20Ig4009150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL20Dbk056327; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL20BQ9056318 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so33423wra for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=X33j3Mk3ACTNM39Sn1eL33XosO91ktq2euZOH33Ou2SAc1E1iOJ6VfRsqkGtCDJORzSOk/3syKE3O8SVxtmMUt4YBdO5JR4HLG202YWQS9UG3WxQUysAFM+UsyTmna7BSaK+oHcYX6w6l3MHtHWV7CxiPPbJdcJt8GwRMAH7ODc= Received: by 10.65.181.18 with SMTP id i18mr139123qbp; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e17sm96721qbe.2005.12.20.18.00.09; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:00:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004b01c605d2$46d4a590$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:00:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com You can make button with loops instead of buttonholes, or simple hook and eyes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question >I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for a >period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides just >meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help my poor >tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 21:19:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL2JpVQ024581 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:19:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL2JOcW012335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL2JNQN068037; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL2JELw067941 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBL2BNe15148 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:11:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002601c605d5$e266d200$81bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43A88A0F.6050005@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:25:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hooks and eyes. They're quite appropriate as closures on doublets, at least in the 16th century. --Sue in cold Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question > I have a man's doublet that is too tight for buttons and am looking for > a period correct way of fastening down the front where the two sides > just meet. I have not seen any lace up in any paintings. Can anyone help > my poor tired brain with options? > Mnay thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 22:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL3Inuc025658 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:18:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL3HwMB020390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL3HtNj000126; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL3Hkjf099895 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f1.498402c2 (62976) for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.498402c2.30da234c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:17:32 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] men's elizabethan doublet question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com In a message dated 12/20/2005 9:01:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, audreybmorin@gmail.com writes: You can make button with loops instead of buttonholes, or simple hook and eyes. This is what I was going to suggest. In "Fashion in Detail" there is a doublet with lozenge shaped buttons and loops....the cord also being used for decoration in a frog-like manner. And I seem to remember something about two rows of buttons [one on each side] that are used to lace a doublet closes....looping the cord around the buttons. But that may be just for women's doublet bodices....though I don't know why. And of course hooks and eyes are period as has been pointed out. You can sew a button right on the edge of the opening over each hook and eye. I would recommend a placket underneath.....and underlap of the fashion fabric to make any small gaps not noticeable. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 20 23:30:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBL4Uwsp027063 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:30:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBL4UT8t027867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL4UR26038226; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBL4UNjn038195 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 933E81C906 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:30:22 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] men's Elizabethan doublet question - frogs? Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:30:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A8A8AD.2050405@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com I can't seem to find the pictures (one was definitely "Italian"). I have seen the second "frog" drawing on the site you provided. They were spaced approx. 1" apart (or a wee bit less). Would recommend that you go the hook & eye route if a picture can't be produce, especially if the doublet needs to be authentic in style. The "frog" length of each piece side looked to be 1 1/2" including the loop and button/ball. De -----Original Message----- I've seen frogs at http://fingerloop.org/aglet.html - how far apart would these have been placed? Thanks, Aylwen otsisto wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 05:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLA5LXZ000399 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLA4pxW075270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLA4jaW002819; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLA4f9Z002752 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2a1.28bcf3b (48552) for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2a1.28bcf3b.30da82b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:04:33 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] men's Elizabethan doublet question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Either hooks and eyes - alternately placed (hook then eye, then hook, then eye etc), in brass, bronze or iron (recommend Annie the Pedlar). Or buttons and loops - hand made loops in the old fashioned buttonhole stitch method better than cord, being stronger. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 06:21:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLBLSFN018912 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:21:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLBL0vt080774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLBKv55035975; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLBKrB0035920 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.245]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E4A347FE94 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:20:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:21:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greetings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hello. First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, and i need to make everything ready for christmas. You can se it on my webpage here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Many greetings Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 09:00:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLE06oF005344 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:00:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLDxIiW091237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLDxF2I011781; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLDxCx4011739 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:59:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C3D72E2F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] greetings Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:59:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYGILo+ghCqxmk1QeqpKQdlQUnORwAFcH3A Message-Id: <20051221135912.45C3D72E2F@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Bjarne, I am in awe! That embroidery looks absolutely fantastic!!!!!!! Makes me wish I had a reason to commission a dress from you someday, the work is exquisite! I'm sorry we will have to wait for more updates, but I hope you have a very merry Christmas and enjoy your holidays. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:21 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] greetings Hello. First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, and i need to make everything ready for christmas. You can se it on my webpage here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Many greetings Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 10:12:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLFC9b7007170 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:12:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLFBDuK099738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLFB9hT057208; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLFB6Rg057126 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051221151101014008foohe>; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:11:01 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:10:59 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:10:59 +0000 Message-Id: <122120051510.22635.43A970830006513B0000586B22092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Awesome!!! Absolutely gorgeous! Now I want one! Thank you for sharing your gorgeous work. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Wonderful New Year to you! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hello. > First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the > best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, > and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. > I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille > embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the > finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, > and i need to make everything ready for christmas. > You can se it on my webpage here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 11:01:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLG1Vf0008232 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:01:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLG1EPG005496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLG1Btj094287; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLG0fxr093850 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA53D082 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:00:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43A97C25.8090601@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:00:37 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyes in History and Archaeology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com My husband forwarded this to me ... "This is the name of the journal which contains papers presented at the annual meetings of Dyes in History and Archaeology, formerly known as the Association of Researchers into Dyes in History and Archaeology For availability of the journal, contact Archetype Publications " http://www.chriscooksey.demon.co.uk/dha/index.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 11:37:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLGbZmE009112 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:37:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLGaZUk009045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLGaUBE022365; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLGaLVN022136 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051221163613015004rr11e>; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:13 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:13 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:13 +0000 Message-Id: <122120051636.19538.43A9847D00059A9D00004C5222058891169C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Holiday greetings to you, Bjarne! 18th century costumes are on my list of one day creating. I just noticed that the pattern company Butterick is putting out patterns of this period now. Since, one day I also want to do some stumpwork and have several very good books on the subject, I was curious about some pieces you showed on your website. I noticed that you did several leaves of the same kind on one piece of fabric. Do you cut each of these leaves with the fabric still on the back of each one, then stitch them to the dress? Best regards, Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hello. > First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the > best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, > and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. > I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille > embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the > finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, > and i need to make everything ready for christmas. > You can se it on my webpage here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 13:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLICi5N011104 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLIC8S5021235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLIC4FC004456; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLHNXQB062408 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:23:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ep7gb-0005CN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <4931865.1135185813039.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:23:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Dear Bjarne, I have the strongest possible faith in the ability of humans to do wonderful things, but it's still hard to believe that that gorgeous gown is the work of human hands in the year 2005! If I hadn't been fortunate enough to watch it being built patiently, piece by lovely piece, I'd be even more amazed than I am. It embodies not only your knowledge and your skill but also, quite obviously, your heart. Thank you for sharing this complex and wonderful project with all of us. May 2006 be as great for you as the work you do. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Dec 21, 2005 6:21 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] greetings > >Hello. >First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all the >best of a happy new year. May the new year be prosperous and lucky for all, >and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. >I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille >embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the >finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, >and i need to make everything ready for christmas. >You can se it on my webpage here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > >Many greetings > >Bjarne > > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 14:41:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLJfSQV012581 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:41:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLJdsmG031339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJdjX9013653; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJdfTw013559 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.203]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C7CD5EE0E5 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:39:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000301c60666$4f14ec80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:39:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stumpwork X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Re: [h-cost] greetings roscelinlimoges Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:44:08 -0800 Holiday greetings to you, Bjarne! 18th century costumes are on my list of one day creating. I just noticed that the pattern company Butterick is putting out patterns of this period now. Since, one day I also want to do some stumpwork and have several very good books on the subject, I was curious about some pieces you showed on your website. I noticed that you did several leaves of the same kind on one piece of fabric. Do you cut each of these leaves with the fabric still on the back of each one, then stitch them to the dress? Best regards, RoscelinDear Roscelin.Yes i have made all the stumpwork leaves, both green leaves and flower leaves on a silk dupioni.When i have made the foundation with stabstitching a small wire to the edge, and then buttonhole stitched the whole shape, i finally couch on the chenille thread to the foundation.Then each leave is cut out, and assembled to the embroidery.Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 21 14:48:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLJmqsi012695 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBLJmRDb033140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJmP7K020693; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBLJmMnj020616 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.203]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9861A2628D6 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c60667$87c85890$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greetings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Hi all. I want to thank you all for all the beautifull words you give me for the dress i made. I must admit that i some times have ben desperate because i have ben strugling with the dress. It has ben hard times, when the tedious work had to be made. Also my despare because i was so long time to make it. Luckily the lady i make it for, has ben very patiente with me, and have had understandings when i had to make some breaks in the work. This is the last robe a la francaise you will se from my hand. This is a desition i have made for the last year, i wish in the future to only make 18th century accessories, aprons, mittens, stomachers, and the like. Embroidery gives me so much more joy than sewing dresses............... Only costumes i shal make is for myself. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 00:40:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM5eU15022061 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM5dnft005593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM5dhrR091095; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBM5dfIg091009 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 22317 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2005 05:39:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=axvGO7jWs9bX0buNStPFoolXQ9g9kfPjw6kQKYzDjnzmW9uJg97YMr7tlNUZGxvRCvzxSjeR6UCDUPYTC5jZB2KcjWGkieBi6Oyzt0p+wymbju4Zi5nT7XAiPkEp8kbIGl/IaDNYfNrDnj3XZX+5EpRI4kHlLNKez20efHBFUAg= ; Message-ID: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:39:35 EST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:39:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] V&A Periodical X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Happy holidays to everyone on the list! I was wondering if anyone out there happens to collect the "The Journal of the Costume Society" published for the [Costume] Society, Victoria and Albert Museum. I am looking for a specific article in one of the volumes. If so, could I get a photocopy or a scan, and perhaps a review to see if having such a journal in my possession would be worth it, if that's at all possible? Thanks, Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 00:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM5tX7v022342 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM5sxSs006988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM5svDu098567; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM5srln098410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM7VqBN010346 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:31:52 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:58:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001501c60620$a2e75eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512220058.27812.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com On Wednesday 21 December 2005 6:21 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello. > First i want to wish all the h-costume members a merry christmas and all > the best of a happy new year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too! > May the new year be prosperous and lucky for > all, and bring a lot of wonderfull meetings and events. > I have nearly finished the long work i have had with the chenille > embroidered robe a la francaise, i have to pack it down and make the > finishing touches to it after christmas. It takes up two much space here, > and i need to make everything ready for christmas. > You can se it on my webpage here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Stunning, truly stunning, Bjarne. I envy your talent. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 01:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM6rg9j023175 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM6rAo9011250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM6r7lG024399; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM6r4ZR024374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-80.sonic.net [209.148.113.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM6r07E021166 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <43AA4D54.1060802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:53:08 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A Periodical References: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com The Costume Society of Great Britain's website is: http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/ I've been a member for years. I think they are well worth a membership/journal subscription, but if not they at least used to sell single copies of back issues. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Kathy Page wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone out there happens to collect >the "The Journal of the Costume Society" published for >the [Costume] Society, Victoria and Albert Museum. I >am looking for a specific article in one of the >volumes. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 02:41:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBM7fpZl032708 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:41:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBM7fBF7014951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBM7fAId046153; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBM7f4lc046036 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56022 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 07:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.212.61 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 07:40:58 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051222073937.01d99780@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:40:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A Periodical In-Reply-To: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051222053935.22315.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com At 05:39 22/12/2005, you wrote: >Happy holidays to everyone on the list! > >I was wondering if anyone out there happens to collect >the "The Journal of the Costume Society" published for >the [Costume] Society, Victoria and Albert Museum. I >am looking for a specific article in one of the >volumes. If so, could I get a photocopy or a scan, and >perhaps a review to see if having such a journal in my >possession would be worth it, if that's at all >possible? Kathy If you mail me off list I will see if I have the copy you want - I have about 30, in a run, and a few odd ones. 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X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051222113654.5151C465@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com <--- "penhalion@juno.com" wrote: < ) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 22 21:55:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN2tK3U004182 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:55:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN2tBXE021355; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:55:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBN2skQs052016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBN2shQY006543; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBN2see9006506 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-71-0-15-105.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [71.0.15.105]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A866832C032 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:54:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1880s Hamburg edging Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:54:16 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001501c6076c$2cceca90$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <20051223021911.95096.qmail@web50214.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBN2see9006506 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:35:10 by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AB670F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From Cole's Encyclopedia of Dry Goods: "The first machine-made embroidery shipped to the United States was in the year 1853. The goods were consigned to a New York house by S. Hamel, of Hamburg, Germany,, who is directly responsible for the adoption in this country of the name "Hamburgs" as a descriptive term for Swiss embroidery. It is said he called them by this name in order to make the business world believe it was in Hamburg the goods were manufactured." - Cole, George S. _Cole's Encyclopedia of Dry Goods_. New York: Root Newspaper Association, 1900. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 Does anyone know exactly what Hamburg embroidery (edging, insertion) was? I know the basic dictionary "a kind of embroidered work done by machinery on cambric or muslin" but I'm trying to find out what distinguishes it from "Swiss embroidery," "fine embroidery" or simply "embroidery" - when describing cotton embroidered trims and mentioned in 1880s-1900 catalogs and books. What makes it different?? thanks, Melissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 00:01:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN51i4U009589 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:01:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN51ZZm022568; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBN2JQpU043932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBN2JISV084187; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50214.mail.yahoo.com (web50214.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBN2JGmh084120 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95098 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2005 02:19:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=clhaBHWGQhNgQ/iFug4YMI0XluAOHSCqgGAr/p73wiQ8BXRPMsZolsJ9fqgCKzIaQrdGDvtWtZMKYc8La48t8uizKmKiUwtIHr7JBHlUWBHx4niKjBo2Zw50k1S9guJVEE5Ju81KVt8USUwZl7Fx8/k4FQHHFCP33GjstnbWU+I= ; Message-ID: <20051223021911.95096.qmail@web50214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.40.23.112] by web50214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:19:11 PST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 1880s Hamburg edging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AB84B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello, Does anyone know exactly what Hamburg embroidery (edging, insertion) was? I know the basic dictionary "a kind of embroidered work done by machinery on cambric or muslin" but I'm trying to find out what distinguishes it from "Swiss embroidery," "fine embroidery" or simply "embroidery" - when describing cotton embroidered trims and mentioned in 1880s-1900 catalogs and books. What makes it different?? thanks, Melissa --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 02:58:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN7w9Pt025406 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:58:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBN7vxcc000570; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBN7vEYZ086638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBN7vAJn058125; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBN7v6Hh058066 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8a.3479b71d (3948) for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:56:54 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.3479b71d.30dd07c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:56:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ABAE07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It's absolutely gorgeous. I can't believe you have the patience. I'm working on an 18th century coat (embroidered) -not for anybody, just for fun - and have been at it for about five years now because I keep getting bored with it and stopping for months at a time. 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Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. Where they made of linnen? And in what colours? I get the idea that white was the most common colour. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 06:27:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNBQxnn006890 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:27:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNBQo8a025781; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:26:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNBQK58002596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNBQG2B047290; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:26:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNBQDxB047254 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97EA836152 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:26:12 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] gamberson question Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:26:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051223090219.2E5E3319109@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:26:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ABDEFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A gambeson is padding worn under the armour. Linen and wool were used, usually in the medium to heavy weight. If you are a part of the Society for Creative Anachronism, authenticity is encouraged but not manditory when it comes to garment fiber content. Try to go for the linen as it breaths better then cotton. As for colours I do not know. There are several sites online on how to make them. This one shows a white http://www.charlesfleming-sca.com/military/gambeson.htm http://www.liebaart.org/wambui_e.htm (?) http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/tillverkningstips/gambeson.htm Commercial Pattern http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp101.htm De -----Original Message----- Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. Where they made of linnen? And in what colours? I get the idea that white was the most common colour. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 09:21:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNELRWZ030442 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:21:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNELJO5014879; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNEHHAT015912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNEHD3E029360; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNEHAiA029278 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB0ABE8E8 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:17:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:17:05 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] gamberson question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051223141703.2DB0ABE8E8@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:21:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AC07DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks! That is very interesting. I am probaly going to use the period pattern since I have it. It is for a 15th century gambeson. And the person wil only wear a fiew armour parts. He wants it as korrect as possible. But likes it to have a colour. The only colour I have ever seen is red. But I don't now if a normal soldier would wear it in red. For filling I am thinking of using loose sheep wool or cotton batting used for making quilts. Just sew over the cloth with batting between it is much faster but would that be right? He doesn't want a very thick gambeson because he will also use the costume in play's and it will get hot under the stage lights. otsisto wrote: >A gambeson is padding worn under the armour. Linen and wool were used, >usually in the medium to heavy weight. If you are a part of the Society for >Creative Anachronism, authenticity is encouraged but not manditory when it >comes to garment fiber content. Try to go for the linen as it breaths better >then cotton. As for colours I do not know. >There are several sites online on how to make them. >This one shows a white >http://www.charlesfleming-sca.com/military/gambeson.htm >http://www.liebaart.org/wambui_e.htm > >(?) >http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/tillverkningstips/gambeson.htm > >Commercial Pattern >http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp101.htm > >De >-----Original Message----- >Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. >Where they made of linnen? >And in what colours? >I get the idea that white was the most common colour. > >Greetings, > Deredere > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 10:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFZfbf001604 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:35:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFZWBh008600; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNFWEIe022198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFW84P072083; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFW4bO071896 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20051223153146014008lmfne>; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:46 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] gamberson question Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:45 +0000 Message-Id: <122320051531.3057.43AC18610000CD8B00000BF122092246270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Caitriona Boone X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AC1944.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm not sure what colors would be used, but the wealthy folks (in period) who had armor might (and this is just conjecture) use their heraldic colors, maybe? Maybe some good places to look would be the paintings and illuminations with Italian City-State wars (or whatever those might be called). Maybe the painting sourses that have pavilions in them? I have a vague recollection of seeing paintings with gorgeous pavilions (french bells?) with men in various stages of armoring and fighting? My memory is very sketchy, so I welcome corrections! I have a few (ok, a *lot* of) construction tips that I found to be helpful when I made a gambeson for a fellow a few years ago. Try and use upholstry cotton for the batting. I found it to be thicker and it washed up pretty darn firm. I also found that once I determined each pattern piece of the gambeson, (front body, back body, upper arm, lower arm, skirt) I would draw each pieces' cutting line onto the lining fabric, leaving at least *2* inches of fabric space in between *each piece* all the way around. You should use non wash out marker that will not wash out (sharpie? I actually used a pencil, with a soft lead so it left a rather noticeable line and it didn't wash out) . And being on 'true grain' isn't really critical, as long as you are 'close enough'. You'll see why as you read further. Cut out each pattern piece at least *2* inches away from the pattern actual cutting line. Take the cut out lining pieces and lay on the outer fabric *wrong sides together*, and cut out the outer fabric using the actual cut edge of the pieces to cut around (same rules for grain alignment as lining). Lay the cut out pieces of *outer* gambeson fabric pieces, wrong side down, on the batting and cut. There is no actual 'grain' for batting, so lay out so as to not make any cabbage (waste); you can even piece the batting, too! Sandwich the outer fabric (wrong side to batting), batting and lining fabric (wrong side to batting). Quilt the each piece *individually*. Quilting each piece separately (front body sandwich, back body sandwich, arm pieces sandwiches) will make handling at the sewing machine a heck of a lot easier! I used a diamond (60 degree angle) quilting method because it would help with supporting the bias of the fabric, without actually reducing the any of the possible 'stretch' that activity would need. Zig Zag cut edges enclosing the batting. If you lay the pattern piece on the quilted pieces, you will notice that the pattern cutting line markings are just a tad to the inside of the pattern piece cutting line, because the quilting 'takes up' some of the materials. This is why one reason you need to mark the cutting lines on the lining. Do NOT assemble pieces yet!! Machine WASH AND DRY every separate piece (which is why you have the 2" all the way around and the cut edges are zig zagged to enclose the batting). The reason is so that each piece can be pre-shrunk without out the dreaded distortion that would pull adjoining pieces out of wack. This also *thickens* (fulls?) the batting so that it will be firmer, and more stable prior to the first wearing. This will also make the gambeson wash and wearable. Once the pieces are washed and dried, take the PAPER pattern pieces and lay on the OUTER fabric of each piece (make sure you flip the *paper* pattern piece if you have distinct right and left sides) on the outer side of each piece. Cut the quilted pieces around the *paper* pattern. Assemble the gambeson as desired, decorate and embellish as desired. Be sure to have several heavy duty sewing needles to hand. You might need to change them as they become dulled going through such heavy duty layers. I hope my tips will be helpful and reduce the difficulties of assembling a gameson that would shrink with the first washing! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > Thanks! > That is very interesting. > I am probaly going to use the period pattern since I have it. > > It is for a 15th century gambeson. > And the person wil only wear a fiew armour parts. > He wants it as korrect as possible. > But likes it to have a colour. > The only colour I have ever seen is red. > But I don't now if a normal soldier would wear it in red. > > For filling I am thinking of using loose sheep wool or cotton batting > used for making quilts. > Just sew over the cloth with batting between it is much faster but would > that be right? > He doesn't want a very thick gambeson because he will also use the > costume in play's and it will get hot under the stage lights. > > otsisto wrote: > > >A gambeson is padding worn under the armour. Linen and wool were used, > >usually in the medium to heavy weight. If you are a part of the Society for > >Creative Anachronism, authenticity is encouraged but not manditory when it > >comes to garment fiber content. Try to go for the linen as it breaths better > >then cotton. As for colours I do not know. > >There are several sites online on how to make them. > >This one shows a white > >http://www.charlesfleming-sca.com/military/gambeson.htm > >http://www.liebaart.org/wambui_e.htm > > > >(?) > >http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/tillverkningstips/gambeson.htm > > > >Commercial Pattern > >http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/pp101.htm > > > >De > >-----Original Message----- > >Someone asked me to make a gamberson for him. > >Where they made of linnen? > >And in what colours? > >I get the idea that white was the most common colour. > > > >Greetings, > > Deredere > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 10:40:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFel3Y002227 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:40:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNFedPI010628; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNFbm8X022661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFbkBY075842; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNFbiAH075741 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:37:38 -0800 Message-ID: <43AC19DD.3040507@msn.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:38:05 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 15:37:39.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE356780:01C607D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Calling Susan Farmer of Knoxville Tn.. 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On 1/2 Jan. the music group will be playing in one of the old houses at the Weald and Downland Museum http://www.wealddown.co.uk/ Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 23 17:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNMVejN011612 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:31:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBNMVWnL020451; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:31:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBNMV5MH074711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNMV1Zh061899; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNMUvJj061855 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D9CDF36154 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:30:54 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] gambeson question Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:31:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051223141703.2DB0ABE8E8@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:31:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AC7AC4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Asked around. Though they had no docs. the outer layer was usually wool but sometimes linen or hemp (these last two where usually canvas like weight). They know for sure that the outer layer was in colors in later 1400s - onward. (story to this: The lord of the manor would buy in bulk the material so that most of those working for him would be wearing similar if not the same color) The inner lining is linen and it is commonly white/off white and a medium to heavy weight. The padding: Can be wool batting, a heavy weight wool or linen or if you want to take the time, hemp cording or rolled up linen pulled through the channels. This is for a corset but it's to give you a rough idea; http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/cording/cord.html If the padding doesn't matter to him then go for the cotton as it would make things easier for you with the sewing. This info is word of mouth and should be taken with a grain of salt for periodness A suggestion: You might want to make him a part of the sewing process and have him help with putting it together (especially if you go the hemp cord or rolled linen route). I find fighters appreciate the garment better and don't throw it down "any ol' place" nor let it rot in the bag for weeks on end without washing or even airing it out. De -----Original Message----- Thanks! That is very interesting. I am probaly going to use the period pattern since I have it. It is for a 15th century gambeson. And the person wil only wear a fiew armour parts. He wants it as korrect as possible. But likes it to have a colour. The only colour I have ever seen is red. But I don't now if a normal soldier would wear it in red. For filling I am thinking of using loose sheep wool or cotton batting used for making quilts. Just sew over the cloth with batting between it is much faster but would that be right? He doesn't want a very thick gambeson because he will also use the costume in play's and it will get hot under the stage lights. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 01:28:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBO6RxqX018046 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:27:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBO6RmmO015786; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:27:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBO6RLeN022065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBO6REHf073786; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBO6R8VV073696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eq2rd-0008Ae-7i; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:26:45 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:26:45 -0600 Message-ID: <20051224002645.0d5nb53547o8cwkw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:26:45 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting WickedFrau : > Anyone know Susan? Her secret Sanat gift is waiting for her at the > post office. I am unable to contact her via phone or email. > I'm here! I haven't seen a card from the Post Office, but will check it out in the morning. Thanks for letting me know. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 12:33:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOHXWC7027484 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOHXOI9019027; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOHWFNq078574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOHW8Nu035501; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOHW4iu035477 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EqDFP-0005vR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:31:59 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051224083640.02db9960@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:37:16 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200512231900.jBNJ040Y029474@net.indra.com> References: <200512231900.jBNJ040Y029474@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AD8664.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 15:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKfge6000675 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKfYYu006567; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOKf79r094784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOKf3aF026098; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOKf0JF026075 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.148] (pm5-148.eos.net [205.133.149.148]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBOKew1E007408 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:40:59 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:44 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512241900.jBOJ02bC073694@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:41:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADB27E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My husband has numerous gambesons/jacks/arming coats/whatever you want to call them. I am not a fan of the Period Patterns pattern, but it works and looks fine, and is a good place to start if you don't want to draft a pattern. My husband likes a much more fitted look, more like the Charles le Blois pourpoint, but the construction methods are similar: He draws the pieces he wants on the fabric, along with the quilting lines, and then cuts a generous (2 inches at least) around that. He quilts on the machine, using regular polyester quilt batting. This causes the pieces to shrink a bit, which is why you need all the extra fabric. He does not bother washing any of the pieces after quilting, but assembles and finishes them. As far as fabric goes, he has used all sorts, but usually uses cotton Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). He wants to make one that's brocade on the outside, and he has the fabric, but he hasn't gotten around to making it yet. The last one he made is quartered and painted in various heraldic charges -- very nice looking! I don't think your friend's plan to use this as a stage costume is a good idea. Gambesons get very dirty, and they often rip from repeated sword blows and (more likely) wear from armor. They are not beautiful garments for long, even if they start out that way! It is much better to wear a fine wool, brocade, or painted coat over the gambeson and armor. That takes a lot of wear, too, but it will not get as smelly or ripped, so it is worth more time, money, and effort. That has been our experience. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 15:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKruUM000862 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:53:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOKrm00009852; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:53:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOKrXkG096233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOKrVnE031557; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBOKrSUN031477 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 5116 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 20:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 20:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c608cc$14780b80$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:53:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADB55C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Happy Chanukah to to everyone! and a very Merry New Year!!! angela+++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings > Happy Christmas to one and all! I'm signing off now as I shall be away > from my computer until 4th January. > On 1/2 Jan. the music group will be playing in one of the old houses at > the Weald and Downland Museum > http://www.wealddown.co.uk/ > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 16:40:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOLe37w003421 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:40:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBOLdtss023674; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBOLdaw3099955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOLdXiU050799; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOLdUtv050773 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:39:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:39:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.43] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512241900.jBOJ02bD073694@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:39:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2005 21:39:27.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[8397B5F0:01C608D2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADC02B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They require up to 30 layers of linen with a final layer of staghide. 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Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 18:02:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBON21g8007961 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:02:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBON1rYG014251; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:01:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBON1Nm2007371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBON1MdE082562; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51313.mail.yahoo.com (web51313.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBON1K4F082487 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73423 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2005 23:01:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xkd9aP5B+bx363i3+2+CHW5BMDI5YR6bYXVvCW2zFtP7agLaFu3taSLkvEbpHJt0BFai8pV340lh+7k3aV8Xn99Cy4Gfy5H9p7yMEDuhPayrMQvFX/ZY2qGN+yJhMOLStxx+sW79a+mcuOPsrQE5iQFFcIFMJkMLs2Za4I2HzPM= ; Message-ID: <20051224230114.73421.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51313.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:01:14 PST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:01:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADD361.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They > require up to 30 layers > of linen with a final layer of staghide. > > Marc Gosh, Marc, you come up with some of the most interesting sources. Thank you. And hopefully any source containing the ordinances will have footnotes & lead to more interesting sources. Ann in CT __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 18:29:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBONTw34009253 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBONToVO021386; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBONTRSv009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBONTOcG093172; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBONTNwC093163 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so920668nzn for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JKmdqG1YAIFhrzvH8C5/bJkiWOVWR2Sfo5ozs5I/RXvdAae4Yllw2tVsWIclwXMIGzEVmnGg4v13t6X87X5wYUdfxyG+7kyYyebhKvZ3W57s5QQ2UKCZCYUsbLAfR10JbBkHkob8hN/JUur+km4GZvRE5G+TAUOTLgGOUQBMFhs= Received: by 10.65.137.4 with SMTP id p4mr1277582qbn; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBONTNwC093163 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mysterious gift giver on Ringland Rd in Raleigh, NC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADD9EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Pardon me for using so public a medium to thank my gift exchange partner. I do not actually know the giver's name. I've received a lovely beaded purse that cannot possibly have been purchased for less than the $10 target. Wow! I'm thrilled and will happily add it to my very small collection of vintage bead and chain purses & reticules. Thanks so much, Dear Sir or Madame! I hope you'll choose to reveal yourself. Best Holiday Wishes to all h-costumers and may all your costumes be goregous! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 20:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1bBbr015237 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1b3gl026327; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP1agTu021666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1afiW042876; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1acji042854 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:36:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 01:36:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:36:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2005 01:36:38.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[A63B5820:01C608F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADF7BF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That'd be quite the garment...even with very fine linen! Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: gambeson question > You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They require up to 30 layers > of linen with a final layer of staghide. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 20:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1bB9b015238 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1b3mM021300; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP1aLWQ021614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1ZeI1042501; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav6.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1ZbNj042485 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:35:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:35:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 01:35:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:35:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2005 01:35:37.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[818C0470:01C608F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADF7BF.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > call them. I am not a fan of the Period Patterns pattern, but it works and > looks fine, and is a good place to start if you don't want to draft a > pattern. My husband likes a much more fitted look, more like the Charles > le > Blois pourpoint, but the construction methods are similar: I too find the Period Pattern difficult to work with because of it's shape. The armhole is a little on the large and modern side. That and I had to take in a really large wadge of fabric at the back waist level to get it to hang correctly on my spouse...about a 15cm pinch. I haven't found a comercial pattern yet, that I'm happy with for this garment, but will keep looking. If using this pattern, make a mock up first, just in case.;-> > Gambesons get very dirty, and they often rip from repeated sword blows > and (more likely) wear from armor. They are not beautiful garments for > long, > even if they start out that way! The gambeson should be washable, to protect the wearer from any nasty fungi that grow on his armour. Pierre's is made of linen with a cotton wadding interlining, and is machine washable, hang to dry...which is a good thing as he soaks through it every fight practice. He has also taken to wearing the new underarmour, under the gambeson, but still washes his gambeson after every fight practice. ( I say this, because a friend almost lost his arm to a rather nasty infection due to unclean armour...it doesn't take much.) His has become rust stained in places, but that adds to the look, not detracts. As for it holding up...it's now over two years old and still going strong. It was hand quilted and seams were machine sewn, with the inside armscye hand finished...that's the only place that has needed a touch up. Get a good, tightly woven fabric and you should be fine...just read in Juan d'Alcega's book that quilters often take up three finger widths when quilting up...good rule of thumb, pardon the pun. Cut an extra seam allowance when quilting. Hopefully I make sense, I have a nasty migraine...UG! Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 20:48:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1mZSl016149 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:48:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP1mRIr023849; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:48:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP1m5w7022381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:48:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1m0c8046843; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP1lvSn046820 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7309633A16 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:47:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:48:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:48:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43ADFA6B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber content and get everything but the material. De -----Original Message----- but usually uses cotton Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 22:57:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP3v0mF022494 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:57:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP3uqC3023879; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP3tqIG033358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP3tlg8093178; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBP3ti9E093151 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2005 19:55:44 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24085, pid: 24093, t: 0.9405s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 24 Dec 2005 19:55:43 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051224195403.02354318@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:55:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AE1884.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 05:48 PM 12/24/2005, you wrote: >For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed >that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." >This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. >Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber >content and get everything but the material. >De > >-----Original Message----- >but usually uses cotton >Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). > >Gail Finke "Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 24 23:06:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP46DW8023225 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBP465Fi026118; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBP45RWM034353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP45N87097189; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBP45MIR097174 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aviendiora@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so723517wxc for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NwJM18RG+uUF2eobAvMMMGLx91YdMHZaX+n12ZEvEgxZJm6gCp0NtZ5domk0C8wBcMltxtnFpurJN+0ZfT1p3Y+w3s7bApas9jApxhcZRi+y3ezVxiEUayDLBicr5hnpDH8nBTT5rlMUSykVwdzSpUyFACLAFB+TVR4c2y1+DTc= Received: by 10.70.21.18 with SMTP id 18mr4690935wxu; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.130.12 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:05:21 -0800 From: Avien To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AE1AAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jBP46DW8023225 Whenever I've seen it at my JoAnn's, trigger is 65% polyester/35% cotton and duck is 100% cotton. On 12/24/05, otsisto wrote: > > For many years (with JoAnn's bolt labeling reinforcing it) I have believed > that trigger was 100% polyester and the cotton version is called "duck." > This is the second time I have seen trigger stated to have cotton in it. > Could someone please clarify as I have tried to look up trigger's fiber > content and get everything but the material. > De > > -----Original Message----- > but usually uses cotton > Trigger (which comes in bright, heraldic colors and is pretty durable). > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 09:00:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPE0g7C016150 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:00:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPE0Xch003719; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:00:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBPDxmSN097852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:59:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPDxSqg018569; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPDxOww018544 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) Received: from elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.41]) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EqWPE-0001Ml-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: <9134499.1135519163992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:59:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:00:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AEA601.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Trigger started out as the proprietary name for a bottom weight poly cotton. It has gotten generalized in the same way as Klenex or Xerox. Wendy Colbert Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah -----Original Message----- >From: Joan Jurancich >Sent: Dec 24, 2005 10:55 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question >"Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any >fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 12:07:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPH7SGd019114 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:07:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPH7Kmk024364; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBPH5UiG013882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPH5CmD085771; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPGTvir072803 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=H9UbFOi67nBqWjxMUHePRldWujNWkWmlfDVUdwaFXBtBgAwhtSIDrlaIpPXq0Tyr; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.186] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EqYku-00014g-4w for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c60970$6f825f40$ba159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:29:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bb7b0965a1b767e675be66948cc773e7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.186 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another mysterious gift giver X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:07:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AED1C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! All I know about my partner is that the package originated in the Netherlands, so I'll just have to thank you here for the nice beads and pendants, and wish you all the best for the holidays. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 18:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPNReka024371 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:27:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPNRWar007740; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBPNQqwq047429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPNQhjc035707; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBPNQeGc035682 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B2FE735FCA for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:26:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: gambeson question Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:26:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <9134499.1135519163992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:27:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AF2AE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you. This explains much. I also remember being told that Trigger was better then Duck in keeping it's colors because it was Polyester (I guess they should have said mostly polyester) Thank you for the clarification. De -----Original Message----- Trigger started out as the proprietary name for a bottom weight poly cotton. It has gotten generalized in the same way as Klenex or Xerox. Wendy Colbert Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah -----Original Message----- >"Trigger" is just a weight/weave definition. It can be made of any >fiber. I've usually seen it in cotton. >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 25 19:47:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQ0lXYU026162 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:47:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQ0lPh4028123; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQ0kxIk054954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQ0ku5g067828; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQ0kqHG067766 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2cd.a247da (17526) for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2cd.a247da.30e09773@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:46:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: gamby question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AF3D9D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ooh, finally a subject I could talk you into the ground on. I make between 50 and a hundred bits of assorted padding a year. First of all, depending on which bit of the 15th century you're talking about, it's so much more likely to be either a padded jack or an arming doublet than a gamby / acheton - gambesons really died out in the 14th century in favour of garments similar to the 'coat armour' (my term - nobody's yet agreed on a definitive name) of charles IV of france, which were worn over the armour. The doublet (pourpoint) of charles de blois is often referred to as a piece of padded armour, but it's now generally accepted by most to be a civilian doublet that's padded to give it the necessary shape, and toughness to maintain its corset-like grip on the abdomen of the wearer. At the end of the 14th century and start of the fifteenth, padding was all colours under the sun (green, red, blue and grey seem to have been the most popular - but yellows, oranges and assorted others can be seen in manuscript illustrations, and the coat armour of the black prince in canterbury cathedral has the royal arms on it in velvet). These were gradually all dropped in favour of white for jacks - although arming doublets were still in colours - usually reds, blacks and greys. There are numerous illustrations of later C15th jacks, most notably the st ursula triptych, by memling, which shows one straight quilted and one knotted (one of them also has arm chains, though I can't remember which offhand). jacks can be worn with no armour, or with partial armour (for full harness, you'd need an arming doublet, as the stresses are completely different). there are quite a few references to padding at this time (late 14th - late 15th) - including: mention of 'northern soldiers' arriving in london during the wars of the roses, wearing jacks padded with flax, and another that mentions them being padded with 'tow'. there's a sumptuary law, forbidding the jack makers from using 'rotten linen' (some unscrupulous non-guilded types methinks). there are references in the clothing accounts of the black prince to fustian and 'cotton wool' (i.e. raw cotton fibre) being some of the materials used. references from the french of rows of english archers in white (though it's not 100% clear whether this refers to a white english livery, or a jack). a reference in the accounts of a polish count to the purchase of fustian, cotton and black velvet for the making of a padded coat - and chains to run down each quilted tube. records of a booming cotton industry in southern germany. entries in the records of the docks at plymouth receiving raw cotton in quantities that would fill containers today. records of padding all the way through the middle ages being soaked for weeks in assorted liquids to make it stronger / waterproof / more resistant to archery and swordblows (including oil, vinegar, wine, fish oil (they must have truly stunk to high heaven!!)). references to coverings of rich material or leathers (including deerhide, and deerhide soaked in various stuffs (as an aside, the chinese used rhinoceros)). obviously, the london guild was the company of tailors and linen armourers - thereby indicating that linen was the most frequently used material as to existing examples, I've already mentioned the two charles's padding, and the black prince's - there's also the rothwell jack, and the one in a collection at the met. (although they're now both believed to be 16th century - as are the fencing doublets in edinburgh and nurnburg). and of course, the lubeck and stendahl jacks, which are all mid 15th. the most interesting (because they're made for 'ordinary' people) are the lubeck jacks, which are made in fustian and cotton, and painted with some sort of black stuff (no one is sure what it is or why it's there, and it could have been added at any point in time - one can't be certain when). although the construction techniques and materials may have varied (silks and velvet outer layers for the rich, and fustian or flax for the poor, and different paddings - raw cotton, raw flax, tow, straw, raw wool, recycled ripped up cloth, layers of cloth (looseweave fustian or flax) - most of the existing garments I've mentioned, are made in exactly the same way, the only variation being the material of the outer layer. (I should reiterate that the lubeck / stendahl ones are soldiers jacks, not rich ones.) they're made up as two sandwiches - an outer one and a lining one, and using fustian with cotton padding. The inner layer is fustian, (raw) cotton, fustian, and the outer is fustian, (raw) cotton, fustian, and outer layer (either more fustian or something richer). The two sandwiches are made up as completely separate garments, each sandwich quilted through individually, using incredibly small stitches, and sewn together only around the edges when finishing them. I can't comment on patterns, as I use the old tailoring 'drawn on the cloth' technique, and cut everything from scratch based on measurements. now when making jacks I use either cotton quilt batting, and pre wash it all before cutting it (so much simpler than trying to cut it then wash), or woollen blanket type material (which would make a hand wash only jack). an average jack or gamby would have around four layers of wool, plus the outer and lining (I usually use linen or flax, again pre washed), or around 10 layers of quilt wadding (normal cotton soft and warm, as it comes on big rolls), made up in two 'sandwich' layers (won't go under the machine foot in one go). the cotton is far harder to stitch - the cotton's more dense - but gives the quilting a much better definition. I don't know if they're compatible with US machines, but I use schmetz needles in size 120 (the biggest) when making jacks. I also always hand backstitch in the sleeves using waxed flax thread (after I bent the needle carriage on my machine I do!). If you find the company of st george website (gerry embleton's group), you can download copies of their newsletter, the dragon, and I'm sure there's an article in one on how to make a jack. Also, if it has a front (or any other) opening, don't forget the port piece! Debs. PS some pics of padding are on my website at www.paddedarmour.com (the bit on the history of padding's not done yet (not enough hours in the day :o) ) PPS several european historians with an interest in this subject are currently trying to catalogue all surviving padding in the world. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 07:38:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQCcm0H003133 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:38:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQCceMo026127; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQCc6mg060473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:38:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQCZdfY076043; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f26.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQCZaX9076018 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:35:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:35:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.138.123.81] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200512231900.jBNJ040Z029474@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:35:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 12:35:36.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEEEE990:01C60A18] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 1880s Hamburg edging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:38:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43AFE450.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I don't know if this will help at all, but these definitions are from The Dictionary of Needlework (1882): Hamburg Point - a lace made at Hamburg by Protestant French refugees, after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. The lace is now obsolete, but was a description of Drawn Work, like that described in Dresden Point. Dresden Point - [much historical info about Germany and lace removed here]... Dresden became celebrated during the last part of the seventeenth century and for the whole of the eighteenth not for a Pillow lace, but for a Drawn lace, an imitation of the Italian Punto Tirato, in which a piece of linen was converted into lace by some of its threads being drawn away, some retained to form a pattern, and others worked together to form square meshes. This Dresden Point was likewise embroidered with fine stitchery, and was largely bought by the wealthy during the time of its excellence. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 09:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQEwIHl006677 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:58:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQEwAbq001828; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:58:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQEvm5x093351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQEtMOF040215; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQEswaQ039984 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:54:53 -0800 Message-ID: <43B00460.6080004@msn.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:55:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 14:54:53.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[541B6C80:01C60A2C] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A place to put your Secret Santa pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:58:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B00502.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.PictureTrail.com/uid4238963 Okay....that is the URL...this is a trial account. If we like it, I'll pay for the first upgrade. Account: hcostume Password: indra2006. I have created two photo albums. One is a place to put a picture of your secret santa gift...the other is a place to put a picture and some information about yourself. I will be working on adding my stuff later today...gotta go out and try to buy a fake tree--blech...but that is what hubby wants! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 11:21:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQGL7pn010540 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:21:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQGKxPF027584; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQGJjBZ004354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQGJb80083983; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQFb2Fo061366 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:36:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43B00E3B.8040503@msn.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:37:31 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 15:36:56.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[33FE1550:01C60A32] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Basic Picture Trail Instructions: Was: A place to put your Secret Santa pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:21:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0186B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I guess I should have added this: From this url: http://www.PictureTrail.com/uid4238963 Click on Member Login up in the upper right hand corner of the screen username: hcostume password: indra2006 This will take you to the main member page To upload pictures: Click on Upload Pics Follow the basic instructions...especially on clicking only once on "Upload Pictures Now!" I have been successful in uploading from this page, but you can also download their Photo Editor and Uploader if you want. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 26 14:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQJK4rQ014372 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:20:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBQJJtv2022619; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:19:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBQJJVCA036356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQJJNge086520; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBQJJ9iM086392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eqxru-00053x-NZ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:18:50 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:18:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20051226131850.a8h64ug3gcg0wcc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:18:50 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting WickedFrau : > > I have created two photo albums. One is a place to put a picture of > your secret santa gift...the other is a place to put a picture and > some information about yourself. I will be working on adding my > stuff later today...gotta go out and try to buy a fake > tree--blech...but that is what hubby wants! > We have an artificial tree -- I'm not crazy about it, but I don't spend the next month with a mondo case of bronchitis. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 00:42:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR5gFjw001702 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:42:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR5g76Z003150; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR5feEA098868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR5fbDK086119; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR5fWZ2086077 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2005 13:41:31 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:48:31 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:42:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0D42F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down. I've seen a child's dress at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it possible to make this for an adult? Last night I drafted up a bodice from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would it work in a brocade or should I use silk? Other images I like are: http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer Night's Dream Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period for when I might go to their events. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 01:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR635EQ002128 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:03:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR62vt5008242; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:02:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR62dr4000536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR62b9w094170; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBR62YSV094148 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8647 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 06:56:35 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:56:35 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:05:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1665.67.188.164.116.1135663516.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:05:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:03:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0D911.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for > extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look > grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me > to cool down. > I've seen a child's dress at > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it > possible to make this for an adult? Aylwen, The two dresses above are Italian, not Elizabethan. I am partial to Italians and if you can get away with it, either style would be lovely. > Last night I drafted up a bodice > from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton > brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would > it work in a brocade or should I use silk? You don't have to use silk, but do try to use all natural fibers. A fabric with even some polyester won't breathe as well. Even a thin wool will breathe better than a poly/cotton blend. I recommend all cotton for price and comfort. All linen would be slightly better because it "wicks" the sweat away from your body to keep it cool. And it is very sturdy. Silk would be lovely but if you plan to sweat a lot, silk may not be the best way to go. It can get sweat stains that may not come out. > Other images I like are: > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml > http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml > And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - > http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - The first one would get my vote! It is sexy and lovely at the same time. And it looks low cut enough to help you stay cool :~> Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 01:36:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR6aOAO002909 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:36:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR6aEoK016037; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR6ZsKh003026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR6Zq6l006477; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR6Zlve006440 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2005 14:35:46 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B0E269.6030405@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:42:49 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question References: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> <1665.67.188.164.116.1135663516.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1665.67.188.164.116.1135663516.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:36:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0E0DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ooops - yes, they are Italian Renaissance. Its a hot day here and I've just had lunch and am almost dozing in front of the computer - such a silly mistake! The brocade is essentially cotton, but the design is woven in polyester. My fabric budget is completely blown as I've got at least half a dozen men's Elizabethan outfits to make - my dress is from what I can scrounge from my cupboard! Thanks again, Aylwen Diana Habra wrote: >>I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for >>extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look >>grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me >>to cool down. >>I've seen a child's dress at >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it >>possible to make this for an adult? >> >> > >Aylwen, > >The two dresses above are Italian, not Elizabethan. I am partial to >Italians and if you can get away with it, either style would be lovely. > > > >>Last night I drafted up a bodice >>from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton >>brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would >>it work in a brocade or should I use silk? >> >> > >You don't have to use silk, but do try to use all natural fibers. A >fabric with even some polyester won't breathe as well. Even a thin wool >will breathe better than a poly/cotton blend. I recommend all cotton for >price and comfort. All linen would be slightly better because it "wicks" >the sweat away from your body to keep it cool. And it is very sturdy. >Silk would be lovely but if you plan to sweat a lot, silk may not be the >best way to go. It can get sweat stains that may not come out. > > > >>Other images I like are: >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml >>http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml >>And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - >>http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - >> >> > >The first one would get my vote! It is sexy and lovely at the same time. >And it looks low cut enough to help you stay cool :~> > >Good luck! > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 03:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR839IP019552 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:03:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR831Jx004155; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:03:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR81v4b010187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR81rTm042544; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR81ofd042510 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC75F5D1CE for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS5004H6CYX3A@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:01:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:01:45 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gamby question In-reply-to: <2cd.a247da.30e09773@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B0F4E9.5070104@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <2cd.a247da.30e09773@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:03:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0F535.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Where would I find documentation on this? Not questioning your statements - I'd like to know the sources for the information. I went to the site (http://paddedarmour.deborahloughcostumes.com/books.html), noted the four books mentioned; are those the sources for the information you reference below? Or are there others? I'm not interested in the padded armor - I'm interested in some of the other details. Roger Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >At the end of the 14th century and start of the fifteenth, padding was all >colours under the sun (green, red, blue and grey seem to have been the most >popular - but yellows, oranges and assorted others can be seen in manuscript >illustrations, and the coat armour of the black prince in canterbury cathedral has >the royal arms on it in velvet). > > snip >there are references in the clothing accounts of the black prince to fustian >and 'cotton wool' (i.e. raw cotton fibre) being some of the materials used. >references from the french of rows of english archers in white (though it's >not 100% clear whether this refers to a white english livery, or a jack). >a reference in the accounts of a polish count to the purchase of fustian, >cotton and black velvet for the making of a padded coat - and chains to run down >each quilted tube. >records of a booming cotton industry in southern germany. > > snip _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 03:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR85e34020215 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:05:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBR85WVa004787; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:05:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBR85ImA010591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR85HTo044130; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBR85CeF044089 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 173A428575 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:05:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:05:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B0F5CC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----Original Message----- <<<< I need the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down.>>>> * Low cut does not necessarily mean cooler. I've seen a child's dress at http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it possible to make this for an adult? * These are Florentine. Here are more pictures. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html <<> *Silk is an insulator so for coolness the cotton/poly is better. 100% cotton or even better 100% linen would be my recommendation for the chemise. <<>> *This is French <<>>>> *Italian. The painting is just outside of SCA period but: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/portfolio.html These are working class garments and probably not something that would have been worn to a ball. Now a festive gathering, maybe. <<>>> *The are a few flaws in the design. It appears to have a section sewn into the skirt instead of a forepart. The bodice is a different color from the rest of the gown. Now you can make this and still wear it to an SCA event as in their bylaws it basically says an attempt at period garments, not full blown authentic recreations. This allows one to participate while working towards more "period" garments. (If that is the person joining's field of interest.) Recommend if you can afford it for future Elizabethan gowns http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm If you are interested in "Italian" perhaps something from Venice http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/TitianLaviniaC1560-65.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Coccina1571.jpg How this helps some. Good Luck and hope you have fun at the ball. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 09:01:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRE1eS5010880 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRE1WP6006776; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRE0wCX066935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRE0pcW094937; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBRE0m0W094899 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 26649 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 06:00:47 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26641, pid: 26642, t: 1.6593s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 06:00:45 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051227054516.02237758@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:00:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK autolearn=no version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1493C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 09:48 PM 12/26/2005, you wrote: >I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow >for extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet >look grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to >allow me to cool down. >I've seen a child's dress at >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it >possible to make this for an adult? Last night I drafted up a bodice >from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green >cotton-cum-polycotton brocade (from the curtain section of our local >Spotlight store). Would it work in a brocade or should I use silk? >Other images I like are: >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml >http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml >And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - >http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from >1575 - I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer >Night's Dream Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period >for when I might go to their events. > >Many thanks, Aylwen The two dresses from the 1540s are too early for "Elizabethan" (Elizabeth was on the throne from 1558 to 1603). The last sketch you showed is right in the middle of her reign, so it would be best. I would not recommend a partly synthetic blend for the gown if you are worried about heat; pure natural fibers are best; so silk would be better. And if at all possible use linen for your shift (it breathes better than cotton). And be certain that you get enough water (or fruit juice, but not wine or beer) and and eat light meals. If you are going to be out of doors for this dancing, you really should try to avoid the low-cut bodice unless you wear a partlet. The partlet will help reduce the direct sun exposure that would heat you up (though you can get a sunburn through a light layer of fabric), and it will help wick the sweat away, adding to your cooling. I've been doing Renaissance Faires in California for 25 years, so I am well versed in dealing with dry heat, often in the 90s F or even above. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 10:01:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRF1TPT011662 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:01:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRF1LiR022744; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:01:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRF0qam073322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRF0oKx028088; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRF0lj4027978 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.156.5e94ef3d (62952) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <156.5e94ef3d.30e2b115@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:00:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:01:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B15741.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Boy...we really like Italian don't we. [I must agree...I love it too] But I hate that last sketch. I hate purple...I hate the design, the way it's trimmed and why is the bodice a different color from the rest? As for the little girl's gown, they used to just dress the poor dears like adults so...go for it!. If you use silk, and I recommend it, be sure to make a linen chemise to go between you and the gown. Actually....do this whatever you make the gown out of. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 10:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRFfAhF012547 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:41:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRFf157000825; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRFeZpa078486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRFeIAR054277; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRFe5HZ054060 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:40:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:40:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43B0D5AF.6010803@earthlydelights.com.au> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:40:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 15:40:05.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEF24210:01C60AFB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:41:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1608D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Aylwen, To make a gown close to what you are asking for in regard to coolness in wearing, use natural fibres. Linen and cotton are best, silk is a warm fibre, so will keep you warm(think underwear for climbing Everest in the 19thC). Stay away from polyester at all costs, as it traps your natural body heat and moisture, not allowing your skin to breath. If for 'Costume' you could bone the bodice of the gown, and encorporate a hoop or bum roll within the skirts, this would mean fewer layers. I would still recommend a linen shift underneath the gown, as you will want a layer you can throw in the wash, that and linen is nice and cool next to your skin. Good luck Kelly/estela www.goldenoakinn.com "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: A & J Garden >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question >Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:48:31 +1100 > >I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for >extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look grand >for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool >down. >I've seen a child's dress at >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it >possible to make this for an adult? Last night I drafted up a bodice from >Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton brocade >(from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would it work in a >brocade or should I use silk? >Other images I like are: >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml >http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_1.shtml >And I've just found this sketch that looks ideal - >http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - >I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer Night's Dream >Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period for when I might go to >their events. > >Many thanks, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 12:31:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHVhfa014097 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:31:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHVXTm000923; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRHV6SE093905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHUvqI035895; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHUqnO035817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-224.sonic.net [209.148.113.224]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHUipG023836 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:30:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B17A75.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related gifts everyone got? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 12:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHt2eE014409 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:55:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHssV5007853; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRHsb4W097116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHsZLa052982; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHsSGI052859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBRHsNX2017993 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <53220.64.156.242.51.1135706061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B17FEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? Certainly - you start! My H-cost Secret Santa has not arrived yet, and I spent a cash gift on tea and tea toys. So nothing costume-related for me to talk about. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 12:57:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHv7gV014427 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:57:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRHv076031339; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:57:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRHuVmH097459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHuVk0054483; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRHuRFU054345 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.100.22cdf79b (17526) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:56:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <100.22cdf79b.30e2da43@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:56:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1806C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 12/27/2005 12:32:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related gifts everyone got? I'm ready! My husband gave me a paisley shawl in shades of brown, orange, and turquoise. I decided I "had" to go to G Street Fabrics (they extended their sale through Jan. 2) and buy some suitable wool for a period dress. Found a pretty good match--brown with hints of the orange. Sort of costume-related, I bought my husband a vintage Pendleton wool bathrobe on eBay. It looks new. I didn't want to get him the terry/velour style that everyone, even the expensive men's stores, seem to carry these days, so found this gem on eBay, and it was cheaper than many new ones! It is an ombre stripe in blues and greens, and is well-tailored--has a breast pocket in addition to the skirt pockets, and a faux buttoned cuff. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 13:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRIphCD015293 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRIpYMx025063; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRIov4H004322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRIopE3094687; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f29.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRIolm8094629 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:50:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:50:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:50:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 18:50:46.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[72BCCE00:01C60B16] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B18D36.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got Juan dálcega, Jean Hunnisett's medieval-1500, and a really good book on modern flat pattern drafting, I forget the Author sorry, and it's two flights up;-> A really good year for me! I never get books for christmas! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Lavolta Press >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts >Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:30:53 -0800 > >Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related >gifts everyone got? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 14:25:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJPUfr015794 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJPMLZ002917; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRJJYcJ008044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRJJX6x015750; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav18.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRDpLn5089830 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:51:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:51:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:51:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 13:51:19.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D8693C0:01C60AEC] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B19522.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Simplicity has several Renaissance patterns at local fabric stores. They are very similar to these and in adult sizes. Check there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question > ----Original Message----- > <<<< I need the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down.>>>> > > * Low cut does not necessarily mean cooler. > > I've seen a child's dress at > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to > http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1540_1.shtml and wondered if it > possible to make this for an adult? > > * These are Florentine. Here are more pictures. > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html > > << from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton > brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would > it work in a brocade or should I use silk?>> > > *Silk is an insulator so for coolness the cotton/poly is better. 100% > cotton > or even better 100% linen would be my recommendation for the chemise. > > << http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/153x_2.shtml>>> > > *This is French > > > <<>>>> > > *Italian. The painting is just outside of SCA period but: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/portfolio.html > These are working class garments and probably not something that would > have > been worn to a ball. Now a festive gathering, maybe. > > << http://www.davidclaudon.com/Elizabethan/female.jpg as a gown from 1575 - > I'm wearing this gown in a few weeks time to a Midsummer Night's Dream > Ball, but am wanting it to fit within the SCA period for when I might go > to > their events. > > Many thanks, Aylwen>>>> > > *The are a few flaws in the design. It appears to have a section sewn into > the skirt instead of a forepart. The bodice is a different color from the > rest of the gown. Now you can make this and still wear it to an SCA event > as > in their bylaws it basically says an attempt at period garments, not full > blown authentic recreations. This allows one to participate while working > towards more "period" garments. (If that is the person joining's field of > interest.) > Recommend if you can afford it for future Elizabethan gowns > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > > If you are interested in "Italian" perhaps something from Venice > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/TitianLaviniaC1560-65.jpg > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Coccina1571.jpg > > How this helps some. Good Luck and hope you have fun at the ball. > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 14:43:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJhT5W016015 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:43:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRJhL2U009346; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRJfqob010699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRJfnj7031791; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRJfjBv031692 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBRJfdDG027881 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:41:39 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2005 14:41:40 -0500 Message-Id: <4ks6db$1qcbmr0@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,297,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1959123808:sNHT31656200" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:41:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYLFpHNMxwHMv3HTUCuZSrR0uFPwwABrP0Q X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B19959.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got "Fashions of the Gilded Age" Vol 1 and 2 - just started to read the first one today :-) Also, a Barnes & Noble gift card that will most likely go to something costume related. Oh, and my secret Santa sent me lucet cords - just beautiful colors. I really have to learn how to do that for myself... ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > > > >Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > >costume-related gifts everyone got? > > > >Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 15:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRK47iA016315 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRK3v1r016105; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRK39Fb013357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRK32mu046937; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRK2vN8046878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-110.sonic.net [209.148.114.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRK2th2026525 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <43B19DFB.3@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:03:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> <53220.64.156.242.51.1135706061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <53220.64.156.242.51.1135706061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B19E2D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The best gift was from my husband--two bound annual volumes of _La Mode Illustree_, complete with all issues, pattern sheets, and color fashion plates, pristine, looking like they've never been opened before. My Secret Santa, Carolann Schmidt, gave me a couple of dozen like-new vintage Art Deco coat buttons, in several small sets. Other than that, I got a Christmas tree ornament of a woman in circa 1880 costume, except for a loose nylon skirt befitting its status as ornament rather than costume item. It's pretty, but you may have it if you like, since my husband and I never have a Christmas tree. And if you like I will wrap it in a modern medium red tussah-type silk scarf with black woven-in accents I also received--not my color combination. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > Certainly - you start! My H-cost Secret Santa has not arrived yet, >and I spent a cash gift on tea and tea toys. So nothing >costume-related for me to talk about. > > - > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 17:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMc52p018534 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:38:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMbvc5026672; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:38:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMbPgV032866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMbJfx057142; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMbGko057098 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 49481360A3 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:37:16 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:37:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:38:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C245.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes Simplicity has patterns that they have labeled Renaissance. IMHO, They work for when you need something in a hurry and just want something that sort of looks like 1500s gowns. If you know how to remove darts you can improve upon some of the patterns. With the exception of the kirtle and sideless they produced and silly them discontinued, you have to alter their patterns to make them more "period" in construction. (Only talking about their "Medieval" and "Renaissance" patterns) De -----Original Message----- Becky wrote: Simplicity has several Renaissance patterns at local fabric stores. They are very similar to these and in adult sizes. Check there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 17:48:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMmd2e018673 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRMmVqj029284; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:48:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMm1DL034470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMlwXb064519; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+1NLn1U0t85T93bGbBWfMYm1/HjcFkE0E@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMlqwc064446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBRMlu5w017542 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:56 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jBRMlucr017540 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:56 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: <20051227224756.GA17448@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:48:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C4BF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got quite a bit of costume related stuff this year. 1. A set of 3 knit-in-the-round things I'm probably going to use for kumihimo looms. I can knit in the round faster than I can move yarn from one bump to another. 2. Ramdom fabric remnants. These aren't all useful for costuming because they have a lot of polyester in them, but are great for bag making. 3. A lighted seam ripper, you can never have too many seam rippers! 4. A package of Schmertz needles and finally, my favorite... 5. A knitting machine. It's inexpensive, but it's very cool for doing rows and rows of stockinette stitch! The next most popular category of present was "kitchen stuff" for me. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:00:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN0gZH018863 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:00:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN0Y3o032519; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:00:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMo79E034778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMo6e7065949; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMo3Ej065832 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS600LU4I39QGV6@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.35] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.218]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:49:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:49:57 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C792.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I must send an appology to my Secret Santa, due to working in a Dept Store these past few weeks, I sent out my box a few days after the deadline. All I'm telling is it was sent from NJ to CA. As for recieving a box - not yet,,, but I like surprises. On the Homefront - my hubby made me a Yarn Swift* (Mark 2), he disassembled the first one he made and tried to make another one - however he ran out of materials so I have to wait to use it till sometime Mid-January. Katheryne * a Yarn Swift is a piece of equipment for people who spin their own yarn, it helps turn a ball of yarn into a neat-and-tidy skein From: Lavolta Press My Secret Santa, Carolann Schmidt, gave me a couple of dozen like-new vintage Art Deco coat buttons, in several small sets. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:03:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN2vVs018896 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN2ntS000638; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRMvVc9035515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMvTqR070441; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRMvPDu070314 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-222.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.222]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2005 06:57:17 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B1C875.4050401@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:04:21 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C819.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a different brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean Hunnisett - I have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days of wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from Jean's book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with that, and a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be using a bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see if that works or make another. I already have a very natural bum/hip/roll! I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from experience that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked cotton blouse makes me overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick sleeves so will have to think about the style there. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN3GmX018901 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRN395P019026; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRN2Yaj036031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRN2YqG073523; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRN2UOF073475 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:02:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EA72EF0 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20051227224756.GA17448@toysmakeuspowerful.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYLN69fC+O1NBRSSXK7FK6CVO/aSgAAax7Q Message-Id: <20051227230228.129EA72EF0@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1C82D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got a Kromski harp table loom (24") so I can try my hand at simple weaving, and some knitting related stuff. A book on pattern draping. A very nice shawl from Myanmar. And a very fancy waffle iron (gotta eat, after all). -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNMfWe019230 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNMXRk005729; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNGvcM037856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNGqwG083170; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBRNGmHA083081 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5DU36ASSKD52 for (sender ); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LC9W5DZF; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:15:14 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:03:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Message-ID: <20051227.170343.-7461117.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,10-40 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:550819543 X-MAIL-INFO: 05ef370737bbbe13bbbef7afbef77a2b1b028fd3bf3e023b2fdbbfba3b63834e3b5a3f4bef5befcf2af733beefaf X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7+jETlkvpZKU69hxCf9atyDpYs8ZYe6sOw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1CCB9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm not sure if it will work with your design, but it was relatively common to put a light silk organza-type sleeve over an embroidered (blackworked) chemise. Karen Seamstrix On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:04:21 +1100 A & J Garden writes: > Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've > > decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a > different > brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean > Hunnisett - > I have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days > of > wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from > Jean's > book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with > that, > and a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be > using a > bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see > if > that works or make another. I already have a very natural > bum/hip/roll! > I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from > experience that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked > cotton > blouse makes me overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick > sleeves > so will have to think about the style there. > Many thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:34:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNYIZ8019377 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNYAx5008657; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNXpZQ039964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNXmVJ093634; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNXiip093548 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26232 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:01:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:01:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1CF72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Few people dare to get me costume-related gifts because I don't need fabrics/trims/patterns (I have a huge stash and extremely particular needs, plus I sew relatively few things these days). And I buy my research-related materials outright so I can deduct them on my taxes. So nearly all my holiday gifts were very routine (pleasure reading, cologne, etc.). The exception was my h-cost Secret Santa gift. I was delighted to find I was assigned to Jonnalyhn Hall, with whom I've already had a correspondence and who happened to buy some wool from me a while back, which ended up being part of her wedding costume. So for my gift she made me a handsewn pouch from a scrap of that wool, with a drawstring that I believe is hand-twisted from wool yarn. Inside the pouch were two lovely strands of gemstones (one malachite, one lapis) that I can use for my other hobby/business (jewelry-making). All in a little tin that stared at me evilly while I decided whether to open it early ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNqHVg019585 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:52:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNq9sO012856; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:52:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNkZuB041468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNkWKt001778; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNkTs5001698 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:46:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:46:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:46:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2005 23:46:25.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[C00EFA10:01C60B3F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:52:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D3AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm new to costumes or Renaissance clothing so it works for me. I can make just about anything I want to from a picture or sketch. I make my own patterns and styles from other sources. I use the patterns for the basis or beginning foundations of any design. I seldom make one without altering it to the situation. I don't do many message boards... what is IMHO? ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question > Yes Simplicity has patterns that they have labeled Renaissance. > IMHO, They work for when you need something in a hurry and just want > something that sort of looks like 1500s gowns. > If you know how to remove darts you can improve upon some of the patterns. > With the exception of the kirtle and sideless they produced and silly them > discontinued, you have to alter their patterns to make them more "period" > in > construction. (Only talking about their "Medieval" and "Renaissance" > patterns) > > De > > > -----Original Message----- > Becky wrote: > Simplicity has several Renaissance patterns at local fabric stores. They > are > very similar to these and in adult sizes. Check there. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 18:58:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNwZZe019678 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:58:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBRNwRaJ014173; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBRNuqX3042874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNumx8007911; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBRNujAB007827 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DFE8936166 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:56:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43B1C875.4050401@earthlydelights.com.au> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D523.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here is an exception to cotton, cotton velveteen (from my experience) is a warm material like corduroy (which is usually cotton). A handkerchief weight linen would be great for the partlet. The purple dress sleeves looks "Frenchish" in style. I think it is trying to be like this: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg You might want to pink or slash the sleeves for ventilation like this http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady47.jpg or http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownChild6.jpg ("Italian") De -----Original Message----- Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a different brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean Hunnisett - I have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days of wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from Jean's book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with that, and a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be using a bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see if that works or make another. I already have a very natural bum/hip/roll! I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from experience that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked cotton blouse makes me overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick sleeves so will have to think about the style there. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:05:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS05wHO019798 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS05oEx016304; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS05T5O043921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS05PK2012837; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:05:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS05LT2012768 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.214.10660187 (4418) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <214.10660187.30e330b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D6DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 12/27/2005 5:48:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com writes: 3. A lighted seam ripper, you can never have too many seam rippers! Ohhhh, I've never seen a LIGHTED one! How cool is that! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:10:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0AJA2019840 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:10:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0ABvr017404; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:10:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS08dR2044179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS08cBD014499; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS08ab5014414 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.99.6d4bd311 (4418) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:08:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <99.6d4bd311.30e33172@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:08:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas costuming haul To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D7E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And I guess I need to say what my Secret Santa sent me, as I said I liked to play with trims--a very nice length of knitted lace, some olive green velvet ribbon, and a sheer trim with pink/olive flowers, all wound around a very nice European chocolate bar! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:17:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0HUiv019921 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:17:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0HNJl019514; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS0H5sE045025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS0H1C2019199; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBS0Gvau019159 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 25341 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2005 16:16:57 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25331, pid: 25332, t: 0.9977s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 16:16:56 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051227161544.022375b0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:16:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Abbreviation, was Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1D993.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 03:46 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote: >I'm new to costumes or Renaissance clothing so it works for me. I >can make just about anything I want to from a picture or sketch. I >make my own patterns and styles from other sources. I use the >patterns for the basis or beginning foundations of any design. I >seldom make one without altering it to the situation. >I don't do many message boards... what is IMHO? >[snip] IMHO = In My Humble Opinion Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 19:58:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0wms1020469 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:58:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS0we1w029248; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS0w0rE049205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS0vu7o039732; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS0vsv1039711 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so1171388wra for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Dh7bpBqS45ZerFTgXrfstL+JDRWzoEvBC3aLJIYX97gD5Qw4N0arx0Rw3AI4CYfd9Mim1rwPVBPlpp47S0KkU0cOiWmOPwnBsxbexxoEcjRBUgXsNByr5kX5581k0i4WJujWZ0HyA9HAx/B3/CW1G0+SxBSv0NPQuU5Yjbt32As= Received: by 10.65.228.18 with SMTP id f18mr1683914qbr; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:57:53 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBS0vsv1039711 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Elizabethan Gown question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:58:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E340.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >I'm planning an Elizabethan gown to wear for dancing. It must allow for >extremely hot weather, 4-hour long stretches of dancing and yet look >grand for costume displays. I ned the bodice to be low-cut to allow me >to cool down. My favorite activity, too! I do alot of vintage (15th c - early 20th c) dance. All those who said "natural fabrics" are right. There is no other solution. Besides they look & feel wonderful. My Elizabethan, like your design, is open necked and I highly recommend it. I saw someone else write suggesting "false bummes". If you do one, fill it in COTTON batting or you will be horriblly damp where the roll rests. Do not use poly fiberfill even if you think it's lighter & wil be cooler. T'wont! If you can handle a drum fartingale, wow, this is the ticket. My 1600 dress was designed for a muggy August ball. Light & cool, amazing to dance in. Most people prefer the earlier, Spanish style conical farthingales. Headgear is your next ticket to cool dancewear. If you sport enough hair pile it high and cover with the lightest silk organdy veiling. It can be like a ruff, it could be on a jeweled band. Sadly, I'm forced to wear a wig. This is the warmest thing in my dance wardrobe. >I've seen a child's dress at >http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1542_1.shtml which is similar to If you've got "Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" you'll know that QEI was fond of and vastly interested in gowns from many other countries, particularly France & Italy. If you like Florentine 16th c, get out your copy of "Stylo di Eleanora". There's contemporary pics and an extant 1560s gown worth copying. Also, in the interest of dancers & dancewear, there are cute embroidered linen drawers for women. No sticky legs! >... Last night I drafted up a bodice >from Jean Hunnisett and today I washed some green cotton-cum-polycotton >brocade (from the curtain section of our local Spotlight store). Would >it work in a brocade or should I use silk? Silk is a fiber, brocade a weave, so by all means use both. Actually, I wouldnt recommend any other fiber. Let's talk weaves. Taffeta is nice, it's lovely & crisp tho' QEI's contemporaries called it "sarceonet". Damasks are also lightweight when done in silk. Brocatelle will give you a bit of glimmer. Finally, what's Elizabethan without gobs of jewelry? Unfortunately for most dancers, it's a bouncing, clanking, dress-snagging, strand-of-beads-breaking-on-the-floor hazzard. Plan accordingly! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:24:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OdW0020799 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OVtN002410; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1MlsQ051548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1Mih4052526; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1MeeD052494 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C4DA34F87 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:22:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:23:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E94F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In My Honest Opinion. :) -----Original Message----- I don't do many message boards... what is IMHO? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OeXK020800 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1OW2G029878; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1MsOY051578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1Msfp052623; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1Mota052599 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A149534F98 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:22:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:23:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:24:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E950.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ah. I thought you were wanting the melons on a platter low cut. basically you want the average neckline, not a high collar neckline. Okay, I understand now. :) De ----Original Message----- <<<< I need the bodice to be low-cut to allow me to cool down.>>>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:25:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1PUWt020811 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1PNWL002859; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1OC2P051682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1OCdi053182; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1O8FH053156 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74DC634F8D for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:24:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Abbreviation, was Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:24:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051227161544.022375b0@surewest.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1E983.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And that too. :) -----Original Message----- IMHO = In My Humble Opinion Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 20:42:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1g6B7020964 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS1fwie007000; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS1fdLV053654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1faL5062083; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS1fRdx062012 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-68-46-87.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.68.46.87]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C0B32C016 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:41:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:41:01 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1ED66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My costume-related gifts included several books, a lovely selection of ribbons and braids from my h-costume secret Santa, Ann Wass, and sock-knitting pattern software. I'm anxious to see how it interprets original mid-19th century patterns. :-) Carolann Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:06:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS26rcA021216 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:06:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS26jE3013772; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS26Itl056315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS26FNr074456; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS267Cs074398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-10-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.10]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jBS263uD023273 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:06:06 +1100 Message-ID: <002c01c60b53$434cb710$0ad6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B1C875.4050401@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:06:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:06:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1F335.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gown question > Hi, thanks for all the help - after spending more time overnight I've > decided to use wine red cotton velveteen as the dress and a different > brocade for the sleeves and underskirt. I'm still using Jean Hunnisett - I > have all the other patterns mentioned but am at a stage these days of > wanting to draft for myself - and I love the style I'm using from Jean's > book. I've got lots of handkerchief linen so will be lining with that, and > a friend made me a tudor chemise earlier this year. I'll be using a > bumroll - I've got a small one from my 18th century gown so I'll see if > that works or make another. I already have a very natural bum/hip/roll! > I will be making a fine lawn partlet and a neck ruff. Its from experience > that I know to have a low neck - even a high necked cotton blouse makes me > overheat - I need air on my skin! I hate thick sleeves so will have to > think about the style there. > Many thanks, Aylwen I'd say the poly/cotton brocade would create about the same heat as the cotton velveteen, but I'm aware of the difficulty of obtaining 100% cotton brocades (I've never seen a 100% cotton fabric with a period motif in any of the fabric shops around here and I've heard it's much the same elsewhere in Australia too) For cool sleeves there's always the ever popular Helena Snakeborg portrait that is so heavily copied by costumers http://tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg in which the sleeves appear to be made of the same fabric as the partlet. Much the same style can be seen in thse portraits of Queen Elizabeth http://tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth22.jpg (the famous Pelican portrait of 1575) http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Elizamin01.jpg (a miniature of 1572) http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza40.jpg (in which the sheer oversleeves are just visible) I'm not sure what you'd do about the embroidery but it would certainly be cool. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:32:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2Wg2a021488 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2WY7h019580; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2W7iY058801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2W5rX087138; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2Vpob087005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS49Lcg002531 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:09:22 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:35:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> In-Reply-To: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512272135.56398.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:32:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1F942.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tuesday 27 December 2005 8:41 pm, Carolann Schmitt wrote: > My costume-related gifts included several books, a lovely selection of > ribbons and braids from my h-costume secret Santa, Ann Wass, and > sock-knitting pattern software. I'm anxious to see how it interprets > original mid-19th century patterns. :-) Very nice. I got lucky this year too. I got copies of the following books: "Chinese Textiles," by Verity Wilson. "Nineteenth Century Fashion in Detail" (which has been discussed on this list) "A Perfect Red," by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used in textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) "Mauve," by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular dye) "Living Colors," which purports to be a manual of historically-used color palettes but is mostly good for its anecdotal details. In addition, my sister-in-law, who is working near Beijing as an art teacher, gave me a genuine pair of embroidered lotus shoes, a pair of embroidered antique Chinese baby shoes, and two embroidered pieces that I plan to have framed. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2Z4Cu021515 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:35:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2YuoP020007; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2YUfw059051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2YVte088319; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2YSmX088290 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBS2YPKI009180 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:25 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.70.157] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-70-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.157]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2c9sR014877 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:33:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <002b01c60b4f$c848e460$0500a8c0@genteelarts> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1F9D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I didn't really get any costume-related holiday gifts. I got a lovely little 1906 how-to book on book binding, including how to make all those period-pattern marbleized papers. I'm also getting new glasses, which I'm having put into frames that are much more period-looking than the ones I have now. But nothing any more costume-related than that. I got a mysterious envelope with many cancelled stamps, for my collection, and two skeins of really interesting thread suitable for either doll hair or for making small crochet pouches with. Was that the secret Santa gift to me? I did finally get the Secret Santa gift I owed mailed today, to someone in Erie, PA, who says she likes non-usual SCA costumes. I hope she doesn't have anything like this... CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 21:38:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2cAVi021546 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS2c2Y9020740; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS2bZnU059341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2bYId089784; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS2bUVb089742 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27596 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:05:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:05:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts In-Reply-To: <200512272135.56398.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:38:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B1FA8A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > "A Perfect Red," by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used in > textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) > "Mauve," by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular dye) I heard an interview with the author of "Mauve" on NPR when the book first came out -- it sounded fascinating. I hadn't heard of the Red book; let us know how these are! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 22:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3nfv4022318 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3nV0P003606; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS3n065067017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3muXZ023744; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3mrJs023717 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id B1790138543; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.98.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.98]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D58813851D for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> <435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:48:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gift exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B20B4B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dawn, Could you give me the email address of my Secret Santa gift recipient? I just got an email from the vendor I bought the gift from, saying that Australian customs had refused to pass it through (though according to their rules, it should have passed). I'd like to email my recipient to see if the two of us can figure out how to get her the gift! My recipient's name is Sharon Nevin. Thanks, and sorry to bother you with this--it seemed better to do it off-list. Hope I was right. =} E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 22:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3tFBv022378 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:55:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS3sx6V004924; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS3saEj067581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3sXYg026303; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS3sTWX026235 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B433CEF1 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:54:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43B20C6C.70507@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:54:20 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gift exchange References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> <435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B20C93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! E House wrote: I'd like to email my recipient to > see if the two of us can figure out how to get her the gift! > Argh! Sorry to hear about the problem. Hope you can get it resolved quickly. sharon.nevin@gmail.com Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 23:31:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4Vae5022962 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:31:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4VQK8014453; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4V493071163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4V1QI043201; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4UvBM043168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.126] (pool180-126.patriot.net [209.249.180.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBS4UpTK024110 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:31:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2151E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 23:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4jOja023076 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:45:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4jGF0018062; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:45:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4ihsn072667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4ifM9049803; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBS4ibAb049705 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5EF9VAQM7X4J for (sender ); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDAHWBMR; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:43:25 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:29:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Message-ID: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,9-10,15-20,22-34,35-32767 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 8:4:684952859 X-MAIL-INFO: 38250dcc0d55d5e555d519fcd519a8c9ddc87108b5f1c8c54800b51cc50c5d59c59c8c4d252c25acb1196cd525fc8db5488c6c21bdcc490001488dfc493c0141e195492999b9ecac00a5f8413d75059d35b8257539ed0569b928eda9355db995a9 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7+jETlkvpZKUar5rAstpUb9QpoNU29vZBw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2185C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Not too many costuming presents from friends and family although my friend Jay got me a really cool reproduction of a Mesopotamian cylinder seal designed to be worn as a necklace. My Secret Santa was Jayne Thomas from England who sent me some lovely lengths of fabric- one in a silky, dusty purple/lavender and another in a gorgeous red damask- I think this one is silk. She also sent me pictures of her family and a lovely letter telling me all about herself. Thanks so much, Jayne! Everything got here in plenty of time! Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:48 -0500 Carol Kocian writes: > > Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) > Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful > blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal > design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 27 23:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4o0km023116 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:50:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS4nqv6019161; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4nVEN073304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4nTxQ052071; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS4nQ1P052033 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBS4nTEV012796 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:29 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.70.157] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-70-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.157]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS4n86Q240680 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051227204848.03561b58@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:48:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ?Holiday/Secret Santa gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B21970.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I didn't really get any costume-related holiday gifts. I got a lovely little 1906 how-to book on book binding, including how to make all those period-pattern marbleized papers. I'm also getting new glasses, which I'm having put into frames that are much more period-looking than the ones I have now. But nothing any more costume-related than that. I got a mysterious envelope with many cancelled stamps, for my collection, and two skeins of really interesting thread suitable for either doll hair or for making small crochet pouches with. Was that the secret Santa gift to me? I did finally get the Secret Santa gift I owed mailed today, to someone in Erie, PA, who says she likes non-usual SCA costumes. I hope she doesn't have anything like this... CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 00:24:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5OuPh023503 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5OnSl030606; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS5O1xJ076083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5NxkQ067802; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from 227.148.127.216.safepages.com (227.148.127.216.safepages.com [216.127.148.227] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5NsRW067743 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by 227.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 0C14B1BF6D; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:23:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.1.19.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.1.19]) by 227.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E85F1C18D for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:23:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <010d01c60b6e$e38f1130$a300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com><435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> <00ae01c60b61$9eabcbb0$a300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gift exchange Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:23:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B221A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! OOOooooops. I sure did fail to do this offlist. Sorry, folks. E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 00:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5vUgE023859 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:57:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBS5vMTM009420; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBS5uhhA079671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5udnG083302; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBS5uaft083279 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ErUId-0003Cz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:56:35 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051227231056.02e52298@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:23:26 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200512280058.jBS0vvWH039737@net.indra.com> References: <200512280058.jBS0vvWH039737@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:57:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B22942.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This was a literary Christmas for me - I got "Memoirs of a Geisha - a Portrait of the Film" which has lovely pics - I do a lot of oriental -inspired costumes so this will give me more ideas... I also got 3 books (2 wrapped and one still in transit) from my research list for my Empress Theodora costume I'm doing this spring. I got a lovely vintage-look tree ornament, and several modern paperbacks and one hard cover book in my favorite genres, military science fiction and alternate history. Plus a bookstore gift card. The only non-literary gift besides the ornament was a new set of sheets (needed - but it's still 'fabric' ). Reference alternate history - one of those I got was part of a series by Harry Turtledove - who is an historian by education and when he's not writing fiction. The series is called "Crosstime Traffic" and deals with a company which sends observers across dimensions to places where Earth's history came out differently. This one I got postulates that the Kaiser's Germany never fell and rules North America (this from the back cover). The previous ones did give some interesting insights into how the historical culture might have evolved (or stagnated), along with details like cooking, commerce, clothing, etc. Fun reads! Happy New Year, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 08:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSDPkf6028155 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:25:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSDPc49026223; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:25:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSDP7Qr040279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSDP1mv092393; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSDOqQ3092279 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:24:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051228132446015004v0nqe>; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:46 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:45 +0000 Message-Id: <122820051324.21614.43B2921D0005E0B60000546E22073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B29252.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello! My gift was from Carol Kocian, who gave me the book by Mara Riley, "Whatever Shall I Wear?" and several small lengths of basic cotton and linen "twill type" tapes. And also pieces of a pale green toile cotton for my quilting, too! Since I have decided to start playing in the era generally associated with the civil war of the US, I'm definitely going to be using everything! Thank you Carol, for these thoughtful gifts! Elena, Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Carol Kocian > > Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) > Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful > blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal > design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 09:04:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSE4Ipl028922 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:04:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSE4Bgu005818; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSE3qYt043749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSE3nWB012167; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:03:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSE3jEu012103 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:03:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m2.in-tch.com [216.166.191.2]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBSDtnb12225 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:55:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60bb8$7963a7e0$02bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:10:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:04:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B29B5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Glad it arrived safely! I was horribly late in sending it--we've had really vile, icey weather (although it's mostly just drippy/wet now), and it made navigating my way to the post office a bit difficult! --Sue, in rapidly thawing Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts > > Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) > Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful > blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal > design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 09:20:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEKHsg029422 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:20:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEKALP010438; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSEJcg4045526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEJbXf021872; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEJV0P021797 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24754.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.84]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B7FFB5EE01B for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:19:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c60bb9$b7c16d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:19:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holliday gift exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:20:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B29F1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My gift exchanger, Tara Broadway got an embroidered purse with a Shorleyker pattern, mirrored and flipped to make a motif for renaissance use. It was embroidered on ivory silk taffeta with silk threads. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries19.htm I didnt get her gift yeat, she emailed me and told me she had broken a leg and therefore my gift wasnt send until last monday. But always nice to waite for surprises. >From Leif i got a ligtbox, wich i have already taken in use, drafted pattern for a ladys gusset bag embroidered with silk pansies, if it gets nice, i want to give it for my sister. Then i finally will be able to send away the francaise dress at the end of this week for the lady i made it for in New York. So i will be looking forwards to a time without any bonds........ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 09:26:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEQXvb029524 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSEQQMM012303; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSEPdUv046043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEPamP024940; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSEPYd6024889 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:29 -0800 Message-ID: <43B2A059.6040308@msn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:25:29 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 14:25:29.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D91C100:01C60BBA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2A092.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! So far all of my gifts from friends and family have been for the geeky side of me. (I will be meeting with my sewing/costume friends this Friday) I got an MP3 player and a new printer/scanner/copier/fax. But my Secret Santa, Diana Habra, sent me the most beautiful German goller made from black wool and linen, decorated with a hand stitched border of luscious fawn colored silk! I will put pictures of it up soon on the h-costume picturetrail! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 10:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFE00f030527 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:14:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFDqg1026936; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSFCGSH051259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFCDFh052117; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFC9pi052076 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m2.in-tch.com [216.166.191.2]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBSF4Db23980 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:04:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005d01c60bc2$077c85c0$02bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:18:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:13:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2ABB0.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I didn't really get any this year, and haven't yet received my Secret Santa present from the list exchange. I got lots of other very nice things, though...several kinds of chocolate, a nice teapot, cat toys for my kitties, a historical cookbook, etc. Oh, wait....I did buy myself a kit from Philosopher's Wool for a Fair Isle Cardigan. Luscious, luscious colors...mmmm....Not "costume," but definitely clothing, if that counts. And my sister's MiL sent me a hand-dyed silk scarf from Bejing. I gave a couple of textile-related things as gifts--one friend got a small purse done in a fair isle pattern (knitted), and my BiL got a seaman's scarf (knitted). My SiL, Beth, who is the other knitter in the family, is getting handspun yarn from me for her projects. Oh, ack, wait....I actually *did* get something costume-related. A friend gave me some wood-carving tools. I'm wanting to learn how to do basic pewter casting, so I can make my own buttons for fitted gowns, and maybe some pilgrims' badges, and you can use the carving tools to carve your stone molds. --Sue in drippy-cold Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 10:49:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFnOpS031330 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:49:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFnGge006160; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSFmir5055761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFmfWW076038; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFmaoO075985 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.24]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ErdXX-00058I-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <14651773.1135784915561.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:48:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2B3FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Costume-related: one of my sisters gave me half a yard of deep claret cotton velvet "for costumes"--she said it was an odd present, but I can already think of three ways I could use it for this summer's production! Textile: my other sister gave me a throw, Lord Ganesha batiked on hand-woven cotton (made in India)--Ganesh happens to be this agnostic's (i.e., my) favorite god and also looms large in my legend since I have directed two productions of Terrence McNally's A Perfect Ganesh. Sewing: my sister-in-law gave me a small three-drawer chest which will sit on my sewing table and hold, probably, 1) snaps, 2) hooks, and 3) decorative fasteners. MOST EXCELLENT: Kimiko Small was my h-cost santa. I'll post a picture of what she sent so that all can enjoy it; for now, I'll quote the description she included: "The sweet-bag style purse is hand made by me. It is made of black cotton velvet, with gold metallic dupionni silk applique, couched by hand with red silk cord. Freshwater pearls, red glass seed beads and a dark red garnet bead add final touches to the applique. The gold cording closure is held in place by hand-sewn loops. The bag is lined with red silk shantung." I will carry this when I serve as Queen at a medieval/ren banquet fundraiser late in January. As a creation and as an accessory, its value to me goes FAR beyond the h-cost exchange "limit"! Ending of semester (English prof!) plus a holiday production outpaced my imagination, and I santa-ed a gift certificate from a supplier I'm confident my partner can use. But wish I had been able to rise to the level of creativity I'm seeing in so many of the gift descriptions! In the next few days (as soon as I get the thing uploaded) I'll be posting a link to a photo I took after our recent (early December) snowfall. It will serve as my holiday greeting card to you all.... Meanwhile, ho ho ho! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lavolta Press >Sent: Dec 27, 2005 12:30 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Holiday gifts > >Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what >costume-related gifts everyone got? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 10:58:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFwYTJ031603 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSFwR5d009121; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSFvhAP056845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFvdLx082029; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSFvV8x081917 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24754.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.84]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 36B1C47FED2 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c60bc7$6f6dc4a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor taylor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2B623.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I found this information on living history uk. Its a new book released the coming spring, and i recon that many of you would be interrested: http://www.tudortailor.com/ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 11:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGCP28031891 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:12:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGCHtU013580; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:12:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSG6jJ4057921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:06:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSG6eIj088393; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSG6LLW088058 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6693298 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:06:16 -0600 Message-ID: <00dc01c60bc8$b1144c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c60bc7$6f6dc4a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor taylor Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:06:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:12:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2B962.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Tudur Tailor I ordered 2 just before Christmas one for me one for gift next christmas. Lori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 11:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGjMpW032615 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:45:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGjDxX024408; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSGib1T062460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGiYRo015718; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGiNbN015601 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS700HZLVTTHSWK@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:44:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:44:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth Western Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor taylor In-reply-to: <000501c60bc7$6f6dc4a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Tudor taylor Thread-index: AcYLzfE6L37VTXfBEdqFqQAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2C11A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I ordered mine just before Christmas and am really looking forward to receiving the book. LJ users got the notice of the site going live last week. ELizabeth On 12/28/05 10:57 AM, "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > Hi, > I found this information on living history uk. > Its a new book released the coming spring, and i recon that many of you > would be interrested: > http://www.tudortailor.com/ > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 11:48:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGmt5T032666 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:48:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSGmlHg025571; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSGmYYG062872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGmXxV018791; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGGact095556 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IS70074AUIO9UD2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:16:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:27:51 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: Historic Costume , F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, ICG-D list , siliconweb@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <43B2BD07.3030004@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: sorry for any abounce messages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2C1EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We moved my website to a new server and had a problem getting the mail working. Please accept my apologies for any bounced messages and to those who get this more than once. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 12:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSH1SCS000434 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:01:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSH1KXB030771; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:01:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSH0EOn064844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSH07T1028353; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSGxvsH028152 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB743D473 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43B2C48A.7000604@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:54 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts References: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:01:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2C4E0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My husband thoughtfully gave me several books from my costuming wish-list, "The Little Hat Book", "How the West was Worn", and a book on making victorian style ribbon trim (coincidentally I had been drooling over the very title a week before because I bought it for my exchange recipient). Cynthia, from the list, sent a box of assorted quilting fabrics and some nifty buttons, for my other textile hobby. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 13:07:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSI786P004059 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSI70ki020361; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSI6YCZ073397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSI6VW9077868; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSI6SmD077826 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.23.61]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IS700ADPZM84IFO@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:06:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:18:00 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts In-reply-to: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B2D6D8.6020404@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051227.222913.-7461117.2.penhalion@juno.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B2D444.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I received a box from Germany that contained a lovely porcelain Faberge egg. I'm having tourble figuring out the giver's name. Thank you Secret Santa, who ever you are. The closest costuming item I received was that my daughter & I spent part of the weekend updating my website and moving it over to a new server. The only down part was the problem getting the e-mail reestablished, I had 2 dayswith no mail hopefully there weren't that many bounced messages. As soon as we found the problem I changed all (where possible with out unscribing) my list settings to no mail. A thought for next year if we do this again. I included a copy of the information I submitted to Dawn in the package that went to my gift recipient so she would get to know a bit about me. Jeanine in MA Karen R Bergquist wrote: >Not too many costuming presents from friends and family although my >friend Jay got me a really cool reproduction of a Mesopotamian cylinder >seal designed to be worn as a necklace. > >My Secret Santa was Jayne Thomas from England who sent me some lovely >lengths of fabric- one in a silky, dusty purple/lavender and another in a >gorgeous red damask- I think this one is silk. She also sent me pictures >of her family and a lovely letter telling me all about herself. Thanks so >much, Jayne! Everything got here in plenty of time! > >Karen >Seamstrix > > >On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:48 -0500 Carol Kocian >writes: > > >> Naturally mine was waiting for me today when I got home. :-) >>Sue Clemenger sent some chocolate truffles (Yum!) and a beautiful >>blank book covered in green velvet, with a Celtic knotwork animal >>design embossed into it. Very cool, thank you! >> >> -Carol >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 16:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSLZLUx014495 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSLZCj1029828; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSLY4XU006942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSLXuVd035166; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:33:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42407.mail.yahoo.com (web42407.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBSLXtZG035068 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62980 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2005 21:33:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=254l+kw7n9poLA0848GUZQTvYaPeenvYYAWhHYvOr7h1l893BAyBxiHkaa/O04dp2q7CuYFkYGOHuiNdcBtEngf0TURdnK9dqd5n3lxBuJBEZpJhOd7kdRvsQnheVo5rlWxp5NZPtZD075/bYaoaSG6jaFzM0p9A55g9gs0JnmA= ; Message-ID: <20051228213348.62978.qmail@web42407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.65] by web42407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:33:48 PST Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B30511.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! I received a child mannnequin from my parents this Christmas, so I now have a 'set' - the baby, toddler and child. I also received a copy of 'The Tudor Housewife' by Alison Sim, which has a chapter on housework, which includes the Tudor way of doing the laundry and stain removal! I got a copy of 'Shakespeare in Love' as I like Judi Dench, and of course, the costumes! My secret Santa present hasn't arrived yet (the Royal Mail can be so slow sometimes!), so I have something to look forward to! Wishing everybody the best for 2006! Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 18:56:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSNur7N017637 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSNujXg017935; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSNuCgB032927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSNu8ae041358; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBSNu6x0041330 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17CA405FE for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb08.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.43aa525b.36030 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDsyYV0RxCDwIAAAAB,0bc94c9a44e30363064a11bd4fdb39c3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:56:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3263D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I received a book on beading, and my secret Santa gift was a beautiful bookmark from Rebecca Schmitt. It is done in meticulous blackwork and is too pretty to use (but I will probably use it carefully - maybe in QEW Unlocked). Most of my gifts were more cat than costume oriented. Oh well, most of my friends and family know I love cats and they don't know much about costuming. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 21:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2Fo5V020238 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2FgG1006411; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT2FCWb051279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2F80J021628; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2F5nU021588 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.106.34.135]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c60c1d$ac81a400$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051228213348.62978.qmail@web42407.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B346CE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am embarrassed to say that I threw the box away before I had a chance to copy the name off it. I think she was from Oregon or Washington. It was a great fur shrug like they have in all the stores now. The ribbon was a chartreuse color. I just love it. If you recognize yourself, please email me and thank you for your lovely gift. Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 21:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2UtOK020432 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:30:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2UmK1012076; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:30:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT2P09B052953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2OxvC028017; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2OuBV027982 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ooSYKDHpABbT9p+rWtTzl9SbVM6G0LlWhxLgsZ+JIpGiFel8hXUlOb20ZGOF9upC; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErnTL-0004sU-2s for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <016001c60c1f$19d1fef0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051228213348.62978.qmail@web42407.mail.yahoo.com> <005501c60c1d$ac81a400$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:25:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48fed4669fbe8ec3e7bd17c467715f4fca773bb16c9ad91485350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:30:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B34A58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My secret Santa was Catherine Kinsey, who made the most wonderful needlebook out of handdyed linen, with a mermaid embroidered in silk floss. As if that wasn't enough, she enclosed a brass pin dating from the late 1600's. Since I do a LOT of handsewing, I've already put both items to use, and am the envy of my sewing friends. The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've used them both already and they really do make handsewing easier. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 21:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2jFeS020719 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT2j74G017407; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT2dbut054290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2dZ6Z035497; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT2dRre035425 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05940 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:04 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: <016001c60c1f$19d1fef0$0400a8c0@boris> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B34DB3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction > sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to > my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've > used them both already and they really do make handsewing easier. What is a sewing bird? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3MsET021356 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:22:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3MkZD030284; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3Lquc059697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3LllO056139; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3LhrO056076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EroLq-0003lO-CY; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:14 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:14 -0600 Message-ID: <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:14 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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IL got two dress forms -- a nifty one for my sewing table from SaraGrace (thanks!), and a Uniquely You for *me* from eBay. and books -- embroidery books, mostly. :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:28:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3SYBO021642 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3SQME032251; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3S8bY060657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3S7EY059322; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3S4k5059291 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NafbToJ3jcQ4nehFyG/Zym6eAJLHukBb1O49WS4L5Dryj/7jK0WH3HFkFsn/5Xf+; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EroSR-0006mj-8L for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: <017101c60c27$ec07cd70$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:28:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48fed4669fbe8ec3e755318211a4752aa3f83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:28:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B357DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > What is a sewing bird? > > --Robin It's a clamp that fastens onto a table or counter, with a bird shaped clamp on top of that. The bird holds the edge of the fabric in its beak (clamp), acting as a third hand. It makes handsewing much easier and faster, especially things like hemming. This is what I have, one in brass, one in silver. http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/n_sewingbird.html#LV10 Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3c6Rw021866 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:38:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3bwa0002725; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:38:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3bXEq062012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3bVsh063476; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3bSXB063446 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Mpb3cNmJwlMmhEFz2fKB3jUuapIHT0v6AFhBb9ctMseb2gBNBg9koTSjGR153Qyp; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.120] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErobW-0003qN-7B for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <011101c60c29$2eae5fd0$783c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:37:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b573f40f7a5cd03f3d487eb20f39a1f73350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.120 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Was gifts, now sewing birds X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:38:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B35A16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin wrote: > What is a sewing bird? > They're also known as sewing clamps or "third hands". They go back at least as far as the 18th c. in the west and also turn up in traditional Japanese sewing. It's a clamp which is attached to a stationery object, like a table. The clamp holds one end of your sewing, while you hold the other end taut with your non-stitching hand. You get some tension control and it speeds up the hand-sewing. There are some incredibly fanciful antique ones out there, a lot of which look like birds- hence the name, I guess. I have a couple of modern ones made by Clover- they came from Clotilde. http://www.clotilde.com/cl/product_group.asp?listtype=search&searchterm=third+hand&dept_name=Search+Result%3A+third+hand&g_id=146919 I that URL doesn't work for you, just go to Clotilde and look up "third hand". -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:47:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3lpRd022037 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3lhI4005756; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3lRJ4063610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3lQQS068868; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3lOba068828 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so1045508nzf for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=VPxzfRyDUkr0gNhgmVnpp2dpbFHj6ObscjekHJLVTKAMkZ47l2VCqBnaIbx06Upme2aNjqNvrf7mYJe6tbzLzCiMK5iBK8ZbBulETk6r4PN5J5nE5JWU/c8hDgI08DbEhP6S9bzvNr2zpKzFKXlFl5vaTDa4QzB+jWXOZzlG+OA= Received: by 10.64.84.12 with SMTP id h12mr744125qbb; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a29sm3773263qbd.2005.12.28.19.47.23; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:47:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ae01c60c2a$94dfea20$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B35C5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? I got Nora Waugh's Cut of Men's Clothes! Yay! But that's all for costume-related stuff. Non-costume, I got A Series of Unfortunate Events tomes 4-5-6, the whole Narnya series, a couple of DVDs, Japanese tea cups and chopsticks, and cooking books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 22:52:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3q4et022102 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:52:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT3puTc006915; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT3pK5F064159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3pK9p071008; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT3pF8F070961 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06319 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:18:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:18:54 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: <017101c60c27$ec07cd70$0400a8c0@boris> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:51:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B35D5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > What is a sewing bird? > > It's a clamp that fastens onto a table or counter, with a bird shaped clamp > on top of that. The bird holds the edge of the fabric in its beak (clamp), > acting as a third hand. It makes handsewing much easier and faster, > especially things like hemming. Oh, that sounds so useful! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 28 23:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT4IoqN023089 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:18:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT4IgTa014570; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT4FkIV067552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT4Fh4v084146; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT4Fcrf084077 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m47.in-tch.com [216.166.191.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBT47db06484 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008501c60c2f$79714360$2fbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:22:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:18:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B363A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It's a fancy clamp-thingy, that functions almost as a third hand, to help you with some sorts of handsewing tasks, when a third hand would be really handy (no pun intended, truly...just feeling the lack of a good vocabulary tonight). I don't own one, but I've seen them in the occasional catalogue over the years. I *think* they're Victorian in origin. --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts > > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > > The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction > > sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to > > my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've > > used them both already and they really do make handsewing easier. > > What is a sewing bird? > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 04:25:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT9Ppit028824 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBT9PhvB004973; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT9PIg5011738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT9PDCm026879; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBT9P8WY026812 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBT9P5KI009300 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:05 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.70.157] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-70-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.70.157]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBT9T9WH018689 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051229011645.03a3ae80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:19:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was gifts, now sewing birds In-Reply-To: <011101c60c29$2eae5fd0$783c9b04@HELENPINTO> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3AB97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>What is a sewing bird? > >They're also known as sewing clamps or "third hands". They go back at >least as far as the 18th c. in the west and also turn up in traditional >Japanese sewing. Sailors, or at least the sail-repairers on sailing ships, used a hook to hold the work taut. These have a length of twine at the non-hook end, so they can be tied to something. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 05:26:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAQo8L010650 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:26:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAQgdF026657; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTAQEHN023353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAQ8Zh059014; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42409.mail.yahoo.com (web42409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBTAQ6hu058935 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19022 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2005 10:26:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jnJF9QezmzxxAGSK6usfZfyzECvY+BLv/NVDjXE4eOzc4bVdm/wxQwbULuLR0y/4ooQ1IXQgG/nUTm1b1N1NfhO8sdiH0vVVZOv4sFVLShkHL6vUOAO4DtjJVBrbQPe4N1bQjCyFKZOsGV6/i0HULUVRfGVX0UKI1A/p0rwF6/w= ; Message-ID: <20051229102601.19020.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.116.67] by web42409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:01 PST Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:26:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3B9E2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! I would like to make a flamenco dress for my 3 and half year old daughter, sort of a mini version of the Folkwear pattern I have seen on their site - with a small split at the front and a tiny train. I doubt whether anyone produces anything like this that small, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions of a pattern I could easily adapt (I need something to ease me back into sewing, as I have had to put all my sewing stuff away to make room for the Christmas tree, so I haven't done anything for a few weeks!). Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 05:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAW5ue012456 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:32:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAVvqS028640; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:32:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTAVUku023878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAVSCm061940; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAVMvc061900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-141-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.141]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jBTAVKHS005879 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:31:21 +1100 Message-ID: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:31:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th century polonaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3BB1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Merry Christmas and Happy New year to everyone, A freind of mine has just gotten engaged (3 days ago) and has decided she wants to base her wedding gown on an 18th century Robe à l' Anglaise (I think her main source of inspiration is Pirates of the Carribean) she doesn't really want an authentic reproduction but she asked me to recommend some books to help her work out how to do it. So far I've suggested Jean Hunnisett's _Period_Costume_for_Stage_&_Screen_1500-1800_ Janet Arnold's _Patterns_of_Fashion_1_ (1660-1860) As I've used both of these books in the past (although not for this era) but is there another source you would recommend, keeping in mind that she doesn't really want an authentic reproduction and her sewing skills are still fairly basic (I can't help her hands on as she lives in another city but she's got SCA friends there who can help her if her skills aren't up to it). Pattern suggestions are also welcome, I don't know how authentic she wants this dress to be but I'd like to show her that there is an alternative to the butterick patterns with princess seams. Also is there a good collection of images from this period other than www.marquise.de ? I haven't got around to making anything 18th century (yet) so my research on that era has barely advanced past skimming over that section of Patterns of Fashion on my way to another era. thanks Elizabeth P.S. on the topic of holliday gifts, I got Henry V (the version with Kenneth Branagh) and Sense and Sensibility (the version with Emma Thompson) on DVD but nothing specifically for costume making. -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 05:53:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAqwu9017253 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:52:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTAqo6q004419; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:52:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTAqSE6026726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAqPC2072983; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTAqJea072883 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-104.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.104]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2005 18:52:13 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43B3C184.2070607@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:16 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th century polonaise References: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:52:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3C002.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you want to drop around, I've got quite a few books on 18C costumes with patterns - have a look and you might then be able to recommend some to your friend - I've got Fitting and Proper and Costume in Detail and more but forgotten their names. As for patterns, I like Millfarm patterns, have used Period Impressions and others. Can show you them as well. And- you can see the fabric I've finally chosen for my elizabethan - but I may start making that tonight. Itchy fingers - just been swimming at Casuarina Sands and feel nice and fresh after today's heat. Cheers, Aylwen Garden Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Merry Christmas and Happy New year to everyone, > A freind of mine has just gotten engaged (3 days ago) and has decided > she wants to base her wedding gown on an 18th century Robe à l' > Anglaise (I think her main source of inspiration is Pirates of the > Carribean) she doesn't really want an authentic reproduction but she > asked me to recommend some books to help her work out how to do it. So > far I've suggested Jean Hunnisett's > _Period_Costume_for_Stage_&_Screen_1500-1800_ Janet Arnold's > _Patterns_of_Fashion_1_ (1660-1860) As I've used both of these books > in the past (although not for this era) but is there another source > you would recommend, keeping in mind that she doesn't really want an > authentic reproduction and her sewing skills are still fairly basic (I > can't help her hands on as she lives in another city but she's got SCA > friends there who can help her if her skills aren't up to it). Pattern > suggestions are also welcome, I don't know how authentic she wants > this dress to be but I'd like to show her that there is an > alternative to the butterick patterns with princess seams. Also is > there a good collection of images from this period other than > www.marquise.de ? I haven't got around to making anything 18th century > (yet) so my research on that era has barely advanced past skimming > over that section of Patterns of Fashion on my way to another era. > thanks > Elizabeth > P.S. on the topic of holliday gifts, I got Henry V (the version with > Kenneth Branagh) and Sense and Sensibility (the version with Emma > Thompson) on DVD but nothing specifically for costume making. > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 08:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTD2vI4002832 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:03:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTD2nYc019816; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTD295a050201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTD22le036560; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTD1wIh036497 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5587.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.135]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AEFC2262814 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:01:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c60c78$0f215790$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001f01c60c63$07b1db70$8df1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th centurypolonaise Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:01:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:02:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3DE79.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Elizabeth. I have some few pictures uploaded on how i made a robe anglaise last year. It was made for a masquerade, so dont mind the vivid colour. The base of this pattern is original anglaise dress. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] book recommendations for beginner making an 18th centurypolonaise > Merry Christmas and Happy New year to everyone, > A freind of mine has just gotten engaged (3 days ago) and has decided she > wants to base her wedding gown on an 18th century Robe à l' Anglaise (I > think her main source of inspiration is Pirates of the Carribean) she > doesn't really want an authentic reproduction but she asked me to > recommend some books to help her work out how to do it. So far I've > suggested Jean Hunnisett's _Period_Costume_for_Stage_&_Screen_1500-1800_ > Janet Arnold's _Patterns_of_Fashion_1_ (1660-1860) As I've used both of > these books in the past (although not for this era) but is there another > source you would recommend, keeping in mind that she doesn't really want > an authentic reproduction and her sewing skills are still fairly basic (I > can't help her hands on as she lives in another city but she's got SCA > friends there who can help her if her skills aren't up to it). Pattern > suggestions are also welcome, I don't know how authentic she wants this > dress to be but I'd like to show her that there is an alternative to the > butterick patterns with princess seams. Also is there a good collection of > images from this period other than www.marquise.de ? I haven't got around > to making anything 18th century (yet) so my research on that era has > barely advanced past skimming over that section of Patterns of Fashion on > my way to another era. > thanks > Elizabeth > P.S. on the topic of holliday gifts, I got Henry V (the version with > Kenneth Branagh) and Sense and Sensibility (the version with Emma > Thompson) on DVD but nothing specifically for costume making. > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 09:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTE7K44004063 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:07:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTE7C6Y011498; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTE6Xv8057458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTE6UlC071817; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTE6QPa071771 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5587.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.135]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E01F7262816 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c60c81$09fa9750$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:07:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B3ED90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Today i received my gift from Tara Broadway. A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. and also a Blanket Capote Pattern. The shirt book has lots of gorgeous patterns, this came in right after my heart. Thankyou soo much Tara for the wonderfull gifts. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 12:33:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHXFSp007020 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHX75V027390; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTHWMkg086511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHWHAP020571; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTDMq4h046969 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F02D34F62 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:22:51 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:22:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051229102601.19020.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B41DD3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! folkwear pattern #140? http://birchstreet-folkwear.com/fw_140.gif Dress styles to get a rough idea https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/shop.php?&op_shop=shop&id_cat=12 http://www.onstagedancewear.com/allproducts.asp?svl=Ad&category=flamenco -----Original Message----- Hi! I would like to make a flamenco dress for my 3 and half year old daughter, sort of a mini version of the Folkwear pattern I have seen on their site - with a small split at the front and a tiny train. I doubt whether anyone produces anything like this that small, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions of a pattern I could easily adapt (I need something to ease me back into sewing, as I have had to put all my sewing stuff away to make room for the Christmas tree, so I haven't done anything for a few weeks!). Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 12:55:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHtOKa007398 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:55:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHtGn1003968; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTHsZMS089866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHsXFx038179; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHsTCl038068 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.158.5e688b82 (18403) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:54:17 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <158.5e688b82.30e57cc9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:54:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:55:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B42304.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 12/29/2005 12:38:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Look at Simplicity 4445--it may be too costume-y for what you want, but maybe you can use it as a starting point. I think true flamenco costumes are modified sheath dresses with the ruffles and train added, and I don't think there is a little girl's sheath dress pattern to be had, or you could start there. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 12:57:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHvLhs007428 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:57:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTHvDRw003923; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:57:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTHumTt090238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHukwl039988; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTHugm4039860 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.201.fad4cd1 (18403) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <201.fad4cd1.30e57d53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:56:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. 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In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:09:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. This is a great book! I understand the author, Bill Brown, is working on men's coats now. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 13:17:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIHHd8007728 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIH9Le014608; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTIGdH8093150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIGXUe055941; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIGJUd055688 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.7]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051229181613.XCZH8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:13 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051229121320.029fa230@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:11 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tudor costuming book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B42825.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thought that I'd pass this new book along: http://www.tudortailor.com/sales.htm Usual disclaimer: Don't know the people and have never done business with them. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 13:24:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIOxOE007859 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:24:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIOp0q017304; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTIORfP094472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIONHU061911; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIOI58061825 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:24:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43B429D1.5010401@msn.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:24:17 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 18:24:13.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[11E4C3E0:01C60CA5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:24:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B429F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The dress form is actully a pincusion and the rest, a sewing caddy...didn't know if you realized that. The soft sculpted jester head comes off the spool holder, the beaded chain is for clipping a pair of small scissors to, the glass & wire cup (actually a votive candle holder) is to hold small items like hooks & eyes, buttons etc, and the little wooden cup holds "Thread Heaven" to condition your thread. I use mine alot when spending that wonderful "quality" time with my husband in front of the boob tube. He watches, I sew! Sg Susan B. Farmer wrote: > IL got two dress forms -- a nifty one for my sewing table from SaraGrace > (thanks!), and a Uniquely You for *me* from eBay. and books -- > embroidery books, mostly. :-) > > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 13:48:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIm7GT008253 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:48:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTIlxmj025220; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:48:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTIgMKn097133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIgDPp075615; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smapp00.siteprotect.com (smapp00.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTIg7IT075540 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from smapp00.csee.chicago.hostway (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smapp00.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968C22E8014 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:06 -0600 (CST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:06 -0600 X-Uidl: 201.fad4cd1.30e57d53@aol.com X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-Id: <20051229184206.968C22E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBTIg7IT075540 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:48:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B42F5F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I believe the title of Bill's next book is "Thoughts on Men's Vests". However, he will be speaking on men's coats c.1800-1870 at the Conference in 2006. Further details may be found in the link in the signature line. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 On Thu Dec 29 12:56 , AnnBWass@aol.com sent: > >A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. > > >This is a great book! I understand the author, Bill Brown, is working on >men's coats now. > >Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 14:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJIKWb008733 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:18:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJICBh004226; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTJHqCC002356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJHmKd002997; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJHiWK002836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id jBTJHav17620 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 29 Dec 2005 13:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:36 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:17:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B43674.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My secret Santa was Catherine Kinsey, who made the most wonderful needlebook out of handdyed linen, with a mermaid embroidered in silk floss. As if that wasn't enough, she enclosed a brass pin dating from the late 1600's. Since I do a LOT of handsewing, I've already put both items to use, and am the envy of my sewing friends. Melusine ========================= Glad you liked it, the mermaid was fun to do :). I received a set of reproduction stitching tools from DH for Christmas. I finally decided I wanted all the little toys to play with in my stitching box :). Subscriptions to Piecework and Sample & Antigue Needlework were also renewed. And it looks like the cash from the in-laws may be going to that new Tudor Tailor book........ Happy Holidays to everyone and Best Wishes for the New Year! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 14:47:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJlZiL009121 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:47:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJlSVa015845; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:47:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTJl8Cd006457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJl08S025100; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJkubH024950 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:46:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7063194B8 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:48 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:47:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B43D50.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. You may use them for peronal use. If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. I'll try to answer them as best I can. Endjoy looking! http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 14:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJphsn009185 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTJpZ8x017423; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTJpEPG007061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJpBFC028057; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTJp5ul027938 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9738EBE664 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:50:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:51:00 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another mysterious gift giver References: <001301c60970$6f825f40$ba159b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <001301c60970$6f825f40$ba159b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229195058.9738EBE664@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B43E47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am glad you like them! Greetings, Deredere Helen Pinto wrote: > All I know about my partner is that the package originated in the > Netherlands, so I'll just have to thank you here for the nice beads > and pendants, and wish you all the best for the holidays. > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 15:10:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKAi2J009484 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:10:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKAbiS024406; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTK51m0009085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTK4uW7037931; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTK4q5e037805 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8231946A for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:04:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:04:48 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229200446.A2C8231946A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:10:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B442BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got The Cut of womens clothing and The Cut of man's clothing by Nora Waugh from my husband. A nice book from a special exebithion Rijk Gekleed (well dressed) and visited it (the pictures are from there) From my mother in law a dremel (small hand drill machine) perfect for making moulds for casting or jewelry. And some more power tools. Not really for making historical costumes but perfect for a centour costume I still would like to make... Bought myself very nice batist for a regency dress. Made myself a beautifull coat. I can wear it over a bustle dress but I like to wear it also as my "normal" winter coat. I'll have to make pictures of it. It is black wool so it is a bit difficult to make pictures of. But it is probably going to snow some more tomorrow :-) . And From my secret Santa I've got a nice piece of old lace and a handmade bowl from fabric and thread. Thank you Pamela! And my bunny got a x-mas hat and scarf and a very little stuffed Icebear ;-) Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 15:38:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKcAMS009838 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTKc3hA001851; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTKbcJM014320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTKbXgr062823; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTKbT5F062720 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55a8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.168]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 41F885EE064 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c60cb7$b49267c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4492B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Deredere, You almost make me cry! One of these dresses has ben something i have dreamed of must excist, and now i know it excists. Oh boy, and i have ....well actually i desided to stop making costumes, but when i se this dress, i dont know! This was the best gift i got this christmass, thanks a lot! By the way wich museum was this? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all > Hi, > > I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. > Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. > You may use them for peronal use. > If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. > I'll try to answer them as best I can. > > Endjoy looking! > > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLCa6N010464 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:12:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLCSTw013546; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLBffg018984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLBZxs087149; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBTLBUPi087029 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 169 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 21:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 21:11:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051229211041.01da6800@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:11:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all In-Reply-To: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4513C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 19:46 29/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. >Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. >You may use them for peronal use. >If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. >I'll try to answer them as best I can. > >Endjoy looking! > >http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Thank you so much for a lovely gift. I shall enjoy looking more thoroughly later. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:42:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLgjAP011003 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLgbcL023488; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLeuQF023387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLerdM008655; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLeneD008608 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 50D3E35043 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:40:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Girls Flamenco Dress Pattern Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:40:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20051229102601.19020.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4584D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Simplicity 4721 You could adapt this pattern. Butterick 4385 Add gores? B3920 Could use to figure out the ruffles M4907 Lengthen the skirt and add ruffles. -----Original Message----- Hi! I would like to make a flamenco dress for my 3 and half year old daughter, sort of a mini version of the Folkwear pattern I have seen on their site - with a small split at the front and a tiny train. I doubt whether anyone produces anything like this that small, but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions of a pattern I could easily adapt (I need something to ease me back into sewing, as I have had to put all my sewing stuff away to make room for the Christmas tree, so I haven't done anything for a few weeks!). Do any of the big pattern companies do any thing? Any help much appreciated! Best Wishes Jayne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:51:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLpqsk011112 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:51:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLpjEs026287; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:51:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLpGvr024951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLpDe8016768; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLp9C5016705 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1602673wri for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:51:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tONPxYApX32ej4yZCIwcr4JU3DSJMEhkJdmcasydzMrOpd7SjKA0tej30I6J87SDkaX9NXk+k8MJJkxbsAf+1832B6DbL7CyIrp7VkVcTTHZwBwhtOXhPsxJ201eaUK+6LsP0346aIssLwRACSnW9znoPtgawJjNxf+KUa3m2RU= Received: by 10.65.116.6 with SMTP id t6mr1502354qbm; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e18sm3643123qba.2005.12.29.13.51.04; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:51:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:49:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:51:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B45A71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" > I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. > Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. > You may use them for peronal use. > If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. > I'll try to answer them as best I can. > > Endjoy looking! > > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Great but... uh... where were they taken? It would help me at least to be able to name the folder correctly :-) They're amazing, by the way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 16:55:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLthUS011151 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTLtZfR027429; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTLtKAX025523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLtI3d019548; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTLtFuQ019460 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BAB404E2 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb22.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.43aa5261.4050b for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDtFs9Pcl42wIAAAAB,7e0fdf111e2d60cb57e7e1d2fc2127b4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20051229135509.5155D5A9@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B45B58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Great pictures. Where is this museum? Wish it was close to me. Thanks for sharing. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Deredere Galbraith wrote: From: Deredere Galbraith Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all Hi, I have made some pictures in a museum a lot of you will probably like. Since they are taking a lot of space I will keep them up for only a week. You may use them for peronal use. If you want some information about a picture feel free to ask. I'll try to answer them as best I can. Endjoy looking! http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 17:53:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTMr9AN012082 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTMr0lR014125; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTMqRFv033635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTMqNPT059415; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTMqK0N059325 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E663CBE7AE for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:52:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:52:16 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> In-Reply-To: <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229225214.E663CBE7AE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:53:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B468CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is a small museum in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It is in a 17th century canalside house on the Gentelmans Canal. It is a special exebithion that runs to the 22 of January. The Willet-Holthuysen museum is part of the Amsterdam Historical Museum. The book from the exebition is called " Rijk Gekleed, van doopjurk tot baljapon 1750-1940" by Annemarie Dekker ISBN 90 68683985 it is in Dutch. Publisher http://www.thoth.nl/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 18:01:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTN1ij1012212 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTN1aTY016726; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTN19pE035536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:01:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTN16ga066418; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTN13Gm066243 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B239FBE7D4 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:00:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:00:58 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A holiday gift for you all References: <20051229194647.DE7063194B8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <008501c60cc1$f93fb080$0302a8c0@p4audrey> <20051229225214.E663CBE7AE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051229225214.E663CBE7AE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051229230057.B239FBE7D4@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B46AD0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The url for the site is http://www.willetholthuysen.nl/tentoonstelling.php?id=8 Deredere Galbraith wrote: > It is a small museum in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It is in a 17th century > canalside house on the Gentelmans Canal. > It is a special exebithion that runs to the 22 of January. The > Willet-Holthuysen museum is part of the Amsterdam Historical Museum. > The book from the exebition is called " Rijk Gekleed, van doopjurk tot > baljapon 1750-1940" by Annemarie Dekker > ISBN 90 68683985 it is in Dutch. Publisher http://www.thoth.nl/. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 18:42:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTNgnSc012755 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:42:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBTNgftL030777; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBTNgM3O040978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTNgGe8094961; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBTNgDfb094923 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 860476904 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:42:12 -0600 Message-ID: <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net><20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:42:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dress form / sewing caddy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:42:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B47471.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > The dress form is actully a pincusion and the rest, a sewing > caddy...didn't know if you realized that. The soft sculpted jester head > comes off the spool holder, the beaded chain is for clipping a pair of > small scissors to, the glass & wire cup (actually a votive candle holder) > is to hold small items like hooks & eyes, buttons etc, and the little > wooden cup holds "Thread Heaven" to condition your thread. I Do you have a photo on-line somewhere? I'd be very interested in making something like this. Thanks Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 20:21:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1LZ4W014220 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1LRZj029502; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU1KjxY051957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1Kgo5053225; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1KZOx053187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBU1BffN031724 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:11:41 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:11:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B48B61.5010600@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:20:33 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More costume notes 1662 Pepys X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B48B97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Today's episode: After they were come in, I went down and got through the croude almost as high as the King and the Embassadors, where I saw all the presents, being rich furs, hawks, carpets, cloths of tissue, and sea-horse teeth. The King took two or three hawks upon his fist, having a glove on, wrought with gold, given him for the purpose. The son of one of the Embassadors was in the richest suit for pearl and tissue, that ever I did see, or shall, I believe. And later: ... being in great pain that my wife hath never a winter gown, being almost ashamed of it, that she should be seen in a taffeta one; when all the world wears moyre (mohair); so to prayers and to bed, but we could not come to any resolution what to do therein, other than to appear as she is. More at: http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1662/12/29/ The notes there have another account of the same ambassadors: John Evelyn’s Diary “To Lond: Saw the Audience of the Moscovy Ambassador, which was with extraordinary state: for his retinue being numerous, all clad in vests of several Colours, & with buskins after the Eastern manner: Their Caps of furr, & Tunicks richly embrodrd with gold & pearle, made a glorious shew: The King being sate under the Canopie in the banqueting house, before the Ambassador went in a grave march the Secretary of the Embassy, holding up his Masters letter of Credence in a crimson-taffaty scarfe before his forehead: The Ambassador then deliverd it, with a profound reverence to the King, the King to our Secretary of State; it was written in a long & lofty style: Then came in the present borne by 165 of his retinue, consisting Mantles & other large pieces lined with Sable, Black fox, Ermine, Persian Carpets, the ground cloth of Gold and Velvet, Sea-morce teeth aboundance, Haukes, such as they sayd never came the like: Horses, said to be Persian, Bowes & Arrows &c: which borne by so long a traine rendred it very extraordinary: Wind musick playing all the while in the Galleries above: This finish’d & the Ambassador conveyed by the Master of Ceremonies to York house, he was treated with a banquet, that cost 200 pounds, as I was assured, &c:..” ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/humanities/John_Evelyn/#Evelyn -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 20:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1eXhn014479 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU1eQGD003260; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU1dvSc053785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1dtgO062366; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU1dqud062303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Es9Ex-0006nE-8j; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:39:31 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:39:31 -0600 Message-ID: <20051229193931.qh1nmwzo5ps04wkw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:39:31 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4900A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting WickedFrau : > The dress form is actully a pincusion and the rest, a sewing > caddy...didn't know if you realized that. The soft sculpted jester > head comes off the spool holder, the beaded chain is for clipping a > pair of small scissors to, the glass & wire cup (actually a votive > candle holder) is to hold small items like hooks & eyes, buttons etc, > and the little wooden cup holds "Thread Heaven" to condition your > thread. I use mine alot when spending that wonderful "quality" time > with my husband in front of the boob tube. He watches, I sew! I wasn't sure about the stuff in the little wooden "flower pot/thimble" thingie. Everything else, looks like I was right on. I've never used that kind of thread. How is it to work with? I have it in my brain that it's primarily for machine embroidery -- is this truth? I don't know if SaraGrace has a photo, I'll see if I can get a picture taken and posted. I think it's *nifty* Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 21:22:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2MoFh014995 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2Mhse016217; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU2MC37058047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2M9ot082604; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2M5Ya082540 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISA003I4H8O2W00@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.41] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.25]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:00 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B499F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! wwwaaaaaaaahhhhooooooooo!!!!!! My package arrived today... All I can say is WOW!!! Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! I am already planning what to make out of the fuscia (lined - cause I'm alergic to wool), and I'm already a 1/4 of the way through the book. The book is even more meaningfull because it is written by someone with the same last name as my parents (Maeder). This seems to be an unusual spelling of a Germanic name and I have seen very few people with that particular spelling. Hmmm now I am wondering where I can get fuscia linen to make something for an event on Jan 14th.... Katheryne who is wondering if my secret santa in CA opened her box yet..... I forgot to make notice that it was from h-costume...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 21:34:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2XxJu015155 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2XqRb019361; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU2XSjJ059495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2XQuF088504; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2XNQw088465 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16928 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:01:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:01:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:33:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B49C90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! Who was your generous giver? (Still waiting for my recipient to check in...) > Hmmm now I am wondering where I can get fuscia linen to make something > for an event on Jan 14th.... I have loads, leftover from the infamous Fuchsia Linen Stampede of a few years back. If you can't find something, e-mail me and we'll work something out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 21:37:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2bh26015265 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU2bZdK020235; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU2b614059957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2b58r090474; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU2b29N090413 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISA00AWVHXLBLO8@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.41] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.25]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:36:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:36:57 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:37:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B49D6F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! uummm sorry..... rummage....... rummage....... now where is that box?? AH!! Agnes G. from Seattle WA Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > > Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! > > Who was your generous giver? > > (Still waiting for my recipient to check in...) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 22:46:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU3ktOA016192 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU3kkHq006180; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:46:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU3kFsa068477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU3kBXF025902; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.209]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBU3k8r2025845 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 4163 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 03:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 03:46:01 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229213527.01d37fd8@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:39:43 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:46:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4ADA6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi all, I got an awesome assortment of Eterna Silks. A very appreciated gift since I have decided I can't stand the way cheep cotton floss lays when embroidered. Sorry, the name was on the wrapping paper and my hubby threw it all away before I could write it down. Thanks, though Genie (My person still hasn't checked in either, Robin :) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 29 23:59:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU4xilD017678 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:59:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU4xas0023911; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:59:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU4x9O6076747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU4x6bm062590; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52114.mail.yahoo.com (web52114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBU4x4Up062533 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 65069 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 04:58:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dJRlm/cinOBNHktwqeDaroABW0C/qE1SMq8nJ7T+nUFrIcoAWO4TDG8ZoD8Af7AGjPFkv/9WOfqRlU1/WrDhOb23cGQBbrX3a3YIDMnWFgi7EkYfBg/V4pwLir5ndRubO+stfMwoJg27NDFbmlsz81PR2JrfDeI+lVIW4gMCKlg= ; Message-ID: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:58:59 EST Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:59:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4BEB8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have any clues? http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 00:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU5KKnx018015 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:20:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU5KCnS029203; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU5JsI2078843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU5JqA1072669; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU5Jm6e072582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsCfo-0005dn-48; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:28 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:28 -0600 Message-ID: <20051229231928.8hjy3tn4urfk0cgc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:28 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Quoting Kathy Page : > I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that > given the language the citation I can't read below the > painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with > this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the > painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in > vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have > any clues? > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me about the book? I've looked at enough Italian paintings to be able to pigeon out the title and stuff. "Attributed A. Jean Bahuet -- Portrait of lady of the court of Isabella -- dated ? before ? 1540 -- Palazzo Ducale, Mantova (Ducal Palace, Mantova). I can't wait to see if you can track down a color copy! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 03:17:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU8HsRg007438 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:17:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBU8HkBq007323; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBU8H0bD004218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU8GrYC051254; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBU8GnSS051226 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19181 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:44:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:44:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:17:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B4ED2A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kathy Page wrote: > I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the > language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. > *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely > anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of the painting > in vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have any clues? > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the portrait; the face seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. I can't tell from the online version whether it is an engraving, but that should be obvious from the book itself. At worst it is a forgery, but that is less likely than the alternatives. At best it is indeed c. 1540, and just an unusual style for the time. A citation for the book you found this in, with year, might be useful. I can't find Jean Bahuet in my dictionary of artists, nor on a websearch, save in 18th and 19th c. geneaologies, which might of course be referring to some other Jean Bahuet(s). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 05:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUASZlt003900 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:28:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUASRrD012304; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUARtDb018843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUARq6X005881; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUARk0I005819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBUAIqfN002325 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:18:52 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:18:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B50BA0.8070003@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:27:44 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Robin Netherton wrote: > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the portrait; the face > seems Victorian. That was my first thought, due to the face, but the rest of it seems less so. > It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. That would be my guess -- a tantalizing lead for the real painting. What marvelous sleeves! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Mindless entertainment is the handmaiden of fascism. -- Mo/Alison Bechdel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 07:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUC3qqs024213 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:03:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUC3ixw009201; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUC3CJb028367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUC35N9047119; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUC31RR047018 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:03:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.248.482d762 (3310) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:02:51 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <248.482d762.30e67beb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:02:51 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. 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In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:45:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cschmitt@genteelarts.com writes: However, he will be speaking on men's coats c.1800-1870 at the Conference in 2006. Further details may be found in the link in the signature line. Thanks, Carolann--that's where I read about the coats, of course! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:01:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD1s17025211 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD1jdR028249; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUD079Y040368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD03kh077249; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUCxxDE077172 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DDE9136073 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:59:58 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:00:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B52FB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! -----Original Message----- > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg <<>>>>> *** Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many of his paintings are in a private collection in Mantua. http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/march_04/gallery_center.htm l "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes in the exhibition." De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:09:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD9Ci4025282 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:09:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUD94fJ030906; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:09:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUD8c6I046027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD8adT082444; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f10.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD8WdV082411 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauradi7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:08:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:08:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.163.105.146] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lauradi7@hotmail.com From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:08:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 13:08:31.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[2217B720:01C60D42] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] "Casanova" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B53171.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I saw it, and liked it as eye candy. It's not a time or place (1753, Venice) that I know much about, but superficially the costumes seem OK (and pretty). I was curious to hear opinions about accuracy. Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:11:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDBhrh025329 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:11:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDBahv031759; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:11:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUD9NjL046486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD9NmD082919; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from 223.148.127.216.safepages.com (223.148.127.216.safepages.com [216.127.148.223] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUD9KD1082886 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by 223.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 6E6AC9076F; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.32.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.32]) by 223.148.127.216.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D3E99062E for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:09:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <009b01c60d42$3ead3860$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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I don't know how much this will help, but here's the museum mentioned in the caption as its home: http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm I couldn't find any info about it on their English site (couldn't get the Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try emailing/writing them. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDK8Wo025484 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:20:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDK0Mi002247; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:20:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDJYDR052955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDJX99089475; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav13.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDJUp5089439 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:19:29 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:19:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> <20051229231928.8hjy3tn4urfk0cgc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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To: Kathy, The artist is also knows as Giovanni Bahuet, a Renaissance painter. http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/march_04/gallery_center.html I looked for Bahuet and Renaissance painting in a search. The place is the same in the listing and other paintings look similar. I hope this is the same peson. At least I found a really neat site for additional costumes and ideas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that >> given the language the citation I can't read below the >> painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with >> this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the >> painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in >> vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have >> any clues? >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me about the book? > > I've looked at enough Italian paintings to be able to pigeon out the > title and stuff. > > "Attributed A. Jean Bahuet -- Portrait of lady of the court of Isabella > -- dated ? before ? 1540 -- Palazzo Ducale, Mantova (Ducal Palace, > Mantova). I can't wait to see if you can track down a color copy! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:22:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDMDpu025595 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:22:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDM5JY017251; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:22:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDLiXd054412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDLiBn090811; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav7.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDLfPN090777 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:21:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230045859.65067.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> <20051229231928.8hjy3tn4urfk0cgc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Also: http://www.rsa.org/pdfs/RNN-XV-2.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that >> given the language the citation I can't read below the >> painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with >> this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the >> painter, the sitter or the location of the painting in >> vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have >> any clues? >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me about the book? > > I've looked at enough Italian paintings to be able to pigeon out the > title and stuff. > > "Attributed A. Jean Bahuet -- Portrait of lady of the court of Isabella > -- dated ? before ? 1540 -- Palazzo Ducale, Mantova (Ducal Palace, > Mantova). I can't wait to see if you can track down a color copy! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:26:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDQjSS025753 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDQbZ2004729; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDQ22i057454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDQ1vw093419; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51701.mail.yahoo.com (web51701.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUDPxGs093319 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:25:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22133 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 13:25:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I17qlmnojlONd1pMoiaCOZx71PckGGftEamYSItnS61rXFROQyN4d37dsMy0u9DxH0DikkCu+aa91BjxWVrQ7kn1CqnKvzokIrWWg1pl40v2ip8gDC1RAm2WOQA7nFPnKTHpIZXoMq6xCOUOFI+wHCt2pjJg4VtgSMcf3iPkE1U= ; Message-ID: <20051230132553.22131.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:25:52 PST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512300222.jBU2M9BP082611@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Secret Santa and Christmas Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5358D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My Secret Santa, Justin Barrett, sent me a lovely purse made from black silk with beautiful butterflies on it and containing a very useful small pair of scissors. Thank you, Justin! My husband has given up on trying to find which costuming books I want. (Despite the fact that I make a list on Amazon for him.) He gives me books about the period. Last year it was The Structures of Everyday Life by Fernand Braudel and Power and Profit: The Merchant in Medieveal Europe by Peter Spufford, both of which are very interesting. This year I'm looking at moving into Victorian. So he gave me What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew by Daniel Pool, Queen Victoria by Elizabeth Longford, the Victorians by A. N. Wilson, Queen Victoria at Home by Michael De-la-Noy, and Design for Tea: Tea Wares from the Dragon Court to Afternoon Tea by Jane Pettigrew. I think I'm just an excuse to run rampant through the book stores. My daughter gave me a book on Japanese Lolita clothes, with patterns. I'd write down the title, but it's in Japanese. I hope everyone is ready for a new year of costuming. Love, Kay __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 08:32:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDWg0K025832 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUDWZJF007208; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUDWIhe061181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDWHb9097297; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUDWDoq097264 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3CDEF1434A1; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.32.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.32]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CAA14341D for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00b001c60d45$71376c80$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:32:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tristan & Isolde X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:32:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B536F3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Speaking of Casanova, does anyone have any thoughts on the Tristan & Isolde movie coming out soon? Their website doesn't show the costumes any better than the commercials did, or in fact much at all: http://www.tristanandisoldemovie.com/ >From what little I've seen, the costumes strike me as very Pre-Raph, which frankly works pretty well for me. I associate T&I more with the Victorian romantics than with the actual original medieval stories. Am I just weird? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 09:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEbLnd027176 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:37:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEbEa8030121; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUEaqvW072472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEamol032600; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEahVo032444 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:36:38 -0800 Message-ID: <43B545FC.1010106@msn.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:36:44 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress form / sewing caddy References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net><20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2005 14:36:38.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[71318A00:01C60D4E] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:37:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5461A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here is the tiny url: *http://tinyurl.com/dxjmd* and the regular one in case that doesn't work: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=8892003&uid=4238963&members=1 This is like the one I sent Susan except the colors are different...I forgot to take a picture of hers! Doi! I made the pattern up from an old purchased dress form that they now want $24 for! The pattern for the little jester head comes from Julie McCullough's Fisherman pattern (http://dollmakersjourney.com/mccullough.html you'll have to scroll about 2/3s of the way down the page) The most of the rest of it is/are wooden parts from a craft store like Jo Annes, or Michaels. Wooden candlestick, mini flower pot, wood cap, dowels etc. If you would like a copy of the pattern I used I will send it to you - contact me off list. Of course, unfortunately I can't give Julies pattern away....it is worth the money though...I have made several of these fisherman for gifts...they are delightful. I gave away partially used spools of thread on them so folks would understand what the little dowell/jester head was for. Yes, Susan-that is machine embroidery thread...not great to hand sew with, but it looked good with your caddy! :-) Land of Oz wrote: > Do you have a photo on-line somewhere? I'd be very interested in > making something like this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 09:55:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEtYQg027823 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:55:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUEtQC0003924; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:55:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUEtCSG075036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEtAPT044278; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUEt6Pb044206 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.13e.2232820d (3948) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.2232820d.30e6a440@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:54:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tristan & Isolde To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B54A5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:34:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: >From what little I've seen, the costumes strike me as very Pre-Raph, which frankly works pretty well for me. I associate T&I more with the Victorian romantics than with the actual original medieval stories. Am I just weird? ************************ Nah...Of course you associate it with Victorians...because Wagner gets more play than the original...which we had to read in school [did you know there are 3 Isoldes?] The trailer looks like 1000 other trailers. It all looks like they could've just pulled it from "Lord of the Rings", "Kind Arthur" and "Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves" leftovers. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 11:07:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUG7MkC030749 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:07:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUG7EAQ030331; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:07:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUG6gQk084831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:06:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUG6aio091375; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:06:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUG6Wg5091265 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2da.a9614 (16098) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d35 (mblk-d35.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.219]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee243b55afe394; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7DB721CE5B918-444-677C@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200512301335.jBUDYmrc098418@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200512301335.jBUDYmrc098418@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.219 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Christmas presents X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B55B32.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, I think you're a little mixed up. I sent you your gift, but you were supposed to send a gift to someone else. You sent it before I e-mailed you, so I'm sure the correct person got the lovely little purse... sigh.... I got a wonderful Elizabethan hat, though! I think it's called a tall hat with an arched brim. It's made of black velvet, and it may be just the spur I need to finally make myself an upper-class Elizabethan. I also got some gorgeous fabric scraps and some great pictures of my Santa and some costumes she has made. Unfortunately, I'm at work as I write this and the stuff with her name on it is at home, so I've forgotten who it was. I do plan to send her a nice long e-mail of thanks, just as soon as my in-laws go home. :) Tea Rose/Tara Broadway _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 11:33:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUGXdaB032209 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:33:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUGXWxu007520; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:33:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUGWhlQ088340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUGWdAV009564; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUGWW2u009352 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.193.4ed3486c (15877) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d35 (mblk-d35.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.219]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e0543b5610fde; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7DB75B8659608-444-690C@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200512291900.jBTJ0K8v089799@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:11 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200512291900.jBTJ0K8v089799@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.219 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holliday exchange gifts. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:33:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5615C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Figures, I missed the digest with Bjarne's reply to my gift before I sent my last message. Oh well. I'm glad you like the book, Bjarne! I wanted to get you something American, and the local reenactors' shop is mainly American Civil War, which is too late for your period of interest, so that book was the only thing they had that I thought you would like. And I believe the capote pattern is within your period, so if you ever get bored with court dress and want to do a Native American costume, or if you have to dress an eccentric character, you'll have something to start with. If not, at least it's probably something you hadn't seen before. :) Happy Holidays! Tea Rose/Tara Broadway ========================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:13 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] holliday exchange gifts. To: Message-ID: <001601c60c81$09fa9750$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Today i received my gift from Tara Broadway. A wonderfull book: Thoughts on Mens Shirts in America 1750- 1900. and also a Blanket Capote Pattern. The shirt book has lots of gorgeous patterns, this came in right after my heart. Thankyou soo much Tara for the wonderfull gifts. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 12:15:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHFgfC001747 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:15:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHFZkk023706; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUHEulm096901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHEgVd042159; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHETq5041979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsNpW-0002n3-LF; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:14:14 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:14:14 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230111414.h7dj2c6416o08k80@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:14:14 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B56B37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kathy Page wrote: > >> I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the >> language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. >> *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely >> anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of the painting >> in vain hope of finding a colour copy. Does anyone have any clues? >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the portrait; the face > seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. At worst it is a forgery, but that > is less likely than the alternatives. At best it is indeed c. 1540, and > just an unusual style for the time. A citation for the book you found this > in, with year, might be useful. I have to say that I've given up trying to "feel" out paintings. There are more than a few that I've seen that individually "feel" like later works (and I can't call any to mind at the moment, I'm sure that they'll come to me -- ah, this one by Paris Bordone http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BordoneHandkerchief.jpg has a Victorian feel to it, but so do many of his other works) but when taken as a body of work, it's easy to see that it's probably just a stylistic thing. > > I can't find Jean Bahuet in my dictionary of artists, nor on a websearch, > save in 18th and 19th c. geneaologies, which might of course be referring > to some other Jean Bahuet(s). Actually, it's Giovanni Bahuet. He also did this portrait of Vincenzo Gonzaga http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm And according to the program booklet for the "Splendors of the Renaissance: Prncely attire in Italy" exhibit, "the most spectacular is the cronation regalia of the 25-year old Vincenzo, who was invested as Duke of Mantua on 22 Septamber 1587. His sumptuous and extremely costly costume is described in a contemporary chronicle by Federigo Amadei (see p. 14). It is precisely recorded in the official coronation portrait by Giovanni Bahuet, which memorializes the significant event and the clothing worn for it. Knows as "Giovanni Fiamengo pittore," Bauhet was a noted Flemish portratist who was in Vincenzo's service from 1585 to 1597 (Pagani)." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 12:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHrVf2003253 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:53:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUHrNJn004076; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUHr1r5002538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHqsaK069782; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:52:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUHqgv1069582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsOQQ-0005fO-VE; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:52:22 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:52:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230115222.4yrfsls91hc4ksw8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:52:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress form / sewing caddy References: <20051228155605.515264A1@dm21.mta.everyone.net><20051228212114.sah7ykulyfnk0gwc@www.goldsword.com> <074901c60cd1$8a721bb0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57413.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting WickedFrau : > Here is the tiny url: *http://tinyurl.com/dxjmd* > and the regular one in case that doesn't work: > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=8892003&uid=4238963&members=1 > > > This is like the one I sent Susan except the colors are different...I > forgot to take a picture of hers! Doi! Mine is red and black instead of blue/green. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:26:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIQsY9005351 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:26:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIQkp9015068; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:26:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIPV1s007044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIPS57093269; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUIPL9R093095 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 54673 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 18:25:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k3qO43e6Y6tw3rZdicHIXNM71yOPk9Sk/IIdiVNtaULdH2/TYXOmHne/o+IqTXYdBWVHkJwaerhFfXL8TcVzYl7Ug4SO03PsEIYuyeHKPhl+V++z9CDRdtAcMQIZ32YXPRAa1zyZNwFeLbuRXlul4GdAq8PsoLz5vgf9ka2vtO0= ; Message-ID: <20051230182503.54663.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:25:03 EST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512301334.jBUDYmra098418@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:26:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57BE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Susan wrote: > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me > about the book? Storia del costume in Italia by Rosita Levi Pisetzky. Volume 3 or 4, IIRC. Milano : Istituto editoriale italiano, 1964-1969 I can't wait to see if you can track down > a color copy! Me too! It would help clarify an awful lot. Robin wrote: > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the > portrait; the face > seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps > if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended > to show the painting. It *is* attributed, so it may be possible. I don't think it an engraving though. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is > an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. It looks pretty much the same. The paper is typical glossy print. None of the other paintings in this tome are engraved; they are all originals, to the best of my knowledge. On another list I posted this request to, someone said the caption below it discussed mostly jewellry. She offered to translate it for me, which I'll take her up on and see just what it's referring to this painting for. At best it is > indeed c. 1540, and > just an unusual style for the time. I have found pretty much the same stuff as the others whom had responded, and apparently he had done another court painting of note. I'd very much like to find a larger image of that painting and compare the artist styles, even if to satisfy myself that his style is simply unique. Cynthia wrote: > That would be my guess -- a tantalizing lead for the > real painting. > What marvelous sleeves! Yes! That is what caught my attention. That and the rather unsual flat front bodice that appears to run down the length of the gown, yet the hips are clearly fuller. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the engineering of this silhouette based on contemporary styles from other paintings. De wrote: > Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many > of his paintings are in > a private collection in Mantua. I just wish they had a few more in an online gallery for comparative purposes. > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo > Gonzaga's attire for his > 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua.... Having done a dig on Gonzaga I finally found a pic of that painting large enough to get a general feel for his style - it seems relative. And since this painting is solidly dated... well, *shrug* http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro5.jpg It's interesting that they used Bahuet's painting as being more correct than Reubens' work. However it's important to note that the painting I am searching for and this one are nearly 40 years apart and his style may have evolved. They seem reasonably close at this point though. I found this too, for anyone interested in a complete series of costumes made based on Gonzaga's marriage portrait: www.a-mantova.com/News/kingstudio.html It looks like the Toledo repro is in there too. For some reason this collection looks suspiciously familiar. E House wrote: > http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm > I couldn't find any info about it on their English > site (couldn't get the > Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try > emailing/writing them. Absolutely. I had found this too, but my only reservation is that in the past I have had extremely poor luck getting a reply to any of my queries in Italy. I have tried on repeated occasions to locate items, ask more information on a painting, all answered with silence. Most frustrating. Not that I won't bang my head yet again against this particular Italian wall... Becky wrote: The artist is also knows as Giovanni > Bahuet, a Renaissance > painter. The thing I find most odd about this is that this painter apparently worked in Gonzaga's court his entire career. My first thought was this was a woman from Vincenzo's childhood - his mother's court, but that isn't possible since his mother was Eleonora von Habsburg, from what I can find she is from the Viennese branch (looks like she was born in Wien?). *does a little rummaging* Ohhhhh.... I know who the Isabella is they are talking about. It's great-great grandma, Isabella d'Este (1474-1539), married to Francesco II Gonzaga (1466-1519). This puts this painting, and the rather young woman sitter right at the very last days of Isabella's life. Moreover, the painter's last name rings familiar to French, not Italian. And if he did such notable sitters, why does this painter not exist historically in his own right? He must've seriously annoyed someone to have been this well erased from history. Having read over the history of the mantova ducale, it mentions that a good portion of the paintings they have are not at all related to the history of the palace since Vincenzo II spent Mantua into oblivion. Now that I found the Isabella connection, it is indeed related, it just took several hours of rooting to find it. Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIUZDH005431 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIUS9D016365; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIOpYY006992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIOjFD092859; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIOgpC092794 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23604 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:52:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:52:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57CC4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! De and others wrote: > ... Giovanni Bahuet ... That would explain that! I wonder why an Italian book used the French form of the name. > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for > his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was > necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in > contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet > (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made > of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with > an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes > in the exhibition." Looks like that might be this? http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg The few other portraits by Bahuet I can find online are too small for me to get a sense of the style. But I'd be interested in knowing the date of the book that has the b/w version of the portrait. More than once I've seen 18th and 19th c. books show an engraving of a work and cite the work to the original artist -- often these reproductions are very faithful, and it's usually the face that gives it away. This makes sense before photography; however, sometimes these b/w engravings are reprinted in much later books, with the credit to the original artist, and no indication that it's essentially a redrawing. Ouch. Also, it's worth seeing if there's a list of image credits in the front or back of the book. This is more common in more recent books, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIVnEl005453 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIVg4w029458; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIVDnf007819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIV94a097453; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUIV42q097327 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 78708 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 18:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 18:30:58 -0000 Message-ID: <00aa01c60d6f$2ca5c470$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:30:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B57D0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was there when they were shooting the movie. My husband and I walked out of our hotel across the little courtyard and into St. Mark's Square one morning, and there were folks in costume everywhere! We mused that it might be some sort of Italian "Renn" Faire (in another time period of course) or he even thought perhaps Venice always has people dressed in costume for tourists. Shortly afterwards, we found out that they were shooting a movie. Took a few more days to find out it was "Casanova" and didn't realize it featured Heath Ledger and Sienna Miller until we arrived back in the states. I took oodles of pictures of the extras, there was one little boy in particular who was absolutely darling in his period attire, but who was constantly torturing pigeons by kicking at them while they ate. Face of a saint, though. We took the tour of Casanova's cell and the Doge's palace, the day they were shooting scenes in front of it. It will be fun to reminisce since we watched a bit of the shooting. I did get a giggle out of everyone being in costume, what with me having left mine at home.... My DH and I will probably catch the movie on Monday. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Dickerson" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] "Casanova" > I saw it, and liked it as eye candy. It's not a time or place (1753, > Venice) that I know much about, but superficially the costumes seem OK > (and pretty). I was curious to hear opinions about accuracy. > Laura Dickerson > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 13:39:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUId6rp005536 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:39:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUIcwUJ019235; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:39:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUIcTis008751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:38:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIcQfx002628; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUIcLJX002558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBUITQfN011307 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:29:26 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:29:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B57E9B.4050302@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:38:19 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Susan B. Farmer wrote: > I have to say that I've given up trying to "feel" out paintings. There > are more than a few that I've seen that individually "feel" like later > works (and I can't call any to mind at the moment, I'm sure that > they'll come to me -- ah, this one by Paris Bordone > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BordoneHandkerchief.jpg > has a Victorian feel to it, but so do many of his other works) but when > taken as a body of work, it's easy to see that it's probably just a > stylistic thing. It's still fun, even if I end up wrong. ;) The one you cited -- the skin tone on the hands vs. the chest & face is so different, I'm wondering if there's any chance it was redone at a later time? One of my favorite paintings had some rework done on it at some point -- St. Elegius and the lovers had a halo put on St. E. but it was taken off in conservation a few years ago. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:18:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJIfx8007038 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJIWv1032561; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJHEmn014199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJHAD2031292; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUJH9lL031227 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 76619 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2005 19:17:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IkMIw/fvfOuvc9raj/aIdbjtmv64E6cLrBZfgV2BETuft+BDW/P0sZw/+728ueCGNgIIE76NiaW+lQwUfoS4dXGCAYFK+ioLjedmrCwIB5QWR2qaB7maE4JeZPrwgMOuwv5NHJ8iRNZOLmHKVINCCOMHiVsBiyEExzJ46V/s/5g= ; Message-ID: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:17:03 EST Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:17:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512301334.jBUDYmra098418@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B58808.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Someone on another list just presented a really compelling comparison: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm It supports the opinion that my version is a later copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The details have been exaggerated it would appear if this is true. One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as well. I'm gonna throw a reallllllly wild thought out there : would the "A" in the Jean Bahuet attribution have some relevance?! Doubtful, frankly. I think trying to unearth who this Bahuet guy is will give me most of the answers. I did find an Alfred-Louis Bahuet Born in Paris, France, 1862 listed as a largely unknown artist, but that's it. I have him listed in a collection that has him with their Engravings, Etchings, Lithographs and ­Prints. There is another one though. http://www.comanducci.it/english/Risultati.asp?Ricerca=bahuet Also shows a Jeannin Bahuet, in the 16th century. Okay, my head is spinnning. time to go have a shower and go see Narnia with my daughter. :-) Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:31:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJVTeA007330 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:31:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJVLKp004711; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJUnhD015678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJUkw3040771; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJUf4S040638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsPxH-0004og-29; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:23 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230133022.cp31i8nv8aow4oc0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:30:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Quoting Robin Netherton : > >> "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for >> his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was >> necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in >> contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet >> (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made >> of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with >> an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes >> in the exhibition." > > Looks like that might be this? > > http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg That would be it. This page http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm shows the original painting and the reconstructed costume. I'm pretty sure that I have some other things with similar sleeves -- I'll have to have a look and see. > > The few other portraits by Bahuet I can find online are too small for me > to get a sense of the style. But I'd be interested in knowing the date of > the book that has the b/w version of the portrait. More than once I've > seen 18th and 19th c. books show an engraving of a work and cite the work > to the original artist -- often these reproductions are very faithful, and > it's usually the face that gives it away. This makes sense before > photography; however, sometimes these b/w engravings are reprinted in much > later books, with the credit to the original artist, and no indication > that it's essentially a redrawing. Ouch. Yeah. I'm with you there. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:36:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJa06b007828 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:36:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJZrs7006222; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJYNoP016210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJYMpw043312; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:34:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJYIh0043191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:34:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsQ0o-0005Hm-3b; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:02 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:02 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230133402.a36xlwajtnqoswc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:34:02 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Quoting Kathy Page : > Susan wrote: > >> Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me >> about the book? > > Storia del costume in Italia by Rosita Levi Pisetzky. > Volume 3 or 4, IIRC. Milano : Istituto editoriale > italiano, 1964-1969 > > I can't wait to see if you can track down >> a color copy! > > Me too! It would help clarify an awful lot. > > ooooh. I've heard about that book. My university library doesn't have it, so it was going to have to come from ILL and I don't have the time to spend right now going through it! However, ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 14:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJoxKB008309 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUJopQs011558; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUJoT5w018442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJoQQQ055326; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJoMrD055196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsQGJ-0006Yd-Of; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:03 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:03 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230135003.xq28cjryvw5cskcs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:03 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? References: <20051230111414.h7dj2c6416o08k80@www.goldsword.com> <43B57E9B.4050302@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43B57E9B.4050302@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:50:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B58F9B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Cynthia Virtue : > Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >> I have to say that I've given up trying to "feel" out paintings. There >> are more than a few that I've seen that individually "feel" like later >> works (and I can't call any to mind at the moment, I'm sure that >> they'll come to me -- ah, this one by Paris Bordone >> http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BordoneHandkerchief.jpg >> has a Victorian feel to it, but so do many of his other works) but when >> taken as a body of work, it's easy to see that it's probably just a >> stylistic thing. > > It's still fun, even if I end up wrong. ;) Oh, but yes! > > The one you cited -- the skin tone on the hands vs. the chest & face > is so different, I'm wondering if there's any chance it was redone at > a later time? You know, it could be. I had originally assumed that she was wearing gloves, but it doesn't appear to be so. Most of his other women's overall "shape" is boxier that this lady, but that could just be the play of the shadow as well. *sigh* I'd like to know where Bella got that particular image. Most of the Bordones that I have in my e-collection are B&W, so I don't know if they're still around or if nobody's done a recent "study" so we can have pretty color pictures. > > One of my favorite paintings had some rework done on it at some point > -- St. Elegius and the lovers had a halo put on St. E. but it was > taken off in conservation a few years ago. Some of the newer conservarion efforts are undoing the changes that had been done over the years. And you know there is still the occasional controversy over the restoration of the Sistine Chapel. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 15:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKFkcQ009928 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKFcEQ020071; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUKEjxb021652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:14:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUKEhAl072490; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUKEcmM072424 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B7110262808 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:14:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c60d7d$b594f8b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:14:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5956A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Laura. I am dying to se this movie, but it wont get to the danish cinemas until march, so i have to be patiente. My swedish friends of the gustavian society are going full dressed to the premiere opening in Stockholm later in january because the director is swedish. They were invited to come because they are so well dressed. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Dickerson" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Casanova" > I saw it, and liked it as eye candy. It's not a time or place (1753, > Venice) that I know much about, but superficially the costumes seem OK > (and pretty). I was curious to hear opinions about accuracy. > Laura Dickerson > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 15:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKKolg010422 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:20:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUKKgLg021798; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:20:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUKKMRK022228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUKKKNG076407; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUJvVJM060449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsQNC-00072Z-9j; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:10 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:10 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:10 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Quoting Kathy Page : > Someone on another list just presented a really > compelling comparison: > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm > > It supports the opinion that my version is a later > copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The > details have been exaggerated it would appear if this > is true. > One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori > apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as > well. *snippage* Allori was Bronzino's pupil -- and Bronzino was made his guardian as well so there was a close relationship between the two. In fact, if you see an attribution of Allesandro Bronzino, it is in fact Allori rather than Agnolo Bronzino who was the artist. He is known to have taken Bronzino's name from time to time. Here's a brief bio. http://www.wga.hu/bio/a/allori/alessand/biograph.html and one for Bronzino http://www.wga.hu/bio/b/bronzino/biograph.html Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM2TCY015411 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:02:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM2LgU030871; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUM1rmT035017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM1cQ5046397; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM1Wgi046314 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.212]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 61DD626285A for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:01:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c60d8c$9e3035e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512301335.jBUDYmrc098418@net.indra.com> <8C7DB721CE5B918-444-677C@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Christmas presents Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:01:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:02:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5AE6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Tara, How typpical of me to compleately misunderstand everything. I think i have learned now :-) Thanks Tara............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Christmas presents > Bjarne, I think you're a little mixed up. I sent you your gift, but you > were supposed to send a gift to someone else. You sent it before I > e-mailed you, so I'm sure the correct person got the lovely little > purse... sigh.... > > I got a wonderful Elizabethan hat, though! I think it's called a tall hat > with an arched brim. It's made of black velvet, and it may be just the > spur I need to finally make myself an upper-class Elizabethan. I also got > some gorgeous fabric scraps and some great pictures of my Santa and some > costumes she has made. Unfortunately, I'm at work as I write this and the > stuff with her name on it is at home, so I've forgotten who it was. I do > plan to send her a nice long e-mail of thanks, just as soon as my in-laws > go home. :) > > Tea Rose/Tara Broadway > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:06:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM6NWa015602 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:06:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUM6FUo032175; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUM5aVH035424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM5aQu048863; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUM5XIF048832 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.212]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BED26283E for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:05:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:05:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:06:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5AF57.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at the top, where is the rest? Is it laced at the back? http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Someone on another list just presented a really > compelling comparison: > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm > > It supports the opinion that my version is a later > copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The > details have been exaggerated it would appear if this > is true. > One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori > apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as > well. I'm gonna throw a reallllllly wild thought out > there : would the "A" in the Jean Bahuet attribution > have some relevance?! Doubtful, frankly. I think > trying to unearth who this Bahuet guy is will give me > most of the answers. I did find an Alfred-Louis Bahuet > Born in Paris, France, 1862 listed as a largely > unknown artist, but that's it. I have him listed in a > collection that has him with their Engravings, > Etchings, Lithographs and ­Prints. > > There is another one though. > http://www.comanducci.it/english/Risultati.asp?Ricerca=bahuet > Also shows a Jeannin Bahuet, in the 16th century. > > Okay, my head is spinnning. time to go have a shower > and go see Narnia with my daughter. :-) > > Kathy > > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth > there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart > somewhere to receive it. > -Ivan Panin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:16:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMGoEO016166 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:16:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMGhoJ003058; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:16:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMFpjT036817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMFnJ8054934; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMFkwC054816 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:15:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:15:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the Internet for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than I knew about and still now that are this one picture. I''ve looked under all Renaissance artists around 1540 and not look close. It looks like the Flemish artists and Ruebens paiintings but not the same background treatment. So as an art teacher, this has me baffled. I'd like to know more about the Renaissance Period of art is my favorite. I have lots to learn about the clothing of that time. So now it has become a mission to learn more about this wonderful period of art. Please keep us informed about this painting. Where did you get the picture? Can you write the publisher for more information? Maybe they can refer you to the original owner or museum. It's worth a trty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Kathy Page : > >> Someone on another list just presented a really >> compelling comparison: >> >> http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/images/bronzino.jpg >> http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-96.htm >> >> It supports the opinion that my version is a later >> copy, but they have misdated it, if they have. The >> details have been exaggerated it would appear if this >> is true. >> One of these paintings is by Alessandro Allori >> apparently. I've seen it attributed to Bronzino as >> well. > > *snippage* > > Allori was Bronzino's pupil -- and Bronzino was made his guardian as > well so there was a close relationship between the two. In fact, if > you see an attribution of Allesandro Bronzino, it is in fact Allori > rather than Agnolo Bronzino who was the artist. He is known to have > taken Bronzino's name from time to time. > > Here's a brief bio. > http://www.wga.hu/bio/a/allori/alessand/biograph.html > and one for Bronzino > http://www.wga.hu/bio/b/bronzino/biograph.html > > Jerusha > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:22:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMMqN5016256 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:22:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMMie3004891; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMM43X037533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMM1x1058875; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s1.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s1.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMLxdY058793 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.56.83]) by omc1-s1.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:21:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:21:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Was there a specific area of Europe that had this kind of slashing and ribbon flaps The hair style might be a clue to it's origins. I never had to look so close to clothing before. I'm making a Renaissance costume for myself but now I don't know what period I want to reconstruct. I have 10 yards of a wine velvet with gold arebesque scrolls all over it. I am looking for a more glamour damask or brocade for the front panel. Any suggestions? I like the puffy sleeves and the chemise showing through. I don't like the high necklines of the later periods, and am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some said earlier. I want to make sure the hat and hair match the period of my dress. I like the hair pulled back and the bejeweled snoods but also the French cap with the veil (the one that looks like an upturned duck bill, but with embellishments to make it richly decorated). Anyone got a picture that might inspire me and guide me to a magnificant costume.. BEFORE I cut my fabric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? > -----Original Message----- >> http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/bahuet.jpg > > << seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended to show the painting. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. At worst it is a forgery, but that > is less likely than the alternatives. At best it is indeed c. 1540, and > just > an unusual style for the time. A citation for the book you found this in, > with year, might be useful. > I can't find Jean Bahuet in my dictionary of artists, nor on a websearch, > save in 18th and 19th c. geneaologies, which might of course be referring > to some other Jean Bahuet(s). > > --Robin>>>>>> > *** > Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many of his paintings are > in > a private collection in Mantua. > http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/march_04/gallery_center.htm > l > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for his > 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was necessary > to > recreate a costume which is described at length in contemporary chronicles > and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet (private Collection, Mantua) > and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made of white satin, embroidered > gold, > silver, and pearls and topped with an ermine cape, it is the most lavish > and > costly of all the costumes in the exhibition." > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:23:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMNPPB016264 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:23:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMNHvc010859; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:23:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMMnaL037654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMMmtW059332; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBUMMOKg059107 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 3611 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 14:22:23 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3603, pid: 3604, t: 3.8813s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 14:22:19 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:22:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm > >Bjarne My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the actual closure is by hooks and eyes. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 17:49:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMn77p017441 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:49:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUMn0b9012992; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:49:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUMhdTb040116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMhZsu071446; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMhTj1071331 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-67-101-53-168.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[67.101.53.168]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20051230224321113005vjope>; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:43:22 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051230143600.02054ca8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <200512302222.jBUMMn0Y059341@net.indra.com> References: <200512302222.jBUMMn0Y059341@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5B95C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip some space : : : : : : : : : : : : At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to see her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:00:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUN0SNF018338 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:00:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUN0K6T015834; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:00:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUN00Bq042225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMxuXX080373; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUMxqg7080267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsTDc-0002js-Al; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:28 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:28 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:00:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5BC04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Becky : > This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the > Internet for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than > I knew about and still now that are this one picture. Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in Italy. http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 Gorgeous book -- lots of paintings that I've never seen any where else. In fact, most of them I'd never seen before. This painting http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/byswr is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. It's almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently under discussion. This other painting http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoWorkshop_PortraitWoman-landinFig57.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/dunbm is attributed to "Workshop of Bronzino" Susan, Florentine junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNSNWX019416 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:28:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNSF4w022379; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:28:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUNRpZk045592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNRm9g095448; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNRjI5095397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsTeX-0004S4-NN; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:27:17 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:27:17 -0600 Message-ID: <20051230172717.4vrsqsk9qjkgwk0g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:27:17 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBUNRjI5095397 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:28:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5C28F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Becky : > Was there a specific area of Europe that had this kind of slashing > and ribbon flaps The hair style might be a clue to it's origins. > I never had to look so close to clothing before. I flunked Art History as a college freshman a hundred years or so ago; but I've learned more in the past few years looking at paintings for clothing details. *snippage* > Anyone got a picture that might inspire me and guide me to a > magnificant costume.. BEFORE I cut my fabric. There are 2 sets of web sites to see -- both have Italian Gallieries, but neither one of them cover the Florentine period from 1550-1580 like the "Mda a Firenza" book does. The first is Jen Thompson's Festive Attyre. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/index.html You want the first four pages under Image Galleries -- she does have a "working woman" from 1575-1600 Gallery that I had forgotten about. Most of her stuff is oriented towards Florentine Fashion. The "court" galleries cover the period from 1475-1550. If you want to go the Venetian route (and I don't care for the later period Venetian fashion), you need Bella's site. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/wardrobe.htm Here she has galleries that span 1490 to post 1600. I really like the early Venetian stuff. And do poke around both of those sites. I just included the link for the top of the "Gallery Stuff." If this is the style that you like, do get a copy of "Moda a Firenza." ILL it first if you're not sure that you want to spend the money. I still like Tudor and early Elizabethan -- and I want to make Viking, and a bliaut (whatever it really was) and a GFD -- but my heart has been stolen by Venetian and Florentine fashion. There are another couple of books that folks reference for the Italian Renaissance -- one is by Birbari. I looked at this one, and decided it wasn't for me. It was earlier than my primary focus. The other one is by Jacqueline Herald -- it's *wonderful* There's a set of books at my university library (in Italian) by C. Bestetti, C. (published in 1962.) Abbigliamento e costume nella pittura italiana: Rinascimento. Or maybe it was this set by Pirovano (pub 1987) La pittura in Italia. (these are done by century) Unfortunately, most of the paintings in here are in B/W (as in the two other books). Bernard Berenson has some nice books -- agian mostly B/W; Italian pictures of the renaissance: Venetian School; Italian pictures of the renaissance: Florentine School; and Central I talian and north Italian pictures of the renaissance. Other books that have some nice Italian paintings in them (in addition to books about specific artists) Brown, D.A. 2001. Virtue and Beauty: Leonardo’s Ginerva de’ Benci and renaissance portraits of Women. Campbell, L. 1990. Renaissance portraits: European portrait-painting in the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. Thornton, P. 1991. the Italian Renaissance Interiors: 1400-1600 Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:44:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNioGm019701 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNigh1026729; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUNgdjm047416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNgbvU003439; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNgYKf003412 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.156] (pm5-156.eos.net [205.133.149.156]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBUNgW1E006615 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:42:32 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:31:24 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512302019.jBUKIvqi075412@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Duke of Mantua costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5C66B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! on 12/30/05 4:19 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >> "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for >> his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was >> necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in >> contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet >> (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made >> of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with >> an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes >> in the exhibition." > > Looks like that might be this? > > http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg WOW!!! Thanks for posting that. And Deredere, thanks for posting your photos from the museum. That must be a wonderful exhibit to see in person! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 18:54:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNsGvu019842 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBUNs9TA029243; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBUNrZ2Q048739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNrY6S009195; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBUNrVca009179 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1684234wra for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cL7sGfDyPgmfRSSt21RPzReHG5dwVKXbpYxqxOoaC079cqy5XOhRfiFpfOi2p3RKVE0sKxyRxE1GAwcU3QUkm7nb7aTRkgDEUXuFJ8NGwFdTLwvyjOuRv2ZQPC/ql8Vua377riQaoDdxDzVQZfZmydmcRhrQnFnV1YKFoR8NkW4= Received: by 10.65.137.4 with SMTP id p4mr3684991qbn; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:30 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jBUNrVca009179 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5C8A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >I don't know how much this will help, but here's the museum mentioned in the >caption as its home: >http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm >I couldn't find any info about it on their English site (couldn't get the >Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try emailing/writing them. I was at both the Palazzo Te & Palazzo Ducale in Mantova this summer. I was not impressed with the collection or the staff in either location. There was no catalog for sale either. Apparently the Gonzaga heirs quietly got rid of/ sold off all the stuff. There's nearly nothing remaining of the once vast collections. The city owns both palazzos and runs one as a museum, the other as a semi-outdoor concert space. There had been one the nite before; the place was absolutely trashy. Some of the frescoes remain, others are in the early stages of restoration. A whole lot of work remains. Someday it will be a lovely site, I hope. As for the paintings, the gown is quite similar to most every other one in the 1560s. I'm sure you'll find something equally wonderful, if not more so. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 19:29:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV0TJWX020848 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV0TBJ5005447; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV0SjVa052788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV0Sg0E026592; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV0SMrf026380 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231002816.UFLR22847.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:16 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.187.125]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231002816.LZAN16143.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:16 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20051231002815.JGVF27457.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:15 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:19 +1300 Message-ID: <009101c60da1$19b16630$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:28:18 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5D0D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.vivoscuola.it/us/dlllsn3095/alad/030527.htm A quick search for bahuet and ritratto found this. No more info, but it gives an Italian spelling of his name. He seems to be variously called Giovanni and Gioninni. Jeannin and Jean would be the French spellings of his name. It all makes sense, in English it would be John;) Or some diminuitive? The original imge looks like it just had the wrong date for it. Possibly it was also taken from a photogravure. It's an early photogrpahic process that is a little grainier. I have several books from the start of the 20thC that uses this process. http://www.curtis-collection.com/process.html http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/photography/processframe.php?processid=pr017 > Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of > these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence > of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. > It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL > copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in > Italy. Sigh, I so need to get this book out on ILL. I "do" German and Netherlands, but it's always exciting to see good clear images from other countries as well. > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > http://tinyurl.com/dunbm Thanks for those:) Actually I spotted a few more in that style on bildindex. I did a search for bildnis with the date ranges 1500 - 1600 and trawled through over 3000 images;) http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/be00068a05a.jpg Niederlande?, Bildnis der Lavinia Fontana, 1501/1600?, Bild, Brüssel, Sammlung unbekannt http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00235e12a.jpg Bronzino, Agnolo (Zuschreibung), Bildnis einer Dame, Bild, Berlin, Sammlung Schmidt, Carl (?) http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_2577027b.jpg Bronzino, Agnolo (Nachahmer), Bildnis einer Frau / Bildnis einer Frau (Bianca Capello?), Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 3473 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/it00148g08a.jpg Bronzino, Agnolo, Bildnis einer adeligen Dame, Bild, Florenz, Galleria degli Uffizi, Pinacoteca Ya, got me, she's not at all dressed the smae;) I just like her partlet. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Thank you so much for sharing ...what wonderful gowns and what a great way to display them. What museum is this? 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Quoting michaela : *snippage* > >> Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of >> these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence >> of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. >> It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL >> copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in >> Italy. > > Sigh, I so need to get this book out on ILL. I "do" German and Netherlands, > but it's always exciting to see good clear images from other countries as > well. > > >> http://tinyurl.com/byswr >> http://tinyurl.com/dunbm > > Thanks for those:) Actually I spotted a few more in that style on bildindex. > I did a search for bildnis with the date ranges 1500 - 1600 and trawled > through over 3000 images;) Cool. I haven't figured out how to search that site yet. At one time, I was pointed to an enormous collection of Sofonisba Anguissola paintings there, but everything that I pull up on her now from that site has much fewer paintings. How did you set up your search? > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/be00068a05a.jpg > Niederlande?, Bildnis der Lavinia Fontana, 1501/1600?, Bild, Brüssel, > Sammlung unbekannt I like Lavinia. :-) the gown is black, the underskirt is gold, and those are pearls on her sleeves. > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00235e12a.jpg > Bronzino, Agnolo (Zuschreibung), Bildnis einer Dame, Bild, Berlin, Sammlung > Schmidt, Carl (?) One very similar to this on is in the book (attributed to Pulzone) -- looks like the same face. The body of the gown looks like it might be needlepoint or cross-stitch in the book image. > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_2577027b.jpg > Bronzino, Agnolo (Nachahmer), Bildnis einer Frau / Bildnis einer Frau > (Bianca Capello?), Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 3473 There's one similar to this by Allori. The sleeve puffs are different -- in the Allori portrait, they're not lined up. The fabric in the Allori portrait is black with a gold stripe in it. > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/it00148g08a.jpg > Bronzino, Agnolo, Bildnis einer adeligen Dame, Bild, Florenz, Galleria degli > Uffizi, Pinacoteca > Ya, got me, she's not at all dressed the smae;) I just like her partlet. This one is in color in the book. Isn't that partlet just too cool? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:03:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV23eC8024606 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV23WNB028411; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV22mNT064323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV22imU072715; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav7.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV22fG6072678 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:02:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:02:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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My daughter LOVES the blue one with the lace collar or frilly collar. Do you have a complete view of that one? I love the picture of Elenora http://www.polistampa.com/asp/se.asp?id=106. That is how I want the top of my dress. Thanks for the link I will go see if I can find it at the local bookstores... we have so many around here. One might actually have the book or be able to get it for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Becky : > >> This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the Internet >> for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than I knew about >> and still now that are this one picture. > > Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of > these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence > of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. > It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL > copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in > Italy. > > http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 > > Gorgeous book -- lots of paintings that I've never seen any where else. In > fact, most of them I'd never seen before. > > This painting > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > > is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. It's > almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently > under discussion. This other painting > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoWorkshop_PortraitWoman-landinFig57.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/dunbm > is attributed to "Workshop of Bronzino" > > Susan, Florentine junkie > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV27MIU024652 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV27F8H029298; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV26nX7064734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV26miV074621; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV26jHU074592 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF935D69F for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:06:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051230173810.0375fa80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:05:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday/Secret Santa gifts In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051227181919.02692f38@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:07:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5E7D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi all I am just now catching up on emails, and still have a lot to go through. To Ruth Ann, you are most welcome. I hadn't made anything like that before, and I really enjoyed making your gift, that I am going to make one for me, too, ... someday. I received the Secret Santa gift from Katheryne Grossberg that came in today. She sent me a beautiful silk knitted purse, 2oz of hand dyed romney wool from red onion skins, a box of miniature ornaments, and they all came wrapped in a bit of fabric that will go great with a costume idea I've been collecting fabric for that will get into three dimensional fabric imaging (flames, lots of flames.) Thank you so very much Katheryne! I really love the gifts you sent. I did a little happy dance that made my husband and friends look at me funny. As for what else I got for Christmas that is costume related... not much. My husband got me garnet earrings and a garnet and opal bracelet from my favorite jewelry store (The Dragon's Treasure - www.dragont.com). They will go well with my faire costume, and for special nights out. Otherwise, I mostly got gift certificates and cash that I've spent buying costume and embroidery books. Even with a wish list on Amazon.com, people are scared I won't like what they chose for me. These are the costume or faire related books I just ordered. They are all in transit, so I hope they will come in next week or sooner, like yesterday! _Nineteenth-Century Fashion in Detail_ by Lucy Johnston _Pleasures and Pastimes in Tudor England_ by Alison Sim _Hispanic Costume, 1480 - 1530_ by Ruth Matilda Anderson _German Renaissance Patterns for Embroidery (1568)_ Nicholas Bassee _The New Carolingian Modelbook, Counted Embroidery Patterns From Before 1600_ by Kim Brody Salazar For us, the main gifts are for our kids, and they got plenty. My son so loves Thomas the Tank Engine and he got plenty on that. I also made his first Christmas stocking with a Santa Pooh Bear. I have to finish my husbands, and then come up with something for me and for our daughter. Speaking of which, my little girl is up and needing my attention. Happy New Year everyone!! Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ot8R025948 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ol8s030882; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV2oRme069759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2oRvm095238; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2nsYM094912 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISC00AL6D6ZBL7A@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5F207.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hooks and eyes? This is Francesco de Medici, Cosimo I de Medici and Eleonora de Toledo's oldest son. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a .htm > >Bjarne My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the actual closure is by hooks and eyes. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 21:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ot3N025947 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV2ol7Q007040; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV2oNrT069747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2oKcg095181; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV2oGDc095107 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISC00AL6D6ZBL7A@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Duke of Mantua costume In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B5F207.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I saw this costume in New York . It was pretty spectacular. Janet Cox Rearick was the organizer of the exhibit. It also had the famous black white gold Eleonora of Toledo gown and Federico Gonzaga outfit among others. The fabric was amazing the reproduced it for the exhibit... Sigh.... The women in charge of the exhibit let me play with the Eleonora gown....Double sigh... Dame Catriona Mac Duff. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Duke of Mantua costume on 12/30/05 4:19 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >> "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for >> his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was >> necessary to recreate a costume which is described at length in >> contemporary chronicles and depicted in paintings by Giovanni Bahuet >> (private Collection, Mantua) and Rubens (Palazzo Ducale, Mantua). Made >> of white satin, embroidered gold, silver, and pearls and topped with >> an ermine cape, it is the most lavish and costly of all the costumes >> in the exhibition." > > Looks like that might be this? > > http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro6.jpg WOW!!! Thanks for posting that. And Deredere, thanks for posting your photos from the museum. That must be a wonderful exhibit to see in person! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 22:10:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3AvBp026637 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:10:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3Ai8Y012340; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV3AH5A072378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV3AFWQ004535; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBV3AC1k004480 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5M7WAARQYDRJ for (sender ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDH3QM7C; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:35 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:08:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? 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Hooks and eyes are a perfectly period closing for the 16th century- why wouldn't Francesco de Medici have a doublet that closed with hooks and eyes? Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500 monica spence writes: > Hooks and eyes? This is Francesco de Medici, Cosimo I de Medici and > Eleonora > de Toledo's oldest son. > Dame Catriona MacDuff > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Joan Jurancich > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this > painting? > > > At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. > >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at > >the top, where is the rest? > >Is it laced at the back? > > > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb 81a > .htm > > > >Bjarne > > My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the > actual closure is by hooks and eyes. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 22:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3LVas027563 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV3LNGk014689; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV3L7Up073538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:21:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV3L69W009175; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV3L23R009151 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:21:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:21:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:21:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com> <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest I've found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of pattern I'd need to make it? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > Quoting Becky : > >> This thing has been on my mind all day. I've looked all over the Internet >> for similar pictures or images. I've found so many more than I knew about >> and still now that are this one picture. > > Got 'em! I knew that I had pictures of those sleeves. :-) Both of > these paintings are in the new book "Moda a Firenze" on the influence > of Eleanor of Toledo. The book covers Florentine Style from 1540-1580. > It's *wonderful* My copy of the book isn't here yet, (I fondled an ILL > copy) but the best place that I found to get it was from this site in > Italy. > > http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 > > Gorgeous book -- lots of paintings that I've never seen any where else. In > fact, most of them I'd never seen before. > > This painting > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > > is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. It's > almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently > under discussion. This other painting > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoWorkshop_PortraitWoman-landinFig57.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/dunbm > is attributed to "Workshop of Bronzino" > > Susan, Florentine junkie > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 23:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4IhVI030804 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:18:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4IZID030608; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV4HtuJ080135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4HqHu035785; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4Hl3a035722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV5tXjL009857 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:55:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:20:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512302320.48312.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:18:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6069B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tuesday 27 December 2005 10:05 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > "A Perfect Red," by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used > > in textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) > > "Mauve," by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular > > dye) > > I heard an interview with the author of "Mauve" on NPR when the book first > came out -- it sounded fascinating. I hadn't heard of the Red book; let us > know how these are! I will. I've started "Red" and it looks somewhat lightweight and more interested in the politics of cochineal importation than I wanted. I have higher hopes for "Mauve." -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 23:54:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4sA1u031492 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:54:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4s2Al007121; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:54:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV4rBNu083452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4rAS9050715; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4r3Z6050658 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m142.in-tch.com [216.166.191.142]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jBV4j4b12591 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:45:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:59:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:54:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B60EEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Becky. That is an amazing portrait, isn't it? I got to spend some time with the book this summer (ILL is *such* a gift from the costuming/research gods!), and got some scans of it. I'd use the pattern taken from the extant "Eleanor," if I were doing the dress in the portrait. It's in Janet Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion, 1560-1620_. Similar dresses show up in Alcega, if I'm not mistaken (it's been years since I've looked at my copy). Alcega and Arnold would also be pretty good sources for ideas on how to make the overgown/surcoat. You might check out the Realmofvenus website (not sure of exact web addy, but someone else might have it). The owner/host specializes in Italian stuff--more heavily oriented towards Venetian, but lotses and lotses of yummy ideas, nonetheless! Good luck with the outfit! --Sue, still tempted to rejoin the "dark side" of 1500 ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? > I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest I've > found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of pattern > I'd need to make it? > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 30 23:58:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4wbEg031714 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV4wTJ9008246; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV4wGJe084113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4wGYe052885; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV4wCvm052838 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XTdHVMlmg9tgNgVR0DN6iw7GxK45JjJzzQUraQNSu3oPBwQCoXOEVZVS2Y86kXRq; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.93.51] (helo=camelot01) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsYok-0006Y5-3P for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:58:32 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYNxtjBKC2RJiT2Tai+6+P76bxo0g== Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120a4c074d5b225a2ec818c71f27429a83ba14edb6c4c3f426e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.93.51 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas presents X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B60FF5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have to chime in here and thank my secret Santa-Stephen--- for the lovely trim. Although He apologized for being late, the package came at just the right time: Christmas Eve around four in the afternoon. I have not decided what to do with the French trim yet and fortunately (or unfortunately) one of my best friends saw the roll of blue with silver trim and is trying to claim it for her wedding gown she wants me to make for her. We'll see: I have some lovely blue velvet that I am envisioning a new gown with that trim for myself. Thank you very much Stephen. I will try to get pictures so you can see what I end up making with the trims. And, Tara, the hat was made by me. I hope you like it. I feel totally inadequate compared to the rest of the members on this list. Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 00:01:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV51sHA031821 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:01:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV51kbV009308; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:01:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV5115Z084534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV5107t054107; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV50vCl053977 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6547047 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:00:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c60dc7$3b46b360$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen thispainting? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:01:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:01:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B610BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>>You might check out the Realmofvenus website (not sure of exact web addy, but someone else might have it). The owner/host specializes in Italian stuff--more heavily oriented towards Venetian, but lotses and lotses of yummy ideas, nonetheless!<<<< Here is the url for the site. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 00:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV5gO54000810 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV5gDlD019956; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV5fRWb088523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV5fNu1070955; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBV5fLYr070890 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 20742 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 05:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 05:41:15 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051230233744.02268db8@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:40:22 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Secret Santa and Christmas Gifts In-Reply-To: <20051230132553.22131.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200512300222.jBU2M9BP082611@net.indra.com> <20051230132553.22131.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B61A35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The highway billboard showed Kay Shelton smiling proudly and saying: >My Secret Santa, Justin Barrett, sent me a lovely >purse made from black silk with beautiful butterflies >on it and containing a very useful small pair of >scissors. Thank you, Justin! Um.. That's actually me... Genie Barrett. Don't know how you got his name.... GRIN >snip >This year I'm looking at moving into Victorian. So he >gave me What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew >by Daniel Pool, Awesome book! I read it from cover to cover, as it was a library book, and wish I had it for a reference every time I read a book from the time period now. I'll have to get myself a copy one of these days. Have a great new year, and one can never have too many pairs of scissors. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 01:06:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV661Sc001192 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:06:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV65pX9025643; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:05:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV64utJ090487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV64s6u079937; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV64ps1079921 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8E3933AF3 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:05:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B61FBF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Don't worry, everything will work out. The melons on a platter was what I originally thought you were saying you wanted when you said low neckline. I now understand that you were wanting the average neckline. Please look through the sites given and you will find that most of the gowns are not high neckline. Besides the two "Italian" sites recommended to peruse for style, time, and location, here are a few paintings non Italia. for ideas. A bit early, 1535, Saxony. http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/7/04prince.html The puff and slash look is very Saxon early 1500s. 1505 http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=620 French 1540(?) http://www.picassomio.com/poster/c9250,i142938/en/ This is from the Realm of Venice site http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Music1560s.jpg You mentioned wine colored velvet with scroll/arabesque. Perhaps this style would be nice. or this http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Fresco2.JPG Good Luck with your gown. De -----Original Message----- Was there a specific area of Europe that had this kind of slashing and ribbon flaps The hair style might be a clue to it's origins. I never had to look so close to clothing before. I'm making a Renaissance costume for myself but now I don't know what period I want to reconstruct. I have 10 yards of a wine velvet with gold arebesque scrolls all over it. I am looking for a more glamour damask or brocade for the front panel. Any suggestions? I like the puffy sleeves and the chemise showing through. I don't like the high necklines of the later periods, and am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some said earlier. I want to make sure the hat and hair match the period of my dress. I like the hair pulled back and the bejeweled snoods but also the French cap with the veil (the one that looks like an upturned duck bill, but with embellishments to make it richly decorated). Anyone got a picture that might inspire me and guide me to a magnificant costume.. BEFORE I cut my fabric. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 02:15:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7F0Ct004561 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:15:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7EjQB010098; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:14:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV7E80H097007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7E5pv007415; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7E1BJ007397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-217-240-235.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.217.240.235]:62397 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Esaw7-0004He-4w for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:13:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:14:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B62FE5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I should have chimed in earlier: Helen Pinto sent me a lovely Christmas gift! A beautiful pair of earrings, some matching freshwater pearls, in the neatest decorated paper box. I'll have to take pictures; I can't possibly describe it. Thank you again, Helen! I'm still waiting on the rest of my costume related gifts. One is this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-2702716-3235141 along with several other costume books from my long wish list; I just don't know which yet. My Christmas present to _me_ is 16 meters of the most beeyootiful gold-on-red damask which is shipping from the UK and will probably be here sometime around Valentine's day. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 02:58:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7wXkP012774 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:58:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV7wPhX019920; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV7vuIA001263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7vtRw027411; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV7vqRF027394 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3515D4D1 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:57:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051230235110.0377e5c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:53:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> References: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:58:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B63A21.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:13 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >I'm still waiting on the rest of my costume related gifts. One is this: >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-2702716-3235141 Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor And Stuart Period Finds C. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside Sites in Southwark (The Way We Were) (Paperback) by Geoff Egan Oh? I hadn't seen this one before, and it isn't released yet I see. Would you mind telling us more about what you know about the book? Thank you. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 03:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV8sSRU029190 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV8sKBM031762; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV8rWHg011876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV8rTtU049100; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV8rQnC049087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-217-240-235.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.217.240.235]:62903 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EscUP-0004gJ-4g for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:53:25 -0600 Message-ID: <016901c60de7$a96e1c50$e800a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.1.2.0.20051230235110.0377e5c0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:53:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6473C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I don't know much more about it than what shows up on Amazon and on Oxbow, except that Robin Netherton asked the publisher about it, and heard that they're hoping to get it out by the end of the year. Hopefully it will be close to that, because I'm very impatient! Here's the Oxbow description: "Material culture in London in an age of transition is a major new illustrated catalogue of a rare assemblage of items from the Tudor and Stuart periods, mostly from waterlogged riverside sites. Objects of leather, bone, wood and glass as well as metal (with metallurgical analyses) include clothing and accessories; household equipment, fixtures and fittings; and items attesting writing, reading and leisure pursuits, as well as textile working, non-ferrous and ferrous metalworking, leather working, woodworking, bone, antler and glass working, ship building and fishing. There are weights; coins, tokens and jettons; pilgrim souvenirs and secular badges; horse equipment, arms and armour fragments. The discussion considers specific chronological trends as well as more general aspects of production, trade and changing styles." -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 04:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV9aZ7u006823 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:36:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBV9aR69010665; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:36:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBV9aAKT025681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV9a8Ci066306; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBV9a5qG066273 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29492 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:03:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:03:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <016901c60de7$a96e1c50$e800a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:36:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6511B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, E House wrote, about Geoff Egan's new Tudor artifacts book: > I don't know much more about it than what shows up on Amazon and on > Oxbow, except that Robin Netherton asked the publisher about it, and > heard that they're hoping to get it out by the end of the year. And now you all know what I know ;-) We'll be reviewing it in the next issue of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, along with a bunch of other new releases, most of which have been mentioned here already. One that hasn't is a new history of the Mercers' Company of London, by Anne Sutton: https://www.ashgate.com/shopping/title.asp?key1=&key2=&orig=results&isbn=0%207546%205331%205 At that price, not for everyone! I just got my review copy and am saving it for my trip to Portland in March. I'll have 8 hours of plane travel each way, so I should be able to make a dent in it. (It's 670 pages, and not large type either.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 06:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBlq3j006163 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:47:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBljIT012754; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVBlEJb038699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBlA9O025083; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBl6kN025016 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D22131970C for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:47:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:47:02 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More info museum pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:47:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B66FE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Some more info on the pictures http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html It was great to see the clothing. They were so tiny! But maby I am just tall. In F1 you see me standing beside a dress. And the stiches were much smaller than my machine can make them. Most of the costumes where displayd so that you can see all sides. I can't wait to next year when I hopefully go to the Kyoto museum. Willet-Holthuysen museum It is a small museum in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It is in a 17th century canalside house on the Gentelmans Canal. It is a special exebithion that runs to the 22 of January. The Willet-Holthuysen museum is part of the Amsterdam Historical Museum. http://www.willetholthuysen.nl/tentoonstelling.php?id=8 The book from the exebition is called " Rijk Gekleed, van doopjurk tot baljapon 1750-1940" by Annemarie Dekker ISBN 90 68683985 it is in Dutch. Publisher http://www.thoth.nl/. All the clothing are real and not reproductions. Most of the pieces are given to the Amsterdam Historical museum from private collections. I tried to translate some info on the costumes. A1-3 Robe a la francaise 1755-1760 West European, Handpainted silk. More than 80 different flowers, 11 butterflies, some insects and a bird. The interesting thing about this dress is that the painting is not random but carefully placed on the pattern pieces. B1-7 Robe a la Francaise 1770 Silk with woven stripes and embroidered flowers. Body lined in linnen C1 Robe a la Francaise 1775 (altered Around 1900 used for costume balls) Silk with woven pattern. It is made shorter and the bodice a bit looser. But basic shape is left intact D1 Robe al la langlaise 1770 (altered around 1900 used for costume balls) This gown has changed a lot! E1-4 Robe a la Francaise 1780 Silk with satin applique petticoat and stomacher are not the original. In the musee Les Arts Decorative in paris is a simular gown wich is complete. F1-2 1750-1775 Ribsilk, top part body lined with linnen G1 European stamped cotton lined in linnen H1-H6 Robe al la langlaise 1780 (silk 1760) (Gebrocheerde)?? silk damast, Tablier?? woolen lining, body lined in linnen. Probably Altered from a gown from 1760 I1 Two piece dress 1795-1800 Hand painted cotton Probably an alteration from a Robe a la Francaise from 1770 J1 1795-1800 Silk damast from 1750-1760 Altered K1-2 1795-1800 Silk embroidered with gold en silver thread and sprangles lined in linnen Silk from 1785-1790 Altered Sorry forgot to take pictures of whole dress :-[ . It is in the book. L1-10 Empire dress 1800-1815 Cotton batist Note the very tiny seams. About 3mm. La1 Lb1 I don't have any information from these dresses M1 Stamped cotton 1838 N1-4 Changeant silk with woven stripes. 1840 Note. Front is knife pleated back is carderidge pleated. Na1 No information O1-2 Silk woven stripes, cotton lining 1847 From Geertruide Springer-ten Cate (1819-1902) Note. Front is knife pleated back is carderidge pleated. P1-2 P2 is on the bottom of page stamped cotton 1855 Q1-2 three piece dress 1865 Tafetta silk *machine embroidered!* R1-4 1870 Linnen S1-4 three piece bustle gown 1873 Cotton, brodery anglaise T1-4 wool and taft silk U1 No info on adult dress Childs dress 1880-1890 Ribsilk cotton lining V1-3 silk 1895 Body and skirt don't belong togheter. W1 Velvet, oistrich feathers Original it had short puffy sleaves but was alered to wear the gown for a different ocasion. Lacing in the back X1-3 ribsilk 1902 Y1-2 silk voile woven flower motif, machine made lace. Uw1-Uw3 Corsets 1875-1900 Uw4-5 Dobble crinoline 1865 Cotton with metal hoops. It is one small hoopskirt for walking and trevaling. And a "tail" piece that is attached to buttons on the smaller crinoline for evening and ball dresses. The circumference is 3,5meter Uw6 Under skirt 1725-1775 Linnen 1M Empire 1800-1815 silk with linnen, Linnen lining 1M2-3-4-6 1770-1810 1M5 Habit a la francaise 1800 Velvet, silverthread, silk sprangles (Coat) Silk with linnen lining (trousers) Satin, silverthread, Sprangles linnen and silk lining (vest) 1M7 1780-1790 Silk, laken silk lining Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 06:52:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBqRDU007090 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:52:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVBqIDt014361; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:52:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVBprEX039036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBprhC026972; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVBpUxg026825 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4622733AEB for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:51:29 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:51:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:52:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B670F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The high collar is a part of the partlet. She is wearing a kind of coat over a gown. Something a kin to this ensemble. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/countesslivia.JPG or this http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg only a little more fitted in the bodice region. Will this be a problem? There is this pattern that can be adapted http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/loosegowns.html and I know there are some dress diaries online that deal with making the "coat" (sorry it's my bed time and brain is shutting down) Note just because a dress is a solid color does not necessarily mean you can't use your material to make that style, unless you are entering is in a competition where authenticity is a part of the score. De Whos not sure she's making sense. -----Original Message----- I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest I've found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of pattern I'd need to make it? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 08:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVDtceL023543 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVDtSOn012795; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVDsn2P050107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVDsiDt078255; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVDse1V078173 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:54:34 -0800 Message-ID: <43B68DA2.8050002@msn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:54:42 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 13:54:34.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB0B4A30:01C60E11] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:55:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B68DD0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on this site that I've not seen before: One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm Wish I'd known that boy! (Ahem! Did I say that outloud?) Very cool...sure would love to see the colored ones! There are several other interesting areas, but one of the easiest ways to get to some of these is here: http://www.kleio.org/frauenrenaissance.html Click on the person of interest and then look for links (especially those with the abbreviations Abb. #) Sg Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >> How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >> the top, where is the rest? >> Is it laced at the back? >> >> http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm >> >> >> Bjarne > > > My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the > actual closure is by hooks and eyes. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 10:22:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFMfns025588 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFMXn0003705; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVFM6PM057943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVFM2Zh014887; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVFLxdh014857 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jBVFLu1E000521 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:21:57 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:10:57 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aQ066313@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: memling book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6A239.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Has anyone seen the book "Memling's Portraits"? It's a catalogue of an exhibit at the Frick Museum, which I just heard about today. Today is the last day of the show, which is a traveling exhibit of 30 Memling portraits making its only US stop. The Frick's website lists the book in its shop section, but doesn't say how much it is. There are about 8 or 9 images of the portraits on the site. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 10:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFZ7v5026436 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVFZ0UY006974; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVFYVdT059091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVFYTKS020539; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVFYQoT020463 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48317 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 15:34:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EOxUaBugOKaXsA29YGYMqDsxKkLSgMtmKwtKASWskAK1muxYXYcWcoDcPMFP3Q968KU2xpThfaLwx1rbzGwi2HQ/c2mrMB/TrjIzzfc1Wvz7YYt1uoE7I8E2dd7sMuZ693A1k8ALc5FIWoDSmO5O4gVNLXDCSodZ8sK37a1AUvM= ; Message-ID: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:34:21 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512310250.jBV2oN84095210@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6A524.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I found this image on IMDB: Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru it!!) ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip some space : : : : : : : : : : : : At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to see her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. Julie «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:15:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGFeVN027500 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:15:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGFWO9020332; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGFA2q063546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGF8mC039749; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGF3lH039697 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01FC3CEF1 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:15:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:15:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6AEA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! otsisto wrote: > or this > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg > only a little more fitted in the bodice region. What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something else? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:21:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGLjQt027571 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGLbO0022085; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGLDpP064370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGLDUp042680; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGL5CD042551 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C145BE74D for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:21:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20051231162059.2C145BE74D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B011.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Looks like the corset is made out of foam. Mary wrote: >I found this image on IMDB: > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru it!!) > > ~mary > >h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) > >I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the >most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one >rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip >some space >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >: >At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, >petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The >style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly >outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to >tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why >it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you >left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two >layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to see >her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a >comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're >trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? > >I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm >curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. > >Julie > > > > > > >«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > >"Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." >~ Jane Austen > >"Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGPddK027609 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:25:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGPVP4023057; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:25:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGP3Ho064828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGP1VG044405; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGOw1A044369 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:25:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24709.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.9]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E03262814; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c60e26$c4a2af60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: , , <18cWoman@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:25:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stays question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B0FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, sorry for the crossposting. In Revolution in Fashion on page 100 there is a pair of stays wich always has made me wonder how it was worn. Its a covered pair of stays very beautifully covered with a floral brocade. It has tied on sleaves and it closes in the center front with lacing. Only the tabs are not covered with brokade. My gues is that it was worn to show. But how would they put the skirt to it. If only the tabs are going to be hided under the skirt, you would have to have the skirt opening very big. How would they have kept the skirt in place? Could the skirt have ben pinned to the tabs somehow? I definately think it was supposed to show the full busk piece in the front, it would be a shame to hide it away under a skirt. This has always made me wonder how on earth it would have ben worn. Could someone please enlightening me? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGUMDk028063 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:30:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGUF3N024311; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGTx76065344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGTxsr046945; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGGH7T040312 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24709.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.9]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D1025EE037 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:16:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c60e25$8b5b8ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:16:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:30:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B217.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mary, It definately shows, how odd. I think not they have boned the stays, at least not in the front. You can also see the fabric is wrinking on the stomacher point. Perhaps they think they wore stays without bones? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) > > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0800 > From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Casanova" (possible spoiler) > > I feel compelled to comment here. I saw Casanova last Sunday and for the > most part the costumes are lovely. Not perfect, but quite good. With one > rather glaring exception. This could be considered a spoiler, so I'll skip > some space > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > At the climactic scene of the movie, Francesca is wearing her shift, > petticoat and a corset. But it is the weirdest corset I've ever seen! The > style and cut was correct, but you could see both or her breasts clearly > outlined in the cloth, right down to her nipples! And detailed enough to > tell that her right breast is lower than her left. I can't figure out why > it looks like that, or even how they achieved that look. I suppose if you > left out all the boning you might get that, but still, with at least two > layers of coutil (or some other sturdy fabric) you shouldn't be able to > see > her breasts like that. Granted, earlier in the film the character has a > comment about how hideous corsets are, so if that's the point they're > trying to underline, why have her in a corset at all? > > I'm stumped, and it really yanked me out of the movie at that point. I'm > curious to hear anyone elses comments after they've seen it. > > Julie > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGZKwd028370 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:35:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGZCHS025683; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:35:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGTlZD065309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGTkOe046814; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51705.mail.yahoo.com (web51705.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVFltDo026954 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 658 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 15:47:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kw9/cNClZIb9C+0T0awSf4r6Dz4nAkSjf5gGuYePcMYPgy0zn0DWNbMLwSqC+A8xksOCovQ5gejZMfmiYPxBPVOBazI8sOBsLvM58EPDobQOridZE/A05YZZNI9E0DYDIOT+3yE+f42kowwA2g3JJIFZNFEf1Hf0IG6FgD1pUsM= ; Message-ID: <20051231154749.656.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:47:49 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:47:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aR066313@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ecret Santa and Christmas Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:35:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B340.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Whoops! Well, Justin's name is the one that was on the shipping label. And I certainly didn't want to be sexist about this. We have several talented male costumers on the list. But I want to be accurate (that research thing coming up again) and thank you, Genie. And I am enjoying What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew. It's a fun read. Craig and I went to a magic show/seance last night for our anniversary. I looked at the picture of the spirit guide and thought, "Hum, that dress doesn't look right for a Victorian child." Historic costuming coming to the fore. Kay The highway billboard showed Kay Shelton smiling proudly and saying: >My Secret Santa, Justin Barrett, sent me a lovely >purse made from black silk with beautiful butterflies >on it and containing a very useful small pair of >scissors. Thank you, Justin! Um.. That's actually me... Genie Barrett. Don't know how you got his name.... GRIN >snip >This year I'm looking at moving into Victorian. So he >gave me What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew >by Daniel Pool, Awesome book! I read it from cover to cover, as it was a library book, and wish I had it for a reference every time I read a book from the time period now. I'll have to get myself a copy one of these days. Have a great new year, and one can never have too many pairs of scissors. Genie __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 11:37:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGbr0p028421 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVGbkL9026344; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVGbVjV066137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVGbU2k050316; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52803.mail.yahoo.com (web52803.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVGbQ2t050249 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8206 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 16:37:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PwiBWgv6lp4i1bhEzLsitBmw2kbdPsPEO2DvqnxOfqplK1FLUUMBrIxo8ef8dZdCmos2rqFsEIP6Gf3YlYP+FYDb/HYoouK1G7X2dBgId6n4X0CUiYK7WDCtinnAGkx/yZUsFvGE5CbBTLqoJ+BnhRw4nd3X/nK91Hjk/mzGqJ8= ; Message-ID: <20051231163716.8204.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:37:16 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6B3DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Leonardo looks a little Orlando Bloom-ish, doesn't he? Especially around the eyes. WickedFrau wrote: If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on this site that I've not seen before: One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm Wish I'd known that boy! (Ahem! Did I say that outloud?) Very cool...sure would love to see the colored ones! There are several other interesting areas, but one of the easiest ways to get to some of these is here: http://www.kleio.org/frauenrenaissance.html Click on the person of interest and then look for links (especially those with the abbreviations Abb. #) Sg Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >> How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >> the top, where is the rest? >> Is it laced at the back? >> >> http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm >> >> >> Bjarne > > > My guess would be that the buttons are purely decorative and the > actual closure is by hooks and eyes. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:06:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVH6Do0029816 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVH654P001608; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVH5iZG069395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVH5fvb063813; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVH5cYl063787 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 847161844 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:37 -0600 Message-ID: <0beb01c60e2c$82a466c0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051231162059.2C145BE74D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:06:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6BA7D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>I found this image on IMDB: >> >> >> Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru >> it!!) It looks like girdle-weight lycra stretched tight. Her bosom is certainly squashed, and it certainly doesn't leave anything to the imagination! Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:35:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZHIA030251 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZ8qQ008479; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHYTIf072906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHYDrR078420; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHY8LU078394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBVHY0Q9014775 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:34:08 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:34:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55198.64.156.242.51.1136050440.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200512310250.jBV2oN84095210@net.indra.com> <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:34:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C14C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Oh, that picture! I saw it earlier online. When Julie first described it, it sounded like the thing was sheer! But I see what you mean about seeing the outline of her breast. It definitely looks like it's made of fabric only with no boning. Yes, Hollywood costumers know better - there are plenty of movies out there with decent stays and corsets! Something exists in the 18thC called jumps - described as "lightly boned stays", although there are lots of questions about various extant items and what, exactly they were and who wore them when. Anyway, I have not seen the movie, but from the ads it seems that she is an upper class lady? The less shaping, the lower the class, unless of course she was relaxing at home and would not ordinarily have been seen in public that way. Obviously it is shaping her somewhat. I think it's unattractive, especially for a leading lady. My take on it (as an 18thC type) - that type of thing may well have existed. She is not "properly" dressed wearing it (maybe she is not supposed to be "proper" in that scene or she is not a "proper" sort of character) or it's possible that it's not used correctly. Also Venice was it's own animal and some of the conventions of costume we have (from predominantly English sources) don't apply. I wonder how much research the costume designer did? Don't let it ruin the movie - at least she's not wearing powder blue eyeshadow. :-) -Carol > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:35:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZWqV030254 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHZPkZ000314; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHZBj7072997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHZBAx078845; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHZ8nr078826 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=rOtCpWwhrumunISGw2lI6e0y6jXYuRP81BH10XpZPshCbRMzhJWK1X5fMvALRRQT; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.140] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EskdH-0000im-7n for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c60e30$89435c30$8c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info museum pictures Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bd3fea9e0a5aaea6df0dea5db1ee3380b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.140 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C15D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks for the pictures and the extra info on the garments. It was great to see. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:43:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHhPgN030804 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHhIoI010782; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHh3bQ074012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHh1s3082842; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHgtp1082801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:42:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBVHXwfN030662 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:33:58 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:42:53 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? References: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C336.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dawn wrote: > otsisto wrote: > >> or this >> http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg >> only a little more fitted in the bodice region. > > > What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part > of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something else? Really narrow hanging oversleeve? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:44:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHiVY0030818 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:44:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHiN0K003465; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHi999074213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHi9HM083512; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHi5PQ083492 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:44:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:44:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:44:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 17:44:05.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB6F1940:01C60E31] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:44:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C377.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. Hi Becky, I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. Make sure when you are working on your stays, not to have a shelf at your bustline, this means your stays are cut too short and possibly too tight, this will also aid you in not having the melon effect. You want a nice rounding from the edge of your stays over your bustline, but not as much as with an 18thC corset. Your nipples should also sit lower in your stays than for an 18thC corset. And before you cut your fabric, make sure all of the underpinnings are finished and fit you well...otherwise you'll never be happy with the dress. I am battling this right now, as I am building a new outfit that is slightly earlier than the time period I usually dress, so new stays, farthingale first, before I get to start the fun stuff. My Mum wants to know what kind of jewelery I'd like to have, but I can't even think about that until I get the other bits done! It's be like putting on your makeup, before you've showered! UG! Kelly/Estela www.goldenoakinn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHk4KN030851 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHjuOC011504; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHja3C074420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHjaoo084313; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHjVPP084266 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:45:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=JERU3y1NTI4VDlWqNBBCha7i7qWTvicstgSpdkkuhPV5htqiKlxm2edn7o7zwbg9; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.140] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsknK-0005x4-K0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:31 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c60e31$fccb5c10$8c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" , "E House" References: <00ef01c60dd9$c399d1e0$e800a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b22fcc316a5f0bd3eb7c0c31bc8f6461d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.140 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C3D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Elena wrote: > , in the neatest decorated paper box. The box has a great back-story. It's called a "Mrs Yabe box" and I learned the pattern from Barry Morentz, another calligrapher. He was studying paper-making in Japan for several months, and when he left, his landlady (Mrs Yabe) gave him a gift of those Japanese sweets that are just too beautiful to eat, in a box she had made herself. Of course, he took it apart when he got home- the stiffener was a recycled yoghurt container. The pattern's been getting passed along ever since. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:46:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHkkKh030862 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHkd36004341; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHkEYI074502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHkEpd084617; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHkCmK084592 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:46:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:46:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 17:46:11.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[16C63540:01C60E32] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C3FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>Is it laced at the back? >> >>http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a.htm >> >>Bjarne Hi Bjarne, I haven't yet seen a doublet that laces up the back, doesn't mean they didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any. My thought is that the fastening is up centrefront, but hidden, possibly hook and eyes. Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 12:55:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHtiAn030963 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVHtaHW015021; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVHtGgk075600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHtEoD088969; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVHtA6E088938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBVHkDfN030878 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:46:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43B6C5FC.9060402@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:08 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C618.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! kelly grant wrote: > >> am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. I'm not the person to do it, but someone may have the time, someday, to do a photo essay about corseted bosom shapes through time, starting with Tudor and going up through some of the less, er, skilled tailoring of newer-to-historic-costuming folks where the bosom seems to be supported as if horizontal acreage was key. It would probably help a lot of newer folks to know what they were aiming for. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:07:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVI7TLK031588 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVI7M0I018713; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVI756j077001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:07:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVI74dt094588; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVI70dI094539 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:06:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:06:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:06:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:06:56.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCC49DF0:01C60E34] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6C8DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Doesn't look well boned enough for the period! That and it's fitting wonkie through her mid section, which also could be the result of not enough boning. I hate it when modern veiws are voiced in period movies. Like a woman in the 18thC would think about going without her corset in public if she was of society. it would be considered loose, or beneath her station, unfashionable. Most of society was trying to appear higher than their station. Sure we complain about our bras, but the idea of comfortable clothing is a really modern idea...like less than 40 years. UG! I'll still see the movie, I enjoy the comedic plotline. My spouse even wants to go! Kelly/estela > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:17:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIHIJx031775 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIHB9C021213; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIGlIA077979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIGjSO099105; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIGgYb099065 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:16:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200512310250.jBV2oN84095210@net.indra.com><20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <55198.64.156.242.51.1136050440.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:16:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:16:41.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[5944ECF0:01C60E36] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CB27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sometimes it's not up to the designer, or the costumier...as a former theatre type, I've witnessed actress throwing temper tantrums over costumes. It's not pretty, but sometimes happens, and if the actress had the producers or director in her back pocket, she may have gotten away with a lot. Kelly/estela > Also Venice was it's own animal and some of the conventions of > costume we have (from predominantly English sources) don't apply. I > wonder how much research the costume designer did? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:21:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVILKO7032119 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:21:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVILDv6022283; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIKlPm078694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIKmh0001661; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIKjAd001627 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:20:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43B6C5FC.9060402@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 18:20:41.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8732180:01C60E36] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:21:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CC19.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I could probably put on my 18thC stays, and the earlier ones I've made, and put photos up on the website, it may take a little bit of time, as I have been feeling trashed of late and so the website is slow to update with my stuff...Pierre can only mind read so well. Long and short, let me see what I can do. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? > kelly grant wrote: > >> >>> am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. >> >> I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, >> as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more >> tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher >> bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than >> earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > I'm not the person to do it, but someone may have the time, someday, to do > a photo essay about corseted bosom shapes through time, starting with > Tudor and going up through some of the less, er, skilled tailoring of > newer-to-historic-costuming folks where the bosom seems to be supported as > if horizontal acreage was key. > > It would probably help a lot of newer folks to know what they were aiming > for. > > cv > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:27:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIRmCa032502 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIRf5C023869; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIRFmT079532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIRFcb004482; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIRBej004440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EslRJ-00012i-Ra; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:49 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:49 -0600 Message-ID: <20051231122649.yyqvlfjcc1wks0k4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:49 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Color copies (was Re: [h-cost] Other paintings) References: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CD9D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Saragrace said: > If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on > this site that I've not seen before: > One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : > http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm There's a color copy of this one at http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* > And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! > http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm > Wish I'd known that boy! (Ahem! Did I say that outloud?) > Very cool...sure would love to see the colored ones! > I looked through my (well the libraries copy) of Renaissance Self-Portraiture and it's not in there. It's not in my copy of Campbell's Renaissance Portraits either. Neither one of those things really means anything. I've never seen that painting either -- and of my sources, those are the places where I'd expect to find it. He's alleged to have used his own face for the Mona Lisa. He's also supposed to have been the model for Donatello's David. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 13:33:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIXfdL032555 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVIXX83025319; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVIWVcZ080206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:32:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIWRZG006795; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVIWOC2006732 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-64-105-26-120.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[64.105.26.120]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005123118321811100o0jpce>; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:32:18 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:32:17 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200512311705.jBVH5gtR063827@net.indra.com> References: <200512311705.jBVH5gtR063827@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:"Casanova" (possible spoiler) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:33:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6CEFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 09:05 AM 12/31/2005, you wrote: >I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) > > ~mary Yes!! That's it exactly. And that's as good a look at the corset as any you get in the movie. You can see =very= clearly what I'm complaining about. The costume designer is Jenny Beavan, who certainly knows better. She =knows= how to make a proper corset, she's proved that countless times. So the error isn't through ignorance. The only thing I can think of is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Francesca states earlier in the film that corsets are abhorrent and terrible, and so on. Maybe by putting her in an unboned corset they were trying to reflect that character trait. But if that's the case, I wonder why they put her in a corset at all? The way they compromised (if that's what it is) looks just awful. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 14:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJUILJ001734 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJUAI7007320; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVJThkK086645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJTen0034674; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJTalF034631 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00632 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:57:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:57:27 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6DC42.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Dawn wrote: > otsisto wrote: > > > or this > > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg > > only a little more fitted in the bodice region. > > What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part > of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the hem up? Or is it something else? I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino (sable pelt, sometimes called "flea fur" modernly). I've just sent this URL off to Tawny Sherrill, who has spent many years cataloguing images of zibellini. (She has an article about them in the next volume of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, due out in the spring.) She will confirm whether I've got it right; I'm *not* an expert in reading this period's paintings. I would be very tickled if I've managed to spot one that she doesn't already have! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 14:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJqkw1002460 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:52:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVJqdGP012678; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:52:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVJqNUG089444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJqLLU046018; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVJqIJr045994 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00814 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:12 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:52:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6E187.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino ... Nope. Tawny points out that when you blow it up, you can see clearly it's fabric. I didn't see that on my browser, but when I saved and enlarged the image, I could see clearly that it loops up behind her hand, and you can see a little of the embellishment of the dress fabric in the front of hte fold. I think it's a fold of her skirt that she's lifting. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKCdQm003182 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:12:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKCVCW017130; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:12:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKBtx7091624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKBqDN055075; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKBmeX055011 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00966 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:39:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:39:39 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: <20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:12:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6E62F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > This painting > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/byswr > > is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. > It's almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently > under discussion. By George, I think you've got it. Note especially the little curl of hair in front of her left ear -- only in the b/w image, it goes down along her neck. I'll go out on a little limb here. Here's my guess at a scenario: The b/w image started as an engraving (photogravure) made for a French book in the early 1800s. The engraver used the image Susan cites as a base, but made some adjustments/embellishments based on other portraits (including the addition of the dog, jewels on the sleeves, etc.). The French book captioned the image with the French version of the name of a Renaissance artist who was at that time thought to be the artist of at least one of the prints the engraver worked from. Levi-Pisetsky picked up the engraving, and the attribution, without verification, and analyzed it as though it were an accurate original. The "a" in the attribution is a leftover preposition from the original French caption. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:13:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKDUxn003189 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:13:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKDMYV022493; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKCikY091755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKCi3r055535; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKCetw055436 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: <43B6E640.7000505@msn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:12:48 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Color copies (was Re: [h-cost] Other paintings) References: <43B6AEB0.8000309@reddawn.net> <43B6C31D.9020403@thibault.org> <20051231122649.yyqvlfjcc1wks0k4@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20051231122649.yyqvlfjcc1wks0k4@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 20:12:35.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A33ADA0:01C60E46] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:13:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6E662.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Susan B. Farmer wrote: > There's a color copy of this one at > http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html > > and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* > Ooooo! Thanks! Yes the sleeves are great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKGqbj003250 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKGjfH018066; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKGJUM092129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKGJxX057104; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVKGFPu057009 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5P3ZQANQEFTS for (sender ); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDKWDWKB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:14:49 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:12:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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My tuppence on this one is that it is a decorative, vestigial hanging sleeve. You can see something like it in Queen Elizabeth's Pelican portrait. I agree that it is fabric and not fur, but I don't think it's part of the skirt. Karen Seamstrix On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:20:10 -0600 (CST) Robin Netherton writes: > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino ... > > Nope. Tawny points out that when you blow it up, you can see clearly > it's > fabric. I didn't see that on my browser, but when I saved and > enlarged the > image, I could see clearly that it loops up behind her hand, and you > can > see a little of the embellishment of the dress fabric in the front > of hte > fold. I think it's a fold of her skirt that she's lifting. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:43:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKhIjU003921 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKhAwh024293; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKgixp094586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKgfbV068811; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:42:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53205.mail.yahoo.com (web53205.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVKgeF5068768 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69439 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2005 20:42:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N5MfQyJ5W7IiOnBVLw2p/vU6nzB0gQafgFbeVnCDhzQ21QTacOPVeAOi9TPbdnJd7QtNDb5nNop9y2Ps8t91uVdUPyKZars6qtk6qjVF8iN7ZSc1+YoFjUqQ/+Hstd51c6PXFTWdJN55J5xLy2GvI3ITd7UbmO5/5nMPHGNjeTE= ; Message-ID: <20051231204234.69437.qmail@web53205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.65.155] by web53205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:42:34 PST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:"Casanova" (possible spoiler) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6ED5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The first thing I thought of when I looked at the picture was that the actress bought into the corsets are horrible arguement and insisted on something different... because it looks like a compromise like Julie says. Just my 2 cents. Kathy Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: Yes!! That's it exactly. And that's as good a look at the corset as any you get in the movie. You can see =very= clearly what I'm complaining about. The costume designer is Jenny Beavan, who certainly knows better. She =knows= how to make a proper corset, she's proved that countless times. So the error isn't through ignorance. The only thing I can think of is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Francesca states earlier in the film that corsets are abhorrent and terrible, and so on. Maybe by putting her in an unboned corset they were trying to reflect that character trait. But if that's the case, I wonder why they put her in a corset at all? The way they compromised (if that's what it is) looks just awful. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 15:51:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKpRDh004008 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVKpJcu026269; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVKot9Y095355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKosEv072280; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVKopPX072233 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.265.3594728 (58435) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <265.3594728.30e8491f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:50:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5121 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6EF47.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got this packet from Australia two weeks before Christmas and had to put it away so I would be good and not open it before I was supposed to. My secret Santa was Sharon Nevin who sent a cross stitched beaded Christmas card (very lovely) and a hand made green velveteen pouch with gold tassels (such elegance!) and inside were (wrapped in tissue) two strands of freshwater pearls that will definitely be used to adorn something on my next Elizabethan gown. Thank you muchly Sharon! Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:08:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVL8hSU004575 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVL8ZYJ030697; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVL89Db097654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL85s7080383; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL82PP080305 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-64-105-26-120.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[64.105.26.120]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20051231210756113005vm5ne>; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:07:56 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231125325.0203c810@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:07:55 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <200512311900.jBVJ03a3020056@net.indra.com> References: <200512311900.jBVJ03a3020056@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6F353.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:00 AM 12/31/2005, you wrote: >Oh, that picture! I saw it earlier online. When Julie first >described it, it sounded like the thing was sheer! But I see what >you mean about seeing the outline of her breast. > > It definitely looks like it's made of fabric only with no boning. >Yes, Hollywood costumers know better - there are plenty of movies out >there with decent stays and corsets! > > Something exists in the 18thC called jumps - described as "lightly >boned stays", although there are lots of questions about various >extant items and what, exactly they were and who wore them when. > > Anyway, I have not seen the movie, but from the ads it seems that she >is an upper class lady? The less shaping, the lower the class, >unless of course she was relaxing at home and would not ordinarily >have been seen in public that way. > > Obviously it is shaping her somewhat. I think it's unattractive, >especially for a leading lady. > > My take on it (as an 18thC type) - that type of thing may well have >existed. She is not "properly" dressed wearing it (maybe she is not >supposed to be "proper" in that scene or she is not a "proper" sort >of character) or it's possible that it's not used correctly. > > Also Venice was it's own animal and some of the conventions of >costume we have (from predominantly English sources) don't apply. I >wonder how much research the costume designer did? > > Don't let it ruin the movie - at least she's not wearing powder blue >eyeshadow. :-) Well, for what it's worth (and this includes spoilers) the character of Francesca is definitely upper class, I think her family is supposed to be old Venetian nobility, the kind with lots of blue blood but no money. And the scene where she wears that corset is on the scaffold. She (and Casanova) have been condemned to death and this is what she's wearing/allowed to wear to her hanging. If you look at the picture, she's wearing a lovely quilted petticoat, and even the corset itself looks to be constructed accurately. Just no bones and I think the wrong kind of material (it almost has to be for it to shape itself so closely to the actress's curves). It didn't ruin the movie for me, but it did kind of yank me out of the scene. And being a costumer all I could think of was "what WAS she thinking???" (the costumer, I mean). I would really like to contact the costume designer and ask about this. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:14:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLEXlT004645 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLEQPc032240; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVL97o0097742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL96bV080840; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVL92v7080804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBVL8wuC013778 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:09:01 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6F4B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real life, but we're talking about the ideal. And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could keep covered. And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, ethnicities, yadda yadda. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLV7vY005103 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:31:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLUxjP004302; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:31:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLUdPl000219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLUbP7090776; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLUYIP090683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:30:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EsoIn-0002qO-Lp; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:30:13 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:30:13 -0600 Message-ID: <20051231153013.73cjd3wknnvos00k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:30:13 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >> This painting >> http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg >> or >> http://tinyurl.com/byswr >> >> is simply listed as "Florentine" with no specific artist attributed. >> It's almost *identical* to the painting from Rosa's book currently >> under discussion. > > By George, I think you've got it. Note especially the little curl of hair > in front of her left ear -- only in the b/w image, it goes down along her > neck. > > I'll go out on a little limb here. Here's my guess at a scenario: I think you've nailed it spot on (as my overseas friends would say). Every now and then you'll see a painter do more than one copy of a given painting that's slightly different -- Artemesia Gentilishi's "Judith with the head of Holofernes" comes to mind. You'll often see a student copy a teacher -- I've seen them, but I can't call them to mind. But this does remind me very much of the very similar copies that you can see in Braun and Schneider and some of the other Victorian books of historic costume. You can usually/frequently identify the original painting -- sometimes they are virtually identical, othertimes they've been embellished. High fives! (we need a smiley for that!) :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLjL6s005336 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLjEgl008086; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLikag001928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLiiq0097129; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f14.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLieuQ097108 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauradi7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:44:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.163.105.146] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lauradi7@hotmail.com From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:44:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 21:44:40.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[673DB6D0:01C60E53] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] "casanova" includes marked plot spoilers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6FBEA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The stays or corset or whatever it is in the picture may be foam lined, but for the rest of the movie, most of the women have the right shape for those clothes, so they are wearing something underneath that makes them smooth instead of bumpy, shall we say. We don't see much in the way of undergarments, or nudity for that matter. For an R rated movie, it's very tame, and I saw the conjecture somewhere that it's rated R because of blatant anti-Catholic sentiment. Hard to believe. plot s p o i l e r s There are parts of the movie in which the character played by Sienna Miller disguised as a man, including a glued-on mustache. Her chest is flat enough during those parts that she must have had something binding her breasts, but we don't see what. Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:47:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLl0ql005473 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:47:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLkrUS020262; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:46:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLkb2Q002122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLkaID098103; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLkWP4098050 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231214623.JVVN22847.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:46:23 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231214623.XMUV1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:46:23 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:46:30 +1300 Message-ID: <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:46:29 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:46:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6FC4D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > >>Is it laced at the back? > Hi Bjarne, > I haven't yet seen a doublet that laces up the back, doesn't mean they > didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any. My thought is that the fastening > is up centrefront, but hidden, possibly hook and eyes. There is a jerkin in the Met Museum that laces in the back. I don't know if there is a photo of the back of it, but you can clearly see that it does in the pattern (first ed. Blanche Payne's History of Costume.) I have not seen it mentioned whether it is for a man or woman, it fit me with but a few tweaks, but I don't know if that proves anything;) http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 16:57:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLvoqa005568 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVLvhDe011359; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVLvJNv003223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLvHR4003071; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVLvCVS003001 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231215707.ILBF4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:57:07 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231215706.TZN14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:57:06 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:57:13 +1300 Message-ID: <007f01c60e55$286c6800$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:57:13 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B6FED7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on > this site that I've not seen before: > One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : > http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm > And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! > http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm Yep. This is the new site of someone I link to frequently in my Frazzled Frau site: http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-29.htm http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/bilderkatalog/habsburger/abb10s.htm The new site is easier to remember for sure;) > There's a color copy of this one at > http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html > > and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* Oh yes:) I've had a copy in my book on Henry VIII for years. It's on my to do list;) There is a portrait of the middle-late 16thC in Koeln that has undersleeves just like it. Except the whole ensemble is in dusty pinky grey shades. I'm thinking I could wrangle two gowns with a pair of undersleeves;) I even have a goodly number of glass pearls for this one as well..... michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 17:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMKQmh006053 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMKIXR017610; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVMK1oi005900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMJxRu012434; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMJo4U012321 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:19:44 -0800 Message-ID: <43B7040A.5000401@msn.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 22:19:44.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DACD0C0:01C60E58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Brown Velvet Jerkin-was: Man's Doublet closure X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B70423.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ooooh Ahhhh, I didn't realize this one had metallic bobbin lace on it! Yeah! Justification! Weeeee. Sg michaela wrote: >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 17:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMObuA006115 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMOTYC018698; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVMJ5KT005831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMJ3J1012067; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jBVMIxgB012014 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 49100 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2005 22:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JUSTIN.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.63.239 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2005 22:18:53 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051231161605.0225e0d0@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:18:45 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:"Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.at t.net> References: <200512311705.jBVH5gtR063827@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20051231102713.0204b278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B7051D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Another take on the movie, is what Heath Ledger says in the first five minutes of the first clip on this page... http://movies.aol.com/movie/main.adp?tab=trailers&mid=22797 Basically, he wasn't trying to portray the character historically since the movie wasn't. I don't think they wanted to make it perfectly period. It's a problem with a lot of movies these days. They are more concerned with making a good selling film rather than an historical one. Thus, they didn't care if the corset looked, or even was, right. Sad fact about most movies these days. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 17:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMe2rh006437 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:40:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVMdt6s022807; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVMdXoE008143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMdVG2020585; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVMdSPw020542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k010HImd015832 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:17:18 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:42:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512311900.jBVJ03a3020056@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20051231125325.0203c810@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20051231125325.0203c810@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512311742.32963.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:39:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B708BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Saturday 31 December 2005 4:07 pm, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > At 11:00 AM 12/31/2005, you wrote: > >Oh, that picture! I saw it earlier online. When Julie first > >described it, it sounded like the thing was sheer! But I see what > >you mean about seeing the outline of her breast. > > > > It definitely looks like it's made of fabric only with no boning. > >Yes, Hollywood costumers know better - there are plenty of movies out > >there with decent stays and corsets! Indeed there are. But what she's wearing in the still to which the URL was provided looks like it was made of spandex to me. :-( [rest snipped] -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:12:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNC603007008 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:12:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNBwgK031272; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNBURT011452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:11:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNBRKd034019; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNBOWe033986 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:11:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <006b01c60e53$a8ac0cc0$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:11:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 23:11:23.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[849C0FE0:01C60E5F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:12:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B7103E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Very cool! thank you! You didn't actually have it on your body did you??? Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Man's Doublet closure,was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? >> >>Is it laced at the back? > >> Hi Bjarne, >> I haven't yet seen a doublet that laces up the back, doesn't mean they >> didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any. My thought is that the > fastening >> is up centrefront, but hidden, possibly hook and eyes. > > There is a jerkin in the Met Museum that laces in the back. I don't know > if > there is a photo of the back of it, but you can clearly see that it does > in > the pattern (first ed. Blanche Payne's History of Costume.) > > I have not seen it mentioned whether it is for a man or woman, it fit me > with but a few tweaks, but I don't know if that proves anything;) > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/hob_26.196.htm > > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:13:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNDtKm007047 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNDmQs017357; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNDZ3N011720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNDYbo034826; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNDUj9034767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EspuR-0000M0-T8; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:13:11 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:13:11 -0600 Message-ID: <20051231171311.plee0uahsiysks48@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:13:11 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other paintings on this site, was Man's Doublet closure References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <007f01c60e55$286c6800$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <007f01c60e55$286c6800$0401010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:13:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B710AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting michaela : >> If you have the time and patience, there are a number of paintings on >> this site that I've not seen before: >> One example (besides the one Bjarne shared) : >> http://www.kleio.org/frauen/abb17a.htm >> And if this is truely a self portrait of Leonardo....whoo hoo! >> http://www.kleio.org/leonardo/leonardo.htm > > > Yep. This is the new site of someone I link to frequently in my Frazzled > Frau site: > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/buch2-29.htm > http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/bilderkatalog/habsburger/abb10s.htm Do you know if there's a color copy of this painting around anywhere? I have the idea that the girl's dresses are red .... > > The new site is easier to remember for sure;) > >> There's a color copy of this one at >> http://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/brandon.html >> >> and isn't that beadwork on her sleeves *gorgeous* > > Oh yes:) I've had a copy in my book on Henry VIII for years. It's on my to > do list;) There is a portrait of the middle-late 16thC in Koeln that has > undersleeves just like it. Except the whole ensemble is in dusty pinky grey > shades. ooooh, Do you have a link (or search string) to that picture? I'd *love* to see it! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:17:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNHl6v007090 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNHeGG032552; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNHMt4012287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNHKUF036656; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNHGRp036546 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISD000J1Y0MOWKN@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.252]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:10 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:17:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B71194.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just sent my Secret Santa what I had around the house. I haven't even gotten to making my first Tudor Bodice or even thinking of my 6 sets of Choli's from India that I want to make. I feel inadequate compared to you - you actually made a HAT!! I haven't done anything more complex than a drawstring skirt with gores. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Maynard > made by me. I hope you like it. I feel totally inadequate > compared to the rest of the members on this list. > Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:27:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNRVQV007187 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNRO2U002490; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNLrdQ013094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNLrMY039387; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNLm3H039306 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231232143.LJCE4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:43 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231232142.ASG1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:42 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 12:21:47 +1300 Message-ID: <008901c60e60$f8987c70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153013.73cjd3wknnvos00k@www.goldsword.com> Subject: multiple copies Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B713DC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I think you've nailed it spot on (as my overseas friends would say). > Every now and then you'll see a painter do more than one copy of a > given painting that's slightly different -- Artemesia Gentilishi's > "Judith with the head of Holofernes" comes to mind. You'll often see a > student copy a teacher -- I've seen them, but I can't call them to mind. Holbein's Jane Seymour for instance;) http://www.artcyclopedia.com/commons/hans-holbein-the-younger.html (Though there is a third somewhere.) Corneille de Lyon painted a few copies of a girl. I'll see if I can hunt them all down. http://www.clevelandart.org/oci/magnify/1942/1942.48.jpg http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/gggg2165b.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/refo/hod_29.100.197.htm (though there are some larger differences bwtween this and the other two.) The Cranach family painted Hercules at the Court of Ophale several times. I have a few copies linked online, but I have found more. http://www.artunframed.com/cranach2.htm http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=468 (will resize your window) http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/gabriuscran.htm A few on Gabrius. http://www.internationalauctioneers.com/int/lot_detail.asp?LotID=207&AucID=5885 Though this is an imitator. And let's not go near the multitudinous Salomes and Judiths which were excuses to paint pretty girls (from imagination I'm sure.) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNbY9g007305 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNbQ3M005052; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNb4Kf014554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNb2je046462; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNaxjY046441 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1705889nzh for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=J5k7xlk4x0Gj2IiB/A0kugGZpjunUxTE59ZWrBUnVqAV4UnJMc5zQOVNz6BE0FJKrCqEalHl+I8vB4gs78TzHbCcUQ7/fBrLVZIpgo4pcH1nOqDlLgI3CY70ZYd/28G8cB3N94HaM7QYcQ2SFsL0Kp3enGSg1B0k2GIYe09fIwk= Received: by 10.36.221.56 with SMTP id t56mr9287504nzg; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [58.165.58.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 7sm3801581nzo.2005.12.31.15.36.57; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060101103139.0455ae18@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:36:56 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: multiple copies Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? In-Reply-To: <008901c60e60$f8987c70$0401010a@michaela> References: <20051231153013.73cjd3wknnvos00k@www.goldsword.com> <008901c60e60$f8987c70$0401010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B71636.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 10:21 AM 1/01/2006, you wrote: >Holbein's Jane Seymour for instance;) >http://www.artcyclopedia.com/commons/hans-holbein-the-younger.html >(Though there is a third somewhere.) I thought there was four? IIRC Janet Arnold in a Handbook of Costume has the different portraits side by side. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 20:53:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k011rrr2009062 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k011riAH006264; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k011r91B027802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k011r3ke005237; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k011qxwj005164 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m17.in-tch.com [216.166.191.17]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k011j1b01581 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B73628.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies? I'm not referring to the largely mythical we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset, though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same area on a woman less rounded and endowed. The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset. Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o) --Sue in foggy-drippy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time > periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments > than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce > "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a > cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). > Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather > large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real > life, but we're talking about the ideal. > > And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a > folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and > bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing > one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and > young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could > keep covered. > > And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, > ethnicities, yadda yadda. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 01:40:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k016eY6X011812 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:40:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k016eOWf007170; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k016dxmM054750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k016dt9U018140; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k016dpQV018026 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.109.43]) by tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060101063945.UUNX5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:39:45 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060101013330.00b63288@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:39:35 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Looking for a fabric store in MI X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B77959.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello, I was told there is an absolutely amazing fabric store in Bay City, Michigan. The friend who told me about it couldn't recall the store name. I was wondering if anyone on this board would be able to help me out? I'm not from Michigan, but have been considering a trip and would love to make a visit to "an amazing fabric store". Does this ring a bell for anyone and if you may know of the store could you also include an approximate location if you're able? There's such a wide expanse of knowledge on this list, I just thought it might be worth asking. Thanks so much! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 04:26:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k019Q38M021894 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:26:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k019Ps8b027371; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:25:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k019PPSl081837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k019PMjD080942; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k019PIKl080913 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0256C33A61 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:25:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:25:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 04:25:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B7A022.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is cone. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg my def. on MoaP this is not (though loud) MoaP http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/PSClaudeandPetronella/?action=v iew¤t=PC36.jpg It's when the bodice is cinched in such a way that the bosoms have no room but to pop out. http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=jmstrange&gallery_id=25 2009&image_id=11 Though these are wenches, I have seen women suppose to be nobility and looking like tarts. http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/CommercialShoot/?action=view&cu rrent=Commercial95.jpg This isn't as bad as I have seen in the past. Now I have no problem MoaPs except that it has become the belief that this was the norm for women of that century. This is not saying that the blooming bosom wasn't seen but it wasn't common. De -----Original Message----- > am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. Hi Becky, I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. Kelly/Estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 11:20:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01GKrNJ032338 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01GKict026629; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01GK8nh022136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01GK3PN040959; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn3.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01GJxnZ040875 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 798AF233FE; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Received: from [207.161.60.7] by mprdmailfe9.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:20:03 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 384cdcd8c61b9666eaf2b127c7b452e6 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060101162003.798AF233FE@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:20:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8015C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and
inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and
RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies?
I'm not referring to the largely mythical
we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st
century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have
us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed
to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid
having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset,
though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same
area on a woman less rounded and endowed.
The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was
the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from
a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset.
Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o)
--Sue in foggy-drippy Montana

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms


>
> > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan,
> > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are
> > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher
> > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than
> > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times.
>
> It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time
> periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments
> than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce
> "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a
> cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together).
> Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather
> large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real
> life, but we're talking about the ideal.
>
> And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a
> folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and
> bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing
> one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and
> young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could
> keep covered.
>
> And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions,
> ethnicities, yadda yadda.
>
> -Carol


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Another thought also is, could the English women of the 16th century been more likely to be less endowed as a general trait? I wonder sometimes if this was the reason that the corset was an okay thing for the English, while other areas of the world at that time, like the Germans were developing a soft line that allowed the curved of the bust, and is easier for the more well endowed to wear. alex Wendy wrote: The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies? I'm not referring to the largely mythical we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset, though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same area on a woman less rounded and endowed. The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset. Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o) --Sue in foggy-drippy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time > periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments > than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce > "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a > cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). > Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather > large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real > life, but we're talking about the ideal. > > And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a > folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and > bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing > one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and > young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could > keep covered. > > And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, > ethnicities, yadda yadda. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 13:09:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01I9wRe001510 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:09:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01I9nNQ025287; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:09:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01I9NBE035147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01I9IgH089464; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav2.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01FZ75Q024484 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:35:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:35:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:35:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2006 15:35:06.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[F134AAC0:01C60EE8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B81AED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > You get somebody who's well-endowed > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, >and I *can't* > avoid > having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. >In a corset, > though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when >compared to the > same > area on a woman less rounded and endowed. I can understand your point. We are a bit heavier in general, but I think it'd effect the cleavage line than anything. You are getting a shelf in you corset because it doesn't fit quite right, comercial pattern? Your modern bra is because of the same problem. Often times comercial pattern makers will scale up from the perfect sixe 12 manikin. Not many people are that perfect. Store bought bras are the same way. They don't actually make my size in bra...a 34DDD1/2, so I usually have the four boob effect, or the band moves around too much, or I alter. For your corset, try raising the front a bit. Make a mock up, too long in height from the armhole depth line up. Try it on, adjust where you want your breasts to sit, and then get someone else to mark your top of corset line. You should have a nice rounding, but no spillage/shelving. Hope that helps, and I'm not offending anyone. Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 14:17:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01JHjwS002528 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01JHbJV012733; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01JHAFN041390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01JH7G9017540; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01JH42w017472 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3EBA540A4 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (pri-nat-163-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.109.163]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7EA540A4 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060101162003.798AF233FE@mprdmxin.myway.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcYO71o0ojOzMdkPT++yxc7Biu6HGwAFySKw Message-Id: <20060101201434.73C7EA540A4@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B82AD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A few years ago I read a research study discussing the effects of diet on body shape, if I remember right it was about modern diet but touched on historic times (I might have that reversed) today's diet is much higher in fat (which we don't burn off) and women do in fact have proportionally larger breasts. I believe if you look at older standardized size charts that can be confirmed. Combine that with the numerous chemicals which we consume with estrogen-like properties and it really does seem like breasts are getting larger. Look at a bunch of 16 years old girls - twig thin and huge bustlines, my friends didn't look like that 25 years ago. One of the differences between the early American diet and the European diet was also the amount of fat (more meat being available to the average person in the U.S. in the 18th & 19th centuries). Supposedly the first generation of women raised here had larger breast than their mother's did, one generation is too fast for it to be genetic. I'll see if I can find the article so I've got citations. Beth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:20 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and
inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and
RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies?
I'm not referring to the largely mythical
we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st
century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have
us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed
to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid
having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset,
though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same
area on a woman less rounded and endowed.
The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was
the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from
a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset.
Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o)
--Sue in foggy-drippy Montana

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To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms


>
> > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan,
> > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are
> > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher
> > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than
> > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times.
>
> It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time
> periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments
> than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce
> "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a
> cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together).
> Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather
> large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real
> life, but we're talking about the ideal.
>
> And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a
> folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and
> bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing
> one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and
> young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could
> keep covered.
>
> And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions,
> ethnicities, yadda yadda.
>
> -Carol


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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 15:14:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KECbH003627 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KE397030261; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01KDcF2046790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KDXW6040846; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KDUow040831 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k01K5Vb03238 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:05:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60f10$cb631700$01bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:14:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8380B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Uh, nope. Custom-made corset (by me, and it's fair to say that I know what I'm doing with 16th century costuming, at least for myself...got recognized for it mumblety-mumble years ago with an SCA peerage). It's more the effect that proper lift and support will have on a 56G chest. I do get minor spillage (*koff*) if the outfit I'm wearing isn't properly fitted, or if I've wiggled the corset too low, but the shelf's there, regardless. There's just too much to squish flat into the proper 16th century silhouette. Or 21st century, for that matter. I'm not quite this large (thank goodness!) at a lower weight, but structurally, the ratio remains the same. No offense taken, either, over your advice. Many of us appreciate hearing about different fitting techniques! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > You get somebody who's well-endowed > > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, >and I *can't* > > avoid > > having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. >In a corset, > > though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when >compared to the > > same > > area on a woman less rounded and endowed. > > I can understand your point. We are a bit heavier in general, but I think > it'd effect the cleavage line than anything. > > You are getting a shelf in you corset because it doesn't fit quite right, > comercial pattern? Your modern bra is because of the same problem. Often > times comercial pattern makers will scale up from the perfect sixe 12 > manikin. Not many people are that perfect. Store bought bras are the same > way. They don't actually make my size in bra...a 34DDD1/2, so I usually > have the four boob effect, or the band moves around too much, or I alter. > > For your corset, try raising the front a bit. Make a mock up, too long in > height from the armhole depth line up. Try it on, adjust where you want > your breasts to sit, and then get someone else to mark your top of corset > line. You should have a nice rounding, but no spillage/shelving. > > Hope that helps, and I'm not offending anyone. > Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 15:14:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KEjDp003646 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KEbPh006031; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01KEOdC046862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KEOip041089; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KELnJ041035 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from niknjami@nouveauwest.com) Received: from c482216b (c-24-5-192-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.5.192.81]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060101201415014008jbnae>; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:14:15 +0000 From: "Nick &/or Jamie" To: Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aR066313@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:14:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8382D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne: It could be exactly as you see it - Three buttons closing it at the top, and one or two closing it at the waist. Note that the entire body of the doublet is slashed into panes. You see this quite a lot in German woodcuts of the era, and not a few English portraits - Although in both cases this kind of closure tends to appear on leather jerkins. I've actually made a jerkin in this manner. It closes with a point at the waist, and two points at the top. Works quite well. The gaps between the panes open and close to show the doublet below. Of course it is possible that in the portrait in question the doublet is mimicking this style. Since the image is in black & white it's difficult to know what the full details are. Best Guess: Either exactly what you see, or hidden hooks and eyes. Would depend on the effect trying to be achieved. Nicholas Worthington -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a .htm > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 18:59:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01Nx2wG007704 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:59:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01Nws7X023934; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01NwVSd068028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01NwRHq027544; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav7.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01NwOY5027524 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:58:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 23:58:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:58:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2006 23:58:24.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[4037DC00:01C60F2F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corset construction help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:58:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B86CBE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k01Nx2wG007704 When constructing a corset, you really have to start with a good fitting basic block. This first step is crucial to obtaining a good fit in the final dress stage. Some commercial pattern companies still carry block, or slopers in their line. Build one in cotton muslin and get it fitted, by someone else. It is essential to have someone else take your measurments and do the fittings. No matter how much experience you have, or how much education or training you have, it is physically impossible to do accurate measurements on your own body. Once you have this block, you can then begin to develope your corset pattern to fit you. Norah Waugh's "Corsets and Crinolines" and Robert Doyle's "Waisted Efforts" have good methods for determining the pattern, but you can also use the diagram of a period corset as a guide, and remove darts to achieve the desired look. If you have a large bustline, it may be necessary to carve out an 'armhole' along the top edge, and raise that top edge over the center front/bust area. It really is that easy to prevent spilling over. A good shoulder strap, well placed will add to the support needed. Tabbed corsets are much more comfortable to wear over the waist and hipline. I am willing to help anyone with corset problems. I want to help stamp out any myths about uncomfortable corsets. Properly fitted and constructed corsets are comfortable. I teach historical tailoring and cutting for the modern body. Kelly Grant Dalhousie University Costume Studies dept. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 19:46:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k020ktgo008460 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k020klo3010327; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:46:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k020kRxT072305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k020kQ15046546; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k020kNJG046485 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010200461601300ca89de>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:16 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:13 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:13 +0000 Message-Id: <010220060046.6457.43B877D5000D14AA0000193922007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:46:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B877F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I would like to thank Joanne Jones for the lovely gifts that she sent me. She gifted me with a blackwork book, black silk thread to do blackwork with (wonderful thread, Joanne!), and a paternoster (it's even made up of the colors of my device). The gift I was supposed to send out before Christmas is delayed because I took a nasty fall - luckily my right hand and wrist is improving and I have been able to work diligently to finish the holiday exchange gift. It will be sent out this week. It'll end up as a 12th Night gift instead of a Christmas gift. ;-) Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 20:25:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k021PopR008723 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:25:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k021PfCN026182; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k021O5a4075743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k021NxiK062653; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k021NtBe062619 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m77.in-tch.com [216.166.191.77]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k021Fwb18993 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:15:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c60f3c$28eccda0$4dbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010220060046.6457.43B877D5000D14AA0000193922007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:30:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B88115.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hoo-rah, my Secret Santa package arrived this weekend! Debbie from West Yorkshire sent me a lovely package (twice...it's quite the story!) with several nice skeins of naturally-dyed silk and wool embroidery threads made by a lady in Wales, a small bag of dyed merino-cross wool for my spinning, a cute little book on York, and a frame-able scroll/poster on the highlights of the history of York. Very cool, since I'm big on embroidery (and like to experiment with natural dyes), AND York is one of my favorite places in Britain. Poor Debbie had to send the package twice, because the eejits at the Royal Mail somehow misunderstood the customs declaration label AND the address label for the U.S., and sent it *back* to her (at the return address). It must have had quite the trip, because I'd managed to goof up the address info when I sent it to Dawn, so it's more than a little bit of a miracle that it made it at all! I'm going to have lots of fun spinning my dyed merino fluff at the next SCA event I attend--I have a modern wheel that I use a lot at home, but use my little dropspindle at events. ;o) --Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:27:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025RQ1I013191 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:27:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025RHFj017027; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025QY4W004274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025QT1S068707; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025QS3f068690 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1930118wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=m/Dv+IeCk5eiJOI89+m/HvG8OCfTJbQVHFpPAzTGUWe6xsODG0mYnMQw7S0jfBrBtc7LnyA9gjil49sJ/WWU1VgRcrwv8hS7uZCweJeyUCV0avDFnqTlCYQx7KTF8AfZZo7FE33vxG+iECtQ/ZuGUDgksUm1yunZfv+kbAKsWAU= Received: by 10.54.114.4 with SMTP id m4mr31722wrc; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm12832796wrl.2006.01.01.21.26.27; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <019a01c60f5d$188bfb40$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen thispainting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:27:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8B9B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >> I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest > I've >> found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of > pattern >> I'd need to make it? >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg Try www.margospatterns.com or www.reconstructinghistory.com . They'll need a little bit of fiddling, but both should work fine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:30:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025UgrD013270 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025UYX8018391; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025UJW7004744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025UJpG070412; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025UHQh070394 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1930383wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=mXpsgsXE1J5sHsDb9FEdPDxWAyZrQF6iIcTov2SoPYlp+MYeIIsUtskTO9h1vuC4VrXjTeSUef0CSOO27+mNPCOXAVKcSHz43poC87LFv6qwEoUnnH6nRi9TcmfmVFbqHU1bCudujg4aVbCAD9BaZwjs6e0sqcDkrGnHmucSvRE= Received: by 10.54.114.7 with SMTP id m7mr32041wrc; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d74sm14082927wra.2006.01.01.21.30.15; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:30:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BA7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) Frankly, I find the look very unflattering. Not alluring at all to see her breasts squished like that. Weird. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025glHt013472 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025gcKo023076; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025gIVk006363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025gG03075171; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025gF8k075161 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so99363wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=TWduqAJ03FzYaMRdjCCwETPrnkdhMODm2yVd7y69gmY72w2Jkqk2JvPLCDtSV+BER1e9HwOvTEjVanVgOFvJy22flAUnKmA8rpoBdnUIuj/0pxsA8stOzvXYeGh4vnTuXe9CJEfCj+n2MOdxF44nm3ef2lCWQNIVyLEOKOZDOOY= Received: by 10.54.89.2 with SMTP id m2mr36964wrb; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d6sm6977473wra.2006.01.01.21.42.14; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BD4E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > You get somebody who's well-endowed > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid > having a shelf. Maybe. But a shelf in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they overflow over the top of the bodice, or when the bodice is cut so low they actually fall out. Or when they push their breasts high enough that they end up higher than their armpits. I mean... with a correctly cut and sized corset, the most you'll get is a horizontal plane on top... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025kGMC013561 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025k8FJ024350; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025jtvP006751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025jtTP076555; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025jqLp076519 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1931917wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=SXXOO3XD/L31+klEnZS8/24psJI5AScjyyHbM+gpA5V9LMjvAaSksTb2URzlWItALjN5JOIrbqn/hwF7ZEQfDE5kjLo/8w+/uQ0NfiXa5sPJh9wFpJ7eUHrzfEixNXAqa0OM/NVqlPxEno+exdfAYO4YFD8IqHyg4rIqpvY1Iww= Received: by 10.54.76.4 with SMTP id y4mr41058wra; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d7sm6203727wra.2006.01.01.21.45.51; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:45:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BE20.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is > cone. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:04:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02643rF013924 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:04:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0263tL9031779; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0263ccG008489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0263ZXC083747; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0263VfM083689 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k025tYb02850 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:55:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:10:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8C24B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That would be the Truly Bad Taste (tm) part . --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > You get somebody who's well-endowed > > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid > > having a shelf. > > Maybe. But a shelf in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they > overflow over the top of the bodice, or when the bodice is cut so low they > actually fall out. Or when they push their breasts high enough that they end > up higher than their armpits. I mean... with a correctly cut and sized > corset, the most you'll get is a horizontal plane on top... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:33:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026XDno014549 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:33:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026X4uF010880; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026WAh1011545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026W5YS096269; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026W1DF096233 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E78D836208 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:32:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:33:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8C920.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I still consider this conical. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg this almost can be tubilar http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg -----Original Message----- Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:49:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026nM0E014881 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:49:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026nDMs017142; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026muhk013609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026msGf003360; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026mprC003344 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF6F83621E for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:48:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:49:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8CCE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! You do have these http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg note she is a bit hunched over. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BassanoConcert1.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/MadonnadelleRose.jpg among the working class http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk8.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk9.html The thing is that these are all "Italian". There are a rare few Landsknecht. I have a hard time finding the sort of squeezed melons on a platter in other countries until the early to mid 1600s. I think that the reason that women from the RenFaires like to wear the MoaP is because 1. they are told the myth that that is how it was worn and 2. It makes them feel a bit sexy. A note on a previous post about modern women having bigger breast and heavier weight then they did back when. I don't think that the person who wrote the article you read had a look at late 1500s "Italian" paintings. IMO De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:54:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026s5NJ014950 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:54:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026rvbV018913; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026rgCb014152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026rgZW005135; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026rdC3005120 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C9BB3F0 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISG00GOMDTBYL@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:53:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:53:33 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info museum pictures In-reply-to: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B8CDED.7000007@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8CE05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks! That helped. Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Some more info on the pictures > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Roger _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 02:45:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k027j6Gt026210 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:45:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k027ivXC006033; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k027iQxm022176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k027iNRD029699; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k027iI15029652 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c0.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.192]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4277D26285C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:44:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bossoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:45:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8D9F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Take a look at the movie : "Let them eat Cake" with French and Saunders. The big lady is laced in a beautifull 18th century corset, and it is so well done. I have always admired the costumer who made that. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 04:28:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k029S48p014674 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:28:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k029RtIx013316; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k029R9fm032795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k029R2FO070738; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k029QVkR070596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-40-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.40]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k029QTlG024097 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:26:30 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c60f7e$9bb90e10$28daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:27:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8F21B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? >I still consider this conical. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg > this almost can be tubilar > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg > I think the point Audrey is trying to make is that although the earlier tudor styles were not entirely cylindrical there was less emphasis on the small waist and large bosom that the later Elizabethan (or 18th Century) styles although much of the cone shaped appearance is an optical illusion caused by things like triangular stomachers and long points. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 09:04:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02E42ME020847 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:04:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02E3rQJ000719; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02E3Qw8064402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02E3JpN084386; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav4.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02E3E0n084323 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:03:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2006 14:03:13.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[453FFE00:01C60FA5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B932C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That and there is a huge difference in cut between the early elizabethan stays and the 18thC stays. Even the effigy stays are cut with only three pieces...the 18thC ones are cut in five or more. That seaming adds a lot to the position of the breast within the stays. Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? >> Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is >> cone. >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg > > Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really > empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late > examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size > 4 hips! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:26:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FQqXg022854 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:26:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FQh6K009723; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02FKS06084428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FKPZR024948; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FKMZ8024918 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02FCOb22633 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:12:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60fb1$02521680$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:26:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B94633.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That was my post, and I didn't read an article to come to that conclusion. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion, really, just a "toss it out there" idea, based on my own personal experience and observation. I'm aware of the paintings in which fleshier women appear (some of the Dutch ones in that same time period show the same sort of voluptuousness, too), but when you look at the nudes, it always seems to come down to an exaggeration of the sitter's hips/thighs. It's also an obsession that didn't show up everywhere, even in Europe, and certainly didn't maintain its presence in later centuries. I don't seem to recall something similar showing up at all until the lateish 19th century. I'm really trying to avoid starting some sort of hot-and-bothered, flaming thread here. It's not my business to be berating modern people for weight issues, and I wouldn't, anyways, having suffered from society's reaction to my own shape most of my life. So no value judgements. I was just wondering if the reason some of us see so many badly fitting bodices on women now is a combination of many of the women simply being larger, combined with some amount of bad taste, and a fair quantity of misinformation. I've done a lot of historical costuming over the last 2 decades (much of it for myself), and I know how many fittings of patterns and whatnot I've had to do to get the right look with my modern body. --Sue, in grey pre-dawn Montana, where it looks like our unseasonably warm weather has gone away again, alas! ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > The thing is that these are all "Italian". There are a rare few Landsknecht. > I have a hard time finding the sort of squeezed melons on a platter in other > countries until the early to mid 1600s. > I think that the reason that women from the RenFaires like to wear the MoaP > is because 1. they are told the myth that that is how it was worn and 2. It > makes them feel a bit sexy. > A note on a previous post about modern women having bigger breast and > heavier weight then they did back when. I don't think that the person who > wrote the article you read had a look at late 1500s "Italian" paintings. IMO > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:30:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FU785023642 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:30:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FTxo4011383; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:30:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02FTWCH086037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FTVPI029700; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FTP1F029645 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02FLSb23853 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:21:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:36:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:30:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B946F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I haven't seen that movie! Is it an American production, or done by another country? (I'm asking because my local video stores tend to put American drama in a "drama" section, and non-American films in a "Foreign" section.) I'm in the mood for a few costume movies ...have "Restoration" on my list, since I haven't seen that in a while. And "Dangerous Liaisons." --Sue, in a mood to watch and sew ;-D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] bossoms > Take a look at the movie : "Let them eat Cake" with French and Saunders. The > big lady is laced in a beautifull 18th century corset, and it is so well > done. I have always admired the costumer who made that. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:56:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FubXH024640 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:56:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FuSaE024452; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02Fu87G091694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02Fu43S045030; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02Fu0k3044989 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=AcNUaeiGyQgX3QBgpdiBnKewRTEAUBKzq5+hL0xz0SFM2h/6jEgWIPrnoa7lQP0i; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.198] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EtS2Q-0004gl-Tc for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01c60fb5$052780d0$c6159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bb2fac561a2c28c27b2d0161184d659c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:56:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B94D2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "Let Them Eat Cake" was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 11:14:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02GEhR2024970 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:14:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02GEZP0000629; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02GDvIU093296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02GDtpp055083; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02GDqAR055046 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02G5tb02420 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003f01c60fb8$7bffd240$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> <008c01c60fb5$052780d0$c6159b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:20:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:14:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9516B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bummer! *sigh* (sue scratches it off her list).... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms > "Let Them Eat Cake" was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of > the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer > Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. > -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 13:13:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02ID08I029854 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:13:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02ICpHt032432; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02IBmPS008170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02IBg1j027745; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02IBXAq027658 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so1830084wxc for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wf+F/NX061MFeSyc3vB4XNfXOvwAE0i9zvnH0kQeuZcd0dOwp1iylAZCWVbxrJ4FapFYr/VPelzkDnzkkc3XGJPvwZd4ISf55ivniuCeRs21uHaWm3Gdtqw3T3CG0hFsLDAFr6FC2mocndNvmUvDnrgUHj5T8Rfl0GrPJKAuo5Q= Received: by 10.70.104.3 with SMTP id b3mr12746600wxc; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601021011x440fb7d5t535d27010fc0f79e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:11:32 -0600 From: jordana robinson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k02IBXAq027658 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B96D23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! this is another plot spoiler, so... spoiler space... another reason for the weirdness of that corset may be that there were some action scenes coming up, as she and casanova make a dramatic escape from the scaffold. there may have been need for a harness or some sort of safety gear or padding underneath? (they jump from the scaffold onto a moving carriage/horses.) i was watching a sort of "behind the scenes" thing the other day, and it looked like they were doing their own stunts, but i fully admit i was only really giving close attention to heath ledger at that point :) just playing devil's advocate, as i agree it looks really ugly in that photo. i wish i were an actress in these movies -- i would be so happy to get to wear corsets and get paid for it! i loved the film, and because the plot and humor were a bit anachronistic in flavor, i expected and allowed for inaccuracies in the costuming. (there was also a dress at one point with a very 19th-century-looking back bustle thing going on, which also jarred me for a second.) i think since the film as a whole was not aiming to be a recreation of real historical events, then just giving the "look and feel" of the period is appropriate. it's just supposed to be a fun romantic comedy with pretty outfits, after all :) -jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 20:24:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031O1qU011152 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:24:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031Nrwf020604; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k031NIMk063795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031NCm5098099; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031N9FL098080 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B72A233877 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:23:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:23:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <000801c60fb1$02521680$09bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:23:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9D229.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you for reminding me of the Dutch paints, I had forgotten about them. :) Though I am bias I do not think that my post was flaming. Your statement is not the first time I have heard about comparison of weight from the Renaissance to modern. I may have assumed that you had read the article that someone told me about a few months back. I may not be a big wompin' momma but I come in a close second, so it isn't a weight issue, it's an information issue, with me. I don't think that it matters of the size of the woman but I think you are correct about poor fit, and poor information. My friend who is into fetish and historic costume corsetry once told me many of the women she encounters from RenFairs have ill-fitted corsets.(roughly 60% have the wrong century corset) She has had women come to her and ask how can she wear that corset because they wore a corset for a RenFaire and was so uncomfortable. After explaining proper fit, she would offer to either fit them with a store bought corset or make one. 99% of those who take up her offer are satisfied with the results. I hear many think that the bawdy look is the norm and rampantly crosses the classes. Many assume that the head costumer is well read in historic costuming (usually they are) there are also those that show up to the RenFaire who have copied a gown that they saw at the faire the previous year not knowing whether it is period or another person perpetuating another person's fantasy. And then there are the major pattern companies and their "Renaissance" patterns that don't help the matter. Now this is my opinion and doesn't mean that it is 100% fact. De -----Original Message----- That was my post, and I didn't read an article to come to that conclusion. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion, really, just a "toss it out there" idea, based on my own personal experience and observation. I'm aware of the paintings in which fleshier women appear (some of the Dutch ones in that same time period show the same sort of voluptuousness, too), but when you look at the nudes, it always seems to come down to an exaggeration of the sitter's hips/thighs. It's also an obsession that didn't show up everywhere, even in Europe, and certainly didn't maintain its presence in later centuries. I don't seem to recall something similar showing up at all until the lateish 19th century. I'm really trying to avoid starting some sort of hot-and-bothered, flaming thread here. It's not my business to be berating modern people for weight issues, and I wouldn't, anyways, having suffered from society's reaction to my own shape most of my life. So no value judgements. I was just wondering if the reason some of us see so many badly fitting bodices on women now is a combination of many of the women simply being larger, combined with some amount of bad taste, and a fair quantity of misinformation. I've done a lot of historical costuming over the last 2 decades (much of it for myself), and I know how many fittings of patterns and whatnot I've had to do to get the right look with my modern body. --Sue, in grey pre-dawn Montana, where it looks like our unseasonably warm weather has gone away again, alas! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 20:49:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031nPhO011691 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031nGCj010571; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k031hI97066153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031hGNE010502; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031hB4B010437 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k031ZDb15595 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:35:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c61008$048a67c0$14bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9D81C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Gack! I wasn't, really, trying to aim the "flaming" reference at you! Heavens, no. I'm sorry that wasn't clear (mea culpa!). What I was trying to say, in my clumsy/wordy fashion, was that I really didn't want this thread to degenerate into another tirade on fat Americans. We've had those on this list, unfortunately, and I'd be pretty content if they didn't occur in the future. I'm laughing at your description of a "big wompin' mama" . I qualify, although I'm more fire-plug shaped, being short and not amazonian-tall. ;o) I don't have much experience at all with RenFaires (they just don't occur in my part of the world, so what I know is all 2nd-hand), but I've seen plenty of the same sort of ill-fitting bodices and bad information occur at SCA events. Not at all familiar with the article you're mentioning--if you remember more specifics, it'd be great if you'd post them. I'd like to read it. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > Thank you for reminding me of the Dutch paints, I had forgotten about them. > :) > Though I am bias I do not think that my post was flaming. > Your statement is not the first time I have heard about comparison of weight > from the Renaissance to modern. I may have assumed that you had read the > article that someone told me about a few months back. > I may not be a big wompin' momma but I come in a close second, so it isn't a > weight issue, it's an information issue, with me. > I don't think that it matters of the size of the woman but I think you are > correct about poor fit, and poor information. > My friend who is into fetish and historic costume corsetry once told me many > of the women she encounters from RenFairs have ill-fitted corsets.(roughly > 60% have the wrong century corset) > She has had women come to her and ask how can she wear that corset because > they wore a corset for a RenFaire and was so uncomfortable. After explaining > proper fit, she would offer to either fit them with a store bought corset or > make one. 99% of those who take up her offer are satisfied with the results. > I hear many think that the bawdy look is the norm and rampantly crosses the > classes. > Many assume that the head costumer is well read in historic costuming > (usually they are) there are also those that show up to the RenFaire who > have copied a gown that they saw at the faire the previous year not knowing > whether it is period or another person perpetuating another person's > fantasy. > And then there are the major pattern companies and their "Renaissance" > patterns that don't help the matter. > Now this is my opinion and doesn't mean that it is 100% fact. > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 00:45:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k035jeDp015684 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:45:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k035jVcA019220; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k035j3Zr095664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k035isRC045679; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k035iqXe045659 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A171333A32 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:44:51 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <001101c61008$048a67c0$14bfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA0F7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Oh, okay. :) I don't recall the magazine she said it came from I just remember that what my friend relayed to me sounded like the person didn't do very good research. Also had the myth in the article about people in the Renaissance never bathing. De -----Original Message----- Gack! I wasn't, really, trying to aim the "flaming" reference at you! Heavens, no. I'm sorry that wasn't clear (mea culpa!). What I was trying to say, in my clumsy/wordy fashion, was that I really didn't want this thread to degenerate into another tirade on fat Americans. We've had those on this list, unfortunately, and I'd be pretty content if they didn't occur in the future. I'm laughing at your description of a "big wompin' mama" . I qualify, although I'm more fire-plug shaped, being short and not amazonian-tall. ;o) I don't have much experience at all with RenFaires (they just don't occur in my part of the world, so what I know is all 2nd-hand), but I've seen plenty of the same sort of ill-fitting bodices and bad information occur at SCA events. Not at all familiar with the article you're mentioning--if you remember more specifics, it'd be great if you'd post them. I'd like to read it. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 02:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k037JZkM021627 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k037JQHH001895; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k037IqGM004086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k037ImjB089971; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k037Ii49089929 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EtgRP0MQ6-0006T4; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c61036$01a189c0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ten Years! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:19:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA257E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k037JZkM021627 The Costume Gallery website's 10th year Anniversary is Jan. 6, 2006. Many, many thanks to all of you for making my dream job come true. A very heartfelt thanks to the h-costumers who have been around for all these years. You encouraged me and gave so much guidance from the very beginning. For our anniversary, I am opening up the online Library for free access from Jan. 3 - 6. You may invite your family and friends to use our Library during the free access period. The passwords are only good for our Library section of our website. These passwords will change on Jan. 7 at 12 am. The new passwords will only be available to subscribers at that time. Go to www.costumelibrary.com and click on the SUBSCRIBER LOGIN button. Library Passwords good only from Jan. 3 - 6: Login: cg2003 Password: budnan5 NOTE: Remember to use all lower case letters and no blank spaces before, after, or in-between the passwords. Blank spaces are recognized as characters and will give you an error message. It is so hard for me to believe it has been 10 years! In 1996, the website was called Historic Costume Research and the Library was all that was on the site. The growth continued with The Costume Gallery in 1997, Online Costume Ball in 1997, the Costume Classroom in 2000, A Year in Fashion series in 2000, Designer's of Their Time series in 2003, and Fashion Color Database in 2005. Many thanks again, Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume